1 00:00:02,020 --> 00:00:05,020 IF THE REGULATION OF 2 00:00:05,020 --> 00:00:05,230 ALCOHOL SALES IN INDIANA WERE 3 00:00:05,230 --> 00:00:06,130 A COCKTAIL, THE RECIPE MIGHT 4 00:00:06,130 --> 00:00:07,130 BE SOMETHING LIKE THIS -- 5 00:00:07,130 --> 00:00:08,180 COMBINE SIX SHOTS OF CALENDAR 6 00:00:08,180 --> 00:00:10,120 RESTRICTIONS, TWO JIGGERS OF 7 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:12,010 HOURLY CUTOFFS, AND A SPLASH 8 00:00:12,010 --> 00:00:12,220 OF POPULATION-BASED LICENSING 9 00:00:12,220 --> 00:00:14,020 QUOTAS. 10 00:00:14,020 --> 00:00:14,280 SHAKE PERIODICALLY, FOR 80 11 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:15,230 YEARS OR SO, THEN IGNITE AND 12 00:00:15,230 --> 00:00:18,060 SERVE FLAMING. 13 00:00:18,060 --> 00:00:19,220 HI, I'M JON SCHWANTES, AND ON 14 00:00:19,220 --> 00:00:20,280 THIS EDITION OF "INDIANA 15 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,040 LAWMAKERS," WE'LL EXAMINE THE 16 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,240 UPROAR SPARKED BY THE LATEST 17 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:24,140 PUSH TO LOOSEN AT LEAST SOME 18 00:00:24,140 --> 00:00:25,130 OF THE STATE'S 19 00:00:25,130 --> 00:00:27,050 POST-PROHIBITION CONTROLS, 20 00:00:27,050 --> 00:00:27,260 INCLUDING THE LONGSTANDING BAN 21 00:00:27,260 --> 00:00:29,150 ON SUNDAY CARRYOUT SALES. 22 00:00:29,150 --> 00:00:30,030 HERE'S WFYI NEWS ANCHOR 23 00:00:30,030 --> 00:00:30,250 CHRISTOPHER AYERS WITH THE 24 00:00:31,010 --> 00:00:34,010 BACKGROUND. 25 00:00:34,010 --> 00:00:35,150 SIX DAYS OF THE WEEK YOU'RE 26 00:00:35,150 --> 00:00:37,170 FREE TO PICK YOUR POISON. 27 00:00:37,170 --> 00:00:39,010 BUT COME THE WEE HOURS SUNDAY 28 00:00:39,010 --> 00:00:39,210 MORNING, THIS STATE'S ALL 29 00:00:39,210 --> 00:00:41,130 DRIED UP. 30 00:00:41,130 --> 00:00:42,200 INDIANA AND ITS NEIGHBOR 31 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,100 STATES ALL ENFORCED SO-CALLED 32 00:00:44,100 --> 00:00:45,160 BLUE LAWS BANNING SUNDAY 33 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:46,070 ALCOHOL SALES FOLLOWING THE 34 00:00:46,070 --> 00:00:47,290 END OF PROHIBITION. 35 00:00:47,290 --> 00:00:49,160 SLOWLY, THE OTHER STATES 36 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:50,130 LIFTED THOSE LAWS. 37 00:00:50,130 --> 00:00:51,010 INDIANA'S REMAINS ON THE 38 00:00:51,140 --> 00:00:54,140 BOOKS. 39 00:00:54,140 --> 00:00:56,080 BUT THIS YEAR COULD BE 40 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:56,260 DIFFERENT. 41 00:00:56,260 --> 00:00:59,170 HOUSE PUBLIC POLICY COMMITTEE 42 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,080 CHAIRMAN REPUBLICAN TOM DERMONDY 43 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:10,290 HAS AUTHORED A BILL THAT WOULD 44 00:01:10,290 --> 00:01:11,180 ALLOW SUNDAY SALES DURING 45 00:01:11,180 --> 00:01:12,010 LIMITED HOURS. 46 00:01:12,010 --> 00:01:12,160 IT WOULD ALSO EASE 47 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,060 RESTRICTIONS ON ITEMS LIQUOR 48 00:01:13,060 --> 00:01:13,200 STORES CAN SELL. 49 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,110 HE SAYS HIS BILL WILL AT LEAST 50 00:01:14,110 --> 00:01:15,190 GET A COMMITTEE READING. 51 00:01:15,190 --> 00:01:16,100 I SUPPORT HAVING THE DEBATE 52 00:01:16,100 --> 00:01:17,000 ONCE AND FOR ALL SO WE DON'T 53 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:17,190 KEEP BRINGING IT BACK YEAR 54 00:01:17,190 --> 00:01:18,100 AFTER, AND I THINK THE PEOPLE 55 00:01:18,100 --> 00:01:19,010 IN THE STATE ARE READY TO HAVE 56 00:01:19,010 --> 00:01:19,190 THE DEBATE AND HAVE BEEN 57 00:01:19,190 --> 00:01:20,090 ASKING ENOUGH QUESTIONS THAT 58 00:01:20,090 --> 00:01:21,000 I'VE SPENT TIME TO PREPARE AND 59 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:21,210 LOOKING FORWARD TO DISCUSSING 60 00:01:21,210 --> 00:01:22,050 IT THIS SESSION. 61 00:01:22,050 --> 00:01:22,260 INDIANA'S BAN DOESN'T COVER 62 00:01:22,260 --> 00:01:24,190 ALL CARRYOUT SALES ON SUNDAY. 63 00:01:24,190 --> 00:01:26,280 WINERIES HAVE BEEN EXEMPT 64 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,090 SINCE 1971 AND BREWERIES SINCE 65 00:01:28,090 --> 00:01:29,210 2010, BOTH EXCEPTIONS MEANT TO 66 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,280 STIMULATE TOURISM. 67 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,090 THE INDIANA CHAMBER OF 68 00:01:34,090 --> 00:01:34,280 COMMERCE SAYS IT SUPPORTS 69 00:01:35,100 --> 00:01:38,100 DERMODY'S BILL. 70 00:01:38,100 --> 00:01:39,280 CHAMBER PRESIDENT, KEVIN 71 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:40,180 BRINEGAR, SAYS AT THIS POINT 72 00:01:40,180 --> 00:01:41,160 THE ISSUE COMES DOWN TO 73 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,040 CONSUMER CONVENIENCE AND 74 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:42,280 LIFTING THE BAN MAKES SENSE. 75 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:43,230 WE THINK IT'S A COMMONSENSE 76 00:01:43,230 --> 00:01:45,270 APPROACH. 77 00:01:45,270 --> 00:01:47,010 IT BRINGS INDIANA IN LINE WITH 78 00:01:47,010 --> 00:01:48,060 THE VAST, VAST MAJORITY OF 79 00:01:48,060 --> 00:01:50,290 OTHER STATES. 80 00:01:50,290 --> 00:01:51,260 STILL, THE BILL FACES SOME 81 00:01:51,260 --> 00:01:53,040 STRONG OPPOSITION, LARGELY 82 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:53,280 FROM THE INDIANA ASSOCIATION 83 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,270 OF BEVERAGE RETAILERS AND THE 84 00:01:55,270 --> 00:01:58,100 LIQUOR STORES IT REPRESENTS. 85 00:01:58,100 --> 00:01:59,160 IT CLAIMS DERMODY'S BILL WOULD 86 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,040 HURT ITS MEMBERS-SAYING 87 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,040 PACKAGE STORES HAVE SET UP 88 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,040 BUSINESS MODELS THE WAY THE 89 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:05,000 STATE HAS MANDATED - AND HAS 90 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,140 NO CAPACITY TO CHANGE 91 00:02:06,140 --> 00:02:07,150 OVERNIGHT INTO A BIG BOX 92 00:02:07,190 --> 00:02:10,190 RETAIL MODEL SELLING DIAPERS 93 00:02:10,190 --> 00:02:12,220 AND MILK. 94 00:02:12,220 --> 00:02:13,120 DERMODY SAYS THE BILL SHOULD 95 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:14,200 GET A READING SOON. 96 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,080 BUT WHETHER IT LEAVES 97 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,080 COMMITTEE AND EVENTUALLY 98 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,030 BECOMES LAW IS-AT THIS 99 00:02:17,030 --> 00:02:19,040 POINT-ANYONE'S GUESS. 100 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,090 FOR "INDIANA LAWMAKERS", I'M 101 00:02:20,130 --> 00:02:23,130 CHRISTOPHER AYERS. 102 00:02:23,130 --> 00:02:25,130 THANKS, CHRISTOPHER. 103 00:02:25,130 --> 00:02:26,010 ACK IN A MOMENT WITH OUR 104 00:02:26,010 --> 00:02:29,000 ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION. 105 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:29,240 "INDIANA LAWMAKERS" FROM THE 106 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:05,030 DEPENDING ON WHOM YOU ASK, 107 00:03:05,030 --> 00:03:05,210 INDIANA'S BAN ON SUNDAY 108 00:03:05,210 --> 00:03:06,100 CARRYOUT SALES IS EITHER A 109 00:03:06,100 --> 00:03:06,280 BULWARK AGAINST IMPAIRED 110 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:07,190 DRIVING, UNDERAGE CONSUMPTION 111 00:03:07,190 --> 00:03:08,100 AND THE ONSLAUGHT OF FACELESS, 112 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:09,000 OUT-OF-STATE CORPORATIONS -- 113 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:09,210 OR -- A THROWBACK THAT STIFLES 114 00:03:09,210 --> 00:03:11,200 COMPETITION, LIMITS CONSUMER 115 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,180 CHOICE AND HINDERS ECONOMIC 116 00:03:12,180 --> 00:03:14,210 DEVELOPMENT. 117 00:03:14,210 --> 00:03:16,080 HERE TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE ARE 118 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,030 REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE TOM 119 00:03:18,030 --> 00:03:18,270 DERMODY OF LAPORTE, CHAIRMAN 120 00:03:19,260 --> 00:03:22,260 OF THE HOUSE PUBLIC POLICY 121 00:03:22,260 --> 00:03:23,170 COMMITTEE, REPUBLICAN SENATOR 122 00:03:23,170 --> 00:03:24,050 RON ALTING OF LAFAYETTE, 123 00:03:24,050 --> 00:03:27,030 CHAIRMAN OF THE SENATE PUBLIC 124 00:03:27,030 --> 00:03:27,220 POLICY COMMITTEE, GRANT 125 00:03:27,220 --> 00:03:28,110 MONAHAN, PRESIDENT OF THE 126 00:03:28,110 --> 00:03:29,020 INDIANA RETAIL COUNCIL, WHICH 127 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,200 REPRESENTS GROCERY, DRUG AND 128 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:33,090 CONVENIENCE STORES, AND 129 00:03:33,090 --> 00:03:34,280 PATRICK TAMM, PRESIDENT AND 130 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,190 CEO OF THE INDIANA ASSOCIATION 131 00:03:35,190 --> 00:03:36,090 OF BEVERAGE RETAILERS, WHICH 132 00:03:36,090 --> 00:03:36,280 REPRESENTS PACKAGE LIQUOR 133 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,290 STORES. 