WEBVTT 00:04.270 --> 00:05.438 * * 00:05.438 --> 00:07.007 >>> WELCOME TO THE IDAHO DEBATES, A LOOK AT THE 00:07.007 --> 00:08.808 CANDIDATES ON THE 2014 BALLOT. 00:08.808 --> 00:11.811 THE IDAHO DEBATES IS A COLLABORATIVE PROJECT OF THE 00:11.811 --> 00:13.546 IDAHO PRES WOMEN VOTERS OF IDAHO AND IDAHO 00:13.546 --> 00:15.815 PUBLIC TELEVISION. 00:15.815 --> 00:19.085 THE IDAHO DEBATES ARE MADE POSSIBLE BY BOISE STATE 00:19.085 --> 00:21.821 UNIVERSITY'S SCHOOL OF PUBLIC SERVICE, DEVOTED TO BUILDING 00:21.821 --> 00:24.824 FUTURE CIVIC AND COMMUNITY LEADERS THROUGH 00:24.824 --> 00:29.529 INTERDISCIPLINARY PROBLEM-SOLVING, REAL-WORLD 00:29.529 --> 00:31.031 RESEARCH AND POLICY STUDIES, AND THE HANDS-ON EXPERIENCE YOU CAN 00:31.031 --> 00:34.000 ONLY GET HERE AT THE STATE CAPITOL. 00:34.000 --> 00:36.736 THE IDAHO DEBATES ARE ALSO BROUGHT TO YOU BY CONTRIBUTIONS 00:36.736 --> 00:38.204 TO THE IDAHO PUBLIC TELEVISION ENDOWMENT. 00:38.204 --> 00:43.009 THANK YOU. 00:43.009 --> 00:46.146 >>> HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE IDAHO DEBATES AT THE IDAHO 00:46.146 --> 00:47.113 PUBLIC TELEVISION STUDIOS. 00:47.113 --> 00:49.749 THIS IS THE FIFTH OF SEVEN DEBATES WE'RE HOSTING BEFORE THE 00:49.749 --> 00:51.951 NOVEMBER 4th ELECTION. 00:51.951 --> 00:54.120 TONIGHT, THREE CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR TAKE THE STAGE TO ASK 00:54.120 --> 00:55.288 FOR YOUR VOTE. 00:55.288 --> 00:58.491 THE GOVERNOR OF IDAHO HAS SUPREME EXECUTIVE POWER IN THE 00:58.491 --> 01:02.962 STATE AND IS TASKED WITH ENSURING ALL STATE LAWS ARE 01:02.962 --> 01:03.263 EXECUTED. 01:03.263 --> 01:05.632 THE OFFICE ISSUES EXECUTIVE ORDERS, PROPOSES A BUDGET AND 01:05.632 --> 01:08.335 HAS VETO POWER OVER THE LEGISLATURE. 01:08.335 --> 01:10.970 THE GOVERNOR IS THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF OF IDAHO'S 01:10.970 --> 01:13.173 MILITARY FORCES AND IS PRESIDENT OF THE STATE LAND BOARD. 01:13.173 --> 01:16.443 I WANT TO WELCOME THE CANDIDATES, A.J. BALUKOFF, JOHN 01:16.443 --> 01:19.245 BUJAK, AND GOVERNOR C.L. BUTCH OTTER. 01:19.245 --> 01:23.383 A.J. BALUKOFF IS A BUSINESSMAN AND A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF 01:23.383 --> 01:23.717 TRUSTEES. 01:23.717 --> 01:27.821 HE SERVED ON A NUMBER OF OTHER BOARDS, INCLUDING BOY SCOUTS OF 01:27.821 --> 01:28.088 AMERICA. 01:28.088 --> 01:31.558 HE HAS A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN ACCOUNTING FROM BRIGHAM YOUNG 01:31.558 --> 01:31.891 UNIVERSITY. 01:31.891 --> 01:35.362 JOHN BUJAK IS A FORM OF PROSECUTING ATTORNEY FOR CANYON 01:35.362 --> 01:35.628 COUNTY. 01:35.628 --> 01:39.299 HE HAS PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS A DEPUTY PROSECUTING ATTORNEY, A 01:39.299 --> 01:41.568 DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL AND GENERAL COUNCIL TO THE HUMAN 01:41.568 --> 01:42.035 RIGHTS COMMISSION. 01:42.035 --> 01:46.940 HE ATTENDED COLLEGE OF IDAHO AND GONZAGA UNIVERSITY'S SCHOOL OF 01:46.940 --> 01:47.107 LAW. 01:47.107 --> 01:52.145 GOVERNOR BUTCH OTTER HAS SERVED TWO TERMS AS IDAHO'S ACHIEVE 01:52.145 --> 01:54.748 EXECUTIVE OFFICER. 01:54.748 --> 01:55.849 HE SERVED IN THE LEGISLATURE. 01:55.849 --> 01:58.885 HE HAS A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN POLITICAL SCIENCE FROM COLLEGE 01:58.885 --> 01:59.686 OF IDAHO. 