1 00:00:04,190 --> 00:00:07,190 PERHAPS THE FIERCEST POLITICR 2 00:00:07,190 --> 00:00:09,290 WAS WAGED BY TWO ELECTED OFFICIE 3 00:00:09,290 --> 00:00:12,000 BALLOT IN 2014 -- REPUBLICAN GOD 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,130 DEMOCRATIC SUPERINTENDENT OF PU. 5 00:00:16,030 --> 00:00:19,030 BOTH TOOK OFFICE IN JANUARY 201, 6 00:00:19,030 --> 00:00:21,180 THEY'VE BEEN VYING FOR CONTROL N 7 00:00:21,180 --> 00:00:23,260 THE STATE. 8 00:00:23,260 --> 00:00:26,010 NOW THEIR FIGHT IS MOVING TO TH. 9 00:00:26,010 --> 00:00:27,080 HI, I'M JON SCHWANTES, AND ON TA 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:28,230 LAWMAKERS," WE'LL TAKE IN-DEPTHE 11 00:00:28,230 --> 00:00:31,080 BATTLE FOR THE FUTURE OF INDIAN. 12 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:32,290 BATTLE FOR THE FUTURE OF 13 00:00:32,290 --> 00:00:33,150 INDIANA'S SCHOOLS. 14 00:00:33,150 --> 00:00:35,280 HERE WITH A PRIMER ON THE ISSUE 15 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,100 IS ERIC WEDDLE, EDUCATION 16 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:40,050 REPORTER FOR WFYI PUBLIC MEDIA. 17 00:00:40,050 --> 00:00:41,160 LET'S GO ON WITH THE APPROVAL 18 00:00:41,160 --> 00:00:43,230 OF THE MINUTES, PLEASE. 19 00:00:43,230 --> 00:00:44,270 NO, I DON'T THINK WE NEED -- 20 00:00:45,070 --> 00:00:48,070 I THINK WE NEED TO FOLLOW OUR 21 00:00:48,070 --> 00:00:49,030 PROCEDURES. 22 00:00:49,030 --> 00:00:50,210 OUR MEETING PROCEDURES. 23 00:00:50,210 --> 00:00:53,030 YOUR RULING HAS BEEN APPEALED. 24 00:00:53,030 --> 00:00:54,270 ASK FOR THE RULING OF THE 25 00:00:54,270 --> 00:00:55,060 CHAIR. 26 00:00:57,290 --> 00:01:00,290 NOT A RULING THAT'S BEEN 27 00:01:00,290 --> 00:01:01,100 APPEALED. 28 00:01:01,100 --> 00:01:02,180 GLENDA RITZ CLASHED OVER 29 00:01:02,180 --> 00:01:05,000 BOARD GOVERNANCE ALMOST OVER THE 30 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,090 START. 31 00:01:06,090 --> 00:01:07,270 NUMEROUS BILLS SEEMED TO CHANGE 32 00:01:07,270 --> 00:01:10,030 HOW THE SUPERINTENDENT IS CHOSEN 33 00:01:10,230 --> 00:01:13,230 AND HOW THE BOARD OF EDUCATION. 34 00:01:14,170 --> 00:01:17,170 A BILL BY. 35 00:01:17,170 --> 00:01:18,290 LET'S ASSUME THAT 36 00:01:18,290 --> 00:01:20,210 SUPERINTENDENT RITZ IS REELECTED 37 00:01:20,210 --> 00:01:23,200 FOR ANOTHER FOUR-YEAR TERM, WE 38 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:24,290 CAN'T CONTINUE THIS DYSFUNCTION 39 00:01:24,290 --> 00:01:26,020 IN SIX YEARS. 40 00:01:26,020 --> 00:01:27,260 BUT NOT EVERYONE AGREES 41 00:01:27,260 --> 00:01:28,090 WITHHOLDMAN. 42 00:01:28,090 --> 00:01:29,260 SOME DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKERS ARE 43 00:01:29,260 --> 00:01:31,000 OPPOSED TO ANY CHANGES THAT 44 00:01:31,010 --> 00:01:34,010 WOULD ALTER RITZ'S CURRENT 45 00:01:34,010 --> 00:01:34,150 RESPONSIBILITY. 46 00:01:34,150 --> 00:01:36,230 DANIEL OLDMAN CALLED IT A 47 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:38,230 POLITICAL POWER GRAB. 48 00:01:38,230 --> 00:01:41,110 BUT HOLDMAN BELIEVES IT MUST BE 49 00:01:41,110 --> 00:01:42,080 CHANGE. 50 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,090 WHAT SENATE BILL 1 DOES IS 51 00:01:43,090 --> 00:01:44,200 ALLOW FOR THE ELECTION OF THE 52 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,260 CHAIR OF THE STATE BOARD OF 53 00:01:46,260 --> 00:01:48,130 EDUCATION TO BE CHOSEN BY THE 54 00:01:48,130 --> 00:01:50,220 MEMBERS OF THE STATE BOARD OF 55 00:01:50,220 --> 00:01:51,090 EDUCATION THEMSELVES. 56 00:01:51,090 --> 00:01:53,190 I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT IT 57 00:01:53,190 --> 00:01:56,060 MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE WHO THE 58 00:01:56,060 --> 00:01:57,220 CHAIR IS AS LONG AS A PROCESS 59 00:01:57,220 --> 00:01:59,280 AND PROCEDURE IS SPELLED OUT FOR 60 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:00,240 THAT CHAIR. 61 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,000 EXPECT THIS ISSUE TO BE 62 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,060 DEBATED SOON. 63 00:02:05,060 --> 00:02:07,200 I'M ERIC WEDDLE AT THE INDIANA 64 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,060 STATEHOUSE 65 00:02:09,060 --> 00:02:09,270 THANKS, ERIC. 66 00:02:09,270 --> 00:02:10,290 BACK IN A MOMENT WITH OUR RO. 67 00:02:54,250 --> 00:02:56,020 ACCUSATIONS OF BACKSTABBING,, 68 00:02:56,020 --> 00:02:57,080 THE DISCLOSURE OF COMPROMISING N 69 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,040 AND, WELL, THE FILING OF LITIGA. 70 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,120 WELCOME TO EDUCATION POLICYMAKI. 71 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,000 AS IS NO DOUBT CLEAR BY NOW, MIT 72 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,120 AGREE ON MUCH OF ANYTHING. 73 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,030 BOTH OF THEM, HOWEVER, WOULD ACG 74 00:03:10,050 --> 00:03:13,050 APPROACH TO EDUCATIONAL GOVERNAS 75 00:03:13,140 --> 00:03:16,140 THAN IDEAL. 76 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,200 JOINING ME TO DISCUSS WHAT CAN O 77 00:03:20,020 --> 00:03:23,020 IMPROVE THE SITUATION ARE FOUR N 78 00:03:23,020 --> 00:03:25,070 THE PROCESS -- REPUBLICAN SENAT, 79 00:03:25,070 --> 00:03:28,070 THE AUTHOR OF SENATE BILL 1, WHE 80 00:03:28,190 --> 00:03:31,190 BOARD OF EDUCATION AND ITS LEAS 81 00:03:31,190 --> 00:03:34,060 DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE TERRYO 82 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,080 SERVES AS SUPERINTENDENT OF CRON 83 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,260 JACKSON COUNTY, TERESA MEREDITHE 84 00:03:40,260 --> 00:03:43,100 40,000-MEMBER INDIANA STATE TEAN 85 00:03:43,100 --> 00:03:46,000 AND STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION MEE 86 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000 DEAN OF THE SCHOOL OF EDUCATIONA 87 00:03:50,180 --> 00:03:53,180 WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY. 88 00:03:53,180 --> 00:03:55,270 AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING 89 00:03:55,270 --> 00:03:57,280 HERE FOR I THINK WHAT WILL BE A 90 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:58,190 LIVELY DISCUSSION. 91 00:03:58,190 --> 00:04:00,160 GROWING UP WATCHING TV ON THE 92 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,280 MORNINGS ON THE WEEKENDS I'D SEE 93 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:03,250 CONJUNCTION JUNCTION, 94 00:04:03,250 --> 00:04:05,220 EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING AT ITS 95 00:04:05,220 --> 00:04:07,160 FINEST, THIS SOUNDS MORE LIKE 96 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,120 DYSFUNCTION JUNCTION AND I 97 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,100 WONDER WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT 98 00:04:10,100 --> 00:04:13,030 SOLUTIONS BUT FIRST LET'S TALK 99 00:04:13,030 --> 00:04:14,220 ABOUT HOW WE ARE WHERE WE ARE, 100 00:04:14,220 --> 00:04:17,120 TRAVIS HOLDMAN FELL US WHY WE'RE 101 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,240 IN A PICKLE NOW IF INDEED IT IS 102 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:20,240 A PICKLE. 103 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:21,230 I BELIEVE IT IS A PICKLE AND 104 00:04:21,230 --> 00:04:23,010 I THINK THERE'S SIGNIFICANT 105 00:04:23,010 --> 00:04:24,110 DYSFUNCTION WITH WHAT'S GOING ON 106 00:04:24,110 --> 00:04:26,100 WITH THE STATE BOARD AND THE 107 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:27,260 DEPARTMENT. 108 00:04:27,260 --> 00:04:30,160 AND I THINK THIS HAS SORT OF 109 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,070 BEEN THE OUTGROWTH OF 110 00:04:32,070 --> 00:04:33,100 DIFFICULTIES WE WENT THROUGH 111 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:34,130 FOUR AND FIVE YEARS AGO. 112 00:04:34,130 --> 00:04:37,030 AND I SAY TO FOLKS IN MY 113 00:04:37,030 --> 00:04:39,000 CONSTITUENTS AS I'VE HAD THIRD 114 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,040 HOUSE MEETINGS ALREADY TONY 115 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,200 BENNETT AND GOVERNOR MITCH 116 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,160 DANIELS DON'T LIVE IN THE 117 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,110 STATEHOUSE ANYMORE. 