1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,200 WHAT'S SHAPING UP TO BE ONE 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:07,240 OF THE MOST DIVISIVE ISSUES OF 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:08,230 THE 2015 GENERAL ASSEMBLY WASN'T 4 00:00:10,140 --> 00:00:13,140 EVEN ON THE RADAR WHEN THE 5 00:00:13,140 --> 00:00:14,120 SESSION BEGAN BACK IN JANUARY. 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,290 INDIANA'S SO-CALLED "COMMON 7 00:00:15,290 --> 00:00:17,120 CONSTRUCTION WAGE" HAS BEEN 8 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:18,150 AROUND, IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER, 9 00:00:18,150 --> 00:00:19,070 SINCE 1935, SO THE EFFORT TO DO 10 00:00:19,070 --> 00:00:20,220 AWAY WITH IT CAME AS A SURPRISE 11 00:00:20,220 --> 00:00:21,130 TO GROUPS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE 12 00:00:21,130 --> 00:00:23,080 ISSUE. 13 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:24,220 HI, I'M JON SCHWANTES, AND ON 14 00:00:24,220 --> 00:00:26,200 THIS EDITION OF "INDIANA 15 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,120 LAWMAKERS," WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO 16 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:28,100 BRING YOU UP TO SPEED ON THE 17 00:00:28,100 --> 00:00:29,160 RAPIDLY UNFOLDING DISPUTE. 18 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,000 HERE'S JILL SHERIDAN OF WFYI 19 00:00:33,060 --> 00:00:36,060 NEWS WITH ADDITIONAL DETAILS. 20 00:00:36,060 --> 00:00:37,250 THE RIGHT TO WORK PROPOSAL 21 00:00:39,060 --> 00:00:42,060 ROCKED THE INDIANA STATEHOUSE IN 22 00:00:42,060 --> 00:00:42,280 2011, WHEN THOUSANDS OF UNION 23 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:43,240 WORKERS DESCENDED HERE AND 24 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:44,160 DEMOCRATS WALKED OUT FOR OVER A 25 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:45,140 MONTH. 26 00:00:45,140 --> 00:00:46,280 THIS SESSION THE DEBATE OVER A 27 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,180 MEASURE THAT COULD AFFECT 28 00:00:47,180 --> 00:00:48,090 SKILLED WORKERS IN INDIANA IS 29 00:00:48,090 --> 00:00:49,280 JUST HEATING UP. 30 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,240 INDIANA'S COMMON CONSTRUCTION 31 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,160 WAGE, ALSO KNOWN AS A PREVAILING 32 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:54,270 WAGE, SETS PAY RATES FOR PUBLIC 33 00:00:54,270 --> 00:00:57,210 WORKS PROJECTS COSTING OVER 34 00:00:57,210 --> 00:00:58,270 $350,000, INCLUDING JOBS LIKE 35 00:00:58,270 --> 00:01:01,170 SCHOOLS AND ROADS. 36 00:01:01,170 --> 00:01:02,210 A COUNTY COMMITTEE SETS THE 37 00:01:02,210 --> 00:01:03,200 WAGES BASED ON PAST JOBS AND 38 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:04,110 WHAT OTHER SKILLED WORKERS IN 39 00:01:05,260 --> 00:01:08,260 THE AREA ARE MAKING. 40 00:01:08,260 --> 00:01:09,230 HOUSE BILL 1019 WOULD REPEAL THE 41 00:01:09,230 --> 00:01:11,020 80-YEAR-OLD COMMON CONSTRUCTION 42 00:01:11,020 --> 00:01:11,240 WAGE LAW, A MOVE THAT OPPONENTS 43 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:12,130 SAY WILL HURT THE HOOSIER 44 00:01:12,130 --> 00:01:14,240 CONSTRUCTION MARKET. 45 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,020 PAUL NYSEWANDER, INDIANA MASON 46 00:01:16,020 --> 00:01:17,270 CONTRACTORS ASSOCIATION, 47 00:01:17,270 --> 00:01:19,050 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, SAYS THE 48 00:01:19,050 --> 00:01:19,250 CURRENT LAW IS GOOD FOR THE 49 00:01:19,250 --> 00:01:22,210 HOOSIER STATE. 50 00:01:22,210 --> 00:01:24,080 STUDIES SHOW THAT STATES WITH 51 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,190 A COMMON CONSTRUCTION WAGE LAW 52 00:01:26,190 --> 00:01:29,190 HAVE MORE OF THEIR WORK 53 00:01:29,190 --> 00:01:30,060 COMPLETED BY IN-STATE 54 00:01:32,030 --> 00:01:35,030 CONTRACTORS. 55 00:01:35,030 --> 00:01:36,290 THAN OTHER STATES WITHOUT A 56 00:01:36,290 --> 00:01:38,060 CONSTRUCTION WAGE LAW. 57 00:01:38,060 --> 00:01:39,030 IN OTHER WORDS IF THIS LAW IS 58 00:01:39,030 --> 00:01:39,230 REPEALED, WE'RE GOING TO SEE 59 00:01:39,230 --> 00:01:40,130 INDIANA TAX DOLLARS PAID TO 60 00:01:40,130 --> 00:01:41,040 OUT-OF-STATE CONTRACTORS TO DO 61 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:41,250 INDIANA JOBS, AND THAT'S JUST 62 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,000 NOT RIGHT. 63 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,150 1019 COULD SAVE TAXPAYERS UP TO 64 00:01:48,150 --> 00:01:49,050 SUPPORTERS SAY HOUSE BILL 65 00:01:49,050 --> 00:01:49,270 1019 COULD SAVE TAXPAYERS UP TO 66 00:01:49,270 --> 00:01:50,180 20% ON STATE-FUNDED PROJECTS, 67 00:01:50,180 --> 00:01:51,080 BUT OPPONENTS SAY THAT'S NOT 68 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,000 POSSIBLE BECAUSE LABOR MAKES UP 69 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,060 ONLY A QUARTER OF OVERALL COSTS. 70 00:01:53,060 --> 00:01:54,050 BUT, J.R. GAYLOR, PRESIDENT OF 71 00:01:54,050 --> 00:01:55,110 ASSOCIATED BUILDERS AND 72 00:01:55,110 --> 00:01:56,180 CONTRACTORS OF INDIANA SAYS THE 73 00:01:56,180 --> 00:01:58,040 SAVINGS ARE STILL ENOUGH TO 74 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,040 JUSTIFY A REPEAL. 75 00:02:04,250 --> 00:02:07,250 WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE TO PAY 76 00:02:07,250 --> 00:02:08,160 AN ARBITRARY PREMIUM WHEN, IN 77 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,180 FACT, THE BUILDING IS BUILT, 78 00:02:09,180 --> 00:02:10,110 JUST LIKE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, 79 00:02:12,210 --> 00:02:15,210 WITH TRAINED PEOPLE, SAFE 80 00:02:15,210 --> 00:02:16,130 PEOPLE, BONDING, BUT YET THERE'S 81 00:02:16,130 --> 00:02:17,040 THIS PREMIUM OF COSTS ADDED TO 82 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:17,180 THESE PROJECTS. 83 00:02:17,180 --> 00:02:18,090 SO THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE 84 00:02:18,090 --> 00:02:18,290 THINK NEEDS TO BE REPEALED. 85 00:02:18,290 --> 00:02:19,270 THOUGH THE ISSUE MAY NOT BE 86 00:02:19,270 --> 00:02:21,150 AS VOLATILE AS RIGHT TO WORK, 87 00:02:21,150 --> 00:02:22,070 MORE UNION PROTESTS COULD BE IN 88 00:02:22,070 --> 00:02:22,280 STORE BEFORE THE SESSION WRAPS 89 00:02:23,260 --> 00:02:26,260 UP. 90 00:02:26,260 --> 00:02:29,050 THE COMMON CONSTRUCTION WAGE 91 00:02:29,050 --> 00:02:32,020 BILL PASSED THE HOUSE LAST 92 00:02:32,020 --> 00:02:32,220 MONTH AND WAS REFERRED TO A 93 00:02:32,220 --> 00:02:33,070 SENATE COMMITTEE. 94 00:02:33,070 --> 00:02:33,250 A HEARING HAS YET TO BE 95 00:02:33,250 --> 00:02:34,060 SCHEDULED. 96 00:02:34,060 --> 00:02:34,260 FOR "INDIANA LAWMAKERS," I'M 97 00:02:34,260 --> 00:02:35,090 JILL SHERIDAN. 98 00:02:35,090 --> 00:02:35,250 THANKS, JILL. 99 00:02:35,250 --> 00:02:36,190 BACK IN A MOMENT WITH OUR WEEKLY 100 00:02:36,190 --> 00:02:39,040 ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION. 101 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,140 "INDIANA LAWMAKERS" FROM THE 102 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:09,240 THE CONCEPT OF REQUIRING 103 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:10,150 CONTRACTORS TO PAY LOCALLY SET 104 00:03:10,150 --> 00:03:11,240 WAGES FOR WORK DONE ON PUBLIC 105 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,190 PROJECTS IS WELL ESTABLISHED. 106 00:03:13,190 --> 00:03:15,250 CONGRESS EMBRACED THE APPROACH 107 00:03:15,250 --> 00:03:18,030 IN 1931 WITH THE PASSAGE OF THE 108 00:03:18,030 --> 00:03:20,060 DAVIS-BACON ACT, AND, BY THE 109 00:03:20,060 --> 00:03:21,100 LATE 1970S, ALL BUT A HANDFUL OF 110 00:03:22,130 --> 00:03:25,130 STATES HAD ADOPTED SIMILAR 111 00:03:25,130 --> 00:03:26,060 MEASURES -- SOMETIMES REFERRED 112 00:03:26,060 --> 00:03:28,130 TO AS LITTLE DAVIS-BACON LAWS. 113 00:03:28,130 --> 00:03:29,060 IN THE 1980S, HOWEVER, STATES 114 00:03:29,060 --> 00:03:29,240 BEGAN TO REPEAL THE WAGE 115 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,240 GUIDELINES. 