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>> Jon Schwantes: THE RIGHT

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TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS IS

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ENSHRINED, OF COURSE, IN THE

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SECOND AMENDMENT, BUT THE ISSUE

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IS SECOND TO NONE, IT SEEMS, IN

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ITS ABILITY TO SPARK PASSIONATE

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DEBATE.

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IN THE WAKE OF THE DECEMBER 14

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SCHOOL SHOOTING THAT CLAIMED THE

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LIVES OF 20 CHILDREN AND 6

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ADULTS IN NEWTOWN, CONNECTICUT,

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GUN CONTROL AND SCHOOL SAFETY

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HAVE DOMINATED THE NATIONAL

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CONVERSATION.

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THE PRESIDENT AND THE VICE

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PRESIDENT, BOTH HOUSES OF

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CONGRESS, GOVERNORS AND STATE

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LEGISLATORS, MAYORS AND LOCAL

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OFFICIALS, COUNTLESS

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SPECIAL-INTEREST GROUPS...

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THEY'VE ALL GOTTEN IN ON THE

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DISCUSSION.

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THIS WEEK, PBS WEIGHED IN WITH

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"AFTER NEWTOWN," FIVE DAYS OF

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SPECIAL PROGRAMMING, INCLUDING

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GUN-THEMED INSTALLMENTS OF

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NEWSHOUR, FRONTLINE, WASHINGTON

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WEEK, EVEN NOVA.

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NOW, IT'S OUR TURN.

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HI. I'M JON

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SCHWANTES, AND ON THIS

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EDITION OF "INDIANA LAWMAKERS,"

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WE'LL EXPLORE THE ISSUE WITH A

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PANEL OF HOOSIER EXPERTS AND

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ADVOCATES.

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LET'S START WITH A LEGISLATIVE

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UPDATE FROM BRITTANY MUNCY OF

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THESTATEHOUSEFILE-DOT-COM, A

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SERVICE OF FRANKLIN COLLEGE'S

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>> PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA AND

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SOME STATES ARE LOOKING TOWARD

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GUN CONTROL AS A REACTION TO THE

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DEADLY SHOOTING AT SANDY HOOK

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ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN

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CONNECTICUT.

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BUT THERE'S NO SUCH DISCUSSION

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IN INDIANA, WHERE THE STATE

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CONSTITUTION SAYS MORE CLEARLY

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THAT HOOSIERS CAN CARRY GUNS.

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SO LAWMAKERS ARE FOCUSING ON

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OTHER WAYS TO PROTECT STUDENTS.

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SENATE BILL1 WOULD GIVE SCHOOLS

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$50,000 ANNUAL GRANTS TO PAY FOR

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A RESOURCE OFFICER AND TO

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PURCHASE SAFETY EQUIPMENT AND

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TECHNOLOGY.

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WE'VE DONE A NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

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I THINK THERE WERE 1,200 PEOPLE

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THAT WERE INTERVIEWED - SO IT'S

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PARENTS AND TEACHERS,

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PRINCIPALS, SCHOOL

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SUPERINTENDENTS, LAW

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ENFORCEMENT, EVEN SOME OF THE

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SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS.

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AND WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED - AND

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THIS WAS BEFORE THE SHOOTINGS IN

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CONNECTICUT - SO THIS REALLY

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RECOGNIZES WHAT THE NEEDS ARE

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OUT IN THE SCHOOLS WITH THE

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LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT SO THEY'VE

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THOUGHT WHAT THEY'D REALLY LIKE

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TO SEE.

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I'M SURE AFTER THE TREMENDOUS

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TRAGEDY THAT THEY REEVALUATED

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OUR PROCEDURES FOR ALLOWING

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VISITORS IN, THE PROCEDURES FOR

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HAVING DOORS AVAILABLE, UNLOCKED

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AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL,

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AS WELL AS HOW ARE WE CONNECTED

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WITH OUR LOCAL AGENCIES.

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FOR "INDIANA LAWMAKERS" AND

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THESTATEHOUSEFILE.COM, I'M

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BACK IN A MOMENT WITH OUR

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ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION.

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"INDIANA LAWMAKERS"...

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FROM THE STATEHOUSE...

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>> Jon Schwantes: AS I NOTED AT

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THE TOP OF THE PROGRAM, THE

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NEWTOWN SCHOOL SHOOTING PROMPTED

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THE WHITE HOUSE TO DECLARE WAR

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ON GUN VIOLENCE.

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UNDER THE RALLYING CRY "NOW IS

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THE TIME," PRESIDENT BARACK

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OBAMA HAS BEEN CRISSCROSSING THE

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COUNTRY, DRUMMING UP SUPPORT FOR

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THE MULTIFACETED PLAN HE

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UNVEILED LAST MONTH.

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AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE

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PRESIDENT WANTS CONGRESS TO

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CLOSE BACKGROUND-CHECK

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LOOPHOLES, BAN MILITARY-STYLE

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ASSAULT WEAPONS AND

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HIGH-CAPACITY MAGAZINES, STIFFEN

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FEDERAL GUN-TRAFFICKING LAWS AND

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FUND THE HIRING OF ADDITIONAL

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SCHOOL-RESOURCE OFFICERS.

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ALTHOUGH CONGRESS IS LIKELY TO

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DEBATE AT LEAST SOME OF THE

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ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSALS, IT'S

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BECOMING INCREASINGLY CLEAR THAT

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THE REAL BATTLE IS GOING TO BE

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FOUGHT IN STATE CAPITALS ACROSS

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THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING

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INDIANAPOLIS.