01:59.686 --> 02:02.322 I ALSO WANT TO THANK OUR PANEL OF REPORTERS SELECTED BY THE 02:02.322 --> 02:06.092 IDAHO PRESS CLUB WHO WILL ASK THE CANDIDATES QUESTIONS. 02:06.092 --> 02:11.064 BETSY RUSSELL, KEVIN RICHARD, AND ROCKY BARKER. 02:11.064 --> 02:17.337 I'M MELISSA DAVLIN, COHOST OF IDAHO REPORTS. 02:17.337 --> 02:25.879 I'M MODERATING TONIGHT'S DEBATE EACH CANDIDATE WILL BE GIVEN ONE 02:25.879 --> 02:27.447 MINUTE FOR OPENING COMMENTS. 02:27.447 --> 02:31.184 WE DREW NUMBERS A FEW MINUTES AGO TO SEE WHO WOULD GO FIRST 02:31.184 --> 02:33.520 AND MR. BALUKOFF YOU HAVE THAT HONOR. 02:33.520 --> 02:37.724 >> THIS ELECTION IS A REFERENDUM ON GOVERNOR OTTER'S JOB 02:37.724 --> 02:38.925 PERFORMANCE. 02:38.925 --> 02:42.462 VOTERS MUST DECIDE: HAS GOVERNOR OTTER EARNED THAT RARE 02:42.462 --> 02:43.830 THIRD TERM? 02:43.830 --> 02:46.366 TONIGHT, I WILL TALK ABOUT GOVERNOR OTTER'S CRONYISM AND 02:46.366 --> 02:50.737 HOW FAR BEHIND WE'VE FALLEN IN EDUCATION AND JOB OPPORTUNITIES. 02:50.737 --> 02:54.307 BUT FIRST, I WANT TO TELL YOU WHO I REALLY AM. 02:54.307 --> 02:56.910 I'M A SMALL BUSINESSMAN. 02:56.910 --> 03:05.051 I'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 44 YEARS, FOR 17 YEARS I HAVE 03:05.051 --> 03:08.621 SERVED AS A TRUSTEE ON ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL SCHOOL 03:08.621 --> 03:11.491 DISTRICTS IN THE STATE. 03:11.491 --> 03:15.995 I'VE ALSO FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS SERVED AS A TRUSTEE ON MANY 03:15.995 --> 03:16.796 NONPROFIT BOARDS. 03:16.796 --> 03:23.269 I'VE CREATED GOOD JOBS, STRONG SCHOOLS, AND MANY STABLE 03:23.269 --> 03:23.636 ORGANIZATIONS. 03:23.636 --> 03:28.742 WHEN ENDORSING ME, THE TIMES NEWS WROTE, GOVERNOR OTTER'S 03:28.742 --> 03:32.112 NARRATIVE IS A WORK OF FICTION. 03:32.112 --> 03:35.982 THE BEST CHANCE FOR TURNING THE STATE AROUND IS TO ELECT A 03:35.982 --> 03:38.351 PRAGMATIC LEADER, THAT'S A.J. 03:38.351 --> 03:38.651 BALUKOFF. 03:38.651 --> 03:41.187 >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 03:41.187 --> 03:42.722 MR. BUJAK, YOUR COMMENTS NEXT. 03:42.722 --> 03:45.625 >> I'M JOHN BUJAK, I'M RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR BECAUSE I THINK THE 03:45.625 --> 03:48.528 PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF IDAHO DESERVE SOMETHING OTHER THAN 03:48.528 --> 03:49.896 POLITICS AS USUAL. 03:49.896 --> 03:51.831 I'M SHARING THE STAGE TONIGHT WITH TWO CANDIDATES WHO ARE 03:51.831 --> 03:54.934 GOING TO GIVE YOU THEIR IDEAS THAT WILL RESULT IN LARGER 03:54.934 --> 03:56.469 GOVERNMENT AND MORE SPENDING. 03:56.469 --> 04:00.674 THEY BOTH SUPPORT AND EMBRACE COMMON CORE, THEY EMBRACE 04:00.674 --> 04:03.309 OBAMACARE AND MEDICAID EXPANSION AND THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN 04:03.309 --> 04:07.080 REGAINING CONTROL OF IDAHO'S LANDS FROM THE FEDERAL 04:07.080 --> 04:07.414 GOVERNMENT. 04:07.414 --> 04:11.251 I HAVE PRACTICAL CONSERVATIVE IDEAS ON HOW TO SOLVE THE ISSUES 04:11.251 --> 04:13.720 FACING IDAHO TODAY AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SHARING THEM WITH YOU 04:13.720 --> 04:16.156 DURING THE COURSE OF THIS DEBATE, THANK YOU. 04:16.156 --> 04:17.090 >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 04:17.090 --> 04:19.259 GOVERNOR OTTER, YOUR REMARKS, PLEASE. 