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INDIANA'S TRANSPORTATION

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INFRASTRUCTURE GETS A C MINUS

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FROM THE AMERICAN SOCIETY OF

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CIVIL ENGINEERS, BUT YOU DON'T

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HAVE TO BE AN ENGINEER TO

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RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF THE

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STATE'S ROADS AND BRIDGES HAVE

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BECOME A REAL PAIN IN THE

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ASPHALT.

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MOST EVERYONE AGREES THAT

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REPAIRS ARE BADLY NEEDED.

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WHAT'S UP FOR DEBATE IS HOW TO

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PAY FOR THE NECESSARY

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IMPROVEMENTS.

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HI, I'M JON SCHWANTES, AND ON

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THIS EDITION OF "INDIANA

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LAWMAKERS,"  WE'LL WE'LL FOCUS

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ON INDIANA'S AGING

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INFRASTRUCTURE, AND WHAT TO DO

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ABOUT IT, WITH A PANEL OF

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TRANSPORTATION POLICYMAKERS

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AND STAKEHOLDERS.

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FIRST UP, THOUGH, PAVING THE

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WAY FOR THE DISCUSSION IS THIS

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REPORT FROM CHRISTOPHER AYERS

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OF WFYI PUBLIC MEDIA.

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THE CONDITION OF INDIANA'S

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ROADS AND BRIDGES TOOK CENTER

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STAGE LAST SUMMER AFTER THE

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SUPPORT PIER OF AN INTERSTATE

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65 BRIDGE NORTH OF LAFAYETTE

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WAS FOUND TO HAVE SUNK NINE

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INCHES.

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THAT DISCOVERY LED TO A MORE

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THAN MONTH-LONG CLOSURE OF A

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37-MILE STRETCH OF HEAVILY

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TRAFFICKED HIGHWAY AND

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PROMPTED QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT

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THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY MIGHT DO

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LONG-TERM INFRASTRUCTURE

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FUNDING SOLUTION.

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GOVERNOR PENCE BROACHED THE

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ISSUE FIRST WHEN HE ANNOUNCED

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HIS OWN ROAD FUNDING PROPOSAL

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IN OCTOBER.

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IT WOULD SPEND A BILLION

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DOLLARS ON ROAD AND BRIDGE

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IMPROVEMENTS OVER THE NEXT

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THE PLAN WOULD BE PAID FOR, IN

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PART, BY PULLING FROM THE

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STATE'S EXCESS RESERVES.

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IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE

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BORROWING ABOUT A QUARTER OF

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THE PROPOSED FUNDING THROUGH A

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240 MILLION-DOLLAR BOND ISSUE.

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THE PLAN HAS BEEN TAKEN UP IN

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THE SENATE.

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HOUSE REPUBLICANS, HOWEVER,

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HAVE PROPOSED A COMPETING

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ROADS PLAN.

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IT WOULD INCREASE THE STATE

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GASOLINE TAX, WHICH HASN'T

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BEEN RAISED IN OVER A DECADE,

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AS WELL AS THE CIGARETTE TAX.

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HOUSE SPEAKER BRIAN BOSMA HAS

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CALLED THE PLAN "RESPONSIBLE,

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COMPREHENSIVE AND

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SUSTAINABLE," AND HE SAYS IT

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WOULD FUND THE STATE'S

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INFRASTRUCTURE BEYOND THE FOUR

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YEARS PROPOSED BY THE

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GOVERNOR.

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IT'S UNCLEAR, THOUGH, WHETHER

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THE GOVERNOR COULD STOMACH A

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TAX INCREASE TO PAY FOR ROAD

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FUNDING -- SOMETHING HE

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MENTIONED EARLIER THIS YEAR

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DURING THE STATE OF THE STATE

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ADDRESS.

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IN THE BANK AND YOU GOT THENEY%-

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BEST CREDIT RATING IN AMERICA,

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THE LAST PLACE YOU SHOULD LOOK

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TO PAY FOR ROADS AND BRIDGES

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IS THE WALLETS AND POCKETBOOKS

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OF HARD-WORKING HOOSIERS.

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LET'S INVEST IN OUR ROADS,

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LET'S MAINTAIN THE CROSSROADS

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AF AMERICA, AND LET'S DO IT

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WITHOUT RAISING TAXES.

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IT'S UNCLEAR AT THIS POINT

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WHICH PLAN, IF EITHER, WILL

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MAKE IT TO THE GOVERNOR'S

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DESK, AND WHETHER OR NOT HE'D

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SIGN IT ONCE IT GOT THERE, BUT

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WITH BOTH PLANS POISED TO MAKE

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IT  UT OF COMMITTEE, IT IS

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INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING HAS

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ONLY JUST BEGIN.

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FOR "INDIANA LAWMAKERS," I'M

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CHRISTOPHER AYERS.

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THANKS, CHRISTOPHER.

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BACK IN A MOMENT WITH OUR

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WEEKLY ROUND TABLE.

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"INDIANA LAWMAKERS" -- FROM

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IN A WAY, LAWMAKERS BEGAN

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THE 2016 SESSION AT THE

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POLITICAL EQUIVALENT OF A

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CCOWDED ALL-WAY STOP.

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EVERYONE WAS IN THE SAME

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PLACE, MORE OR LESS, BECAUSE

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OF THE NEAR-UNIVERSAL

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RECOGNITION THAT SOMETHING HAD

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TO BE DONE ABOUT THE STATE'S

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AGING ROADS AND BRIDGES.

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FROM THERE, HOWEVER, LAWMAKERS

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HAVE ACCELERATED IN MULTIPLE

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DIRECTIONS IN REGARD TO

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FUNDING THE NECESSARY

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IMPROVEMENTS.

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SOME ARE STEERING TOWARD

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BORROWING THE MONEY.

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SOME ARE ON THE ROADDTO

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RAISING TAXES.

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AND OTHERS ARE HEADING

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STRAIGHT TOWARD TAPPING THE

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STATE'S BUDGET RESERVES.

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THINK YOU NEED A GPS TO KEEP

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TRACK OF IT ALL?

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NAH, WE'VE GOT SOMETHING FAR

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BETTER -- THE EXPERT PANEL

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THAT JOINS ME TODAY.

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REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE ED

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SOLIDAY OF VALPARAISO,

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CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE ROADS

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AND TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.

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DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE DAN

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FORESTAL OF INDIANAPOLIS,

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RANKING MINORITY MEMBER OF

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THAT  AME PANEL.

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FISHERS MAYOR SCOTT FADNESS,

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CHAIRMAN OF THE INDIANA

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ASSOCIATION OF CIIIES AND

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TOWNS' LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE.

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AND JUSTIN STEVENS, STATE

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DIRECTOR OF AMERICANS FOR

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PROSPERITY, A CONSERVATIVE,

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ANTITAX ADVOCACY GROUP FOUNDED

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BY BILLIONAIRE BROTHERS DAVID

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AND CHARLES KOCH.

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AND I THANK YOU ALL FOO

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TRAVELING THE ROADWAYS TO GET

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HERE FOR THIS TAPING.

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ED SOLIDAY, WHAT IS THE

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FLIPPANT, BUT WHAT'S MOREADS I%-

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DANGEROUS POLITICAL POTHOLES

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OR THE ACTUAL POTHOLES.