116 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,220 32 STATES STILL HAVE 117 00:03:33,220 --> 00:03:35,060 PREVAILING-WAGE REQUIREMENTS ON 118 00:03:35,060 --> 00:03:36,180 THE BOOKS, BUT THE MEASURES ARE 119 00:03:36,180 --> 00:03:37,210 CURRENTLY UNDER ATTACK IN A 120 00:03:37,210 --> 00:03:38,260 NUMBER OF STATES, INCLUDING 121 00:03:38,260 --> 00:03:39,170 MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, AND WEST 122 00:03:39,170 --> 00:03:41,200 VIRGINIA. 123 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,280 HERE TO DISCUSS THE REPEAL 124 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,120 DEBATE NOW RAGING IN INDIANA ARE 125 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,180 REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE JERRY 126 00:03:47,180 --> 00:03:50,090 TORR OF CARMEL, THE AUTHOR OF 127 00:03:50,090 --> 00:03:52,120 HOUSE BILL 1019, WHICH WOULD DO 128 00:03:52,130 --> 00:03:55,150 AWAY WITH THE STATE'S COMMON 129 00:03:55,150 --> 00:03:56,120 CONSTRUCTION WAGE. 130 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,050 DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE DAVID 131 00:03:57,050 --> 00:03:58,060 NIEZGODSKI OF SOUTH BEND, 132 00:03:58,230 --> 00:04:01,230 CO-OWNER OF A THIRD-GENERATION 133 00:04:01,230 --> 00:04:02,160 PLUMBING BUSINESS AND A STAUNCH 134 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:03,200 SUPPORTER OF ORGANIZED LABOR. 135 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,020 KEVIN BRINEGAR, PRESIDENT AND 136 00:04:06,020 --> 00:04:07,020 CEO OF THE INDIANA CHAMBER OF 137 00:04:07,020 --> 00:04:08,210 COMMERCE, WHICH HAS ADDED HOUSE 138 00:04:08,210 --> 00:04:09,200 BILL 1019 TO ITS LEGISLATIVE 139 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,150 AGENDA. 140 00:04:12,150 --> 00:04:13,060 AND, REPRESENTING THE INDIANA 141 00:04:13,060 --> 00:04:15,000 BUILDING CONTRACTORS ALLIANCE, 142 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,210 JEFF HAGERMAN, CHAIRMAN OF THE 143 00:04:16,210 --> 00:04:17,240 HAGERMAN GROUP, A 107-YEAR-OLD 144 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:18,240 PRIVATELY OWNED CONSTRUCTION 145 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,170 COMPANY WITH OFFICES IN FISHERS 146 00:04:20,270 --> 00:04:23,270 AND FORT WAYNE. 147 00:04:23,270 --> 00:04:26,110 AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING 148 00:04:26,110 --> 00:04:26,200 HERE. 149 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,030 YOU'RE GOING TO DO MOST OF THE 150 00:04:28,030 --> 00:04:29,060 TALKING BECAUSE MY VOICE IS 151 00:04:29,060 --> 00:04:31,000 GOING TO GIVE OUT AT SOME POINT. 152 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,100 WE'LL START WITH YOU, WHY AFTER 153 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:36,040 80 YEARS HAS THIS LAW BEEN ON 154 00:04:36,060 --> 00:04:39,060 THE BOOKS? 155 00:04:39,060 --> 00:04:40,190 GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN UNDER 156 00:04:40,190 --> 00:04:42,090 PRESSURE WITH PROPERTY TAX CAPS, 157 00:04:42,090 --> 00:04:44,050 THEY NEED TO SCRAPE FOR EVERY 158 00:04:44,050 --> 00:04:45,080 DIME THEY HAVE. 159 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,110 WE HEARD TESTIMONY IN COMMITTEE 160 00:04:47,110 --> 00:04:50,020 IT'S NOT SAFE R SAVE MONEY BY 161 00:04:50,020 --> 00:04:51,040 ADOPTING A COMMON CONSTRUCTION 162 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,170 WAGE, IT'S NOT THAT THAT MONEY 163 00:04:52,170 --> 00:04:55,010 WILL BE SAVED SO MUCH AS THEY'LL 164 00:04:55,010 --> 00:04:56,100 BE ABLE TO DO MORE PROJECTS 165 00:04:56,100 --> 00:04:57,250 BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE PROJECTS 166 00:04:57,250 --> 00:04:59,280 CURRENTLY THAN THEY CAN AFFORD 167 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:00,290 AT MANY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. 168 00:05:00,290 --> 00:05:02,120 AND THE FIGURE THAT YOU'VE 169 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,020 USED ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS THIS 170 00:05:05,020 --> 00:05:07,170 SESSION IS 10-20%, IS THAT -- 171 00:05:07,170 --> 00:05:08,190 THE EXPERIENCE WE'VE SEEN 172 00:05:08,190 --> 00:05:10,110 WHAT'S HAPPENED, AS YOU 173 00:05:10,110 --> 00:05:12,180 MENTIONED OTHER STATES REPEALED, 174 00:05:12,180 --> 00:05:14,130 TENNESSEE REPEALED A FEW YEARS 175 00:05:14,130 --> 00:05:16,270 AGO, OVER 10 YEARS AGO OHIO 176 00:05:16,270 --> 00:05:18,240 APPEALED ITS PREVAILING WAGE FOR 177 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:19,200 PUBLIC SCHOOL PROJECTS SO WE'VE 178 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:20,280 GOT SOME PLACES TO LOOK AND SEE 179 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:23,280 WHAT THE EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN. 180 00:05:24,150 --> 00:05:27,150 AND THAT'S JUST BEEN THE -- BEEN 181 00:05:27,150 --> 00:05:29,260 THE NORM SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 182 00:05:29,260 --> 00:05:31,110 10-20% JUST BECAUSE OF MORE 183 00:05:31,110 --> 00:05:32,290 COMPETITION, MORE FREE, 184 00:05:32,290 --> 00:05:33,210 OPEN-MARKET BIDDING. 185 00:05:33,210 --> 00:05:34,170 I'M GUESSING WE'RE GOING TO 186 00:05:34,170 --> 00:05:36,230 HAVE A BATTLE OF NUMBERS AND 187 00:05:36,230 --> 00:05:37,180 STATISTICS HERE BECAUSE PEOPLE 188 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:41,070 WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS, DAVID 189 00:05:41,070 --> 00:05:42,060 NIEZGODSKI, ARE SAYING IT COULD 190 00:05:42,060 --> 00:05:44,260 BE A HIT AS MUCH AS FACING 191 00:05:44,260 --> 00:05:46,240 $20 MILLION IN TERMS OF NEGATIVE 192 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,090 IMPACT ON LOCAL COFFERS, THE 193 00:05:48,090 --> 00:05:50,080 VERY PEOPLE, JERRY TORR, THAT 194 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,190 YOU SAY NEED THE EXTRA HELP. 195 00:05:52,190 --> 00:05:54,280 WHICH IS IT? 196 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:55,140 YES, THANKS. 197 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,120 I THINK IT SHOULD BE A -- IT 198 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,210 COULD BE A BIGGER HIT THAN THAT. 199 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,080 THE WAY IT IS IT EMPLOYS LOWER 200 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,030 CONTRACTORS, LOCAL EMPLOYEES AND 201 00:06:06,030 --> 00:06:08,050 PUTS THEM TO WORK IN LOCAL 202 00:06:08,050 --> 00:06:09,230 COMMUNITIES WHICH HAS THEM SPEND 203 00:06:09,230 --> 00:06:10,230 THEIR DOLLARS IN LOCAL 204 00:06:10,230 --> 00:06:11,050 COMMUNITIES. 205 00:06:11,050 --> 00:06:12,240 IF THAT DOESN'T TAKE PLACE AND 206 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,170 YOU GO SIMPLY FOR THE LOWEST BID 207 00:06:14,170 --> 00:06:17,100 AND YOU DON'T HAVE A PREVAILING 208 00:06:17,100 --> 00:06:18,150 WAGE THAT IS SET IN ACCORDANCE 209 00:06:18,150 --> 00:06:19,250 TO A LOCAL COMMUNITY THEN YOU 210 00:06:19,250 --> 00:06:22,240 HAVE A VERY STRONG CHANCE YOU'LL 211 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:23,190 HAVE OUT-OF-STATE CONTRACTORS 212 00:06:23,190 --> 00:06:25,140 BIDDING FOR THESE JOBS, IN MANY 213 00:06:25,140 --> 00:06:26,280 CASES WHEN THEY GET THOSE KIND 214 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:29,040 OF JOBS WHAT YOU START TO SEE 215 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,160 ALSO IS THE MISCLASSIFICATION OF 216 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:30,270 EMPLOYEES. 217 00:06:30,270 --> 00:06:33,050 SO IF YOU'VE GOT OUT-OF-STATE 218 00:06:33,050 --> 00:06:34,170 CONTRACTORS BRINGING 219 00:06:34,170 --> 00:06:35,080 OUT-OF-STATE EMPLOYEES ON THE 220 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:36,200 JOB THE CONTRACTORS AREN'T 221 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,290 PAYING TAXES, IN MANY CASES THE 222 00:06:38,290 --> 00:06:41,050 EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO GO BRACK 223 00:06:41,050 --> 00:06:43,120 HOME AND NOT GOING TO PAY ANY 224 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,180 TAXES, YOU'VE GOT NOTHING THAT'S 225 00:06:44,180 --> 00:06:46,120 GOING TO BE LEFT IN THE LOCAL 226 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,230 COMMUNITY. 