1 00:00:01,020 --> 00:00:04,020 >> Jon Schwantes: THE RIGHT 2 00:00:04,020 --> 00:00:05,029 TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS IS 3 00:00:05,029 --> 00:00:07,008 ENSHRINED, OF COURSE, IN THE 4 00:00:07,008 --> 00:00:08,018 SECOND AMENDMENT, BUT THE ISSUE 5 00:00:08,018 --> 00:00:10,001 IS SECOND TO NONE, IT SEEMS, IN 6 00:00:10,001 --> 00:00:11,006 ITS ABILITY TO SPARK PASSIONATE 7 00:00:11,006 --> 00:00:12,000 DEBATE. 8 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,000 IN THE WAKE OF THE DECEMBER 14 9 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,004 SCHOOL SHOOTING THAT CLAIMED THE 10 00:00:14,004 --> 00:00:15,007 LIVES OF 20 CHILDREN AND 6 11 00:00:15,007 --> 00:00:16,025 ADULTS IN NEWTOWN, CONNECTICUT, 12 00:00:16,025 --> 00:00:18,019 GUN CONTROL AND SCHOOL SAFETY 13 00:00:18,019 --> 00:00:20,003 HAVE DOMINATED THE NATIONAL 14 00:00:20,003 --> 00:00:21,018 CONVERSATION. 15 00:00:21,018 --> 00:00:22,028 THE PRESIDENT AND THE VICE 16 00:00:22,028 --> 00:00:24,002 PRESIDENT, BOTH HOUSES OF 17 00:00:24,002 --> 00:00:25,005 CONGRESS, GOVERNORS AND STATE 18 00:00:25,005 --> 00:00:26,006 LEGISLATORS, MAYORS AND LOCAL 19 00:00:26,006 --> 00:00:27,006 OFFICIALS, COUNTLESS 20 00:00:27,006 --> 00:00:28,014 SPECIAL-INTEREST GROUPS... 21 00:00:28,014 --> 00:00:29,009 THEY'VE ALL GOTTEN IN ON THE 22 00:00:29,009 --> 00:00:30,012 DISCUSSION. 23 00:00:30,012 --> 00:00:31,016 THIS WEEK, PBS WEIGHED IN WITH 24 00:00:31,016 --> 00:00:33,002 "AFTER NEWTOWN," FIVE DAYS OF 25 00:00:33,002 --> 00:00:34,020 SPECIAL PROGRAMMING, INCLUDING 26 00:00:34,020 --> 00:00:35,024 GUN-THEMED INSTALLMENTS OF 27 00:00:35,024 --> 00:00:37,020 NEWSHOUR, FRONTLINE, WASHINGTON 28 00:00:37,020 --> 00:00:39,016 WEEK, EVEN NOVA. 29 00:00:39,016 --> 00:00:41,007 NOW, IT'S OUR TURN. 30 00:00:41,007 --> 00:00:42,004 HI. I'M JON 31 00:00:42,004 --> 00:00:43,009 SCHWANTES, AND ON THIS 32 00:00:43,009 --> 00:00:44,020 EDITION OF "INDIANA LAWMAKERS," 33 00:00:44,020 --> 00:00:46,006 WE'LL EXPLORE THE ISSUE WITH A 34 00:00:46,006 --> 00:00:47,003 PANEL OF HOOSIER EXPERTS AND 35 00:00:47,003 --> 00:00:48,009 ADVOCATES. 36 00:00:48,009 --> 00:00:49,008 LET'S START WITH A LEGISLATIVE 37 00:00:49,008 --> 00:00:50,024 UPDATE FROM BRITTANY MUNCY OF 38 00:00:50,024 --> 00:00:52,004 THESTATEHOUSEFILE-DOT-COM, A 39 00:00:52,004 --> 00:00:53,020 SERVICE OF FRANKLIN COLLEGE'S 40 00:00:56,002 --> 00:00:57,010 >> PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA AND 41 00:00:57,010 --> 00:00:59,002 SOME STATES ARE LOOKING TOWARD 42 00:00:59,002 --> 00:01:00,022 GUN CONTROL AS A REACTION TO THE 43 00:01:00,022 --> 00:01:02,004 DEADLY SHOOTING AT SANDY HOOK 44 00:01:02,004 --> 00:01:03,015 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN 45 00:01:03,015 --> 00:01:05,022 CONNECTICUT. 46 00:01:05,022 --> 00:01:07,016 BUT THERE'S NO SUCH DISCUSSION 47 00:01:07,016 --> 00:01:08,021 IN INDIANA, WHERE THE STATE 48 00:01:08,021 --> 00:01:09,029 CONSTITUTION SAYS MORE CLEARLY 49 00:01:09,029 --> 00:01:12,016 THAT HOOSIERS CAN CARRY GUNS. 50 00:01:12,016 --> 00:01:14,007 SO LAWMAKERS ARE FOCUSING ON 51 00:01:14,007 --> 00:01:15,028 OTHER WAYS TO PROTECT STUDENTS. 52 00:01:15,028 --> 00:01:17,017 SENATE BILL1 WOULD GIVE SCHOOLS 53 00:01:17,017 --> 00:01:19,018 $50,000 ANNUAL GRANTS TO PAY FOR 54 00:01:19,018 --> 00:01:21,026 A RESOURCE OFFICER AND TO 55 00:01:21,026 --> 00:01:23,012 PURCHASE SAFETY EQUIPMENT AND 56 00:01:24,010 --> 00:01:27,010 TECHNOLOGY. 57 00:01:27,010 --> 00:01:28,009 WE'VE DONE A NEEDS ASSESSMENT. 58 00:01:28,009 --> 00:01:29,009 I THINK THERE WERE 1,200 PEOPLE 59 00:01:29,009 --> 00:01:30,017 THAT WERE INTERVIEWED - SO IT'S 60 00:01:30,017 --> 00:01:31,022 PARENTS AND TEACHERS, 61 00:01:31,022 --> 00:01:32,023 PRINCIPALS, SCHOOL 62 00:01:32,023 --> 00:01:33,027 SUPERINTENDENTS, LAW 63 00:01:33,027 --> 00:01:35,002 ENFORCEMENT, EVEN SOME OF THE 64 00:01:35,002 --> 00:01:36,017 SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS. 65 00:01:36,017 --> 00:01:37,017 AND WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED - AND 66 00:01:37,017 --> 00:01:39,014 THIS WAS BEFORE THE SHOOTINGS IN 67 00:01:39,014 --> 00:01:40,016 CONNECTICUT - SO THIS REALLY 68 00:01:40,016 --> 00:01:41,027 RECOGNIZES WHAT THE NEEDS ARE 69 00:01:41,027 --> 00:01:44,027 OUT IN THE SCHOOLS WITH THE 70 00:01:44,027 --> 00:01:46,022 LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT SO THEY'VE 71 00:01:46,022 --> 00:01:47,017 THOUGHT WHAT THEY'D REALLY LIKE 72 00:01:48,022 --> 00:01:51,022 TO SEE. 73 00:01:51,022 --> 00:01:52,018 I'M SURE AFTER THE TREMENDOUS 74 00:01:52,018 --> 00:01:53,026 TRAGEDY THAT THEY REEVALUATED 75 00:01:53,026 --> 00:01:55,013 OUR PROCEDURES FOR ALLOWING 76 00:01:55,013 --> 00:01:56,027 VISITORS IN, THE PROCEDURES FOR 77 00:01:56,027 --> 00:01:59,019 HAVING DOORS AVAILABLE, UNLOCKED 78 00:01:59,019 --> 00:02:01,024 AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL, 79 00:02:01,024 --> 00:02:03,015 AS WELL AS HOW ARE WE CONNECTED 80 00:02:03,015 --> 00:02:06,004 WITH OUR LOCAL AGENCIES. 81 00:02:06,004 --> 00:02:07,000 FOR "INDIANA LAWMAKERS" AND 82 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,014 THESTATEHOUSEFILE.COM, I'M 83 00:02:11,014 --> 00:02:12,008 BACK IN A MOMENT WITH OUR 84 00:02:12,008 --> 00:02:14,004 ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION. 85 00:02:14,004 --> 00:02:15,015 "INDIANA LAWMAKERS"... 86 00:02:15,015 --> 00:02:16,015 FROM THE STATEHOUSE... 87 00:02:38,009 --> 00:02:39,010 >> Jon Schwantes: AS I NOTED AT 88 00:02:39,010 --> 00:02:40,006 THE TOP OF THE PROGRAM, THE 89 00:02:40,006 --> 00:02:41,006 NEWTOWN SCHOOL SHOOTING PROMPTED 90 00:02:41,006 --> 00:02:42,004 THE WHITE HOUSE TO DECLARE WAR 91 00:02:42,004 --> 00:02:43,017 ON GUN VIOLENCE. 92 00:02:43,017 --> 00:02:44,014 UNDER THE RALLYING CRY "NOW IS 93 00:02:44,014 --> 00:02:45,018 THE TIME," PRESIDENT BARACK 94 00:02:45,018 --> 00:02:46,017 OBAMA HAS BEEN CRISSCROSSING THE 95 00:02:46,017 --> 00:02:47,018 COUNTRY, DRUMMING UP SUPPORT FOR 96 00:02:47,018 --> 00:02:48,026 THE MULTIFACETED PLAN HE 97 00:02:48,026 --> 00:02:50,020 UNVEILED LAST MONTH. 