118 00:04:45,110 --> 00:04:46,260 THEY ARE GONE. 119 00:04:47,210 --> 00:04:50,230 BUT I THINK THERE WAS 120 00:04:50,230 --> 00:04:52,290 SIGNIFICANT AND SUFFICIENT 121 00:04:52,290 --> 00:04:55,170 DISCUSSION DURING THEIR TENURE 122 00:04:55,170 --> 00:04:58,020 TO GET EDUCATION REFORM PASSED, 123 00:04:58,020 --> 00:04:59,050 THAT THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE 124 00:04:59,050 --> 00:05:02,030 SAID BY THE TWO OF THEM AND 125 00:05:02,030 --> 00:05:03,050 THINGS THAT WERE SAID BY 126 00:05:03,050 --> 00:05:05,020 TEACHERS AND THE TEACHERS 127 00:05:05,020 --> 00:05:07,170 ASSOCIATION THEMSELVES THAT HAVE 128 00:05:07,170 --> 00:05:09,110 REALLY DENIGRATED EDUCATION IN 129 00:05:09,110 --> 00:05:10,180 THE STATE OF INDIANA. 130 00:05:10,180 --> 00:05:11,230 I HAVE A GROUP OF 131 00:05:11,230 --> 00:05:12,290 SUPERINTENDENTS THAT I MEET WITH 132 00:05:12,290 --> 00:05:15,080 ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND 133 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,020 SUPERINTENDENT RITZ WAS THERE 134 00:05:16,020 --> 00:05:17,180 JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AS I'VE 135 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:20,280 DONE WITH SHE AND WITH 136 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:21,100 DR. BENNETT. 137 00:05:22,050 --> 00:05:25,050 AND WE HAD A GENTLEMAN FROM IPFW 138 00:05:25,050 --> 00:05:26,040 WHO HEADS UP THE EDUCATION 139 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,120 PROGRAM AND HE SAID THAT THEY 140 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,120 HAVE 20% FEWER STUDENTS GOING 141 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,130 INTO EDUCATION. 142 00:05:31,130 --> 00:05:32,160 AND HE SAID EVERY ONE OF THEM HE 143 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,160 HAS TO SPEAK WITH IF THEY CHANGE 144 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,180 THEIR MAJOR. 145 00:05:35,180 --> 00:05:37,180 AND HE ASKED THEM WHY ARE YOU 146 00:05:37,180 --> 00:05:39,130 CHANGING YOUR MAJOR FROM 147 00:05:39,130 --> 00:05:39,240 EDUCATION? 148 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:40,240 HE SAID BECAUSE MY TEACHERS TELL 149 00:05:41,030 --> 00:05:44,030 ME DON'T GO INTO EDUCATION, IT'S 150 00:05:44,030 --> 00:05:45,190 A BIGAMIES TAKE FOR YOU TO GO -- 151 00:05:45,190 --> 00:05:46,270 TO BECOME A TEACHER. 152 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,180 I THINK THAT'S A SAD STATE FOR 153 00:05:50,180 --> 00:05:51,120 THE STATE OF INDIANA. 154 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,070 AND I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH BLAME 155 00:05:53,070 --> 00:05:55,010 TO GO AROUND ON BOTH SIDES ON 156 00:05:55,010 --> 00:05:56,000 THIS ISSUE. 157 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,190 BUT WE HAVE GOT TO CHANGE THE 158 00:05:58,190 --> 00:06:00,090 TENOR AND THE DISCUSSION THAT 159 00:06:00,090 --> 00:06:01,280 WE'RE HAVING ABOUT EDUCATION IN 160 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:03,070 OUR STATE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE 161 00:06:04,050 --> 00:06:07,050 CAN DO FOR KIDS TO IMPROVE 162 00:06:07,050 --> 00:06:08,260 EDUCATION, WHAT WE CAN DO FOR 163 00:06:08,260 --> 00:06:10,210 TEACHERS TO BE MORE SUPPORTIVE 164 00:06:10,210 --> 00:06:12,230 OF TEACHERS, TO PAY THEM THE 165 00:06:12,230 --> 00:06:15,030 VERY MOST THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN 166 00:06:15,030 --> 00:06:17,170 FOR THE EFFECTIVE AND HIGHLY 167 00:06:17,170 --> 00:06:18,120 EFFECTIVE TEACHER BECAUSE WE 168 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,110 HAVE GOT TO INVEST IN EDUCATION 169 00:06:20,110 --> 00:06:22,100 IN THAT FASHION. 170 00:06:23,050 --> 00:06:26,050 I'LL JUMP IN, I WATCHED THOSE 171 00:06:26,050 --> 00:06:27,150 SATURDAY MORNING PROGRAMS AS 172 00:06:27,150 --> 00:06:29,020 WELL CONJUNCTION, WATCH YOUR 173 00:06:29,020 --> 00:06:29,290 FUNCTION, I THINK THAT'S WHERE 174 00:06:29,290 --> 00:06:31,260 WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, THERE'S 175 00:06:31,260 --> 00:06:33,200 DEFINITELY A TURF WAR GOING ON. 176 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:34,220 WE'VEO GOTS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT 177 00:06:34,220 --> 00:06:35,260 IS THE FUNCTION OF THE 178 00:06:35,260 --> 00:06:37,080 SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC 179 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,140 INSTRUCTION, I THINK IT'S TO TRY 180 00:06:38,140 --> 00:06:39,200 TO WORK WITH PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND 181 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,010 OTHER SCHOOLS TO TRY TO MAKE 182 00:06:41,010 --> 00:06:42,130 SURE THAT OUR STUDENTS ARE 183 00:06:42,130 --> 00:06:44,100 RECEIVING THE BEST EDUCATION 184 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:45,050 POSSIBLE, IN THE ENTIRE UNITED 185 00:06:45,050 --> 00:06:46,140 STATES OF AMERICA AND THE WORLD. 186 00:06:46,140 --> 00:06:49,140 I GOVERNOR, I THINK, SEES IT 187 00:06:49,140 --> 00:06:51,120 IT'S HIS ROLE AND HE STEPPED UP 188 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,060 EARLIER IN THE STATE OF THE 189 00:06:53,060 --> 00:06:54,210 STATE AND SAID, HEY, THIS IS 190 00:06:54,210 --> 00:06:56,000 GOING TO BE AN EDUCATION SESSION 191 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,270 BUT HE HASN'T PUT FORTH ANY REAL 192 00:06:58,270 --> 00:06:59,190 EDUCATIONAL PROPOSALS OTHER THAN 193 00:06:59,190 --> 00:07:01,100 JUST THE WORNOUT OLD PROPOSALS 194 00:07:01,100 --> 00:07:03,240 THAT'S BEEN GOING AROUND 195 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,040 UNDER -- 196 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,050 HE CAN SPEAK FOR HIMSELF BUT 197 00:07:05,050 --> 00:07:07,270 HE WOULD SAY I'M SURE TEACHER 198 00:07:07,270 --> 00:07:09,090 GRANTS, PERFORMANCE GRANTS, HE 199 00:07:09,090 --> 00:07:10,200 WOULD TALK ABOUT THE CHOICE 200 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,120 PROGRAM, THE VOUCHER PROGRAM, 201 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:14,180 EXPANSION, WHETHER YOU LOVE THEM 202 00:07:14,180 --> 00:07:16,080 OR HATE THEM THEY'RE NEW 203 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:16,210 PROPOSALS. 204 00:07:16,210 --> 00:07:18,060 THEY'RE NOT NEW AT ALL. 205 00:07:19,070 --> 00:07:22,070 JUST NEW MONEY FOR OLD PROGRAMS. 206 00:07:22,070 --> 00:07:24,020 IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE 207 00:07:24,020 --> 00:07:24,280 STRUCTURE OF INSTRUCTION WHICH 208 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,280 THEY SAY THEY DO I DON'T THINK 209 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,170 YOU THROW NEW MONEY AT OLD 210 00:07:28,170 --> 00:07:29,120 PROBLEMS AND ISSUES. 211 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,050 WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE 212 00:07:31,050 --> 00:07:32,170 CHANGE THE SYSTEM. 213 00:07:32,170 --> 00:07:33,140 CLEARLY THERE'S A 214 00:07:33,140 --> 00:07:35,120 DISAGREEMENT ABOUT THE FUNCTION, 215 00:07:36,170 --> 00:07:39,170 BUT WHY HASN'T IT EVER SURFACED 216 00:07:39,170 --> 00:07:40,070 BEFORE. 