134 00:03:38,290 --> 00:03:40,100 I WOULD SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 135 00:03:40,100 --> 00:03:42,250 A SPIRITED DISCUSSION BUT THAT 136 00:03:42,250 --> 00:03:44,200 WILL ELICIT MOANS AND GROANS BUT 137 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,190 I THINK WE'LL HAVE A LIVELY 138 00:03:46,190 --> 00:03:47,010 DISCUSSION. 139 00:03:47,010 --> 00:03:48,020 LET'S LEAVE IT THERE. 140 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:50,170 TOM DERMONDY, YOU ARE, OF 141 00:03:50,170 --> 00:03:51,080 COURSE, SPONSORING LEGISLATION 142 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,230 THAT WOULD ROLL BACK OR ALTER, 143 00:03:52,230 --> 00:03:55,010 AT LEAST, THE SUNDAY 144 00:03:55,010 --> 00:03:55,130 PROHIBITION. 145 00:03:55,130 --> 00:03:56,080 WHY NOW? 146 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:57,060 WELL, I THINK IT'S TIME. 147 00:03:57,060 --> 00:03:58,250 YEAR AFTER YEAR WE'VE HAD AND 148 00:03:58,250 --> 00:04:00,170 HEARD THE DISCUSSION ARE WE 149 00:04:00,170 --> 00:04:02,200 GOING TO HAVE SUNDAY SALES OR 150 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:03,140 NOT, YOU KNOW, THE FOCUS OF THE 151 00:04:03,140 --> 00:04:05,000 LEGISLATION THIS YEAR IS THE 152 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:05,100 BUDGET. 153 00:04:05,100 --> 00:04:07,050 OUR CREATING JOBS, EDUCATION, 154 00:04:07,050 --> 00:04:09,080 BUT WITH THE MEDIA, THEY'VE 155 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,210 SEEMED TO CREATE THIS SUNDAY 156 00:04:10,210 --> 00:04:12,040 SALES EXPLOSION BUT I DO BELIEVE 157 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:13,130 IT'S TIME TO HAVE THE DEBATE, 158 00:04:13,130 --> 00:04:15,080 I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT. 159 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:16,170 SO IT'S REALLY CERTAINLY, 160 00:04:16,170 --> 00:04:17,270 THOUGH, THE FACT THAT YOUR NAME 161 00:04:17,270 --> 00:04:19,260 IS ON IT SUGGESTS THAT YOU HAVE 162 00:04:19,260 --> 00:04:21,050 MORE THAN A PASSING INTEREST IN 163 00:04:21,050 --> 00:04:22,080 THE FATE OF THE BILL. 164 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:23,280 YOU'RE NOT DOING IT JUST FOR THE 165 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:26,110 SHEER SAKE OF PUBLIC DISCOURSE, 166 00:04:26,110 --> 00:04:27,160 I PRESUME. 167 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:28,100 WELL, ACTUALLY, I'M CARRYING 168 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:29,200 IT SO THAT I CAN MAKE SURE WE 169 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,200 HAVE THE DEBATE. 170 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,230 AND, YOU KNOW, THIS BILL, WHEN 171 00:04:31,230 --> 00:04:33,160 THE FINAL LANGUAGE IS PRESENTED, 172 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,140 IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN JUST 173 00:04:35,140 --> 00:04:37,040 ABOUT SUNDAY SALES BUT THEN 174 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,210 ABOUT APPROPRIATE ARREST AS 175 00:04:39,210 --> 00:04:40,000 WELL. 176 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,290 RON ALTING, THIS IS SORT OF 177 00:04:41,290 --> 00:04:44,010 AN OLD TUNE, YOU'VE HEARD IT 178 00:04:44,010 --> 00:04:45,110 BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY 179 00:04:45,110 --> 00:04:46,260 YEARS NOW YOU'VE DECLINED TO 180 00:04:46,260 --> 00:04:48,040 HEAR SIMILAR LEGISLATION IN YOUR 181 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:48,150 COMMITTEE. 182 00:04:48,150 --> 00:04:50,150 THIS YEAR I'VE SEEN YOU QUOTED 183 00:04:50,150 --> 00:04:53,030 AS SAYING -- YOU'VE USED THE 184 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,040 WORD "CONSIDERATION," WHICH IS A 185 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:57,090 DEPARTURE FROM PAST PRACTICE. 186 00:04:57,090 --> 00:04:59,160 IS THIS THE YEAR? 187 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,170 WELL, CHAIRMAN DERMONDY HAS 188 00:05:00,170 --> 00:05:02,240 DONE A GOOD JOB, HE'S ASKED ME 189 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,270 TO REVIEW SOME OF HIS WORDING IN 190 00:05:04,270 --> 00:05:07,060 THE BILL, WE'VE WORKED A LITTLE 191 00:05:07,060 --> 00:05:08,190 BIT TOGETHER ON THAT, AND I 192 00:05:08,190 --> 00:05:10,160 THINK HE'S WORKED HARD, I THINK 193 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,120 HE'S GOT A BILL THAT'S GOING TO 194 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:13,250 BE FAIR AND SUCH A BILL THAT YOU 195 00:05:13,250 --> 00:05:16,220 HAVE BILL BOX, YOU HAVE PACKAGE 196 00:05:16,220 --> 00:05:17,160 LIQUOR STORES. 197 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,280 I MEAN, THERE'S NO SECRET I HAVE 198 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:22,270 BEEN OPPOSED TO THIS BILL IN THE 199 00:05:23,110 --> 00:05:26,110 PAST, BUT I THINK THAT THE 200 00:05:26,110 --> 00:05:27,260 SENATE MAJORITY HAS THE OPINION 201 00:05:27,260 --> 00:05:29,150 AND LEADERSHIP HAS THE OPINION, 202 00:05:29,150 --> 00:05:30,290 WITH MYSELF AS CHAIRMAN, THAT IF 203 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,040 IT DOES COME OUT OF THE HOUSE OF 204 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:34,280 REPRESENTATIVES, THE SENATE WILL 205 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:37,060 TAKE A STRONG LOOK AT GIVING A 206 00:05:37,060 --> 00:05:39,140 HEARING ON THE BILL. 207 00:05:39,140 --> 00:05:42,020 CHAIRMAN DERMONDY WILL PUT ME ON 208 00:05:42,020 --> 00:05:43,260 IT SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT 209 00:05:43,260 --> 00:05:45,110 THE SENATE WOULD TAKE A PEEK AT 210 00:05:45,110 --> 00:05:45,190 IT. 211 00:05:45,190 --> 00:05:47,020 SO THAT MEANS YOU'RE INCLINED 212 00:05:47,020 --> 00:05:48,260 TO GIVE IT A HEARING. 213 00:05:48,260 --> 00:05:49,080 YEAH. 214 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:50,000 ALL RIGHT, WELL, A LITTLE 215 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:50,230 NEWS THERE. 216 00:05:50,230 --> 00:05:52,080 I THINK THAT'S AS DEFINITIVE AS 217 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,230 YOU'VE BEEN SO WE'LL TAKE THAT 218 00:05:53,230 --> 00:05:54,290 TO THE BANK. 219 00:05:54,290 --> 00:05:57,020 GRANT MONAHAN, MUSIC TO YOUR 220 00:05:57,020 --> 00:05:57,110 EARS? 221 00:05:57,110 --> 00:05:58,070 VERY MUCH SO. 222 00:05:58,070 --> 00:05:58,170 YES. 223 00:05:58,170 --> 00:05:58,250 YES. 224 00:05:59,260 --> 00:06:02,280 WE'RE PLEASED TO HAVE THE TWO 225 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:04,250 CHAIRMEN THE PUBLIC POLICIES 226 00:06:04,250 --> 00:06:07,000 AUTHOR TO MAKE A HEARING ON THE 227 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,020 BILL IN THE SENATE. 228 00:06:08,020 --> 00:06:09,090 THE CONSUMERS ARE ANXIOUS FOR 229 00:06:09,150 --> 00:06:12,150 THE MODERNIZATION OF THIS LAW TO 230 00:06:12,150 --> 00:06:14,200 ALLOW THEM THE ABILITY TO 231 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:15,120 PURCHASE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON 232 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,040 SUNDAY WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE 233 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,290 REST OF THEIR GROCERY SHOPPING. 234 00:06:17,290 --> 00:06:19,270 THIS IS CERTAINLY A GOOD STEP IN 235 00:06:19,270 --> 00:06:20,240 THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND WE HAVE 236 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,070 A LONG WAY TO GO, WE KNOW THAT, 237 00:06:23,070 --> 00:06:24,120 BUT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE 238 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,090 PUBLIC DEBATE. 239 00:06:25,090 --> 00:06:27,060 HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE 240 00:06:27,060 --> 00:06:27,160 TIMING? 