WEBVTT 00:04.190 --> 00:07.190 align:start PERHAPS THE FIERCEST POLITICR 00:07.190 --> 00:09.290 align:start WAS WAGED BY TWO ELECTED OFFICIE 00:09.290 --> 00:12.000 align:start BALLOT IN 2014 -- REPUBLICAN GOD 00:12.000 --> 00:14.130 align:start DEMOCRATIC SUPERINTENDENT OF PU. 00:16.030 --> 00:19.030 align:start BOTH TOOK OFFICE IN JANUARY 201, 00:19.030 --> 00:21.180 align:start THEY'VE BEEN VYING FOR CONTROL N 00:21.180 --> 00:23.260 align:start THE STATE. 00:23.260 --> 00:26.010 align:start NOW THEIR FIGHT IS MOVING TO TH. 00:26.010 --> 00:27.080 align:start HI, I'M JON SCHWANTES, AND ON TA 00:27.080 --> 00:28.230 align:start LAWMAKERS," WE'LL TAKE IN-DEPTHE 00:28.230 --> 00:31.080 align:start BATTLE FOR THE FUTURE OF INDIAN. 00:31.080 --> 00:32.290 align:start BATTLE FOR THE FUTURE OF 00:32.290 --> 00:33.150 align:start INDIANA'S SCHOOLS. 00:33.150 --> 00:35.280 align:start HERE WITH A PRIMER ON THE ISSUE 00:35.280 --> 00:37.100 align:start IS ERIC WEDDLE, EDUCATION 00:37.100 --> 00:40.050 align:start REPORTER FOR WFYI PUBLIC MEDIA. 00:40.050 --> 00:41.160 align:start LET'S GO ON WITH THE APPROVAL 00:41.160 --> 00:43.230 align:start OF THE MINUTES, PLEASE. 00:43.230 --> 00:44.270 align:start NO, I DON'T THINK WE NEED -- 00:45.070 --> 00:48.070 align:start I THINK WE NEED TO FOLLOW OUR 00:48.070 --> 00:49.030 align:start PROCEDURES. 00:49.030 --> 00:50.210 align:start OUR MEETING PROCEDURES. 00:50.210 --> 00:53.030 align:start YOUR RULING HAS BEEN APPEALED. 00:53.030 --> 00:54.270 align:start ASK FOR THE RULING OF THE 00:54.270 --> 00:55.060 align:start CHAIR. 00:57.290 --> 01:00.290 align:start NOT A RULING THAT'S BEEN 01:00.290 --> 01:01.100 align:start APPEALED. 01:01.100 --> 01:02.180 align:start GLENDA RITZ CLASHED OVER 01:02.180 --> 01:05.000 align:start BOARD GOVERNANCE ALMOST OVER THE 01:05.000 --> 01:06.090 align:start START. 01:06.090 --> 01:07.270 align:start NUMEROUS BILLS SEEMED TO CHANGE 01:07.270 --> 01:10.030 align:start HOW THE SUPERINTENDENT IS CHOSEN 01:10.230 --> 01:13.230 align:start AND HOW THE BOARD OF EDUCATION. 01:14.170 --> 01:17.170 align:start A BILL BY. 01:17.170 --> 01:18.290 align:start LET'S ASSUME THAT 01:18.290 --> 01:20.210 align:start SUPERINTENDENT RITZ IS REELECTED 01:20.210 --> 01:23.200 align:start FOR ANOTHER FOUR-YEAR TERM, WE 01:23.200 --> 01:24.290 align:start CAN'T CONTINUE THIS DYSFUNCTION 01:24.290 --> 01:26.020 align:start IN SIX YEARS. 01:26.020 --> 01:27.260 align:start BUT NOT EVERYONE AGREES 01:27.260 --> 01:28.090 align:start WITHHOLDMAN. 01:28.090 --> 01:29.260 align:start SOME DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKERS ARE 01:29.260 --> 01:31.000 align:start OPPOSED TO ANY CHANGES THAT 01:31.010 --> 01:34.010 align:start WOULD ALTER RITZ'S CURRENT 01:34.010 --> 01:34.150 align:start RESPONSIBILITY. 01:34.150 --> 01:36.230 align:start DANIEL OLDMAN CALLED IT A 01:36.230 --> 01:38.230 align:start POLITICAL POWER GRAB. 01:38.230 --> 01:41.110 align:start BUT HOLDMAN BELIEVES IT MUST BE 01:41.110 --> 01:42.080 align:start CHANGE. 01:42.080 --> 01:43.090 align:start WHAT SENATE BILL 1 DOES IS 01:43.090 --> 01:44.200 align:start ALLOW FOR THE ELECTION OF THE 01:44.200 --> 01:46.260 align:start CHAIR OF THE STATE BOARD OF 01:46.260 --> 01:48.130 align:start EDUCATION TO BE CHOSEN BY THE 01:48.130 --> 01:50.220 align:start MEMBERS OF THE STATE BOARD OF 01:50.220 --> 01:51.090 align:start EDUCATION THEMSELVES. 01:51.090 --> 01:53.190 align:start I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT IT 01:53.190 --> 01:56.060 align:start MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE WHO THE 01:56.060 --> 01:57.220 align:start CHAIR IS AS LONG AS A PROCESS 01:57.220 --> 01:59.280 align:start AND PROCEDURE IS SPELLED OUT FOR 01:59.280 --> 02:00.240 align:start THAT CHAIR. 02:01.000 --> 02:04.000 align:start EXPECT THIS ISSUE TO BE 02:04.000 --> 02:05.060 align:start DEBATED SOON. 02:05.060 --> 02:07.200 align:start I'M ERIC WEDDLE AT THE INDIANA 02:07.200 --> 02:09.060 align:start STATEHOUSE 02:09.060 --> 02:09.270 align:start THANKS, ERIC. 02:09.270 --> 02:10.290 align:start BACK IN A MOMENT WITH OUR RO. 02:54.250 --> 02:56.020 align:start ACCUSATIONS OF BACKSTABBING,, 02:56.020 --> 02:57.080 align:start THE DISCLOSURE OF COMPROMISING N 02:58.040 --> 03:01.040 align:start AND, WELL, THE FILING OF LITIGA. 03:01.120 --> 03:04.120 align:start WELCOME TO EDUCATION POLICYMAKI. 03:04.120 --> 03:06.000 align:start AS IS NO DOUBT CLEAR BY NOW, MIT 03:06.000 --> 03:08.120 align:start AGREE ON MUCH OF ANYTHING. 03:08.120 --> 03:10.030 align:start BOTH OF THEM, HOWEVER, WOULD ACG 03:10.050 --> 03:13.050 align:start APPROACH TO EDUCATIONAL GOVERNAS 03:13.140 --> 03:16.140 align:start THAN IDEAL. 03:16.200 --> 03:19.200 align:start JOINING ME TO DISCUSS WHAT CAN O 03:20.020 --> 03:23.020 align:start IMPROVE THE SITUATION ARE FOUR N 03:23.020 --> 03:25.070 align:start THE PROCESS -- REPUBLICAN SENAT, 03:25.070 --> 03:28.070 align:start THE AUTHOR OF SENATE BILL 1, WHE 03:28.190 --> 03:31.190 align:start BOARD OF EDUCATION AND ITS LEAS 03:31.190 --> 03:34.060 align:start DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE TERRYO 03:35.080 --> 03:38.080 align:start SERVES AS SUPERINTENDENT OF CRON 03:38.080 --> 03:40.260 align:start JACKSON COUNTY, TERESA MEREDITHE 03:40.260 --> 03:43.100 align:start 40,000-MEMBER INDIANA STATE TEAN 03:43.100 --> 03:46.000 align:start AND STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION MEE 03:46.000 --> 03:48.000 align:start DEAN OF THE SCHOOL OF EDUCATIONA 03:50.180 --> 03:53.180 align:start WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY. 03:53.180 --> 03:55.270 align:start AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING 03:55.270 --> 03:57.280 align:start HERE FOR I THINK WHAT WILL BE A 03:57.280 --> 03:58.190 align:start LIVELY DISCUSSION. 03:58.190 --> 04:00.160 align:start GROWING UP WATCHING TV ON THE 04:00.160 --> 04:02.280 align:start MORNINGS ON THE WEEKENDS I'D SEE 04:02.280 --> 04:03.250 align:start CONJUNCTION JUNCTION, 04:03.250 --> 04:05.220 align:start EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING AT ITS 04:05.220 --> 04:07.160 align:start FINEST, THIS SOUNDS MORE LIKE 04:07.160 --> 04:08.120 align:start DYSFUNCTION JUNCTION AND I 04:08.120 --> 04:10.100 align:start WONDER WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT 04:10.100 --> 04:13.030 align:start SOLUTIONS BUT FIRST LET'S TALK 04:13.030 --> 04:14.220 align:start ABOUT HOW WE ARE WHERE WE ARE, 04:14.220 --> 04:17.120 align:start TRAVIS HOLDMAN FELL US WHY WE'RE 04:17.120 --> 04:19.240 align:start IN A PICKLE NOW IF INDEED IT IS 04:19.240 --> 04:20.240 align:start A PICKLE. 04:20.240 --> 04:21.230 align:start I BELIEVE IT IS A PICKLE AND 04:21.230 --> 04:23.010 align:start I THINK THERE'S SIGNIFICANT 04:23.010 --> 04:24.110 align:start DYSFUNCTION WITH WHAT'S GOING ON 04:24.110 --> 04:26.100 align:start WITH THE STATE BOARD AND THE 04:26.100 --> 04:27.260 align:start DEPARTMENT. 