217 00:07:40,110 --> 00:07:43,110 AND SOMEONE JUST WALKS IN FROM 218 00:07:43,110 --> 00:07:45,170 MARS, IT'S OBVIOUS YOU HAVE A 219 00:07:45,170 --> 00:07:47,170 REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR, THE ONLY 220 00:07:47,170 --> 00:07:49,180 DEMOCRATIC STATE-WIDE 221 00:07:49,180 --> 00:07:50,160 OFFICEHOLDER RIGHT NOW IN THE 222 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,060 STATEHOUSE NATURALLY THEY'RE 223 00:07:51,060 --> 00:07:52,070 GOING TO HAVE FRICTION AND I 224 00:07:52,070 --> 00:07:53,280 GUESS TO SOME EXTENT, YES, BUT 225 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,250 YOU LOOK BACK AT OTHER 226 00:07:56,070 --> 00:07:59,070 GOVERNORS, OTHER ADMINISTRATIONS 227 00:07:59,070 --> 00:08:00,090 WHERE SUELLEN REED FOR INSTANCE, 228 00:08:00,090 --> 00:08:01,150 LONGTIME SUPERINTENDENT, THERE 229 00:08:01,150 --> 00:08:03,000 DIDN'T SEEM TO BE AS MUCH 230 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:03,110 FRICTION. 231 00:08:04,130 --> 00:08:07,130 IS IT THAT THE PERSONALITY, DO 232 00:08:07,130 --> 00:08:09,110 YOU THINK ARE DIFFERENT OR IS IT 233 00:08:09,110 --> 00:08:10,280 THAT THE STAKES ARE HIGHER? 234 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,030 I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF 235 00:08:12,030 --> 00:08:12,190 DYNAMICS THERE. 236 00:08:12,190 --> 00:08:14,150 I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 237 00:08:14,150 --> 00:08:16,060 ELECTION ITSELF, PEOPLE WERE 238 00:08:16,060 --> 00:08:17,080 SHOCKED THAT SUPERINTENDENT 239 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:17,240 REHABILITATION WON. 240 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,120 I REALLY THINK MANY OF THE KEY 241 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,040 LEADERS IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY 242 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,060 WERE SHOCKED, DIDN'T EXPECT 243 00:08:22,060 --> 00:08:22,210 THAT. 244 00:08:22,210 --> 00:08:23,180 PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN HER 245 00:08:26,010 --> 00:08:29,010 NAME BUT THEY DIDN'T LIKE SOME 246 00:08:29,010 --> 00:08:31,270 OF THE WAYS THAT WE HAD MOVED 247 00:08:31,270 --> 00:08:32,160 TOWARD EDUCATION REFORM. 248 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,030 SO THAT WAS, I BELIEVE, THE 249 00:08:35,030 --> 00:08:36,170 VOTERS' VOICE SCREAMING, THAT 250 00:08:36,170 --> 00:08:38,080 STOP THIS, LET'S REALLY LOOK 251 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,110 WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING TO HELP 252 00:08:40,110 --> 00:08:41,080 STUDENTS TRULY SUCCEED AND SOME 253 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:42,200 OF THESE REFORMS ARE NOT THE WAY 254 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:43,140 TO DO IT. 255 00:08:43,140 --> 00:08:44,230 SO I THINK SOME OF THE FRICTION 256 00:08:44,290 --> 00:08:47,290 NOW IS THOSE FOLKS WHO HAD THIS 257 00:08:47,290 --> 00:08:49,160 REFORM MOVEMENT WELL ON ITS WAY, 258 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,290 ROLLING DOWN THE HIGHWAY, AND IT 259 00:08:51,290 --> 00:08:54,070 WAS STOPPED IN SOME RESPECTS 260 00:08:54,070 --> 00:08:56,010 BRIEFLY WHEN SHE WAS ELECTED, 261 00:08:56,010 --> 00:08:57,220 AND I THINK THAT CONTINUES TO BE 262 00:08:57,220 --> 00:08:59,130 A RUB FOR SOME FOLKS. 263 00:08:59,130 --> 00:09:02,100 LET'S SAY THIS, GENTLEMEN. 264 00:09:02,100 --> 00:09:04,040 IT'S TOO COLD FOR POPULARS, 265 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,260 LET'S TAKE MERCURY. 266 00:09:05,260 --> 00:09:07,130 LET'S TALK WARMTH. 267 00:09:07,130 --> 00:09:09,010 AND REALLY, YOU POINTED THAT 268 00:09:09,010 --> 00:09:10,190 OUT, THE DIFFERENCE IS THIS -- 269 00:09:10,190 --> 00:09:12,290 THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT 270 00:09:12,290 --> 00:09:13,280 PHILOSOPHICAL BELIEFS NOW IN THE 271 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:14,080 OFFICE. 272 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,220 THE GOVERNOR HAS ONE 273 00:09:16,220 --> 00:09:18,190 PHILOSOPHICAL BELIEF OF THE 274 00:09:18,190 --> 00:09:19,100 DIRECTION EDUCATION TO GO AND 275 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:20,150 THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT 276 00:09:20,150 --> 00:09:22,180 SUPERINTENDENT BENNETT AND ALSO 277 00:09:22,180 --> 00:09:24,110 GOVERNOR DANIELS PUSHED AND I 278 00:09:24,110 --> 00:09:25,080 THINK SUPERINTENDENT RITZ HAS 279 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,200 GOT A DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY OF 280 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,090 HOW THE EDUCATIONAL PHILOSOPHY 281 00:09:28,090 --> 00:09:29,270 SHOULD GO AND I THINK THAT'S THE 282 00:09:29,270 --> 00:09:31,120 TROUBLE WITH THE PROBLEM WITH 283 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,040 THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION AT 284 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,270 THIS POINT IS THOSE TWO ARE 285 00:09:33,270 --> 00:09:35,120 CLASHING INSTEAD OF TRYING TO 286 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,090 MELD TOGETHER THEY'RE ACTUALLY 287 00:09:37,090 --> 00:09:39,180 BUTTING HEADS LIKE TWO RAMS ON A 288 00:09:39,180 --> 00:09:40,060 MOUNTAINTOP. 289 00:09:40,060 --> 00:09:41,180 I SUSPECT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN 290 00:09:41,180 --> 00:09:44,030 INDIANA IS NOT UNLIKE WYOMING 291 00:09:44,030 --> 00:09:47,000 WHERE THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN AN 292 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,150 INHERENT STRUCTURAL FLAW BY THE 293 00:09:48,230 --> 00:09:51,230 WAY THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM IS 294 00:09:51,230 --> 00:09:52,030 FORMED. 295 00:09:52,030 --> 00:09:53,120 YOU HAVE A GOVERNOR THAT'S 296 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:54,250 ELECTED AND APPOINTS THE STATE 297 00:09:54,250 --> 00:09:57,200 BOARD OF EDUCATION BUT ELECTING 298 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,210 THE STATE SUPERINTENDENT OF 299 00:09:58,210 --> 00:09:59,110 PUBLIC INSTRUCTION. 300 00:09:59,110 --> 00:10:00,050 GOING BACK TO SOMETHING THAT WAS 301 00:10:00,050 --> 00:10:03,050 SAID EARLIER, I DO THINK YOU CAN 302 00:10:03,050 --> 00:10:04,150 TRACE THE DYNAMIC BACK TO THE 303 00:10:04,150 --> 00:10:07,050 LAST ELECTION, BEFORE THAT IN 304 00:10:07,050 --> 00:10:08,180 2010-11 WE PASSED INDIANA THE 305 00:10:08,180 --> 00:10:10,020 PUTTING STUDENTS FIRST 306 00:10:10,020 --> 00:10:10,290 LEGISLATIVE PACKAGE WHICH WAS 307 00:10:10,290 --> 00:10:12,180 PART OF THE BENNETT-DANIELS 308 00:10:12,180 --> 00:10:14,140 PACKAGE AND I THINK TERESA'S 309 00:10:14,140 --> 00:10:16,200 RIGHT, I THINK A LOT OF THE 310 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,140 RHETORIC AT THAT TIME WAS WE HAD 311 00:10:18,140 --> 00:10:19,230 BEEN STATUS QUO AND I HAPPEN TO 312 00:10:19,230 --> 00:10:21,050 BELIEVE IT MYSELF BUT THE 313 00:10:21,050 --> 00:10:22,260 RHETORIC IS WE HAVE KIDS TRAPPED 314 00:10:22,260 --> 00:10:24,020 IN BAD SYSTEMS AND WHEN YOU 315 00:10:24,020 --> 00:10:25,060 DON'T FINISH THAT THOUGHT AND 316 00:10:25,060 --> 00:10:26,270 WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAID IS WE 317 00:10:26,270 --> 00:10:28,020 HAVE GREAT TEACHERS IN THOSE 318 00:10:28,020 --> 00:10:29,110 SYSTEMS WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE A 319 00:10:29,110 --> 00:10:29,230 DIFFERENCE. 320 00:10:29,230 --> 00:10:30,200 THAT JUST CONTRIBUTED TO THE 321 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:31,280 ENVIRONMENT THAT LED TO THE 322 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,120 ELECTION. 