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I WOULD RATHER DEAL WITH

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POLIIICAL POTHOLES THAN ROAD

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POTHOLES.

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WE BEGAN FIVE YEARS TO THE

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ASPECT QUESTION AND QUITE

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FRANKLY, IN 2013 WE PASSED A

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BILL THAT TOLD INDOT TO HIRE A

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CONSULTANT AN AND TELL US, ONE,

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AAL OF THE WAYS TO FUND ROADS

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USING A METRIC THAT EVERYONE

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COULD BE USED TO COMPARE TO

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OTHER STAAES.

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OOT OF THAT STUDY INDIANA WAS

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IN THE LOWER THIRD OF THE

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NATION.

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AND LOOKING AT A REASONED

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STUDY IN MANY AREAS, WE ARE

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24th IN ROAD MILES AND WELL

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BELOW 30th AND SOMETIMES

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45th IN EACH OF THE METRICS,

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SO WE ARE THE CROSSROADS OF

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AMERICA, WE GET HUGE WEAA ON

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OUR STATE HIGHWAYS FROM

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18-WHEEL TRUCKS AND SO FORTH.

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SO WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO.

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NOW, LAST YEAR, THOUGH, WAS

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A BUDGET YEAR AND EARRY ON,

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SAY LAST SPRING, I DON'T THINK

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FOLKS NECESSARILY SAW THIS ON

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THE RADAR.

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IT HAS BEEN GROWING.

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WE BEGAN FIVE YEARS AGO IN THE

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COMMITTEE WITH A SUMMER STUDY

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COMMITTEE.

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CARL BROWNING, WHO WAS

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COMMISSIONER, THEN, LAST YEAR,

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TESTIFYING BEFORE OUR

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COMMITTEE, OUR JOINT STUDY

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COMMITTEE, BEFORE WAYS AND

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MEANS, SAID THAT HE NEEDED

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BETWEEN 250 AND $300 MILLION,

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ADDITIONAL DOLLARS, EVERY YEAR

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JUST TO STOP THE DECLINE IN

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OUR ROADS.

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JUST TT STOP THE DECLINE.

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SO WE KNEW IT WAS THEREE

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THE ISSUE WAS LAST YEAR THERE

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WERE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS ON

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THE AGENDA.

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WE WANTED TO GET EDUCATION

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TAKEN CARE OF.

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AND THE SPEAKER WAS SAYING

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EVEN LAST YEAR THIS WOULD BE

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THE YEAR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

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WWLL, AND FORESTAL YOU AND

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OTHER DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN

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-ABANGING THE DRUMS ABOUT THE

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CONDITION OF ROADWAYS

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ESPECIALLY LAST SUMMER WITH

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THE SNARLING IN WEST LAFAYETTE

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WITH THE SINKING BRIDGE AND

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RESULTANT DETOURS.

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DO YOU FEEL THAT YOUR CAUCUS

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HAS BROUGHT TO BRING ABOUT

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MORE MEDIA FOCUSSON THIS

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ISSUE?

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I WOULD SAY THAT.

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AND DEMOCRATS REALLY ARE THE

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REASON THIS ISSUE IS PROBABLY

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NUMBER ONE IN TERMS OF WHAT

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THE LEGISLATURE'S LOOKING AT

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RIGHT NOW.

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YOU KNOW, I THINK FROM MY

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PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD HAVE

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LIKED TO SEE SOMETHING BE

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ADDRESSED IN THE BUDGET OR IN

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THE BUDGET SESSION.

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INDIANA'S -- INDIANA'S KNOWN

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FOR ITS ROADS AND RIGHT NOW

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WE'RE NOT LIVINGGUP TO THE

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RESPONSIBILITY.

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THE ROADS ARE NOT IN GREAT

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CONDITION, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE

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GENERALLY IS NOT IN GREAT

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CONDITION AND IT'S SOMETHING

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THAT WE ARE GOING TO  AVE TO

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ADDRESS.

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IT'S GOOD THAT WE ALL AGREE ON

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THAT PORTION OF IT.

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THE QUESTIIN IS HOW DO WE GO

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FORWARD WITH IT.

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MAYOR, HOW IMPORTANT IS

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ROAD CONSTRUCTION AND ROAD

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REPAIRS IN MAYORS ANN CITIES

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THAT ARE SMALL.

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SSRE, MONDAY

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ACROSS-THE-BOARD NUMBER ONE

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PRRORITY IS IMPROVEMENT IN

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TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.

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AND SO WE'RE WATCHING

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MR. SOLIDAY'S BBLL VERY

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CLOSELY IN THE HOUSE, WE'RE

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LOOKING AT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN

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TO ALL OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES-

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ABOUT WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO

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FIND A SUSTAINABLE PLAN FOR

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THE FUTURE OF OUR

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TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.

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DO YOU THINK MOST MAYORS

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ARE SAYING THAT THEY SEE THE

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PROBLEMS NOW OR IS THIS MORE

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OF A PRECAUTION THAT, THE

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RECOGNITION THAT MANY OF THE

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BRIDGES, MANY OF THE ROADS

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ARE, IN FACT, AGING AND THAT

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THIS WILL BE A CHALLENGE IN

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THE YEARS TO COME?

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YEAH, WE TEND NOT TO BE

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ALARMIST ABOUT THE ISSUE BUT

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WE DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AA%

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THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION ABOUT

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THE LONG--ERM VIABILITY ABOUT

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OUR FUNDINGGISSUES.

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MAYOR AT THE CURRENT FUNDING%-

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LEVEL WE WOULD REPAVE OUR

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ROADS ONCE EVERY 72 YEARS

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WHICH IS NOT A SUSTAINABLE

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MODEL.

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OUR ROADS MAY BE IN DECENT

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CONDITION TTDAY BUT THE

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LIKELIHOOD THEY WILL BE IN THE

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15, 25 YEARS UNDER CURRENT

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FUNDING LEVELS IS UNLIKELY.

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WE NEED TO HAVE THIS

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DISCUSSION TOAD.

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JUSTIN, YOUR ORGANIZATION,

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YOU WOULD JUST AS SOON NOT TO

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HAVE A GOT OF GOVERNMENTAL

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INTRUSION, BIG SPENDING, BUT

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WOULD  E ACKNOWLEDGE A

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INFRASTRUCTURE ESPECIALLY

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WHAT'' TOUTED AS THE

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CROSSROADS OF AMERICA IS

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IMPORTANT?

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CERTAINLY, I THINK ANYONE

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WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

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WE THINK THAT PROVIDING THE

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APPROPRIATE INFRASTRUCTURE IS

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A BASIC CORE FUNCTION OF

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GOVERNMENT.

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WE DO THINK THAT SHOUUD BE

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TAKEN CARE OF.

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WHAT WE MAY DIFFER IS HOW

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SHOULD WE DO THAT AND WHAT ARE

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OUR PRIORITIES.

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THAT IS A CORE FUNCTION OF

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GOVERNMENT.

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WHAT ARE SOME THINGS THAA

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MAYBE AREN'T AND HOW DO WE

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NNED TO PRIORITIZE OUR STATE

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BUDGET FOR THAT.