241 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,270 YOUR ORGANIZATION, OF COURSE, 242 00:06:28,270 --> 00:06:30,210 YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS IN 243 00:06:30,210 --> 00:06:32,030 SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM FOR A 244 00:06:32,030 --> 00:06:33,030 NUMBER OF YEARS. 245 00:06:33,030 --> 00:06:33,160 RIGHT. 246 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,120 BACK IN DECEMBER WE SAW THE 247 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,210 CREATION OF A NEW COALITION THAT 248 00:06:36,210 --> 00:06:37,240 YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH WITH 249 00:06:38,060 --> 00:06:41,060 HOOSIERS FOR SUNDAY SALES. 250 00:06:42,140 --> 00:06:45,140 TO ELICIT SUPPORT OR GIN UP 251 00:06:45,140 --> 00:06:45,240 SUPPORT. 252 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,060 IS THAT KIND OF THING MAKING A 253 00:06:47,290 --> 00:06:50,290 DIFFERENCE OR THE TIME HAS COME 254 00:06:50,290 --> 00:06:52,180 FORTH, MARKET FORCES HAVE 255 00:06:52,180 --> 00:06:54,090 DICTATED THIS TO BE HEARD NOW. 256 00:06:54,090 --> 00:06:55,130 I THINK THERE'S A VARIETY OF 257 00:06:55,130 --> 00:06:56,230 THINGS THAT HAVE SORT OF FALLEN 258 00:06:56,230 --> 00:06:57,170 IN PLACE. 259 00:06:57,170 --> 00:06:59,080 YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'VE BEEN 260 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:00,140 PURSUING THIS LEGISLATION SINCE 261 00:07:00,140 --> 00:07:00,230 2008. 262 00:07:00,230 --> 00:07:03,010 SINCE THAT TIME WE'VE HAD THE 263 00:07:03,010 --> 00:07:04,100 OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE 264 00:07:04,100 --> 00:07:05,140 LEGISLATORS MORE ON THIS ISSUE. 265 00:07:05,140 --> 00:07:07,130 I THINK WE'VE HELPED THEM TO 266 00:07:07,130 --> 00:07:08,130 FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE 267 00:07:08,190 --> 00:07:11,190 CHANGE THAT WE'RE SEEKING AND 268 00:07:11,190 --> 00:07:13,210 THE PUBLIC HAS WEIGHED IN AND 269 00:07:13,210 --> 00:07:15,230 THE MEDIA HAS WEIGHED IN HEAVILY 270 00:07:15,230 --> 00:07:16,290 AS YOU'VE MENTIONED AND WE'VE 271 00:07:16,290 --> 00:07:18,190 HAD THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE 272 00:07:18,190 --> 00:07:20,130 SIGNED AN ONLINE PETITION IN 273 00:07:20,130 --> 00:07:21,200 SUPPORT OF SUNDAY SALES. 274 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,080 WE GET SUPPORT EVERYWHERE WE GO. 275 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,240 AND I THINK IT IS THE TIME TO 276 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,150 FINALLY PASS LEGISLATION TO 277 00:07:29,150 --> 00:07:31,040 PERMIT SUNDAY SALES. 278 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,010 PATRICK TAMM SOMETHING TELLS 279 00:07:32,010 --> 00:07:33,210 ME YOU'RE GOING TO TALK THE 280 00:07:33,210 --> 00:07:34,240 OPPOSITE VIEW HERE. 281 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,030 I'M GUESSING YOU WOULD SAY THIS 282 00:07:36,030 --> 00:07:38,050 IS NOT THE TIME, AND WHY IS 283 00:07:38,050 --> 00:07:38,220 THAT? 284 00:07:38,220 --> 00:07:39,090 SURE. 285 00:07:39,090 --> 00:07:40,030 INDIANA, AND ALL STATES 286 00:07:40,030 --> 00:07:41,060 THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, HAVE 287 00:07:41,060 --> 00:07:42,280 REALLY CRAFTED THEIR ALCOHOL 288 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,270 REGULATIONS FOR THE 21st 289 00:07:44,270 --> 00:07:45,080 AMENDMENT. 290 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,280 INDIANA CREATED A FRAMEWORK, 291 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:49,210 ARREST AND LEGISLATION THAT 292 00:07:49,210 --> 00:07:50,240 EDUCATIONAL CREATED A BUSINESS 293 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,180 MODEL THAT CREATED PACKAGE 294 00:07:52,180 --> 00:07:54,060 STORES, PACKAGE STORES DIDN'T 295 00:07:54,060 --> 00:07:55,090 CREATE THEMSELVES AND WE'VE 296 00:07:55,090 --> 00:07:57,080 BUILT OUR BUSINESSES BASED ON 297 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:58,230 THAT FRAMEWORK AND THOSE LAWS 298 00:07:58,230 --> 00:07:59,180 AND REGULATIONS. 299 00:07:59,180 --> 00:08:00,200 WE RELIED ON THOSE. 300 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,000 WE'RE VERY RESTRICTED IN TERMS 301 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,290 OF WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO. 302 00:08:04,290 --> 00:08:05,190 THAT'S FINE. 303 00:08:05,190 --> 00:08:07,210 WE TOOK THAT BARGAIN WHEN THE 304 00:08:07,210 --> 00:08:10,040 STATE SET UP THE PACKAGE STORE 305 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:10,150 INDUSTRY. 306 00:08:10,150 --> 00:08:12,130 THIS IS AN INDUSTRY THAT CREATED 307 00:08:12,130 --> 00:08:14,070 BY LEGISLATION AND REGULATION. 308 00:08:14,070 --> 00:08:15,150 GRANT JUST TALKED ABOUT, YOU 309 00:08:16,190 --> 00:08:19,190 KNOW, TRYING TO GET CONTINUED 310 00:08:19,190 --> 00:08:19,290 SUPPORT. 311 00:08:19,290 --> 00:08:22,190 YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TOTAL 312 00:08:22,190 --> 00:08:24,190 EFFORT, FINANCE-BACKED AGAIN 313 00:08:24,190 --> 00:08:25,100 AND, AGAIN, AND AGAIN. 314 00:08:25,100 --> 00:08:26,230 THIS IS NOT A NEW EFFORT, THIS 315 00:08:26,230 --> 00:08:29,070 IS JUST A REBRAND OF WHAT 316 00:08:29,070 --> 00:08:31,130 WALMART, KROGER AND THE BIG-BOX 317 00:08:31,130 --> 00:08:32,190 GUYS ARE SPENDING MILLIONS OF 318 00:08:32,190 --> 00:08:34,280 DOLLARS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY 319 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,040 TO DEREGULATE THE SALE OF 320 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:36,140 ALCOHOL. 321 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:38,020 WE DON'T BELIEVE ALCOHOL SHOULD 322 00:08:38,020 --> 00:08:39,280 BE SOLD IN A DEREGULATED 323 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:40,100 ENVIRONMENT. 324 00:08:40,100 --> 00:08:42,130 IT SHOULD BE SOLD IN A REGULATED 325 00:08:42,130 --> 00:08:42,250 ENVIRONMENT. 326 00:08:42,250 --> 00:08:45,010 I'VE HEARD THIS SO MANY TIMES 327 00:08:45,010 --> 00:08:47,280 THAT DAVID GOLIATH COMPARISON 328 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,210 BUT I CAN NEVER TELL WHICH IS 329 00:08:50,210 --> 00:08:51,240 WHICH BECAUSE CLEARLY YOUR 330 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,050 ORGANIZATION IS LARGELY SMALL 331 00:08:53,050 --> 00:08:55,110 AND BY DEFINITION, 332 00:08:55,110 --> 00:08:55,240 INDIANA-OWNED. 333 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:56,280 YOU'RE TELLING ME WALMART'S 334 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:57,290 THE UNDERDOG? 335 00:08:57,290 --> 00:08:59,090 WELL, YOU HAVE A LOT OF 336 00:08:59,090 --> 00:09:00,220 CLOUT, YOU TRADITIONALLY HAVE 337 00:09:01,010 --> 00:09:04,010 HAD A LOT OF CLOUT, THOUGH. 338 00:09:04,010 --> 00:09:05,200 WE REPRESENT INDIANA SMALL 339 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,010 BUSINESS OWNERS WHICH BY LAW 340 00:09:07,010 --> 00:09:09,050 MUST BE INDIANA SMALL BUSINESS 341 00:09:09,050 --> 00:09:10,060 OWNERS, BY LAW REQUIRED TO BE 342 00:09:10,060 --> 00:09:10,260 INDIANA RESIDENTS. 343 00:09:10,260 --> 00:09:12,170 IF YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME 344 00:09:12,170 --> 00:09:14,020 WALMART'S THE UNDERDOG WE'RE THE 345 00:09:14,020 --> 00:09:15,170 ONLY STATE I THINK THAT WOULD 346 00:09:15,170 --> 00:09:16,040 SAY THAT. 347 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,210 I WOULD AGREE THAT -- AND 348 00:09:18,210 --> 00:09:19,090 THAT'S ABSURD. 349 00:09:19,090 --> 00:09:21,190 AND IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE 350 00:09:21,190 --> 00:09:23,260 MOST -- AGAIN, THIS SUBJECT, 351 00:09:23,260 --> 00:09:25,210 THERE'S FACTS IN THIS AND THEN 352 00:09:25,210 --> 00:09:26,200 THERE'S NONFACTS. 353 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,190 AND WHEN I WAS INTERVIEWED IN 354 00:09:28,190 --> 00:09:30,170 LAFAYETTE, INDIANA, ABOUT THE 355 00:09:30,170 --> 00:09:33,160 POWERFUL LOBBYISTS OF THE 356 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,130 PACKAGE LIQUOR STORE. 