WEBVTT 00:03.200 --> 00:06.200 align:start WHAT'S SHAPING UP TO BE ONE 00:06.200 --> 00:07.240 align:start OF THE MOST DIVISIVE ISSUES OF 00:07.240 --> 00:08.230 align:start THE 2015 GENERAL ASSEMBLY WASN'T 00:10.140 --> 00:13.140 align:start EVEN ON THE RADAR WHEN THE 00:13.140 --> 00:14.120 align:start SESSION BEGAN BACK IN JANUARY. 00:14.120 --> 00:15.290 align:start INDIANA'S SO-CALLED "COMMON 00:15.290 --> 00:17.120 align:start CONSTRUCTION WAGE" HAS BEEN 00:17.120 --> 00:18.150 align:start AROUND, IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER, 00:18.150 --> 00:19.070 align:start SINCE 1935, SO THE EFFORT TO DO 00:19.070 --> 00:20.220 align:start AWAY WITH IT CAME AS A SURPRISE 00:20.220 --> 00:21.130 align:start TO GROUPS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE 00:21.130 --> 00:23.080 align:start ISSUE. 00:23.080 --> 00:24.220 align:start HI, I'M JON SCHWANTES, AND ON 00:24.220 --> 00:26.200 align:start THIS EDITION OF "INDIANA 00:26.200 --> 00:27.120 align:start LAWMAKERS," WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO 00:27.120 --> 00:28.100 align:start BRING YOU UP TO SPEED ON THE 00:28.100 --> 00:29.160 align:start RAPIDLY UNFOLDING DISPUTE. 00:29.160 --> 00:32.000 align:start HERE'S JILL SHERIDAN OF WFYI 00:33.060 --> 00:36.060 align:start NEWS WITH ADDITIONAL DETAILS. 00:36.060 --> 00:37.250 align:start THE RIGHT TO WORK PROPOSAL 00:39.060 --> 00:42.060 align:start ROCKED THE INDIANA STATEHOUSE IN 00:42.060 --> 00:42.280 align:start 2011, WHEN THOUSANDS OF UNION 00:42.280 --> 00:43.240 align:start WORKERS DESCENDED HERE AND 00:43.240 --> 00:44.160 align:start DEMOCRATS WALKED OUT FOR OVER A 00:44.160 --> 00:45.140 align:start MONTH. 00:45.140 --> 00:46.280 align:start THIS SESSION THE DEBATE OVER A 00:46.280 --> 00:47.180 align:start MEASURE THAT COULD AFFECT 00:47.180 --> 00:48.090 align:start SKILLED WORKERS IN INDIANA IS 00:48.090 --> 00:49.280 align:start JUST HEATING UP. 00:49.280 --> 00:51.240 align:start INDIANA'S COMMON CONSTRUCTION 00:51.240 --> 00:52.160 align:start WAGE, ALSO KNOWN AS A PREVAILING 00:52.160 --> 00:54.270 align:start WAGE, SETS PAY RATES FOR PUBLIC 00:54.270 --> 00:57.210 align:start WORKS PROJECTS COSTING OVER 00:57.210 --> 00:58.270 align:start $350,000, INCLUDING JOBS LIKE 00:58.270 --> 01:01.170 align:start SCHOOLS AND ROADS. 01:01.170 --> 01:02.210 align:start A COUNTY COMMITTEE SETS THE 01:02.210 --> 01:03.200 align:start WAGES BASED ON PAST JOBS AND 01:03.200 --> 01:04.110 align:start WHAT OTHER SKILLED WORKERS IN 01:05.260 --> 01:08.260 align:start THE AREA ARE MAKING. 01:08.260 --> 01:09.230 align:start HOUSE BILL 1019 WOULD REPEAL THE 01:09.230 --> 01:11.020 align:start 80-YEAR-OLD COMMON CONSTRUCTION 01:11.020 --> 01:11.240 align:start WAGE LAW, A MOVE THAT OPPONENTS 01:11.240 --> 01:12.130 align:start SAY WILL HURT THE HOOSIER 01:12.130 --> 01:14.240 align:start CONSTRUCTION MARKET. 01:14.240 --> 01:16.020 align:start PAUL NYSEWANDER, INDIANA MASON 01:16.020 --> 01:17.270 align:start CONTRACTORS ASSOCIATION, 01:17.270 --> 01:19.050 align:start EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, SAYS THE 01:19.050 --> 01:19.250 align:start CURRENT LAW IS GOOD FOR THE 01:19.250 --> 01:22.210 align:start HOOSIER STATE. 01:22.210 --> 01:24.080 align:start STUDIES SHOW THAT STATES WITH 01:24.080 --> 01:25.190 align:start A COMMON CONSTRUCTION WAGE LAW 01:26.190 --> 01:29.190 align:start HAVE MORE OF THEIR WORK 01:29.190 --> 01:30.060 align:start COMPLETED BY IN-STATE 01:32.030 --> 01:35.030 align:start CONTRACTORS. 01:35.030 --> 01:36.290 align:start THAN OTHER STATES WITHOUT A 01:36.290 --> 01:38.060 align:start CONSTRUCTION WAGE LAW. 01:38.060 --> 01:39.030 align:start IN OTHER WORDS IF THIS LAW IS 01:39.030 --> 01:39.230 align:start REPEALED, WE'RE GOING TO SEE 01:39.230 --> 01:40.130 align:start INDIANA TAX DOLLARS PAID TO 01:40.130 --> 01:41.040 align:start OUT-OF-STATE CONTRACTORS TO DO 01:41.040 --> 01:41.250 align:start INDIANA JOBS, AND THAT'S JUST 01:43.000 --> 01:46.000 align:start NOT RIGHT. 01:46.000 --> 01:48.150 align:start 1019 COULD SAVE TAXPAYERS UP TO 01:48.150 --> 01:49.050 align:start SUPPORTERS SAY HOUSE BILL 01:49.050 --> 01:49.270 align:start 1019 COULD SAVE TAXPAYERS UP TO 01:49.270 --> 01:50.180 align:start 20% ON STATE-FUNDED PROJECTS, 01:50.180 --> 01:51.080 align:start BUT OPPONENTS SAY THAT'S NOT 01:51.080 --> 01:52.000 align:start POSSIBLE BECAUSE LABOR MAKES UP 01:52.000 --> 01:53.060 align:start ONLY A QUARTER OF OVERALL COSTS. 01:53.060 --> 01:54.050 align:start BUT, J.R. GAYLOR, PRESIDENT OF 01:54.050 --> 01:55.110 align:start ASSOCIATED BUILDERS AND 01:55.110 --> 01:56.180 align:start CONTRACTORS OF INDIANA SAYS THE 01:56.180 --> 01:58.040 align:start SAVINGS ARE STILL ENOUGH TO 01:58.040 --> 02:01.040 align:start JUSTIFY A REPEAL. 02:04.250 --> 02:07.250 align:start WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE TO PAY 02:07.250 --> 02:08.160 align:start AN ARBITRARY PREMIUM WHEN, IN 02:08.160 --> 02:09.180 align:start FACT, THE BUILDING IS BUILT, 02:09.180 --> 02:10.110 align:start JUST LIKE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, 02:12.210 --> 02:15.210 align:start WITH TRAINED PEOPLE, SAFE 02:15.210 --> 02:16.130 align:start PEOPLE, BONDING, BUT YET THERE'S 02:16.130 --> 02:17.040 align:start THIS PREMIUM OF COSTS ADDED TO 02:17.040 --> 02:17.180 align:start THESE PROJECTS. 02:17.180 --> 02:18.090 align:start SO THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE 02:18.090 --> 02:18.290 align:start THINK NEEDS TO BE REPEALED. 02:18.290 --> 02:19.270 align:start THOUGH THE ISSUE MAY NOT BE 02:19.270 --> 02:21.150 align:start AS VOLATILE AS RIGHT TO WORK, 02:21.150 --> 02:22.070 align:start MORE UNION PROTESTS COULD BE IN 02:22.070 --> 02:22.280 align:start STORE BEFORE THE SESSION WRAPS 02:23.260 --> 02:26.260 align:start UP. 02:26.260 --> 02:29.050 align:start THE COMMON CONSTRUCTION WAGE 02:29.050 --> 02:32.020 align:start BILL PASSED THE HOUSE LAST 02:32.020 --> 02:32.220 align:start MONTH AND WAS REFERRED TO A 02:32.220 --> 02:33.070 align:start SENATE COMMITTEE. 02:33.070 --> 02:33.250 align:start A HEARING HAS YET TO BE 02:33.250 --> 02:34.060 align:start SCHEDULED. 02:34.060 --> 02:34.260 align:start FOR "INDIANA LAWMAKERS," I'M 02:34.260 --> 02:35.090 align:start JILL SHERIDAN. 02:35.090 --> 02:35.250 align:start THANKS, JILL. 02:35.250 --> 02:36.190 align:start BACK IN A MOMENT WITH OUR WEEKLY 02:36.190 --> 02:39.040 align:start ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION. 02:39.040 --> 02:40.140 align:start "INDIANA LAWMAKERS" FROM THE 03:09.040 --> 03:09.240 align:start THE CONCEPT OF REQUIRING 03:09.240 --> 03:10.150 align:start CONTRACTORS TO PAY LOCALLY SET 03:10.150 --> 03:11.240 align:start WAGES FOR WORK DONE ON PUBLIC 03:11.240 --> 03:13.190 align:start PROJECTS IS WELL ESTABLISHED. 03:13.190 --> 03:15.250 align:start CONGRESS EMBRACED THE APPROACH 03:15.250 --> 03:18.030 align:start IN 1931 WITH THE PASSAGE OF THE 03:18.030 --> 03:20.060 align:start DAVIS-BACON ACT, AND, BY THE 03:20.060 --> 03:21.100 align:start LATE 1970S, ALL BUT A HANDFUL OF 03:22.130 --> 03:25.130 align:start STATES HAD ADOPTED SIMILAR 03:25.130 --> 03:26.060 align:start MEASURES -- SOMETIMES REFERRED 03:26.060 --> 03:28.130 align:start TO AS LITTLE DAVIS-BACON LAWS. 03:28.130 --> 03:29.060 align:start IN THE 1980S, HOWEVER, STATES 03:29.060 --> 03:29.240 align:start BEGAN TO REPEAL THE WAGE 03:29.240 --> 03:31.240 align:start GUIDELINES. 