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THE GOVERNOR JUMPED INTO

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THE FRAY, TAPPING THE RESERVES

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TO A CERTAIN EXTENT AND ALSO

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BORROWING OR BONDING, I GUESS

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AS IT'S MORE PLEASANT TO SAY,

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WHAT WAS WRONG WITH THAT BILL?

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WELL, FIRST OF ALL --

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I SHOULD  OT SPEAK ABOUT IT

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IN PAST TENSE, INCIDENTALLEY,

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IT'S STILL ALIVE AND WELL.

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FIRST, WE'RE GLAD HE

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RECOGNIZES IT'S A PROBLEM.

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YEAR CREATES $400 MILLION.RST

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BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN OVERFUNDING

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MEDICAID FOR A WHILE.

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IN THE SECOND YEAR, IT ONLY

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CREATES MONEY IF THHRE IS MORE

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REVENUE THAN THE BUDGET AND

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THE RESERVES ARE OVER 11 1/2%.

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SO  F YOU LOOK AT THE FISSAL

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DELIVERED BY LEGISLATIVE

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SERVICES, THEY'RE ALL ZEROS,

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NO MONEY, IT'S UNPREDICTABLE.

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BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A RECESSION

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OF ANY KIND OR A DIP IN THE

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ECONOMY AND WE FUND THOSE

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BASICS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR

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BUDGET, HOW LEAN IT'S BEEN

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AINCE GOVERNOR DANIELS WAS

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HERE AND HOW WELL MANAGED IT'S

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BEEN 54% OF IT OR SO IS K-12

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EDUCATION, ANOTHER 11% IS

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HIGHER ED.

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SO YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY

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MONEY FOR A GROWING PROBLEM

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AFTER THEEFIRST YEAR.

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SECOND OF ALL, A NUMBER OF US

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DO NOT WANT TO PASS THE DEBT

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FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE ON TO

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OUR CHILDREN SO WE DON'T WANT

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A BOND.

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TODAY, ON A BONDING THAT WAS

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DONE IN 1998, WE'RE PAYIIG

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$100 MILLION A YEAR.

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AND THOSE DEDICATED SOURCES

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NOW DON'T PAY THAT

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100 MILLION, SO WE'RE HAVING

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TO DIP INTO OUR GENNRAL

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REVENUES TO PAY THROUGH 2029

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FOR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S

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COMING APART.

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WE DON'T AGGEE.

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IT'S LIKE BUYING A HOME AND

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MORTGAGING THE CARPEE FOR 30

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YEARS WHEN IT LASTS 15.

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DAN FORESTAL, YOUR CAUCUS

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MAY NOT LIKE NECCSSARILY THE

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BORROWINN BUT I THINK IT'S

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CLEAR YOU DO LIKE THE NOTION

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OF TAPPING THE RESERVES.

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THE GOVERNOR'S PLAN TO PUT,

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YOU KNOW, A PORTION OF OUR

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ROADS ON A CREDIT CARD IS JUST

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FISCALLY NOT RESPONSIBLE, IT'S

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NOT SMART PUBLIC POLICY, I

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THINK WE'LL BE PAYING IT OFF

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LONG AFTER THE ROADS HAVE

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DETERIORATED AND GONE.

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WE'LL STILL BE PAYING THE

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BONDS OFF.

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IN FACT,  UR CHILDRRN WILL BE

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PAYING THOSE BONDS OFF.

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BUT WHERE WE DO AGREE WITH THE

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GOVERNOR IS THAT NNW IS NOT

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THE TIME TO RAISE TAXES ON

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HOOSIERS, I MEAN, WE -- THEE%

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INDIANA HAS LAGGED BEHIND IN

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MEDIAN HOUSEHOLDDINCOME PER

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CAPITA INCOME IN TERMS OF THE

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REST OF THE NATION, WE ARE

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BEHIND.

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AND UNTIL THOSE KINDS OF

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TRENDS TURN, HOW DEMOCRATS

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FEEL TTAT WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS

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ROLL UP OUR SLEEVEE AND LOOK

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IN THE EXISTIIG BUDGET AND THE

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SURPLUU, THE MONEY WE'VE

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ALREADY COLLECTED FROM

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TAXPAYERS TO FUND OUR

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INFRASTRUCTURE.

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THEN MAYBE WE MMVE ON AND TALK

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ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER, YOU

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SOME OF THE REALLY LONG-TERM,

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LONG-LOOKING THINGS.

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BUT BEFORE WE'VE, YOU KNOW,

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-ACHECK THE COUCH CUSHIONS AND

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REALLY SHAKEN THE TREESSAND

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MADE SURE WE'VE EXHAUSTED

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EVERY OTHER OPTION WE FEEL NNW

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IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME TO RAISE

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TAXES.

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WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT

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AAXES, BELIEVE  E, THIS IS AN

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IMPORTANT PART OF THE

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DISCUSSION BUT I GUESS, MAYOR,

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YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES ACROSS

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THE STATE PROBABLY WERE ALSO

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TROUBLED INITIALLY BY THE

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NOTION THAT INITIAL

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LEGISLATION THAT WAS PUT FORTH

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BY THE GOVERNOR DEALT ONLY

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WITH STATE-CONTROLLED ROADWAYS

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NOT THOSE CONTROLLED BY

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COUNTIES OR MUNICIPALITIES AND

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THAT'S THE VAST MAJORITY OF

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ROADWAYS  N THE STATE, IS IT

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NOT?

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THE GOVERNOR SUPPORTED

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HERSHMAN'S BILL,,$30 BACK TO

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LOCAL SO I THINK THERE IS SOME

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RECOGNITION BY THH GOVERNOR

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AND THE SENATE THAT THERE IS A

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NEED TO GET MONNY BACK TO THE

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LOCALS TO WORK ON THIS ISSUE.

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FOCUSING ON THE STATE WOULD

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HAVE BEEN A NONSTARTER.

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IT WOULD HAVE BEEN

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DIFFICULT FOR US.

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THERE ARE CHALLENGES AT THE

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LOCAL LEVEL THAT ENEED TO DEAL

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WITH AND THAT $430 MILLION IS

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A SIGNIFICANT ONE-TIME TO GIVE

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BACK TO THE LOCALS IN TERMS OF

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THE LOCAL INCOME TAXES.

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I THINK THERE'S A RECOONITION

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BY THE GOVERNOR THERE'S A NEED

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AT THE LOCAL LEVEL AS WELL, IT

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JUST WASN'T II THE INITIAL

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CONCEPT OF THE BILL.

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THAT'S GIVEN BBCK THE LOCAL

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INCOME TAXES TAXES THAT THE

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STATE IS HOLDING FROM THE

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LOCALS.

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IT ISN'T A HARD SELL.

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WHEN WE TALK TO HOOSIERS AND

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WE'VE  ADE TENSE OF THOUSANDS

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OF PHONE CALLS, I THINK IT'S A

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HARD SELLLTO TELL HOOSIERS

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AHAT WE HAVE $2 BILLION IN

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RESERVE, THAT OUR REVENUE

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INCREASED BY $750 MILLION LAST

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FISCAL YEAR ALONE, 600 MILLION

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OF THAT WAS IN INDIVIDUAL

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INCOME TAXES AND SALES TAX

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REVENUE,  O THEN ASK THEM TO

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PAY MORE.