357 00:09:34,130 --> 00:09:35,280 HE'S IT. 358 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:36,200 ONE GUY. 359 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,160 DO I NEED TO TELL YOU HOW MANY 360 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,070 LOBBYISTS THAT WALMART HAS, THAT 361 00:09:41,070 --> 00:09:43,280 KROGER'S HAS, THAT BIG BOX HAS, 362 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,070 THAT CONVENIENCE STORES HAS? 363 00:09:45,070 --> 00:09:47,190 ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME THAT 364 00:09:47,190 --> 00:09:50,010 CAROL CASEY AND SOME OF THESE 365 00:09:50,010 --> 00:09:51,010 SMALL BUSINESS PEOPLE IN 366 00:09:51,010 --> 00:09:52,160 LAFAYETTE, INDIANA THAT I'VE 367 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,170 KNOWN MY WHOLE LIFE, JUST 368 00:09:54,170 --> 00:09:55,130 HARD-WORKING INDIVIDUALS ARE 369 00:09:55,130 --> 00:09:57,280 MORE POWERFUL THAN A BIG BOX, A 370 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:58,080 WALMART? 371 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,080 YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDIN' ME. 372 00:10:00,270 --> 00:10:03,270 AND THE PRESS IS ONE, MY FEELING 373 00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:06,070 IS VERY SIMPLE, THE REASON IT 374 00:10:06,070 --> 00:10:08,090 HASN'T GOTTEN A HEARING AND THE 375 00:10:08,090 --> 00:10:10,150 RECENT IT HASN'T WENT IN IS 376 00:10:10,150 --> 00:10:11,250 MAYBE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THE 377 00:10:12,010 --> 00:10:15,010 RIGHT THING. 378 00:10:15,010 --> 00:10:17,030 YOU KNOW, IT'S -- WE'RE NOT 379 00:10:17,030 --> 00:10:19,210 DOING THIS, I'M NOT DOING THIS 380 00:10:20,090 --> 00:10:23,090 FOR THE BIG-BOX STORES OR THE 381 00:10:23,090 --> 00:10:24,120 PACKAGE LIQUOR STORES. 382 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,240 THESE TWO GROUPS NEED TO BE 383 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,190 ENGAGED IN THIS ISSUE. 384 00:10:26,190 --> 00:10:28,060 AND THE SENATOR AND I ARE 385 00:10:28,060 --> 00:10:29,150 WORKING VERY CLOSELY ON IT AND I 386 00:10:29,150 --> 00:10:30,270 THINK BY THE END OF SESSION IF 387 00:10:30,270 --> 00:10:32,110 THEY'RE A LITTLE UNHAPPY, 388 00:10:32,110 --> 00:10:34,100 THEY'RE A LITTLE UNHAPPY WE 389 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:35,180 MIGHT HAVE GREAT LEGISLATION BUT 390 00:10:35,180 --> 00:10:36,270 HOOSIERS ARE TALKING TO ME, 391 00:10:36,270 --> 00:10:38,190 PEOPLE ARE TALKING TO ME SAYING 392 00:10:38,190 --> 00:10:40,290 ISN'T IT TIME TO MODERNIZE? 393 00:10:40,290 --> 00:10:42,250 WE HAVE SUNDAY SALES NOW, LET'S 394 00:10:42,250 --> 00:10:43,260 NOT KID OURSELVES. 395 00:10:43,260 --> 00:10:45,290 WE CAN GO TO A BREWERY AND 396 00:10:45,290 --> 00:10:46,100 CARRYOUT. 397 00:10:46,100 --> 00:10:49,040 YOU CAN GO TO A WINERY AND CARRY 398 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:49,120 OUT. 399 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,230 YOU CAN GO TO A RESTAURANT, 400 00:10:50,230 --> 00:10:52,030 DRINK AT A RESTAURANT AND DRIVE 401 00:10:52,030 --> 00:10:53,200 HOME AND YOU CAN GO TO A 402 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,180 STADIUM, DRINK, WATCH A GAME, 403 00:10:55,180 --> 00:10:57,030 AND DRIVE HOME, BUT YOU CAN'T GO 404 00:10:57,030 --> 00:10:58,210 AND CARRY OUT WHAT YOU CAN DO 405 00:10:58,210 --> 00:11:00,090 SIX OTHER DAYS OF THE WEEK AND 406 00:11:00,090 --> 00:11:02,250 CARRY HOME AND DRINK SAFELY. 407 00:11:02,250 --> 00:11:04,220 I KNOW YOU'VE ALL SORT OF 408 00:11:04,220 --> 00:11:05,220 ALLUDED TO THE NOTION OF THIS 409 00:11:06,190 --> 00:11:09,190 BILL EVOLVING AND MOVING, NOAJ I 410 00:11:09,190 --> 00:11:11,070 THINK SAID THE WORD COMPROMISE I 411 00:11:11,070 --> 00:11:12,180 THINK BUT THAT WAS THE STRONG 412 00:11:12,180 --> 00:11:14,020 SUGGESTION AND THERE ARE 413 00:11:14,020 --> 00:11:16,210 LIMITATIONS IN THE BILL NOW, I 414 00:11:16,210 --> 00:11:18,180 GUESS, THE HOURS AS IT STANDS 415 00:11:18,180 --> 00:11:21,160 NOW 10 A.M. TO 6 P.M. 416 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,180 I SUPPOSE THAT COULD SHIFT NOW 417 00:11:23,180 --> 00:11:25,090 BETWEEN NOW AND THE ULTIMATE 418 00:11:25,090 --> 00:11:26,270 DECISION IF THIS BILL PREVAILS 419 00:11:26,270 --> 00:11:27,270 OR NOT. 420 00:11:27,270 --> 00:11:30,150 ALSO YOU WOULD GET LIQUOR STORE 421 00:11:30,150 --> 00:11:31,290 OWNERS WHO TRADITIONAL HAVE A 422 00:11:31,290 --> 00:11:33,270 SMALL NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT THEY 423 00:11:33,270 --> 00:11:35,060 COULD SELL EXPAND THAT IN HOPES 424 00:11:35,060 --> 00:11:37,060 OF GIVING THEM OTHER PRODUCT, 425 00:11:37,060 --> 00:11:38,210 REVENUE STREAMS, IS THAT THE 426 00:11:38,210 --> 00:11:39,000 IDEA? 427 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:39,290 WELL, I'VE HEARD THAT FROM 428 00:11:39,290 --> 00:11:42,150 SOME MEMBERS AND PACKAGE LIQUOR 429 00:11:42,150 --> 00:11:43,280 STORES IN THE PAST AND IT'S BEEN 430 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,060 MADE CLEAR TO ME AND PATRICK 431 00:11:46,060 --> 00:11:47,130 WILL AGREE THAT THEY DON'T WANT 432 00:11:47,130 --> 00:11:47,270 THAT. 433 00:11:47,270 --> 00:11:48,270 FINE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT 434 00:11:48,270 --> 00:11:50,090 OUT OF THE BILL, WE'RE GOING TO 435 00:11:50,090 --> 00:11:51,220 REVIEW THE HOURS BUT I THINK THE 436 00:11:51,220 --> 00:11:53,120 OTHER IMPORTANT PART OF IT AND 437 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,230 PATRICK BRINGS UP A POINT THAT 438 00:11:54,230 --> 00:11:56,070 THEY HAVE CERTAIN REGULATIONS 439 00:11:56,070 --> 00:11:58,110 THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW TO SELL 440 00:11:58,110 --> 00:11:59,200 THE ALCOHOL, I THINK -- 441 00:11:59,230 --> 00:12:02,250 THE TRAINING OF STAFF. 442 00:12:02,250 --> 00:12:04,190 TRAINING OF WHO CAN WALK IN 443 00:12:04,190 --> 00:12:05,150 THE STORE. 444 00:12:05,150 --> 00:12:07,160 AND IT'S GREAT REACTION AND THEY 445 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,050 FOLLOW GREAT RULES. 446 00:12:08,050 --> 00:12:10,040 I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT 447 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,160 ACROSS THE BOARD, WHOEVER IS 448 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,280 CARRYING ALCOHOL AND OFFERING 449 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,010 ALCOHOL AND BE RESPONSIBLE AND 450 00:12:14,010 --> 00:12:15,070 THAT'S THE KEY POINT HERE. 451 00:12:15,070 --> 00:12:16,100 I THINK THE SUNDAY SALES IS 452 00:12:16,100 --> 00:12:18,200 GOING TO END UP BEING A SIDE 453 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,220 POINT OF THIS BILL BUT IT'S AN 454 00:12:20,220 --> 00:12:23,010 OPPORTUNITY FOR US IN INDIANA TO 455 00:12:23,010 --> 00:12:24,210 SAY, HEY, WHAT IS APPROPRIATE 456 00:12:24,210 --> 00:12:25,020 REACTION. 457 00:12:25,020 --> 00:12:26,190 PALLET TRICK TAMM, IS THERE 458 00:12:26,190 --> 00:12:28,270 NOTHING IN THERE THAT YOU FIND 459 00:12:28,270 --> 00:12:30,070 AS POTENTIAL MIDDLE GROUND? 460 00:12:30,070 --> 00:12:31,060 APPARENTLY THERE'S NOT AN 461 00:12:31,060 --> 00:12:33,210 INTEREST IN EXPANDING THE -- 462 00:12:33,210 --> 00:12:35,210 I THINK THE CHAIRMEN SUMMED 463 00:12:35,210 --> 00:12:38,000 UP OUR CONVERSATIONS PRETTY 464 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:38,120 SUCCINCTLY. 465 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,020 WE CAN'T CHANGE OUR BUSINESS 466 00:12:40,020 --> 00:12:40,180 MODEL OVERNIGHT. 467 00:12:40,180 --> 00:12:43,090 WE BY LAW, ARE NOT BE ABLE TO 468 00:12:43,090 --> 00:12:45,190 LOCATED IN UNINCORPORATED AREAS. 469 00:12:45,190 --> 00:12:48,000 WE CAN ONLY SELL 10 COMMODITY -- 470 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,070 IT'S A COMMODITY LIST, 10 TIMES 471 00:12:49,070 --> 00:12:50,140 ARE ON IT. 472 00:12:50,140 --> 00:12:51,270 WE CAN'T CHANGE OUR MODEL 473 00:12:51,270 --> 00:12:52,080 OVERNIGHT. 474 00:12:52,290 --> 00:12:55,290 WE HAVE 5,000 SQUARE FEET 475 00:12:55,290 --> 00:12:57,150 STORES, 2500 SQUARE FEET STORES, 476 00:12:57,150 --> 00:12:58,170 MAYBE LARGER HERE AND THERE. 477 00:12:58,170 --> 00:13:01,120 WHAT ARE WE GOING TO TAKE OUT OF 478 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,160 OUR STORES AND HAVE KELLOGG'S 479 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,020 CALL ON US. 480 00:13:05,020 --> 00:13:07,110 WALMART'S PUT OUT THOSE STORES 481 00:13:07,110 --> 00:13:07,210 ALREADY. 