03:31.240 --> 03:33.220 align:start 32 STATES STILL HAVE 03:33.220 --> 03:35.060 align:start PREVAILING-WAGE REQUIREMENTS ON 03:35.060 --> 03:36.180 align:start THE BOOKS, BUT THE MEASURES ARE 03:36.180 --> 03:37.210 align:start CURRENTLY UNDER ATTACK IN A 03:37.210 --> 03:38.260 align:start NUMBER OF STATES, INCLUDING 03:38.260 --> 03:39.170 align:start MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, AND WEST 03:39.170 --> 03:41.200 align:start VIRGINIA. 03:41.200 --> 03:43.280 align:start HERE TO DISCUSS THE REPEAL 03:43.280 --> 03:46.120 align:start DEBATE NOW RAGING IN INDIANA ARE 03:46.120 --> 03:47.180 align:start REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE JERRY 03:47.180 --> 03:50.090 align:start TORR OF CARMEL, THE AUTHOR OF 03:50.090 --> 03:52.120 align:start HOUSE BILL 1019, WHICH WOULD DO 03:52.130 --> 03:55.150 align:start AWAY WITH THE STATE'S COMMON 03:55.150 --> 03:56.120 align:start CONSTRUCTION WAGE. 03:56.120 --> 03:57.050 align:start DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE DAVID 03:57.050 --> 03:58.060 align:start NIEZGODSKI OF SOUTH BEND, 03:58.230 --> 04:01.230 align:start CO-OWNER OF A THIRD-GENERATION 04:01.230 --> 04:02.160 align:start PLUMBING BUSINESS AND A STAUNCH 04:02.160 --> 04:03.200 align:start SUPPORTER OF ORGANIZED LABOR. 04:03.200 --> 04:06.020 align:start KEVIN BRINEGAR, PRESIDENT AND 04:06.020 --> 04:07.020 align:start CEO OF THE INDIANA CHAMBER OF 04:07.020 --> 04:08.210 align:start COMMERCE, WHICH HAS ADDED HOUSE 04:08.210 --> 04:09.200 align:start BILL 1019 TO ITS LEGISLATIVE 04:09.200 --> 04:12.150 align:start AGENDA. 04:12.150 --> 04:13.060 align:start AND, REPRESENTING THE INDIANA 04:13.060 --> 04:15.000 align:start BUILDING CONTRACTORS ALLIANCE, 04:15.000 --> 04:16.210 align:start JEFF HAGERMAN, CHAIRMAN OF THE 04:16.210 --> 04:17.240 align:start HAGERMAN GROUP, A 107-YEAR-OLD 04:17.240 --> 04:18.240 align:start PRIVATELY OWNED CONSTRUCTION 04:18.240 --> 04:19.170 align:start COMPANY WITH OFFICES IN FISHERS 04:20.270 --> 04:23.270 align:start AND FORT WAYNE. 04:23.270 --> 04:26.110 align:start AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING 04:26.110 --> 04:26.200 align:start HERE. 04:26.200 --> 04:28.030 align:start YOU'RE GOING TO DO MOST OF THE 04:28.030 --> 04:29.060 align:start TALKING BECAUSE MY VOICE IS 04:29.060 --> 04:31.000 align:start GOING TO GIVE OUT AT SOME POINT. 04:31.000 --> 04:33.100 align:start WE'LL START WITH YOU, WHY AFTER 04:33.100 --> 04:36.040 align:start 80 YEARS HAS THIS LAW BEEN ON 04:36.060 --> 04:39.060 align:start THE BOOKS? 04:39.060 --> 04:40.190 align:start GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN UNDER 04:40.190 --> 04:42.090 align:start PRESSURE WITH PROPERTY TAX CAPS, 04:42.090 --> 04:44.050 align:start THEY NEED TO SCRAPE FOR EVERY 04:44.050 --> 04:45.080 align:start DIME THEY HAVE. 04:45.080 --> 04:47.110 align:start WE HEARD TESTIMONY IN COMMITTEE 04:47.110 --> 04:50.020 align:start IT'S NOT SAFE R SAVE MONEY BY 04:50.020 --> 04:51.040 align:start ADOPTING A COMMON CONSTRUCTION 04:51.040 --> 04:52.170 align:start WAGE, IT'S NOT THAT THAT MONEY 04:52.170 --> 04:55.010 align:start WILL BE SAVED SO MUCH AS THEY'LL 04:55.010 --> 04:56.100 align:start BE ABLE TO DO MORE PROJECTS 04:56.100 --> 04:57.250 align:start BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE PROJECTS 04:57.250 --> 04:59.280 align:start CURRENTLY THAN THEY CAN AFFORD 04:59.280 --> 05:00.290 align:start AT MANY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. 05:00.290 --> 05:02.120 align:start AND THE FIGURE THAT YOU'VE 05:02.120 --> 05:05.020 align:start USED ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS THIS 05:05.020 --> 05:07.170 align:start SESSION IS 10-20%, IS THAT -- 05:07.170 --> 05:08.190 align:start THE EXPERIENCE WE'VE SEEN 05:08.190 --> 05:10.110 align:start WHAT'S HAPPENED, AS YOU 05:10.110 --> 05:12.180 align:start MENTIONED OTHER STATES REPEALED, 05:12.180 --> 05:14.130 align:start TENNESSEE REPEALED A FEW YEARS 05:14.130 --> 05:16.270 align:start AGO, OVER 10 YEARS AGO OHIO 05:16.270 --> 05:18.240 align:start APPEALED ITS PREVAILING WAGE FOR 05:18.240 --> 05:19.200 align:start PUBLIC SCHOOL PROJECTS SO WE'VE 05:19.200 --> 05:20.280 align:start GOT SOME PLACES TO LOOK AND SEE 05:20.280 --> 05:23.280 align:start WHAT THE EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN. 05:24.150 --> 05:27.150 align:start AND THAT'S JUST BEEN THE -- BEEN 05:27.150 --> 05:29.260 align:start THE NORM SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 05:29.260 --> 05:31.110 align:start 10-20% JUST BECAUSE OF MORE 05:31.110 --> 05:32.290 align:start COMPETITION, MORE FREE, 05:32.290 --> 05:33.210 align:start OPEN-MARKET BIDDING. 05:33.210 --> 05:34.170 align:start I'M GUESSING WE'RE GOING TO 05:34.170 --> 05:36.230 align:start HAVE A BATTLE OF NUMBERS AND 05:36.230 --> 05:37.180 align:start STATISTICS HERE BECAUSE PEOPLE 05:38.070 --> 05:41.070 align:start WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS, DAVID 05:41.070 --> 05:42.060 align:start NIEZGODSKI, ARE SAYING IT COULD 05:42.060 --> 05:44.260 align:start BE A HIT AS MUCH AS FACING 05:44.260 --> 05:46.240 align:start $20 MILLION IN TERMS OF NEGATIVE 05:46.240 --> 05:48.090 align:start IMPACT ON LOCAL COFFERS, THE 05:48.090 --> 05:50.080 align:start VERY PEOPLE, JERRY TORR, THAT 05:50.080 --> 05:52.190 align:start YOU SAY NEED THE EXTRA HELP. 05:52.190 --> 05:54.280 align:start WHICH IS IT? 05:54.280 --> 05:55.140 align:start YES, THANKS. 05:56.120 --> 05:59.120 align:start I THINK IT SHOULD BE A -- IT 05:59.120 --> 06:01.210 align:start COULD BE A BIGGER HIT THAN THAT. 06:02.080 --> 06:05.080 align:start THE WAY IT IS IT EMPLOYS LOWER 06:05.080 --> 06:06.030 align:start CONTRACTORS, LOCAL EMPLOYEES AND 06:06.030 --> 06:08.050 align:start PUTS THEM TO WORK IN LOCAL 06:08.050 --> 06:09.230 align:start COMMUNITIES WHICH HAS THEM SPEND 06:09.230 --> 06:10.230 align:start THEIR DOLLARS IN LOCAL 06:10.230 --> 06:11.050 align:start COMMUNITIES. 06:11.050 --> 06:12.240 align:start IF THAT DOESN'T TAKE PLACE AND 06:12.240 --> 06:14.170 align:start YOU GO SIMPLY FOR THE LOWEST BID 06:14.170 --> 06:17.100 align:start AND YOU DON'T HAVE A PREVAILING 06:17.100 --> 06:18.150 align:start WAGE THAT IS SET IN ACCORDANCE 06:18.150 --> 06:19.250 align:start TO A LOCAL COMMUNITY THEN YOU 06:19.250 --> 06:22.240 align:start HAVE A VERY STRONG CHANCE YOU'LL 06:22.240 --> 06:23.190 align:start HAVE OUT-OF-STATE CONTRACTORS 06:23.190 --> 06:25.140 align:start BIDDING FOR THESE JOBS, IN MANY 06:25.140 --> 06:26.280 align:start CASES WHEN THEY GET THOSE KIND 06:26.280 --> 06:29.040 align:start OF JOBS WHAT YOU START TO SEE 06:29.040 --> 06:30.160 align:start ALSO IS THE MISCLASSIFICATION OF 06:30.160 --> 06:30.270 align:start EMPLOYEES. 06:30.270 --> 06:33.050 align:start SO IF YOU'VE GOT OUT-OF-STATE 06:33.050 --> 06:34.170 align:start CONTRACTORS BRINGING 06:34.170 --> 06:35.080 align:start OUT-OF-STATE EMPLOYEES ON THE 06:35.080 --> 06:36.200 align:start JOB THE CONTRACTORS AREN'T 06:36.200 --> 06:38.290 align:start PAYING TAXES, IN MANY CASES THE 06:38.290 --> 06:41.050 align:start EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO GO BRACK 06:41.050 --> 06:43.120 align:start HOME AND NOT GOING TO PAY ANY 06:43.120 --> 06:44.180 align:start TAXES, YOU'VE GOT NOTHING THAT'S 06:44.180 --> 06:46.120 align:start GOING TO BE LEFT IN THE LOCAL 06:46.120 --> 06:47.230 align:start COMMUNITY. 