98 00:02:50,020 --> 00:02:51,027 AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE 99 00:02:51,027 --> 00:02:54,017 PRESIDENT WANTS CONGRESS TO 100 00:02:54,017 --> 00:02:55,011 CLOSE BACKGROUND-CHECK 101 00:02:55,011 --> 00:02:56,027 LOOPHOLES, BAN MILITARY-STYLE 102 00:02:56,027 --> 00:02:58,011 ASSAULT WEAPONS AND 103 00:02:58,011 --> 00:03:00,023 HIGH-CAPACITY MAGAZINES, STIFFEN 104 00:03:00,023 --> 00:03:01,025 FEDERAL GUN-TRAFFICKING LAWS AND 105 00:03:01,025 --> 00:03:03,013 FUND THE HIRING OF ADDITIONAL 106 00:03:03,013 --> 00:03:04,017 SCHOOL-RESOURCE OFFICERS. 107 00:03:04,017 --> 00:03:06,017 ALTHOUGH CONGRESS IS LIKELY TO 108 00:03:06,017 --> 00:03:08,006 DEBATE AT LEAST SOME OF THE 109 00:03:08,006 --> 00:03:09,026 ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSALS, IT'S 110 00:03:09,026 --> 00:03:12,005 BECOMING INCREASINGLY CLEAR THAT 111 00:03:12,005 --> 00:03:13,018 THE REAL BATTLE IS GOING TO BE 112 00:03:13,018 --> 00:03:14,028 FOUGHT IN STATE CAPITALS ACROSS 113 00:03:14,028 --> 00:03:15,025 THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING 114 00:03:15,025 --> 00:03:17,008 INDIANAPOLIS. 115 00:03:17,008 --> 00:03:18,017 NATIONWIDE, ACCORDING TO 116 00:03:18,017 --> 00:03:19,029 CONGRESSIONAL QUARTERLY, STATE 117 00:03:19,029 --> 00:03:21,020 LEGISLATORS HAVE INTRODUCED MORE 118 00:03:21,020 --> 00:03:23,009 THAN 23-HUNDRED GUN-RELATED 119 00:03:23,009 --> 00:03:24,024 BILLS AND ENACTED MORE THAN 130 120 00:03:24,024 --> 00:03:26,020 OF THEM ... SINCE JANUARY 1 ST, 121 00:03:26,020 --> 00:03:28,014 BARELY SEVEN WEEKS AGO. 122 00:03:28,014 --> 00:03:30,004 JOINING ME FOR A CLOSER LOOK AT 123 00:03:30,004 --> 00:03:32,000 GUN VIOLENCE AND SCHOOL SAFETY 124 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,004 HERE IN INDIANA ARE ... 125 00:03:33,004 --> 00:03:34,007 REPUBLICAN SENATOR BRENT WALTZ 126 00:03:34,007 --> 00:03:35,005 OF GREENWOOD, WHO DESCRIBES 127 00:03:35,005 --> 00:03:36,006 HIMSELF AS A "CARD-CARRYING LIFE 128 00:03:36,006 --> 00:03:37,021 MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE 129 00:03:37,021 --> 00:03:38,026 ASSOCIATION AND A STRONG 130 00:03:38,026 --> 00:03:40,022 ADVOCATE OF GUN RIGHTS"... 131 00:03:40,022 --> 00:03:41,026 DEMOCRATIC SENATOR GREG TAYLOR 132 00:03:41,026 --> 00:03:43,002 OF INDIANAPOLIS, WHO IN RECENT 133 00:03:43,002 --> 00:03:45,010 YEARS HAS OPPOSED ATTEMPTS TO 134 00:03:45,010 --> 00:03:46,015 EASE RESTRICTIONS ON CONCEALED 135 00:03:46,015 --> 00:03:48,001 WEAPONS, PARTICULARLY IN PLACES 136 00:03:48,001 --> 00:03:49,005 SUCH AS LIBRARIES, PUBLIC 137 00:03:49,005 --> 00:03:50,025 HOSPITALS AND GOVERNMENT MEETING 138 00:03:50,025 --> 00:03:52,012 ROOMS...PROFESSOR THOMAS STUCKY, 139 00:03:52,012 --> 00:03:53,024 DIRECTOR OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND 140 00:03:53,024 --> 00:03:54,021 PUBLIC-SAFETY PROGRAMS IN THE 141 00:03:54,021 --> 00:03:56,021 SCHOOL OF PUBLIC AND 142 00:03:56,021 --> 00:03:58,003 ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS AT INDIANA 143 00:03:58,003 --> 00:03:59,013 UNIVERSITY-PURDUE UNIVERSITY AT 144 00:03:59,013 --> 00:04:01,001 INDIANAPOLIS... 145 00:04:01,001 --> 00:04:02,011 AND STEVE GARNER, CHIEF OF 146 00:04:02,011 --> 00:04:04,002 POLICE FOR INDIANAPOLIS PUBLIC 147 00:04:04,002 --> 00:04:05,013 SCHOOLS, ONE OF THE STATE'S 148 00:04:05,013 --> 00:04:06,025 LARGEST SCHOOL DISTRICTS, WITH 149 00:04:06,025 --> 00:04:08,022 MORE THAN 30,000 STUDENTS, 60 150 00:04:08,022 --> 00:04:10,001 SCHOOLS, AND 65 FULL-TIME POLICE 151 00:04:16,008 --> 00:04:19,008 AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING 152 00:04:19,008 --> 00:04:21,003 HERE TO TAKE PART IN THIS 153 00:04:21,003 --> 00:04:22,017 DISCUSSION. WHY DO YOU THINK 154 00:04:22,017 --> 00:04:24,026 IT IS THAT ANY DISCUSSION OF GYN 155 00:04:25,025 --> 00:04:28,025 VIOLENCE AND GUN 156 00:04:28,025 --> 00:04:29,015 LIMITATIONS PROVEHICLE SUCH 157 00:04:29,015 --> 00:04:30,014 STRONG FEELINGS? 158 00:04:30,014 --> 00:04:31,028 >> IT'S AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE, AND 159 00:04:31,028 --> 00:04:32,027 IT'S DIFFICULT 160 00:04:33,025 --> 00:04:36,025 SOMETIMES TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, 161 00:04:36,025 --> 00:04:37,012 AND EVEN MORE SO WHEN 162 00:04:37,012 --> 00:04:38,003 PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE 163 00:04:38,003 --> 00:04:39,016 ISSUE, WHETHER THE 164 00:04:39,016 --> 00:04:41,015 CONSTITUTIONAL OR LEGAL ELEMENTS 165 00:04:41,015 --> 00:04:43,018 TO IT, LAST SUMMER 166 00:04:43,018 --> 00:04:44,027 WHEN RUNNING FOR REELECTION, I 167 00:04:44,027 --> 00:04:46,024 SHOWED A DEMOCRAT MEMBER 168 00:04:46,024 --> 00:04:47,028 OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OPPOSED 169 00:04:47,028 --> 00:04:50,003 TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT 170 00:04:50,003 --> 00:04:52,028 AND GUN RIGHTS, A PIECE OF MY 171 00:04:52,028 --> 00:04:54,020 CAMPAIGN LITERATURE, AND 172 00:04:54,020 --> 00:04:56,002 THIS INDIVIDUAL SAID, THE SECOND 173 00:04:56,002 --> 00:04:57,013 AMENDMENT, THAT'S THE 174 00:04:57,013 --> 00:04:58,020 GUN ONE, RIGHT? 175 00:04:58,020 --> 00:05:00,029 >> I THOUGHT THIS PERSON WAS 176 00:05:00,029 --> 00:05:02,008 JOKING, AND THEN I LOOKED 177 00:05:02,008 --> 00:05:04,006 AT THIS PERSON AND WAS SHOCKED 178 00:05:04,006 --> 00:05:07,004 TO LEARN THERE WAS NO 179 00:05:07,004 --> 00:05:08,029 JOKE THERE. AND SO THIS IS A 180 00:05:08,029 --> 00:05:11,024 PERSON WHO WILL GO TO THE 181 00:05:11,024 --> 00:05:13,010 FLOOR OF THEIR RESPECTIVE 182 00:05:13,010 --> 00:05:15,006 CHAMBER AND SPEAK VERY 183 00:05:15,006 --> 00:05:17,013 PARTIALLY ON THE ISSUE OF GUN 184 00:05:17,013 --> 00:05:19,024 CONTROL, AND SO BEFORE I 185 00:05:21,004 --> 00:05:24,004 THINK WE CAN HAVE A REEL 186 00:05:24,004 --> 00:05:25,014 LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION ABOUT 187 00:05:25,014 --> 00:05:28,002 GUN RIGHTS AND SAFETY, WE HAVE 188 00:05:28,002 --> 00:05:29,017 TO UNDERSTAND THE 189 00:05:29,017 --> 00:05:30,008 DOCUMENTS AND THE ROLE THEY 190 00:05:30,008 --> 00:05:32,024 PLAY. 191 00:05:32,024 --> 00:05:34,011 >> AND EDUCATION AN ISSUE. 