227 00:06:47,230 --> 00:06:49,090 PRESUMABLY THEY'LL PAY TAXES 228 00:06:49,090 --> 00:06:49,280 BUT -- 229 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:51,140 PRESUMABLY BUT IN MANY CASES 230 00:06:51,140 --> 00:06:52,220 THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. 231 00:06:52,220 --> 00:06:54,170 BECAUSE IN MANY CASES THEY DON'T 232 00:06:54,170 --> 00:06:56,210 REALIZE THEY'RE GETTING 1099 AND 233 00:06:56,210 --> 00:06:59,020 AT THE END OF THE YEAR THEY 234 00:06:59,020 --> 00:07:00,120 REALIZE, OH, MY GOSH TAX IS UPON 235 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:00,200 ME. 236 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,180 IN THE BOTTOM LINE LOSS OF TAX 237 00:07:03,180 --> 00:07:04,120 REVENUE TO THE STATE AND THE 238 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,180 COMMUNITY AND IN THE END WHEN 239 00:07:05,180 --> 00:07:07,000 THEY TALK ABOUT THE ARGUMENT ON 240 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,190 THE OTHER SIDE IT'S GOING TO 241 00:07:08,190 --> 00:07:09,280 BENEFIT TAXPAYERS, I THINK 242 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:12,110 TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO BE THE 243 00:07:12,110 --> 00:07:13,200 ONES LEFT HOLDING THE BAG AND 244 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,000 IT'S GOING TO BE EMPTY BAG AT 245 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:17,170 THE END OF THE DAY. 246 00:07:17,170 --> 00:07:19,040 YOU MENTIONED THE 247 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:20,110 PREDOMINANCE OF LOCAL 248 00:07:20,110 --> 00:07:21,140 INDIVIDUALS. 249 00:07:21,140 --> 00:07:23,050 96%, IS THAT THE FIGURE YOU'VE 250 00:07:23,050 --> 00:07:23,190 USED? 251 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,240 I'VE SEEN THAT BANDIED ABOUT 252 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,120 CURRENTLY, 90% IN-STATE LABOR. 253 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,060 THAT CAN VARY. 254 00:07:29,060 --> 00:07:30,190 IT'S SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING 255 00:07:30,190 --> 00:07:31,190 YOU CAN TALK ABOUT BECAUSE ON A 256 00:07:31,190 --> 00:07:34,110 LOT OF THESE PROJECTS PEOPLE 257 00:07:34,110 --> 00:07:35,130 WILL ALLOW PROJECT LABOR 258 00:07:35,130 --> 00:07:36,280 AGREEMENTS AND THERE'S BEEN A 259 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,040 LOT OF TALK ABOUT THAT ALSO. 260 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,030 THIS IS AN ASPECT THAT IS VERY, 261 00:07:40,030 --> 00:07:41,000 VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE THAT'S 262 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,270 WHERE IT REALLY TAKES INTO THE 263 00:07:42,270 --> 00:07:45,270 REAL NUTS AND BOLTS, IT'S NOT A 264 00:07:45,270 --> 00:07:48,030 UNION OR NONUNION ISSUE 265 00:07:48,030 --> 00:07:48,210 WHATSOEVER. 266 00:07:48,210 --> 00:07:49,260 ON THESE LABOR AGREEMENTS 267 00:07:49,260 --> 00:07:51,060 WHATEVER AGREEMENT IS STRUCK, 268 00:07:51,060 --> 00:07:53,240 FRICTION THE INDY PROJECTS LIKE 269 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,150 THE ESKENAZI HOSPITAL, LUCAS 270 00:07:55,150 --> 00:07:57,120 OIL, ON THOSE PROJECTS, 40% OF 271 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,100 THE CONTRACTORS ON THOSE JOBS 272 00:07:59,100 --> 00:08:01,100 WERE NONUNION CONTRACTORS AND 273 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:02,260 THOSE CONTRACTORS ALSO WERE ABLE 274 00:08:02,260 --> 00:08:04,230 TO UTILIZE THEIR OWN WORK 275 00:08:04,230 --> 00:08:05,030 FORCES. 276 00:08:05,030 --> 00:08:07,000 SO YOU -- IT'S AGREEMENT 277 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,110 WHATEVER YOU COME UP WITH TO DO. 278 00:08:09,110 --> 00:08:11,170 THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT IS LOCAL 279 00:08:11,170 --> 00:08:13,220 WAGES THAT ARE PREVAILING AND IN 280 00:08:13,220 --> 00:08:15,120 THAT AREA FOR THE DOLLARS THAT 281 00:08:15,180 --> 00:08:18,180 ARE SPENT ON THOSE PROJECTS. 282 00:08:18,180 --> 00:08:19,140 WELL, ACTUALLY -- 283 00:08:19,140 --> 00:08:20,140 ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD AND THEN 284 00:08:20,140 --> 00:08:22,220 WE'RE GOING TO LET OUR OTHER 285 00:08:22,220 --> 00:08:24,100 GUEST JUMP IN, GO AHEAD. 286 00:08:24,100 --> 00:08:26,240 THERE IS REALLY NOTHING IN 287 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,220 THE CONSTRUCTION WAGE SYSTEM 288 00:08:27,220 --> 00:08:29,170 THAT GUARANTEES OR EVEN BEGINS 289 00:08:29,170 --> 00:08:31,010 TO ENSURE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE 290 00:08:31,010 --> 00:08:33,130 LOCAL LABOR AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS, 291 00:08:33,130 --> 00:08:34,180 THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. 292 00:08:34,180 --> 00:08:36,030 AND THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE 293 00:08:36,030 --> 00:08:37,020 MISCLASSIFICATION AND ALL OF 294 00:08:37,020 --> 00:08:38,040 THAT, AGAIN, THAT HAS NOT BEEN 295 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,050 THE EXPERIENCE IN THE OTHER 296 00:08:39,050 --> 00:08:39,270 STATES. 297 00:08:39,270 --> 00:08:41,200 THE 90% FIGURE, IS THAT -- DO 298 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:42,290 YOU BUY THAT, THOUGH? 299 00:08:42,290 --> 00:08:44,250 THAT TO DATE WE GENERALLY SEE 300 00:08:44,250 --> 00:08:47,110 ABOUT 90% OF WORKERS ON THESE 301 00:08:47,210 --> 00:08:50,210 PROJECTS THAT GO THROUGH THE 302 00:08:50,210 --> 00:08:53,170 COMMON WAGE ESTABLISHMENT OF 303 00:08:53,170 --> 00:08:55,170 THOSE -- THOSE WAGE SCALES THAT 304 00:08:55,170 --> 00:08:57,120 THEY ARE, IN FACT, IN-STATE 305 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:57,220 WORKERS? 306 00:08:57,220 --> 00:08:59,000 I SUSPECT THAT'S PROBABLY 307 00:08:59,000 --> 00:08:59,090 TRUE. 308 00:08:59,090 --> 00:09:00,270 WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS 309 00:09:00,270 --> 00:09:02,270 LIKE LUCAS OIL AND ESKENAZI, A 310 00:09:02,270 --> 00:09:05,250 LOT OF THINGS GOING ON, THERE 311 00:09:05,250 --> 00:09:07,040 AREN'T ENOUGH WORKERS AND SO 312 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,100 THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO -- WHEN 313 00:09:08,100 --> 00:09:09,250 YOU'VE GOT THAT KIND OF WORK 314 00:09:09,250 --> 00:09:11,040 GOING ON THERE WILL ALWAYS BE 315 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,210 PEOPLE COMING FROM OUT OF STATE 316 00:09:12,210 --> 00:09:13,290 TO WORK ON IT. 317 00:09:13,290 --> 00:09:15,080 KEVIN BRINEGAR, THIS IS PART 318 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,220 OF YOUR ORGANIZATION'S AGENDA 319 00:09:16,220 --> 00:09:18,280 NOW BUT IT WASN'T AS OF A FEW 320 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,140 MONTHS AGO. 321 00:09:20,140 --> 00:09:22,230 THAT'S NOT CORRECT, JON. 322 00:09:22,230 --> 00:09:24,140 WE HAVE POSITION CALLING FOR THE 323 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,000 REPEAL OF THIS LAW. 324 00:09:28,090 --> 00:09:31,090 SINCE YOU WERE BORN, 325 00:09:31,090 --> 00:09:31,200 BEFORE -- 326 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,060 AT LEAST -- 327 00:09:33,060 --> 00:09:34,080 DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOING TO 328 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,180 HAPPEN THIS SESSION, RIGHT? 