482 00:13:07,210 --> 00:13:09,020 WE'VE RELIED ON THE BILL THAT WE 483 00:13:09,020 --> 00:13:11,090 SELL ALCOHOL, THAT'S WHAT WE 484 00:13:11,090 --> 00:13:12,190 SELL. 485 00:13:12,190 --> 00:13:13,030 GRANT -- 486 00:13:13,030 --> 00:13:14,040 HOW CAN I SIT HERE AND LISTEN 487 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,070 TO THAT STUFF AND BELIEVE A 488 00:13:16,070 --> 00:13:18,290 SINGLE WORD OF IT? 489 00:13:18,290 --> 00:13:20,110 THESE LIQUOR STORE OWNERS HAVE 490 00:13:20,110 --> 00:13:22,080 BEEN HIDING BEHIND INDIANA LAW 491 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,250 FOR DECADES AND THEY CONTINUE TO 492 00:13:23,250 --> 00:13:24,230 DO SO. 493 00:13:24,230 --> 00:13:26,280 THEY SAY THEY DON'T LIKE THE 494 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,100 COMMODITY RESTRICTION, BUT THEY 495 00:13:28,100 --> 00:13:30,040 REALLY END UP DON'T WANT IT. 496 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,280 THEY SAY THEY CAN'T CHANGE THEIR 497 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:33,070 MODEL. 498 00:13:33,070 --> 00:13:34,010 YES, THEY CAN. 499 00:13:34,010 --> 00:13:35,220 RETAILING IS DYNAMIC AND IT'S 500 00:13:35,220 --> 00:13:37,070 ALWAYS CHANGING AND OUR MEMBERS 501 00:13:37,070 --> 00:13:39,220 ARE ALWAYS OUT THERE DOING 502 00:13:39,220 --> 00:13:41,040 WHATEVER THEY CAN TO SERVE THEIR 503 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,230 CUSTOMERS BETTER AND LIQUOR 504 00:13:42,230 --> 00:13:43,240 STORE OWNERS OUGHT TO BE DOING 505 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,040 THE SAME. 506 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,160 AND I THINK REPRESENTATIVE 507 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,150 DERMONDY'S BILL WILL GIVE THEM 508 00:13:48,150 --> 00:13:50,220 THAT OPPORTUNITY TO FINALLY STEP 509 00:13:50,220 --> 00:13:53,000 IN THE 21st CENTURY, SERVE THE 510 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,080 CUSTOMER, SERVE THE CUSTOMER 511 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,060 SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND I BELIEVE 512 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,020 THAT A RISING WILL SELL BOATS, 513 00:14:00,020 --> 00:14:01,200 THAT LIQUOR STORE OWNERS WILL 514 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,030 PROFIT FROM THIS IN TERMS OF 515 00:14:04,030 --> 00:14:06,290 INCREASED SALES AND INCREASED 516 00:14:06,290 --> 00:14:07,170 OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE 517 00:14:07,170 --> 00:14:09,260 CUSTOMER AS MUCH AS OUR MEMBERS 518 00:14:09,260 --> 00:14:10,050 WILL. 519 00:14:10,050 --> 00:14:12,020 RON ALL CONTINUING DO YOU 520 00:14:12,020 --> 00:14:13,290 BELIEVE EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE 521 00:14:14,290 --> 00:14:17,290 NIMBLE AND AGILE IN THIS 21st 522 00:14:17,290 --> 00:14:20,050 CENTURY ECONOMY? 523 00:14:20,050 --> 00:14:22,050 THE DEBATE AS AN ECONOMIC 524 00:14:22,050 --> 00:14:23,230 DEVELOPMENT BILL IS FALSE AND, 525 00:14:23,230 --> 00:14:25,170 AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THE FALLS 526 00:14:25,170 --> 00:14:26,110 STATEMENTS OUT THERE. 527 00:14:26,110 --> 00:14:27,280 IT MIGHT BE FOR BIG BOX, 528 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,100 OBVIOUSLY, AND IT WILL BE 529 00:14:29,100 --> 00:14:30,180 BECAUSE IT'S A BIG SHOPPING DAY 530 00:14:30,180 --> 00:14:31,060 FOR THEM. 531 00:14:31,060 --> 00:14:33,020 BUT IN TERMS OF THE STATE AND 532 00:14:33,020 --> 00:14:34,090 WHAT IT'S GOING TO BRING IN, 533 00:14:34,090 --> 00:14:36,190 I'VE BEEN A CHAIRMAN -- 534 00:14:36,190 --> 00:14:37,050 TAX -- 535 00:14:37,050 --> 00:14:38,050 I'VE BEEN AROUND. 536 00:14:38,050 --> 00:14:39,250 (OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS). 537 00:14:39,250 --> 00:14:41,230 THE QUESTION HAS ALWAYS BEEN 538 00:14:41,230 --> 00:14:43,190 WHY HASN'T THE FIRST HERE EVER 539 00:14:44,010 --> 00:14:47,010 COME TO THE CHAIRMAN MILLER, 540 00:14:47,010 --> 00:14:48,080 COORS, BUDWEISER IN ST. LOUIS 541 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,100 AND SAY WE REALLY SUPPORT SUNDAY 542 00:14:50,100 --> 00:14:50,190 SALES. 543 00:14:50,190 --> 00:14:53,020 WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO HEAR THAT 544 00:14:53,020 --> 00:14:53,110 BILL? 545 00:14:53,110 --> 00:14:54,100 THEY NEVER HAVE. 546 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:55,230 AND THE REASON THEY HAVEN'T IN 547 00:14:55,230 --> 00:14:57,010 MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM 548 00:14:57,010 --> 00:14:58,080 BECAUSE STATES THAT HAVE DONE 549 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,210 THIS, THEY SELL -- THEY SELL THE 550 00:15:00,210 --> 00:15:02,010 SAME AMOUNT IN SIX DAYS AS THEY 551 00:15:02,010 --> 00:15:04,040 DO IN SEVEN SO THE SALES DOESN'T 552 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:05,120 GO UP ANYWHERE. 553 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,240 THAT'S ONE REASON WHY YOU'VE 554 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,120 NEVER HEARD OF -- YOU'RE NOT 555 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,050 GOING TO HEAR THEM TESTIFY IN 556 00:15:11,050 --> 00:15:12,070 CHAIRMAN DERMONDY'S COMMITTEE 557 00:15:12,070 --> 00:15:13,020 NOR IN THE SENATE. 558 00:15:13,020 --> 00:15:15,140 SO IN TERMS OF IT BEING AN 559 00:15:15,140 --> 00:15:17,160 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BILL, IT'S 560 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:18,050 NOT. 561 00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:19,080 CONVENIENCE? 562 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:19,200 ABSOLUTELY. 563 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,050 AND I THINK THAT THIS IS ONE 564 00:15:21,050 --> 00:15:22,210 REASON THIS IS FINALLY GOT AS 565 00:15:22,210 --> 00:15:24,220 FAR AS IT HAS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE 566 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,000 BEEN BEATEN THE DOOR ON SO LONG 567 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,020 THAT THIS IS ECONOMIC 568 00:15:30,020 --> 00:15:30,260 DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC 569 00:15:30,260 --> 00:15:31,080 DEVELOPMENT. 570 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,140 AND MOST LEGISLATORS UNDERSTAND 571 00:15:32,140 --> 00:15:33,050 IT'S NOT. 572 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,240 BUT WHAT YOU CANNOT ARGUE IS 573 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,050 THAT IT IS CONVENIENCE. 574 00:15:38,050 --> 00:15:39,230 THAT'S WHEN THE CONSUMER IS 575 00:15:39,230 --> 00:15:41,170 SHOPPING ON SUNDAY AND IT IS 576 00:15:41,170 --> 00:15:42,280 CONVENIENT FOR THEM. 577 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,290 AND THAT'S A VALID POINT. 578 00:15:44,290 --> 00:15:46,160 IT CERTAINLY IS A VALID POINT 579 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,060 AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO 580 00:15:49,060 --> 00:15:51,020 BEAT THAT DRUM, SENATOR. 581 00:15:51,020 --> 00:15:53,040 BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU'VE GOT 582 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,280 10 -- ONE-THIRD OF THE STATE'S 583 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,180 POPULATION, A LITTLE OVER 584 00:15:56,180 --> 00:15:58,160 2 MILLION PEOPLE LIVE IN BORDER 585 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:59,280 COUNTIES THAT BORDER STATES THAT 586 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,080 PERMIT SUNDAY SALES AND THOSE 587 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,190 PEOPLE ARE CROSSING THE STATE 588 00:16:02,190 --> 00:16:04,080 LINE ON SUNDAY AND THEY'RE 589 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,070 BUYING THAT ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES 590 00:16:06,070 --> 00:16:06,240 OUT OF STATE. 591 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,240 AND WE ARGUE THAT THEY'RE 592 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:10,250 TARIKING THEIR ENTIRE SHOPPING 593 00:16:10,250 --> 00:16:12,230 LIST WITH THEM WHEN THEY DO 594 00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:13,020 THAT. 595 00:16:13,020 --> 00:16:15,210 I THINK THERE IS AN ECONOMIC 596 00:16:15,210 --> 00:16:16,170 DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT TO THIS. 597 00:16:16,170 --> 00:16:19,020 I THINK IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT WHAT 598 00:16:19,020 --> 00:16:21,150 THE STATE CAN DO TO HELP 599 00:16:21,150 --> 00:16:23,170 RETAILING CONTINUE TO GROW IN 600 00:16:23,170 --> 00:16:25,090 THIS STATE BY BRINGING THOSE 601 00:16:25,090 --> 00:16:26,120 PEOPLE BACK HOME ON SUNDAY 602 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,290 RATHER THAN FORCING THEM TO GO 603 00:16:27,290 --> 00:16:29,050 OUT OF STATE TO MAKE THEIR 604 00:16:29,050 --> 00:16:29,240 PURCHASES. 