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I THINK IT'S A HARD SELL.

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SO THEY HAVE THEIR WORK CUT

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OUT FOR THEM AS FAR AS SELLING

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THAT TO THE PUBLIC AND WE'RE

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GOING TO KEEP IN EFFECT PEOPLE

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OF OUR VIEW ON IT.

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SELL JUSTIN STEVENS ON IT

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AND SOLIDAY ON IT.

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I TRY NOT TO WORRY ABOUT

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HIM TOO MUCH.

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C'MON.

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WE ---THIS IS NOT NEW TO

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US.

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FIVE YEARS.WORKING ON IT FOR

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WE HAVE A NUMBER OF POLLS.

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I'VE NEVER SEEN IT LIKE THIS.

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ACROSS AMERICA THERE'S

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65% OF AMERICANS AND ABOUT THE

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SAME AMOUNT OF HOOSIERS SAY

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SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE.

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UP UNTIL THE LAST YEAR AND A

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HALF, ONNY 30% WERE WILLING TO

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PAY FOR IT IN ANY WAY.

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TODAY WELL OVER 50% OF

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HOOSIERS AND AT LEAST THREE

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POLLS HAVE SAID WE ARE WILLING

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TO PAY MORE.

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WHAA'S THE DIIFERENCE, CANN%

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YOU PINPOINT ONEETHING?

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SURE.

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PARTICULARLY IN YOUR AREA --

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WELL, EXACTLY..%

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BUT ON THE DAY I SPOKE AT A

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CONFERENCE,,WE HAD ANOTHHR

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BRIDGE IN SOUTHERN INDIANA

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HAVE PROBLEMS.

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PEOPLE ARE -- CHIP AND SEALING

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A LOT OF ROADS INSTEAD OF

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PAVING THEM SO WE'RE SEEING

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WINDSHIELDS BROKEN.

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RIGHT NOW TODAY HOOSIERS SPEND

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ABOUT $366 PER YEAR  N

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MAANTAIIIIG THEIR VEHHCLES

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FROM DAAAGG FROM ROADS.

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SO THEY'RE FEELING IT.

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SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT EVERY

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PLACE I HAVE SPOKEN -- AND

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I'VE SPOKEN A LOT OF PLACES --

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WHEN I SAY HOW MANY OF YOU ARE

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WILLING TO PAY A NICKEL MORE

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GALLON, THAT'S $25 PER YEAR, PE-

526
00:15:22,210 --> 00:15:25,210
IT'S ABOUT 5% THAT SAY NO.

527
00:15:25,210 --> 00:15:27,000
WELL, YOU SPECULATED

528
00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,210
UPFRONT YOU CAN'' CONVINCE

529
00:15:28,210 --> 00:15:31,150
JUSTIN SSEVENS TO CHANGE HIS

530
00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,120
HOW ABOUT YOURS, JUSTIN

531
00:15:38,170 --> 00:15:41,170
FORESTALLDOES THAT RING TRUE?

532
00:15:41,170 --> 00:15:43,100
SOLIDAY HAS WORKED ON A

533
00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:45,150
BILL THAT HAVE A LOT OF GOOD

534
00:15:45,150 --> 00:15:46,180
PROVISIONS BUT --

535
00:15:46,180 --> 00:15:49,160
YEAH.NEW THAT WAS COMING.%-

536
00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,020
HE DID A NNCE JOB OF REALLY

537
00:15:51,020 --> 00:15:52,140
TRYING TO SELL IT BUT, YOU

538
00:15:52,140 --> 00:15:53,280
KNOW, LOOK, THE CORPORATE

539
00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,120
INCOME TAX IS SET TO DECLLNE

540
00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,250
ALMOST TO HALF OF WHAT IT IS

541
00:15:56,250 --> 00:15:58,000
RIGHT NOW OVER THE NEXT COUPLE

542
00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,120
OF YEARS.

543
00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,230
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK -- I

544
00:16:01,050 --> 00:16:04,050
AGREE WITH JUSTIN IT IS RARE,

545
00:16:04,050 --> 00:16:05,260
I WOULD HAVE TO POINT OUT THAT

546
00:16:05,260 --> 00:16:07,100
AMERICANS FOR PROSPERITY AND

547
00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:09,080
DEMOCRATS AGREE THAT IT'S

548
00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:09,170
NICE.

549
00:16:09,170 --> 00:16:12,100
TRYING TO GET US TO AGREE.

550
00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:13,220
THERE ARE SOMEEKOCH

551
00:16:13,220 --> 00:16:15,040
BROTHERS FUNDING IN YOUR

552
00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:15,160
CAMPAIGN.

553
00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,160
YEAH, AND IT'S NICE TO

554
00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,070
AGREE  N SOME OO THESE PIECES.

555
00:16:19,070 --> 00:16:21,190
BUT FOR AS LONG AS THE

556
00:16:21,190 --> 00:16:23,000
CORPORATE INCOME TAX IS SET TO

557
00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,120
GG TO ALMOST HALF OF WHAT IT

558
00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:25,220
IS RIGHT NOW IT'S GOING TO BE

559
00:16:25,220 --> 00:16:27,080
VERY HARD TO GO BACK AND TELL

560
00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,110
AY CONSTITUENTS, BUT WE WANT

561
00:16:28,110 --> 00:16:30,030
TO RAISE YOUR TAXES.

562
00:16:30,030 --> 00:16:30,280
YOU KNOW, CORPORATIONS HAVE

563
00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,270
HAD IT VERY, VERY WELL FOR A

564
00:16:32,270 --> 00:16:34,220
VERY LONG TIME AND I LIKE

565
00:16:36,100 --> 00:16:39,100
HAVING LOW TAXES FOR EVERYONE,

566
00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:40,130
BUT, YYU KNOW, HAVING

567
00:16:40,130 --> 00:16:41,280
CORPORATIONS' TAXES GO DOWN

568
00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,100
WHILE HOOSIERS GO UP IT'S JUST

569
00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:44,250
A NONSTARTTR FOR US.

570
00:16:44,250 --> 00:16:46,130
THERE ARE  ARIOUS

571
00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:51,100
MECHANISMS THATTWOULD

572
00:16:51,100 --> 00:16:54,010
INCREASE, SOLIDAY, INCREASE ON

573
00:16:54,010 --> 00:16:56,090
GAS TAX, OFFSET DECLINE ON

574
00:16:56,090 --> 00:16:58,070
MEDDCAID SPENDING, DOLLAR TAX

575
00:16:58,070 --> 00:16:59,150
ON CIGARETTES.

576
00:17:02,260 --> 00:17:05,260
BUT THERE'S MORE LATITUDE FOR

577
00:17:05,260 --> 00:17:06,120
MUNICIPALITIES.

578
00:17:06,120 --> 00:17:06,230
GOOD IDEA??%

579
00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:08,080
IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO GGVE US

580
00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,240
TOOLS TO MAKE A DECISION  T

581
00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,000
THE LOCAL LEVEL WHETHER OR NOO

582
00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,220
WE WANT TO INCREASE RESOURCES

583
00:17:13,220 --> 00:17:15,150
AND WHHEHER OR NOT WE WANT TO

584
00:17:15,150 --> 00:17:17,240
SAD THAT FEE OR TAX AT A LOCAL

585
00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:18,050
LEVELS.