329 00:09:36,180 --> 00:09:38,180 NO, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE IT AS 330 00:09:38,180 --> 00:09:41,040 A POSITION, IF AN ISSUE COMES 331 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,100 UP, THEN WE MOVE ON IT. 332 00:09:42,100 --> 00:09:44,240 TO TOUCH ON THE OUT-OF-STATE 333 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,160 WORKER ISSUE, IT'S CURIOUS TO ME 334 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,240 THAT THE CONCERN ABOUT IF WE 335 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,110 HAVE OPEN AND COMPETITIVE 336 00:09:53,110 --> 00:09:55,250 BIDDING RATHER THAN 337 00:09:55,250 --> 00:09:56,150 GOVERNMENT-MANDATED MINIMUM 338 00:09:56,180 --> 00:09:59,180 WAGES TO BE PAID ON PUBLIC 339 00:09:59,180 --> 00:10:00,260 CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, THAT 340 00:10:00,260 --> 00:10:02,120 OUT-OF-STATE PEOPLE WILL COME 341 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,150 IN, WHEN WE HAD EIGHT TO 10 342 00:10:04,150 --> 00:10:05,240 YEARS AGO THE THREE MASSIVE 343 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,200 PROJECTS HERE IN INDIANAPOLIS, 344 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,230 WE HAD JUST THE OPPOSITE HAPPEN, 345 00:10:10,230 --> 00:10:12,000 WE HAD LUCAS OIL STADIUM, THE 346 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:12,220 CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION AND 347 00:10:12,220 --> 00:10:14,140 THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW 348 00:10:14,140 --> 00:10:15,280 INDIANAPOLIS AIRPORT, AND THOSE 349 00:10:16,020 --> 00:10:19,020 WERE ALL SET AT THE UNION WAGE 350 00:10:19,020 --> 00:10:20,020 WITH PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS 351 00:10:20,090 --> 00:10:23,090 THAT LIMITED THE ABILITY OF 352 00:10:23,090 --> 00:10:24,090 NONUNION CONTRACTORS TO 353 00:10:24,090 --> 00:10:25,080 PARTICIPATE OTHER THAN ON THE 354 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,150 VERY SMALL PARTS 'CAUSE THERE 355 00:10:27,060 --> 00:10:30,060 WAS A -- I THINK A $250,000 356 00:10:30,060 --> 00:10:32,120 LIMIT, THEY RAN OUT OF UNION 357 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,030 WORKERS, AND INSTEAD OF GOING TO 358 00:10:35,030 --> 00:10:37,270 SKILLED, ABLE-BODY HOOSIERS WHO 359 00:10:37,270 --> 00:10:40,120 COULD HAVE -- WERE HERE AND 360 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,070 COULD HAVE WORKED ON THOSE 361 00:10:42,070 --> 00:10:44,170 PROJECTS THEY BROUGHT IN SOME 362 00:10:44,170 --> 00:10:45,170 4,000 UNION WORKERS FROM 363 00:10:45,170 --> 00:10:46,260 ILLINOIS, OHIO AND KENTUCKY AND 364 00:10:46,260 --> 00:10:48,170 THEY TOOK OUR TAX DOLLARS BACK 365 00:10:52,190 --> 00:10:55,210 TO THEIR STATES AND SPENT THEM. 366 00:10:55,210 --> 00:10:57,170 FOURTH GENERATION OF YOUR 367 00:10:57,170 --> 00:10:58,290 COMPANY'S LEADERSHIP, JEFF 368 00:10:58,290 --> 00:10:59,120 HAGERMAN. 369 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,200 YOU DO THIS EVERY DAY, SOME 370 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,020 PEOPLE MIGHT SAY WHY WOULD HE BE 371 00:11:03,020 --> 00:11:05,150 ON THE SIDE OPPOSING THIS? 372 00:11:05,150 --> 00:11:06,240 BUT YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT YOUR 373 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,040 WORKFORCE, I PRESUME. 374 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:08,290 WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT IS A 375 00:11:08,290 --> 00:11:10,100 BIG THING AND I'M GOING TO TOUCH 376 00:11:10,250 --> 00:11:13,250 ON THAT, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON 377 00:11:13,250 --> 00:11:14,260 KEVIN'S FACTS. 378 00:11:14,260 --> 00:11:15,280 THE 4,000, I DON'T KNOW WHERE 379 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:16,250 THAT NUMBER CAME FROM. 380 00:11:16,250 --> 00:11:18,110 I WAS A PART OF ALL OF THE 381 00:11:18,110 --> 00:11:19,220 PROJECTS THAT KEVIN JUST 382 00:11:19,220 --> 00:11:20,280 MENTIONED, AND THE MAJORITY OF 383 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,160 THE FOLKS ON THOSE PROJECTS WERE 384 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:25,260 HOOSIERS FOLK. 385 00:11:25,260 --> 00:11:28,140 AND QUITE A FEW, AS DAVID 386 00:11:28,140 --> 00:11:30,020 MENTIONED, IN NONUNION ENTITIES 387 00:11:30,020 --> 00:11:31,250 BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE THE RIGHT 388 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,240 TO BE A PART OF P.L.A. PROJECTS, 389 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,210 SOME CHOSE NOT TO BECAUSE THEY 390 00:11:38,210 --> 00:11:40,060 DECIDED TO FIGHT THAT 391 00:11:40,060 --> 00:11:40,260 ARRANGE: THAT'S A BUSINESS 392 00:11:40,260 --> 00:11:42,140 CHOICE THAT THEY MADE WHICH IS 393 00:11:42,140 --> 00:11:43,090 UP TO THEM. 394 00:11:43,090 --> 00:11:44,170 BUT YOU DON'T BUY THE NOTION 395 00:11:44,170 --> 00:11:47,130 THAT THERE'S A LIMITED SUPPLY 396 00:11:47,130 --> 00:11:48,140 OR -- 397 00:11:48,140 --> 00:11:49,010 ABSOLUTELY NOT. 398 00:11:49,010 --> 00:11:51,110 -- OR THERE'S ALMOST A NEED 399 00:11:51,110 --> 00:11:51,250 TO GO OUTSIDE. 400 00:11:51,250 --> 00:11:54,000 THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE, FROM 401 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,160 YOU MY PERSPECTIVE, THE 402 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:56,220 CHALLENGE WE HAVE MOVING FORWARD 403 00:11:56,220 --> 00:11:58,150 IF THIS LAW GETS REPEALED IS 404 00:11:58,150 --> 00:12:00,280 THAT WE HAVE SET A PRECEDENT 405 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,010 WITHIN THIS STATE. 406 00:12:03,010 --> 00:12:04,270 WE HAVE -- WE ALREADY HAVE, AND 407 00:12:04,270 --> 00:12:07,220 HAVE FOR 10-15 YEARS, STRUGGLED 408 00:12:07,220 --> 00:12:10,140 TO FIND PEOPLE TO JOIN OUR WORK 409 00:12:10,140 --> 00:12:12,210 FORCES AT THE SKILLED LEVEL. 410 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,120 THIS, TO ME, IS NOT A 411 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,180 UNION-NONUNION THING, IT NEVER 412 00:12:18,180 --> 00:12:19,170 HAS BEEN. 413 00:12:19,170 --> 00:12:21,110 I THINK THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT 414 00:12:21,110 --> 00:12:23,220 ALL INDIANA CONTRACTORS 415 00:12:23,220 --> 00:12:25,030 SIGNIFICANTLY, FROM A FEW 416 00:12:25,030 --> 00:12:25,280 STANDPOINTS. 417 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,030 NUMBER ONE, THEY'RE GOING TO -- 418 00:12:28,030 --> 00:12:30,050 AGAIN, WE'VE SET A PRECEDENT 419 00:12:30,190 --> 00:12:33,190 WITH RESPECT TO TRAINING AND 420 00:12:33,190 --> 00:12:35,250 DEVELOPING SKILLED LABOR, UNION 421 00:12:35,250 --> 00:12:37,210 SITES WITH THE APPRENTICE 422 00:12:37,210 --> 00:12:40,020 PROGRAM AS WELL AS THE NONUNION 423 00:12:40,020 --> 00:12:41,180 SITES THAT I KNOW COMPANIES THAT 424 00:12:41,180 --> 00:12:43,050 SPEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF 425 00:12:44,050 --> 00:12:47,050 DOLLARS TO IMPROVE THEIR SKILLED 426 00:12:47,050 --> 00:12:47,290 WORKFORCE. 427 00:12:47,290 --> 00:12:48,210 $14 MILLION A YEAR IS THE 428 00:12:48,210 --> 00:12:50,200 FIGURE I -- 429 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,090 $14 MILLION A YEAR 430 00:12:52,090 --> 00:12:53,190 APPRENTICESHIP AND THOSE PEOPLE 431 00:12:53,190 --> 00:12:55,120 ALSO OBTAIN A TWO-YEAR DEGREE 432 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,110 FROM IVY TECH ONCE THEY 433 00:12:56,110 --> 00:12:56,230 GRADUATE. 434 00:12:56,230 --> 00:12:58,170 SO WE'RE IMPROVING THE LIVES OF 435 00:12:58,170 --> 00:13:00,080 HOOSIERS WHO ARE GOING TO STAY, 436 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,060 WORK, PAY TAXES WITHIN THE 437 00:13:03,060 --> 00:13:03,150 STATE. 438 00:13:03,150 --> 00:13:04,260 DOES THAT PROGRAM DISAPPEAR, 439 00:13:04,260 --> 00:13:06,080 I MEAN, THAT APPRENTICESHIP -- 440 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,200 YOU JUST HAD YOUR 10,000th 441 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:10,120 GRADUATE, I BELIEVE, AT THE 442 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,290 STATEHOUSE RALLY LAST WEEK, DOES 443 00:13:11,290 --> 00:13:12,290 THAT PROGRAM DISAPPEAR? 444 00:13:12,290 --> 00:13:13,130 GO AHEAD. 445 00:13:13,130 --> 00:13:15,000 I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK 446 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,150 THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT BECAUSE 447 00:13:16,150 --> 00:13:18,030 RIGHT NOW WITH THE PREVAILING 448 00:13:18,030 --> 00:13:19,040 WAGES, CONTRACTORS ARE THE ONES 449 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,160 THAT ARE PAYING FOR THE 450 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,130 APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS, THEY'RE 451 00:13:21,130 --> 00:13:23,040 PAYING FOR THE EXTRA BENEFITS, 452 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,140 THEY'RE PAYING FOR HEALTH 453 00:13:24,140 --> 00:13:24,250 INSURANCE. 454 00:13:24,250 --> 00:13:26,080 ALL THOSE THINGS ARE COVERED 455 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,020 WITHIN THOSE WAGES. 