192 00:05:35,013 --> 00:05:38,013 >> IN MANY WAYS. 193 00:05:38,013 --> 00:05:40,011 >> IT WOULDN'T TAKE A STUDENT OF 194 00:05:40,011 --> 00:05:41,014 THE CONSTITUTION MUCH 195 00:05:41,014 --> 00:05:43,015 TIME TO READ THE SECOND 196 00:05:43,015 --> 00:05:44,028 AMENDMENT, I THINK IT'S 23 197 00:05:46,008 --> 00:05:49,008 WORDS, AND IF YOU LOOK AT 198 00:05:49,008 --> 00:05:51,003 INDIANA CONSTITUTION, EVEN 199 00:05:51,003 --> 00:05:53,011 SHORTER, 17 WORDS, IF YOU LOOK 200 00:05:53,011 --> 00:05:55,027 AT THE AMOUNT OF PASSION 201 00:05:55,027 --> 00:05:57,014 AND ENERGY POUR WORD, A HIGH 202 00:05:57,014 --> 00:05:59,020 QUOTIENT. 203 00:05:59,020 --> 00:06:02,019 >> I THINK ANY TIME YOU HAVE 204 00:06:02,019 --> 00:06:04,019 ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE 205 00:06:04,019 --> 00:06:05,013 CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED 206 00:06:05,013 --> 00:06:08,004 STATES OR THE STATE OF 207 00:06:08,004 --> 00:06:09,027 INDIANA, THERE'S GOING TO BE 208 00:06:09,027 --> 00:06:11,001 PASSION. ONE THING I'VE 209 00:06:13,016 --> 00:06:16,016 FELT IS WE NEED TO TAKE INTO 210 00:06:16,016 --> 00:06:18,023 CONSCIOUS THE TIMES AND 211 00:06:18,023 --> 00:06:21,015 ERA, INTO HAD HE THESE THINGS 212 00:06:21,015 --> 00:06:22,014 WERE PASSED, PRACTICALLY, 213 00:06:22,014 --> 00:06:24,026 DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS WORK, 214 00:06:24,026 --> 00:06:25,018 THERE ARE MANY THINGS WE 215 00:06:25,018 --> 00:06:28,004 HAVE IN THE STATE OF INDIANA, 216 00:06:28,004 --> 00:06:30,005 THAT NONE OF US WOULD 217 00:06:30,005 --> 00:06:32,027 EVER THINK OF WOULD BE AS 218 00:06:32,027 --> 00:06:34,005 MANIABLE TODAY, BUT FOR SOME 219 00:06:34,005 --> 00:06:36,026 REASON WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RIGHTS 220 00:06:38,021 --> 00:06:41,021 AND PRIVILEGES, WE 221 00:06:43,003 --> 00:06:46,003 TALK ABOUT GUN RIGHTS, THERE'S 222 00:06:46,003 --> 00:06:47,021 RIGHTS TO VOTE, WE DON'T 223 00:06:47,021 --> 00:06:48,021 HAD 224 00:06:48,021 --> 00:06:50,023 WHEN 225 00:06:51,005 --> 00:06:54,005 WE DON'T HAVE THAT PASSION AND 226 00:06:54,005 --> 00:06:56,009 DISCUSSION, BUT WHEN YOU 227 00:06:56,018 --> 00:06:59,018 TALK ABOUT INDIVIDUALS' RIGHTS 228 00:06:59,018 --> 00:07:02,004 TO CARRY A HANDGUN, 229 00:07:02,004 --> 00:07:03,029 CONCEAL THAT HANDGUN, AND WHERE 230 00:07:03,029 --> 00:07:06,003 THEY CAN CARRY IT. 231 00:07:06,003 --> 00:07:08,003 >> RIGHT TO PRAY, AASSEMBLE, 232 00:07:08,003 --> 00:07:09,013 THESE ARE ALL ISSUES 233 00:07:09,013 --> 00:07:10,028 CERTAINLY IMPORTANT AND THEY DO 234 00:07:10,028 --> 00:07:12,017 PROVOKE DISCUSSION, BUT 235 00:07:12,017 --> 00:07:14,018 NOT THE SAME LEVEL. 236 00:07:14,018 --> 00:07:16,002 >> WELL, IT'S YOUR OPINION,S AN 237 00:07:16,002 --> 00:07:17,027 INDIVIDUAL WHO BELIEVES 238 00:07:17,027 --> 00:07:19,016 THAT OUR DUTY IN THE STATE 239 00:07:19,016 --> 00:07:21,014 LEGISLATURE IS TO PROTECT 240 00:07:21,014 --> 00:07:22,005 THOSE WHO CAN'T PROTECT 241 00:07:22,005 --> 00:07:23,012 THEMSELVES, I THINK IT'S 242 00:07:23,012 --> 00:07:25,015 IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF 243 00:07:25,015 --> 00:07:28,003 YOU WANT TO CARRY YOUR 244 00:07:28,003 --> 00:07:30,007 HAND GUN, I HAVE FOR PROBLEM 245 00:07:30,007 --> 00:07:31,025 WITH INDIVIDUALS, I JUST 246 00:07:31,025 --> 00:07:34,004 THINK WE NEED TO HAVE STRICTER 247 00:07:34,004 --> 00:07:35,012 RULES. WHEN AN 248 00:07:35,012 --> 00:07:37,027 INDIVIDUAL CAN GO TO A A GUN 249 00:07:37,027 --> 00:07:40,008 SHOW AND GET A SO-CALLED 250 00:07:40,008 --> 00:07:41,010 BACKGROUND CHECK, THE INDIVIDUAL 251 00:07:41,010 --> 00:07:43,006 WHO IS SELLING THE GUN 252 00:07:43,006 --> 00:07:45,016 HAS NO LICENSE TO SELL THE GUN 253 00:07:45,019 --> 00:07:48,019 AND THEN AN INDIVIDUAL 254 00:07:48,019 --> 00:07:49,025 CAN BUY IT AND WALK-OUT, THAT'S 255 00:07:49,025 --> 00:07:50,019 DANGEROUS. 256 00:07:50,019 --> 00:07:53,002 >> I THINK THAT'S ONE 257 00:07:53,002 --> 00:07:55,016 DISAGREEMENT WE WOULD HAVE WITH 258 00:07:55,016 --> 00:07:57,014 THIS, WE DON'T TAKE AN OATH TO 259 00:07:57,026 --> 00:08:00,028 DO WHAT WE THINK IS 260 00:08:00,028 --> 00:08:02,018 RIGHT, BUT TO PROTECT AND DEFEND 261 00:08:02,025 --> 00:08:05,025 THE CONSTITUTION, I 262 00:08:06,008 --> 00:08:09,008 HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE 263 00:08:09,008 --> 00:08:11,013 THAT SENATOR DAILY FEELS 264 00:08:11,013 --> 00:08:13,008 AS PARTIALLY ON THE OPPOSING 265 00:08:13,028 --> 00:08:16,028 SIDE OF THE ISSUE AS I DO 266 00:08:16,028 --> 00:08:19,012 PROTECTING OUR RIGHTS, I'D 267 00:08:19,012 --> 00:08:21,029 RECOMMEND ANYONE, SOME OF MY 268 00:08:21,029 --> 00:08:23,025 LIBERAL FRIENDS WHO THINK THIS 269 00:08:23,025 --> 00:08:26,000 IS A GROWING, LIVING 270 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,001 DOCUMENT AND WE INTERPRET WORDS 271 00:08:28,001 --> 00:08:29,021 AS TIME GOES BY, 272 00:08:29,021 --> 00:08:30,019 INSTEAD OF AMENDING THE 273 00:08:31,029 --> 00:08:34,029 CONSTITUTION, IF YOU ARE GOING 274 00:08:35,017 --> 00:08:38,017 DOWN AN INTERSTATE AND GOING 70 275 00:08:38,017 --> 00:08:40,009 MILES AN HOUR, WHEN TRY 276 00:08:40,009 --> 00:08:42,022 GOING 90 MILES AN HOUR, AND WHEN 277 00:08:42,022 --> 00:08:45,000 PULLED OVER, JUST TELL 278 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,014 THE POLICE OFFICER THE SPEED 279 00:08:46,014 --> 00:08:49,001 LIMIT IS A LIVING 280 00:08:50,003 --> 00:08:53,003 BREATHING LAW, AND THE ROADS ARE 281 00:08:53,003 --> 00:08:54,003 SAFER, AND YOU THAT 282 00:08:54,023 --> 00:08:57,023 YOU HAD IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA 283 00:08:57,023 --> 00:08:59,002 OF INTERPRETING THE 284 00:09:00,028 --> 00:09:03,028 SPEED LIMIT, AND I DON'T THINK 285 00:09:03,028 --> 00:09:04,013 THE OFFICER WILL 286 00:09:04,013 --> 00:09:06,002 BIOTHAT. 