04:19.259 --> 04:23.630 >> GOOD EVENING AND LET ME BEGIN BY THANKING NOT ONLY PUBLIC 04:23.630 --> 04:26.966 TELEVISION, BUT ALSO, THE PRESS CLUB AND THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN 04:26.966 --> 04:30.904 VOTERS FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE ISSUES AS TO WHY I 04:30.904 --> 04:34.007 BELIEVE THAT I DESERVE A THIRD TERM AS GOVERNOR. 04:34.007 --> 04:37.243 IF WE LOOK BACK OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS AND THE FACT THAT 04:37.243 --> 04:43.750 IDAHO HAS LED THIS NATION OUT OF A VERY, VERY TOUGH RECESSION, 04:43.750 --> 04:47.253 LED TO THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOW NUMBER ONE IN THE PERSONAL 04:47.253 --> 04:51.925 INCOME GROWTH, NUMBER TWO IN THE BEST PLACE TO START A BUSINESS 04:51.925 --> 04:56.463 AND NUMBER THREE, FOUR, FIVE AND SIX IN THE BEST FINANCIALLY 04:56.463 --> 04:58.965 MANAGED STATES IN THE UNITED STATES. 04:58.965 --> 05:02.235 AND WE DID THAT BY CUTTING BACK ON GOVERNMENT. 05:02.235 --> 05:06.306 WHEN THE RECESSION BEGAN AND OUR REVENUES WENT DOWN, WE HAD TO 05:06.306 --> 05:12.045 CUT BACK ON GOVERNMENT RATHER THAN INCREASE TAXES. 05:12.045 --> 05:15.582 AND SO I BELIEVE THAT IDAHO DESERVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO 05:15.582 --> 05:20.153 CONTINUE TO LEAD THIS NATION OUT OF THIS RECESSION AND CONTINUE 05:20.153 --> 05:24.057 TO LEAD IN THE METHOD THAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS INSTITUTED FOR 05:24.057 --> 05:25.625 OUR GREAT REPUBLIC. 05:25.625 --> 05:25.992 THANK YOU. 05:25.992 --> 05:28.528 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. 05:28.528 --> 05:31.698 THE FIRST QUESTION IS FOR YOU, MR. GOVERNOR. 05:31.698 --> 05:35.001 >> GOVERNOR OTTER, YOU'VE SAID THAT YOUR TOP THREE PRIORITIES 05:35.001 --> 05:40.006 ARE EDUCATION, HIGHER PAID, HIGHER SKILLED WORKERS AND 05:40.006 --> 05:40.507 INFRASTRUCTURE. 05:40.507 --> 05:43.376 ON INFRASTRUCTURE, YOUR ROADS PROPOSAL WENT NOWHERE. 05:43.376 --> 05:48.515 ON EDUCATION, YOUR EDUCATION REFORM PROPOSAL WAS REJECTED BY 05:48.515 --> 05:49.916 THE VOTERS TWO YEARS AGO. 05:49.916 --> 05:54.621 AND ON WAGES, IDAHO'S PER CAPITA INCOME HAS DROPPED FROM 43rd 05:54.621 --> 05:57.924 WHEN YOU WERE ELECTED GOVERNOR TO 50th AMONG THE STATES AHEAD 05:57.924 --> 05:59.859 OF ONLY MISSISSIPPI. 05:59.859 --> 06:02.128 WHAT IS YOUR LEGACY AS GOVERNOR? 06:02.128 --> 06:05.198 WHY SHOULD VOTERS EXPECT ANYTHING FROM THE THIRD OTTER 06:05.198 --> 06:07.600 TERM OTHER THAN MORE OF THE SAME? 06:07.600 --> 06:11.671 >> WELL, FIRST OFF, YOU HAVE CORRECTLY OUTLINED EXACTLY WHAT 06:11.671 --> 06:15.675 MY EFFORTS ARE GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON FOR THE NEXT FOUR 06:15.675 --> 06:16.209 YEARS. 06:16.209 --> 06:20.780 AND I WOULD TELL YOU BETSY, I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW LONG YOU'VE 06:20.780 --> 06:23.683 BEEN REPORTING IN IDAHO, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY COULD 06:23.683 --> 06:27.854 TELL ME THEY HAVE EVER SEEN A FIVE-YEAR PLAN FOR EDUCATION IN 06:27.854 --> 06:32.359 IDAHO AND MOVING EDUCATION FORWARD THAT HAD BIPARTISAN 06:32.359 --> 06:36.229 SUPPORT AND THAT CAME OUT OF THE OTTER ADMINISTRATION JUST TWO 06:36.229 --> 06:36.996 YEARS AGO. 06:36.996 --> 06:41.968 YES, WE HAD SOME SETBACKS, WE HAD SOME SETBACKS ON 06:41.968 --> 06:43.436 INFRASTRUCTURE, AS WELL. 06:43.436 --> 06:50.176 BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE FOLKS IN IDAHO 06:50.176 --> 06:52.712 RECOGNIZE THAT WE DO NEED SOME INFRASTRUCTURE CORRECTION. 