456 00:13:28,020 --> 00:13:29,190 AND, AS YOU SAID, $42 MILLION ON 457 00:13:29,190 --> 00:13:31,200 AN ANNUAL BASIS ARE PUT INTO 458 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:32,250 TRAINING PROGRAMS. 459 00:13:32,250 --> 00:13:34,140 THOSE DOLLARS ALL COME FROM 460 00:13:34,140 --> 00:13:35,010 PREVAILING WAGES. 461 00:13:35,010 --> 00:13:37,090 NOW, IF YOU DO AWAY WITH THAT, 462 00:13:37,090 --> 00:13:40,060 AND YOU'RE GOING TO GO SIMPLY TO 463 00:13:40,060 --> 00:13:42,030 WHAT THEY'RE REFERRING AS THE 464 00:13:42,030 --> 00:13:43,270 LOWEST BID JOB THERE'S NO TALK 465 00:13:43,270 --> 00:13:45,150 ABOUT ANYONE THAT'S GOING TO PUT 466 00:13:45,150 --> 00:13:46,250 FORTH ANY DOLLARS FOR TRAINING, 467 00:13:46,250 --> 00:13:48,180 THERE'S NO TALK WHATSOEVER 468 00:13:48,180 --> 00:13:48,280 ABOUT -- 469 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,290 THIS IS WHAT I LOVE ABOUT 470 00:13:49,290 --> 00:13:51,050 THIS, AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A 471 00:13:51,050 --> 00:13:52,150 LOT OF MENTION ABOUT FREE MARKET 472 00:13:52,190 --> 00:13:55,210 AND WE DO NOT LIVE IN A FREE 473 00:13:55,210 --> 00:13:57,060 MARKET SOCIETY IN INDIANA TODAY. 474 00:13:57,060 --> 00:13:59,240 I MEAN, THE PUBLIC BID LAWS 475 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,030 RESTRICT THE FREE MARKET 476 00:14:02,030 --> 00:14:02,160 OPPORTUNITIES. 477 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,100 I MEAN, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO 478 00:14:04,190 --> 00:14:07,190 PROVIDE A BOND AND YOU ARE ABLE 479 00:14:07,190 --> 00:14:09,070 TO PROVIDE AND FILL OUT THE 480 00:14:09,070 --> 00:14:10,110 PAPERWORK APPROPRIATELY, I DON'T 481 00:14:10,110 --> 00:14:11,290 CARE WHERE YOU ARE IN THIS 482 00:14:11,290 --> 00:14:13,250 COUNTRY, YOU CAN DO WORK IN 483 00:14:13,250 --> 00:14:14,050 INDIANA. 484 00:14:14,050 --> 00:14:17,010 NOW, IF YOU APPEAL THIS LAW -- 485 00:14:17,010 --> 00:14:18,290 AND I'VE SEEN IT ACROSS THIS 486 00:14:18,290 --> 00:14:20,040 COUNTRY -- THERE ARE A LOT OF 487 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,230 FIRMS OUT THERE THAT PAY 488 00:14:22,230 --> 00:14:24,040 SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN NOT ONLY 489 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,200 THE UNION RATES, BUT THE 490 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,050 NONUNION RATES WITHIN THE STATE. 491 00:14:29,050 --> 00:14:30,030 SO ALL CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES 492 00:14:30,070 --> 00:14:33,070 ARE GOING TO SUFFER WHEN THE OUT 493 00:14:33,070 --> 00:14:35,160 OF STATE INFLUX COMES IN, AND, 494 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:36,070 AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, 495 00:14:36,070 --> 00:14:38,220 ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES FOR ME 496 00:14:38,220 --> 00:14:39,280 WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. 497 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,090 RESPOND TO THAT. 498 00:14:41,090 --> 00:14:42,130 IS WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT GOING 499 00:14:42,130 --> 00:14:43,060 OUT THE WINDOW? 500 00:14:43,060 --> 00:14:45,260 I MET WITH UNION CONTRACTORS, 501 00:14:45,260 --> 00:14:48,150 JEFF WASN'T THERE BUT SOME OF 502 00:14:48,270 --> 00:14:51,270 HIS BRETHREN LAST FALL AND ASKED 503 00:14:51,270 --> 00:14:53,130 THEM HOW MUCH OF YOUR WORK IS 504 00:14:53,250 --> 00:14:56,250 PRIVATE WORK AND IT VARIED BUT 505 00:14:56,250 --> 00:14:59,140 IT WAS FROM ABOUT 50% TO 85. 506 00:14:59,140 --> 00:15:01,080 AND THEY SAID, WELL, PRIVATE 507 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,260 DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE THE LOWEST 508 00:15:02,260 --> 00:15:03,040 BID. 509 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,120 BUT LET'S FACE IT BUSINESS 510 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,000 PEOPLE WHO ARE BUILDING 511 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,150 BUILDINGS FOR THEIR BUSINESS ARE 512 00:15:09,150 --> 00:15:11,050 USUALLY PRETTY COST-CONSCIOUS. 513 00:15:11,050 --> 00:15:12,260 EVEN IN INDIANA WHERE -- LIKE IN 514 00:15:12,260 --> 00:15:15,000 HAMILTON COUNTY WHERE THEY 515 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,230 TYPICALLY ADOPT A NONUNION WAGE 516 00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:19,010 WITH THE WAGE PANEL YET THERE'S 517 00:15:19,010 --> 00:15:20,030 STILL UNION CONTRACTORS THAT ARE 518 00:15:20,030 --> 00:15:21,170 ABLE TO WIN THOSE BIDS AND I 519 00:15:21,170 --> 00:15:24,010 THINK THAT WILL CONTINUE AND JON 520 00:15:24,010 --> 00:15:25,230 SOMETHING ELSE I THINK IS 521 00:15:25,230 --> 00:15:26,210 IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT 522 00:15:26,210 --> 00:15:28,230 THEY ALSO HAVE THIS -- THE 523 00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:30,210 UNIONS HAVE THIS MARKET RECOVERY 524 00:15:30,210 --> 00:15:32,110 FUND, SOME OF THEM CALL IT. 525 00:15:32,110 --> 00:15:34,170 IT GOES BY DIFFERENT NAMES. 526 00:15:34,180 --> 00:15:37,180 BUT ON PUBLIC PROJECTS, THE 527 00:15:37,250 --> 00:15:40,250 WORKERS PAY -- LAST CONTRACT I 528 00:15:40,250 --> 00:15:42,060 SAW WAS AROUND A QUARTER. 529 00:15:42,060 --> 00:15:44,240 BUT THEY PAY INTO A FUND THAT 530 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,260 THE UNION COLLECTS, AND THEN, 531 00:15:46,260 --> 00:15:48,220 WHEN A UNION CONTRACTOR IS 532 00:15:49,170 --> 00:15:52,170 BIDDING ON A PRIVATE JOB AND IT 533 00:15:52,170 --> 00:15:54,090 HAS STIFF COMPETITION FROM A 534 00:15:54,090 --> 00:15:55,200 NONUNION CONTRACTOR, THE UNION 535 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,250 WILL ALLOW THOSE FUNDS TO BE 536 00:15:57,250 --> 00:15:59,150 USED TO SUBSIDIZE THE BID. 537 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,160 SO YOU LITERALLY HAVE TAXPAYERS 538 00:16:02,290 --> 00:16:05,290 ON PUBLIC PROJECTS SUBSIDIZING 539 00:16:05,290 --> 00:16:07,040 PRIVATE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. 540 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,200 ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. 541 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:09,200 THAT'S NOT TRUE. 542 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,290 AND I DEAL WITH MARKET RECOVERY 543 00:16:10,290 --> 00:16:11,280 ON A LOT OF PROJECTS. 544 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,060 THAT'S NOT -- 545 00:16:13,060 --> 00:16:15,040 I'VE HAD CONTRACTORS TELL 546 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,160 ME -- BUT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND 547 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,140 THE CONCEPT, I DON'T THINK. 548 00:16:18,140 --> 00:16:19,220 THOSE DOLLARS ARE DOLLARS THAT 549 00:16:19,220 --> 00:16:21,160 ARE GIVEN BY THOSE EMPLOYEES. 550 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,070 AND THOSE EMPLOYEES -- IN A LOT 551 00:16:23,070 --> 00:16:25,040 OF CASES THEY WEREN'T MAKING 552 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,020 PREVAILING WAGES AT THE TIME. 553 00:16:26,020 --> 00:16:27,050 IT MAY HAVE BEEN ON ANY OTHER 554 00:16:27,050 --> 00:16:29,060 HOST OF JOBS THEY MADE, IT'S OFF 555 00:16:29,060 --> 00:16:31,000 THEIR SALARY, THOSE EMPLOYEES 556 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,050 HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE 557 00:16:32,050 --> 00:16:33,230 GOING TO CONTRIBUTE A LITTLE BIT 558 00:16:33,230 --> 00:16:35,050 AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT BACK INTO 559 00:16:35,050 --> 00:16:36,220 THE SYSTEM. 560 00:16:36,220 --> 00:16:37,280 IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH 561 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,150 OTHER TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS WHICH I 562 00:16:39,150 --> 00:16:41,090 THINK RAISES A REALLY GOOD POINT 563 00:16:41,090 --> 00:16:41,180 HERE. 564 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,280 WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THINGS -- 565 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,160 USE UNION -- OR PRIVATE 566 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,190 PROJECTS, RIGHT? 