323 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,220 AND SO NOW WHAT'S GOING ON IS, 324 00:10:34,220 --> 00:10:36,210 IS THAT WE HAVE A GOVERNOR WHO 325 00:10:36,210 --> 00:10:38,100 HAS A VISION AND A SET OF GOALS 326 00:10:38,100 --> 00:10:39,280 FOR EDUCATION AND RIGHTFULLY SO 327 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,070 IS TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THOSE AND 328 00:10:41,070 --> 00:10:43,100 WE ALSO HAVE AN ELECTED 329 00:10:43,100 --> 00:10:44,140 SUPERINTENDENT WHO HAS A 330 00:10:44,140 --> 00:10:45,290 DIFFERING VISION AND GOALS AND 331 00:10:45,290 --> 00:10:48,190 THAT'S WHERE THAT CONTENTION AND 332 00:10:48,190 --> 00:10:49,280 DISJOINTEDNESS IS COMING FROM. 333 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,210 I GUESS THE OLD VICTIMS TO 334 00:10:51,210 --> 00:10:53,260 THE VICTOR GO THE SPOILS, I 335 00:10:53,260 --> 00:10:55,060 MEAN, DOES OR DOESN'T APPLY HERE 336 00:10:55,060 --> 00:10:56,290 BECAUSE IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT 337 00:10:56,290 --> 00:10:58,180 THE ELECTION RESULTS DID NOT 338 00:10:58,180 --> 00:11:00,030 GLENDA RITZ GET MORE VOTES, 339 00:11:00,030 --> 00:11:01,120 GRANTED THEY WERE IN DIFFERENT 340 00:11:01,140 --> 00:11:04,140 CONTESTS BUT GOT MORE VOTES THAN 341 00:11:04,140 --> 00:11:05,090 MIKE PENCE. 342 00:11:05,090 --> 00:11:06,120 COULD YOU ARGUE THAT SHE SHOULD 343 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:07,090 CALL THE SHOTS? 344 00:11:07,090 --> 00:11:08,180 I THINK THE CHALLENGES IN 345 00:11:08,180 --> 00:11:09,230 INDIANA, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A 346 00:11:09,230 --> 00:11:10,270 SHARED GOVERN NANCE SYSTEM. 347 00:11:10,270 --> 00:11:12,090 THERE ARE MULTIPLE ENTITIES THAT 348 00:11:12,090 --> 00:11:14,270 MAKE UP THE GOVERNANCE SYSTEM 349 00:11:14,270 --> 00:11:16,290 YOU HAVE A GOVERNOR THAT 350 00:11:16,290 --> 00:11:19,130 APPOINTS THE STATE BOARD OF 351 00:11:19,130 --> 00:11:20,170 EDUCATION, GENERAL ASSEMBLY 352 00:11:20,170 --> 00:11:22,080 THROUGH LEGISLATION WHO ARE 353 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,110 ESTABLISHING PUBLIC POLICY AND 354 00:11:23,110 --> 00:11:24,280 IN MANY CASES THINK DIRECT THE 355 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,020 STATE BOARD TO PROMULGATE RULE 356 00:11:27,020 --> 00:11:29,020 AND ESTABLISH STATE RULE TO HELP 357 00:11:29,020 --> 00:11:31,000 THE DEPARTMENT HOW TO ENFORCE 358 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,080 THOSE AND THAT'S THE FOURTH 359 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,140 ENTITY THE DEPARTMENT THAT THE 360 00:11:33,140 --> 00:11:34,220 SUPERINTENDENT IS LEADING. 361 00:11:34,220 --> 00:11:36,290 IN I SHARED GOVERNANCE SYSTEM 362 00:11:36,290 --> 00:11:39,200 ANY OF THOSE ENTITIES POSTURES 363 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,140 ITSELF AND SAY I'M SOLELY 364 00:11:41,140 --> 00:11:42,110 RESPONSIBLE FOR EDUCATION IN 365 00:11:42,110 --> 00:11:44,240 INDIANA WE GET THIS 366 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,080 DISJOINTEDNESS. 367 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,050 CERTAINLY CONTRIBUTED TO THAT 368 00:11:46,050 --> 00:11:48,140 WHEN HE CONTRIBUTED C.C. AND HE 369 00:11:48,140 --> 00:11:50,090 CHOSE NOT TO WORK WITH THE STATE 370 00:11:50,090 --> 00:11:51,210 SUPERINTENDENT AS HIS ADVISOR ON 371 00:11:51,210 --> 00:11:52,220 EDUCATION ISSUES AND EVEN THOUGH 372 00:11:52,220 --> 00:11:55,030 THAT IS A MOOT POINT NOW, HE 373 00:11:55,030 --> 00:11:56,240 HAS -- IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING HAS 374 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,280 APPOINTED TWO ADDITIONAL PEOPLE 375 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,060 TO ADVISE HIM ON EDUCATION WHEN 376 00:11:59,060 --> 00:12:01,060 HE ALREADY HAS A STATE 377 00:12:01,060 --> 00:12:02,140 SUPERINTENDENT, A STAFF AND 378 00:12:02,140 --> 00:12:04,030 STATE BOARD ALREADY IN PLACE. 379 00:12:04,030 --> 00:12:07,000 AND SO THAT -- THAT, I THINK, 380 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,060 CONTINUES TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE 381 00:12:08,060 --> 00:12:08,140 RUB. 382 00:12:08,140 --> 00:12:09,240 AND JUST TO BACK UP ONE 383 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,090 MOMENT FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT NOT 384 00:12:11,090 --> 00:12:12,210 UNDERSTAND THE ACRONYM THAT WAS 385 00:12:12,210 --> 00:12:15,030 THE CENTER FOR EDUCATION AND 386 00:12:15,030 --> 00:12:16,060 CAREER INNOVATION WHICH SOME 387 00:12:16,060 --> 00:12:18,060 WOULD SAY WAS EITHER A SHADOW OF 388 00:12:18,060 --> 00:12:18,270 THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION OR 389 00:12:19,030 --> 00:12:22,030 OTHERS WOULD SAY WAS AN 390 00:12:22,030 --> 00:12:23,110 INNOVATIVE IMPETUS FOR CHANGE AS 391 00:12:23,110 --> 00:12:26,030 YOU POINT OUT IT DOESN'T EXIST 392 00:12:26,030 --> 00:12:27,270 ANYMORE MORE, AS THE GOVERNOR 393 00:12:27,270 --> 00:12:29,130 SAID AN OLIVE BRANCH TO BRING 394 00:12:29,130 --> 00:12:30,000 ABOUT CHANGE. 395 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:30,240 LET'S TALK ABOUT THE IDEAS THAT 396 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:31,280 ARE ON THE TABLE. 397 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,040 YOU, SENATOR, ARE THE AUTHOR OF 398 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,020 SENATE BILL 1 WHICH 399 00:12:35,020 --> 00:12:37,050 TRADITIONALLY WHATEVER GETS THE 400 00:12:37,050 --> 00:12:38,080 LABEL SENATE BILL 1 I'M NOT A 401 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,240 BETTING MAN USUALLY BUT I WOULD 402 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,060 GUESS THOSE WOULD BE PRETTY GOOD 403 00:12:42,060 --> 00:12:44,200 ODDS IT'S BEEN PLACED AS A PRIME 404 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,020 ISSUE -- 405 00:12:46,020 --> 00:12:46,160 PRIORITY. 406 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:47,280 PRIORITY CERTAINLY FOR A 407 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:48,110 LEADERSHIP -- 408 00:12:48,110 --> 00:12:49,260 WE DO A LOT OF THINGS. 409 00:12:49,260 --> 00:12:51,160 LET'S START WITH THE CHANGE IN 410 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,160 THE WAY THE LEADERSHIP OF THE 411 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,160 BOARD IS FORMED. 412 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,280 GLITLE WOULD NO LONGER BE 413 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,030 EFFECTIVELY THE HEAD OF THE 414 00:12:58,030 --> 00:12:58,250 STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION. 415 00:12:58,250 --> 00:13:00,110 IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SHE COULD 416 00:13:00,110 --> 00:13:02,060 BE, IF THE MEMBERS ELECT HER. 417 00:13:02,060 --> 00:13:04,100 IF THE 10 PEOPLE WHO ARE 418 00:13:04,100 --> 00:13:05,260 BUTTING HEADS WITH HER INCLUDING 419 00:13:05,260 --> 00:13:08,050 ONE SITTING HERE IN THE ROOM 420 00:13:08,050 --> 00:13:09,270 WOULD SOMEHOW HAVE A 421 00:13:09,270 --> 00:13:10,110 TRANSFORMATION. 422 00:13:10,110 --> 00:13:10,270 THAT'S RIGHT. 423 00:13:10,270 --> 00:13:11,270 THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE 424 00:13:11,270 --> 00:13:13,000 CHAIR WOULD BE ELECTED BY THE 425 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,030 MEMBERS THEMSELVES. 426 00:13:15,070 --> 00:13:18,070 AND THEN THERE'S A WHOLE ORDER 427 00:13:18,070 --> 00:13:21,060 OF HOW YOU GET ITEMS, AGENDA 428 00:13:21,060 --> 00:13:23,240 ITEMS, ON THE TABLE AND A 429 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,030 PROCESS TO PUT -- TO BE PUT IN 430 00:13:26,030 --> 00:13:28,020 PLACE THAT'S BEEN DONE 431 00:13:28,030 --> 00:13:31,030 LEGISLATIVELY RATHER THAN 432 00:13:31,030 --> 00:13:31,240 ADMINISTRATIVELY WHICH SHOULD 433 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,140 HAVE BEEN DONE. 434 00:13:32,140 --> 00:13:33,210 BUT I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO 435 00:13:33,210 --> 00:13:35,130 RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S NEVER A 436 00:13:35,130 --> 00:13:37,250 BILL THAT'S INTRODUCED THAT ENDS 437 00:13:37,250 --> 00:13:39,160 UP BEING PASSED AND BECOMES LAW 438 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,130 THAT LOOKS LIKE IT DID WHEN IT 439 00:13:41,130 --> 00:13:42,090 WAS INTRODUCED. 440 00:13:42,090 --> 00:13:43,150 AS WE'VE TALKED IN LEADERSHIP 441 00:13:43,150 --> 00:13:45,060 ABOUT WHERE WE MOVE FROM THIS 442 00:13:45,060 --> 00:13:47,150 POINT, EVERYTHING'S ON THE 443 00:13:47,150 --> 00:13:47,240 TABLE. 