586
00:17:18,050 --> 00:17:19,180
IT'S IMPEEATIVE FOR THE

587
00:17:19,180 --> 00:17:20,270
LONG-TERMMVIABILITY OF OUR

588
00:17:23,090 --> 00:17:26,090
APPLAUD IT FOR SOLIDAY TO GET

589
00:17:26,090 --> 00:17:27,040
THAT DONE.

590
00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,070
DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE THE

591
00:17:28,070 --> 00:17:29,210
STOMACH TO HAVE IT.

592
00:17:29,210 --> 00:17:31,180
-ATHEE'RE CLOSEST TO THE

593
00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:32,220
CCTIZENRY AND TAXPAYERS AND

594
00:17:32,220 --> 00:17:33,040
VOTERS.

595
00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,160
DEPENNS WHICH CITY YOU'RE

596
00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:35,070
TALKING ABOUT AAD THE

597
00:17:35,070 --> 00:17:36,010
SITUATION THEY'RE IN.

598
00:17:36,010 --> 00:17:37,220
THERE'S A VALUE PROPOSITION

599
00:17:37,220 --> 00:17:38,120
CONVERSATION WITH THE

600
00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:39,230
RESIDENTS HERE.

601
00:17:39,230 --> 00:17:41,190
YOU CAN DDMONSTRATE  HE VALUE

602
00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:43,030
WHAT THEIR TAX DOLLARS ARR

603
00:17:43,030 --> 00:17:45,090
GOING TO TO IMPROVE THEIR

604
00:17:45,090 --> 00:17:46,070
INFRASTRUCTURE I THINK A LOT

605
00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:47,280
OF RATIONAL HOOSIERS WOULL

606
00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,280
LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, YOU KNOW

607
00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,130
WHAT, I'M WILLING TO PAY MORE.

608
00:17:52,130 --> 00:17:55,070
JUSTEN DOES IT MATTER TO

609
00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,280
-AYOU WHETHHR IT'S LEVIED AT THE

610
00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,030
STATE LEVEL?

611
00:18:01,030 --> 00:18:03,090
THE KEY HERE IT'S A LITTLE

612
00:18:03,090 --> 00:18:04,210
BIT MISLEADING WHEN WE SAY

613
00:18:04,210 --> 00:18:06,260
JUST A NICKEL MORE PER GALLON

614
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,000
BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO TO A CITY

615
00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,120
LIKE JJFFERSONVILLE, WHERE

616
00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:12,270
THEY DON'T HAVE A WHEEL TAX.

617
00:18:12,270 --> 00:18:14,090
IF YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE AND A

618
00:18:14,090 --> 00:18:16,060
FAMILY WHERE THEY BOTH DRIVE A

619
00:18:16,060 --> 00:18:18,260
CAR, DRRVE TO WORK, IT COULD

620
00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:23,230
BE A 250, $300 INCREASE, NOT

621
00:18:23,230 --> 00:18:26,140
COUNTING IF THEY SMOKE

622
00:18:26,140 --> 00:18:28,020
INCLUDES THE INCOME TAX,

623
00:18:28,020 --> 00:18:29,290
DOUBLE WHEEL TAX, CITY

624
00:18:29,290 --> 00:18:30,240
IMPLEMENTS ANOTTER WHEEL TAX

625
00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,020
ON TOP OF THAT AND THEN

626
00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,080
THEY'RE PAYING AN EXTRA $25

627
00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,290
APIECE A YEAR FOR THEIR GAS,

628
00:18:36,290 --> 00:18:39,260
II'S NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT

629
00:18:39,260 --> 00:18:41,110
AMOUNT, ESPECIALLYYFOR --

630
00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:42,220
HOW DOES ONE FUND -- IF

631
00:18:42,220 --> 00:18:44,170
IT'S A BILLION A YEAR THAT'SS%

632
00:18:44,260 --> 00:18:47,260
NEEDED OR 300 ADDITIONAL, 1.5,

633
00:18:47,260 --> 00:18:50,240
I'VE SEEN LOTS OF NUMBERS, HOW

634
00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,260
DOES THAT GGT DONE?

635
00:18:51,260 --> 00:18:52,250
T'S ABOUT PRIORITIES.

636
00:18:52,250 --> 00:18:53,290
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING

637
00:18:53,290 --> 00:18:55,030
ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME.

638
00:18:55,030 --> 00:18:56,140
WE'VE BEEN SPENDING

639
00:18:56,140 --> 00:18:58,110
TRANSPORTATION MONEY FOR

640
00:18:58,110 --> 00:18:59,090
GENERAL FUNDS PROJECTS.

641
00:18:59,090 --> 00:19:02,020
THIS PAST YEAR IT WOULD HAVE

642
00:19:02,020 --> 00:19:02,270
BEEN $350 MILLION A YEAR THAT

643
00:19:02,270 --> 00:19:05,080
WAS DERIVED FROM SALES TAX ON

644
00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,160
GASOLINE THAT COULD HAVE BBEN

645
00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,130
SPENT ON TRANSPORTATION.

646
00:19:07,130 --> 00:19:08,130
BUT IT HASN'' BEEN.

647
00:19:08,130 --> 00:19:10,210
AND I WILL GIVE, YOU KNOW,

648
00:19:10,210 --> 00:19:12,040
YESTERDAY REPRESENTATIVE BROWN

649
00:19:12,220 --> 00:19:15,220
POINTED OUT THAA REPUBLICANS

650
00:19:16,250 --> 00:19:19,250
ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE BACK

651
00:19:19,250 --> 00:19:21,010
IN THE BILL HE WAS TALKING

652
00:19:21,010 --> 00:19:23,140
ABOUT EARLIER AND CEETAIILY IT

653
00:19:23,140 --> 00:19:24,280
IS A CREDIT TO THAT.

654
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,220
SO THAT'S ENOUGH.

655
00:19:25,220 --> 00:19:27,040
ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO

656
00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,270
MEANNTHIS WITHHALL DUEY DO, I

657
00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:31,010
RESPECT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN

658
00:19:31,010 --> 00:19:33,220
FISHERS PEOPLE MMY BE A LITTLE

659
00:19:33,220 --> 00:19:35,070
MORE ABLE TO FIND THE EXTRA

660
00:19:35,070 --> 00:19:36,150
INCOME TO -- OR THE EXTRA

661
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:39,000
MONEY TO FUND THIS TAX, ANN IN

662
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,120
MY DISTRICT WE HAVE SOMEE%

663
00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:41,280
REALLY, REALLY HARD-HIT AREE,

664
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,180
THERE ARE SOME VERY, VERY POOR

665
00:19:43,180 --> 00:19:44,260
AREAS IN MY DISTRICT WHERE,

666
00:19:44,260 --> 00:19:47,030
YOU KNOW, IT COULD HAVE A MUCH

667
00:19:47,030 --> 00:19:50,030
LARGER IMPACT THAN FISHERS

668
00:19:50,030 --> 00:19:50,120
OR --

669
00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:52,010
IS THAT AN ISSUE, EVEN WITH

670
00:19:52,010 --> 00:19:54,030
THE HERSHMAN BILLER SOME WOULD

671
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,280
SAY A DISPROPORTION MAT IMPACT

672
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,130
TO BETTER HEELED COMMUNITIES.