06:52.712 --> 06:55.982 WE DO NEED SOME INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT. 06:55.982 --> 07:00.220 THE 5,000 BRIDGES THAT WE GOT, THE 16,000 MILES OF ROADS IN THE 07:00.220 --> 07:04.124 STATE OF IDAHO, IF THEY'RE NOT IN DISREPAIR NOW, THEY WILL BE 07:04.124 --> 07:08.395 IN DISREPAIR AS THE POLLS SAID WITHIN 10 YEARS. 07:08.395 --> 07:11.031 WHETHER IT'S ACCELERATE IDAHO, WHETHER IT'S THE 20 07:11.031 --> 07:15.969 RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE TASK FORCE WHICH HAS 07:15.969 --> 07:22.409 BILATERAL, BIPARTISAN, BICAMERAL SUPPORT, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I 07:22.409 --> 07:26.613 THINK THAT THE LEGACY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IS A WELL EDUCATED 07:26.613 --> 07:28.882 WORKFORCE THAT'S PREPARED TOMORROW THE JOBS THAT THE 07:28.882 --> 07:30.150 WORLD'S GOING TO DEMAND. 07:30.150 --> 07:31.051 >> ALL RIGHT. 07:31.051 --> 07:38.158 THE NEXT QUESTION IS FOR MR. BALUKOFF FROM KEVIN RICHARD. 07:38.158 --> 07:40.994 >> MR. BALUKOFF, YOUR PRIORITIES ARE NOT TERRIBLY DIFFERENT FROM 07:40.994 --> 07:42.429 THE INCUMBENT GOVERNOR'S. 07:42.429 --> 07:45.999 YOU TALK ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THE EDUCATION TASK FORCE 07:45.999 --> 07:50.437 RECOMMENDATIONS, CREATING HIGHER PAYING JOBS, GOVERNMENT 07:50.437 --> 07:50.804 ACCOUNTABILITY. 07:50.804 --> 07:53.173 BUT YOU HAVE NEVER SERVED IN STATEWIDE OFFICE, YOU HAVE NEVER 07:53.173 --> 07:57.811 HELD A PARTISAN OFFICE AND YOU WOULD BE DEALING WITH AN 07:57.811 --> 07:59.546 OVERWHELMINGLY REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE THAT OVER THE PAST 07:59.546 --> 08:03.750 FEW YEARS HASN'T ALWAYS WORKED VERY WELL WITH THE REPUBLICAN 08:03.750 --> 08:04.017 GOVERNOR. 08:04.017 --> 08:08.021 HOW CAN VOTERS EXPECT A DIFFERENT OUTCOME OR A MORE 08:08.021 --> 08:09.389 PRODUCTIVE OUTCOME IF YOU'RE ELECTED? 08:09.389 --> 08:13.326 >> IF YOU FIRST LOOK AT GOVERNOR OTTER'S RECORD WITH AN 08:13.326 --> 08:15.695 OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF HIS OWN PARTY, HE HASN'T ACCOMPLISHED 08:15.695 --> 08:16.296 THAT MUCH. 08:16.296 --> 08:18.865 I'VE BEEN DOWN IN THE LEGISLATURE FOR 17 YEARS 08:18.865 --> 08:21.668 TESTIFYING ON EDUCATION BILLS AND TALKING TO LEGISLATORS ON 08:21.668 --> 08:23.970 EDUCATION ISSUES. 08:23.970 --> 08:26.139 AND I KNOW MANY OF THE LEGISLATORS. 08:26.139 --> 08:28.675 AND WHILE I'VE BEEN TRAVELING AROUND THE STATE, VISITING 08:28.675 --> 08:33.079 PEOPLE, I'VE MADE IT A POINT TO CALL ON CURRENTLY SERVING 08:33.079 --> 08:37.517 LEGISLATORS AND TO INTRODUCE MYSELF, TO MEET THEM AND TO TALK 08:37.517 --> 08:41.154 ABOUT IF I WIN THIS RACE, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. 08:41.154 --> 08:43.690 AND THEY'VE EXPRESSED A WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH ME AND 08:43.690 --> 08:44.991 I WILL WORK WITH THEM. 08:44.991 --> 08:47.994 I'M NOT HERE TO FURTHER A PARTISAN AGENDA. 08:47.994 --> 08:51.598 I'M HERE TO MAKE THE STATE BETTER FOR THE CITIZENS OF IDAHO 08:51.598 --> 08:56.069 AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY A MAJORITY OF OUR LEGISLATORS WANT 08:56.069 --> 08:57.270 TO DO THAT, TOO. 08:57.270 --> 09:00.674 THEY WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE SCHOOLKIDS AND FOR THE 09:00.674 --> 09:03.376 HARD-WORKING PEOPLE OF IDAHO. 