444 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,160 WE'RE OPEN TO HEAR SUGGESTIONS 445 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:50,280 FROM FOLKS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 446 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,250 THE AISLE, FROM THE DEPARTMENT 447 00:13:52,250 --> 00:13:54,050 ITSELF, FROM THE STATE BOARD, 448 00:13:54,050 --> 00:13:56,170 FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, FROM 449 00:13:56,170 --> 00:13:57,220 FELLOW LEGISLATORS, TO HEAR 450 00:13:57,220 --> 00:13:59,060 WHAT'S THE BEST COMBINATION FOR 451 00:13:59,100 --> 00:14:02,100 HOW WE GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO 452 00:14:02,100 --> 00:14:02,180 BE. 453 00:14:02,180 --> 00:14:04,110 WE HAVE AN INHERENTLY 454 00:14:04,110 --> 00:14:05,120 DYSFUNCTIONAL SYSTEM AND IT'S 455 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:06,240 BEEN SOMEWHAT A MIRACLE THAT 456 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,240 WE'VE GOTTEN ALONG AS WELL AS WE 457 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:10,030 HAVE. 458 00:14:10,030 --> 00:14:11,220 THERE IS NO OTHER STATE, AS 459 00:14:11,220 --> 00:14:13,000 WE'VE HAD OUR POLICY PEOPLE IN 460 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,190 THE SENATE TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S 461 00:14:14,190 --> 00:14:16,290 GOING ON IN THE OTHER 49 STATES, 462 00:14:16,290 --> 00:14:19,020 THERE IS NOT, EXCUSE ME, ONE 463 00:14:19,020 --> 00:14:20,250 OTHER STATE IN THE UNION THAT 464 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,040 HAS THE STRUCTURE, THE SELECTION 465 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,100 METHOD, LAWS SIMILAR TO WHAT 466 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:28,070 INDIANA DOES. 467 00:14:28,070 --> 00:14:30,070 WE ARE VERY UNIQUE WHEN YOU LOOK 468 00:14:30,070 --> 00:14:33,050 AT AN ELECTED STATE 469 00:14:33,050 --> 00:14:33,270 SUPERINTENDENT, APPOINTMENTS BY 470 00:14:34,150 --> 00:14:37,150 THE GOVERNOR, THE SUPERINTENDENT 471 00:14:37,150 --> 00:14:39,070 AS THE BOARD CHAIR AND THE 472 00:14:40,060 --> 00:14:43,060 C.E.O. OF THE DEPARTMENT, IN 473 00:14:43,060 --> 00:14:44,040 PRIVATE INDUSTRY TYPICALLY THAT 474 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,120 WOULD NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY. 475 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,060 WHAT'S WRONG WITH -- 476 00:14:47,060 --> 00:14:48,240 THIS NOTION THAT, HEY, 10 477 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,200 MEMBERS WANT TO ELECT -- 478 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,130 IF BEAK LOOK HISTORICALLY AT 479 00:14:52,130 --> 00:14:53,090 THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS AND WE 480 00:14:53,090 --> 00:14:55,080 TALK ABOUT THIS AND THE WAY THIS 481 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:56,080 IS STRUCTURED HISTORICALLY THE 482 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:57,240 REASON THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT 483 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,180 OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION WAS CHOSEN 484 00:14:59,180 --> 00:15:02,140 TO BE THE HEAD OF THE CHAIR, OF 485 00:15:02,140 --> 00:15:04,050 THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION THE 486 00:15:04,050 --> 00:15:04,270 CHAIRPERSON, WHICHEVER TITLE YOU 487 00:15:04,270 --> 00:15:06,080 WANT TO LAY ON THEM IS BECAUSE 488 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,280 THAT WAS A LEGISLATIVE AGREEMENT 489 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,100 BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES. 490 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:12,040 THAT IF, OK, IF WE HAD A 491 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,020 REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AND THE 492 00:15:14,020 --> 00:15:16,220 FOLKS DECIDED TO ELECT A 493 00:15:16,220 --> 00:15:17,210 DEMOCRAT STATE SUPERINTENDENT 494 00:15:17,210 --> 00:15:19,190 THEN THAT STATE SUPERINTENDENT 495 00:15:19,190 --> 00:15:21,190 WOULDN'T BE REGULAR GATED TO 496 00:15:21,190 --> 00:15:23,150 JUST DOING DESK DUTY THEY WOULD 497 00:15:23,150 --> 00:15:24,220 ACTUALLY HAVE AN EXECUTIVE 498 00:15:24,220 --> 00:15:25,160 POSITION THAT WOULD HELP MOLD 499 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:26,160 THE POLICY IN THE STATE OF 500 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:26,260 INDIANA. 501 00:15:26,260 --> 00:15:28,280 SO THAT LEGISLATIVE INTENT WHEN 502 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,280 THESE -- WHEN THE BOARD WAS 503 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:31,280 CREATED ACTUALLY WAS CREATED TO 504 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,290 BE EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS NOW. 505 00:15:33,290 --> 00:15:35,060 NOW, I DON'T THINK THEY HAD THE 506 00:15:35,060 --> 00:15:36,160 IDEA THAT THE CURRENT CONDITIONS 507 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,040 THE WAY IT WAS GOING 20 508 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,000 FUNCTION -- TO FUNCTION, BUT 509 00:15:41,100 --> 00:15:44,100 THAT WAS THE INTENT TO HAVE THE 510 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:45,010 SUPERINTENDENT AS THE CHAIRMAN 511 00:15:45,010 --> 00:15:47,040 OF THE ASSOCIATION IF WE HAD A 512 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,030 DIFFERENT PARTY FOR GOVERNOR. 513 00:15:50,030 --> 00:15:51,060 DEPARTING FROM WHAT THE 514 00:15:51,060 --> 00:15:52,270 ORIGINAL INTENT WAS OR THE 515 00:15:52,270 --> 00:15:53,170 AGREEMENT THAT WAS STRUCK 516 00:15:53,170 --> 00:15:54,230 BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES OR IS 517 00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:57,140 THERE A PHILOSOPHICAL PROBLEM 518 00:15:57,140 --> 00:15:59,170 LETTING THE MAJORITY OF THE 519 00:15:59,170 --> 00:16:00,210 BOARD CHOOSE THEIR 520 00:16:00,210 --> 00:16:01,050 SUPERINTENDENT. 521 00:16:01,050 --> 00:16:02,290 I'M PRAGMATIC, IF IT'S NOT 522 00:16:02,290 --> 00:16:04,230 WORKING, WE'VE GOT TO FIX IT. 523 00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:06,000 AS SENATOR HOLDMAN SAID THERE'S 524 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,070 GOING TO BE A LOT OF TIME TO BE 525 00:16:08,070 --> 00:16:10,140 ABLE TO DEBATE SENATE BILL 1 AS 526 00:16:10,140 --> 00:16:11,190 IT MOVES THROUGH THE PROCESS AND 527 00:16:11,190 --> 00:16:12,230 I DON'T THINK IT WILL LOOK LIKE 528 00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:14,130 IT DOES NOW. 529 00:16:14,130 --> 00:16:15,210 I SURE HOPE IT DOESN'T AS IT 530 00:16:15,210 --> 00:16:17,200 GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS AND I'M 531 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,050 AWAITING THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN 532 00:16:19,050 --> 00:16:21,240 THAT BILL GETS TO THE HOUSE TO 533 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,140 DO CRAFTSMANSHIP TO IT AS WELL. 534 00:16:24,140 --> 00:16:25,210 WHEN THAT BILL MOVES FORWARD 535 00:16:25,210 --> 00:16:27,020 THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF 536 00:16:27,020 --> 00:16:28,050 SUGGESTIONS AS THIS BILL MOVES 537 00:16:28,050 --> 00:16:29,250 FORWARD AND A LOT OF FOLKS GOING 538 00:16:30,220 --> 00:16:33,220 TO GET THEIR FEELINGS HURT 539 00:16:33,220 --> 00:16:34,280 BECAUSE -- 540 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:35,110 TERESA. 541 00:16:35,110 --> 00:16:36,020 I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE 542 00:16:36,020 --> 00:16:37,010 CAREFUL IN THE LEGISLATURE IN 543 00:16:37,010 --> 00:16:38,080 THAT THE VOTERS ELECTED HER TO 544 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,170 DO A CERTAIN JOB AND THE JOB 545 00:16:39,170 --> 00:16:41,220 THEY ELECTED HER TO DO INCLUDED 546 00:16:41,220 --> 00:16:43,100 LEADING THAT EDUCATION BOARD. 