673
00:19:59,130 --> 00:20:01,010
AGAIN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT

674
00:20:01,010 --> 00:20:02,070
IT'S DEPENDENT UPON EACH CITY

675
00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:04,060
I THINK THERE'S A LOCAL

676
00:20:04,060 --> 00:20:05,000
DEMOCRATIC PROCESS THAT'S

677
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,020
THESE TOOLS WHERE RESIDENTS

678
00:20:07,020 --> 00:20:07,270
WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTTNITY TO

679
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:09,040
WEIGH IN AS TO WHETHER THEY

680
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,070
THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR

681
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:11,220
THEIR COMMUNITY OR NOT SO I

682
00:20:11,220 --> 00:20:12,190
THINK EACH COMMUNITT'S GOING

683
00:20:12,190 --> 00:20:13,220
TO HAVE TO WEIGH THAT DECISSOO

684
00:20:13,220 --> 00:20:15,160
AND WHETHER II'S IN THE BEST

685
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,070
INTEREST FOR TTE RESIDENTS.

686
00:20:17,070 --> 00:20:18,100
WHETHER IT'S FISHERS OR SOME

687
00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:19,130
OTHER COMMUNITY I THINK IT'S

688
00:20:19,130 --> 00:20:20,220
GOING TO BE UP TO THE

689
00:20:20,220 --> 00:20:21,210
RESIDENTT ULTIMAAELY WHEN WEE%

690
00:20:21,210 --> 00:20:23,010
TALK ABOUT THE LOCAL TOOLSS%

691
00:20:23,010 --> 00:20:24,090
THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS

692
00:20:24,090 --> 00:20:24,180
BILL.

693
00:20:24,180 --> 00:20:25,200
Ap I THINK, FIRST OF ALL, WE

694
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,100
NEED TO GET SOME FUNKY MATH

695
00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:29,180
AUT OF HERE BECAUSE WE'VE

696
00:20:29,180 --> 00:20:31,040
TRIED TO BE DATA-DRIVEE.

697
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,240
AOR SOMEBODY TO PAY THE KIND

698
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,250
OF MONEY JUSTIN'S TALKING

699
00:20:34,250 --> 00:20:37,000
ABOUT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE

700
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000
DRIVING THEIR VEHICLE

701
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:39,200
60,000 MILES A YEAR.

702
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,240
THE AVERAGE HOOSIER DRRVES

703
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,230
ABOUT 11,988 MILES, SSMMTHING

704
00:20:43,230 --> 00:20:45,090
LIKE THAT, PER CAR.

705
00:20:45,090 --> 00:20:47,270
SO WHEN YOU WORK THAT OUT, HE

706
00:20:48,090 --> 00:20:51,090
PAYS -- IF YOU LOOK AT AVERAGE

707
00:20:51,090 --> 00:20:52,190
MILEAGE -- MILES PERRGALLON,

708
00:20:52,190 --> 00:20:55,040
YOU'RE LOOKING AT AAOUT $108

709
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,100
PER VEHICLE PER YEAR THAT

710
00:20:57,100 --> 00:20:59,280
PEOPLE ARE PAYING.

711
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,240
THAT'S $108.

712
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,070
-AWHAT'S YOUR CELL PHONE BILL?

713
00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:04,090
AOW, FOR THAT, FOR THE AVERAGE

714
00:21:04,090 --> 00:21:06,060
HOOSIER, TO GO TO $250, I NEED

715
00:21:06,060 --> 00:21:08,160
TO SEE THE MATH.

716
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,130
p> NO, NO, NO, NO THAT'S NOT

717
00:21:09,130 --> 00:21:11,060
BASED ON THE GAS TAX ALONE.

718
00:21:11,060 --> 00:21:13,060
I'M SAYING IF A WHEEL TAX WERE

719
00:21:13,260 --> 00:21:16,260
IMPLEMENTED IN THESE

720
00:21:16,260 --> 00:21:17,120
COMMUNITIES --

721
00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:18,090
YEAH, SO YOU GGT A WHEEL

722
00:21:18,090 --> 00:21:20,250
TAX OF $50 FROM THE CITY, $50

723
00:21:20,250 --> 00:21:22,120
FROM  HE COUNTY, THAT'S $100,

724
00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:23,290
IF YOU HAVE TWO CARS, THAT'S

725
00:21:23,290 --> 00:21:25,060
$200 AND THEN YOU'RE PAYING

726
00:21:25,060 --> 00:21:27,210
THE ADDITIONAL $50 A YEAR IN

727
00:21:27,210 --> 00:21:28,210
GAS TAXES IF YOU'RE BOTH

728
00:21:28,210 --> 00:21:29,210
DRIVING SO THAT'S WHERE THE

729
00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:30,080
MATH COMES IN.

730
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,210
AND THE PEOPLE GET TO

731
00:21:31,210 --> 00:21:32,140
DECIDE THAT.

732
00:21:32,180 --> 00:21:35,180
AND THE TRUE -- THE ISSUE HERE

733
00:21:35,180 --> 00:21:36,260
IS -- FISHERS IS UNIQUE.

734
00:21:36,260 --> 00:21:39,230
II'S A FAIRLY NEW CITY.

735
00:21:40,020 --> 00:21:43,020
ASPHALT LASTS ABOUT 15 TO 20

736
00:21:43,020 --> 00:21:43,120
YEARS.

737
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:44,220
CONCRETE LASTS ABOUT 30 YEARS.

738
00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:46,080
AND THAT MEANS REEUILD IT AAL

739
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,270
THE WAY TO THE  LAY.

740
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:49,260
WE HAVE CITIES -- BRIDGES LAST

741
00:21:49,260 --> 00:21:50,250
ABOUT 50 YEARS.

742
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,080
WE HAVE BRIDGES THAT ARE ON

743
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,160
188-YEAR REBUILD CYCLE.

744
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:59,230
WE HAVE CITIES THAT ARE ON 70

745
00:21:59,230 --> 00:22:02,000
AND 80-YEAR REPAVE CYCLES.

746
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,100
NOW, THE PROBLEM WITH THE

747
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,240
ONE-YEAR, ONE POO.T'S%-

748
00:22:07,140 --> 00:22:10,140
OUR CITIES NEED ABOUT

749
00:22:10,140 --> 00:22:12,010
$470 MILLION A YEAR

750
00:22:12,010 --> 00:22:14,010
INCREMENTAL JUST TO STOP THE

751
00:22:14,010 --> 00:22:14,120
DECLINE.

752
00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:15,070
OF COURSE, THE ONE-YEAR POP

753
00:22:15,070 --> 00:22:17,130
IS GOOD WHEN IT'S AN ELECTION

754
00:22:17,130 --> 00:22:18,280
YEAR AND WHAT ROLE DOES THAT

755
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,040
PLAY, THE FACT THAT IN

756
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:20,290
NOVEMBER MANY OO YOUR

757
00:22:20,290 --> 00:22:23,010
COLLEAGUES WWLL BE GOING --

758
00:22:23,010 --> 00:22:24,160
STANDING FORRREELECTION?