287 00:09:06,002 --> 00:09:08,014 >> STRICT DESTRUCTION INSIST 288 00:09:09,005 --> 00:09:12,005 VERSUS LIVING BREATHING 289 00:09:12,005 --> 00:09:13,004 DOCUMENT. OBVIOUSLY AN ISSUE, 290 00:09:13,004 --> 00:09:14,014 THAT MEMBERS OF THE 291 00:09:14,020 --> 00:09:17,020 SUPREME COURT AND JUDGES AROUND 292 00:09:17,020 --> 00:09:20,014 THE STATE WRESTLE WITH 293 00:09:20,014 --> 00:09:22,025 ALL THE TIME. PROFESSOR THOMAS 294 00:09:22,025 --> 00:09:23,021 STUCKY, YOU'VE STUDIED 295 00:09:23,021 --> 00:09:26,015 THESE SORTS OF THINGS AND 296 00:09:27,023 --> 00:09:30,023 WATCHED THE DEBATES, IT 297 00:09:30,023 --> 00:09:32,013 BOGLESS MY MIND THAT 2300 BILLS 298 00:09:32,013 --> 00:09:33,029 HAVE BEEN PASSED IN 299 00:09:33,029 --> 00:09:36,017 LESS THAN TWO MONTHS, SOME PRO, 300 00:09:36,017 --> 00:09:37,023 SOME ANTIGUN, BUT 301 00:09:37,023 --> 00:09:39,019 AGAIN, I KEEP GOING BACK TO THE 302 00:09:39,019 --> 00:09:41,014 NOTION OF THE PASSION 303 00:09:41,014 --> 00:09:44,004 AND RHETORIC. I SAW THIS WEEK A 304 00:09:44,006 --> 00:09:47,006 LAWMAKER FROM SUBARU 305 00:09:47,006 --> 00:09:49,006 BAN ST. LOUIS INTRODUCED A BILL 306 00:09:49,006 --> 00:09:50,016 THAT WOULD CRIMINALIZE 307 00:09:50,016 --> 00:09:51,026 THE INTRODUCTION OF GUN CONTROL 308 00:09:51,026 --> 00:09:53,009 LEGISLATION, WHAT DOES 309 00:09:53,027 --> 00:09:56,027 THAT SAY ABOUT THE LEVEL OF 310 00:09:56,027 --> 00:09:57,022 DISCUSSION ON THIS ISSUE? 311 00:09:57,022 --> 00:09:59,006 >> FROM THE STANDPOINT OF 312 00:09:59,022 --> 00:10:02,022 THINKING ABOUT THIS AS A 313 00:10:02,022 --> 00:10:04,000 PUBLIC POLICY ISSUE, IT'S AN 314 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,002 INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT 315 00:10:05,002 --> 00:10:06,014 DISCUSSION BECAUSE THERE ARE SO 316 00:10:06,014 --> 00:10:08,016 MANY MOVING PARTS. THE 317 00:10:08,016 --> 00:10:11,013 PROBLEM, AND I PREFER TO SPEAK 318 00:10:11,013 --> 00:10:13,014 OF THE PROBLEM OF GUN 319 00:10:13,014 --> 00:10:15,022 VIOLENCE AS OPPOSED TO GUN 320 00:10:15,022 --> 00:10:17,019 CONTROL, BECAUSE GUN 321 00:10:17,019 --> 00:10:20,018 VIOLENCE IS A VERY COMPLEX 322 00:10:20,018 --> 00:10:23,002 ISSUE, INCLUDING DOMESTIC 323 00:10:23,002 --> 00:10:25,015 VIOLENCE WHERE A GUN IS A 324 00:10:25,015 --> 00:10:27,022 PRESENT, MASS SHOOTINGS, A 325 00:10:27,022 --> 00:10:28,020 DIFFERENT SCENARIO AND WOULD 326 00:10:28,020 --> 00:10:30,014 REQUIRE DIFFERENT PUBLIC 327 00:10:30,014 --> 00:10:32,014 POLICIES TO ADDRESS THOSE, AND 328 00:10:32,014 --> 00:10:35,011 THEN YOU HAVE THE VERY 329 00:10:35,011 --> 00:10:37,010 REAL PROBLEM UNFORTUNATELY SO 330 00:10:37,022 --> 00:10:40,022 COMMON THAT YOUNG 331 00:10:40,022 --> 00:10:41,029 PREDOMINANTLY POOR INDIVIDUALS 332 00:10:41,029 --> 00:10:44,022 ARE CARRYING WEAPONS TO 333 00:10:44,022 --> 00:10:45,019 PROTECT THEMSELVES, EITHER OUT 334 00:10:46,005 --> 00:10:49,005 OF A SENSE OF FEAR OR 335 00:10:49,005 --> 00:10:50,027 BECAUSE THEY'RE ENGAGED IN 336 00:10:50,029 --> 00:10:53,029 CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND 337 00:10:53,029 --> 00:10:55,006 SHOOTING EACH OTHER, AND GUN 338 00:10:55,006 --> 00:10:56,024 VIOLENCE IS RELATED TO THE 339 00:10:56,024 --> 00:10:58,010 ISSUE OF GUN CONTROL BUT ALSO 340 00:10:58,010 --> 00:11:01,002 VERY DIFFERENT, AND I 341 00:11:01,002 --> 00:11:02,014 THINK THE FOCUS ON IMMEDIATELY 342 00:11:03,014 --> 00:11:06,014 JUMPING TO THE QUESTION 343 00:11:06,014 --> 00:11:09,014 OF GUN CONTROL CREATES A LARGE 344 00:11:09,014 --> 00:11:11,019 DEGREE OF HEAT WITHOUT 345 00:11:11,019 --> 00:11:13,019 MUCH LIGHT, PEOPLE WHO FEEL 346 00:11:14,004 --> 00:11:17,004 STRONGLY ON EITHER SIDE OF 347 00:11:17,004 --> 00:11:18,005 THE ISSUE, HAVE ENOUGH COMPLEX 348 00:11:18,005 --> 00:11:20,007 INFORMATION IN FRONT OF 349 00:11:20,007 --> 00:11:21,029 THEM TO SUPPORT THEIR VIEWS. 350 00:11:21,029 --> 00:11:23,027 THERE'S CLEARLY ON THE 351 00:11:23,027 --> 00:11:24,028 STRICT CONSTRUCTION INSIST SIDE, 352 00:11:24,028 --> 00:11:26,014 EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT 353 00:11:27,016 --> 00:11:30,016 THAT VIEW, AND ON THE ORDERS 354 00:11:30,016 --> 00:11:33,000 OTHER SIDE, THERE'S 355 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,006 CLEARLY ENOUGH LANGUAGE TO 356 00:11:34,006 --> 00:11:36,023 SUPPORT THAT AS WELL, SO 357 00:11:36,023 --> 00:11:38,006 BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTIONAL PIECE 358 00:11:38,006 --> 00:11:40,009 OF THIS REALLY COMES 359 00:11:40,009 --> 00:11:42,002 TO SOME OF THE CORE AND THE CRUX 360 00:11:42,002 --> 00:11:44,006 OF OUR CULTURE IN SOME 361 00:11:44,006 --> 00:11:46,003 WAYS, THAT IT BECOMES ALMOST 362 00:11:46,003 --> 00:11:47,028 IMPOSSIBLE, AND WHAT'S 363 00:11:47,028 --> 00:11:49,006 DIFFICULT ABOUT THIS AS A PERSON 364 00:11:49,006 --> 00:11:51,005 WHOSE TRYING TO 365 00:11:51,005 --> 00:11:52,024 UNDERSTAND THE RESEARCH FROM, IF 366 00:11:52,024 --> 00:11:54,008 YOU CAN, OBJECTIVELY 367 00:11:54,008 --> 00:11:56,014 DO THIS, IS THAT GENERALLY 368 00:11:56,014 --> 00:11:57,025 SPEAKING PEOPLE START WITH 369 00:11:57,025 --> 00:11:59,014 THE CONCLUSION AND FIND EVIDENCE 370 00:11:59,014 --> 00:12:00,028 TO SUPPORT THEIR 371 00:12:00,028 --> 00:12:03,000 POSITION AND THERE'S ENOUGH 372 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,013 EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT BOTH 373 00:12:05,013 --> 00:12:07,010 POSITIONS, SO PEOPLE REALLY NOT 374 00:12:07,010 --> 00:12:08,024 EVEN SPEAKING TO EACH 375 00:12:08,024 --> 00:12:10,004 OTHER ABOUT THE SAME THINGS. 376 00:12:10,004 --> 00:12:11,021 >> YOU RAISE AN INTERESTING 377 00:12:11,023 --> 00:12:14,023 POINT ABOUT THE TERMS AND 378 00:12:14,023 --> 00:12:16,018 SEMANTICS, I'VE SEEN SEVERAL 379 00:12:16,018 --> 00:12:18,002 THINGS THIS WEEK, THE VERY 380 00:12:18,012 --> 00:12:21,012 TERM GUN CONTROL, IS THAT A 381 00:12:24,021 --> 00:12:27,021 LOADED -- NO REPUBLICAN 382 00:12:27,021 --> 00:12:29,009 INTENDED, IT HAS NEGATIVE BADGE 383 00:12:29,009 --> 00:12:30,011 ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND 384 00:12:31,015 --> 00:12:34,015 IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPEECHES THE 385 00:12:34,015 --> 00:12:37,001 PRESIDENT HAS HEAD, 386 00:12:37,001 --> 00:12:39,002 TALKS ABOUT GUNS, VIOLENCE, BUT 387 00:12:39,002 --> 00:12:39,019 NOT NECESSARILY GUN 388 00:12:40,029 --> 00:12:43,029 GUN 389 00:12:43,029 --> 00:12:45,014 CONTROL CONTROL. YOU HAVE 390 00:12:45,014 --> 00:12:47,004 HEARD, CHIEF ABOUT PEOPLE 391 00:12:47,014 --> 00:12:50,014 WHO MAKE THE GUNS, STUDY ABOUT 392 00:12:50,026 --> 00:12:53,026 GUNS,ER EVERY DAY, YOU 393 00:12:53,026 --> 00:12:55,017 AND YOUR 65 OFFICERS KEEPING 394 00:12:55,017 --> 00:12:56,024 STUDENTS SAFE, WHAT'S THE 395 00:12:56,024 --> 00:12:58,002 REALITY? 