547 00:16:44,010 --> 00:16:47,010 AND SO TO TAKE THAT ROLE AWAY 548 00:16:47,010 --> 00:16:48,280 MIDSTREAM HERE I THINK IS A 549 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:49,210 BIGAMIES TAKE. 550 00:16:49,210 --> 00:16:51,260 LEADERSHIP OF THE BOARD OR 551 00:16:51,260 --> 00:16:52,180 THE POLICY-MAKING FUNCTION HAS 552 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,200 BECOME THE CRITICAL -- INDIANA 553 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,060 AND OTHER STATES -- 554 00:16:57,060 --> 00:16:58,000 JON, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, 555 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,020 THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE 556 00:17:00,020 --> 00:17:02,050 LEGISLATIVE INTENT AS WE MOVE 557 00:17:02,050 --> 00:17:03,080 FORWARD -- YOU KNOW, THE 558 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,000 PROPOSAL, AS I SAID, MAY NOT BE 559 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,110 THE SAME -- THERE MIGHT BE 560 00:17:06,110 --> 00:17:07,170 PROPOSALS INTRODUCED THAT LIMITS 561 00:17:07,170 --> 00:17:09,080 THE GOVERNOR'S ABILITY TO TRY TO 562 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,030 INFLUENCE EDUCATION SO THAT'S 563 00:17:10,030 --> 00:17:12,040 GOING TO BE THE GIVE AND TAKE ON 564 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,110 THIS, IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE 565 00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:14,200 FOCUSED ON THE SUPERINTENDENT OF 566 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,120 PUBLIC INSTRUCTION. 567 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:16,230 I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT 568 00:17:16,260 --> 00:17:19,260 HAVING BEEN THE C.E.O. OF A 569 00:17:19,260 --> 00:17:21,150 CORPORATION MYSELF FOR 10 YEARS 570 00:17:21,150 --> 00:17:24,050 AND HAVING THE BLUR OF DIRECTORS 571 00:17:24,050 --> 00:17:27,050 WITH A DIFFERENT BOARD CHAIR, IT 572 00:17:27,050 --> 00:17:28,140 DIDN'T REALLY MATTER WHO THE 573 00:17:28,140 --> 00:17:30,210 CHAIRMAN OF THAT BOARD IS. 574 00:17:30,210 --> 00:17:31,220 IF THERE ARE POLICIES LAID OUT 575 00:17:31,220 --> 00:17:33,260 AS TO HOW ITEMS ARE PLACED ON 576 00:17:34,070 --> 00:17:37,070 THE AGENDA, THE C.E.O -- I WAS 577 00:17:37,260 --> 00:17:40,260 THE AUTHORITY ON BANKING AT MY 578 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:42,080 300 MILLION-DOLLAR BANK BACK 579 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,140 HOME. 580 00:17:44,140 --> 00:17:46,280 BOARD CHAIRMAN WORKED WITH ME 581 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,270 BUT BOARD CHAIRMEN DIRECTED THE 582 00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:51,130 MEETINGS, BUT WHEN THEY LOOKED 583 00:17:51,130 --> 00:17:52,160 AT THE AUTHORITY FOR THE EXPERT 584 00:17:52,250 --> 00:17:55,250 ON BANKING LAW AND THE BANKING 585 00:17:55,250 --> 00:17:56,260 PRACTICE THEY ASKED ME HOW THAT 586 00:17:56,260 --> 00:17:57,260 WAS DONE. 587 00:17:57,260 --> 00:17:59,120 THE C.E.O. OF YOUR BOARD 588 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:02,030 WASN'T ELECTED, HE WAS CHOSEN. 589 00:18:02,030 --> 00:18:03,150 THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. 590 00:18:03,150 --> 00:18:04,210 MY HOPE IS THAT THE GENERAL 591 00:18:04,210 --> 00:18:05,180 ASSEMBLY WILL TAKE A LOOK AT 592 00:18:05,180 --> 00:18:06,100 THAT STRUCTURE. 593 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:08,090 WHEN YOU'VE HAD AS MANY REFORMS 594 00:18:08,090 --> 00:18:10,140 AS WE'VE HAD AND IN A SHORT 595 00:18:10,140 --> 00:18:12,060 PERIOD OF TIME THINGS CAN BECOME 596 00:18:12,060 --> 00:18:15,030 VERY DISJOINTED, VERY 597 00:18:15,030 --> 00:18:16,030 CONTENTIOUS, AND WHAT'S 598 00:18:16,030 --> 00:18:16,240 INCUMBENT ON THE GENERAL 599 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,210 ASSEMBLY IS NOT JUST LOOK AT WHO 600 00:18:18,210 --> 00:18:20,250 CHAIRS THE STATE BOARD BUT LOOK 601 00:18:20,250 --> 00:18:22,030 AT THE STRUCTURE AND MAKE SURE 602 00:18:22,030 --> 00:18:23,230 WE HAVE THE RIGHT STRUCTURE 603 00:18:23,230 --> 00:18:24,040 SUPPORTED. 604 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,150 I CAN TELL YOU WHAT CONCERNS ME 605 00:18:25,150 --> 00:18:26,210 MOST IS THE IMPACT TO THE LOCAL 606 00:18:26,210 --> 00:18:28,110 SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND TO OUR 607 00:18:28,110 --> 00:18:28,220 STUDENTS. 608 00:18:28,220 --> 00:18:30,060 WHEN THINGS ARE DISJOINTED AND 609 00:18:30,060 --> 00:18:32,070 SO CONTENTIOUS AT THIS LEVEL, AT 610 00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:34,030 THE STATE LEVEL IT TENDS TO SLOW 611 00:18:34,030 --> 00:18:35,220 DOWN IMPORTANT REFORMS TRYING TO 612 00:18:35,220 --> 00:18:37,260 BE IMPLEMENTED IN THE FIELD, IT 613 00:18:37,260 --> 00:18:39,020 CREATES CONFUSION AND WE'VE GOT 614 00:18:39,020 --> 00:18:40,060 TO ADDRESS THAT AND CLEAN THAT 615 00:18:40,060 --> 00:18:40,140 UP. 616 00:18:40,140 --> 00:18:42,080 IT'S NOT FAIR TO LOCAL DISTRICTS 617 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:43,100 TO LEAVE THEM HANGING WHERE 618 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:45,020 WE'RE AT AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S 619 00:18:45,020 --> 00:18:46,110 IN AGREEMENT ON THAT BUT IT'S 620 00:18:46,110 --> 00:18:47,080 GOING TO COME BACK TO THE 621 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,080 GENERAL ASSEMBLY. 622 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,010 ONLY THEY CAN TAKE THE KIND OF 623 00:18:50,010 --> 00:18:50,220 LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY THAT'S 624 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:52,070 NEEDED TO SET THAT STRUCTURE 625 00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:52,160 AND -- 626 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,130 AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF 627 00:18:53,130 --> 00:18:54,250 STUDENTS ARE TRULY AT THE CENTER 628 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:07,120 OF EVERYTHING WE DO WE ALL NEED 629 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:09,130 TO DO IS THE MONEY TRAIL LEADING 630 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,240 BACK TO SOMETHING THAT TRULY IS 631 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,210 PURE IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING 632 00:19:14,210 --> 00:19:16,210 STUDENTS OR LEADING BACK TO SOME 633 00:19:16,210 --> 00:19:17,170 FOR-PROFIT OR SOMEONE WHO IS 634 00:19:17,170 --> 00:19:19,020 GOING TO LINE THEIR POCKET WITH 635 00:19:19,020 --> 00:19:20,090 SOME REFORM THAT INDIANA PUSHES 636 00:19:20,090 --> 00:19:22,020 THROUGH THAT CREATES A FINANCIAL 637 00:19:22,020 --> 00:19:22,240 BOON FOR THEM. 638 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,050 LOOK AT THE TESTING. 639 00:19:24,050 --> 00:19:26,020 LOOK AT THE EXPENSE THAT'S IN 640 00:19:26,020 --> 00:19:26,210 THAT. 641 00:19:26,210 --> 00:19:27,260 SO -- AND THAT'S ALL STUFF 642 00:19:27,260 --> 00:19:29,270 THAT'S TALKED ABOUT WITH THESE 643 00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:30,270 EDUCATION ENTITIES. 644 00:19:30,270 --> 00:19:32,210 BRAD ALSO BROUGHT UP NOT ONLY 645 00:19:32,210 --> 00:19:34,060 IS IT THE LEADERSHIP BUT THE 646 00:19:34,060 --> 00:19:34,170 STRUCTURE. 