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NATIONWIDE, ACCORDING TO

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CONGRESSIONAL QUARTERLY, STATE

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LEGISLATORS HAVE INTRODUCED MORE

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THAN 23-HUNDRED GUN-RELATED

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BILLS AND ENACTED MORE THAN 130

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OF THEM ... SINCE JANUARY 1 ST,

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BARELY SEVEN WEEKS AGO.

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JOINING ME FOR A CLOSER LOOK AT

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GUN VIOLENCE AND SCHOOL SAFETY

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HERE IN INDIANA ARE ...

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REPUBLICAN SENATOR BRENT WALTZ

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OF GREENWOOD, WHO DESCRIBES

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HIMSELF AS A "CARD-CARRYING LIFE

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MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE

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ASSOCIATION AND A STRONG

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ADVOCATE OF GUN RIGHTS"...

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DEMOCRATIC SENATOR GREG TAYLOR

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OF INDIANAPOLIS, WHO IN RECENT

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YEARS HAS OPPOSED ATTEMPTS TO

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EASE RESTRICTIONS ON CONCEALED

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WEAPONS, PARTICULARLY IN PLACES

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SUCH AS LIBRARIES, PUBLIC

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HOSPITALS AND GOVERNMENT MEETING

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ROOMS...PROFESSOR THOMAS STUCKY,

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DIRECTOR OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND

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PUBLIC-SAFETY PROGRAMS IN THE

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SCHOOL OF PUBLIC AND

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ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS AT INDIANA

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UNIVERSITY-PURDUE UNIVERSITY AT

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INDIANAPOLIS...

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AND STEVE GARNER, CHIEF OF

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POLICE FOR INDIANAPOLIS PUBLIC

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SCHOOLS, ONE OF THE STATE'S

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LARGEST SCHOOL DISTRICTS, WITH

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MORE THAN 30,000 STUDENTS, 60

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SCHOOLS, AND 65 FULL-TIME POLICE

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AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING

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HERE TO TAKE PART IN THIS

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DISCUSSION.  WHY DO YOU THINK

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IT IS THAT ANY DISCUSSION OF GYN

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VIOLENCE AND GUN

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LIMITATIONS PROVEHICLE SUCH

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STRONG FEELINGS?

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>> IT'S AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE, AND

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IT'S DIFFICULT

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SOMETIMES TO HAVE A DISCUSSION,

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AND EVEN MORE SO WHEN

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PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE

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ISSUE, WHETHER THE

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CONSTITUTIONAL OR LEGAL ELEMENTS

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TO IT, LAST SUMMER

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WHEN RUNNING FOR REELECTION, I

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SHOWED A DEMOCRAT MEMBER

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OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OPPOSED

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TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT

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AND GUN RIGHTS, A PIECE OF MY

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CAMPAIGN LITERATURE, AND

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THIS INDIVIDUAL SAID, THE SECOND

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AMENDMENT, THAT'S THE

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GUN ONE, RIGHT?

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>> I THOUGHT THIS PERSON WAS

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JOKING, AND THEN I LOOKED

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AT THIS PERSON AND WAS SHOCKED

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TO LEARN THERE WAS NO

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JOKE THERE.  AND SO THIS IS A

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PERSON WHO WILL GO TO THE

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FLOOR OF THEIR RESPECTIVE

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CHAMBER AND SPEAK VERY

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PARTIALLY ON THE ISSUE OF GUN

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CONTROL, AND SO BEFORE I

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THINK WE CAN HAVE A REEL

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LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION ABOUT

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GUN RIGHTS AND SAFETY, WE HAVE

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TO UNDERSTAND THE

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DOCUMENTS AND THE ROLE THEY

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PLAY.

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>> AND EDUCATION AN ISSUE.

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>> IN MANY WAYS.

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>> IT WOULDN'T TAKE A STUDENT OF

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THE CONSTITUTION MUCH

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TIME TO READ THE SECOND

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AMENDMENT, I THINK IT'S 23

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WORDS, AND IF YOU LOOK AT

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INDIANA CONSTITUTION, EVEN

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SHORTER, 17 WORDS, IF YOU LOOK

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AT THE AMOUNT OF PASSION

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AND ENERGY POUR WORD, A HIGH

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QUOTIENT.

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>> I THINK ANY TIME YOU HAVE

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ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE

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CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED

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STATES OR THE STATE OF

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INDIANA, THERE'S GOING TO BE

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PASSION.  ONE THING I'VE

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FELT IS WE NEED TO TAKE INTO

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CONSCIOUS THE TIMES AND

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ERA, INTO HAD HE THESE THINGS

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WERE PASSED, PRACTICALLY,

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DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS WORK,

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THERE ARE MANY THINGS WE

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HAVE IN THE STATE OF INDIANA,

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THAT NONE OF US WOULD

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EVER THINK OF WOULD BE AS

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MANIABLE TODAY, BUT FOR SOME

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REASON WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RIGHTS

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AND PRIVILEGES, WE

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TALK ABOUT GUN RIGHTS, THERE'S

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RIGHTS TO VOTE, WE DON'T

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HAD

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WHEN

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WE DON'T HAVE THAT PASSION AND

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DISCUSSION, BUT WHEN YOU

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TALK ABOUT INDIVIDUALS' RIGHTS

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TO CARRY A HANDGUN,

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CONCEAL THAT HANDGUN, AND WHERE

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THEY CAN CARRY IT.