06:47.230 --> 06:49.090 align:start PRESUMABLY THEY'LL PAY TAXES 06:49.090 --> 06:49.280 align:start BUT -- 06:49.280 --> 06:51.140 align:start PRESUMABLY BUT IN MANY CASES 06:51.140 --> 06:52.220 align:start THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. 06:52.220 --> 06:54.170 align:start BECAUSE IN MANY CASES THEY DON'T 06:54.170 --> 06:56.210 align:start REALIZE THEY'RE GETTING 1099 AND 06:56.210 --> 06:59.020 align:start AT THE END OF THE YEAR THEY 06:59.020 --> 07:00.120 align:start REALIZE, OH, MY GOSH TAX IS UPON 07:00.120 --> 07:00.200 align:start ME. 07:00.200 --> 07:03.180 align:start IN THE BOTTOM LINE LOSS OF TAX 07:03.180 --> 07:04.120 align:start REVENUE TO THE STATE AND THE 07:04.120 --> 07:05.180 align:start COMMUNITY AND IN THE END WHEN 07:05.180 --> 07:07.000 align:start THEY TALK ABOUT THE ARGUMENT ON 07:07.000 --> 07:08.190 align:start THE OTHER SIDE IT'S GOING TO 07:08.190 --> 07:09.280 align:start BENEFIT TAXPAYERS, I THINK 07:09.280 --> 07:12.110 align:start TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO BE THE 07:12.110 --> 07:13.200 align:start ONES LEFT HOLDING THE BAG AND 07:14.000 --> 07:17.000 align:start IT'S GOING TO BE EMPTY BAG AT 07:17.000 --> 07:17.170 align:start THE END OF THE DAY. 07:17.170 --> 07:19.040 align:start YOU MENTIONED THE 07:19.040 --> 07:20.110 align:start PREDOMINANCE OF LOCAL 07:20.110 --> 07:21.140 align:start INDIVIDUALS. 07:21.140 --> 07:23.050 align:start 96%, IS THAT THE FIGURE YOU'VE 07:23.050 --> 07:23.190 align:start USED? 07:23.240 --> 07:26.240 align:start I'VE SEEN THAT BANDIED ABOUT 07:26.240 --> 07:28.120 align:start CURRENTLY, 90% IN-STATE LABOR. 07:28.120 --> 07:29.060 align:start THAT CAN VARY. 07:29.060 --> 07:30.190 align:start IT'S SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING 07:30.190 --> 07:31.190 align:start YOU CAN TALK ABOUT BECAUSE ON A 07:31.190 --> 07:34.110 align:start LOT OF THESE PROJECTS PEOPLE 07:34.110 --> 07:35.130 align:start WILL ALLOW PROJECT LABOR 07:35.130 --> 07:36.280 align:start AGREEMENTS AND THERE'S BEEN A 07:36.280 --> 07:38.040 align:start LOT OF TALK ABOUT THAT ALSO. 07:38.040 --> 07:40.030 align:start THIS IS AN ASPECT THAT IS VERY, 07:40.030 --> 07:41.000 align:start VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE THAT'S 07:41.000 --> 07:42.270 align:start WHERE IT REALLY TAKES INTO THE 07:42.270 --> 07:45.270 align:start REAL NUTS AND BOLTS, IT'S NOT A 07:45.270 --> 07:48.030 align:start UNION OR NONUNION ISSUE 07:48.030 --> 07:48.210 align:start WHATSOEVER. 07:48.210 --> 07:49.260 align:start ON THESE LABOR AGREEMENTS 07:49.260 --> 07:51.060 align:start WHATEVER AGREEMENT IS STRUCK, 07:51.060 --> 07:53.240 align:start FRICTION THE INDY PROJECTS LIKE 07:53.240 --> 07:55.150 align:start THE ESKENAZI HOSPITAL, LUCAS 07:55.150 --> 07:57.120 align:start OIL, ON THOSE PROJECTS, 40% OF 07:57.120 --> 07:59.100 align:start THE CONTRACTORS ON THOSE JOBS 07:59.100 --> 08:01.100 align:start WERE NONUNION CONTRACTORS AND 08:01.100 --> 08:02.260 align:start THOSE CONTRACTORS ALSO WERE ABLE 08:02.260 --> 08:04.230 align:start TO UTILIZE THEIR OWN WORK 08:04.230 --> 08:05.030 align:start FORCES. 08:05.030 --> 08:07.000 align:start SO YOU -- IT'S AGREEMENT 08:07.000 --> 08:09.110 align:start WHATEVER YOU COME UP WITH TO DO. 08:09.110 --> 08:11.170 align:start THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT IS LOCAL 08:11.170 --> 08:13.220 align:start WAGES THAT ARE PREVAILING AND IN 08:13.220 --> 08:15.120 align:start THAT AREA FOR THE DOLLARS THAT 08:15.180 --> 08:18.180 align:start ARE SPENT ON THOSE PROJECTS. 08:18.180 --> 08:19.140 align:start WELL, ACTUALLY -- 08:19.140 --> 08:20.140 align:start ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD AND THEN 08:20.140 --> 08:22.220 align:start WE'RE GOING TO LET OUR OTHER 08:22.220 --> 08:24.100 align:start GUEST JUMP IN, GO AHEAD. 08:24.100 --> 08:26.240 align:start THERE IS REALLY NOTHING IN 08:26.240 --> 08:27.220 align:start THE CONSTRUCTION WAGE SYSTEM 08:27.220 --> 08:29.170 align:start THAT GUARANTEES OR EVEN BEGINS 08:29.170 --> 08:31.010 align:start TO ENSURE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE 08:31.010 --> 08:33.130 align:start LOCAL LABOR AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS, 08:33.130 --> 08:34.180 align:start THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. 08:34.180 --> 08:36.030 align:start AND THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE 08:36.030 --> 08:37.020 align:start MISCLASSIFICATION AND ALL OF 08:37.020 --> 08:38.040 align:start THAT, AGAIN, THAT HAS NOT BEEN 08:38.040 --> 08:39.050 align:start THE EXPERIENCE IN THE OTHER 08:39.050 --> 08:39.270 align:start STATES. 08:39.270 --> 08:41.200 align:start THE 90% FIGURE, IS THAT -- DO 08:41.200 --> 08:42.290 align:start YOU BUY THAT, THOUGH? 08:42.290 --> 08:44.250 align:start THAT TO DATE WE GENERALLY SEE 08:44.250 --> 08:47.110 align:start ABOUT 90% OF WORKERS ON THESE 08:47.210 --> 08:50.210 align:start PROJECTS THAT GO THROUGH THE 08:50.210 --> 08:53.170 align:start COMMON WAGE ESTABLISHMENT OF 08:53.170 --> 08:55.170 align:start THOSE -- THOSE WAGE SCALES THAT 08:55.170 --> 08:57.120 align:start THEY ARE, IN FACT, IN-STATE 08:57.120 --> 08:57.220 align:start WORKERS? 08:57.220 --> 08:59.000 align:start I SUSPECT THAT'S PROBABLY 08:59.000 --> 08:59.090 align:start TRUE. 08:59.090 --> 09:00.270 align:start WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS 09:00.270 --> 09:02.270 align:start LIKE LUCAS OIL AND ESKENAZI, A 09:02.270 --> 09:05.250 align:start LOT OF THINGS GOING ON, THERE 09:05.250 --> 09:07.040 align:start AREN'T ENOUGH WORKERS AND SO 09:07.040 --> 09:08.100 align:start THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO -- WHEN 09:08.100 --> 09:09.250 align:start YOU'VE GOT THAT KIND OF WORK 09:09.250 --> 09:11.040 align:start GOING ON THERE WILL ALWAYS BE 09:11.040 --> 09:12.210 align:start PEOPLE COMING FROM OUT OF STATE 09:12.210 --> 09:13.290 align:start TO WORK ON IT. 09:13.290 --> 09:15.080 align:start KEVIN BRINEGAR, THIS IS PART 09:15.080 --> 09:16.220 align:start OF YOUR ORGANIZATION'S AGENDA 09:16.220 --> 09:18.280 align:start NOW BUT IT WASN'T AS OF A FEW 09:18.280 --> 09:20.140 align:start MONTHS AGO. 09:20.140 --> 09:22.230 align:start THAT'S NOT CORRECT, JON. 09:22.230 --> 09:24.140 align:start WE HAVE POSITION CALLING FOR THE 09:25.000 --> 09:28.000 align:start REPEAL OF THIS LAW. 09:28.090 --> 09:31.090 align:start SINCE YOU WERE BORN, 09:31.090 --> 09:31.200 align:start BEFORE -- 09:31.200 --> 09:33.060 align:start AT LEAST -- 09:33.060 --> 09:34.080 align:start DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOING TO 09:34.080 --> 09:36.180 align:start HAPPEN THIS SESSION, RIGHT? 