647 00:19:34,170 --> 00:19:35,150 RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THE 10 648 00:19:35,150 --> 00:19:38,000 MEMBERS ASIDE FROM THE STATE 649 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,180 SUPERINTENDENT OSTENSIBLY 650 00:19:39,180 --> 00:19:40,070 REPRESENTING CONGRESSIONAL 651 00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:42,180 DISTRICTS, AT LEAST FOUR, I 652 00:19:42,180 --> 00:19:44,010 BELIEVE, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE NO 653 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,040 MORE THAN SIX OF ANY ONE PARTY 654 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,080 WHICH, I GUESS, PARTY 655 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,270 AFFILIATION IS IN THE EYE OF THE 656 00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:54,000 BEHOLDER IN MANY CASES WHETHER 657 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,070 THAT'S ACTUALLY A SPLIT OR NOT, 658 00:19:55,070 --> 00:19:56,290 HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT, IF THE 659 00:19:56,290 --> 00:19:58,050 LEADERSHIP QUESTION IS RESOLVED 660 00:19:58,050 --> 00:20:00,230 IS THIS OTHER STUFF SORT OF 661 00:20:00,230 --> 00:20:01,290 SECONDARY FARCE YOUR CONCERNED, 662 00:20:01,290 --> 00:20:03,230 IT'S NOT A PART OF YOUR BILL 663 00:20:03,230 --> 00:20:04,020 BUT -- 664 00:20:04,020 --> 00:20:04,210 I DON'T THINK IT'S 665 00:20:04,210 --> 00:20:05,080 NECESSARILY SECONDARY. 666 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,100 THAT'S ONE THING THAT NEEDS TO 667 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:08,140 BE CLEANED UP IN THE BILL, TO BE 668 00:20:08,140 --> 00:20:09,200 HONEST WITH YOU, I THINK THAT 669 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,140 SELECTION PROCESS, HOW THAT'S 670 00:20:11,140 --> 00:20:12,110 DONE, I THINK IT'S VERY 671 00:20:12,110 --> 00:20:13,170 IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE 672 00:20:13,170 --> 00:20:16,140 EDUCATORS, FOLKS WITH END ON THE 673 00:20:16,140 --> 00:20:18,080 BOARD AND -- END ON THE BOARD 674 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,050 AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE 675 00:20:20,050 --> 00:20:21,200 SOME REQUIREMENT THAT THOSE BE 676 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,020 THERE. 677 00:20:22,020 --> 00:20:24,230 WHEN WE GET TO THESE KIND OF 678 00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:26,250 ISSUES SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T 679 00:20:26,250 --> 00:20:28,020 MATTER WHETHER YOU'RE ON THE 680 00:20:28,020 --> 00:20:29,100 RIGHT SIDE OF THIS ISSUE OR THE 681 00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:31,080 LEFT SIDE OF THIS ISSUE BECAUSE 682 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,100 I THINK EDUCATION SHOULD RULE IN 683 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:34,200 WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR KIDS AND HOW 684 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,240 WE BRING THOSE SIDES TOGETHER TO 685 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:36,140 TALK ABOUT THAT. 686 00:20:36,140 --> 00:20:37,290 BUT THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU 687 00:20:37,290 --> 00:20:39,190 JUST SAID, TO THE VERY POINT 688 00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:41,150 THAT ALL OF THIS RHETORIC THAT 689 00:20:41,150 --> 00:20:43,250 WE'VE GONE THROUGH FOR THE LAST 690 00:20:43,250 --> 00:20:45,100 FOUR YEARS HAS BEEN SO 691 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:47,050 DETRIMENTAL TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING 692 00:20:47,050 --> 00:20:48,190 TO DO THAT WE HAVE GOT TO SEE 693 00:20:48,190 --> 00:20:50,090 SOME CHANGE AND I DON'T THINK 694 00:20:50,090 --> 00:20:52,050 THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WOULDN'T SAY 695 00:20:52,050 --> 00:20:54,150 THIS IS DYSFUNCTIONAL, IT HAS 696 00:20:54,150 --> 00:20:55,170 GOT TO BE FIXED. 697 00:20:55,170 --> 00:20:57,240 THE LEGISLATURE HAS A STAKE IN 698 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,100 WHAT'S GOING ON WHEN WE 699 00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:01,130 CONTRIBUTE MORE THAN $15 BILLION 700 00:21:02,030 --> 00:21:05,030 OUT OF A BIENNIAL BUDGET TOWARDS 701 00:21:05,030 --> 00:21:07,140 EDUCATION THROUGH K12 EDUCATION, 702 00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:09,110 WE ARE A STAKEHOLDER AND WE HAVE 703 00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:10,180 A RIGHT AND AN OBLIGATION TO 704 00:21:10,180 --> 00:21:12,000 MAKE SURE THAT IT WORKS. 705 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,160 AND I AGREE AND I THINK WE'VE 706 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,200 GOT TO DO THIS, TOO. 707 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,100 WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD AND WHEN WE 708 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:17,230 TALK ABOUT REFORM WE CAN'T LEAVE 709 00:21:17,230 --> 00:21:19,290 OUT PARENTS, OBVIOUSLY, 710 00:21:19,290 --> 00:21:21,140 GUARDIANS, WE -- NEITHER CAN WE 711 00:21:21,140 --> 00:21:22,080 LEAVE OUT TEACHERS. 712 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,220 THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE IN THE 713 00:21:23,220 --> 00:21:24,030 CLASSROOM. 714 00:21:25,020 --> 00:21:28,020 I THINK WE TALK ABOUT THE -- THE 715 00:21:28,020 --> 00:21:29,260 ECOLOGIST SAYING THAT THE 716 00:21:29,260 --> 00:21:31,140 ENROLLMENT IN THOSE EDUCATION 717 00:21:31,140 --> 00:21:32,170 COURSES ARE DOWN, NOBODY WANTS 718 00:21:32,170 --> 00:21:34,150 TO BE A TEACHER ANYMORE, IS THE 719 00:21:34,150 --> 00:21:36,140 OLD TERM THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING 720 00:21:36,140 --> 00:21:37,150 NOW, I THINK THERE'S A REASON 721 00:21:37,150 --> 00:21:39,140 FOR THAT, IT'S BECAUSE THE 722 00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:40,250 MORALE IS LOW. 723 00:21:40,250 --> 00:21:42,020 I FEEL ANYBODY WHO HAS A LITTLE 724 00:21:42,020 --> 00:21:43,220 BIT OF A TEACHER IN THEM ANYTIME 725 00:21:43,220 --> 00:21:44,290 THAT SUPERINTENDENT RITZ IS 726 00:21:44,290 --> 00:21:46,270 ATTACKED THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE 727 00:21:46,270 --> 00:21:47,260 BEING ATTACKED AS WELL. 728 00:21:47,260 --> 00:21:50,240 SO I THINK TEACHERS, THEY HAVE 729 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,270 THAT PERSONAL FEELING WITH, A 730 00:21:52,270 --> 00:21:54,180 CONNECTION WITH ANOTHER TEACHER 731 00:21:54,180 --> 00:21:55,230 THAT, HEY, IF YOU'RE ATTACKING 732 00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:57,140 GLENDA RITZ, YOU'RE ATTACKING 733 00:21:57,140 --> 00:21:57,240 ME. 734 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,030 VERY QUICK LAST WORD BECAUSE 735 00:21:59,030 --> 00:22:00,210 THIS IS A THREE-HOUR COURSE AND 736 00:22:00,210 --> 00:22:03,000 I JUST TRIED TO JAM IT IN. 737 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,210 I THINK WE HAVE TO HOPE THAT 738 00:22:04,210 --> 00:22:05,270 COMES OUT OF THIS SESSION IS 739 00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:07,010 CLARITY AROUND ROLES AND 740 00:22:07,010 --> 00:22:08,090 RESPONSIBILITIES AND CERTAINLY 741 00:22:08,090 --> 00:22:09,210 ACCOUNTABILITY INSIDE OF OUR 742 00:22:09,210 --> 00:22:10,280 GOVERNANCE SYSTEM, WITHOUT A 743 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,030 CLEAR STRUCTURE I THINK IT WILL 744 00:22:13,030 --> 00:22:14,110 CONTINUE TO LINGER AND I HOPE 745 00:22:14,110 --> 00:22:15,140 THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. 746 00:22:15,140 --> 00:22:17,080 EDUCATION SUPPORTED, STUDENT 747 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:17,190 CENTERED. 748 00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:19,010 BY MEDICAL IS RINGING I HEAR 749 00:22:19,010 --> 00:22:20,230 IT, WE'VE GOT TO GO. 750 00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:21,290 ALWAYS LUNCHTIME FOR ME. 751 00:22:22,180 --> 00:22:25,180 THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE 752 00:22:25,180 --> 00:22:26,220 AGAIN, MY GUESTS HAVE BEEN RS 753 00:22:27,020 --> 00:22:30,020 HOLDMAN OF MARKLE, DEMOCRATIC RF 754 00:22:30,020 --> 00:22:31,120 AUSTIN, TERESA MEREDITH OF THE S 755 00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:36,230 ASSOCIATION, AND BRAD OLIVER OF. 756 00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:37,290 WINE IS FINE, LIQUOR IS QUICR 757 00:22:37,290 --> 00:22:39,110 ON SUNDAY -- YET. 758 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,000 ON THE NEXT "INDIANA LAWMAKERS." 