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>> RIGHT TO PRAY, AASSEMBLE,

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THESE ARE ALL ISSUES

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CERTAINLY IMPORTANT AND THEY DO

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PROVOKE DISCUSSION, BUT

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NOT THE SAME LEVEL.

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>> WELL, IT'S YOUR OPINION,S AN

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INDIVIDUAL WHO BELIEVES

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THAT OUR DUTY IN THE STATE

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LEGISLATURE IS TO PROTECT

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THOSE WHO CAN'T PROTECT

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THEMSELVES, I THINK IT'S

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IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF

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YOU WANT TO CARRY YOUR

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HAND GUN, I HAVE FOR PROBLEM

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WITH INDIVIDUALS, I JUST

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THINK WE NEED TO HAVE STRICTER

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RULES.  WHEN AN

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INDIVIDUAL CAN GO TO A A GUN

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SHOW AND GET A SO-CALLED

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BACKGROUND CHECK, THE INDIVIDUAL

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WHO IS SELLING THE GUN

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HAS NO LICENSE TO SELL THE GUN

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AND THEN AN INDIVIDUAL

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CAN BUY IT AND WALK-OUT, THAT'S

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DANGEROUS.

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>> I THINK THAT'S ONE

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DISAGREEMENT WE WOULD HAVE WITH

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THIS, WE DON'T TAKE AN OATH TO

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DO WHAT WE THINK IS

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RIGHT, BUT TO PROTECT AND DEFEND

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THE CONSTITUTION, I

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HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE

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THAT SENATOR DAILY FEELS

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AS PARTIALLY ON THE OPPOSING

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SIDE OF THE ISSUE AS I DO

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PROTECTING OUR RIGHTS, I'D

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RECOMMEND ANYONE, SOME OF MY

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LIBERAL FRIENDS WHO THINK THIS

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IS A GROWING, LIVING

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DOCUMENT AND WE INTERPRET WORDS

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AS TIME GOES BY,

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INSTEAD OF AMENDING THE

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CONSTITUTION, IF YOU ARE GOING

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DOWN AN INTERSTATE AND GOING 70

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MILES AN HOUR, WHEN TRY

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GOING 90 MILES AN HOUR, AND WHEN

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PULLED OVER, JUST TELL

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THE POLICE OFFICER THE SPEED

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LIMIT IS A LIVING

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BREATHING LAW, AND THE ROADS ARE

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SAFER, AND YOU THAT

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YOU HAD IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA

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OF INTERPRETING THE

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SPEED LIMIT, AND I DON'T THINK

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THE OFFICER WILL

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BIOTHAT.

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>> STRICT DESTRUCTION INSIST

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VERSUS LIVING BREATHING

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DOCUMENT.  OBVIOUSLY AN ISSUE,

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THAT MEMBERS OF THE

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SUPREME COURT AND JUDGES AROUND

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THE STATE WRESTLE WITH

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ALL THE TIME.  PROFESSOR THOMAS

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STUCKY, YOU'VE STUDIED

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THESE SORTS OF THINGS AND

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WATCHED THE DEBATES, IT

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BOGLESS MY MIND THAT 2300 BILLS

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HAVE BEEN PASSED IN

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LESS THAN TWO MONTHS, SOME PRO,

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SOME ANTIGUN, BUT

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AGAIN, I KEEP GOING BACK TO THE

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NOTION OF THE PASSION

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AND RHETORIC.  I SAW THIS WEEK A

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LAWMAKER FROM SUBARU

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BAN ST. LOUIS INTRODUCED A BILL

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THAT WOULD CRIMINALIZE

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THE INTRODUCTION OF GUN CONTROL

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LEGISLATION, WHAT DOES

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THAT SAY ABOUT THE LEVEL OF

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DISCUSSION ON THIS ISSUE?

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>> FROM THE STANDPOINT OF

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THINKING ABOUT THIS AS A

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PUBLIC POLICY ISSUE, IT'S AN

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INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT

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DISCUSSION BECAUSE THERE ARE SO

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MANY MOVING PARTS.  THE

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PROBLEM, AND I PREFER TO SPEAK

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OF THE PROBLEM OF GUN

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VIOLENCE AS OPPOSED TO GUN

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CONTROL, BECAUSE GUN

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VIOLENCE IS A VERY COMPLEX

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ISSUE, INCLUDING DOMESTIC

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VIOLENCE WHERE A GUN IS A

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PRESENT, MASS SHOOTINGS, A

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DIFFERENT SCENARIO AND WOULD

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REQUIRE DIFFERENT PUBLIC

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POLICIES TO ADDRESS THOSE, AND

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THEN YOU HAVE THE VERY

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REAL PROBLEM UNFORTUNATELY SO

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COMMON THAT YOUNG

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PREDOMINANTLY POOR INDIVIDUALS

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ARE CARRYING WEAPONS TO

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PROTECT THEMSELVES, EITHER OUT

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OF A SENSE OF FEAR OR

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BECAUSE THEY'RE ENGAGED IN

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CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND

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SHOOTING EACH OTHER, AND GUN

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VIOLENCE IS RELATED TO THE

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ISSUE OF GUN CONTROL BUT ALSO

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VERY DIFFERENT, AND I

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THINK THE FOCUS ON IMMEDIATELY

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JUMPING TO THE QUESTION

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OF GUN CONTROL CREATES A LARGE

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DEGREE OF HEAT WITHOUT

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MUCH LIGHT, PEOPLE WHO FEEL

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STRONGLY ON EITHER SIDE OF

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THE ISSUE, HAVE ENOUGH COMPLEX

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INFORMATION IN FRONT OF

11:20.007 --> 11:21.029
THEM TO SUPPORT THEIR VIEWS.