567 00:16:47,190 --> 00:16:49,030 ON ANY PROJECTS WHATSOEVER IN 568 00:16:49,030 --> 00:16:50,190 A PERSON'S WAGE THAT DOESN'T 569 00:16:50,190 --> 00:16:51,280 MEAN THEY'RE ALWAYS GETTING 570 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,120 PREVAILING WAGES, IF THEY'RE 571 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,120 GETTING NORMAL WAGES AND THEY 572 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,070 DECIDE THAT OUT OF MY HOURLY 573 00:16:57,070 --> 00:16:59,000 TAKEIN I WANT TO PUT A QUARTER 574 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,040 OF EVERY HOUR INTO THAT TO HELP 575 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,250 FUND OUR WHOLE SYSTEM THAT'S NOT 576 00:17:02,250 --> 00:17:05,210 A WAY TO OUTBID OR OUTCLASS 577 00:17:05,210 --> 00:17:06,150 ANOTHER BIDDER. 578 00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:08,080 THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT'S ABOUT. 579 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,020 WHAT I DO WANT TO RAISE HERE, 580 00:17:10,020 --> 00:17:11,230 THOUGH, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT YOU 581 00:17:11,230 --> 00:17:13,270 DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HURT 582 00:17:13,270 --> 00:17:15,180 WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN 583 00:17:15,180 --> 00:17:17,180 ULTIMATELY BECAUSE IF YOU -- 584 00:17:17,180 --> 00:17:20,160 HOPEFULLY YOU WON'T DISAGREE, 585 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,040 NONPARTISAN ARM, LEGISLATIVE 586 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,090 SERVICES, HAS EVEN SAID RIGHT 587 00:17:23,090 --> 00:17:24,190 NOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO BID THESE 588 00:17:24,190 --> 00:17:25,210 PROJECTS IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY 589 00:17:25,210 --> 00:17:28,140 HARD TO GET THE WINNING BID 590 00:17:28,140 --> 00:17:29,290 UNLESS YOU LOWER WAGES. 591 00:17:29,290 --> 00:17:31,060 LOWERING WAGES IS THE ONE TRUE 592 00:17:31,060 --> 00:17:32,270 WAY YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE 593 00:17:32,270 --> 00:17:34,020 LOWERING OF SAVINGS AND IF YOU 594 00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:36,100 DO THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IN 595 00:17:36,100 --> 00:17:38,050 LESS TAX DOLLARS IN THE STATE OF 596 00:17:38,050 --> 00:17:39,000 INDIANA. 597 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,210 AND L.S.A. EVEN SUGGESTED IF 598 00:17:40,210 --> 00:17:42,090 THAT HAPPENS THAT THERE WILL BE 599 00:17:42,090 --> 00:17:43,250 LESS TAX REVENUE COMING INTO THE 600 00:17:43,250 --> 00:17:44,160 STATE OF INDIANA. 601 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,190 WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT CASE? 602 00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:47,230 WHERE DO WE GO? 603 00:17:47,230 --> 00:17:48,160 NOT ME. 604 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:52,120 BUT YOU WOULD AGREE THERE 605 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:52,220 ARE -- 606 00:17:52,220 --> 00:17:54,060 WHERE DO THOSE DOLLARS COME 607 00:17:54,060 --> 00:17:56,030 FROM, THEY COME FROM TAX 608 00:17:56,030 --> 00:17:57,100 DOLLARS, THESE ARE PUBLICLY 609 00:17:57,100 --> 00:17:58,180 FUNDED PROJECTS. 610 00:17:58,180 --> 00:18:00,190 EVERY DOLLAR SPENT ABOVE MARKET 611 00:18:00,190 --> 00:18:03,020 PRICE IS A -- THE DOLLAR, THE 612 00:18:03,020 --> 00:18:04,100 TAX DOLLAR THAT ANOTHER BUSINESS 613 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,080 DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY THEIR PEOPLE 614 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,060 SALARIED BENEFITS, HEALTHCARE. 615 00:18:12,060 --> 00:18:14,080 BUT WHAT IF IT DOES GO OUT OF 616 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,060 STATE AND IF THE WORKFORCE COMES 617 00:18:16,060 --> 00:18:17,180 IN, THEN IT DOESN'T -- 618 00:18:17,180 --> 00:18:19,260 I SPENT 12 YEARS ON THE 619 00:18:19,260 --> 00:18:20,160 NOBLESVILLE SCHOOL BOARD AND 620 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,000 DURING THAT TIME I WAS THE 621 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,100 OWNERS' REPRESENTATIVE ON THE 622 00:18:25,100 --> 00:18:26,190 COMMON CONSTRUCTION WAGE 623 00:18:26,190 --> 00:18:26,290 HEARING. 624 00:18:26,290 --> 00:18:28,100 IT WAS A RAPIDLY GROWING SCHOOL 625 00:18:28,100 --> 00:18:28,210 DISTRICT. 626 00:18:28,210 --> 00:18:30,010 WE DID A LOT OF PROJECTS DURING 627 00:18:30,010 --> 00:18:32,090 THAT TIME. 628 00:18:32,090 --> 00:18:33,240 AND WE CHOSE TO SET THE MINIMUM 629 00:18:34,110 --> 00:18:37,110 TO BE PAID AT THE ABC RATE SO 630 00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:38,150 THAT WE WOULD HAVE MORE FAIR, 631 00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:40,080 OPEN AND COMPETITIVE BIDDING. 632 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,200 AND DURING THOSE 12 YEARS 633 00:18:42,010 --> 00:18:45,010 LITERALLY HALF OF THE PROJECTS 634 00:18:45,010 --> 00:18:46,240 WERE WON BY UNION CONTRACTORS, 635 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,180 THE OTHER HALF BY NONUNION 636 00:18:48,180 --> 00:18:51,160 CONTRACTORS, AND MANY TIMES THE 637 00:18:52,050 --> 00:18:55,070 WINNING BIDDER WAS PAYING WAGES, 638 00:18:55,070 --> 00:18:56,190 AT LEAST FOR SOME OF THE 639 00:18:56,190 --> 00:18:59,030 CATEGORIES, THAT WAS HIGHER THAN 640 00:18:59,030 --> 00:19:00,150 THE MINIMUM THAT HAD BEEN 641 00:19:00,150 --> 00:19:01,220 ESTABLISHED THROUGH THE 642 00:19:01,220 --> 00:19:02,090 WAGE-SETTING PROCESS. 643 00:19:02,090 --> 00:19:03,200 THE OTHER THING WE TALK ABOUT 644 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,170 WHAT -- THE COMMON WAGE LIKE 645 00:19:05,170 --> 00:19:07,260 IT'S SOME MAGICAL THING. 646 00:19:07,260 --> 00:19:10,120 EARLIER THIS YEAR ALLEN COUNTY 647 00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:12,160 AND FORT WAYNE COMMUNITY SCHOOLS 648 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,000 HAD WAGE-SETTING HEARINGS OR 649 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,120 PROJECTS THEY WERE DOING ON THE 650 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:18,140 EXACT SAME DAY. 651 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,280 ALLEN COUNTY CHOSE THE ABC 652 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,040 RATES, FORT WAYNE COMMUNITY 653 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:29,100 SCHOOLS CHOSE THE FLCIO RATES, 654 00:19:30,190 --> 00:19:33,190 FOR ELECTRICIANS IT WAS 56% FOR 655 00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:35,260 UNSKILLED MILLWRIGHTS IT WAS 656 00:19:35,260 --> 00:19:36,050 106%. 657 00:19:36,050 --> 00:19:38,170 SO WHICH ONE IS REALLY THE 658 00:19:38,170 --> 00:19:39,270 COMMON WAGE. 659 00:19:39,270 --> 00:19:40,260 STATE STATUTE. 660 00:19:41,050 --> 00:19:44,050 YOU'VE GOT FIVE DIFFERENT -- 661 00:19:44,050 --> 00:19:44,290 OF COURSE IT WAS 662 00:19:44,290 --> 00:19:46,050 DETERMINED -- FROM MY EXPERIENCE 663 00:19:46,050 --> 00:19:48,150 THAT THE COMMON WAGE IS WHATEVER 664 00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:51,150 THE COMMITTEE SAYS IT IS, AND 665 00:19:51,150 --> 00:19:54,030 THAT'S BEEN BACKED UP, AND WHAT 666 00:19:54,030 --> 00:19:56,030 GETS ESTABLISHED IS TOTALLY 667 00:19:56,100 --> 00:19:59,100 BASED ON WHO'S APPOINTED TO THAT 668 00:19:59,100 --> 00:19:59,210 COMMITTEE. 669 00:19:59,250 --> 00:20:02,250 AND OUR ONLY POSITION, IF I CAN 670 00:20:03,220 --> 00:20:06,220 FINISH, IS THAT WE DON'T SET 671 00:20:06,220 --> 00:20:08,280 MINIMUM PRICES TO BE PAID ON 672 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,210 CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, ON BUS 673 00:20:10,210 --> 00:20:12,210 DRIVER SALARIES, ON COMPUTERS, 674 00:20:12,210 --> 00:20:14,230 OR EVEN PAPER CLIPS. 675 00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:17,050 SO WHY DO WE DO IT ON 676 00:20:17,050 --> 00:20:18,090 CONSTRUCTION LABOR? 677 00:20:18,090 --> 00:20:20,090 AND WE'RE ALL FOR THE TRAINING 678 00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:20,190 PROGRAM. 679 00:20:20,190 --> 00:20:22,230 WE RECOGNIZE THE TRAINING AND 680 00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:23,240 THESE ARE OUTSTANDING PROGRAMS. 