396 00:12:58,008 --> 00:13:01,010 >> FOR ME, THERE'S A REALITY 397 00:13:01,010 --> 00:13:02,020 THROUGH EVERYTHING ALREADY 398 00:13:02,020 --> 00:13:05,002 BEEN DISCUSSED, WE TALK ABOUT 399 00:13:05,002 --> 00:13:07,017 THE FEW SHORT WORDS, AND 400 00:13:07,017 --> 00:13:09,025 THE INTERPRETATION, AND YOU MAKE 401 00:13:09,025 --> 00:13:11,029 AN ANALOGY THAT A 402 00:13:11,029 --> 00:13:13,025 POLICE OFFICER WOULDN'T ACCEPT, 403 00:13:13,025 --> 00:13:15,022 YOUR EXPLANATION THAT 404 00:13:15,022 --> 00:13:18,017 TRAFFIC LAWS ARE A LIVING 405 00:13:18,017 --> 00:13:21,002 BREATHING DOCUMENT, HOWEVER, 406 00:13:21,002 --> 00:13:23,020 I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN SO FEW 407 00:13:24,003 --> 00:13:27,003 WORDS SO WIDELY 408 00:13:27,003 --> 00:13:28,014 INTERPRETED AS TO THE ORIGINAL, 409 00:13:28,020 --> 00:13:31,020 AND CURRENT INTENT. I 410 00:13:31,028 --> 00:13:34,028 HAVE A CLOSE PERSONAL FRIEND 411 00:13:34,028 --> 00:13:35,025 MUCH AN ADVOCATE TO CARRY 412 00:13:37,001 --> 00:13:40,001 A GUN, AND I SUGGEST TO HIM, AS 413 00:13:40,004 --> 00:13:43,004 LONG AS AS IT'S IN YOUR 414 00:13:43,004 --> 00:13:46,001 POCKET, POSSESSION, IT'S SAFE, 415 00:13:46,027 --> 00:13:49,027 BUT HE'S HAD HIS GUN 416 00:13:49,027 --> 00:13:51,011 TAKEN, I WORRY ABOUT THINGS SUCH 417 00:13:51,011 --> 00:13:53,008 AS HEALTH HEAL, I 418 00:13:54,024 --> 00:13:57,024 DON'T KNOW OF MY MASS SHOOTINGS 419 00:13:57,024 --> 00:13:58,029 AT THE HANDS OF SOMEONE 420 00:13:58,029 --> 00:14:00,029 WHO IS ANYTHING MORE THAN A 421 00:14:01,025 --> 00:14:04,025 PERSON SUFFERING FROM A 422 00:14:04,025 --> 00:14:07,024 MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE, REGARDLESS 423 00:14:09,017 --> 00:14:12,017 OF LET'S IN THEIR HAND, 424 00:14:15,015 --> 00:14:18,015 STRICTER GUN CONTROLS IN ASIAN 425 00:14:19,016 --> 00:14:22,016 COUNTRIES -- I'VE GOT TO 426 00:14:22,016 --> 00:14:23,019 SUPPORT ANYONE'S RIGHT AS A 427 00:14:23,019 --> 00:14:25,013 REASONABLE INDIVIDUAL, AND 428 00:14:25,013 --> 00:14:27,007 THAT'S HOW LAWS ARE WRITTEN, A 429 00:14:27,007 --> 00:14:29,016 REASONABLE INDIVIDUAL 430 00:14:29,016 --> 00:14:30,015 INTERPRETING THIS, I'M NOT SURE 431 00:14:30,015 --> 00:14:32,012 WE UNDERSTAND WHO THAT 432 00:14:32,012 --> 00:14:34,024 IS, WHO A REASONABLE PERSON IS, 433 00:14:35,009 --> 00:14:38,009 ARE WE ON THIS PANEL 434 00:14:38,009 --> 00:14:39,028 REASONABLE? CERTAINLY, ON A 435 00:14:39,028 --> 00:14:41,026 DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, WE'VE 436 00:14:41,026 --> 00:14:44,013 GOT TO BE, BUT I'M NOT SURE THE 437 00:14:45,008 --> 00:14:48,008 PEOPLE WHO DEBATE THIS 438 00:14:48,008 --> 00:14:49,016 HAVE A PERFECT UNDERSTAND OF 439 00:14:49,016 --> 00:14:52,008 WHAT'S OUT HERE IN THE 440 00:14:52,008 --> 00:14:54,012 SENSE THAT THE LIVES OUR 441 00:14:54,026 --> 00:14:57,026 CHILDREN LIVE CURRENTLY, THIS 442 00:14:57,026 --> 00:15:00,027 YOUNG MAN THAT ENACTED THIS 443 00:15:00,027 --> 00:15:03,007 HOUNDERS CRIME IN 444 00:15:03,007 --> 00:15:04,021 CONNECTICUT -- HORRENDOUS CRIME 445 00:15:04,021 --> 00:15:05,020 IN CONNECTICUT, WHETHER 446 00:15:05,020 --> 00:15:07,015 HE HAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT 447 00:15:07,015 --> 00:15:09,024 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, 448 00:15:09,024 --> 00:15:12,008 WASN'T THE ISSUE, HIS LIFE WAS 449 00:15:12,008 --> 00:15:14,024 CLOUDED BY MENTAL HEALTH 450 00:15:14,024 --> 00:15:17,000 ISSUES, OR HIS MOTHER MIGHT HAVE 451 00:15:17,012 --> 00:15:20,012 THOUGHT HE WAS SAFE IN 452 00:15:20,012 --> 00:15:21,005 TEACHING HIS GUN SAFETY, IT 453 00:15:21,005 --> 00:15:22,004 DIDN'T WORK. 454 00:15:22,004 --> 00:15:24,023 >> PRESUMABLY SOME OF THE 455 00:15:24,023 --> 00:15:25,013 STUDENTS, SENIORS OVER 18, 456 00:15:26,028 --> 00:15:29,028 THEORETICALLY THEY COULD HAVE 457 00:15:29,028 --> 00:15:31,028 CONCEALED, CARRY PERMITS, 458 00:15:31,028 --> 00:15:34,008 THEY CAN'T CARRY THEM IN SCHOOL, 459 00:15:34,008 --> 00:15:36,022 BUT DOES THAT GIVE YOU 460 00:15:37,011 --> 00:15:40,011 PAUSE WHEN YOU SEE THESE 461 00:15:40,011 --> 00:15:42,012 STUDENTS CARRY THEIR BOOK BAGS 462 00:15:42,012 --> 00:15:43,006 CAN BE CARRYING A WEAPON? 463 00:15:43,006 --> 00:15:45,024 >> I THINK THAT'S A REALLY 464 00:15:45,024 --> 00:15:48,010 POSSIBILITY ON ALL OF OUR 465 00:15:48,010 --> 00:15:49,018 CAMPUSES THROUGHOUT THIS NATION, 466 00:15:49,018 --> 00:15:50,021 THERE'S A POSSIBILITY 467 00:15:50,021 --> 00:15:53,020 SOMEONE IS CARRYING A WEAPON OF 468 00:15:53,020 --> 00:15:54,029 SOME SORT, THAT ISN'T 469 00:15:54,029 --> 00:15:56,023 WHAT GIVES ME PAUSE AS MUCH AS 470 00:15:56,023 --> 00:15:58,010 THE PAIN AND SUFFERING 471 00:15:58,010 --> 00:15:59,007 THESE CHILDREN ARE GOING THROUGH 472 00:15:59,007 --> 00:16:01,003 AND THE LIVES THEY 473 00:16:01,021 --> 00:16:04,021 HAVE TO LIVE, IT'S NOT 474 00:16:04,021 --> 00:16:06,004 RECOGNIZED, IN MY OPINION, AT 475 00:16:06,004 --> 00:16:07,010 THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL, IF WE'RE 476 00:16:07,010 --> 00:16:09,006 TALKING ABOUT 477 00:16:09,006 --> 00:16:09,025 REASONABLE INDIVIDUALS, 478 00:16:09,025 --> 00:16:10,016 CERTAINLY REASONABLE 479 00:16:10,016 --> 00:16:11,018 INDIVIDUALS OUGHT TO HAVE THE 480 00:16:11,018 --> 00:16:13,024 RIGHT TO CARRY A FIREMAN 481 00:16:13,024 --> 00:16:15,006 AND PROTECT THEMSELVES AND OTHER 482 00:16:15,006 --> 00:16:17,012 PEOPLE, THAT'S NOT 483 00:16:17,012 --> 00:16:18,016 WHAT'S HAPPENING, IN MY OPINION, 484 00:16:18,016 --> 00:16:20,022 THOSE GUNS NOT IN THE 485 00:16:20,022 --> 00:16:22,022 HANDS OF REASONABLE INDIVIDUALS. 