09:36.180 --> 09:38.180 align:start NO, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE IT AS 09:38.180 --> 09:41.040 align:start A POSITION, IF AN ISSUE COMES 09:41.040 --> 09:42.100 align:start UP, THEN WE MOVE ON IT. 09:42.100 --> 09:44.240 align:start TO TOUCH ON THE OUT-OF-STATE 09:44.240 --> 09:46.160 align:start WORKER ISSUE, IT'S CURIOUS TO ME 09:47.240 --> 09:50.240 align:start THAT THE CONCERN ABOUT IF WE 09:50.240 --> 09:53.110 align:start HAVE OPEN AND COMPETITIVE 09:53.110 --> 09:55.250 align:start BIDDING RATHER THAN 09:55.250 --> 09:56.150 align:start GOVERNMENT-MANDATED MINIMUM 09:56.180 --> 09:59.180 align:start WAGES TO BE PAID ON PUBLIC 09:59.180 --> 10:00.260 align:start CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, THAT 10:00.260 --> 10:02.120 align:start OUT-OF-STATE PEOPLE WILL COME 10:02.120 --> 10:04.150 align:start IN, WHEN WE HAD EIGHT TO 10 10:04.150 --> 10:05.240 align:start YEARS AGO THE THREE MASSIVE 10:05.240 --> 10:08.200 align:start PROJECTS HERE IN INDIANAPOLIS, 10:08.200 --> 10:10.230 align:start WE HAD JUST THE OPPOSITE HAPPEN, 10:10.230 --> 10:12.000 align:start WE HAD LUCAS OIL STADIUM, THE 10:12.000 --> 10:12.220 align:start CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION AND 10:12.220 --> 10:14.140 align:start THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW 10:14.140 --> 10:15.280 align:start INDIANAPOLIS AIRPORT, AND THOSE 10:16.020 --> 10:19.020 align:start WERE ALL SET AT THE UNION WAGE 10:19.020 --> 10:20.020 align:start WITH PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS 10:20.090 --> 10:23.090 align:start THAT LIMITED THE ABILITY OF 10:23.090 --> 10:24.090 align:start NONUNION CONTRACTORS TO 10:24.090 --> 10:25.080 align:start PARTICIPATE OTHER THAN ON THE 10:25.080 --> 10:26.150 align:start VERY SMALL PARTS 'CAUSE THERE 10:27.060 --> 10:30.060 align:start WAS A -- I THINK A $250,000 10:30.060 --> 10:32.120 align:start LIMIT, THEY RAN OUT OF UNION 10:32.120 --> 10:35.030 align:start WORKERS, AND INSTEAD OF GOING TO 10:35.030 --> 10:37.270 align:start SKILLED, ABLE-BODY HOOSIERS WHO 10:37.270 --> 10:40.120 align:start COULD HAVE -- WERE HERE AND 10:40.120 --> 10:42.070 align:start COULD HAVE WORKED ON THOSE 10:42.070 --> 10:44.170 align:start PROJECTS THEY BROUGHT IN SOME 10:44.170 --> 10:45.170 align:start 4,000 UNION WORKERS FROM 10:45.170 --> 10:46.260 align:start ILLINOIS, OHIO AND KENTUCKY AND 10:46.260 --> 10:48.170 align:start THEY TOOK OUR TAX DOLLARS BACK 10:52.190 --> 10:55.210 align:start TO THEIR STATES AND SPENT THEM. 10:55.210 --> 10:57.170 align:start FOURTH GENERATION OF YOUR 10:57.170 --> 10:58.290 align:start COMPANY'S LEADERSHIP, JEFF 10:58.290 --> 10:59.120 align:start HAGERMAN. 10:59.120 --> 11:01.200 align:start YOU DO THIS EVERY DAY, SOME 11:01.200 --> 11:03.020 align:start PEOPLE MIGHT SAY WHY WOULD HE BE 11:03.020 --> 11:05.150 align:start ON THE SIDE OPPOSING THIS? 11:05.150 --> 11:06.240 align:start BUT YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT YOUR 11:06.240 --> 11:08.040 align:start WORKFORCE, I PRESUME. 11:08.040 --> 11:08.290 align:start WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT IS A 11:08.290 --> 11:10.100 align:start BIG THING AND I'M GOING TO TOUCH 11:10.250 --> 11:13.250 align:start ON THAT, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON 11:13.250 --> 11:14.260 align:start KEVIN'S FACTS. 11:14.260 --> 11:15.280 align:start THE 4,000, I DON'T KNOW WHERE 11:15.280 --> 11:16.250 align:start THAT NUMBER CAME FROM. 11:16.250 --> 11:18.110 align:start I WAS A PART OF ALL OF THE 11:18.110 --> 11:19.220 align:start PROJECTS THAT KEVIN JUST 11:19.220 --> 11:20.280 align:start MENTIONED, AND THE MAJORITY OF 11:21.160 --> 11:24.160 align:start THE FOLKS ON THOSE PROJECTS WERE 11:24.160 --> 11:25.260 align:start HOOSIERS FOLK. 11:25.260 --> 11:28.140 align:start AND QUITE A FEW, AS DAVID 11:28.140 --> 11:30.020 align:start MENTIONED, IN NONUNION ENTITIES 11:30.020 --> 11:31.250 align:start BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE THE RIGHT 11:33.240 --> 11:36.240 align:start TO BE A PART OF P.L.A. PROJECTS, 11:36.240 --> 11:38.210 align:start SOME CHOSE NOT TO BECAUSE THEY 11:38.210 --> 11:40.060 align:start DECIDED TO FIGHT THAT 11:40.060 --> 11:40.260 align:start ARRANGE: THAT'S A BUSINESS 11:40.260 --> 11:42.140 align:start CHOICE THAT THEY MADE WHICH IS 11:42.140 --> 11:43.090 align:start UP TO THEM. 11:43.090 --> 11:44.170 align:start BUT YOU DON'T BUY THE NOTION 11:44.170 --> 11:47.130 align:start THAT THERE'S A LIMITED SUPPLY 11:47.130 --> 11:48.140 align:start OR -- 11:48.140 --> 11:49.010 align:start ABSOLUTELY NOT. 11:49.010 --> 11:51.110 align:start -- OR THERE'S ALMOST A NEED 11:51.110 --> 11:51.250 align:start TO GO OUTSIDE. 11:51.250 --> 11:54.000 align:start THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE, FROM 11:54.000 --> 11:55.160 align:start YOU MY PERSPECTIVE, THE 11:55.160 --> 11:56.220 align:start CHALLENGE WE HAVE MOVING FORWARD 11:56.220 --> 11:58.150 align:start IF THIS LAW GETS REPEALED IS 11:58.150 --> 12:00.280 align:start THAT WE HAVE SET A PRECEDENT 12:00.280 --> 12:03.010 align:start WITHIN THIS STATE. 12:03.010 --> 12:04.270 align:start WE HAVE -- WE ALREADY HAVE, AND 12:04.270 --> 12:07.220 align:start HAVE FOR 10-15 YEARS, STRUGGLED 12:07.220 --> 12:10.140 align:start TO FIND PEOPLE TO JOIN OUR WORK 12:10.140 --> 12:12.210 align:start FORCES AT THE SKILLED LEVEL. 12:13.120 --> 12:16.120 align:start THIS, TO ME, IS NOT A 12:16.120 --> 12:18.180 align:start UNION-NONUNION THING, IT NEVER 12:18.180 --> 12:19.170 align:start HAS BEEN. 12:19.170 --> 12:21.110 align:start I THINK THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT 12:21.110 --> 12:23.220 align:start ALL INDIANA CONTRACTORS 12:23.220 --> 12:25.030 align:start SIGNIFICANTLY, FROM A FEW 12:25.030 --> 12:25.280 align:start STANDPOINTS. 12:25.280 --> 12:28.030 align:start NUMBER ONE, THEY'RE GOING TO -- 12:28.030 --> 12:30.050 align:start AGAIN, WE'VE SET A PRECEDENT 12:30.190 --> 12:33.190 align:start WITH RESPECT TO TRAINING AND 12:33.190 --> 12:35.250 align:start DEVELOPING SKILLED LABOR, UNION 12:35.250 --> 12:37.210 align:start SITES WITH THE APPRENTICE 12:37.210 --> 12:40.020 align:start PROGRAM AS WELL AS THE NONUNION 12:40.020 --> 12:41.180 align:start SITES THAT I KNOW COMPANIES THAT 12:41.180 --> 12:43.050 align:start SPEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF 12:44.050 --> 12:47.050 align:start DOLLARS TO IMPROVE THEIR SKILLED 12:47.050 --> 12:47.290 align:start WORKFORCE. 12:47.290 --> 12:48.210 align:start $14 MILLION A YEAR IS THE 12:48.210 --> 12:50.200 align:start FIGURE I -- 12:50.200 --> 12:52.090 align:start $14 MILLION A YEAR 12:52.090 --> 12:53.190 align:start APPRENTICESHIP AND THOSE PEOPLE 12:53.190 --> 12:55.120 align:start ALSO OBTAIN A TWO-YEAR DEGREE 12:55.120 --> 12:56.110 align:start FROM IVY TECH ONCE THEY 12:56.110 --> 12:56.230 align:start GRADUATE. 12:56.230 --> 12:58.170 align:start SO WE'RE IMPROVING THE LIVES OF 12:58.170 --> 13:00.080 align:start HOOSIERS WHO ARE GOING TO STAY, 13:00.080 --> 13:03.060 align:start WORK, PAY TAXES WITHIN THE 13:03.060 --> 13:03.150 align:start STATE. 13:03.150 --> 13:04.260 align:start DOES THAT PROGRAM DISAPPEAR, 13:04.260 --> 13:06.080 align:start I MEAN, THAT APPRENTICESHIP -- 13:06.200 --> 13:09.200 align:start YOU JUST HAD YOUR 10,000th 13:09.200 --> 13:10.120 align:start GRADUATE, I BELIEVE, AT THE 13:10.120 --> 13:11.290 align:start STATEHOUSE RALLY LAST WEEK, DOES 13:11.290 --> 13:12.290 align:start THAT PROGRAM DISAPPEAR? 13:12.290 --> 13:13.130 align:start GO AHEAD. 13:13.130 --> 13:15.000 align:start I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK 13:15.000 --> 13:16.150 align:start THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT BECAUSE 13:16.150 --> 13:18.030 align:start RIGHT NOW WITH THE PREVAILING 13:18.030 --> 13:19.040 align:start WAGES, CONTRACTORS ARE THE ONES 13:19.040 --> 13:20.160 align:start THAT ARE PAYING FOR THE 13:20.160 --> 13:21.130 align:start APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS, THEY'RE 13:21.130 --> 13:23.040 align:start PAYING FOR THE EXTRA BENEFITS, 13:23.040 --> 13:24.140 align:start THEY'RE PAYING FOR HEALTH 13:24.140 --> 13:24.250 align:start INSURANCE. 