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THERE'S CLEARLY ON THE

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STRICT CONSTRUCTION INSIST SIDE,

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EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT

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THAT VIEW, AND ON THE ORDERS

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OTHER SIDE, THERE'S

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CLEARLY ENOUGH LANGUAGE TO

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SUPPORT THAT AS WELL, SO

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BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTIONAL PIECE

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OF THIS REALLY COMES

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TO SOME OF THE CORE AND THE CRUX

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OF OUR CULTURE IN SOME

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WAYS, THAT IT BECOMES ALMOST

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IMPOSSIBLE, AND WHAT'S

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DIFFICULT ABOUT THIS AS A PERSON

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WHOSE TRYING TO

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UNDERSTAND THE RESEARCH FROM, IF

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YOU CAN, OBJECTIVELY

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DO THIS, IS THAT GENERALLY

11:56.014 --> 11:57.025
SPEAKING PEOPLE START WITH

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THE CONCLUSION AND FIND EVIDENCE

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TO SUPPORT THEIR

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POSITION AND THERE'S ENOUGH

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EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT BOTH

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POSITIONS, SO PEOPLE REALLY NOT

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EVEN SPEAKING TO EACH

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OTHER ABOUT THE SAME THINGS.

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>> YOU RAISE AN INTERESTING

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POINT ABOUT THE TERMS AND

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SEMANTICS, I'VE SEEN SEVERAL

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THINGS THIS WEEK, THE VERY

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TERM GUN CONTROL, IS THAT A

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LOADED -- NO REPUBLICAN

12:27.021 --> 12:29.009
INTENDED, IT HAS NEGATIVE BADGE

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ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND

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IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPEECHES THE

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PRESIDENT HAS HEAD,

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TALKS ABOUT GUNS, VIOLENCE, BUT

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NOT NECESSARILY GUN

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GUN

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CONTROL CONTROL.  YOU HAVE

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HEARD, CHIEF ABOUT PEOPLE

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WHO MAKE THE GUNS, STUDY ABOUT

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GUNS,ER EVERY DAY, YOU

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AND YOUR 65 OFFICERS KEEPING

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STUDENTS SAFE, WHAT'S THE

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REALITY?

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>> FOR ME, THERE'S A REALITY

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THROUGH EVERYTHING ALREADY

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BEEN DISCUSSED, WE TALK ABOUT

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THE FEW SHORT WORDS, AND

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THE INTERPRETATION, AND YOU MAKE

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AN ANALOGY THAT A

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POLICE OFFICER WOULDN'T ACCEPT,

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YOUR EXPLANATION THAT

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TRAFFIC LAWS ARE A LIVING

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BREATHING DOCUMENT, HOWEVER,

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I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN SO FEW

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WORDS SO WIDELY

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INTERPRETED AS TO THE ORIGINAL,

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AND CURRENT INTENT.  I

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HAVE A CLOSE PERSONAL FRIEND

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MUCH AN ADVOCATE TO CARRY

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A GUN, AND I SUGGEST TO HIM, AS

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LONG AS AS IT'S IN YOUR

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POCKET, POSSESSION, IT'S SAFE,

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BUT HE'S HAD HIS GUN

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TAKEN, I WORRY ABOUT THINGS SUCH

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AS HEALTH HEAL, I

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DON'T KNOW OF MY MASS SHOOTINGS

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AT THE HANDS OF SOMEONE

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WHO IS ANYTHING MORE THAN A

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PERSON SUFFERING FROM A

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MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE, REGARDLESS

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OF LET'S IN THEIR HAND,

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STRICTER GUN CONTROLS IN ASIAN

14:19.016 --> 14:22.016
COUNTRIES -- I'VE GOT TO

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SUPPORT ANYONE'S RIGHT AS A

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REASONABLE INDIVIDUAL, AND

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THAT'S HOW LAWS ARE WRITTEN, A

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REASONABLE INDIVIDUAL

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INTERPRETING THIS, I'M NOT SURE

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WE UNDERSTAND WHO THAT

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IS, WHO A REASONABLE PERSON IS,

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ARE WE ON THIS PANEL

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REASONABLE?  CERTAINLY, ON A

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DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, WE'VE

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GOT TO BE, BUT I'M NOT SURE THE

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PEOPLE WHO DEBATE THIS

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HAVE A PERFECT UNDERSTAND OF

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WHAT'S OUT HERE IN THE

14:52.008 --> 14:54.012
SENSE THAT THE LIVES OUR

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CHILDREN LIVE CURRENTLY, THIS

14:57.026 --> 15:00.027
YOUNG MAN THAT ENACTED THIS

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HOUNDERS CRIME IN

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CONNECTICUT -- HORRENDOUS CRIME

15:04.021 --> 15:05.020
IN CONNECTICUT, WHETHER

15:05.020 --> 15:07.015
HE HAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT

15:07.015 --> 15:09.024
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT,

15:09.024 --> 15:12.008
WASN'T THE ISSUE, HIS LIFE WAS

15:12.008 --> 15:14.024
CLOUDED BY MENTAL HEALTH

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ISSUES, OR HIS MOTHER MIGHT HAVE

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THOUGHT HE WAS SAFE IN

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TEACHING HIS GUN SAFETY, IT

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DIDN'T WORK.