486 00:16:22,022 --> 00:16:23,024 >> TWO POINTS THERE, FIRST WITH 487 00:16:23,024 --> 00:16:26,003 RESPECT TO THE MENTAL 488 00:16:26,003 --> 00:16:28,006 HEALTH ISSUE, IT IS ABSOLUTELY 489 00:16:28,006 --> 00:16:29,027 THE INDICATE THERE ARE 490 00:16:29,027 --> 00:16:31,011 SOME INDIVIDUALS, AND WE HAVE A 491 00:16:31,024 --> 00:16:34,024 DIFFICULT SITUATION 492 00:16:34,024 --> 00:16:36,015 HERE, IN THAT THOSE EXAMPLES 493 00:16:36,015 --> 00:16:39,012 LIKE NEW TOWN ARE SO 494 00:16:39,012 --> 00:16:41,029 HORRIFIC, AND THIS IS IN NO WAY 495 00:16:41,029 --> 00:16:43,002 TO MINIMIZE THOSE, BUT 496 00:16:43,002 --> 00:16:43,029 WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER 497 00:16:43,029 --> 00:16:45,006 OF PEOPLE WITH MENTAL 498 00:16:45,006 --> 00:16:47,002 HEALTH ISSUES AND THE NUMBER OF 499 00:16:47,002 --> 00:16:49,013 PEOPLE WHO HAVE MENTAL 500 00:16:49,013 --> 00:16:50,019 HEALTH ISSUES WHO ARE 501 00:16:50,019 --> 00:16:52,028 POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS, EVEN 502 00:16:52,028 --> 00:16:53,027 PROFESSIONALS HAVE AN EXTREME 503 00:16:53,027 --> 00:16:56,005 DIFFICULTY IDENTIFYING OF 504 00:16:56,005 --> 00:16:58,019 THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MENTAL 505 00:17:00,003 --> 00:17:03,003 HEALTH ISSUES, WHICH ONES 506 00:17:03,003 --> 00:17:03,023 COULD BE DANGEROUS, IT'S 507 00:17:03,023 --> 00:17:04,023 EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO 508 00:17:05,005 --> 00:17:08,005 IDENTIFY WHO OF THE PEOPLE WHO 509 00:17:08,005 --> 00:17:08,029 PERIODICALLY APPEAR TO 510 00:17:08,029 --> 00:17:11,013 BE OUT OF CONTROL IN SOME WAYS, 511 00:17:11,013 --> 00:17:13,022 WOULD BE IN A POSITION 512 00:17:13,022 --> 00:17:15,013 OR WOULD BE CAPABLE OF 513 00:17:15,013 --> 00:17:17,004 COMMITTING THOSE ACTS. 514 00:17:17,004 --> 00:17:19,008 >> SO EVEN BROADER BACKGROUND 515 00:17:19,026 --> 00:17:22,026 CHECKS MIGHT NOT 516 00:17:22,026 --> 00:17:23,019 NECESSARILY PICK UP SOMEBODY'S 517 00:17:23,019 --> 00:17:24,005 PROPROPENSITY FOR 518 00:17:24,005 --> 00:17:24,022 VIOLENCE. 519 00:17:24,022 --> 00:17:26,015 >> AND THIS IS WHAT MAKES IT 520 00:17:26,015 --> 00:17:27,028 DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU 521 00:17:27,028 --> 00:17:30,018 COULD CREATE A SITUATION WHERE 522 00:17:30,018 --> 00:17:32,017 YOU WOULD MONITOR OR 523 00:17:32,017 --> 00:17:34,008 CHANGE THE ABILITY OF PEOPLE TO 524 00:17:34,008 --> 00:17:36,008 HAVE FIREARMS THAT HAVE 525 00:17:36,008 --> 00:17:38,009 MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, BUT IN 526 00:17:38,009 --> 00:17:40,022 TERMS OF -- IT'S WHAT WE 527 00:17:40,022 --> 00:17:41,019 CALL THE PREDICTION PROBLEM, 528 00:17:41,019 --> 00:17:43,004 BEING ABLE TO PREDICT 529 00:17:43,004 --> 00:17:45,005 WHICH OF THESE HUNDRED THOUSANDS 530 00:17:45,005 --> 00:17:46,021 PEOPLE WILL BECOME THE 531 00:17:47,004 --> 00:17:50,004 TWO OR THREE WHO TURN INTO THAT 532 00:17:50,004 --> 00:17:51,028 NEW TOWN SHOOTER, 533 00:17:51,028 --> 00:17:53,008 THAT'S NOT TO SAY THERE AREN'T 534 00:17:53,022 --> 00:17:56,022 REASONABLE THINGS WE CAN 535 00:17:56,024 --> 00:17:59,024 DO, BUT IT'S SIMPLY UNTRUE THAT 536 00:17:59,024 --> 00:18:01,019 THE PEOPLE THAT ARE -- 537 00:18:01,019 --> 00:18:02,014 THAT HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES 538 00:18:02,014 --> 00:18:05,005 ARE THE PEOPLE 539 00:18:05,005 --> 00:18:06,017 COMMITTING VIOLENCE, BECAUSE, 540 00:18:06,017 --> 00:18:08,005 THAT MAY BE ONE PIECE OF 541 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,000 IT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OVER 1 542 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,021 1,000 FIREARM HOMICIDE IN 543 00:18:16,021 --> 00:18:18,025 2010, AND PREDOMINANTLY THOSE 544 00:18:18,025 --> 00:18:21,008 WERE OF HAS BEEN GUNS, 545 00:18:21,008 --> 00:18:22,003 INDIVIDUALS ENGAGED IN SEARS OF 546 00:18:22,007 --> 00:18:25,007 ACTIVITIES THAT ARE NOT 547 00:18:25,007 --> 00:18:28,007 WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 548 00:18:28,007 --> 00:18:30,029 >> I WOULDN'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT 549 00:18:30,029 --> 00:18:32,014 YOU SAID, YOU 550 00:18:32,014 --> 00:18:34,004 CLARIFIED MUCH BETTER, TO SAY 551 00:18:34,013 --> 00:18:37,013 THESE ARE VERY, VERY 552 00:18:37,013 --> 00:18:39,005 ISOLATED SITUATIONS, AND YOU 553 00:18:39,005 --> 00:18:40,021 HAVE DONE AS MUCH STUDY IN 554 00:18:40,021 --> 00:18:42,022 THAT FIELD AS I HAVE IN THE 555 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,000 FIELD OF MASS AND SERIAL 556 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:46,029 MURDERS, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH 557 00:18:46,029 --> 00:18:48,024 YOU MORE. 558 00:18:48,024 --> 00:18:50,028 >> FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, AND THE 559 00:18:50,028 --> 00:18:52,000 SHOOTNESS IN NEW TOWN 560 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,008 AND OTHERS, SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN A 561 00:18:54,008 --> 00:18:56,021 FOCAL POINT, AND YOU 562 00:18:56,021 --> 00:18:58,014 PROFESSOR MENTIONED, WHAT CAN WE 563 00:18:58,014 --> 00:19:00,008 DO EVEN IF WE CAN'T 564 00:19:00,008 --> 00:19:02,025 IDENTIFY OR PREDICT WHO MIGHT 565 00:19:02,025 --> 00:19:03,026 HAVE A SOURCE OF TROUBLE? 