04:27.260 --> 04:30.160 align:start AND I THINK THIS HAS SORT OF 04:30.160 --> 04:32.070 align:start BEEN THE OUTGROWTH OF 04:32.070 --> 04:33.100 align:start DIFFICULTIES WE WENT THROUGH 04:33.100 --> 04:34.130 align:start FOUR AND FIVE YEARS AGO. 04:34.130 --> 04:37.030 align:start AND I SAY TO FOLKS IN MY 04:37.030 --> 04:39.000 align:start CONSTITUENTS AS I'VE HAD THIRD 04:39.000 --> 04:41.040 align:start HOUSE MEETINGS ALREADY TONY 04:41.040 --> 04:42.200 align:start BENNETT AND GOVERNOR MITCH 04:42.200 --> 04:44.160 align:start DANIELS DON'T LIVE IN THE 04:44.160 --> 04:45.110 align:start STATEHOUSE ANYMORE. 04:45.110 --> 04:46.260 align:start THEY ARE GONE. 04:47.210 --> 04:50.230 align:start BUT I THINK THERE WAS 04:50.230 --> 04:52.290 align:start SIGNIFICANT AND SUFFICIENT 04:52.290 --> 04:55.170 align:start DISCUSSION DURING THEIR TENURE 04:55.170 --> 04:58.020 align:start TO GET EDUCATION REFORM PASSED, 04:58.020 --> 04:59.050 align:start THAT THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE 04:59.050 --> 05:02.030 align:start SAID BY THE TWO OF THEM AND 05:02.030 --> 05:03.050 align:start THINGS THAT WERE SAID BY 05:03.050 --> 05:05.020 align:start TEACHERS AND THE TEACHERS 05:05.020 --> 05:07.170 align:start ASSOCIATION THEMSELVES THAT HAVE 05:07.170 --> 05:09.110 align:start REALLY DENIGRATED EDUCATION IN 05:09.110 --> 05:10.180 align:start THE STATE OF INDIANA. 05:10.180 --> 05:11.230 align:start I HAVE A GROUP OF 05:11.230 --> 05:12.290 align:start SUPERINTENDENTS THAT I MEET WITH 05:12.290 --> 05:15.080 align:start ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND 05:15.080 --> 05:16.020 align:start SUPERINTENDENT RITZ WAS THERE 05:16.020 --> 05:17.180 align:start JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AS I'VE 05:17.280 --> 05:20.280 align:start DONE WITH SHE AND WITH 05:20.280 --> 05:21.100 align:start DR. BENNETT. 05:22.050 --> 05:25.050 align:start AND WE HAD A GENTLEMAN FROM IPFW 05:25.050 --> 05:26.040 align:start WHO HEADS UP THE EDUCATION 05:26.040 --> 05:27.120 align:start PROGRAM AND HE SAID THAT THEY 05:27.120 --> 05:29.120 align:start HAVE 20% FEWER STUDENTS GOING 05:29.120 --> 05:31.130 align:start INTO EDUCATION. 05:31.130 --> 05:32.160 align:start AND HE SAID EVERY ONE OF THEM HE 05:32.160 --> 05:34.160 align:start HAS TO SPEAK WITH IF THEY CHANGE 05:34.160 --> 05:35.180 align:start THEIR MAJOR. 05:35.180 --> 05:37.180 align:start AND HE ASKED THEM WHY ARE YOU 05:37.180 --> 05:39.130 align:start CHANGING YOUR MAJOR FROM 05:39.130 --> 05:39.240 align:start EDUCATION? 05:39.240 --> 05:40.240 align:start HE SAID BECAUSE MY TEACHERS TELL 05:41.030 --> 05:44.030 align:start ME DON'T GO INTO EDUCATION, IT'S 05:44.030 --> 05:45.190 align:start A BIGAMIES TAKE FOR YOU TO GO -- 05:45.190 --> 05:46.270 align:start TO BECOME A TEACHER. 05:47.160 --> 05:50.180 align:start I THINK THAT'S A SAD STATE FOR 05:50.180 --> 05:51.120 align:start THE STATE OF INDIANA. 05:51.120 --> 05:53.070 align:start AND I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH BLAME 05:53.070 --> 05:55.010 align:start TO GO AROUND ON BOTH SIDES ON 05:55.010 --> 05:56.000 align:start THIS ISSUE. 05:56.000 --> 05:58.190 align:start BUT WE HAVE GOT TO CHANGE THE 05:58.190 --> 06:00.090 align:start TENOR AND THE DISCUSSION THAT 06:00.090 --> 06:01.280 align:start WE'RE HAVING ABOUT EDUCATION IN 06:01.280 --> 06:03.070 align:start OUR STATE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE 06:04.050 --> 06:07.050 align:start CAN DO FOR KIDS TO IMPROVE 06:07.050 --> 06:08.260 align:start EDUCATION, WHAT WE CAN DO FOR 06:08.260 --> 06:10.210 align:start TEACHERS TO BE MORE SUPPORTIVE 06:10.210 --> 06:12.230 align:start OF TEACHERS, TO PAY THEM THE 06:12.230 --> 06:15.030 align:start VERY MOST THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN 06:15.030 --> 06:17.170 align:start FOR THE EFFECTIVE AND HIGHLY 06:17.170 --> 06:18.120 align:start EFFECTIVE TEACHER BECAUSE WE 06:18.120 --> 06:20.110 align:start HAVE GOT TO INVEST IN EDUCATION 06:20.110 --> 06:22.100 align:start IN THAT FASHION. 06:23.050 --> 06:26.050 align:start I'LL JUMP IN, I WATCHED THOSE 06:26.050 --> 06:27.150 align:start SATURDAY MORNING PROGRAMS AS 06:27.150 --> 06:29.020 align:start WELL CONJUNCTION, WATCH YOUR 06:29.020 --> 06:29.290 align:start FUNCTION, I THINK THAT'S WHERE 06:29.290 --> 06:31.260 align:start WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, THERE'S 06:31.260 --> 06:33.200 align:start DEFINITELY A TURF WAR GOING ON. 06:33.200 --> 06:34.220 align:start WE'VEO GOTS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT 06:34.220 --> 06:35.260 align:start IS THE FUNCTION OF THE 06:35.260 --> 06:37.080 align:start SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC 06:37.080 --> 06:38.140 align:start INSTRUCTION, I THINK IT'S TO TRY 06:38.140 --> 06:39.200 align:start TO WORK WITH PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND 06:39.200 --> 06:41.010 align:start OTHER SCHOOLS TO TRY TO MAKE 06:41.010 --> 06:42.130 align:start SURE THAT OUR STUDENTS ARE 06:42.130 --> 06:44.100 align:start RECEIVING THE BEST EDUCATION 06:44.100 --> 06:45.050 align:start POSSIBLE, IN THE ENTIRE UNITED 06:45.050 --> 06:46.140 align:start STATES OF AMERICA AND THE WORLD. 06:46.140 --> 06:49.140 align:start I GOVERNOR, I THINK, SEES IT 06:49.140 --> 06:51.120 align:start IT'S HIS ROLE AND HE STEPPED UP 06:51.120 --> 06:53.060 align:start EARLIER IN THE STATE OF THE 06:53.060 --> 06:54.210 align:start STATE AND SAID, HEY, THIS IS 06:54.210 --> 06:56.000 align:start GOING TO BE AN EDUCATION SESSION 06:56.000 --> 06:58.270 align:start BUT HE HASN'T PUT FORTH ANY REAL 06:58.270 --> 06:59.190 align:start EDUCATIONAL PROPOSALS OTHER THAN 06:59.190 --> 07:01.100 align:start JUST THE WORNOUT OLD PROPOSALS 07:01.100 --> 07:03.240 align:start THAT'S BEEN GOING AROUND 07:03.240 --> 07:04.040 align:start UNDER -- 07:04.040 --> 07:05.050 align:start HE CAN SPEAK FOR HIMSELF BUT 07:05.050 --> 07:07.270 align:start HE WOULD SAY I'M SURE TEACHER 07:07.270 --> 07:09.090 align:start GRANTS, PERFORMANCE GRANTS, HE 07:09.090 --> 07:10.200 align:start WOULD TALK ABOUT THE CHOICE 07:10.200 --> 07:13.120 align:start PROGRAM, THE VOUCHER PROGRAM, 07:13.120 --> 07:14.180 align:start EXPANSION, WHETHER YOU LOVE THEM 07:14.180 --> 07:16.080 align:start OR HATE THEM THEY'RE NEW 07:16.080 --> 07:16.210 align:start PROPOSALS. 07:16.210 --> 07:18.060 align:start THEY'RE NOT NEW AT ALL. 07:19.070 --> 07:22.070 align:start JUST NEW MONEY FOR OLD PROGRAMS. 07:22.070 --> 07:24.020 align:start IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE 07:24.020 --> 07:24.280 align:start STRUCTURE OF INSTRUCTION WHICH 07:24.280 --> 07:26.280 align:start THEY SAY THEY DO I DON'T THINK 07:26.280 --> 07:28.170 align:start YOU THROW NEW MONEY AT OLD 07:28.170 --> 07:29.120 align:start PROBLEMS AND ISSUES. 07:29.120 --> 07:31.050 align:start WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE 07:31.050 --> 07:32.170 align:start CHANGE THE SYSTEM. 07:32.170 --> 07:33.140 align:start CLEARLY THERE'S A 07:33.140 --> 07:35.120 align:start DISAGREEMENT ABOUT THE FUNCTION, 07:36.170 --> 07:39.170 align:start BUT WHY HASN'T IT EVER SURFACED 07:39.170 --> 07:40.070 align:start BEFORE. 