759 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,060 TIME NOW FOR OUR WEEKLY CONV, 760 00:22:53,060 --> 00:22:54,130 PUBLISHER OF THE NEWSLETTER "IND 761 00:22:54,130 --> 00:22:55,150 ITS SISTER PUBLICATION, "INDIAN" 762 00:22:55,150 --> 00:22:56,130 HOW MUCH OF THIS IS GOOD 763 00:22:56,130 --> 00:22:58,080 OLD-FASHIONED PARTISAN POLITICS? 764 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,150 A LOT OF IS INVOLVED IN 765 00:23:00,150 --> 00:23:01,180 PARTISAN POLITICS AND 766 00:23:01,180 --> 00:23:03,150 PERSONALITIES BUT IT GOES BACK 767 00:23:03,150 --> 00:23:04,210 TO CLASS BASKETBALL, WHEN WE 768 00:23:04,210 --> 00:23:07,030 CHANGED TO CLASS BASKETBALL THAT 769 00:23:07,030 --> 00:23:07,140 RUINED -- 770 00:23:07,140 --> 00:23:08,120 WISE WORDS, I KNEW IT WAS 771 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:11,100 GOING TO COME BACK TO HAUNT. 772 00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:14,030 IS THIS AN R&D THING OR MUCH 773 00:23:14,030 --> 00:23:14,130 BROADER? 774 00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:15,280 I THINK IT'S BROADER. 775 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,270 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THINGS IN 776 00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:18,250 GENERAL, DEMOCRACY ISN'T PRETTY 777 00:23:18,250 --> 00:23:21,030 AND WE'VE GOTTEN ALONG IN STATE 778 00:23:21,030 --> 00:23:22,150 GOVERNMENT WITH EXECUTIVE BORN 779 00:23:22,150 --> 00:23:24,060 AGENCIES AND EXECUTIVE BRANCH 780 00:23:24,060 --> 00:23:25,180 OFFICERS AND GOVERNORS BEING OF 781 00:23:25,180 --> 00:23:26,110 DIFFERENT PARTIES, YOU KNOW, 782 00:23:26,110 --> 00:23:27,210 YOU'VE GOT A GOVERNOR OF ONE 783 00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:28,180 PARTY, AN ATTORNEY GENERAL OF 784 00:23:28,180 --> 00:23:29,260 ANOTHER PARTY. 785 00:23:29,260 --> 00:23:31,030 THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. 786 00:23:31,030 --> 00:23:32,290 AND THEY SEEMED TO HAVE GOTTEN 787 00:23:33,070 --> 00:23:36,070 ALONG TOGETHER BACK IN THE BAYH 788 00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:38,030 AND PEARCESON DAYS THAT WE USED 789 00:23:38,030 --> 00:23:39,220 TO COVER AND GOING BACK THEN YOU 790 00:23:39,220 --> 00:23:41,210 HAD EVAN BAYH AND DEAN EVANS, 791 00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:42,230 DIFFERENT PARTIES, THE 792 00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:44,020 SUPERINTENDENT AND GOVERNOR OF 793 00:23:44,020 --> 00:23:45,100 DIFFERENT PARTIES, YOU HAD 794 00:23:45,100 --> 00:23:47,080 SUELLEN REED, A SUPERINTENDENT 795 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,260 WHO WAS REPUBLICAN WHO RAN 796 00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:50,290 AGAINST EVAN BAYH'S HAND-PICKED 797 00:23:50,290 --> 00:23:51,240 CANDIDATE FOR SUPERINTENDENT, 798 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,220 THEY GOT ALONG. 799 00:23:52,220 --> 00:23:54,290 SO TO A CERTAIN EXTENT A LOT OF 800 00:23:54,290 --> 00:23:55,280 THIS DISCUSSION WOULDN'T BE 801 00:23:55,290 --> 00:23:58,290 HAPPENING IF TONY BENNETT WERE 802 00:23:58,290 --> 00:24:00,040 STILL SUPERINTENDENT. 803 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,160 BUT THERE'S MORE TO IT. 804 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,100 THE FACT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, 805 00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:05,040 FOR EXAMPLE, LEGISLATIVE 806 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,130 INTERVENTION IN THIS, 807 00:24:06,130 --> 00:24:07,180 LEGISLATIVE APPOINTMENTS IN THIS 808 00:24:07,180 --> 00:24:08,200 PROCESS, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT 809 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,060 MORE TO IT AND THAT'S GOING TO 810 00:24:10,060 --> 00:24:11,070 BE VERY INTERESTING. 811 00:24:11,070 --> 00:24:13,270 I THINK THAT'S MAYBE THE REAL 812 00:24:13,270 --> 00:24:16,260 UNDERSTATED KIND OF ISSUE FROM 813 00:24:16,260 --> 00:24:18,030 ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION THAT 814 00:24:18,030 --> 00:24:21,010 WE'VE REALLY NOT TOUCHED ON AND 815 00:24:21,010 --> 00:24:22,200 THAT'S TO WHAT EXTENT THE 816 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,150 LEGISLATURE SHOULD BE INVOLVED 817 00:24:23,150 --> 00:24:25,030 IN GOING BEYOND JUST SETTING THE 818 00:24:25,030 --> 00:24:27,180 POLICY THAT THEY'VE SET AND 819 00:24:27,180 --> 00:24:28,270 BEING ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN 820 00:24:28,270 --> 00:24:30,000 PICKING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING 821 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,000 TO IMPLEMENT THAT POLICY. 822 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,180 AND YOU THINK THAT WILL PLAY 823 00:24:32,180 --> 00:24:33,200 WELL IN THE END OR DO YOU THINK 824 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,000 THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE 825 00:24:36,030 --> 00:24:39,030 PEOPLE, HEY, IF THIS WERE A 826 00:24:39,030 --> 00:24:41,140 PLAYGROUND WE'D TELL THEM TO 827 00:24:41,140 --> 00:24:43,150 WORK IT OUT. 828 00:24:43,150 --> 00:24:45,170 GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE 829 00:24:45,170 --> 00:24:46,230 LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO ANSWER 830 00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:48,030 WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO DO 831 00:24:48,030 --> 00:24:49,170 SOMETHING I'M NOT SURE THAT'S 832 00:24:49,170 --> 00:24:50,230 EASY TO ANSWER. 833 00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:51,150 ANOTHER THING THEY'RE GOING TO 834 00:24:51,150 --> 00:24:53,070 HAVE TO LOOK AT IS CHANGING 835 00:24:53,070 --> 00:24:53,220 POLICY. 836 00:24:53,220 --> 00:24:55,290 AND ONE OF THOSE POLICY 837 00:24:55,290 --> 00:24:57,050 DETERMINATIONS THEY'VE MADE IS 838 00:24:57,050 --> 00:24:58,070 WE HAVE REPRESENTATIONS ON THE 839 00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:59,130 BOARD FROM CERTAIN TYPES OF 840 00:24:59,130 --> 00:25:02,070 GROUPS AND FROM CERTAIN 841 00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:02,270 GEOGRAPHIC AREAS. 842 00:25:02,270 --> 00:25:04,170 WE'D BE DOING AWAY WITH -- I 843 00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:06,150 THINK SENATOR HOLDMAN INDICATED, 844 00:25:06,150 --> 00:25:07,250 WELL, THAT'S STILL KIND OF UP IN 845 00:25:07,250 --> 00:25:09,160 THE AIR AS TO WHETHER WE'D HAVE 846 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,040 TO HAVE EDUCATORS ON THERE BUT 847 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,250 WE'D BE DOING AWAY WITH 848 00:25:12,250 --> 00:25:14,040 REPRESENTATION BY CONGRESSIONAL 849 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,100 DISTRICT AND CLEARLY WHETHER 850 00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:18,010 YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE 851 00:25:18,010 --> 00:25:19,140 APPOINTED BY A GOVERNOR WHO 852 00:25:19,140 --> 00:25:21,220 WOULD KNOW EVERYTHING GOING ON 853 00:25:21,220 --> 00:25:24,100 IN MEDORA, ROME OR OTHER SMALL 854 00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:25,220 TOWNS AROUND THE THE STATE WHERE 855 00:25:25,220 --> 00:25:26,270 THEY'RE KIND OF REQUIRED TO 856 00:25:26,270 --> 00:25:28,130 RIGHT NOW WITH THAT DISTRICT 857 00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:28,270 REPRESENTATION. 858 00:25:28,270 --> 00:25:29,210 INTERESTING TOPIC, EDUCATION 859 00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:31,170 ALWAYS IS, ED, THANK YOU FOR 860 00:25:31,170 --> 00:25:33,070 YOUR INSIGHT, WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT 861 00:25:33,070 --> 00:25:34,290 WEEK. 862 00:25:34,290 --> 00:25:36,270 FOR MORE INFORMATION, EPISODE 863 00:25:36,270 --> 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