759
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,220
I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, AT SOME

760
00:22:25,220 --> 00:22:27,040
LEVEE IT MAKES IT MMRE

761
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,100
DIFFICULT BUT I THINK MOST --

762
00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:31,250
MOSTLY PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW,

763
00:22:32,060 --> 00:22:35,060
HAVE SOME KIND OF TECHNICAL,EY%-

764
00:22:35,060 --> 00:22:36,010
YOU KNOW, ISSUE WITH THE BIIL,

765
00:22:36,010 --> 00:22:37,210
SOME KIND OF FUNDING MECHANISM

766
00:22:37,210 --> 00:22:38,250
PORTION OF IT.

767
00:22:38,250 --> 00:22:40,120
I DON'T THINK IT'S ALL

768
00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:41,120
ELECTION-RELATED, IT REALLY

769
00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:42,120
COMES DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE

770
00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:45,030
NECESSARY TO LOOK FOR THEORK

771
00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:46,050
MONEY IN THE EXISTING REVENUE

772
00:22:46,050 --> 00:22:47,090
WE HAVE AND HOUSE DEMOCRATS

773
00:22:47,090 --> 00:22:49,060
JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE.

774
00:22:49,060 --> 00:22:51,000
WE TALK ABOUT THE T WORD,

775
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,030
TAXXS, THE BILL TALKS ABOUT

776
00:22:53,030 --> 00:22:53,230
STUDYING TOLLS.

777
00:22:53,230 --> 00:22:55,120
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO YOUR

778
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:55,270
ORGANIZATION?

779
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:56,220
I THINK WE CAN STUDY THAT

780
00:22:56,220 --> 00:22:57,100
FOR THE LONG-TERM.

781
00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:59,030
WE'REEOPEN TOOTHE STUDY FOR

782
00:22:59,030 --> 00:22:59,120
SURE.

783
00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:00,290
SO THAT'S BETTER THAN

784
00:23:00,290 --> 00:23:02,030
TAXES, IN YOUR MIND?

785
00:23:02,030 --> 00:23:03,120
WELL, I THINK THAT'S A

786
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:04,200
LONG-TERM DISCUSSION.

787
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,100
IF WE'RE DECIDING BETWEEN

788
00:23:06,100 --> 00:23:08,200
RAISING TAXXE RIGHT NOW OR A

789
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,190
LOOG-TERM SOLUTION FOR

790
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:11,120
TRANSPORTATION FUNDING 20, 30

791
00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:13,020
YEARS DOWW THE ROAD, THAT

792
00:23:13,020 --> 00:23:15,070
MIGHT BE SOMETHIIG WE HAVE TO

793
00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:18,100
DISCCSS.

794
00:23:18,100 --> 00:23:19,270
TO TOLLS, MAYOR.

795
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:21,050
THIS IS COMING FROM A GUU

796
00:23:21,050 --> 00:23:22,260
THAT  ROVE UP 65 TTIS MORNING

797
00:23:22,260 --> 00:23:24,100
THAT WOULL HAVE HAD TO PAY $16

798
00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:25,160
TO GET HERE SO --

799
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,130
I APPPECIATE YOUR COMING

800
00:23:28,130 --> 00:23:29,180
AND APPRECIATE EVERYBODY ELSE

801
00:23:31,020 --> 00:23:34,020
COMING HERE FOR THIS

802
00:23:34,020 --> 00:23:34,150
DISCUSSIONN

803
00:23:34,150 --> 00:23:35,080
AGAIN, MY GUESTS HAVE BEEN

804
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:35,270
REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE ED

805
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:36,140
SOOIDAY OF VALPARAISO.

806
00:23:36,140 --> 00:23:37,060
DEMOCRATIC REPRESENNATIVE DAN

807
00:23:37,060 --> 00:23:37,260
FORESTAL OF INDIANAPOLIS.

808
00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:38,180
FISHERR MAYOR SCOTT FADNESS OF

809
00:23:38,180 --> 00:23:39,080
THE INDIANA ASSOCIATION OF

810
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:39,230
CITIES AND TOWNS.

811
00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:40,100
AND JUSTIN STEVENS OF

812
00:23:40,180 --> 00:23:43,180
-AAMERICANS FOR PROSPERITY.

813
00:23:43,180 --> 00:23:45,250
WE'RE TALKING FANTASY

814
00:23:45,250 --> 00:23:46,130
SPORTS IN INDIANA.

815
00:23:46,130 --> 00:23:47,070
SO IF YOU'RE A DRAFT KING OR A

816
00:23:47,070 --> 00:23:48,050
FAN DUELER, I BET YOO'LL

817
00:23:48,050 --> 00:23:49,090
DOUBLE DOWN ON THE NEXT

818
00:23:49,090 --> 00:23:51,100
"IIDIANA LAWMAKERS."

819
00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:52,020
TIME NOW FOR OUR WEEKLY

820
00:23:52,020 --> 00:23:53,090
CONVERSATION WITH ED

821
00:23:53,090 --> 00:23:54,020
FEIGENBAUM, PUBLISHER OF THE

822
00:23:54,020 --> 00:23:54,190
NEWSLETTER INDIANA

823
00:23:54,190 --> 00:23:57,000
"LEGISLATIVE INSIGGT."

824
00:23:57,150 --> 00:24:00,170
SPOTS ON ONE SIDE, WE'VE GOT

825
00:24:00,170 --> 00:24:01,170
DIRECT MAIL PIECES ON THE

826
00:24:01,170 --> 00:24:03,200
OTHER SIDEE THIS II GETTING

827
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,170
ABSOLUTELY.

828
00:24:04,170 --> 00:24:06,260
IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY REAL

829
00:24:06,260 --> 00:24:07,050
QUICKLY.

830
00:24:07,050 --> 00:24:09,050
AS MUCH AS WE MIGHT THINK THAT

831
00:24:09,050 --> 00:24:10,280
EVERYTHING WILL BE DECIDED

832
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,050
QUICKLY IT'S NOT GOING TO BE

833
00:24:12,050 --> 00:24:14,110
DECIDED IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS,

834
00:24:14,110 --> 00:24:16,100
IT'S NOT EVEN ALL GOING TO BE

835
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:17,040
DECIDED THIS SESSION.

836
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,110
I THINK NEXT YEAR YOU'RE GOING

837
00:24:18,110 --> 00:24:20,100
TO SEE A LOT MORE ATTENNION TO

838
00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:21,180
THIS REGARDLESS WHAT WE DO

839
00:24:21,180 --> 00:24:23,040
THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE GOING

840
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,100
TO LOOK FOR A SHORT-TERMMFIX

841
00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:26,110
WHICH COULD INCLUDE TAXES THIS

842
00:24:26,110 --> 00:24:29,080
YEAR BUT NEXT YEAR WILL BE THE

843
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,130
REAL KEY AS WE DO WHAT ED

844
00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:33,100
AOOIDAY WANTS TO DO, TAKE THAT

845
00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:34,100
LONG-TERM VIEW DOWN THE ROAD.