07:40.110 --> 07:43.110 align:start AND SOMEONE JUST WALKS IN FROM 07:43.110 --> 07:45.170 align:start MARS, IT'S OBVIOUS YOU HAVE A 07:45.170 --> 07:47.170 align:start REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR, THE ONLY 07:47.170 --> 07:49.180 align:start DEMOCRATIC STATE-WIDE 07:49.180 --> 07:50.160 align:start OFFICEHOLDER RIGHT NOW IN THE 07:50.160 --> 07:51.060 align:start STATEHOUSE NATURALLY THEY'RE 07:51.060 --> 07:52.070 align:start GOING TO HAVE FRICTION AND I 07:52.070 --> 07:53.280 align:start GUESS TO SOME EXTENT, YES, BUT 07:53.280 --> 07:55.250 align:start YOU LOOK BACK AT OTHER 07:56.070 --> 07:59.070 align:start GOVERNORS, OTHER ADMINISTRATIONS 07:59.070 --> 08:00.090 align:start WHERE SUELLEN REED FOR INSTANCE, 08:00.090 --> 08:01.150 align:start LONGTIME SUPERINTENDENT, THERE 08:01.150 --> 08:03.000 align:start DIDN'T SEEM TO BE AS MUCH 08:03.000 --> 08:03.110 align:start FRICTION. 08:04.130 --> 08:07.130 align:start IS IT THAT THE PERSONALITY, DO 08:07.130 --> 08:09.110 align:start YOU THINK ARE DIFFERENT OR IS IT 08:09.110 --> 08:10.280 align:start THAT THE STAKES ARE HIGHER? 08:10.280 --> 08:12.030 align:start I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF 08:12.030 --> 08:12.190 align:start DYNAMICS THERE. 08:12.190 --> 08:14.150 align:start I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 08:14.150 --> 08:16.060 align:start ELECTION ITSELF, PEOPLE WERE 08:16.060 --> 08:17.080 align:start SHOCKED THAT SUPERINTENDENT 08:17.080 --> 08:17.240 align:start REHABILITATION WON. 08:17.240 --> 08:19.120 align:start I REALLY THINK MANY OF THE KEY 08:19.120 --> 08:20.040 align:start LEADERS IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY 08:20.040 --> 08:22.060 align:start WERE SHOCKED, DIDN'T EXPECT 08:22.060 --> 08:22.210 align:start THAT. 08:22.210 --> 08:23.180 align:start PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN HER 08:26.010 --> 08:29.010 align:start NAME BUT THEY DIDN'T LIKE SOME 08:29.010 --> 08:31.270 align:start OF THE WAYS THAT WE HAD MOVED 08:31.270 --> 08:32.160 align:start TOWARD EDUCATION REFORM. 08:32.160 --> 08:35.030 align:start SO THAT WAS, I BELIEVE, THE 08:35.030 --> 08:36.170 align:start VOTERS' VOICE SCREAMING, THAT 08:36.170 --> 08:38.080 align:start STOP THIS, LET'S REALLY LOOK 08:38.080 --> 08:40.110 align:start WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING TO HELP 08:40.110 --> 08:41.080 align:start STUDENTS TRULY SUCCEED AND SOME 08:41.080 --> 08:42.200 align:start OF THESE REFORMS ARE NOT THE WAY 08:42.200 --> 08:43.140 align:start TO DO IT. 08:43.140 --> 08:44.230 align:start SO I THINK SOME OF THE FRICTION 08:44.290 --> 08:47.290 align:start NOW IS THOSE FOLKS WHO HAD THIS 08:47.290 --> 08:49.160 align:start REFORM MOVEMENT WELL ON ITS WAY, 08:49.160 --> 08:51.290 align:start ROLLING DOWN THE HIGHWAY, AND IT 08:51.290 --> 08:54.070 align:start WAS STOPPED IN SOME RESPECTS 08:54.070 --> 08:56.010 align:start BRIEFLY WHEN SHE WAS ELECTED, 08:56.010 --> 08:57.220 align:start AND I THINK THAT CONTINUES TO BE 08:57.220 --> 08:59.130 align:start A RUB FOR SOME FOLKS. 08:59.130 --> 09:02.100 align:start LET'S SAY THIS, GENTLEMEN. 09:02.100 --> 09:04.040 align:start IT'S TOO COLD FOR POPULARS, 09:04.040 --> 09:05.260 align:start LET'S TAKE MERCURY. 09:05.260 --> 09:07.130 align:start LET'S TALK WARMTH. 09:07.130 --> 09:09.010 align:start AND REALLY, YOU POINTED THAT 09:09.010 --> 09:10.190 align:start OUT, THE DIFFERENCE IS THIS -- 09:10.190 --> 09:12.290 align:start THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT 09:12.290 --> 09:13.280 align:start PHILOSOPHICAL BELIEFS NOW IN THE 09:13.280 --> 09:14.080 align:start OFFICE. 09:14.080 --> 09:16.220 align:start THE GOVERNOR HAS ONE 09:16.220 --> 09:18.190 align:start PHILOSOPHICAL BELIEF OF THE 09:18.190 --> 09:19.100 align:start DIRECTION EDUCATION TO GO AND 09:19.100 --> 09:20.150 align:start THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT 09:20.150 --> 09:22.180 align:start SUPERINTENDENT BENNETT AND ALSO 09:22.180 --> 09:24.110 align:start GOVERNOR DANIELS PUSHED AND I 09:24.110 --> 09:25.080 align:start THINK SUPERINTENDENT RITZ HAS 09:25.080 --> 09:26.200 align:start GOT A DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY OF 09:26.200 --> 09:28.090 align:start HOW THE EDUCATIONAL PHILOSOPHY 09:28.090 --> 09:29.270 align:start SHOULD GO AND I THINK THAT'S THE 09:29.270 --> 09:31.120 align:start TROUBLE WITH THE PROBLEM WITH 09:31.120 --> 09:32.040 align:start THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION AT 09:32.040 --> 09:33.270 align:start THIS POINT IS THOSE TWO ARE 09:33.270 --> 09:35.120 align:start CLASHING INSTEAD OF TRYING TO 09:35.120 --> 09:37.090 align:start MELD TOGETHER THEY'RE ACTUALLY 09:37.090 --> 09:39.180 align:start BUTTING HEADS LIKE TWO RAMS ON A 09:39.180 --> 09:40.060 align:start MOUNTAINTOP. 09:40.060 --> 09:41.180 align:start I SUSPECT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN 09:41.180 --> 09:44.030 align:start INDIANA IS NOT UNLIKE WYOMING 09:44.030 --> 09:47.000 align:start WHERE THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN AN 09:47.000 --> 09:48.150 align:start INHERENT STRUCTURAL FLAW BY THE 09:48.230 --> 09:51.230 align:start WAY THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM IS 09:51.230 --> 09:52.030 align:start FORMED. 09:52.030 --> 09:53.120 align:start YOU HAVE A GOVERNOR THAT'S 09:53.120 --> 09:54.250 align:start ELECTED AND APPOINTS THE STATE 09:54.250 --> 09:57.200 align:start BOARD OF EDUCATION BUT ELECTING 09:57.200 --> 09:58.210 align:start THE STATE SUPERINTENDENT OF 09:58.210 --> 09:59.110 align:start PUBLIC INSTRUCTION. 09:59.110 --> 10:00.050 align:start GOING BACK TO SOMETHING THAT WAS 10:00.050 --> 10:03.050 align:start SAID EARLIER, I DO THINK YOU CAN 10:03.050 --> 10:04.150 align:start TRACE THE DYNAMIC BACK TO THE 10:04.150 --> 10:07.050 align:start LAST ELECTION, BEFORE THAT IN 10:07.050 --> 10:08.180 align:start 2010-11 WE PASSED INDIANA THE 10:08.180 --> 10:10.020 align:start PUTTING STUDENTS FIRST 10:10.020 --> 10:10.290 align:start LEGISLATIVE PACKAGE WHICH WAS 10:10.290 --> 10:12.180 align:start PART OF THE BENNETT-DANIELS 10:12.180 --> 10:14.140 align:start PACKAGE AND I THINK TERESA'S 10:14.140 --> 10:16.200 align:start RIGHT, I THINK A LOT OF THE 10:16.200 --> 10:18.140 align:start RHETORIC AT THAT TIME WAS WE HAD 10:18.140 --> 10:19.230 align:start BEEN STATUS QUO AND I HAPPEN TO 10:19.230 --> 10:21.050 align:start BELIEVE IT MYSELF BUT THE 10:21.050 --> 10:22.260 align:start RHETORIC IS WE HAVE KIDS TRAPPED 10:22.260 --> 10:24.020 align:start IN BAD SYSTEMS AND WHEN YOU 10:24.020 --> 10:25.060 align:start DON'T FINISH THAT THOUGHT AND 10:25.060 --> 10:26.270 align:start WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAID IS WE 10:26.270 --> 10:28.020 align:start HAVE GREAT TEACHERS IN THOSE 10:28.020 --> 10:29.110 align:start SYSTEMS WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE A 10:29.110 --> 10:29.230 align:start DIFFERENCE. 10:29.230 --> 10:30.200 align:start THAT JUST CONTRIBUTED TO THE 10:30.200 --> 10:31.280 align:start ENVIRONMENT THAT LED TO THE 10:31.280 --> 10:32.120 align:start ELECTION. 