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>> PRESUMABLY SOME OF THE

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STUDENTS, SENIORS OVER 18,

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THEORETICALLY THEY COULD HAVE

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CONCEALED, CARRY PERMITS,

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THEY CAN'T CARRY THEM IN SCHOOL,

15:34.008 --> 15:36.022
BUT DOES THAT GIVE YOU

15:37.011 --> 15:40.011
PAUSE WHEN YOU SEE THESE

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STUDENTS CARRY THEIR BOOK BAGS

15:42.012 --> 15:43.006
CAN BE CARRYING A WEAPON?

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>> I THINK THAT'S A REALLY

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POSSIBILITY ON ALL OF OUR

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CAMPUSES THROUGHOUT THIS NATION,

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THERE'S A POSSIBILITY

15:50.021 --> 15:53.020
SOMEONE IS CARRYING A WEAPON OF

15:53.020 --> 15:54.029
SOME SORT, THAT ISN'T

15:54.029 --> 15:56.023
WHAT GIVES ME PAUSE AS MUCH AS

15:56.023 --> 15:58.010
THE PAIN AND SUFFERING

15:58.010 --> 15:59.007
THESE CHILDREN ARE GOING THROUGH

15:59.007 --> 16:01.003
AND THE LIVES THEY

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HAVE TO LIVE, IT'S NOT

16:04.021 --> 16:06.004
RECOGNIZED, IN MY OPINION, AT

16:06.004 --> 16:07.010
THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL, IF WE'RE

16:07.010 --> 16:09.006
TALKING ABOUT

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REASONABLE INDIVIDUALS,

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CERTAINLY REASONABLE

16:10.016 --> 16:11.018
INDIVIDUALS OUGHT TO HAVE THE

16:11.018 --> 16:13.024
RIGHT TO CARRY A FIREMAN

16:13.024 --> 16:15.006
AND PROTECT THEMSELVES AND OTHER

16:15.006 --> 16:17.012
PEOPLE, THAT'S NOT

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WHAT'S HAPPENING, IN MY OPINION,

16:18.016 --> 16:20.022
THOSE GUNS NOT IN THE

16:20.022 --> 16:22.022
HANDS OF REASONABLE INDIVIDUALS.

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>> TWO POINTS THERE, FIRST WITH

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RESPECT TO THE MENTAL

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HEALTH ISSUE, IT IS ABSOLUTELY

16:28.006 --> 16:29.027
THE INDICATE THERE ARE

16:29.027 --> 16:31.011
SOME INDIVIDUALS, AND WE HAVE A

16:31.024 --> 16:34.024
DIFFICULT SITUATION

16:34.024 --> 16:36.015
HERE, IN THAT THOSE EXAMPLES

16:36.015 --> 16:39.012
LIKE NEW TOWN ARE SO

16:39.012 --> 16:41.029
HORRIFIC, AND THIS IS IN NO WAY

16:41.029 --> 16:43.002
TO MINIMIZE THOSE, BUT

16:43.002 --> 16:43.029
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER

16:43.029 --> 16:45.006
OF PEOPLE WITH MENTAL

16:45.006 --> 16:47.002
HEALTH ISSUES AND THE NUMBER OF

16:47.002 --> 16:49.013
PEOPLE WHO HAVE MENTAL

16:49.013 --> 16:50.019
HEALTH ISSUES WHO ARE

16:50.019 --> 16:52.028
POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS, EVEN

16:52.028 --> 16:53.027
PROFESSIONALS HAVE AN EXTREME

16:53.027 --> 16:56.005
DIFFICULTY IDENTIFYING OF

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THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MENTAL

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HEALTH ISSUES, WHICH ONES

17:03.003 --> 17:03.023
COULD BE DANGEROUS, IT'S

17:03.023 --> 17:04.023
EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO

17:05.005 --> 17:08.005
IDENTIFY WHO OF THE PEOPLE WHO

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PERIODICALLY APPEAR TO

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BE OUT OF CONTROL IN SOME WAYS,

17:11.013 --> 17:13.022
WOULD BE IN A POSITION

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OR WOULD BE CAPABLE OF

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COMMITTING THOSE ACTS.

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>> SO EVEN BROADER BACKGROUND

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CHECKS MIGHT NOT

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NECESSARILY PICK UP SOMEBODY'S

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PROPROPENSITY FOR

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VIOLENCE.