566 00:19:03,026 --> 00:19:06,019 >> LET ME CLARIFY. I'M NOT 567 00:19:06,019 --> 00:19:07,021 SAYING WE CAN'T PREDICT, 568 00:19:07,021 --> 00:19:09,009 I'M SAYING IT'S NOT A SIMPLE 569 00:19:09,009 --> 00:19:10,024 SITUATION TO BE ABLE TO 570 00:19:11,024 --> 00:19:14,024 SAY IF YOU DO X, YOU'LL HAVE Y. 571 00:19:14,024 --> 00:19:16,018 AND I'LL JUST THIS 572 00:19:24,025 --> 00:19:27,025 POINT AND LET OTHER JUMP IN: 573 00:19:27,025 --> 00:19:29,000 ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK 574 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,008 WE HAVE TO LOOK AT HERE IS THAT 575 00:19:31,008 --> 00:19:32,018 LIKE MANY COMPLEX 576 00:19:32,027 --> 00:19:35,027 PROBLEMS, THERE ARE LIKELY TO BE 577 00:19:35,027 --> 00:19:37,020 MULTI FACETED 578 00:19:37,020 --> 00:19:39,012 SOLUTIONS, I LIKE TO THINK OF 579 00:19:39,012 --> 00:19:40,028 THIS IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC 580 00:19:40,028 --> 00:19:42,018 SAFETY, IT'S NOT ABOUT A 581 00:19:42,018 --> 00:19:44,020 SPECIFIC PIECE OF ACTIVITY, 582 00:19:45,024 --> 00:19:48,024 IT'S A SERIES ACROSS A VARIETY 583 00:19:48,024 --> 00:19:50,005 OF DOMAINS, AND THAT'S 584 00:19:52,014 --> 00:19:55,014 WHERE I THINK IN THE LONG RUN -- 585 00:19:55,014 --> 00:19:57,005 >> GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE HAS SAID 586 00:19:57,005 --> 00:19:59,004 THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF 587 00:19:59,004 --> 00:20:01,024 TOO MUCH ACCESS TO GUNS, IT'S 588 00:20:01,024 --> 00:20:03,000 ACCESS TO SCHOOLS. 589 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,005 >> I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO 590 00:20:05,005 --> 00:20:06,026 DISCUSS THIS GUN CONTROL 591 00:20:06,026 --> 00:20:08,015 ISSUE IN THAT VEIN, AND I HAVE 592 00:20:08,015 --> 00:20:09,024 NEVER SAID PEOPLE DON'T 593 00:20:09,024 --> 00:20:11,027 HAVE A RIGHT TO CARRY A FIREMAN, 594 00:20:11,027 --> 00:20:13,005 I'M SAYING WE NEED TO 595 00:20:13,005 --> 00:20:14,013 BE RESPONSIBILITY TO UNDERSTAND 596 00:20:14,013 --> 00:20:16,013 THAT SOMETIMES THOSE 597 00:20:16,013 --> 00:20:17,009 INDIVIDUALS CARRYING A FIREMAN 598 00:20:17,009 --> 00:20:18,023 ARE NOT THOSE 599 00:20:18,023 --> 00:20:20,023 INDIVIDUALS THAT WE EVER HAD THE 600 00:20:20,023 --> 00:20:22,029 INTENT TO ALLOW TO 601 00:20:22,029 --> 00:20:25,016 CARRY A FIREMAN. CONSISTENT 602 00:20:25,016 --> 00:20:27,000 BACKGROUND CHECKS, IN MY 603 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,018 OPINION, WILL PROVIDE SOME 604 00:20:28,018 --> 00:20:29,019 SAFETY, IN ADDITION TO THAT, 605 00:20:30,004 --> 00:20:33,004 YOU CAN GO BUY A FIREMAN, GET A 606 00:20:33,004 --> 00:20:35,017 LICENSE, CARRY A 607 00:20:35,017 --> 00:20:37,023 FIREMAN, AND NEVER KNOW HOW TO 608 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,000 USE IT. NOW, I DON'T 609 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,009 THINK THAT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS 610 00:20:44,005 --> 00:20:47,005 EVER THOUGHT WE WOULD 611 00:20:47,005 --> 00:20:49,002 BE DRIVING, AS SENATOR BRENT 612 00:20:49,002 --> 00:20:49,020 WALTZ THOUGHT, A HUNDRED 613 00:20:49,020 --> 00:20:51,028 MILES PER HOUR ON THE STREET, 614 00:20:51,028 --> 00:20:53,010 BUT WE AS LAWMAKERS HAVE 615 00:20:53,010 --> 00:20:54,028 DETERMINED THAT THAT CAR IS A 616 00:20:54,028 --> 00:20:57,008 DANGEROUS PIECE OF 617 00:20:57,008 --> 00:20:58,000 EQUIPMENT, IT WOULD REQUIRE 618 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,016 SOMEONE TO HAVE AT LEAST 619 00:21:00,016 --> 00:21:02,008 THE BASIC SUNDAYSINGS OF HOW TO 620 00:21:02,008 --> 00:21:02,026 CONTROL THAT VEHICLE. 621 00:21:02,026 --> 00:21:04,022 WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE SAME 622 00:21:04,022 --> 00:21:07,002 THING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A 623 00:21:07,002 --> 00:21:09,026 RIGHT, FOR PEOPLE WHO CARRY A 624 00:21:09,026 --> 00:21:11,020 FIREMAN? WHY DON'T THEY 625 00:21:11,020 --> 00:21:13,002 HAVE TO HAVE THE BASIC 626 00:21:13,002 --> 00:21:14,015 UNDERSTANDING, AND THE 627 00:21:14,022 --> 00:21:17,022 DIFFICULTIES TO UNLOCK THE 628 00:21:17,022 --> 00:21:20,020 SAFETY, SHOOT IT, CLEAN IT. 629 00:21:20,020 --> 00:21:22,000 >> BRENT WALTZ? 630 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,005 >> THERE ARE HUNDREDS OR 631 00:21:24,005 --> 00:21:25,009 THOUSANDS OF ITEMS WE DEAL 632 00:21:25,027 --> 00:21:28,027 WITH EVERY DAY THAT COULD BE 633 00:21:28,027 --> 00:21:29,028 EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, SAWS 634 00:21:33,005 --> 00:21:36,005 CHAIN SUES, I'VE NEVER USED A 635 00:21:36,005 --> 00:21:37,009 CHAINSAW IN MY LIFE, MY 636 00:21:42,019 --> 00:21:45,019 -- MY 637 00:21:45,019 --> 00:21:47,013 UNCLE ALMOST GOT HIS LEG CUTOFF, 638 00:21:47,013 --> 00:21:50,003 SHOULD WE HAVE A 639 00:21:51,017 --> 00:21:54,017 LICENSE TO BY A CHAIN SAW AT 640 00:21:54,017 --> 00:21:55,011 WAL-MART OR MENARDS. 641 00:21:55,014 --> 00:21:58,014 THERE ARE THINGS THAT I WOULD 642 00:21:58,014 --> 00:21:59,003 ARGUE CAN EVERY BIT AS 643 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,000 LETHAL AS A FIREMAN. 644 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,011 >> THE DIFFERENCE, IN MY VIEW, 645 00:22:07,011 --> 00:22:10,000 THAT CHAINSAWS ARE NOT 646 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,011 USED AS WEAPONS AGAINST OTHER 647 00:22:11,011 --> 00:22:13,012 PEOPLE ON A REGULAR 648 00:22:13,012 --> 00:22:15,002 BASIS, SO OUR RESPONSIBILITY IN 649 00:22:15,002 --> 00:22:16,027 TERMS OF PUBLIC 650 00:22:16,027 --> 00:22:19,001 POLICY -- 651 00:22:19,001 --> 00:22:20,019 >> REAL QUICKLY, SENATE BILL 1, 652 00:22:20,019 --> 00:22:22,013 THE ONE BILL THAT 653 00:22:22,013 --> 00:22:23,019 HASN'T BEEN SENT TO RULES 654 00:22:23,019 --> 00:22:26,011 COMMITTEE, THAT WOULD BE 655 00:22:26,011 --> 00:22:27,017 ADDITIONAL FUNDING, PROPERTY TAX 656 00:22:27,017 --> 00:22:29,004 $10 MILLION FOR SCHOOL 657 00:22:29,004 --> 00:22:30,019 RESOURCE OFFICERS, IS THAT GOING 658 00:22:30,019 --> 00:22:31,013 TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, 659 00:22:32,012 --> 00:22:35,012 DO YOU THINK IF THAT'S FUNDED 660 00:22:35,012 --> 00:22:35,029 AND ENACTED? 661 00:22:37,012 --> 00:22:40,012 >> I DO, IT'S A KICK START FOR 662 00:22:40,012 --> 00:22:42,003 SOME SCHOOL DISTRICTS 663 00:22:42,003 --> 00:22:42,028 CHORE PROBABLY HEADED IN THAT 664 00:22:43,027 --> 00:22:46,027 DIRECTION AND COULD USE 665 00:22:46,027 --> 00:22:49,012 THE ASSISTANCE IN FUNDING AND IN 666 00:22:49,012 --> 00:22:50,022 WAKING US UP. IF YOU 667 00:22:50,022 --> 00:22:53,005 WANT TO PUT IT IN THAT 668 00:22:53,005 --> 00:22:55,017 DIRECTION, IF THEY HASN'T CHOSEN 669 00:22:55,017 --> 00:22:57,006 THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY UTILIZING 670 00:22:57,006 --> 00:22:57,029 LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. 