09:03.376 --> 09:06.379 >> REALISTICALLY MR. BALUKOFF, DURING THAT DOWNTURN, WHAT WOULD 09:06.379 --> 09:10.650 YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH AND WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE 09:10.650 --> 09:10.950 DIFFERENTLY? 09:10.950 --> 09:15.488 >> FIRST OF ALL, I THINK MAKING TAX CUTS WHEN THE STATE REVENUE 09:15.488 --> 09:21.194 GOES DOWN AND WHEN YOU HAVE -- YOU'RE UNDERFUNDING SCHOOLS AND 09:21.194 --> 09:24.397 YOU HAVE $350 MILLION OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON BRIDGES 09:24.397 --> 09:25.965 WAS A MISTAKE. 09:25.965 --> 09:29.836 I WOULD HAVE USED THAT MONEY TO PUT PEOPLE TO WORK REPAIRING THE 09:29.836 --> 09:34.974 ROADS AND BRIDGES AND MAKING A DENT IN THAT DEFERRED 09:34.974 --> 09:37.310 MAINTENANCE ON ROADS AND BRIDGES. 09:37.310 --> 09:43.583 THAT WOULD HAVE PUT PEOPLE TO WORK AND IT'S PEOPLE SPENDING 09:43.583 --> 09:46.219 MONEY AT BUSINESSES THAT DRIVES THE ECONOMY, IT'S NOT TAX CUTS. 09:46.219 --> 09:50.623 >> THE NEXT QUESTION IS FROM ROCKY BARKER FOR MR. BUJAK. 09:50.623 --> 09:54.260 >> MR. BUJAK, YOU SAID YOU WANT TO AVOID DEPENDENCY ON THE 09:54.260 --> 09:55.995 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND SHRINK ITS SIZE. 09:55.995 --> 09:58.698 POLITICIANS HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT SINCE I STARTED COVERING 09:58.698 --> 10:01.434 IDAHO AND YET HERE WE ARE. 10:01.434 --> 10:03.703 HOW WILL YOU SUCCEED WHERE EVERYONE ELSE HAS FAILED AND 10:03.703 --> 10:07.273 WHAT SERVICES AND PROGRAMS SHOULD PEOPLE EXPECT YOU TO 10:07.273 --> 10:09.175 SHRINK IF YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL? 10:09.175 --> 10:11.544 >> ROCKY THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AND I THINK THE REASON 10:11.544 --> 10:14.914 THAT YOU'VE BEEN SEEING THE SAME THING HAPPEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN 10:14.914 --> 10:18.752 IS BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUT IN THIS BOX IN PART BY THE MEDIA 10:18.752 --> 10:20.387 QUITE FRANKLY, TO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ONLY TWO PARTIES THAT 10:20.387 --> 10:21.654 THEY CAN CHOOSE FROM. 10:21.654 --> 10:24.357 AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE 10:24.357 --> 10:27.260 DEMOCRATIC PARTY, THEY HAVE THE SAME AGENDA WHEN IT COMES TO HOW 10:27.260 --> 10:30.096 THEY'RE GOING TO RUN THE GOVERNMENT AND THEY HAVEN'T DONE 10:30.096 --> 10:32.665 ANYTHING THAT THEY PROMISED TO DO AND YET PEOPLE IN IDAHO 10:32.665 --> 10:34.834 CONTINUE TO ELECT THEM TO OFFICE. 10:34.834 --> 10:38.038 THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS I'M A THIRD-PARTY CANDIDATE. 10:38.038 --> 10:40.774 I'M NOT BEHOLDEN TO REPUBLICANS OR THE DEMOCRATS, THEORY AGENDA 10:40.774 --> 10:42.676 OR ANY SPECIAL INTEREST. 10:42.676 --> 10:46.579 THE KEY TO IDAHO'S FUTURE AND THE KEY TO SHRINKING THE SIZE OF 10:46.579 --> 10:49.649 GOVERNMENT AND MAKING GOVERNMENT MORE EFFICIENT REALLY IS IN 10:49.649 --> 10:52.018 SPURRING OUR ECONOMY, AND I THINK THAT THE WAY YOU DO THAT 10:52.018 --> 10:54.688 HERE IN IDAHO IS DOING TWO THINGS. 10:54.688 --> 10:57.157 ONE, YOU'VE GOT TO GET ACCESS TO OUR LANDS FROM THE FEDERAL 10:57.157 --> 10:57.490 GOVERNMENT. 