10:32.120 --> 10:34.220 align:start AND SO NOW WHAT'S GOING ON IS, 10:34.220 --> 10:36.210 align:start IS THAT WE HAVE A GOVERNOR WHO 10:36.210 --> 10:38.100 align:start HAS A VISION AND A SET OF GOALS 10:38.100 --> 10:39.280 align:start FOR EDUCATION AND RIGHTFULLY SO 10:39.280 --> 10:41.070 align:start IS TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THOSE AND 10:41.070 --> 10:43.100 align:start WE ALSO HAVE AN ELECTED 10:43.100 --> 10:44.140 align:start SUPERINTENDENT WHO HAS A 10:44.140 --> 10:45.290 align:start DIFFERING VISION AND GOALS AND 10:45.290 --> 10:48.190 align:start THAT'S WHERE THAT CONTENTION AND 10:48.190 --> 10:49.280 align:start DISJOINTEDNESS IS COMING FROM. 10:49.280 --> 10:51.210 align:start I GUESS THE OLD VICTIMS TO 10:51.210 --> 10:53.260 align:start THE VICTOR GO THE SPOILS, I 10:53.260 --> 10:55.060 align:start MEAN, DOES OR DOESN'T APPLY HERE 10:55.060 --> 10:56.290 align:start BECAUSE IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT 10:56.290 --> 10:58.180 align:start THE ELECTION RESULTS DID NOT 10:58.180 --> 11:00.030 align:start GLENDA RITZ GET MORE VOTES, 11:00.030 --> 11:01.120 align:start GRANTED THEY WERE IN DIFFERENT 11:01.140 --> 11:04.140 align:start CONTESTS BUT GOT MORE VOTES THAN 11:04.140 --> 11:05.090 align:start MIKE PENCE. 11:05.090 --> 11:06.120 align:start COULD YOU ARGUE THAT SHE SHOULD 11:06.120 --> 11:07.090 align:start CALL THE SHOTS? 11:07.090 --> 11:08.180 align:start I THINK THE CHALLENGES IN 11:08.180 --> 11:09.230 align:start INDIANA, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A 11:09.230 --> 11:10.270 align:start SHARED GOVERN NANCE SYSTEM. 11:10.270 --> 11:12.090 align:start THERE ARE MULTIPLE ENTITIES THAT 11:12.090 --> 11:14.270 align:start MAKE UP THE GOVERNANCE SYSTEM 11:14.270 --> 11:16.290 align:start YOU HAVE A GOVERNOR THAT 11:16.290 --> 11:19.130 align:start APPOINTS THE STATE BOARD OF 11:19.130 --> 11:20.170 align:start EDUCATION, GENERAL ASSEMBLY 11:20.170 --> 11:22.080 align:start THROUGH LEGISLATION WHO ARE 11:22.080 --> 11:23.110 align:start ESTABLISHING PUBLIC POLICY AND 11:23.110 --> 11:24.280 align:start IN MANY CASES THINK DIRECT THE 11:24.280 --> 11:27.020 align:start STATE BOARD TO PROMULGATE RULE 11:27.020 --> 11:29.020 align:start AND ESTABLISH STATE RULE TO HELP 11:29.020 --> 11:31.000 align:start THE DEPARTMENT HOW TO ENFORCE 11:31.000 --> 11:32.080 align:start THOSE AND THAT'S THE FOURTH 11:32.080 --> 11:33.140 align:start ENTITY THE DEPARTMENT THAT THE 11:33.140 --> 11:34.220 align:start SUPERINTENDENT IS LEADING. 11:34.220 --> 11:36.290 align:start IN I SHARED GOVERNANCE SYSTEM 11:36.290 --> 11:39.200 align:start ANY OF THOSE ENTITIES POSTURES 11:39.200 --> 11:41.140 align:start ITSELF AND SAY I'M SOLELY 11:41.140 --> 11:42.110 align:start RESPONSIBLE FOR EDUCATION IN 11:42.110 --> 11:44.240 align:start INDIANA WE GET THIS 11:44.240 --> 11:45.080 align:start DISJOINTEDNESS. 11:45.080 --> 11:46.050 align:start CERTAINLY CONTRIBUTED TO THAT 11:46.050 --> 11:48.140 align:start WHEN HE CONTRIBUTED C.C. AND HE 11:48.140 --> 11:50.090 align:start CHOSE NOT TO WORK WITH THE STATE 11:50.090 --> 11:51.210 align:start SUPERINTENDENT AS HIS ADVISOR ON 11:51.210 --> 11:52.220 align:start EDUCATION ISSUES AND EVEN THOUGH 11:52.220 --> 11:55.030 align:start THAT IS A MOOT POINT NOW, HE 11:55.030 --> 11:56.240 align:start HAS -- IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING HAS 11:56.240 --> 11:57.280 align:start APPOINTED TWO ADDITIONAL PEOPLE 11:57.280 --> 11:59.060 align:start TO ADVISE HIM ON EDUCATION WHEN 11:59.060 --> 12:01.060 align:start HE ALREADY HAS A STATE 12:01.060 --> 12:02.140 align:start SUPERINTENDENT, A STAFF AND 12:02.140 --> 12:04.030 align:start STATE BOARD ALREADY IN PLACE. 12:04.030 --> 12:07.000 align:start AND SO THAT -- THAT, I THINK, 12:07.000 --> 12:08.060 align:start CONTINUES TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE 12:08.060 --> 12:08.140 align:start RUB. 12:08.140 --> 12:09.240 align:start AND JUST TO BACK UP ONE 12:09.240 --> 12:11.090 align:start MOMENT FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT NOT 12:11.090 --> 12:12.210 align:start UNDERSTAND THE ACRONYM THAT WAS 12:12.210 --> 12:15.030 align:start THE CENTER FOR EDUCATION AND 12:15.030 --> 12:16.060 align:start CAREER INNOVATION WHICH SOME 12:16.060 --> 12:18.060 align:start WOULD SAY WAS EITHER A SHADOW OF 12:18.060 --> 12:18.270 align:start THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION OR 12:19.030 --> 12:22.030 align:start OTHERS WOULD SAY WAS AN 12:22.030 --> 12:23.110 align:start INNOVATIVE IMPETUS FOR CHANGE AS 12:23.110 --> 12:26.030 align:start YOU POINT OUT IT DOESN'T EXIST 12:26.030 --> 12:27.270 align:start ANYMORE MORE, AS THE GOVERNOR 12:27.270 --> 12:29.130 align:start SAID AN OLIVE BRANCH TO BRING 12:29.130 --> 12:30.000 align:start ABOUT CHANGE. 12:30.000 --> 12:30.240 align:start LET'S TALK ABOUT THE IDEAS THAT 12:30.240 --> 12:31.280 align:start ARE ON THE TABLE. 12:31.280 --> 12:34.040 align:start YOU, SENATOR, ARE THE AUTHOR OF 12:34.040 --> 12:35.020 align:start SENATE BILL 1 WHICH 12:35.020 --> 12:37.050 align:start TRADITIONALLY WHATEVER GETS THE 12:37.050 --> 12:38.080 align:start LABEL SENATE BILL 1 I'M NOT A 12:38.080 --> 12:40.240 align:start BETTING MAN USUALLY BUT I WOULD 12:40.240 --> 12:42.060 align:start GUESS THOSE WOULD BE PRETTY GOOD 12:42.060 --> 12:44.200 align:start ODDS IT'S BEEN PLACED AS A PRIME 12:44.200 --> 12:46.020 align:start ISSUE -- 12:46.020 --> 12:46.160 align:start PRIORITY. 12:46.160 --> 12:47.280 align:start PRIORITY CERTAINLY FOR A 12:47.280 --> 12:48.110 align:start LEADERSHIP -- 12:48.110 --> 12:49.260 align:start WE DO A LOT OF THINGS. 12:49.260 --> 12:51.160 align:start LET'S START WITH THE CHANGE IN 12:51.160 --> 12:54.160 align:start THE WAY THE LEADERSHIP OF THE 12:54.160 --> 12:55.160 align:start BOARD IS FORMED. 12:55.160 --> 12:56.280 align:start GLITLE WOULD NO LONGER BE 12:56.280 --> 12:58.030 align:start EFFECTIVELY THE HEAD OF THE 12:58.030 --> 12:58.250 align:start STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION. 12:58.250 --> 13:00.110 align:start IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SHE COULD 13:00.110 --> 13:02.060 align:start BE, IF THE MEMBERS ELECT HER. 13:02.060 --> 13:04.100 align:start IF THE 10 PEOPLE WHO ARE 13:04.100 --> 13:05.260 align:start BUTTING HEADS WITH HER INCLUDING 13:05.260 --> 13:08.050 align:start ONE SITTING HERE IN THE ROOM 13:08.050 --> 13:09.270 align:start WOULD SOMEHOW HAVE A 13:09.270 --> 13:10.110 align:start TRANSFORMATION. 13:10.110 --> 13:10.270 align:start THAT'S RIGHT. 13:10.270 --> 13:11.270 align:start THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE 13:11.270 --> 13:13.000 align:start CHAIR WOULD BE ELECTED BY THE 13:13.000 --> 13:15.030 align:start MEMBERS THEMSELVES. 13:15.070 --> 13:18.070 align:start AND THEN THERE'S A WHOLE ORDER 13:18.070 --> 13:21.060 align:start OF HOW YOU GET ITEMS, AGENDA 13:21.060 --> 13:23.240 align:start ITEMS, ON THE TABLE AND A 13:23.240 --> 13:26.030 align:start PROCESS TO PUT -- TO BE PUT IN 13:26.030 --> 13:28.020 align:start PLACE THAT'S BEEN DONE 13:28.030 --> 13:31.030 align:start LEGISLATIVELY RATHER THAN 13:31.030 --> 13:31.240 align:start ADMINISTRATIVELY WHICH SHOULD 13:31.240 --> 13:32.140 align:start HAVE BEEN DONE. 13:32.140 --> 13:33.210 align:start BUT I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO 13:33.210 --> 13:35.130 align:start RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S NEVER A 13:35.130 --> 13:37.250 align:start BILL THAT'S INTRODUCED THAT ENDS 13:37.250 --> 13:39.160 align:start UP BEING PASSED AND BECOMES LAW 13:39.160 --> 13:41.130 align:start THAT LOOKS LIKE IT DID WHEN IT 13:41.130 --> 13:42.090 align:start WAS INTRODUCED. 