681 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,270 I'VE GONE TO VISIT THEM. 682 00:20:24,270 --> 00:20:26,250 BUT THE QUESTION IS HOW SHOULD 683 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:30,100 THEY BE PAID FOR. 684 00:20:30,100 --> 00:20:31,130 AND ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT 685 00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:33,100 MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T BE PAID FOR 686 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:35,110 BY OVERCHARGING TAXPAYERS ON 687 00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:36,020 PUBLIC CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, 688 00:20:36,020 --> 00:20:38,140 BUT WE OUGHT TO DEAL WITH IT 689 00:20:38,140 --> 00:20:40,020 STRAIGHT UP AND -- 690 00:20:40,020 --> 00:20:41,230 BACK INTO THE LOCAL 691 00:20:41,230 --> 00:20:43,050 COMMUNITIES AND SUPPORT THOSE 692 00:20:43,050 --> 00:20:45,290 LOCAL COMMUNITIES, THOSE ARE NOT 693 00:20:45,290 --> 00:20:46,100 TAXABLE -- 694 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:47,260 BUT WOULD THOSE TAX DOLLARS 695 00:20:47,260 --> 00:20:49,140 BE BETTER SPENT BY LEAVING THEM 696 00:20:49,140 --> 00:20:51,230 IN THE TAXPAYERS' POCKETS RATHER 697 00:20:51,230 --> 00:20:54,020 THAN HAVING THEM PAY 698 00:20:54,020 --> 00:20:55,230 ABOVE-MARKET PRICES FOR THE 699 00:20:55,260 --> 00:20:58,260 PUBLIC CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. 700 00:20:58,260 --> 00:20:59,260 ECONOMY GROW BY HAVING A 701 00:20:59,260 --> 00:21:01,240 FLOOR SHOWING OF THE DOLLARS 702 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,150 WITHIN THE ECONOMIES AND WHEN 703 00:21:03,250 --> 00:21:06,250 THE ECONOMIES -- 704 00:21:06,250 --> 00:21:07,220 IN MY OPINION, I THINK WE'RE 705 00:21:07,220 --> 00:21:09,160 SKEWING, WE'RE SKEWING THESE 706 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:09,260 DOLLARS. 707 00:21:09,260 --> 00:21:11,070 I MEAN, WE'RE SKEWING THE 708 00:21:11,070 --> 00:21:11,190 PERCENTAGES. 709 00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:13,040 I THINK THESE STUDIES THAT HAVE 710 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,080 BEEN THROWN UP ARE INCLUSIVE, 711 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,020 THEY'VE ALL BEEN PROVEN TO BE 712 00:21:19,020 --> 00:21:20,050 INCLUSIVE IN OTHER STATES. 713 00:21:20,050 --> 00:21:22,150 IF YOU BID IN THESE OTHER STATES 714 00:21:22,150 --> 00:21:23,260 NOBODY'S LOOKING AT THE TRUE 715 00:21:23,260 --> 00:21:24,270 LIFE CYCLE COSTS OF THESE 716 00:21:24,270 --> 00:21:26,090 BUILDINGS WHEN YOU HAVE LOWER 717 00:21:26,090 --> 00:21:27,240 SKILLED PEOPLE BUILDING THESE 718 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,280 BUILDINGS AND YOU WILL HAVE 719 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,090 THAT. 720 00:21:29,090 --> 00:21:30,210 IN OHIO THE QUALITY WENT UP. 721 00:21:30,210 --> 00:21:32,210 THEY DID A SURVEY FIVE YEARS 722 00:21:32,210 --> 00:21:34,060 AFTER THEIR REPEAL AND THERE WAS 723 00:21:34,060 --> 00:21:36,220 A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE 724 00:21:36,220 --> 00:21:37,020 QUALITY. 725 00:21:37,020 --> 00:21:39,040 ARE THERE OTHER STATISTICS 726 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,200 WORKPLACE MISHAPS GO UP AS WELL? 727 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,140 SAFETY ISSUE. 728 00:21:42,140 --> 00:21:44,110 ONE LAST THING I'M SAYING, I 729 00:21:44,110 --> 00:21:46,070 KNOW WE'RE TIGHT ON TIME HERE. 730 00:21:48,020 --> 00:21:51,020 HOW ARE WE GOING TO RECRUIT 731 00:21:51,020 --> 00:21:53,200 PEOPLE INTO -- INDIANA, 732 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,290 HOOSIERS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO 733 00:21:55,290 --> 00:21:57,140 RECRUIT THEM TO JOIN OUR 734 00:21:57,140 --> 00:21:59,100 WORKFORCE AND HELP US BUILD 735 00:21:59,100 --> 00:21:59,280 THOSE BUILDINGS. 736 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,090 WE'RE HAVING A TOUGH ENOUGH TIME 737 00:22:01,090 --> 00:22:03,120 NOW, I KNOW THAT. 738 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:04,170 OFFER THEM A DECENT WAGE FOR 739 00:22:04,170 --> 00:22:06,110 A HARD DAY'S WORK. 740 00:22:06,110 --> 00:22:07,200 WELL, BUT SOMETHING LIKE 88% 741 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,120 OF ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION 742 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,170 WORKERS IN INDIANA ARE NOT UNION 743 00:22:15,130 --> 00:22:18,130 AND SO SOMEHOW THEY'RE GETTING 744 00:22:18,130 --> 00:22:19,080 RECRUITED. 745 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,080 WE'LL ALL COME BACK HERE AND 746 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,130 SEE WHO WAS RIGHT AND LINE UP 747 00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:23,250 YOUR STATISTICS AND YOURS AND 748 00:22:23,250 --> 00:22:25,030 WE'LL SEE WHO WAS RIGHT AND WHO 749 00:22:25,030 --> 00:22:25,290 WAS WRONG. 750 00:22:25,290 --> 00:22:27,110 OBVIOUSLY, IT'S AN IMPORTANT 751 00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:30,110 ISSUE, ONE ABOUT WHICH MANY 752 00:22:30,110 --> 00:22:32,130 PEOPLE VERY STRONGLY AND I THANK 753 00:22:32,130 --> 00:22:33,280 YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TO SHARE 754 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,210 THE INSIGHT THAT YOU ALL HAVE ON 755 00:22:36,210 --> 00:22:37,230 THIS ISSUE IN THE FINAL WEEKS 756 00:22:37,230 --> 00:22:40,040 HERE OF THE SESSION PROMISES TO 757 00:22:43,020 --> 00:22:46,020 BE INTERESTING. 758 00:22:46,020 --> 00:22:46,230 AGAIN, MY GUESTS HAVE BEEN 759 00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:47,150 REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE JERRY 760 00:22:47,150 --> 00:22:47,290 TORR OF CARMEL. 761 00:22:47,290 --> 00:22:48,210 DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE DAVID 762 00:22:48,210 --> 00:22:49,100 NIEZGODSKI OF SOUTH BEND. 763 00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:50,010 KEVIN BRINEGAR, PRESIDENT AND 764 00:22:50,010 --> 00:22:50,220 CEO OF THE INDIANA CHAMBER OF 765 00:22:50,220 --> 00:22:51,030 COMMERCE. 766 00:22:51,030 --> 00:22:51,240 AND JEFF HAGERMAN, CHAIRMAN OF 767 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,160 THE HAGERMAN GROUP CONSTRUCTION 768 00:22:53,070 --> 00:22:56,070 COMPANY. 769 00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:56,280 THE SUBJECT IS SCHOOL 770 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,180 FUNDING. 771 00:22:57,180 --> 00:22:58,100 SHOULD THE MONEY FOLLOW THE 772 00:22:58,100 --> 00:22:59,000 STUDENT OR FOLLOW THE NEED? 773 00:22:59,000 --> 00:22:59,190 WE'LL TAKE A COURSE ON THE 774 00:22:59,190 --> 00:23:00,140 EDUCATION BUDGET ON THE NEXT 775 00:23:00,140 --> 00:23:03,050 "INDIANA LAWMAKERS." 776 00:23:03,050 --> 00:23:03,270 TIME NOW FOR OUR WEEKLY 777 00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:05,160 DISCUSSION WITH ED FEIGENBAUM, 778 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,200 PUBLISHER OF THE NEWSLETTER 779 00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:14,270 "INDIANA LEGISLATIVE INSIGHT." 780 00:23:14,270 --> 00:23:17,040 ED, WHY NOW AFTER THE 80 781 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:17,130 YEARS. 782 00:23:17,130 --> 00:23:19,260 WE'RE DOING ALL THE 80 YEAR 783 00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:23,090 THINGS THIS YEAR, MUST BE A 784 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,160 CIRCADIAN CYCLE, THE SUNDAY 785 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,180 ALCOHOL SALES, THE RIVERBOAT 786 00:23:29,180 --> 00:23:31,200 LAWS AFTER A COUPLE OF DECADES 787 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,110 OF EXPERIENCE. 