13:24.250 --> 13:26.080 align:start ALL THOSE THINGS ARE COVERED 13:26.080 --> 13:28.020 align:start WITHIN THOSE WAGES. 13:28.020 --> 13:29.190 align:start AND, AS YOU SAID, $42 MILLION ON 13:29.190 --> 13:31.200 align:start AN ANNUAL BASIS ARE PUT INTO 13:31.200 --> 13:32.250 align:start TRAINING PROGRAMS. 13:32.250 --> 13:34.140 align:start THOSE DOLLARS ALL COME FROM 13:34.140 --> 13:35.010 align:start PREVAILING WAGES. 13:35.010 --> 13:37.090 align:start NOW, IF YOU DO AWAY WITH THAT, 13:37.090 --> 13:40.060 align:start AND YOU'RE GOING TO GO SIMPLY TO 13:40.060 --> 13:42.030 align:start WHAT THEY'RE REFERRING AS THE 13:42.030 --> 13:43.270 align:start LOWEST BID JOB THERE'S NO TALK 13:43.270 --> 13:45.150 align:start ABOUT ANYONE THAT'S GOING TO PUT 13:45.150 --> 13:46.250 align:start FORTH ANY DOLLARS FOR TRAINING, 13:46.250 --> 13:48.180 align:start THERE'S NO TALK WHATSOEVER 13:48.180 --> 13:48.280 align:start ABOUT -- 13:48.280 --> 13:49.290 align:start THIS IS WHAT I LOVE ABOUT 13:49.290 --> 13:51.050 align:start THIS, AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A 13:51.050 --> 13:52.150 align:start LOT OF MENTION ABOUT FREE MARKET 13:52.190 --> 13:55.210 align:start AND WE DO NOT LIVE IN A FREE 13:55.210 --> 13:57.060 align:start MARKET SOCIETY IN INDIANA TODAY. 13:57.060 --> 13:59.240 align:start I MEAN, THE PUBLIC BID LAWS 13:59.240 --> 14:02.030 align:start RESTRICT THE FREE MARKET 14:02.030 --> 14:02.160 align:start OPPORTUNITIES. 14:02.160 --> 14:04.100 align:start I MEAN, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO 14:04.190 --> 14:07.190 align:start PROVIDE A BOND AND YOU ARE ABLE 14:07.190 --> 14:09.070 align:start TO PROVIDE AND FILL OUT THE 14:09.070 --> 14:10.110 align:start PAPERWORK APPROPRIATELY, I DON'T 14:10.110 --> 14:11.290 align:start CARE WHERE YOU ARE IN THIS 14:11.290 --> 14:13.250 align:start COUNTRY, YOU CAN DO WORK IN 14:13.250 --> 14:14.050 align:start INDIANA. 14:14.050 --> 14:17.010 align:start NOW, IF YOU APPEAL THIS LAW -- 14:17.010 --> 14:18.290 align:start AND I'VE SEEN IT ACROSS THIS 14:18.290 --> 14:20.040 align:start COUNTRY -- THERE ARE A LOT OF 14:20.040 --> 14:22.230 align:start FIRMS OUT THERE THAT PAY 14:22.230 --> 14:24.040 align:start SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN NOT ONLY 14:24.040 --> 14:26.200 align:start THE UNION RATES, BUT THE 14:26.200 --> 14:29.050 align:start NONUNION RATES WITHIN THE STATE. 14:29.050 --> 14:30.030 align:start SO ALL CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES 14:30.070 --> 14:33.070 align:start ARE GOING TO SUFFER WHEN THE OUT 14:33.070 --> 14:35.160 align:start OF STATE INFLUX COMES IN, AND, 14:35.160 --> 14:36.070 align:start AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, 14:36.070 --> 14:38.220 align:start ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES FOR ME 14:38.220 --> 14:39.280 align:start WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. 14:39.280 --> 14:41.090 align:start RESPOND TO THAT. 14:41.090 --> 14:42.130 align:start IS WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT GOING 14:42.130 --> 14:43.060 align:start OUT THE WINDOW? 14:43.060 --> 14:45.260 align:start I MET WITH UNION CONTRACTORS, 14:45.260 --> 14:48.150 align:start JEFF WASN'T THERE BUT SOME OF 14:48.270 --> 14:51.270 align:start HIS BRETHREN LAST FALL AND ASKED 14:51.270 --> 14:53.130 align:start THEM HOW MUCH OF YOUR WORK IS 14:53.250 --> 14:56.250 align:start PRIVATE WORK AND IT VARIED BUT 14:56.250 --> 14:59.140 align:start IT WAS FROM ABOUT 50% TO 85. 14:59.140 --> 15:01.080 align:start AND THEY SAID, WELL, PRIVATE 15:01.080 --> 15:02.260 align:start DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE THE LOWEST 15:02.260 --> 15:03.040 align:start BID. 15:03.040 --> 15:05.120 align:start BUT LET'S FACE IT BUSINESS 15:05.120 --> 15:07.000 align:start PEOPLE WHO ARE BUILDING 15:07.000 --> 15:09.150 align:start BUILDINGS FOR THEIR BUSINESS ARE 15:09.150 --> 15:11.050 align:start USUALLY PRETTY COST-CONSCIOUS. 15:11.050 --> 15:12.260 align:start EVEN IN INDIANA WHERE -- LIKE IN 15:12.260 --> 15:15.000 align:start HAMILTON COUNTY WHERE THEY 15:15.000 --> 15:16.230 align:start TYPICALLY ADOPT A NONUNION WAGE 15:16.230 --> 15:19.010 align:start WITH THE WAGE PANEL YET THERE'S 15:19.010 --> 15:20.030 align:start STILL UNION CONTRACTORS THAT ARE 15:20.030 --> 15:21.170 align:start ABLE TO WIN THOSE BIDS AND I 15:21.170 --> 15:24.010 align:start THINK THAT WILL CONTINUE AND JON 15:24.010 --> 15:25.230 align:start SOMETHING ELSE I THINK IS 15:25.230 --> 15:26.210 align:start IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT 15:26.210 --> 15:28.230 align:start THEY ALSO HAVE THIS -- THE 15:28.230 --> 15:30.210 align:start UNIONS HAVE THIS MARKET RECOVERY 15:30.210 --> 15:32.110 align:start FUND, SOME OF THEM CALL IT. 15:32.110 --> 15:34.170 align:start IT GOES BY DIFFERENT NAMES. 15:34.180 --> 15:37.180 align:start BUT ON PUBLIC PROJECTS, THE 15:37.250 --> 15:40.250 align:start WORKERS PAY -- LAST CONTRACT I 15:40.250 --> 15:42.060 align:start SAW WAS AROUND A QUARTER. 15:42.060 --> 15:44.240 align:start BUT THEY PAY INTO A FUND THAT 15:44.240 --> 15:46.260 align:start THE UNION COLLECTS, AND THEN, 15:46.260 --> 15:48.220 align:start WHEN A UNION CONTRACTOR IS 15:49.170 --> 15:52.170 align:start BIDDING ON A PRIVATE JOB AND IT 15:52.170 --> 15:54.090 align:start HAS STIFF COMPETITION FROM A 15:54.090 --> 15:55.200 align:start NONUNION CONTRACTOR, THE UNION 15:55.200 --> 15:57.250 align:start WILL ALLOW THOSE FUNDS TO BE 15:57.250 --> 15:59.150 align:start USED TO SUBSIDIZE THE BID. 15:59.160 --> 16:02.160 align:start SO YOU LITERALLY HAVE TAXPAYERS 16:02.290 --> 16:05.290 align:start ON PUBLIC PROJECTS SUBSIDIZING 16:05.290 --> 16:07.040 align:start PRIVATE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. 16:07.040 --> 16:08.200 align:start ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. 16:08.200 --> 16:09.200 align:start THAT'S NOT TRUE. 16:09.200 --> 16:10.290 align:start AND I DEAL WITH MARKET RECOVERY 16:10.290 --> 16:11.280 align:start ON A LOT OF PROJECTS. 16:11.280 --> 16:13.060 align:start THAT'S NOT -- 16:13.060 --> 16:15.040 align:start I'VE HAD CONTRACTORS TELL 16:15.040 --> 16:16.160 align:start ME -- BUT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND 16:16.160 --> 16:18.140 align:start THE CONCEPT, I DON'T THINK. 16:18.140 --> 16:19.220 align:start THOSE DOLLARS ARE DOLLARS THAT 16:19.220 --> 16:21.160 align:start ARE GIVEN BY THOSE EMPLOYEES. 16:21.160 --> 16:23.070 align:start AND THOSE EMPLOYEES -- IN A LOT 16:23.070 --> 16:25.040 align:start OF CASES THEY WEREN'T MAKING 16:25.040 --> 16:26.020 align:start PREVAILING WAGES AT THE TIME. 16:26.020 --> 16:27.050 align:start IT MAY HAVE BEEN ON ANY OTHER 16:27.050 --> 16:29.060 align:start HOST OF JOBS THEY MADE, IT'S OFF 16:29.060 --> 16:31.000 align:start THEIR SALARY, THOSE EMPLOYEES 16:31.000 --> 16:32.050 align:start HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE 16:32.050 --> 16:33.230 align:start GOING TO CONTRIBUTE A LITTLE BIT 16:33.230 --> 16:35.050 align:start AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT BACK INTO 16:35.050 --> 16:36.220 align:start THE SYSTEM. 