10:57.490 --> 11:00.493 IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATES THAT ARE LEADING THE WAY OUT OF THE 11:00.493 --> 11:03.530 RECESSION, THEY ARE ENERGY EXPORTERS AND IDAHO COULD TAKE 11:03.530 --> 11:09.736 ADVANTAGE OF THE SAME THING IF IT COULD GET ACCESS TO ITS 11:09.736 --> 11:10.003 LANDS. 11:10.003 --> 11:12.906 WE COULD EVEN TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER SOURCES OF ENERGY LIKE 11:12.906 --> 11:15.875 FOURTH GENERATION NUCLEAR GENERATION WITH THE THORIUM 11:15.875 --> 11:17.544 DEPOSITS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN IDAHO IN ABUNDANCE. 11:17.544 --> 11:20.647 THESE ARE THINGS THAT COULD HELP LEAD US OUT OF THE RECESSION. 11:20.647 --> 11:24.451 THE OTHER THING WE CAN DO IS STOP GIVING SPECIAL INTEREST TAX 11:24.451 --> 11:26.920 EXEMPTIONS TO BIG BUSINESS TO LURE THEM HERE. 11:26.920 --> 11:27.554 THAT DOESN'T WORK. 11:27.554 --> 11:30.623 WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FOCUS ON GROWING THE SMALL BUSINESSES 11:30.623 --> 11:33.293 THAT ARE ALREADY HERE AND YOU DO THAT BY REDUCING TAXES AND 11:33.293 --> 11:37.097 CREATING A TAX STRUCTURE THAT'S FAIR, LOW AND PREDICTABLE. 11:37.097 --> 11:40.734 IF WE CAN GROW SMALL BUSINESS, WE CAN HAVE A GREATER EFFECT 11:40.734 --> 11:44.738 THAN LUGUBRIOUS BIG BUSINESS IN WITH THESE SPECIAL INTEREST TAX 11:44.738 --> 11:45.405 EXEMPTIONS. 11:45.405 --> 11:48.675 >> ROCKY, YOU HAD A FOLLOW-UP? 11:48.675 --> 11:52.112 >> SO MR. BUJAK, YOU'VE BEEN CHARGED WITH MULTIPLE FELONIES, 11:52.112 --> 11:56.750 YOU'VE PLED GUILTY TO FAILURE TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT, WHY SHOULD 11:56.750 --> 11:57.684 VOTERS TRUST YOU? 11:57.684 --> 12:03.256 >> WHEN IT COMES TO MY HISTORY AND I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I'M 12:03.256 --> 12:05.492 SURPRISED THAT I GET THE QUESTIONS ABOUT SCANDAL WITH 12:05.492 --> 12:08.528 GOVERNOR OTTER NEXT TO ME HERE, I WAS CHARGED AND ACCUSED OF 12:08.528 --> 12:11.898 DOING A LOT AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE SYSTEM CAN ACCUSE ANYBODY IN 12:11.898 --> 12:13.333 THIS STATE OF ANYTHING. 12:13.333 --> 12:16.803 AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS THESE CASES WENT BEFORE A JURY AND THE 12:16.803 --> 12:19.005 PEOPLE IN THE FORM OF A JURY. 12:19.005 --> 12:20.273 THEY SAID I WAS NOT GUILTY. 12:20.273 --> 12:22.242 I WAS CLEARED OF ANY WRONGDOING. 12:22.242 --> 12:24.878 AND SO PEOPLE SHOULD RELY ON THOSE JURY VERDICTS, BUT I THINK 12:24.878 --> 12:27.647 THEY SHOULD ALSO TAKE SOMETHING ELSE AWAY. 12:27.647 --> 12:31.818 ONE, I'VE BEEN TREATED POORLY BY A SYSTEM THAT'S BUILT UP OF THE 12:31.818 --> 12:34.754 GOOD OLD BOYS THAT ARE THESE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS SO I'M 12:34.754 --> 12:37.624 NOT ON THE INSIDE AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE BEHOLEN TO THEM. 12:37.624 --> 12:41.661 THE OTHER THING THAT YOU OUGHT TO KNOW IS I'VE TAKEN ON THE 12:41.661 --> 12:44.397 STATE GOVERNMENT AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND I'VE WON. 12:44.397 --> 12:46.933 AND I CAN DO THAT FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF IDAHO IF THEY'LL 12:46.933 --> 12:48.768 PUT ME IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. 12:48.768 --> 12:52.138 >> ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT QUESTION IS FROM BETSY RUSSELL FOR 12:52.138 --> 12:53.273 GOVERNOR OTTER. 