605 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,080 GRANT -- 606 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,070 THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING YOU 607 00:16:31,070 --> 00:16:33,070 SAY IS WE HAVE 92 COUNTIES, SO 608 00:16:33,070 --> 00:16:35,090 WE SHOULD DO PUBLIC POLICY BASED 609 00:16:35,090 --> 00:16:37,070 UPON THREE -- POSSIBLY THREE OR 610 00:16:37,070 --> 00:16:38,240 FOUR COUNTIES THAT IS IN OUR 611 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,140 BORDER STATES. 612 00:16:40,140 --> 00:16:42,170 GRANT, THE -- YOU TALK 613 00:16:42,170 --> 00:16:42,270 ABOUT -- 614 00:16:42,270 --> 00:16:44,230 DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 615 00:16:44,230 --> 00:16:46,200 34 BORDER COUNTIES THAT 616 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:47,200 BORDER INDIANA THAT BORDER 617 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,260 STATES THAT PERMIT SUNDAY SALES. 618 00:16:49,260 --> 00:16:51,290 AND I THINK THOSE PEOPLE ARE 619 00:16:51,290 --> 00:16:53,170 CROSSING THE STATE LINE TO 620 00:16:53,170 --> 00:16:54,050 PURCHASE ON SUNDAY. 621 00:16:54,050 --> 00:16:55,150 IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THOSE 622 00:16:55,150 --> 00:16:56,180 SALES WERE RUNNING UP IN INDIANA 623 00:16:56,180 --> 00:16:58,200 THAN IN OHIO OR MICHIGAN. 624 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,200 LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE 625 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,020 STATES. 626 00:17:00,020 --> 00:17:01,280 THEY'RE ALL LOCAL OPTION, GRANT. 627 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,020 ALL LOCAL OPTION SUNDAY SALES. 628 00:17:03,020 --> 00:17:05,090 YOU STILL HAVE DRY COUNTIES IN 629 00:17:05,090 --> 00:17:05,200 KENTUCKY. 630 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,130 YOU STILL HAVE DRY COUNTIES IN 631 00:17:07,130 --> 00:17:07,240 ILLINOIS. 632 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,130 YOU HAVE REFERENDUMS IN OHIO 633 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,240 THAT KROGER WAS JUST FOUND 634 00:17:15,180 --> 00:17:18,180 INDICTED BECAUSE YOU HAD INVALID 635 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,080 SIGNATURES SO YOU WANT TO 636 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,200 ESLOWED ALCOHOL, GRANT. 637 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,240 THEY'RE LOCAL OPTION. 638 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,030 DISCUS, LOOK AT YOUR OWN MAP, 639 00:17:28,030 --> 00:17:28,240 IT'S THERE. 640 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,120 I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE 641 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:31,180 DOING LEGISLATION FOR SOMEBODY 642 00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:32,240 OUTSIDE OF MARION COUNTY BECAUSE 643 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,240 COMING FROM NORTHERN INDIANA, WE 644 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,160 SEEM TO DO NOTHING MORE THAN 645 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,180 LEGISLATION SPECIFIC TO MARION 646 00:17:37,180 --> 00:17:37,280 COUNTY. 647 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:38,280 AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'VE 648 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,120 GOT A COUPLE PACKAGE LIQUOR 649 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:42,250 STORES THAT ARE GOING TO BE 650 00:17:42,250 --> 00:17:43,240 COMING DOWN TESTIFYING IN 651 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,120 SUPPORT OF THE BILL BECAUSE, 652 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:47,030 AGAIN, THEY HAVE SIX MILES AWAY 653 00:17:47,030 --> 00:17:48,200 NEW BUFFALO, MICHIGAN AND THESE 654 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,270 PEOPLE ARE SAYING, HEY, WE WANT 655 00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:51,100 THE PEOPLE TO STAY AT HOME, I 656 00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:53,150 AGREE WITH PATRICK THAT WE HAVE 657 00:17:53,150 --> 00:17:54,170 TO HAVE THE LEGISLATION, WE'RE 658 00:17:54,170 --> 00:17:56,170 NOT GOING TO BE IRRESPONSIBLE 659 00:17:56,170 --> 00:17:58,170 AND I BELIEVE IT'S UP TO THE 660 00:17:58,170 --> 00:18:00,180 SENATOR AND MYSELF TO MAKE SURE 661 00:18:00,180 --> 00:18:02,010 THE LEGISLATION IS APPROPRIATE 662 00:18:02,010 --> 00:18:03,220 BECAUSE I KNOW HE'S CLEAR ABOUT 663 00:18:03,220 --> 00:18:06,160 IT AND I'M CLEAR WE DON'T WANT 664 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:07,250 UNDERAGE DRINKING OR 665 00:18:07,250 --> 00:18:09,160 IRRESPONSIBLE DRINKING BUT LET'S 666 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:10,220 NOT IGNORE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 667 00:18:10,220 --> 00:18:11,250 SUNDAY SALES. 668 00:18:11,250 --> 00:18:13,170 THIS SYMPATHY A 669 00:18:13,170 --> 00:18:14,230 REPUBLICAN-DEMOCRATIC ISSUE, 670 00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:16,060 THIS IS PERFECT EVIDENCE THIS 671 00:18:16,060 --> 00:18:17,190 HAS MUCH MORE TO DO WITH 672 00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:18,260 GEOGRAPHY AND RURAL 673 00:18:18,260 --> 00:18:20,030 INVESTIGATORS URBAN AND OTHER 674 00:18:20,030 --> 00:18:21,020 SORTS OF ISSUES -- 675 00:18:21,020 --> 00:18:23,010 THERE YOU GO, DON'T DO IT FOR 676 00:18:23,010 --> 00:18:25,120 CONSUMERS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. 677 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:27,220 DO IT FOR LIQUOR STORE OWNERS 678 00:18:27,220 --> 00:18:29,070 WHO ARE IN BORDER COMMUNITIES 679 00:18:29,070 --> 00:18:30,270 WHO KNOW THEY'RE LOSING SALES 680 00:18:30,270 --> 00:18:32,010 EVERY SUNDAY. 681 00:18:32,010 --> 00:18:33,090 SO THERE YOU GO. 682 00:18:33,090 --> 00:18:35,000 THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP 683 00:18:35,130 --> 00:18:38,130 THE SMALL, INDEPENDENT LIQUOR 684 00:18:38,130 --> 00:18:40,270 STORE OWNERS THAT PAT TAMM SAYS 685 00:18:40,270 --> 00:18:42,240 HE'S CHAMPIONING, GIVE THEM AN 686 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:43,190 OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE THEIR 687 00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:44,280 SALES AND GROW ON SUNDAY. 688 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,210 LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS 689 00:18:46,210 --> 00:18:47,280 CLICHE, ANOTHER ONE THAT COMES 690 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,110 UP THAT GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T BE 691 00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:51,180 IN THE BUSINESS OF PICKING 692 00:18:51,180 --> 00:18:53,170 WINNERS AND LOSERS. 693 00:18:53,170 --> 00:18:55,060 THAT CUTS BOTH WAYS. 694 00:18:55,060 --> 00:18:57,060 IF THIS OPENED A BROADER 695 00:18:57,060 --> 00:18:58,180 CROSS-SECTION OF RETAILERS, 696 00:18:58,180 --> 00:18:59,290 PATRICK TAMM, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN 697 00:18:59,290 --> 00:19:01,100 QUOTED AS SAYING THAT'S PICKING 698 00:19:01,220 --> 00:19:04,220 A WINNER AND A LOSER, YOUR 699 00:19:04,220 --> 00:19:06,250 CLIENTS AND YOUR MEMBERS BEING 700 00:19:06,250 --> 00:19:09,220 SECONDLY LOSERS BUT ISN'T THE 701 00:19:09,220 --> 00:19:10,230 OPPOSITE TRUE TRUE? 702 00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:12,040 ISN'T THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OR 703 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,230 EXISTING STATUTE PICKING A 704 00:19:15,180 --> 00:19:18,180 WINNER IN THIS REGARD, TOO? 705 00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:20,180 I MEAN, IS AN ARGUMENT -- LET 706 00:19:20,180 --> 00:19:22,120 THE MARKET, YOU KNOW -- 707 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:23,190 YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT -- 708 00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:25,130 WE'RE SELLING ALCOHOL IN A 709 00:19:25,130 --> 00:19:26,130 REGULATED ENVIRONMENT. 710 00:19:26,130 --> 00:19:29,010 ALCOHOL'S NOT IN A FREE MARKET. 711 00:19:29,010 --> 00:19:30,290 NEVER HAS BEEN. 712 00:19:30,290 --> 00:19:32,200 SO YOU HAVE TO REALIZE WE'RE 713 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:33,200 TALKING ABOUT ALCOHOL. 714 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,010 WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 715 00:19:36,010 --> 00:19:36,120 POP-TARTS. 