16:36.220 --> 16:37.280 align:start IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH 16:37.280 --> 16:39.150 align:start OTHER TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS WHICH I 16:39.150 --> 16:41.090 align:start THINK RAISES A REALLY GOOD POINT 16:41.090 --> 16:41.180 align:start HERE. 16:41.280 --> 16:44.280 align:start WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THINGS -- 16:44.280 --> 16:46.160 align:start USE UNION -- OR PRIVATE 16:46.160 --> 16:47.190 align:start PROJECTS, RIGHT? 16:47.190 --> 16:49.030 align:start ON ANY PROJECTS WHATSOEVER IN 16:49.030 --> 16:50.190 align:start A PERSON'S WAGE THAT DOESN'T 16:50.190 --> 16:51.280 align:start MEAN THEY'RE ALWAYS GETTING 16:51.280 --> 16:53.120 align:start PREVAILING WAGES, IF THEY'RE 16:53.120 --> 16:54.120 align:start GETTING NORMAL WAGES AND THEY 16:54.120 --> 16:57.070 align:start DECIDE THAT OUT OF MY HOURLY 16:57.070 --> 16:59.000 align:start TAKEIN I WANT TO PUT A QUARTER 16:59.000 --> 17:01.040 align:start OF EVERY HOUR INTO THAT TO HELP 17:01.040 --> 17:02.250 align:start FUND OUR WHOLE SYSTEM THAT'S NOT 17:02.250 --> 17:05.210 align:start A WAY TO OUTBID OR OUTCLASS 17:05.210 --> 17:06.150 align:start ANOTHER BIDDER. 17:06.150 --> 17:08.080 align:start THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT'S ABOUT. 17:08.080 --> 17:10.020 align:start WHAT I DO WANT TO RAISE HERE, 17:10.020 --> 17:11.230 align:start THOUGH, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT YOU 17:11.230 --> 17:13.270 align:start DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HURT 17:13.270 --> 17:15.180 align:start WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN 17:15.180 --> 17:17.180 align:start ULTIMATELY BECAUSE IF YOU -- 17:17.180 --> 17:20.160 align:start HOPEFULLY YOU WON'T DISAGREE, 17:20.160 --> 17:22.040 align:start NONPARTISAN ARM, LEGISLATIVE 17:22.040 --> 17:23.090 align:start SERVICES, HAS EVEN SAID RIGHT 17:23.090 --> 17:24.190 align:start NOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO BID THESE 17:24.190 --> 17:25.210 align:start PROJECTS IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY 17:25.210 --> 17:28.140 align:start HARD TO GET THE WINNING BID 17:28.140 --> 17:29.290 align:start UNLESS YOU LOWER WAGES. 17:29.290 --> 17:31.060 align:start LOWERING WAGES IS THE ONE TRUE 17:31.060 --> 17:32.270 align:start WAY YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE 17:32.270 --> 17:34.020 align:start LOWERING OF SAVINGS AND IF YOU 17:34.020 --> 17:36.100 align:start DO THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IN 17:36.100 --> 17:38.050 align:start LESS TAX DOLLARS IN THE STATE OF 17:38.050 --> 17:39.000 align:start INDIANA. 17:39.000 --> 17:40.210 align:start AND L.S.A. EVEN SUGGESTED IF 17:40.210 --> 17:42.090 align:start THAT HAPPENS THAT THERE WILL BE 17:42.090 --> 17:43.250 align:start LESS TAX REVENUE COMING INTO THE 17:43.250 --> 17:44.160 align:start STATE OF INDIANA. 17:44.160 --> 17:45.190 align:start WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT CASE? 17:45.190 --> 17:47.230 align:start WHERE DO WE GO? 17:47.230 --> 17:48.160 align:start NOT ME. 17:49.120 --> 17:52.120 align:start BUT YOU WOULD AGREE THERE 17:52.120 --> 17:52.220 align:start ARE -- 17:52.220 --> 17:54.060 align:start WHERE DO THOSE DOLLARS COME 17:54.060 --> 17:56.030 align:start FROM, THEY COME FROM TAX 17:56.030 --> 17:57.100 align:start DOLLARS, THESE ARE PUBLICLY 17:57.100 --> 17:58.180 align:start FUNDED PROJECTS. 17:58.180 --> 18:00.190 align:start EVERY DOLLAR SPENT ABOVE MARKET 18:00.190 --> 18:03.020 align:start PRICE IS A -- THE DOLLAR, THE 18:03.020 --> 18:04.100 align:start TAX DOLLAR THAT ANOTHER BUSINESS 18:07.080 --> 18:10.080 align:start DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY THEIR PEOPLE 18:10.080 --> 18:12.060 align:start SALARIED BENEFITS, HEALTHCARE. 18:12.060 --> 18:14.080 align:start BUT WHAT IF IT DOES GO OUT OF 18:14.080 --> 18:16.060 align:start STATE AND IF THE WORKFORCE COMES 18:16.060 --> 18:17.180 align:start IN, THEN IT DOESN'T -- 18:17.180 --> 18:19.260 align:start I SPENT 12 YEARS ON THE 18:19.260 --> 18:20.160 align:start NOBLESVILLE SCHOOL BOARD AND 18:20.160 --> 18:23.000 align:start DURING THAT TIME I WAS THE 18:23.000 --> 18:25.100 align:start OWNERS' REPRESENTATIVE ON THE 18:25.100 --> 18:26.190 align:start COMMON CONSTRUCTION WAGE 18:26.190 --> 18:26.290 align:start HEARING. 18:26.290 --> 18:28.100 align:start IT WAS A RAPIDLY GROWING SCHOOL 18:28.100 --> 18:28.210 align:start DISTRICT. 18:28.210 --> 18:30.010 align:start WE DID A LOT OF PROJECTS DURING 18:30.010 --> 18:32.090 align:start THAT TIME. 18:32.090 --> 18:33.240 align:start AND WE CHOSE TO SET THE MINIMUM 18:34.110 --> 18:37.110 align:start TO BE PAID AT THE ABC RATE SO 18:37.110 --> 18:38.150 align:start THAT WE WOULD HAVE MORE FAIR, 18:38.150 --> 18:40.080 align:start OPEN AND COMPETITIVE BIDDING. 18:40.080 --> 18:41.200 align:start AND DURING THOSE 12 YEARS 18:42.010 --> 18:45.010 align:start LITERALLY HALF OF THE PROJECTS 18:45.010 --> 18:46.240 align:start WERE WON BY UNION CONTRACTORS, 18:46.240 --> 18:48.180 align:start THE OTHER HALF BY NONUNION 18:48.180 --> 18:51.160 align:start CONTRACTORS, AND MANY TIMES THE 18:52.050 --> 18:55.070 align:start WINNING BIDDER WAS PAYING WAGES, 18:55.070 --> 18:56.190 align:start AT LEAST FOR SOME OF THE 18:56.190 --> 18:59.030 align:start CATEGORIES, THAT WAS HIGHER THAN 18:59.030 --> 19:00.150 align:start THE MINIMUM THAT HAD BEEN 19:00.150 --> 19:01.220 align:start ESTABLISHED THROUGH THE 19:01.220 --> 19:02.090 align:start WAGE-SETTING PROCESS. 19:02.090 --> 19:03.200 align:start THE OTHER THING WE TALK ABOUT 19:03.200 --> 19:05.170 align:start WHAT -- THE COMMON WAGE LIKE 19:05.170 --> 19:07.260 align:start IT'S SOME MAGICAL THING. 19:07.260 --> 19:10.120 align:start EARLIER THIS YEAR ALLEN COUNTY 19:10.120 --> 19:12.160 align:start AND FORT WAYNE COMMUNITY SCHOOLS 19:12.160 --> 19:15.000 align:start HAD WAGE-SETTING HEARINGS OR 19:15.000 --> 19:16.120 align:start PROJECTS THEY WERE DOING ON THE 19:16.120 --> 19:18.140 align:start EXACT SAME DAY. 19:18.280 --> 19:21.280 align:start ALLEN COUNTY CHOSE THE ABC 19:22.040 --> 19:25.040 align:start RATES, FORT WAYNE COMMUNITY 19:26.100 --> 19:29.100 align:start SCHOOLS CHOSE THE FLCIO RATES, 19:30.190 --> 19:33.190 align:start FOR ELECTRICIANS IT WAS 56% FOR 19:33.190 --> 19:35.260 align:start UNSKILLED MILLWRIGHTS IT WAS 19:35.260 --> 19:36.050 align:start 106%. 19:36.050 --> 19:38.170 align:start SO WHICH ONE IS REALLY THE 19:38.170 --> 19:39.270 align:start COMMON WAGE. 19:39.270 --> 19:40.260 align:start STATE STATUTE. 19:41.050 --> 19:44.050 align:start YOU'VE GOT FIVE DIFFERENT -- 19:44.050 --> 19:44.290 align:start OF COURSE IT WAS 19:44.290 --> 19:46.050 align:start DETERMINED -- FROM MY EXPERIENCE 19:46.050 --> 19:48.150 align:start THAT THE COMMON WAGE IS WHATEVER 19:48.150 --> 19:51.150 align:start THE COMMITTEE SAYS IT IS, AND 19:51.150 --> 19:54.030 align:start THAT'S BEEN BACKED UP, AND WHAT 19:54.030 --> 19:56.030 align:start GETS ESTABLISHED IS TOTALLY 19:56.100 --> 19:59.100 align:start BASED ON WHO'S APPOINTED TO THAT 19:59.100 --> 19:59.210 align:start COMMITTEE. 