13:42.090 --> 13:43.150 align:start AS WE'VE TALKED IN LEADERSHIP 13:43.150 --> 13:45.060 align:start ABOUT WHERE WE MOVE FROM THIS 13:45.060 --> 13:47.150 align:start POINT, EVERYTHING'S ON THE 13:47.150 --> 13:47.240 align:start TABLE. 13:47.240 --> 13:49.160 align:start WE'RE OPEN TO HEAR SUGGESTIONS 13:49.160 --> 13:50.280 align:start FROM FOLKS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 13:50.280 --> 13:52.250 align:start THE AISLE, FROM THE DEPARTMENT 13:52.250 --> 13:54.050 align:start ITSELF, FROM THE STATE BOARD, 13:54.050 --> 13:56.170 align:start FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, FROM 13:56.170 --> 13:57.220 align:start FELLOW LEGISLATORS, TO HEAR 13:57.220 --> 13:59.060 align:start WHAT'S THE BEST COMBINATION FOR 13:59.100 --> 14:02.100 align:start HOW WE GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO 14:02.100 --> 14:02.180 align:start BE. 14:02.180 --> 14:04.110 align:start WE HAVE AN INHERENTLY 14:04.110 --> 14:05.120 align:start DYSFUNCTIONAL SYSTEM AND IT'S 14:05.120 --> 14:06.240 align:start BEEN SOMEWHAT A MIRACLE THAT 14:06.240 --> 14:09.240 align:start WE'VE GOTTEN ALONG AS WELL AS WE 14:09.240 --> 14:10.030 align:start HAVE. 14:10.030 --> 14:11.220 align:start THERE IS NO OTHER STATE, AS 14:11.220 --> 14:13.000 align:start WE'VE HAD OUR POLICY PEOPLE IN 14:13.000 --> 14:14.190 align:start THE SENATE TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S 14:14.190 --> 14:16.290 align:start GOING ON IN THE OTHER 49 STATES, 14:16.290 --> 14:19.020 align:start THERE IS NOT, EXCUSE ME, ONE 14:19.020 --> 14:20.250 align:start OTHER STATE IN THE UNION THAT 14:23.040 --> 14:26.040 align:start HAS THE STRUCTURE, THE SELECTION 14:26.040 --> 14:27.100 align:start METHOD, LAWS SIMILAR TO WHAT 14:27.100 --> 14:28.070 align:start INDIANA DOES. 14:28.070 --> 14:30.070 align:start WE ARE VERY UNIQUE WHEN YOU LOOK 14:30.070 --> 14:33.050 align:start AT AN ELECTED STATE 14:33.050 --> 14:33.270 align:start SUPERINTENDENT, APPOINTMENTS BY 14:34.150 --> 14:37.150 align:start THE GOVERNOR, THE SUPERINTENDENT 14:37.150 --> 14:39.070 align:start AS THE BOARD CHAIR AND THE 14:40.060 --> 14:43.060 align:start C.E.O. OF THE DEPARTMENT, IN 14:43.060 --> 14:44.040 align:start PRIVATE INDUSTRY TYPICALLY THAT 14:44.040 --> 14:45.120 align:start WOULD NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY. 14:45.120 --> 14:47.060 align:start WHAT'S WRONG WITH -- 14:47.060 --> 14:48.240 align:start THIS NOTION THAT, HEY, 10 14:48.240 --> 14:50.200 align:start MEMBERS WANT TO ELECT -- 14:50.200 --> 14:52.130 align:start IF BEAK LOOK HISTORICALLY AT 14:52.130 --> 14:53.090 align:start THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS AND WE 14:53.090 --> 14:55.080 align:start TALK ABOUT THIS AND THE WAY THIS 14:55.080 --> 14:56.080 align:start IS STRUCTURED HISTORICALLY THE 14:56.080 --> 14:57.240 align:start REASON THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT 14:57.240 --> 14:59.180 align:start OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION WAS CHOSEN 14:59.180 --> 15:02.140 align:start TO BE THE HEAD OF THE CHAIR, OF 15:02.140 --> 15:04.050 align:start THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION THE 15:04.050 --> 15:04.270 align:start CHAIRPERSON, WHICHEVER TITLE YOU 15:04.270 --> 15:06.080 align:start WANT TO LAY ON THEM IS BECAUSE 15:06.080 --> 15:08.280 align:start THAT WAS A LEGISLATIVE AGREEMENT 15:08.280 --> 15:10.100 align:start BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES. 15:10.100 --> 15:12.040 align:start THAT IF, OK, IF WE HAD A 15:12.040 --> 15:14.020 align:start REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AND THE 15:14.020 --> 15:16.220 align:start FOLKS DECIDED TO ELECT A 15:16.220 --> 15:17.210 align:start DEMOCRAT STATE SUPERINTENDENT 15:17.210 --> 15:19.190 align:start THEN THAT STATE SUPERINTENDENT 15:19.190 --> 15:21.190 align:start WOULDN'T BE REGULAR GATED TO 15:21.190 --> 15:23.150 align:start JUST DOING DESK DUTY THEY WOULD 15:23.150 --> 15:24.220 align:start ACTUALLY HAVE AN EXECUTIVE 15:24.220 --> 15:25.160 align:start POSITION THAT WOULD HELP MOLD 15:25.160 --> 15:26.160 align:start THE POLICY IN THE STATE OF 15:26.160 --> 15:26.260 align:start INDIANA. 15:26.260 --> 15:28.280 align:start SO THAT LEGISLATIVE INTENT WHEN 15:28.280 --> 15:30.280 align:start THESE -- WHEN THE BOARD WAS 15:30.280 --> 15:31.280 align:start CREATED ACTUALLY WAS CREATED TO 15:31.280 --> 15:33.290 align:start BE EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS NOW. 15:33.290 --> 15:35.060 align:start NOW, I DON'T THINK THEY HAD THE 15:35.060 --> 15:36.160 align:start IDEA THAT THE CURRENT CONDITIONS 15:36.160 --> 15:39.040 align:start THE WAY IT WAS GOING 20 15:39.040 --> 15:40.000 align:start FUNCTION -- TO FUNCTION, BUT 15:41.100 --> 15:44.100 align:start THAT WAS THE INTENT TO HAVE THE 15:44.100 --> 15:45.010 align:start SUPERINTENDENT AS THE CHAIRMAN 15:45.010 --> 15:47.040 align:start OF THE ASSOCIATION IF WE HAD A 15:47.040 --> 15:50.030 align:start DIFFERENT PARTY FOR GOVERNOR. 15:50.030 --> 15:51.060 align:start DEPARTING FROM WHAT THE 15:51.060 --> 15:52.270 align:start ORIGINAL INTENT WAS OR THE 15:52.270 --> 15:53.170 align:start AGREEMENT THAT WAS STRUCK 15:53.170 --> 15:54.230 align:start BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES OR IS 15:54.230 --> 15:57.140 align:start THERE A PHILOSOPHICAL PROBLEM 15:57.140 --> 15:59.170 align:start LETTING THE MAJORITY OF THE 15:59.170 --> 16:00.210 align:start BOARD CHOOSE THEIR 16:00.210 --> 16:01.050 align:start SUPERINTENDENT. 16:01.050 --> 16:02.290 align:start I'M PRAGMATIC, IF IT'S NOT 16:02.290 --> 16:04.230 align:start WORKING, WE'VE GOT TO FIX IT. 16:04.230 --> 16:06.000 align:start AS SENATOR HOLDMAN SAID THERE'S 16:06.000 --> 16:08.070 align:start GOING TO BE A LOT OF TIME TO BE 16:08.070 --> 16:10.140 align:start ABLE TO DEBATE SENATE BILL 1 AS 16:10.140 --> 16:11.190 align:start IT MOVES THROUGH THE PROCESS AND 16:11.190 --> 16:12.230 align:start I DON'T THINK IT WILL LOOK LIKE 16:12.230 --> 16:14.130 align:start IT DOES NOW. 16:14.130 --> 16:15.210 align:start I SURE HOPE IT DOESN'T AS IT 16:15.210 --> 16:17.200 align:start GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS AND I'M 16:17.200 --> 16:19.050 align:start AWAITING THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN 16:19.050 --> 16:21.240 align:start THAT BILL GETS TO THE HOUSE TO 16:21.240 --> 16:24.140 align:start DO CRAFTSMANSHIP TO IT AS WELL. 16:24.140 --> 16:25.210 align:start WHEN THAT BILL MOVES FORWARD 16:25.210 --> 16:27.020 align:start THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF 16:27.020 --> 16:28.050 align:start SUGGESTIONS AS THIS BILL MOVES 16:28.050 --> 16:29.250 align:start FORWARD AND A LOT OF FOLKS GOING 16:30.220 --> 16:33.220 align:start TO GET THEIR FEELINGS HURT 16:33.220 --> 16:34.280 align:start BECAUSE -- 16:34.280 --> 16:35.110 align:start TERESA. 16:35.110 --> 16:36.020 align:start I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE 16:36.020 --> 16:37.010 align:start CAREFUL IN THE LEGISLATURE IN 16:37.010 --> 16:38.080 align:start THAT THE VOTERS ELECTED HER TO 16:38.080 --> 16:39.170 align:start DO A CERTAIN JOB AND THE JOB 16:39.170 --> 16:41.220 align:start THEY ELECTED HER TO DO INCLUDED 16:41.220 --> 16:43.100 align:start LEADING THAT EDUCATION BOARD. 