716 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:38,030 WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CEREAL. 717 00:19:38,030 --> 00:19:39,090 WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MILK. 718 00:19:39,090 --> 00:19:41,120 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALCOHOL. 719 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:43,130 WE'RE SELLING TOBACCO BEHIND THE 720 00:19:43,130 --> 00:19:43,240 COUNTER. 721 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,070 WE'RE SELLING COLD MEDICINE 722 00:19:45,070 --> 00:19:45,290 BEHIND THE PHARMACY. 723 00:19:45,290 --> 00:19:47,240 WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? 724 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,060 BECAUSE THOSE PRODUCTS CAN CAUSE 725 00:19:50,060 --> 00:19:51,180 SOX HARM. 726 00:19:51,180 --> 00:19:52,220 DON'T DISAGREE. 727 00:19:52,220 --> 00:19:54,240 ALCOHOL CAN CAUSE PRETTY QUICK 728 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,120 HARM, CAN END LIVES, CAN HAVE 729 00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:59,150 SOME TRAGIC IMPACT. 730 00:19:59,150 --> 00:20:01,030 LET'S REFRAME WHERE THIS IS A 731 00:20:01,030 --> 00:20:02,010 PUBLIC POLICY DECISION, HOW DO 732 00:20:02,010 --> 00:20:03,150 YOU WANT TO SELL ALCOHOL, YOU 733 00:20:03,150 --> 00:20:06,000 WANT TO SELL IT WILLY-NILLY ALL 734 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,150 OVER THE STORE LIKE WALMART DOES 735 00:20:07,220 --> 00:20:10,220 AND ALL THE BIG BOX FOLKS DO OR 736 00:20:10,250 --> 00:20:13,250 SELL IT IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER? 737 00:20:13,250 --> 00:20:16,170 GRANT IS IN A BLOOD THIRST 738 00:20:16,170 --> 00:20:17,230 SEARCH FOR PROFITS. 739 00:20:17,230 --> 00:20:19,230 WALMART WANTS TO BE A MARKET 740 00:20:19,230 --> 00:20:21,090 LEADER NATIONALLY IN THE SALES 741 00:20:21,090 --> 00:20:21,230 OF ALCOHOL. 742 00:20:21,230 --> 00:20:23,080 THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. 743 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,110 THEY DON'T REALLY CARE HOW THEY 744 00:20:24,110 --> 00:20:24,270 GET THERE. 745 00:20:24,270 --> 00:20:26,040 THEY WANT TO GET THERE. 746 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,110 SO WHAT ARE THEY DOING? 747 00:20:28,110 --> 00:20:29,140 THEY'RE SPENDING MILLIONS OF 748 00:20:29,140 --> 00:20:30,230 DOLLARS ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO 749 00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:33,170 ERODE AND DEEATING THE SALE OF 750 00:20:33,170 --> 00:20:34,020 ALCOHOL. 751 00:20:34,020 --> 00:20:35,260 OUR MEMBERS SELL ALCOHOLIC 752 00:20:35,260 --> 00:20:37,000 BEVERAGES RESPONSIBLY SIX DAYS A 753 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,290 WEEK AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE 754 00:20:39,290 --> 00:20:42,060 A.T.C.'S OWN RECORD LIQUOR STORE 755 00:20:42,060 --> 00:20:44,230 OWNERS ARE MORE LIKELY TO SELL 756 00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:47,080 TO MINORS THAN DRUG AND GROCERY 757 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,260 STORE OPERATORS ARE AND THAT'S A 758 00:20:48,260 --> 00:20:49,130 CONSISTENT FACT. 759 00:20:49,130 --> 00:20:50,290 THEY CONSTANTLY SELL MORE TO 760 00:20:51,020 --> 00:20:54,020 MINORS THAN OUR MEMBERS DO. 761 00:20:54,020 --> 00:20:55,230 (OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS). 762 00:20:55,230 --> 00:20:58,130 YOU JUST TALK ABOUT 763 00:20:58,130 --> 00:21:00,030 REGULATION ALL YOU WANT BUT THE 764 00:21:00,030 --> 00:21:02,220 FACT IS WE'VE GOT RESPONSIBLE 765 00:21:02,220 --> 00:21:04,030 CORPORATE CITIZENS WHO ARE 766 00:21:04,030 --> 00:21:05,190 OPERATING STORES WHERE PEOPLE 767 00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:06,210 WANT TO SHOP. 768 00:21:06,210 --> 00:21:08,040 BUT THE BIG BOXES, THEY 769 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,180 EMPLOY HOOSIERS. 770 00:21:09,180 --> 00:21:11,290 AND THEN ALSO PATRICK REPRESENTS 771 00:21:11,290 --> 00:21:13,130 SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, I'M A 772 00:21:13,130 --> 00:21:14,210 SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. 773 00:21:14,210 --> 00:21:15,270 I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS AND 774 00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:17,030 THEY'RE UNDER GREAT REGULATION. 775 00:21:17,030 --> 00:21:19,210 AND FROM THE A.T. C.'S 776 00:21:19,210 --> 00:21:22,060 PERSPECTIVE, HOW DIFFICULT IS IT 777 00:21:22,180 --> 00:21:25,180 TO MONITOR A BIG BOX STORE THAT 778 00:21:25,180 --> 00:21:27,120 ALLOWS UNDERAGE INDIVIDUALS IN 779 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:29,080 THERE TO DECIDE WHO'S VIOLATING 780 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,030 AND WHO'S NOT WHERE IT'S CLEAR 781 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:34,120 IN A PACKAGE CLICK LIQUOR STORE, 782 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:35,100 HEY, YOU HAVE TO BE 21. 783 00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:36,170 IT'S EASY, I BELIEVE, AND YOU 784 00:21:36,170 --> 00:21:38,090 CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE TO FIND 785 00:21:38,110 --> 00:21:41,110 THOSE VIOLATIONS IN A PACKAGE 786 00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:41,290 LIQUOR STORE. 787 00:21:41,290 --> 00:21:42,260 THE CHAIRMAN IS RIGHT. 788 00:21:42,260 --> 00:21:44,030 THE CHAIRMAN IS ALWAYS RIGHT. 789 00:21:44,030 --> 00:21:45,260 THE CHAIRMAN IS ALWAYS RIGHT. 790 00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:46,070 [LAUGHTER] 791 00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:47,230 I HOPE OUR COLLEAGUES 792 00:21:47,230 --> 00:21:48,260 UNDERSTAND THAT. 793 00:21:48,260 --> 00:21:49,070 [LAUGHTER] 794 00:21:49,070 --> 00:21:50,020 ANYONE HOW, BECAUSE WHEN YOU 795 00:21:50,020 --> 00:21:52,090 COME OUT OF A PACKAGE LIQUOR 796 00:21:52,090 --> 00:21:54,170 STORE YOU'RE ONLY CARRYING 797 00:21:54,170 --> 00:21:55,170 ALCOHOL, THERE'S NO SECRET. 798 00:21:55,170 --> 00:21:57,010 WHEN YOU COME OUT OF A BIG BOX 799 00:21:57,010 --> 00:21:59,100 THERE COULD BE MILKICS BREAD, 800 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:00,200 YATTA, YATTA, YATTA, YOU CAN'T 801 00:22:01,190 --> 00:22:04,190 STOP EVERYONE TO LET ME LOOK IN 802 00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:06,010 THEIR SACK. 803 00:22:06,010 --> 00:22:07,160 GRANT'S RIGHT IN TERMS OF THE 804 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,220 VIOLATIONS BUT EVEN IF YOU MEET 805 00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:11,160 WITH THE A.T.C. THE CHAIRMAN'S 806 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,100 EXACTLY RIGHT IT'S A MATTER OF 807 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:15,180 HOOSIER CUSTOMERS. 808 00:22:15,180 --> 00:22:16,280 WHERE JUDGE YOUNG CAME DOWN 809 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,220 ON THIS IN A COLD BEER CASE. 810 00:22:18,220 --> 00:22:20,070 SAME LINE. 811 00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:22,180 JUDGE YOUNG CALLED IT MISPLACED, 812 00:22:22,180 --> 00:22:23,000 IRRELEVANT. 813 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,280 BECAUSE WE'RE UNDER MUCH 814 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,090 STRICTER REGULATIONS, WE HAVE 815 00:22:26,090 --> 00:22:28,000 PROBABLE CAUSE COMING OUT OF OUR 816 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:28,170 STORES. 817 00:22:28,170 --> 00:22:31,030 JUDGE YOUNG, MISPLACED AND 818 00:22:31,030 --> 00:22:31,180 IRRELEVANT. 819 00:22:31,180 --> 00:22:33,070 I'M GETTING THE SIGNAL IT'S 820 00:22:33,070 --> 00:22:35,270 LAST CALL FOR US, TURN THE 821 00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:37,000 LIGHTS OFF PRETTY SOON, DIDN'T 822 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,210 GET TO LINE SALES AND MICRO 823 00:22:39,210 --> 00:22:40,020 BREWERIES. 824 00:22:40,020 --> 00:22:41,270 TIME FLIES WHEN YOU'RE TALKING 825 00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:43,270 TO SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO 826 00:22:44,060 --> 00:22:47,060 HOOSIERS ON THIS ISSUE 827 00:22:47,060 --> 00:22:47,250 AGAIN, MY GUESTS HAVE BEEN 828 00:22:47,250 --> 00:22:48,160 REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE TOM 829 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,040 DERMODY OF LAPORTE 830 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:49,270 REPUBLICAN SENATOR RON ALTING 831 00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:50,210 OF LAFAYETTE GRANT MONAHAN 832 00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:51,200 OF THE INDIANA RETAIL COUNCIL 833 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,000 AND PATRICK TAMM OF THE 834 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,020 INDIANA ASSOCIATION OF 835 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,000 BEVERAGE RETAILERS. 