19:59.250 --> 20:02.250 align:start AND OUR ONLY POSITION, IF I CAN 20:03.220 --> 20:06.220 align:start FINISH, IS THAT WE DON'T SET 20:06.220 --> 20:08.280 align:start MINIMUM PRICES TO BE PAID ON 20:08.280 --> 20:10.210 align:start CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, ON BUS 20:10.210 --> 20:12.210 align:start DRIVER SALARIES, ON COMPUTERS, 20:12.210 --> 20:14.230 align:start OR EVEN PAPER CLIPS. 20:14.230 --> 20:17.050 align:start SO WHY DO WE DO IT ON 20:17.050 --> 20:18.090 align:start CONSTRUCTION LABOR? 20:18.090 --> 20:20.090 align:start AND WE'RE ALL FOR THE TRAINING 20:20.090 --> 20:20.190 align:start PROGRAM. 20:20.190 --> 20:22.230 align:start WE RECOGNIZE THE TRAINING AND 20:22.230 --> 20:23.240 align:start THESE ARE OUTSTANDING PROGRAMS. 20:23.240 --> 20:24.270 align:start I'VE GONE TO VISIT THEM. 20:24.270 --> 20:26.250 align:start BUT THE QUESTION IS HOW SHOULD 20:27.100 --> 20:30.100 align:start THEY BE PAID FOR. 20:30.100 --> 20:31.130 align:start AND ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT 20:31.130 --> 20:33.100 align:start MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T BE PAID FOR 20:33.100 --> 20:35.110 align:start BY OVERCHARGING TAXPAYERS ON 20:35.110 --> 20:36.020 align:start PUBLIC CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, 20:36.020 --> 20:38.140 align:start BUT WE OUGHT TO DEAL WITH IT 20:38.140 --> 20:40.020 align:start STRAIGHT UP AND -- 20:40.020 --> 20:41.230 align:start BACK INTO THE LOCAL 20:41.230 --> 20:43.050 align:start COMMUNITIES AND SUPPORT THOSE 20:43.050 --> 20:45.290 align:start LOCAL COMMUNITIES, THOSE ARE NOT 20:45.290 --> 20:46.100 align:start TAXABLE -- 20:46.100 --> 20:47.260 align:start BUT WOULD THOSE TAX DOLLARS 20:47.260 --> 20:49.140 align:start BE BETTER SPENT BY LEAVING THEM 20:49.140 --> 20:51.230 align:start IN THE TAXPAYERS' POCKETS RATHER 20:51.230 --> 20:54.020 align:start THAN HAVING THEM PAY 20:54.020 --> 20:55.230 align:start ABOVE-MARKET PRICES FOR THE 20:55.260 --> 20:58.260 align:start PUBLIC CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. 20:58.260 --> 20:59.260 align:start ECONOMY GROW BY HAVING A 20:59.260 --> 21:01.240 align:start FLOOR SHOWING OF THE DOLLARS 21:01.240 --> 21:03.150 align:start WITHIN THE ECONOMIES AND WHEN 21:03.250 --> 21:06.250 align:start THE ECONOMIES -- 21:06.250 --> 21:07.220 align:start IN MY OPINION, I THINK WE'RE 21:07.220 --> 21:09.160 align:start SKEWING, WE'RE SKEWING THESE 21:09.160 --> 21:09.260 align:start DOLLARS. 21:09.260 --> 21:11.070 align:start I MEAN, WE'RE SKEWING THE 21:11.070 --> 21:11.190 align:start PERCENTAGES. 21:11.190 --> 21:13.040 align:start I THINK THESE STUDIES THAT HAVE 21:13.080 --> 21:16.080 align:start BEEN THROWN UP ARE INCLUSIVE, 21:16.080 --> 21:19.020 align:start THEY'VE ALL BEEN PROVEN TO BE 21:19.020 --> 21:20.050 align:start INCLUSIVE IN OTHER STATES. 21:20.050 --> 21:22.150 align:start IF YOU BID IN THESE OTHER STATES 21:22.150 --> 21:23.260 align:start NOBODY'S LOOKING AT THE TRUE 21:23.260 --> 21:24.270 align:start LIFE CYCLE COSTS OF THESE 21:24.270 --> 21:26.090 align:start BUILDINGS WHEN YOU HAVE LOWER 21:26.090 --> 21:27.240 align:start SKILLED PEOPLE BUILDING THESE 21:27.240 --> 21:28.280 align:start BUILDINGS AND YOU WILL HAVE 21:28.280 --> 21:29.090 align:start THAT. 21:29.090 --> 21:30.210 align:start IN OHIO THE QUALITY WENT UP. 21:30.210 --> 21:32.210 align:start THEY DID A SURVEY FIVE YEARS 21:32.210 --> 21:34.060 align:start AFTER THEIR REPEAL AND THERE WAS 21:34.060 --> 21:36.220 align:start A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE 21:36.220 --> 21:37.020 align:start QUALITY. 21:37.020 --> 21:39.040 align:start ARE THERE OTHER STATISTICS 21:39.040 --> 21:41.200 align:start WORKPLACE MISHAPS GO UP AS WELL? 21:41.200 --> 21:42.140 align:start SAFETY ISSUE. 21:42.140 --> 21:44.110 align:start ONE LAST THING I'M SAYING, I 21:44.110 --> 21:46.070 align:start KNOW WE'RE TIGHT ON TIME HERE. 21:48.020 --> 21:51.020 align:start HOW ARE WE GOING TO RECRUIT 21:51.020 --> 21:53.200 align:start PEOPLE INTO -- INDIANA, 21:53.200 --> 21:55.290 align:start HOOSIERS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO 21:55.290 --> 21:57.140 align:start RECRUIT THEM TO JOIN OUR 21:57.140 --> 21:59.100 align:start WORKFORCE AND HELP US BUILD 21:59.100 --> 21:59.280 align:start THOSE BUILDINGS. 21:59.280 --> 22:01.090 align:start WE'RE HAVING A TOUGH ENOUGH TIME 22:01.090 --> 22:03.120 align:start NOW, I KNOW THAT. 22:03.120 --> 22:04.170 align:start OFFER THEM A DECENT WAGE FOR 22:04.170 --> 22:06.110 align:start A HARD DAY'S WORK. 22:06.110 --> 22:07.200 align:start WELL, BUT SOMETHING LIKE 88% 22:07.200 --> 22:09.120 align:start OF ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION 22:09.120 --> 22:11.170 align:start WORKERS IN INDIANA ARE NOT UNION 22:15.130 --> 22:18.130 align:start AND SO SOMEHOW THEY'RE GETTING 22:18.130 --> 22:19.080 align:start RECRUITED. 22:19.080 --> 22:21.080 align:start WE'LL ALL COME BACK HERE AND 22:21.080 --> 22:22.130 align:start SEE WHO WAS RIGHT AND LINE UP 22:22.130 --> 22:23.250 align:start YOUR STATISTICS AND YOURS AND 22:23.250 --> 22:25.030 align:start WE'LL SEE WHO WAS RIGHT AND WHO 22:25.030 --> 22:25.290 align:start WAS WRONG. 22:25.290 --> 22:27.110 align:start OBVIOUSLY, IT'S AN IMPORTANT 22:27.110 --> 22:30.110 align:start ISSUE, ONE ABOUT WHICH MANY 22:30.110 --> 22:32.130 align:start PEOPLE VERY STRONGLY AND I THANK 22:32.130 --> 22:33.280 align:start YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TO SHARE 22:33.280 --> 22:36.210 align:start THE INSIGHT THAT YOU ALL HAVE ON 22:36.210 --> 22:37.230 align:start THIS ISSUE IN THE FINAL WEEKS 22:37.230 --> 22:40.040 align:start HERE OF THE SESSION PROMISES TO 22:43.020 --> 22:46.020 align:start BE INTERESTING. 22:46.020 --> 22:46.230 align:start AGAIN, MY GUESTS HAVE BEEN 22:46.230 --> 22:47.150 align:start REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE JERRY 22:47.150 --> 22:47.290 align:start TORR OF CARMEL. 22:47.290 --> 22:48.210 align:start DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE DAVID 22:48.210 --> 22:49.100 align:start NIEZGODSKI OF SOUTH BEND. 22:49.100 --> 22:50.010 align:start KEVIN BRINEGAR, PRESIDENT AND 22:50.010 --> 22:50.220 align:start CEO OF THE INDIANA CHAMBER OF 22:50.220 --> 22:51.030 align:start COMMERCE. 22:51.030 --> 22:51.240 align:start AND JEFF HAGERMAN, CHAIRMAN OF 22:51.240 --> 22:52.160 align:start THE HAGERMAN GROUP CONSTRUCTION 22:53.070 --> 22:56.070 align:start COMPANY. 22:56.070 --> 22:56.280 align:start THE SUBJECT IS SCHOOL 22:56.280 --> 22:57.180 align:start FUNDING. 22:57.180 --> 22:58.100 align:start SHOULD THE MONEY FOLLOW THE 22:58.100 --> 22:59.000 align:start STUDENT OR FOLLOW THE NEED? 22:59.000 --> 22:59.190 align:start WE'LL TAKE A COURSE ON THE 22:59.190 --> 23:00.140 align:start EDUCATION BUDGET ON THE NEXT 23:00.140 --> 23:03.050 align:start "INDIANA LAWMAKERS." 23:03.050 --> 23:03.270 align:start TIME NOW FOR OUR WEEKLY 23:03.270 --> 23:05.160 align:start DISCUSSION WITH ED FEIGENBAUM, 23:05.160 --> 23:06.200 align:start PUBLISHER OF THE NEWSLETTER 23:11.270 --> 23:14.270 align:start "INDIANA LEGISLATIVE INSIGHT." 23:14.270 --> 23:17.040 align:start ED, WHY NOW AFTER THE 80 23:17.040 --> 23:17.130 align:start YEARS. 23:17.130 --> 23:19.260 align:start WE'RE DOING ALL THE 80 YEAR 23:20.090 --> 23:23.090 align:start THINGS THIS YEAR, MUST BE A 23:24.160 --> 23:27.160 align:start CIRCADIAN CYCLE, THE SUNDAY 23:27.160 --> 23:29.180 align:start ALCOHOL SALES, THE RIVERBOAT 23:29.180 --> 23:31.200 align:start LAWS AFTER A COUPLE OF DECADES 23:31.200 --> 23:32.110 align:start OF EXPERIENCE. 