16:44.010 --> 16:47.010 align:start AND SO TO TAKE THAT ROLE AWAY 16:47.010 --> 16:48.280 align:start MIDSTREAM HERE I THINK IS A 16:48.280 --> 16:49.210 align:start BIGAMIES TAKE. 16:49.210 --> 16:51.260 align:start LEADERSHIP OF THE BOARD OR 16:51.260 --> 16:52.180 align:start THE POLICY-MAKING FUNCTION HAS 16:52.200 --> 16:55.200 align:start BECOME THE CRITICAL -- INDIANA 16:55.200 --> 16:57.060 align:start AND OTHER STATES -- 16:57.060 --> 16:58.000 align:start JON, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, 16:58.000 --> 17:00.020 align:start THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE 17:00.020 --> 17:02.050 align:start LEGISLATIVE INTENT AS WE MOVE 17:02.050 --> 17:03.080 align:start FORWARD -- YOU KNOW, THE 17:03.080 --> 17:04.000 align:start PROPOSAL, AS I SAID, MAY NOT BE 17:04.000 --> 17:06.110 align:start THE SAME -- THERE MIGHT BE 17:06.110 --> 17:07.170 align:start PROPOSALS INTRODUCED THAT LIMITS 17:07.170 --> 17:09.080 align:start THE GOVERNOR'S ABILITY TO TRY TO 17:09.080 --> 17:10.030 align:start INFLUENCE EDUCATION SO THAT'S 17:10.030 --> 17:12.040 align:start GOING TO BE THE GIVE AND TAKE ON 17:12.040 --> 17:13.110 align:start THIS, IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE 17:13.110 --> 17:14.200 align:start FOCUSED ON THE SUPERINTENDENT OF 17:14.200 --> 17:15.120 align:start PUBLIC INSTRUCTION. 17:15.120 --> 17:16.230 align:start I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT 17:16.260 --> 17:19.260 align:start HAVING BEEN THE C.E.O. OF A 17:19.260 --> 17:21.150 align:start CORPORATION MYSELF FOR 10 YEARS 17:21.150 --> 17:24.050 align:start AND HAVING THE BLUR OF DIRECTORS 17:24.050 --> 17:27.050 align:start WITH A DIFFERENT BOARD CHAIR, IT 17:27.050 --> 17:28.140 align:start DIDN'T REALLY MATTER WHO THE 17:28.140 --> 17:30.210 align:start CHAIRMAN OF THAT BOARD IS. 17:30.210 --> 17:31.220 align:start IF THERE ARE POLICIES LAID OUT 17:31.220 --> 17:33.260 align:start AS TO HOW ITEMS ARE PLACED ON 17:34.070 --> 17:37.070 align:start THE AGENDA, THE C.E.O -- I WAS 17:37.260 --> 17:40.260 align:start THE AUTHORITY ON BANKING AT MY 17:40.260 --> 17:42.080 align:start 300 MILLION-DOLLAR BANK BACK 17:42.080 --> 17:44.140 align:start HOME. 17:44.140 --> 17:46.280 align:start BOARD CHAIRMAN WORKED WITH ME 17:46.280 --> 17:49.270 align:start BUT BOARD CHAIRMEN DIRECTED THE 17:49.270 --> 17:51.130 align:start MEETINGS, BUT WHEN THEY LOOKED 17:51.130 --> 17:52.160 align:start AT THE AUTHORITY FOR THE EXPERT 17:52.250 --> 17:55.250 align:start ON BANKING LAW AND THE BANKING 17:55.250 --> 17:56.260 align:start PRACTICE THEY ASKED ME HOW THAT 17:56.260 --> 17:57.260 align:start WAS DONE. 17:57.260 --> 17:59.120 align:start THE C.E.O. OF YOUR BOARD 17:59.120 --> 18:02.030 align:start WASN'T ELECTED, HE WAS CHOSEN. 18:02.030 --> 18:03.150 align:start THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. 18:03.150 --> 18:04.210 align:start MY HOPE IS THAT THE GENERAL 18:04.210 --> 18:05.180 align:start ASSEMBLY WILL TAKE A LOOK AT 18:05.180 --> 18:06.100 align:start THAT STRUCTURE. 18:06.100 --> 18:08.090 align:start WHEN YOU'VE HAD AS MANY REFORMS 18:08.090 --> 18:10.140 align:start AS WE'VE HAD AND IN A SHORT 18:10.140 --> 18:12.060 align:start PERIOD OF TIME THINGS CAN BECOME 18:12.060 --> 18:15.030 align:start VERY DISJOINTED, VERY 18:15.030 --> 18:16.030 align:start CONTENTIOUS, AND WHAT'S 18:16.030 --> 18:16.240 align:start INCUMBENT ON THE GENERAL 18:16.240 --> 18:18.210 align:start ASSEMBLY IS NOT JUST LOOK AT WHO 18:18.210 --> 18:20.250 align:start CHAIRS THE STATE BOARD BUT LOOK 18:20.250 --> 18:22.030 align:start AT THE STRUCTURE AND MAKE SURE 18:22.030 --> 18:23.230 align:start WE HAVE THE RIGHT STRUCTURE 18:23.230 --> 18:24.040 align:start SUPPORTED. 18:24.040 --> 18:25.150 align:start I CAN TELL YOU WHAT CONCERNS ME 18:25.150 --> 18:26.210 align:start MOST IS THE IMPACT TO THE LOCAL 18:26.210 --> 18:28.110 align:start SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND TO OUR 18:28.110 --> 18:28.220 align:start STUDENTS. 18:28.220 --> 18:30.060 align:start WHEN THINGS ARE DISJOINTED AND 18:30.060 --> 18:32.070 align:start SO CONTENTIOUS AT THIS LEVEL, AT 18:32.070 --> 18:34.030 align:start THE STATE LEVEL IT TENDS TO SLOW 18:34.030 --> 18:35.220 align:start DOWN IMPORTANT REFORMS TRYING TO 18:35.220 --> 18:37.260 align:start BE IMPLEMENTED IN THE FIELD, IT 18:37.260 --> 18:39.020 align:start CREATES CONFUSION AND WE'VE GOT 18:39.020 --> 18:40.060 align:start TO ADDRESS THAT AND CLEAN THAT 18:40.060 --> 18:40.140 align:start UP. 18:40.140 --> 18:42.080 align:start IT'S NOT FAIR TO LOCAL DISTRICTS 18:42.080 --> 18:43.100 align:start TO LEAVE THEM HANGING WHERE 18:43.100 --> 18:45.020 align:start WE'RE AT AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S 18:45.020 --> 18:46.110 align:start IN AGREEMENT ON THAT BUT IT'S 18:46.110 --> 18:47.080 align:start GOING TO COME BACK TO THE 18:47.080 --> 18:48.080 align:start GENERAL ASSEMBLY. 18:48.080 --> 18:50.010 align:start ONLY THEY CAN TAKE THE KIND OF 18:50.010 --> 18:50.220 align:start LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY THAT'S 18:50.220 --> 18:52.070 align:start NEEDED TO SET THAT STRUCTURE 18:52.070 --> 18:52.160 align:start AND -- 18:52.160 --> 18:53.130 align:start AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF 18:53.130 --> 18:54.250 align:start STUDENTS ARE TRULY AT THE CENTER 19:04.120 --> 19:07.120 align:start OF EVERYTHING WE DO WE ALL NEED 19:07.120 --> 19:09.130 align:start TO DO IS THE MONEY TRAIL LEADING 19:09.240 --> 19:12.240 align:start BACK TO SOMETHING THAT TRULY IS 19:12.240 --> 19:14.210 align:start PURE IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING 19:14.210 --> 19:16.210 align:start STUDENTS OR LEADING BACK TO SOME 19:16.210 --> 19:17.170 align:start FOR-PROFIT OR SOMEONE WHO IS 19:17.170 --> 19:19.020 align:start GOING TO LINE THEIR POCKET WITH 19:19.020 --> 19:20.090 align:start SOME REFORM THAT INDIANA PUSHES 19:20.090 --> 19:22.020 align:start THROUGH THAT CREATES A FINANCIAL 19:22.020 --> 19:22.240 align:start BOON FOR THEM. 19:22.240 --> 19:24.050 align:start LOOK AT THE TESTING. 19:24.050 --> 19:26.020 align:start LOOK AT THE EXPENSE THAT'S IN 19:26.020 --> 19:26.210 align:start THAT. 19:26.210 --> 19:27.260 align:start SO -- AND THAT'S ALL STUFF 19:27.260 --> 19:29.270 align:start THAT'S TALKED ABOUT WITH THESE 19:29.270 --> 19:30.270 align:start EDUCATION ENTITIES. 19:30.270 --> 19:32.210 align:start BRAD ALSO BROUGHT UP NOT ONLY 19:32.210 --> 19:34.060 align:start IS IT THE LEADERSHIP BUT THE 19:34.060 --> 19:34.170 align:start STRUCTURE. 