671 00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:59,019 >> WELL, THAT'S PART OF THE 672 00:22:59,019 --> 00:23:00,010 FEDERAL LEGISLATION, WE 673 00:23:00,010 --> 00:23:02,006 NEED TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND 674 00:23:02,006 --> 00:23:03,025 THAT PART OF THE 675 00:23:03,025 --> 00:23:04,027 FEDERAL LEGISLATION DOES PROVIDE 676 00:23:04,027 --> 00:23:06,008 ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR 677 00:23:06,008 --> 00:23:07,014 SCHOOLS TO HAVE RESOURCE 678 00:23:07,014 --> 00:23:09,002 OFFICERS, WE DON'T NEED TO 679 00:23:09,004 --> 00:23:12,004 LOOK AT THIS IN A BOX. IF 680 00:23:12,004 --> 00:23:14,015 CONGRESS GOES ALONG WITH 681 00:23:14,015 --> 00:23:15,011 THIS, CONGRESS WILL PROVIDE 682 00:23:15,011 --> 00:23:16,009 ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR 683 00:23:16,009 --> 00:23:18,009 RESOURCES -- 684 00:23:18,009 --> 00:23:19,024 >> EVEN IF THEY DON'T WE'RE 685 00:23:19,024 --> 00:23:22,013 EXAMINING TO PROVIDE IN THE 686 00:23:22,013 --> 00:23:23,015 STATE OF INDIANA, KIDS' SAFETY 687 00:23:23,015 --> 00:23:25,017 VERY IMPORTANT. 688 00:23:25,017 --> 00:23:27,026 >> I NEED ANY REFEREE WHISTLE 689 00:23:27,026 --> 00:23:28,015 HERE, WE CAN GO ON AND 690 00:23:28,015 --> 00:23:29,008 ON. 691 00:23:30,005 --> 00:23:32,018 AGAIN, MY GUESTS HAVE BEEN 692 00:23:32,018 --> 00:23:33,010 REPUBLICAN SENATOR BRENT WALTZ 693 00:23:33,010 --> 00:23:33,024 OF GREENWOOD... 694 00:23:33,024 --> 00:23:34,016 DEMOCRATIC SENATOR GREG TAYLOR 695 00:23:34,016 --> 00:23:35,006 OF INDIANAPOLIS ...THOMAS 696 00:23:35,006 --> 00:23:36,000 STUCKY, A CRIMINAL-JUSTICE 697 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:36,019 PROFESSOR AT INDIANA 698 00:23:36,019 --> 00:23:37,011 UNIVERSITY-PURDUE UNIVERSITY AT 699 00:23:37,011 --> 00:23:38,006 INDIANAPOLIS...AND STEVE GARNER, 700 00:23:38,006 --> 00:23:39,003 POLICE CHIEF FOR INDIANAPOLIS 701 00:23:43,012 --> 00:23:44,004 THE TOPIC IS HEALTH CARE! 702 00:23:44,004 --> 00:23:45,005 OUR EXPERT PANEL WILL SHOOT FROM 703 00:23:45,005 --> 00:23:46,007 THE H.I.P... 704 00:23:46,007 --> 00:23:47,004 YOU'LL GET THAT JOKE ON THE NEXT 705 00:23:49,016 --> 00:23:50,008 TIME NOW FOR OUR WEEKLY 706 00:23:50,008 --> 00:23:51,002 CONVERSATION WITH ED FEIGENBAUM, 707 00:23:51,002 --> 00:23:51,027 PUBLISHER OF THE NEWSLETTER 708 00:23:59,022 --> 00:24:01,015 EE, ASIDE FROM THE SCHOOL 709 00:24:03,011 --> 00:24:06,011 OFFICER RESOURCE FUNDING 710 00:24:06,011 --> 00:24:08,025 BILL, BASICALLY BILLS SENT TO 711 00:24:08,025 --> 00:24:10,027 RULES, WILL HEAR NOTHING 712 00:24:10,027 --> 00:24:12,027 FROM THEM. 713 00:24:12,027 --> 00:24:14,001 >> I THINK LEADERS THEY WILL 714 00:24:14,001 --> 00:24:15,029 THEY DID EVERYTHING THEY 715 00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:18,008 COULD TO EXPAND GUN RIGHTS, WE 716 00:24:18,008 --> 00:24:19,015 SAW MAJOR EXPANSIONS OF 717 00:24:19,015 --> 00:24:21,003 THE ABILITY TO CARRY, AND 718 00:24:21,003 --> 00:24:23,015 THERE'S NOT REALLY A GREAT 719 00:24:23,015 --> 00:24:24,009 APPETITE TO EXPAND THINGS EVEN 720 00:24:24,009 --> 00:24:25,022 FURTHER AT THIS POINT. 721 00:24:25,022 --> 00:24:28,021 >> TWO BILLS THAT DID GET SOME 722 00:24:28,021 --> 00:24:30,001 ATTENTION, ONE WOULD 723 00:24:30,001 --> 00:24:32,010 ALLOW STUDENTS, COLLEGE STUDENTS 724 00:24:32,010 --> 00:24:35,005 ON PUBLIC COME POSES 725 00:24:35,011 --> 00:24:38,011 TO CARRY CONCEALED WEAPONS IF 726 00:24:38,011 --> 00:24:40,005 THEY HAD PERMITS. THE 727 00:24:40,005 --> 00:24:41,015 OTHER ONE WOULD SAY, BASICALLY, 728 00:24:41,015 --> 00:24:42,008 IF WE MAKE THE GUNS AND 729 00:24:43,006 --> 00:24:46,006 ANDAMMUNITION HERE, IT'S NOT A 730 00:24:46,024 --> 00:24:49,024 FEDERAL ISSUE, IT'S A 731 00:24:49,024 --> 00:24:50,018 STATE ISSUE, TENTH AMENDMENT, DO 732 00:24:50,018 --> 00:24:52,020 YOU THINK ANY OF THOSE 733 00:24:52,020 --> 00:24:55,014 WILL RESONATE IN THE FUTURE? 734 00:24:55,014 --> 00:24:57,025 >> ABSOLUTELY, WE'LL HAVE A BIG 735 00:24:57,025 --> 00:25:00,013 DISCUSSION ABOUT TENTH 736 00:25:00,013 --> 00:25:01,022 AMEANT ISSUES, WE'RE HAVING 737 00:25:01,022 --> 00:25:03,027 THOSE TALKS RIGHT NOW ON A 738 00:25:03,027 --> 00:25:06,009 A MACROLEVEL, AND THE GUNS IN 739 00:25:08,019 --> 00:25:11,019 THE HIGHER EDUCATION 740 00:25:11,019 --> 00:25:12,011 INSTITUTION BILL BEING PUSHED 741 00:25:12,025 --> 00:25:15,025 BACK AGAINST BY THE 742 00:25:15,025 --> 00:25:16,017 COLLEGES THEMSELVES, AND ALSO 743 00:25:16,017 --> 00:25:17,024 AGAINST THE LEGISLATION 744 00:25:17,024 --> 00:25:18,025 THAT EXPANDED THE LEGISLATION TO 745 00:25:18,025 --> 00:25:20,002 CARRY IN THE LAST TWO 746 00:25:20,002 --> 00:25:20,025 YEARS, FROM THE ACCIDENT THE 747 00:25:20,025 --> 00:25:22,002 INDIANA CHAMBER OF 748 00:25:22,002 --> 00:25:23,023 COMMERCE, SO THERE ARE ISSUES 749 00:25:23,023 --> 00:25:25,024 WITH SOME OF THOSE BILLS 750 00:25:25,024 --> 00:25:27,007 KEEPING THOSE THINGS OUT OF THE 751 00:25:27,007 --> 00:25:27,020 REAL COMMITTEE 752 00:25:27,020 --> 00:25:28,028 HEARINGS. 753 00:25:28,028 --> 00:25:31,015 >> AND SENATE BILL 1, THE SCHOOL 754 00:25:31,015 --> 00:25:34,007 RESOURCE OFFICER BILL, 755 00:25:34,013 --> 00:25:37,013 WILL IT GET FUNDED? A NOTION OF 756 00:25:37,013 --> 00:25:39,015 $10,000,000.23 GRANTS. 757 00:25:39,015 --> 00:25:41,002 >> THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 758 00:25:41,002 --> 00:25:43,001 THAT IN THE HOUSE 759 00:25:43,001 --> 00:25:44,011 COMMITTEE, WAYS AND MEANS, AND 760 00:25:44,011 --> 00:25:46,011 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS 761 00:25:46,011 --> 00:25:47,021 MADE THIS A MAJOR PRIORITY, IT 762 00:25:47,021 --> 00:25:48,017 WILL CERTAINLY BE TALKED 763 00:25:48,017 --> 00:25:50,007 ABOUT IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS. 764 00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:53,004 . 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