12:53.273 --> 12:56.943 >> GOVERNOR OTTER, WHY DID THE STATE OF IDAHO SETTLE WITH 12:56.943 --> 13:01.081 CORRECTIONS CORPORATION OF AMERICA FOR $1 MILLION FOR 13:01.081 --> 13:04.317 UNDERSTAFFING AND OVERBILLING AT THE IDAHO CORRECTIONAL CENTER 13:04.317 --> 13:07.520 WITHOUT FIRST REVIEWING THE RECORDS TO SEE IF THERE WAS MORE 13:07.520 --> 13:13.360 OF THAT GOING IN THE YEARS BEFORE OR AFTER 2012 AND IS $1 13:13.360 --> 13:16.629 MILLION A FAIR SETTLEMENT FOR THAT? 13:16.629 --> 13:19.599 >> IT'S A MATTER OF RECORD THAT THE SETTLEMENT THAT WAS MADE BY 13:19.599 --> 13:23.803 THE BOARD OF CORRECTIONS AND BY THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF 13:23.803 --> 13:28.274 EXECUTING THAT CONTRACT, I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THAT SETTLEMENT. 13:28.274 --> 13:37.017 I PURPOSELY REMOVED MYSELF FROM BE PART OF NEGOTIATIONS IN THAT 13:37.017 --> 13:39.819 SETTLEMENT BECAUSE I HAD RECEIVED CAMPAIGN DONATIONS FROM 13:39.819 --> 13:43.356 THE VERY COMPANY THAT THAT CONTRACT WAS UNDER CONSIDERATION 13:43.356 --> 13:43.623 WITH. 13:43.623 --> 13:45.191 BUT I WOULD TELL YOU WHAT I DID DO. 13:45.191 --> 13:48.661 AS SOON AS WE FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS SOME IRREGULARITIES, 13:48.661 --> 13:49.929 WE DID ORDER AN AUDIT. 13:49.929 --> 13:56.036 WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT THOSE IRREGULARITIES WENT BEYOND THE 13:56.036 --> 14:02.042 PALE AND I WAS REQUESTED BY THE COMPANY IF I WOULD ADVANCE THAT 14:02.042 --> 14:05.078 CONTRACT FOR ANOTHER TERM, I SAID ABSOLUTELY NOT, WE'RE GOING 14:05.078 --> 14:08.214 OUT FOR AN RFP AND WHEN ALL THE OTHER COMPANIES SAID THEY 14:08.214 --> 14:12.218 WEREN'T GOING TO BID ON THE CONTRACT I SAID WELL THEN THE 14:12.218 --> 14:15.321 STATE OF IDAHO IS GOING TO TAKE IT OVER AND WE DID TAKE IT OVER 14:15.321 --> 14:17.424 AND WE ALSO ORDERED THE FBI INVESTIGATION. 14:17.424 --> 14:19.693 >> YOU SAID THAT $1 MILLION WAS NOT THE AMOUNT OF SETTLEMENT? 14:19.693 --> 14:21.795 THAT IS THE AMOUNT THAT WAS RELEASED. 14:21.795 --> 14:24.597 >> NO, THAT WAS NOT THE AMOUNT. 14:24.597 --> 14:26.332 CHECK YOUR FOYA. 14:26.332 --> 14:29.169 YOU ABOVE ALL PEOPLE OUGHT TO KNOW FOR ALL THE VOLUMES OF 14:29.169 --> 14:34.341 REQUESTS THAT YOU'VE MADE TO THE STATE, THAT IT WAS WELL IN 14:34.341 --> 14:36.609 EXCESS OF A MILLION DOLLARS, NOT AS MUCH AS MY OPPONENTS ARE 14:36.609 --> 14:40.914 PUTTING INTO THIS RACE, BUT IT WAS WELL BEYOND THE MILLION 14:40.914 --> 14:41.181 DOLLARS. 14:41.181 --> 14:46.753 IN FACT, THERE WAS A BILL OUTSTANDING FOR OVER $300,000 14:46.753 --> 14:50.256 THAT WAS ALSO PART OF THE FINAL NEGOTIATIONS. 14:50.256 --> 14:53.026 I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THAT UNTIL THE NEGOTIATIONS WERE DONE. 14:53.026 --> 14:58.832 >> SO YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE $300,000 THAT WAS EXCUSED IN 14:58.832 --> 15:01.701 ADDITION TO THE $1 MILLION THAT THE STATE RECEIVED? 15:01.701 --> 15:04.471 >> WHAT WOULD THE SETTLEMENT ME? 15:04.471 --> 15:06.940 >> I GUESS IT DEPENDS -- [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] 15:06.940 --> 15:08.608 >> BETSY, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? 15:08.608 --> 15:09.776 I DO. 15:09.776 --> 15:12.212 >> NO, NO, NO, I THINK LET'S BE FAIR HERE. 15:12.212 --> 15:15.515 IF YOU OWE SOMEBODY $300,000 AND THEY SAID NOT ONLY WILL WE 15:15.515 --> 15:19.686 SETTLE FOR $1 MILLION, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO FORGIVE THE 300 WE 15:19.686 --> 15:22.789 THINK YOU OWE US -- >> GOVERNOR. 