19:34.170 --> 19:35.150 align:start RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THE 10 19:35.150 --> 19:38.000 align:start MEMBERS ASIDE FROM THE STATE 19:38.000 --> 19:39.180 align:start SUPERINTENDENT OSTENSIBLY 19:39.180 --> 19:40.070 align:start REPRESENTING CONGRESSIONAL 19:40.070 --> 19:42.180 align:start DISTRICTS, AT LEAST FOUR, I 19:42.180 --> 19:44.010 align:start BELIEVE, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE NO 19:46.040 --> 19:49.040 align:start MORE THAN SIX OF ANY ONE PARTY 19:49.040 --> 19:50.080 align:start WHICH, I GUESS, PARTY 19:50.080 --> 19:51.270 align:start AFFILIATION IS IN THE EYE OF THE 19:51.270 --> 19:54.000 align:start BEHOLDER IN MANY CASES WHETHER 19:54.000 --> 19:55.070 align:start THAT'S ACTUALLY A SPLIT OR NOT, 19:55.070 --> 19:56.290 align:start HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT, IF THE 19:56.290 --> 19:58.050 align:start LEADERSHIP QUESTION IS RESOLVED 19:58.050 --> 20:00.230 align:start IS THIS OTHER STUFF SORT OF 20:00.230 --> 20:01.290 align:start SECONDARY FARCE YOUR CONCERNED, 20:01.290 --> 20:03.230 align:start IT'S NOT A PART OF YOUR BILL 20:03.230 --> 20:04.020 align:start BUT -- 20:04.020 --> 20:04.210 align:start I DON'T THINK IT'S 20:04.210 --> 20:05.080 align:start NECESSARILY SECONDARY. 20:05.080 --> 20:06.100 align:start THAT'S ONE THING THAT NEEDS TO 20:06.100 --> 20:08.140 align:start BE CLEANED UP IN THE BILL, TO BE 20:08.140 --> 20:09.200 align:start HONEST WITH YOU, I THINK THAT 20:09.200 --> 20:11.140 align:start SELECTION PROCESS, HOW THAT'S 20:11.140 --> 20:12.110 align:start DONE, I THINK IT'S VERY 20:12.110 --> 20:13.170 align:start IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE 20:13.170 --> 20:16.140 align:start EDUCATORS, FOLKS WITH END ON THE 20:16.140 --> 20:18.080 align:start BOARD AND -- END ON THE BOARD 20:18.080 --> 20:20.050 align:start AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE 20:20.050 --> 20:21.200 align:start SOME REQUIREMENT THAT THOSE BE 20:21.200 --> 20:22.020 align:start THERE. 20:22.020 --> 20:24.230 align:start WHEN WE GET TO THESE KIND OF 20:24.230 --> 20:26.250 align:start ISSUES SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T 20:26.250 --> 20:28.020 align:start MATTER WHETHER YOU'RE ON THE 20:28.020 --> 20:29.100 align:start RIGHT SIDE OF THIS ISSUE OR THE 20:29.100 --> 20:31.080 align:start LEFT SIDE OF THIS ISSUE BECAUSE 20:31.080 --> 20:33.100 align:start I THINK EDUCATION SHOULD RULE IN 20:33.100 --> 20:34.200 align:start WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR KIDS AND HOW 20:34.200 --> 20:35.240 align:start WE BRING THOSE SIDES TOGETHER TO 20:35.240 --> 20:36.140 align:start TALK ABOUT THAT. 20:36.140 --> 20:37.290 align:start BUT THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU 20:37.290 --> 20:39.190 align:start JUST SAID, TO THE VERY POINT 20:39.190 --> 20:41.150 align:start THAT ALL OF THIS RHETORIC THAT 20:41.150 --> 20:43.250 align:start WE'VE GONE THROUGH FOR THE LAST 20:43.250 --> 20:45.100 align:start FOUR YEARS HAS BEEN SO 20:45.100 --> 20:47.050 align:start DETRIMENTAL TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING 20:47.050 --> 20:48.190 align:start TO DO THAT WE HAVE GOT TO SEE 20:48.190 --> 20:50.090 align:start SOME CHANGE AND I DON'T THINK 20:50.090 --> 20:52.050 align:start THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WOULDN'T SAY 20:52.050 --> 20:54.150 align:start THIS IS DYSFUNCTIONAL, IT HAS 20:54.150 --> 20:55.170 align:start GOT TO BE FIXED. 20:55.170 --> 20:57.240 align:start THE LEGISLATURE HAS A STAKE IN 20:57.240 --> 21:00.100 align:start WHAT'S GOING ON WHEN WE 21:00.100 --> 21:01.130 align:start CONTRIBUTE MORE THAN $15 BILLION 21:02.030 --> 21:05.030 align:start OUT OF A BIENNIAL BUDGET TOWARDS 21:05.030 --> 21:07.140 align:start EDUCATION THROUGH K12 EDUCATION, 21:07.140 --> 21:09.110 align:start WE ARE A STAKEHOLDER AND WE HAVE 21:09.110 --> 21:10.180 align:start A RIGHT AND AN OBLIGATION TO 21:10.180 --> 21:12.000 align:start MAKE SURE THAT IT WORKS. 21:12.000 --> 21:13.160 align:start AND I AGREE AND I THINK WE'VE 21:13.160 --> 21:14.200 align:start GOT TO DO THIS, TOO. 21:14.200 --> 21:16.100 align:start WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD AND WHEN WE 21:16.100 --> 21:17.230 align:start TALK ABOUT REFORM WE CAN'T LEAVE 21:17.230 --> 21:19.290 align:start OUT PARENTS, OBVIOUSLY, 21:19.290 --> 21:21.140 align:start GUARDIANS, WE -- NEITHER CAN WE 21:21.140 --> 21:22.080 align:start LEAVE OUT TEACHERS. 21:22.080 --> 21:23.220 align:start THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE IN THE 21:23.220 --> 21:24.030 align:start CLASSROOM. 21:25.020 --> 21:28.020 align:start I THINK WE TALK ABOUT THE -- THE 21:28.020 --> 21:29.260 align:start ECOLOGIST SAYING THAT THE 21:29.260 --> 21:31.140 align:start ENROLLMENT IN THOSE EDUCATION 21:31.140 --> 21:32.170 align:start COURSES ARE DOWN, NOBODY WANTS 21:32.170 --> 21:34.150 align:start TO BE A TEACHER ANYMORE, IS THE 21:34.150 --> 21:36.140 align:start OLD TERM THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING 21:36.140 --> 21:37.150 align:start NOW, I THINK THERE'S A REASON 21:37.150 --> 21:39.140 align:start FOR THAT, IT'S BECAUSE THE 21:39.140 --> 21:40.250 align:start MORALE IS LOW. 21:40.250 --> 21:42.020 align:start I FEEL ANYBODY WHO HAS A LITTLE 21:42.020 --> 21:43.220 align:start BIT OF A TEACHER IN THEM ANYTIME 21:43.220 --> 21:44.290 align:start THAT SUPERINTENDENT RITZ IS 21:44.290 --> 21:46.270 align:start ATTACKED THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE 21:46.270 --> 21:47.260 align:start BEING ATTACKED AS WELL. 21:47.260 --> 21:50.240 align:start SO I THINK TEACHERS, THEY HAVE 21:50.240 --> 21:52.270 align:start THAT PERSONAL FEELING WITH, A 21:52.270 --> 21:54.180 align:start CONNECTION WITH ANOTHER TEACHER 21:54.180 --> 21:55.230 align:start THAT, HEY, IF YOU'RE ATTACKING 21:55.230 --> 21:57.140 align:start GLENDA RITZ, YOU'RE ATTACKING 21:57.140 --> 21:57.240 align:start ME. 21:57.240 --> 21:59.030 align:start VERY QUICK LAST WORD BECAUSE 21:59.030 --> 22:00.210 align:start THIS IS A THREE-HOUR COURSE AND 22:00.210 --> 22:03.000 align:start I JUST TRIED TO JAM IT IN. 22:03.000 --> 22:04.210 align:start I THINK WE HAVE TO HOPE THAT 22:04.210 --> 22:05.270 align:start COMES OUT OF THIS SESSION IS 22:05.270 --> 22:07.010 align:start CLARITY AROUND ROLES AND 22:07.010 --> 22:08.090 align:start RESPONSIBILITIES AND CERTAINLY 22:08.090 --> 22:09.210 align:start ACCOUNTABILITY INSIDE OF OUR 22:09.210 --> 22:10.280 align:start GOVERNANCE SYSTEM, WITHOUT A 22:10.280 --> 22:13.030 align:start CLEAR STRUCTURE I THINK IT WILL 22:13.030 --> 22:14.110 align:start CONTINUE TO LINGER AND I HOPE 22:14.110 --> 22:15.140 align:start THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. 22:15.140 --> 22:17.080 align:start EDUCATION SUPPORTED, STUDENT 22:17.080 --> 22:17.190 align:start CENTERED. 22:17.190 --> 22:19.010 align:start BY MEDICAL IS RINGING I HEAR 22:19.010 --> 22:20.230 align:start IT, WE'VE GOT TO GO. 22:20.230 --> 22:21.290 align:start ALWAYS LUNCHTIME FOR ME. 22:22.180 --> 22:25.180 align:start THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE 22:25.180 --> 22:26.220 align:start AGAIN, MY GUESTS HAVE BEEN RS 22:27.020 --> 22:30.020 align:start HOLDMAN OF MARKLE, DEMOCRATIC RF 22:30.020 --> 22:31.120 align:start AUSTIN, TERESA MEREDITH OF THE S 22:33.230 --> 22:36.230 align:start ASSOCIATION, AND BRAD OLIVER OF. 22:36.230 --> 22:37.290 align:start WINE IS FINE, LIQUOR IS QUICR 22:37.290 --> 22:39.110 align:start ON SUNDAY -- YET. 22:48.280 --> 22:52.000 align:start ON THE NEXT "INDIANA LAWMAKERS." 22:52.000 --> 22:53.060 align:start TIME NOW FOR OUR WEEKLY CONV, 22:53.060 --> 22:54.130 align:start PUBLISHER OF THE NEWSLETTER "IND 22:54.130 --> 22:55.150 align:start ITS SISTER PUBLICATION, "INDIAN" 22:55.150 --> 22:56.130 align:start HOW MUCH OF THIS IS GOOD 22:56.130 --> 22:58.080 align:start OLD-FASHIONED PARTISAN POLITICS? 