846
00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:35,150
WHAT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING

847
00:24:35,150 --> 00:24:36,210
OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS,

848
00:24:36,210 --> 00:24:39,070
THOUGH, IS THE FACT THAT THE

849
00:24:39,070 --> 00:24:41,010
AILING ATLANTA CLLSES SOON FOR

850
00:24:41,010 --> 00:24:42,040
CANDIDACY SO THESE

851
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,050
LEGISLATOOSS PARTICULARLY

852
00:24:43,050 --> 00:24:45,150
REPPBLICANS WHO FEAR BEING

853
00:24:45,150 --> 00:24:47,010
PRIMARIED, ARE GOING TO SEE

854
00:24:47,010 --> 00:24:48,210
WHO THEIR OPPONENTS ARE BEFORE

855
00:24:48,210 --> 00:24:50,120
THEY HAVEETO VOTE EFFFCTIVELY

856
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:51,240
ON A TAA INCREESE TOWARD THE

857
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,000
END OF THE SESSION SO THAT'S

858
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,190
GOIIG TO HELP DRIVE THIS

859
00:24:54,190 --> 00:24:55,000
DEBATE.

860
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,180
BUT YOU THINK THE TAX

861
00:24:56,180 --> 00:24:58,150
QUESTION COULD SURVIVE EVEN

862
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,180
ABSOLUTELY AND WHAT YOUAR?

863
00:25:01,180 --> 00:25:03,170
WILL SEE IS SOME TYPE OF

864
00:25:03,170 --> 00:25:05,050
INDEXING, THE INDEXING THAT

865
00:25:05,050 --> 00:25:06,050
REPRESENTATIVE SOLIDAY WAS

866
00:25:06,050 --> 00:25:07,080
REFERRING TO, I THINK THAT'S

867
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,170
ALMOST A CERTAINTY.

868
00:25:08,170 --> 00:25:09,230
THERE'S AN ONGOING INCREASE

869
00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:12,140
IN THE TAX RATE, KEEP PACE

870
00:25:12,140 --> 00:25:13,140
WITH INFLATION.

871
00:25:13,260 --> 00:25:16,260
RIGHT, WE BUMP THINGS BACK

872
00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:18,010
TO WHERE THINGS WERE BEFORE

873
00:25:18,010 --> 00:25:19,240
THE RATES WERE CHAAGED.

874
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,110
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE

875
00:25:22,110 --> 00:25:24,220
TODAY VERSUS GAS TAXES VERSUS

876
00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:28,100
WHERE WE WERE BACK THEN IN 21

877
00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:30,020
GOVERNOR O'BANNON IMPOSED THE

878
00:25:30,020 --> 00:25:31,130
TEMPORARY BAN ON THE GASOLINE

879
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:34,010
SALES TAX, GAS AT THE SHELL

880
00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:35,160
STATION AT 16th AND CAPITOL

881
00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:41,100
IN IIDIANAPOLIS WAS $1.84.9

882
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:43,100
GALLON AND TODAY ON MY WAY

883
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,040
INTO THE STUDIO IT WAS DOWN TO

884
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:47,160
$1.74.9.

885
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,240
EVEN THOUGH YOU INDEXED

886
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,240
TODAY'S PRICES AGAINST THEE%

887
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,150
PRICES BACK THEN YOU'D STILLL%

888
00:25:51,150 --> 00:25:52,260
BE AT ABOUT THE SAME PRICE AS

889
00:25:52,260 --> 00:25:54,250
-AYOU WERE BACK 15, 16 YEARS

890
00:25:54,250 --> 00:25:55,130
AGO.

891
00:25:55,130 --> 00:25:56,160
IF A TAAXBILL SHOWS UP ON

892
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,010
THE GOVERNOR'' DESK, DOES THAT

893
00:25:59,010 --> 00:26:00,200
PUT MIKE PENCE IN A TOUGH

894
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,110
SPOT?%-HE SAID IN THE STATE OF E

895
00:26:02,110 --> 00:26:04,260
STATE THE LAST PLACE HE WOULD

896
00:26:04,260 --> 00:26:06,230
LOOK WOULD BE IN THE WALLETS

897
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:08,260
OF POCKETBOOKS OF HOOSIEES.

898
00:26:08,260 --> 00:26:09,200
HE'S BEEN PRETTY

899
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,080
COOPERATIVE IN LETTINGGTHE

900
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,080
LEGISLATURE COMING UP WITH THE

901
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,110
BEST SET OF CONCLUSSONS AND

902
00:26:14,110 --> 00:26:15,170
THE BEST PACKAGES AND I THINK

903
00:26:15,170 --> 00:26:17,080
THAT IF HE GETS WHAT HE WAATS

904
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,100
IN THERE, HE'' BE WILLING TO

905
00:26:20,220 --> 00:26:23,220
AT  EAST ALLOW A TAX INCREASE

906
00:26:23,220 --> 00:26:25,140
IN EITHER CIGARETTES OR THE

907
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:29,230
GASOLINE SALES TAX TO BECOME

908
00:26:29,230 --> 00:26:31,070
LAW EITHER WITH OR WITHOUT HIS

909
00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:31,200
SIGNATURE.

910
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,210
THESE ARE NOT A, B, C, THIS

911
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,200
COULD BE AN AMALGAM BY THE

912
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,160
TIME WE'RE DONE WITH

913
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,000
COOFERENCE.

914
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:39,220
IT  ILL BE A PACCAGE

915
00:26:39,220 --> 00:26:40,210
PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR.

916
00:26:40,210 --> 00:26:42,080
VERY INTERESTING.

917
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,040
ED, THANK YOU, AS ALWAYS FOR

918
00:26:44,140 --> 00:26:47,140
YOUR INSIGHT.

919
00:26:58,020 --> 00:27:01,040
FOR INFORMATION, EETRA

920
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:01,160
STREAMING

921
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,050
YOU CAN ACCESS LIVE

922
00:27:02,050 --> 00:27:02,250
STREAMMNG COVERAGE OF THE

923
00:27:02,250 --> 00:27:03,120
GENERAL ASSEMBLY ON THE

924
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:03,280
INTERNET AS WELL.

925
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,180
AND REMEMBER, YOU CAN GET OUR

926
00:27:04,180 --> 00:27:05,100
SHOW, ON DEEAND, FROM XFINITY

927
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:06,020
AND BRIGHT HOUSE NETWORKS.

928
00:27:06,020 --> 00:27:06,240
>WELL, THAT CONCLUDES

929
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,170
ANOTHER EDITION OF "INDIANA

930
00:27:07,170 --> 00:27:08,000
LAWMAKERS."

931
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:08,220
I'M JON SCHWANTES, AND ON

932
00:27:08,220 --> 00:27:09,180
BEHALF OFFWFYI PUBLIC MEDIA,

933
00:27:09,180 --> 00:27:11,100
INNIANA'S OTHER

934
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:13,120
PUBLIC-BROADCASTING STATIOOS,

935
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:14,160
AND MYYCOLLEAGUES ED

936
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,110
FEIGENBAUM AND CHRISTOPHER

937
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:16,040
AYERS, I THANK YOU FOR JOINING

938
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,030
US, AND IIINVITE YOU TO VISIT

939
00:27:18,030 --> 00:27:19,240
WFYI.ORG FOR MORE ON THE 2016

940
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,280
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