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>> AND THIS IS WHAT MAKES IT

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DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU

17:27.028 --> 17:30.018
COULD CREATE A SITUATION WHERE

17:30.018 --> 17:32.017
YOU WOULD MONITOR OR

17:32.017 --> 17:34.008
CHANGE THE ABILITY OF PEOPLE TO

17:34.008 --> 17:36.008
HAVE FIREARMS THAT HAVE

17:36.008 --> 17:38.009
MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, BUT IN

17:38.009 --> 17:40.022
TERMS OF -- IT'S WHAT WE

17:40.022 --> 17:41.019
CALL THE PREDICTION PROBLEM,

17:41.019 --> 17:43.004
BEING ABLE TO PREDICT

17:43.004 --> 17:45.005
WHICH OF THESE HUNDRED THOUSANDS

17:45.005 --> 17:46.021
PEOPLE WILL BECOME THE

17:47.004 --> 17:50.004
TWO OR THREE WHO TURN INTO THAT

17:50.004 --> 17:51.028
NEW TOWN SHOOTER,

17:51.028 --> 17:53.008
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THERE AREN'T

17:53.022 --> 17:56.022
REASONABLE THINGS WE CAN

17:56.024 --> 17:59.024
DO, BUT IT'S SIMPLY UNTRUE THAT

17:59.024 --> 18:01.019
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE --

18:01.019 --> 18:02.014
THAT HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES

18:02.014 --> 18:05.005
ARE THE PEOPLE

18:05.005 --> 18:06.017
COMMITTING VIOLENCE, BECAUSE,

18:06.017 --> 18:08.005
THAT MAY BE ONE PIECE OF

18:11.000 --> 18:14.000
IT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OVER 1

18:14.000 --> 18:16.021
1,000 FIREARM HOMICIDE IN

18:16.021 --> 18:18.025
2010, AND PREDOMINANTLY THOSE

18:18.025 --> 18:21.008
WERE OF HAS BEEN GUNS,

18:21.008 --> 18:22.003
INDIVIDUALS ENGAGED IN SEARS OF

18:22.007 --> 18:25.007
ACTIVITIES THAT ARE NOT

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WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

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>> I WOULDN'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT

18:30.029 --> 18:32.014
YOU SAID, YOU

18:32.014 --> 18:34.004
CLARIFIED MUCH BETTER, TO SAY

18:34.013 --> 18:37.013
THESE ARE VERY, VERY

18:37.013 --> 18:39.005
ISOLATED SITUATIONS, AND YOU

18:39.005 --> 18:40.021
HAVE DONE AS MUCH STUDY IN

18:40.021 --> 18:42.022
THAT FIELD AS I HAVE IN THE

18:43.000 --> 18:46.000
FIELD OF MASS AND SERIAL

18:46.000 --> 18:46.029
MURDERS, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH

18:46.029 --> 18:48.024
YOU MORE.

18:48.024 --> 18:50.028
>> FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, AND THE

18:50.028 --> 18:52.000
SHOOTNESS IN NEW TOWN

18:52.000 --> 18:54.008
AND OTHERS, SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN A

18:54.008 --> 18:56.021
FOCAL POINT, AND YOU

18:56.021 --> 18:58.014
PROFESSOR MENTIONED, WHAT CAN WE

18:58.014 --> 19:00.008
DO EVEN IF WE CAN'T

19:00.008 --> 19:02.025
IDENTIFY OR PREDICT WHO MIGHT

19:02.025 --> 19:03.026
HAVE A SOURCE OF TROUBLE?

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>> LET ME CLARIFY.  I'M NOT

19:06.019 --> 19:07.021
SAYING WE CAN'T PREDICT,

19:07.021 --> 19:09.009
I'M SAYING IT'S NOT A SIMPLE

19:09.009 --> 19:10.024
SITUATION TO BE ABLE TO

19:11.024 --> 19:14.024
SAY IF YOU DO X, YOU'LL HAVE Y.

19:14.024 --> 19:16.018
AND I'LL JUST THIS

19:24.025 --> 19:27.025
POINT AND LET OTHER JUMP IN:

19:27.025 --> 19:29.000
ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK

19:29.000 --> 19:31.008
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT HERE IS THAT

19:31.008 --> 19:32.018
LIKE MANY COMPLEX

19:32.027 --> 19:35.027
PROBLEMS, THERE ARE LIKELY TO BE

19:35.027 --> 19:37.020
MULTI FACETED

19:37.020 --> 19:39.012
SOLUTIONS, I LIKE TO THINK OF

19:39.012 --> 19:40.028
THIS IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC

19:40.028 --> 19:42.018
SAFETY, IT'S NOT ABOUT A

19:42.018 --> 19:44.020
SPECIFIC PIECE OF ACTIVITY,

19:45.024 --> 19:48.024
IT'S A SERIES ACROSS A VARIETY

19:48.024 --> 19:50.005
OF DOMAINS, AND THAT'S

19:52.014 --> 19:55.014
WHERE I THINK IN THE LONG RUN --

19:55.014 --> 19:57.005
>> GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE HAS SAID

19:57.005 --> 19:59.004
THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF

19:59.004 --> 20:01.024
TOO MUCH ACCESS TO GUNS, IT'S

20:01.024 --> 20:03.000
ACCESS TO SCHOOLS.

20:03.000 --> 20:05.005
>> I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO

20:05.005 --> 20:06.026
DISCUSS THIS GUN CONTROL

20:06.026 --> 20:08.015
ISSUE IN THAT VEIN, AND I HAVE

20:08.015 --> 20:09.024
NEVER SAID PEOPLE DON'T

20:09.024 --> 20:11.027
HAVE A RIGHT TO CARRY A FIREMAN,

20:11.027 --> 20:13.005
I'M SAYING WE NEED TO

20:13.005 --> 20:14.013
BE RESPONSIBILITY TO UNDERSTAND

20:14.013 --> 20:16.013
THAT SOMETIMES THOSE

20:16.013 --> 20:17.009
INDIVIDUALS CARRYING A FIREMAN

20:17.009 --> 20:18.023
ARE NOT THOSE

20:18.023 --> 20:20.023
INDIVIDUALS THAT WE EVER HAD THE

20:20.023 --> 20:22.029
INTENT TO ALLOW TO

20:22.029 --> 20:25.016
CARRY A FIREMAN.  CONSISTENT

20:25.016 --> 20:27.000
BACKGROUND CHECKS, IN MY

20:27.000 --> 20:28.018
OPINION, WILL PROVIDE SOME

20:28.018 --> 20:29.019
SAFETY, IN ADDITION TO THAT,

20:30.004 --> 20:33.004
YOU CAN GO BUY A FIREMAN, GET A

20:33.004 --> 20:35.017
LICENSE, CARRY A

20:35.017 --> 20:37.023
FIREMAN, AND NEVER KNOW HOW TO

20:38.000 --> 20:41.000
USE IT.  NOW, I DON'T

20:41.000 --> 20:42.009
THINK THAT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS

20:44.005 --> 20:47.005
EVER THOUGHT WE WOULD

20:47.005 --> 20:49.002
BE DRIVING, AS SENATOR BRENT

20:49.002 --> 20:49.020
WALTZ THOUGHT, A HUNDRED

20:49.020 --> 20:51.028
MILES PER HOUR ON THE STREET,

20:51.028 --> 20:53.010
BUT WE AS LAWMAKERS HAVE

20:53.010 --> 20:54.028
DETERMINED THAT THAT CAR IS A

20:54.028 --> 20:57.008
DANGEROUS PIECE OF

20:57.008 --> 20:58.000
EQUIPMENT, IT WOULD REQUIRE

20:58.000 --> 21:00.016
SOMEONE TO HAVE AT LEAST

21:00.016 --> 21:02.008
THE BASIC SUNDAYSINGS OF HOW TO

21:02.008 --> 21:02.026
CONTROL THAT VEHICLE.

21:02.026 --> 21:04.022
WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE SAME

21:04.022 --> 21:07.002
THING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A

21:07.002 --> 21:09.026
RIGHT, FOR PEOPLE WHO CARRY A

21:09.026 --> 21:11.020
FIREMAN?  WHY DON'T THEY

21:11.020 --> 21:13.002
HAVE TO HAVE THE BASIC

21:13.002 --> 21:14.015
UNDERSTANDING, AND THE

21:14.022 --> 21:17.022
DIFFICULTIES TO UNLOCK THE

21:17.022 --> 21:20.020
SAFETY, SHOOT IT, CLEAN IT.

21:20.020 --> 21:22.000
>> BRENT WALTZ?

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>> THERE ARE HUNDREDS OR

21:24.005 --> 21:25.009
THOUSANDS OF ITEMS WE DEAL

21:25.027 --> 21:28.027
WITH EVERY DAY THAT COULD BE

21:28.027 --> 21:29.028
EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, SAWS

21:33.005 --> 21:36.005
CHAIN SUES, I'VE NEVER USED A

21:36.005 --> 21:37.009
CHAINSAW IN MY LIFE, MY

21:42.019 --> 21:45.019
-- MY

21:45.019 --> 21:47.013
UNCLE ALMOST GOT HIS LEG CUTOFF,

21:47.013 --> 21:50.003
SHOULD WE HAVE A

21:51.017 --> 21:54.017
LICENSE TO BY A CHAIN SAW AT

21:54.017 --> 21:55.011
WAL-MART OR MENARDS.

21:55.014 --> 21:58.014
THERE ARE THINGS THAT I WOULD

21:58.014 --> 21:59.003
ARGUE CAN EVERY BIT AS

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LETHAL AS A FIREMAN.

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>> THE DIFFERENCE, IN MY VIEW,

22:07.011 --> 22:10.000
THAT CHAINSAWS ARE NOT

22:10.000 --> 22:11.011
USED AS WEAPONS AGAINST OTHER

22:11.011 --> 22:13.012
PEOPLE ON A REGULAR

22:13.012 --> 22:15.002
BASIS, SO OUR RESPONSIBILITY IN

22:15.002 --> 22:16.027
TERMS OF PUBLIC

22:16.027 --> 22:19.001
POLICY --

22:19.001 --> 22:20.019
>> REAL QUICKLY, SENATE BILL 1,

22:20.019 --> 22:22.013
THE ONE BILL THAT

22:22.013 --> 22:23.019
HASN'T BEEN SENT TO RULES

22:23.019 --> 22:26.011
COMMITTEE, THAT WOULD BE

22:26.011 --> 22:27.017
ADDITIONAL FUNDING, PROPERTY TAX

22:27.017 --> 22:29.004
$10 MILLION FOR SCHOOL

22:29.004 --> 22:30.019
RESOURCE OFFICERS, IS THAT GOING

22:30.019 --> 22:31.013
TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE,

22:32.012 --> 22:35.012
DO YOU THINK IF THAT'S FUNDED

22:35.012 --> 22:35.029
AND ENACTED?