788 00:23:32,110 --> 00:23:33,090 IT SEEMS LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN 789 00:23:33,090 --> 00:23:35,040 WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT WE 790 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,060 HAVEN'T REASSESSED IN QUITE A 791 00:23:36,060 --> 00:23:38,010 BIT AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM. 792 00:23:38,010 --> 00:23:40,020 AS TO THE SPECIFIC TIMING, I 793 00:23:40,020 --> 00:23:41,230 DON'T THINK ANYBODY REALLY KNOWS 794 00:23:41,230 --> 00:23:42,020 WHY -- 795 00:23:42,020 --> 00:23:42,240 DO YOU THINK IT'S MORE OF 796 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,010 JUST A REASSESSMENT OR DO YOU 797 00:23:44,010 --> 00:23:45,200 THINK IT'S THE FACT THAT PEOPLE 798 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,160 LOOK AT THE SUPER MAJORITY IN 799 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,030 BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE AND 800 00:23:49,030 --> 00:23:50,180 SAY IF WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE 801 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,220 THIS IS THE TIME, OR IS IT A 802 00:23:53,220 --> 00:23:56,140 MATTER OF PURE POLITICS OR 803 00:23:56,140 --> 00:23:56,240 NUMBERS? 804 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,270 THIS COULD SOON DONE THIS AS 805 00:23:58,270 --> 00:23:59,250 WELL IN THE PAST, THEY COULD 806 00:23:59,250 --> 00:24:01,270 HAVE WRAPPED IT UP IN A NICE 807 00:24:01,270 --> 00:24:03,250 PACKAGE WITH A NICE RED BOW BUT 808 00:24:03,250 --> 00:24:04,210 THEY DIDN'T. 809 00:24:04,210 --> 00:24:05,170 IN FACT, THIS YEAR YOU SAW IN 810 00:24:05,170 --> 00:24:06,250 THE HOUSE IN PARTICULAR A NUMBER 811 00:24:06,250 --> 00:24:08,060 OF REPUBLICANS WHO FELT 812 00:24:08,060 --> 00:24:09,240 COMPELLED TO VOTE WITH THEIR 813 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,180 DISTRICTS, PARTICULARLY UP IN 814 00:24:11,180 --> 00:24:13,140 LAKE COUNTY, NORTHWEST INDIANA. 815 00:24:13,140 --> 00:24:15,250 AND THEY VOTED -- 816 00:24:15,250 --> 00:24:17,280 13 OF THEM, RIGHT, THAT SPLIT 817 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,110 WITH THEIR PARTY. 818 00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:20,000 A GREAT NUMBER. 819 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,100 SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE 820 00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:24,020 SUPER MAJORITY BECAUSE A LOT OF 821 00:24:24,020 --> 00:24:25,080 THE NEWER REPUBLICANS, THE NEW 822 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,290 REPUBLICANS FROM LAKE COUNTY, 823 00:24:26,290 --> 00:24:28,020 DIDN'T SUPPORT THE MAJORITY OF 824 00:24:28,020 --> 00:24:30,080 THE CAUCUS ON THIS PARTICULAR 825 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:30,240 ISSUE. 826 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,230 HOW DID THIS END UP, THIS 827 00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:33,030 SESSION? 828 00:24:33,030 --> 00:24:34,230 I THINK WHAT YOU MAY WANT TO 829 00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:36,120 DO IS TAKE A LOOK AT THE BILL 830 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:38,200 THAT WAS ORIGINALLY INTRODUCED 831 00:24:39,220 --> 00:24:42,220 IN THE HOUSE BY REPRESENTATIVE 832 00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:45,150 DAVE OB ERIN ADIDN'T GET A 833 00:24:45,150 --> 00:24:46,270 HEARING AND SET THE PROJECTS 834 00:24:46,270 --> 00:24:48,040 THAT WOULD COME UNDER 835 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,160 JURISDICTION OF THE COMMON 836 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,250 CONSTRUCTION WAGE BILL, THESE 837 00:24:50,250 --> 00:24:51,070 AGREEMENTS. 838 00:24:51,070 --> 00:24:52,100 AND RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT 839 00:24:52,100 --> 00:24:54,190 PROJECTS THAT ARE 350,000 OR 840 00:24:54,190 --> 00:24:55,250 OVER THAT ARE SUBJECT TO THE 841 00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:56,030 LAW. 842 00:24:56,030 --> 00:24:57,160 AND I THINK MAYBE YOU'LL SEE 843 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,130 THAT BUMPED UP A LITTLE BIT MORE 844 00:25:02,210 --> 00:25:05,210 TO THE OVER LAY LIMITS OF 845 00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:06,190 $1 MILLION AND PEOPLE WILL BE 846 00:25:06,190 --> 00:25:08,040 HAPPY ABOUT THE RESULT THERE AND 847 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,230 WILLING TO COMPROMISE AT THIS 848 00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:10,020 LEVEL. 849 00:25:10,020 --> 00:25:11,050 YOU THINK THIS WILL END UP IN 850 00:25:11,050 --> 00:25:11,260 COMPROMISE EVEN THOUGH THE 851 00:25:11,260 --> 00:25:13,000 NUMBERS ARE THERE TO GET THIS 852 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,060 DONE APPARENTLY? 853 00:25:14,060 --> 00:25:14,270 ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. 854 00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:17,270 IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE AVOIDING A 855 00:25:17,270 --> 00:25:19,110 SUMMER STUDY THAT SOME PEOPLE 856 00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:20,280 WANTED AND OTHERS DIDN'T AND IT 857 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,120 LOOKS LIKE WE WILL END UP WITH 858 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:24,270 SOMETHING BUT WITH A MUCH HIGHER 859 00:25:24,270 --> 00:25:27,080 LEVEL THAN WE'VE GOT TODAY AND I 860 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,060 THINK PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES WILL 861 00:25:29,060 --> 00:25:31,200 WALK AWAY RELATIVELY SATISFIED. 862 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,160 AND POLITICAL FALLOUT, DOES 863 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,100 THIS MOBILIZE ORGANIZED LABOR? 864 00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:37,160 WELL, I THINK CERTAINLY, TO 865 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,130 THE EXTENT THAT THEY WANT TO 866 00:25:39,130 --> 00:25:40,130 MOBILIZE THEIR MEMBERS THEY'LL 867 00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:41,280 BE ABLE TO USE THIS AS SOMETHING 868 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,160 TO GET THEM GOING BUT I DON'T 869 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,140 THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A REAL 870 00:25:45,140 --> 00:25:47,050 CATALYST STATE-WIDE AND IT'S 871 00:25:47,050 --> 00:25:48,030 CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE 872 00:25:48,030 --> 00:25:49,290 SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HURT 873 00:25:49,290 --> 00:25:51,020 THE REPUBLICANS IN GENERAL 874 00:25:51,020 --> 00:25:51,120 EITHER. 875 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:52,010 VERY GOOD, ED. 876 00:25:57,100 --> 00:26:00,100 AS ALWAYS, APPRECIATE YOUR 877 00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:00,200 INSIGHT. 878 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,140 FOR MORE INFORMATION, EPISODE 879 00:26:01,140 --> 00:26:02,050 STREAMS, AND EXTRA CONTENT, 880 00:26:02,050 --> 00:26:02,230 VISIT US ON THE NET AT 881 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,200 WFYI.ORG/LAWMAKERS. 882 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,110 YOU CAN ACCESS LIVE STREAMING 883 00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:08,030 COVERAGE OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY 884 00:26:08,030 --> 00:26:08,210 ON THE INTERNET AS WELL. 885 00:26:08,210 --> 00:26:09,120 AND, REMEMBER, YOU CAN GET OUR 886 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:10,030 SHOW ON DEMAND FROM XFINITY 887 00:26:10,030 --> 00:26:10,220 AND BRIGHTHOUSE NETWORKS. 888 00:26:10,220 --> 00:26:11,140 WELL, THAT CONCLUDES ANOTHER 889 00:26:11,140 --> 00:26:12,060 EDITION OF "INDIANA LAWMAKERS." 890 00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:12,250 I'M JON SCHWANTES, AND, ON 891 00:26:12,250 --> 00:26:13,170 BEHALF OF WFYI PUBLIC MEDIA AND 892 00:26:13,170 --> 00:26:14,050 INDIANA'S OTHER PUBLIC- 893 00:26:14,050 --> 00:26:14,260 BROADCASTING STATIONS, I THANK 894 00:26:14,260 --> 00:26:15,120 YOU FOR JOINING US. 895 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:16,010 AND I INVITE YOU TO VISIT 896 00:26:16,010 --> 00:26:16,200 WFYI.ORG FOR EXCLUSIVE WEB 897 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,100 CONTENT, INCLUDING THE BEST 898 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:18,000 ADVICE OUR GUESTS HAVE EVER 899 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,070 RECEIVED.