23:32.110 --> 23:33.090 align:start IT SEEMS LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN 23:33.090 --> 23:35.040 align:start WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT WE 23:35.040 --> 23:36.060 align:start HAVEN'T REASSESSED IN QUITE A 23:36.060 --> 23:38.010 align:start BIT AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM. 23:38.010 --> 23:40.020 align:start AS TO THE SPECIFIC TIMING, I 23:40.020 --> 23:41.230 align:start DON'T THINK ANYBODY REALLY KNOWS 23:41.230 --> 23:42.020 align:start WHY -- 23:42.020 --> 23:42.240 align:start DO YOU THINK IT'S MORE OF 23:42.240 --> 23:44.010 align:start JUST A REASSESSMENT OR DO YOU 23:44.010 --> 23:45.200 align:start THINK IT'S THE FACT THAT PEOPLE 23:45.200 --> 23:47.160 align:start LOOK AT THE SUPER MAJORITY IN 23:47.160 --> 23:49.030 align:start BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE AND 23:49.030 --> 23:50.180 align:start SAY IF WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE 23:50.200 --> 23:53.220 align:start THIS IS THE TIME, OR IS IT A 23:53.220 --> 23:56.140 align:start MATTER OF PURE POLITICS OR 23:56.140 --> 23:56.240 align:start NUMBERS? 23:56.240 --> 23:58.270 align:start THIS COULD SOON DONE THIS AS 23:58.270 --> 23:59.250 align:start WELL IN THE PAST, THEY COULD 23:59.250 --> 24:01.270 align:start HAVE WRAPPED IT UP IN A NICE 24:01.270 --> 24:03.250 align:start PACKAGE WITH A NICE RED BOW BUT 24:03.250 --> 24:04.210 align:start THEY DIDN'T. 24:04.210 --> 24:05.170 align:start IN FACT, THIS YEAR YOU SAW IN 24:05.170 --> 24:06.250 align:start THE HOUSE IN PARTICULAR A NUMBER 24:06.250 --> 24:08.060 align:start OF REPUBLICANS WHO FELT 24:08.060 --> 24:09.240 align:start COMPELLED TO VOTE WITH THEIR 24:09.240 --> 24:11.180 align:start DISTRICTS, PARTICULARLY UP IN 24:11.180 --> 24:13.140 align:start LAKE COUNTY, NORTHWEST INDIANA. 24:13.140 --> 24:15.250 align:start AND THEY VOTED -- 24:15.250 --> 24:17.280 align:start 13 OF THEM, RIGHT, THAT SPLIT 24:17.280 --> 24:19.110 align:start WITH THEIR PARTY. 24:19.110 --> 24:20.000 align:start A GREAT NUMBER. 24:20.000 --> 24:22.100 align:start SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE 24:22.100 --> 24:24.020 align:start SUPER MAJORITY BECAUSE A LOT OF 24:24.020 --> 24:25.080 align:start THE NEWER REPUBLICANS, THE NEW 24:25.080 --> 24:26.290 align:start REPUBLICANS FROM LAKE COUNTY, 24:26.290 --> 24:28.020 align:start DIDN'T SUPPORT THE MAJORITY OF 24:28.020 --> 24:30.080 align:start THE CAUCUS ON THIS PARTICULAR 24:30.080 --> 24:30.240 align:start ISSUE. 24:30.240 --> 24:32.230 align:start HOW DID THIS END UP, THIS 24:32.230 --> 24:33.030 align:start SESSION? 24:33.030 --> 24:34.230 align:start I THINK WHAT YOU MAY WANT TO 24:34.230 --> 24:36.120 align:start DO IS TAKE A LOOK AT THE BILL 24:36.120 --> 24:38.200 align:start THAT WAS ORIGINALLY INTRODUCED 24:39.220 --> 24:42.220 align:start IN THE HOUSE BY REPRESENTATIVE 24:42.220 --> 24:45.150 align:start DAVE OB ERIN ADIDN'T GET A 24:45.150 --> 24:46.270 align:start HEARING AND SET THE PROJECTS 24:46.270 --> 24:48.040 align:start THAT WOULD COME UNDER 24:48.040 --> 24:49.160 align:start JURISDICTION OF THE COMMON 24:49.160 --> 24:50.250 align:start CONSTRUCTION WAGE BILL, THESE 24:50.250 --> 24:51.070 align:start AGREEMENTS. 24:51.070 --> 24:52.100 align:start AND RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT 24:52.100 --> 24:54.190 align:start PROJECTS THAT ARE 350,000 OR 24:54.190 --> 24:55.250 align:start OVER THAT ARE SUBJECT TO THE 24:55.250 --> 24:56.030 align:start LAW. 24:56.030 --> 24:57.160 align:start AND I THINK MAYBE YOU'LL SEE 24:57.160 --> 25:00.130 align:start THAT BUMPED UP A LITTLE BIT MORE 25:02.210 --> 25:05.210 align:start TO THE OVER LAY LIMITS OF 25:05.210 --> 25:06.190 align:start $1 MILLION AND PEOPLE WILL BE 25:06.190 --> 25:08.040 align:start HAPPY ABOUT THE RESULT THERE AND 25:08.040 --> 25:09.230 align:start WILLING TO COMPROMISE AT THIS 25:09.230 --> 25:10.020 align:start LEVEL. 25:10.020 --> 25:11.050 align:start YOU THINK THIS WILL END UP IN 25:11.050 --> 25:11.260 align:start COMPROMISE EVEN THOUGH THE 25:11.260 --> 25:13.000 align:start NUMBERS ARE THERE TO GET THIS 25:13.000 --> 25:14.060 align:start DONE APPARENTLY? 25:14.060 --> 25:14.270 align:start ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. 25:14.270 --> 25:17.270 align:start IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE AVOIDING A 25:17.270 --> 25:19.110 align:start SUMMER STUDY THAT SOME PEOPLE 25:19.110 --> 25:20.280 align:start WANTED AND OTHERS DIDN'T AND IT 25:20.280 --> 25:22.120 align:start LOOKS LIKE WE WILL END UP WITH 25:22.120 --> 25:24.270 align:start SOMETHING BUT WITH A MUCH HIGHER 25:24.270 --> 25:27.080 align:start LEVEL THAN WE'VE GOT TODAY AND I 25:27.080 --> 25:29.060 align:start THINK PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES WILL 25:29.060 --> 25:31.200 align:start WALK AWAY RELATIVELY SATISFIED. 25:31.200 --> 25:33.160 align:start AND POLITICAL FALLOUT, DOES 25:33.160 --> 25:35.100 align:start THIS MOBILIZE ORGANIZED LABOR? 25:35.100 --> 25:37.160 align:start WELL, I THINK CERTAINLY, TO 25:37.160 --> 25:39.130 align:start THE EXTENT THAT THEY WANT TO 25:39.130 --> 25:40.130 align:start MOBILIZE THEIR MEMBERS THEY'LL 25:40.130 --> 25:41.280 align:start BE ABLE TO USE THIS AS SOMETHING 25:41.280 --> 25:43.160 align:start TO GET THEM GOING BUT I DON'T 25:43.160 --> 25:45.140 align:start THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A REAL 25:45.140 --> 25:47.050 align:start CATALYST STATE-WIDE AND IT'S 25:47.050 --> 25:48.030 align:start CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE 25:48.030 --> 25:49.290 align:start SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HURT 25:49.290 --> 25:51.020 align:start THE REPUBLICANS IN GENERAL 25:51.020 --> 25:51.120 align:start EITHER. 25:51.120 --> 25:52.010 align:start VERY GOOD, ED. 25:57.100 --> 26:00.100 align:start AS ALWAYS, APPRECIATE YOUR 26:00.100 --> 26:00.200 align:start INSIGHT. 26:00.200 --> 26:01.140 align:start FOR MORE INFORMATION, EPISODE 26:01.140 --> 26:02.050 align:start STREAMS, AND EXTRA CONTENT, 26:02.050 --> 26:02.230 align:start VISIT US ON THE NET AT 26:03.200 --> 26:06.200 align:start WFYI.ORG/LAWMAKERS. 26:06.200 --> 26:07.110 align:start YOU CAN ACCESS LIVE STREAMING 26:07.110 --> 26:08.030 align:start COVERAGE OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY 26:08.030 --> 26:08.210 align:start ON THE INTERNET AS WELL. 26:08.210 --> 26:09.120 align:start AND, REMEMBER, YOU CAN GET OUR 26:09.120 --> 26:10.030 align:start SHOW ON DEMAND FROM XFINITY 26:10.030 --> 26:10.220 align:start AND BRIGHTHOUSE NETWORKS. 26:10.220 --> 26:11.140 align:start WELL, THAT CONCLUDES ANOTHER 26:11.140 --> 26:12.060 align:start EDITION OF "INDIANA LAWMAKERS." 26:12.060 --> 26:12.250 align:start I'M JON SCHWANTES, AND, ON 26:12.250 --> 26:13.170 align:start BEHALF OF WFYI PUBLIC MEDIA AND 26:13.170 --> 26:14.050 align:start INDIANA'S OTHER PUBLIC- 26:14.050 --> 26:14.260 align:start BROADCASTING STATIONS, I THANK 26:14.260 --> 26:15.120 align:start YOU FOR JOINING US. 26:15.120 --> 26:16.010 align:start AND I INVITE YOU TO VISIT 26:16.010 --> 26:16.200 align:start WFYI.ORG FOR EXCLUSIVE WEB 26:16.200 --> 26:17.100 align:start CONTENT, INCLUDING THE BEST 26:17.100 --> 26:18.000 align:start ADVICE OUR GUESTS HAVE EVER 26:18.000 --> 26:19.070 align:start RECEIVED.