22:37.012 --> 22:40.012
>> I DO, IT'S A KICK START FOR

22:40.012 --> 22:42.003
SOME SCHOOL DISTRICTS

22:42.003 --> 22:42.028
CHORE PROBABLY HEADED IN THAT

22:43.027 --> 22:46.027
DIRECTION AND COULD USE

22:46.027 --> 22:49.012
THE ASSISTANCE IN FUNDING AND IN

22:49.012 --> 22:50.022
WAKING US UP.  IF YOU

22:50.022 --> 22:53.005
WANT TO PUT IT IN THAT

22:53.005 --> 22:55.017
DIRECTION, IF THEY HASN'T CHOSEN

22:55.017 --> 22:57.006
THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY UTILIZING

22:57.006 --> 22:57.029
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

22:57.029 --> 22:59.019
>> WELL, THAT'S PART OF THE

22:59.019 --> 23:00.010
FEDERAL LEGISLATION, WE

23:00.010 --> 23:02.006
NEED TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND

23:02.006 --> 23:03.025
THAT PART OF THE

23:03.025 --> 23:04.027
FEDERAL LEGISLATION DOES PROVIDE

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ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR

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SCHOOLS TO HAVE RESOURCE

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OFFICERS, WE DON'T NEED TO

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LOOK AT THIS IN A BOX.  IF

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CONGRESS GOES ALONG WITH

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THIS, CONGRESS WILL PROVIDE

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ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR

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RESOURCES --

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>> EVEN IF THEY DON'T WE'RE

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EXAMINING TO PROVIDE IN THE

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STATE OF INDIANA, KIDS' SAFETY

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VERY IMPORTANT.

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>> I NEED ANY REFEREE WHISTLE

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HERE, WE CAN GO ON AND

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ON.

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AGAIN, MY GUESTS HAVE BEEN

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REPUBLICAN SENATOR BRENT WALTZ

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OF GREENWOOD...

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DEMOCRATIC SENATOR GREG TAYLOR

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OF INDIANAPOLIS ...THOMAS

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STUCKY, A CRIMINAL-JUSTICE

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PROFESSOR AT INDIANA

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UNIVERSITY-PURDUE UNIVERSITY AT

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INDIANAPOLIS...AND STEVE GARNER,

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POLICE CHIEF FOR INDIANAPOLIS

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THE TOPIC IS HEALTH CARE!

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OUR EXPERT PANEL WILL SHOOT FROM

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THE H.I.P...

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YOU'LL GET THAT JOKE ON THE NEXT

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TIME NOW FOR OUR WEEKLY

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CONVERSATION WITH ED FEIGENBAUM,

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PUBLISHER OF THE NEWSLETTER

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EE, ASIDE FROM THE SCHOOL

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OFFICER RESOURCE FUNDING

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BILL, BASICALLY BILLS SENT TO

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RULES, WILL HEAR NOTHING

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FROM THEM.

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>> I THINK LEADERS THEY WILL

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THEY DID EVERYTHING THEY

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COULD TO EXPAND GUN RIGHTS, WE

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SAW MAJOR EXPANSIONS OF

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THE ABILITY TO CARRY, AND

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THERE'S NOT REALLY A GREAT

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APPETITE TO EXPAND THINGS EVEN

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FURTHER AT THIS POINT.

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>> TWO BILLS THAT DID GET SOME

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ATTENTION, ONE WOULD

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ALLOW STUDENTS, COLLEGE STUDENTS

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ON PUBLIC COME POSES

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TO CARRY CONCEALED WEAPONS IF

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THEY HAD PERMITS.  THE

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OTHER ONE WOULD SAY, BASICALLY,

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IF WE MAKE THE GUNS AND

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ANDAMMUNITION HERE, IT'S NOT A

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FEDERAL ISSUE, IT'S A

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STATE ISSUE, TENTH AMENDMENT, DO

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YOU THINK ANY OF THOSE

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WILL RESONATE IN THE FUTURE?

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>> ABSOLUTELY, WE'LL HAVE A BIG

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DISCUSSION ABOUT TENTH

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AMEANT ISSUES, WE'RE HAVING

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THOSE TALKS RIGHT NOW ON A

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A MACROLEVEL, AND THE GUNS IN

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THE HIGHER EDUCATION

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INSTITUTION BILL BEING PUSHED

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BACK AGAINST BY THE

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COLLEGES THEMSELVES, AND ALSO

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AGAINST THE LEGISLATION

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THAT EXPANDED THE LEGISLATION TO

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CARRY IN THE LAST TWO

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YEARS, FROM THE ACCIDENT THE

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INDIANA CHAMBER OF

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COMMERCE, SO THERE ARE ISSUES

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WITH SOME OF THOSE BILLS

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KEEPING THOSE THINGS OUT OF THE

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REAL COMMITTEE

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HEARINGS.

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>> AND SENATE BILL 1, THE SCHOOL

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RESOURCE OFFICER BILL,

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WILL IT GET FUNDED?  A NOTION OF

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$10,000,000.23 GRANTS.

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>> THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT

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THAT IN THE HOUSE

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COMMITTEE, WAYS AND MEANS, AND

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THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS

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MADE THIS A MAJOR PRIORITY, IT

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WILL CERTAINLY BE TALKED

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ABOUT IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS.

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. THANKS AS ALWAYS FOR YOUR

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INSIGHT.

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WELL, THAT CONCLUDES ANOTHER

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EDITION OF "INDIANA LAWMAKERS."

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I'M JON SCHWANTES, AND, ON

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BEHALF OF WFYI PUBLIC MEDIA,

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INDIANA'S OTHER

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PUBLIC-BROADCASTING STATIONS,

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AND THESTATEHOUSEFILE.COM, I

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THANK YOU FOR TUNING IN AND

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INVITE YOU TO JOIN US AGAIN AT

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THE SAME TIME NEXT WEEK.

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UNTIL THEN...