22:58.080 --> 23:00.150 align:start A LOT OF IS INVOLVED IN 23:00.150 --> 23:01.180 align:start PARTISAN POLITICS AND 23:01.180 --> 23:03.150 align:start PERSONALITIES BUT IT GOES BACK 23:03.150 --> 23:04.210 align:start TO CLASS BASKETBALL, WHEN WE 23:04.210 --> 23:07.030 align:start CHANGED TO CLASS BASKETBALL THAT 23:07.030 --> 23:07.140 align:start RUINED -- 23:07.140 --> 23:08.120 align:start WISE WORDS, I KNEW IT WAS 23:08.120 --> 23:11.100 align:start GOING TO COME BACK TO HAUNT. 23:11.100 --> 23:14.030 align:start IS THIS AN R&D THING OR MUCH 23:14.030 --> 23:14.130 align:start BROADER? 23:14.130 --> 23:15.280 align:start I THINK IT'S BROADER. 23:15.280 --> 23:17.270 align:start WHEN YOU LOOK AT THINGS IN 23:17.270 --> 23:18.250 align:start GENERAL, DEMOCRACY ISN'T PRETTY 23:18.250 --> 23:21.030 align:start AND WE'VE GOTTEN ALONG IN STATE 23:21.030 --> 23:22.150 align:start GOVERNMENT WITH EXECUTIVE BORN 23:22.150 --> 23:24.060 align:start AGENCIES AND EXECUTIVE BRANCH 23:24.060 --> 23:25.180 align:start OFFICERS AND GOVERNORS BEING OF 23:25.180 --> 23:26.110 align:start DIFFERENT PARTIES, YOU KNOW, 23:26.110 --> 23:27.210 align:start YOU'VE GOT A GOVERNOR OF ONE 23:27.210 --> 23:28.180 align:start PARTY, AN ATTORNEY GENERAL OF 23:28.180 --> 23:29.260 align:start ANOTHER PARTY. 23:29.260 --> 23:31.030 align:start THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. 23:31.030 --> 23:32.290 align:start AND THEY SEEMED TO HAVE GOTTEN 23:33.070 --> 23:36.070 align:start ALONG TOGETHER BACK IN THE BAYH 23:36.070 --> 23:38.030 align:start AND PEARCESON DAYS THAT WE USED 23:38.030 --> 23:39.220 align:start TO COVER AND GOING BACK THEN YOU 23:39.220 --> 23:41.210 align:start HAD EVAN BAYH AND DEAN EVANS, 23:41.210 --> 23:42.230 align:start DIFFERENT PARTIES, THE 23:42.230 --> 23:44.020 align:start SUPERINTENDENT AND GOVERNOR OF 23:44.020 --> 23:45.100 align:start DIFFERENT PARTIES, YOU HAD 23:45.100 --> 23:47.080 align:start SUELLEN REED, A SUPERINTENDENT 23:47.080 --> 23:48.260 align:start WHO WAS REPUBLICAN WHO RAN 23:48.260 --> 23:50.290 align:start AGAINST EVAN BAYH'S HAND-PICKED 23:50.290 --> 23:51.240 align:start CANDIDATE FOR SUPERINTENDENT, 23:51.240 --> 23:52.220 align:start THEY GOT ALONG. 23:52.220 --> 23:54.290 align:start SO TO A CERTAIN EXTENT A LOT OF 23:54.290 --> 23:55.280 align:start THIS DISCUSSION WOULDN'T BE 23:55.290 --> 23:58.290 align:start HAPPENING IF TONY BENNETT WERE 23:58.290 --> 24:00.040 align:start STILL SUPERINTENDENT. 24:00.040 --> 24:01.160 align:start BUT THERE'S MORE TO IT. 24:01.160 --> 24:04.100 align:start THE FACT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, 24:04.100 --> 24:05.040 align:start FOR EXAMPLE, LEGISLATIVE 24:05.040 --> 24:06.130 align:start INTERVENTION IN THIS, 24:06.130 --> 24:07.180 align:start LEGISLATIVE APPOINTMENTS IN THIS 24:07.180 --> 24:08.200 align:start PROCESS, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT 24:08.200 --> 24:10.060 align:start MORE TO IT AND THAT'S GOING TO 24:10.060 --> 24:11.070 align:start BE VERY INTERESTING. 24:11.070 --> 24:13.270 align:start I THINK THAT'S MAYBE THE REAL 24:13.270 --> 24:16.260 align:start UNDERSTATED KIND OF ISSUE FROM 24:16.260 --> 24:18.030 align:start ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION THAT 24:18.030 --> 24:21.010 align:start WE'VE REALLY NOT TOUCHED ON AND 24:21.010 --> 24:22.200 align:start THAT'S TO WHAT EXTENT THE 24:22.200 --> 24:23.150 align:start LEGISLATURE SHOULD BE INVOLVED 24:23.150 --> 24:25.030 align:start IN GOING BEYOND JUST SETTING THE 24:25.030 --> 24:27.180 align:start POLICY THAT THEY'VE SET AND 24:27.180 --> 24:28.270 align:start BEING ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN 24:28.270 --> 24:30.000 align:start PICKING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING 24:30.000 --> 24:31.000 align:start TO IMPLEMENT THAT POLICY. 24:31.000 --> 24:32.180 align:start AND YOU THINK THAT WILL PLAY 24:32.180 --> 24:33.200 align:start WELL IN THE END OR DO YOU THINK 24:33.200 --> 24:36.000 align:start THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE 24:36.030 --> 24:39.030 align:start PEOPLE, HEY, IF THIS WERE A 24:39.030 --> 24:41.140 align:start PLAYGROUND WE'D TELL THEM TO 24:41.140 --> 24:43.150 align:start WORK IT OUT. 24:43.150 --> 24:45.170 align:start GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE 24:45.170 --> 24:46.230 align:start LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO ANSWER 24:46.230 --> 24:48.030 align:start WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO DO 24:48.030 --> 24:49.170 align:start SOMETHING I'M NOT SURE THAT'S 24:49.170 --> 24:50.230 align:start EASY TO ANSWER. 24:50.230 --> 24:51.150 align:start ANOTHER THING THEY'RE GOING TO 24:51.150 --> 24:53.070 align:start HAVE TO LOOK AT IS CHANGING 24:53.070 --> 24:53.220 align:start POLICY. 24:53.220 --> 24:55.290 align:start AND ONE OF THOSE POLICY 24:55.290 --> 24:57.050 align:start DETERMINATIONS THEY'VE MADE IS 24:57.050 --> 24:58.070 align:start WE HAVE REPRESENTATIONS ON THE 24:58.070 --> 24:59.130 align:start BOARD FROM CERTAIN TYPES OF 24:59.130 --> 25:02.070 align:start GROUPS AND FROM CERTAIN 25:02.070 --> 25:02.270 align:start GEOGRAPHIC AREAS. 25:02.270 --> 25:04.170 align:start WE'D BE DOING AWAY WITH -- I 25:04.170 --> 25:06.150 align:start THINK SENATOR HOLDMAN INDICATED, 25:06.150 --> 25:07.250 align:start WELL, THAT'S STILL KIND OF UP IN 25:07.250 --> 25:09.160 align:start THE AIR AS TO WHETHER WE'D HAVE 25:09.160 --> 25:11.040 align:start TO HAVE EDUCATORS ON THERE BUT 25:11.040 --> 25:12.250 align:start WE'D BE DOING AWAY WITH 25:12.250 --> 25:14.040 align:start REPRESENTATION BY CONGRESSIONAL 25:14.040 --> 25:16.100 align:start DISTRICT AND CLEARLY WHETHER 25:16.100 --> 25:18.010 align:start YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE 25:18.010 --> 25:19.140 align:start APPOINTED BY A GOVERNOR WHO 25:19.140 --> 25:21.220 align:start WOULD KNOW EVERYTHING GOING ON 25:21.220 --> 25:24.100 align:start IN MEDORA, ROME OR OTHER SMALL 25:24.100 --> 25:25.220 align:start TOWNS AROUND THE THE STATE WHERE 25:25.220 --> 25:26.270 align:start THEY'RE KIND OF REQUIRED TO 25:26.270 --> 25:28.130 align:start RIGHT NOW WITH THAT DISTRICT 25:28.130 --> 25:28.270 align:start REPRESENTATION. 25:28.270 --> 25:29.210 align:start INTERESTING TOPIC, EDUCATION 25:29.210 --> 25:31.170 align:start ALWAYS IS, ED, THANK YOU FOR 25:31.170 --> 25:33.070 align:start YOUR INSIGHT, WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT 25:33.070 --> 25:34.290 align:start WEEK. 25:34.290 --> 25:36.270 align:start FOR MORE INFORMATION, EPISODE 25:36.270 --> 25:39.050 align:start STREAMS AND EXTRA CONTENT VISIT 25:40.080 --> 25:43.080 align:start US ON THE WEB AT 25:43.080 --> 25:44.030 align:start WFYI.ORG/LAWMAKERS AND YOU CAN 25:44.030 --> 25:46.060 align:start FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK AND 25:46.060 --> 25:46.160 align:start TWITTER. 25:46.160 --> 25:48.080 align:start YOU CAN ACCESS LIVE STREAMING 25:48.080 --> 25:49.020 align:start COVERAGE OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY 25:49.020 --> 25:50.170 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