836 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,220 DOES FREEDOM OF RELIGION 837 00:23:00,220 --> 00:23:02,070 INCLUDE FREEDOM FROM RELIGION? 838 00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:05,230 WHEN DO MY BELIEFS TRUMP YOURS? 839 00:23:05,230 --> 00:23:08,110 ON THE NEXT INDIANA LAWMAKERS. 840 00:23:08,110 --> 00:23:09,000 TIME NOW FOR MY WEEKLY 841 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:09,290 CONVERSATION WITH ED 842 00:23:09,290 --> 00:23:11,050 FEIGENBAUM, PUBLISHER OF THE 843 00:23:11,050 --> 00:23:12,280 NEWSLETTER INDIANA LEGISLATIVE 844 00:23:13,060 --> 00:23:16,060 INSIGHT 845 00:23:16,060 --> 00:23:18,040 ED, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS 846 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,140 DEBATE? 847 00:23:18,140 --> 00:23:19,100 I DON'T THINK THIS IS A 848 00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:20,090 CONVERSATION, I THINK WE OUGHT 849 00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:22,280 TO CALL IT HAPPY HOUR HERE. 850 00:23:23,090 --> 00:23:26,090 WE SAW SOME VERY INTERESTING 851 00:23:26,090 --> 00:23:27,010 INTERCHANGE OBVIOUSLY DURING THE 852 00:23:27,010 --> 00:23:28,040 ROUND TABLE BUT I THINK WHAT YOU 853 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,100 NEED TO DO IS STEP BACK AND LOOK 854 00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:31,280 AT WHERE WE'D BE IF WE WERE 855 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,010 STARTING FROM SCRATCH. 856 00:23:33,010 --> 00:23:34,010 NOW, OBVIOUSLY, THE LEGISLATURE 857 00:23:34,010 --> 00:23:35,270 CAN'T DO THAT BUT I THINK 858 00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:37,090 EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT IF WE 859 00:23:37,090 --> 00:23:39,060 WERE SETTING UP A REGULATORY 860 00:23:39,060 --> 00:23:41,090 SYSTEM TODAY, IT WOULD NOT LOOK 861 00:23:42,010 --> 00:23:45,010 ANYTHING LIKE WHAT WE HAVE 862 00:23:45,010 --> 00:23:47,020 TODAY, WHAT IT'S EVOLVED INTO, 863 00:23:47,020 --> 00:23:49,160 WHAT IT STARTED OUT AS, YOU 864 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,150 KNOW, JUST AFTER THE PROHIBITION 865 00:23:51,150 --> 00:23:52,210 AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE 866 00:23:52,210 --> 00:23:54,060 IN THE BACK OF THEIR MINDS THAT 867 00:23:54,060 --> 00:23:55,170 GIVEN THAT WE WOULDN'T DO IT 868 00:23:55,170 --> 00:23:57,140 TODAY IF WE WERE TO START OUT 869 00:23:57,140 --> 00:23:59,000 AGAIN TODAY, THAT MAYBE IT IS 870 00:23:59,180 --> 00:24:02,200 TIME FOR SOME CHANGES. 871 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,140 BUT WE VOTE AS A STATE, 872 00:24:04,140 --> 00:24:06,140 HAMSTRUNG IS A LOADED WORD, BY 873 00:24:06,140 --> 00:24:07,180 HISTORY SOME WOULD SAY THAT'S 874 00:24:07,180 --> 00:24:09,050 GOOD POLICY BUT CLEARLY HISTORY 875 00:24:09,050 --> 00:24:11,020 BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN A 876 00:24:11,020 --> 00:24:12,230 VACUUM WILL HELP SHAPE THIS 877 00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:13,290 DEBATE MOVING FORWARD? 878 00:24:13,290 --> 00:24:15,230 SURE, AND SO WILL -- WE'LL 879 00:24:15,230 --> 00:24:17,190 PUT OUR CONCEPT OF WHAT THE 880 00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:18,290 FUTURE OUGHT TO BE. 881 00:24:18,290 --> 00:24:20,250 AND THERE ARE A BUNCH OF OTHER 882 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,280 ITEMS UNDER THAT REBRICK WITH 883 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,100 RESPECT TO ALCOHOL ARREST AS 884 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:26,190 WELL. 885 00:24:26,190 --> 00:24:28,160 DIVE IN WITH THOSE, WE WANT, 886 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,270 OF COURSE WINE SHIPMENTS. 887 00:24:29,270 --> 00:24:32,120 SURE THE DIRECT-TO-CONSUMER 888 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,070 WINE SHIPMENT THING, THE 889 00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:37,070 REQUIREMENT TO HAVE FACE-TO-FACE 890 00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:37,170 CONTACT. 891 00:24:38,190 --> 00:24:41,190 AGAIN, MAYBE A BIT ANACHRONISTIC 892 00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:44,010 WE WOULDN'T TODAY IF WE WOULD 893 00:24:44,010 --> 00:24:46,010 START FROM SCRATCH REGULATING. 894 00:24:46,010 --> 00:24:48,010 THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE 895 00:24:48,010 --> 00:24:50,040 EVEN OVER THE PAST DECADE WITH 896 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,070 RESPECT TO THE SMALL CRAFT 897 00:24:51,070 --> 00:24:52,160 BREWERIES AND THE LIMITS THAT 898 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,200 WERE IMPOSED ON THEM THAT WE 899 00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:57,260 MIGHT NOT DO IF WE STARTED AGAIN 900 00:24:57,260 --> 00:24:59,240 FROM SCRATCH TODAY. 901 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,060 BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'VE GOT 902 00:25:01,060 --> 00:25:04,060 A SYSTEM, YOU'VE GOT A RUBRIC, 903 00:25:04,060 --> 00:25:07,000 YOU'VE GOT A FRAMEWORK, AS 904 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,130 PATRICK TAMM POINTED OUT, THAT 905 00:25:08,130 --> 00:25:09,130 HAS WORKED FOR THE STATE FOR SO 906 00:25:09,130 --> 00:25:11,090 LONG AND IF YOU START MAKING 907 00:25:11,090 --> 00:25:12,210 SOME SMALL CHANGES, LIKE, FOR 908 00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:14,010 EXAMPLE, BUMPING UP THE CAP FOR 909 00:25:14,010 --> 00:25:15,190 THE SMALL BREWERIES, THEN YOU 910 00:25:15,290 --> 00:25:18,290 RUN UP AGAINST SOME OF THE OTHER 911 00:25:18,290 --> 00:25:21,230 SYSTEMS LIKE THE THREE-TIER 912 00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:22,260 DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM WHICH IS 913 00:25:22,260 --> 00:25:23,270 IMPORTANT NOT ONLY IN INDIANA 914 00:25:23,270 --> 00:25:25,270 BUT ACROSS -- 915 00:25:25,270 --> 00:25:28,050 CONSTERNATION OF THE INDIANA 916 00:25:28,050 --> 00:25:31,050 LIQUOR LAWS, TO SOME EXTENT. 917 00:25:31,050 --> 00:25:31,200 ABSOLUTELY. 918 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,140 THEN YOU BRING IN ALL FORMS OF 919 00:25:34,140 --> 00:25:35,180 REGULATION AND WE'RE LOOKING AT 920 00:25:35,180 --> 00:25:37,040 THESE KINDS OF THINGS WITH 921 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:37,290 RESPECT TO OTHER AREAS LIKE WHEN 922 00:25:37,290 --> 00:25:39,230 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AUTO SALES, 923 00:25:39,230 --> 00:25:41,010 FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE 924 00:25:41,010 --> 00:25:43,080 REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE A CAR 925 00:25:43,270 --> 00:25:46,270 DEALER BE OR YOUR DIRECTOR AS 926 00:25:46,270 --> 00:25:48,100 OPPOSED TO DIRECT CONSUMER CAR 927 00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:48,190 SALES. 928 00:25:48,190 --> 00:25:49,080 INTERESTING STUFF. 929 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,160 WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS, 930 00:25:50,190 --> 00:25:53,190 AGAIN, THIS SEASON, I AM SURE. 931 00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:55,290 LOTS ON TAP. 932 00:25:55,290 --> 00:25:57,120 ED, THANK YOU, AS ALWAYS FOR 933 00:26:09,170 --> 00:26:12,170 YOUR INSIGHT 934 00:26:12,170 --> 00:26:13,280 WELL, THAT CONCLUDES 935 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,180 ANOTHER EDITION OF "INDIANA 936 00:26:14,180 --> 00:26:15,000 LAWMAKERS". 937 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:15,200 I'M JON SCHWANTES, AND, ON 938 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,100 BEHALF OF WFYI PUBLIC MEDIA 939 00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:16,260 AND INDIANA'S OTHER 940 00:26:16,260 --> 00:26:17,170 PUBLIC-BROADCASTING STATIONS, 941 00:26:17,170 --> 00:26:18,090 I THANK YOU FOR JOINING US 942 00:26:18,090 --> 00:26:19,280 AND I INVITE YOU TO VISIT 943 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,180 WFYI.org. 944 00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:24,020 UNTIL NEXT WEEK TAKE CARE