15:22.789 --> 15:24.891 >> IS $1.3 MILLION A FAIR SETTLEMENT? 15:24.891 --> 15:27.961 >> I DID NOT KNOW, BUT I'LL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THAT WHEN THE 15:27.961 --> 15:32.165 FBI FINISHES THE INVESTIGATION THAT I DEMANDED OF IT. 15:32.165 --> 15:35.902 >> SO GOVERNOR, YOU SAID THAT YOU RECUSED YOURSELF FROM THE 15:35.902 --> 15:39.072 SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS, BUT THE TOP STAFFERS IN YOUR OFFICE, 15:39.072 --> 15:42.509 YOUR ATTORNEY, YOUR CHIEF OF STAFF, YOUR COMMUNICATIONS 15:42.509 --> 15:46.813 DIRECTOR, WERE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN NEGOTIATING THAT SETTLEMENT. 15:46.813 --> 15:49.015 WHO WERE THEY REPRESENTING WHEN THEY DID THAT? 15:49.015 --> 15:51.651 >> I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THOSE 15:51.651 --> 15:52.018 NEGOTIATIONS. 15:52.018 --> 15:57.724 I DO KNOW THAT THE STATE BOARD OF CORRECTIONS AND THE HEAD OF 15:57.724 --> 16:02.062 PRISONS WERE INVOLVED IN THOSE NEGOTIATIONS. 16:02.062 --> 16:06.499 I WAS GIVEN A REPORT AFTER THE NEGOTIATIONS HAD BEEN ONGOING OF 16:06.499 --> 16:08.401 WHERE THE NEGOTIATIONS WERE GOING. 16:08.401 --> 16:11.504 I DID NOT ISSUE AN OPINION ON THE NEGOTIATIONS. 16:11.504 --> 16:16.676 I DID NOT -- I WAS NOT ASKED NOR DID I SAY THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS 16:16.676 --> 16:18.845 A GOOD DEAL OR A BAD DEAL. 16:18.845 --> 16:24.851 >> AND THE NEXT QUESTION IS FOR MR. BUJAK FROM MR. RICHARDS. 16:24.851 --> 16:27.253 >> CAN I RESPOND TO THAT? 16:27.253 --> 16:27.854 >> BRIEFLY, YES, PLEASE. 16:27.854 --> 16:31.691 >> YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE WAY GOVERNOR OTTER GOVERNS. 16:31.691 --> 16:34.994 HE'S A ABSENT. 16:34.994 --> 16:37.630 HE ABDICATED HIS RESPONSIBILITY AS A GOVERNOR. 16:37.630 --> 16:40.333 IF YOUR FRIENDS OR CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS ARE CHEATING THE 16:40.333 --> 16:44.604 STATE, YOU'RE STILL THE GOVERNOR AND YOU HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY 16:44.604 --> 16:46.873 TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. 16:46.873 --> 16:51.911 AND YOU CAN'T JUST PASS THAT OFF TO SOMEONE THAT YOU HIRED. 16:51.911 --> 16:55.882 THE BUCK STOPS AT THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. 16:55.882 --> 16:57.617 >> KEVIN YOUR QUESTION? 16:57.617 --> 17:00.020 >> THAT DOVE TAILS INTO THE QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK YOU. 17:00.020 --> 17:02.822 YOU'VE RUN A LOT OF ADVERTISEMENTS ON THIS ISSUE. 17:02.822 --> 17:05.959 YOU'VE CALLED IT A SWEETHEART DEAL. 17:05.959 --> 17:07.761 SPECIFICALLY WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY HERE? 17:07.761 --> 17:11.197 >> I WOULD HAVE DONE THE INVESTIGATION BEFORE I DID A 17:11.197 --> 17:11.498 SETTLEMENT. 17:11.498 --> 17:14.934 THE GOVERNMENT JUST ADMITTED HE DOESN'T KNOW IF $1.3 MILLION IS 17:14.934 --> 17:16.302 A FAIR SETTLEMENT OR NOT. 17:16.302 --> 17:20.240 IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PRUDENT TO DO THE INVESTIGATION AND UNDERSTAND 17:20.240 --> 17:26.146 WHAT WENT ON BEFORE YOU LET A COMPANY OFF THE HOOK. 17:26.146 --> 17:29.616 >> KEVIN, I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT I GET TO RESPOND TO THAT 17:29.616 --> 17:32.986 BECAUSE A.J. KNOWS DIFFERENT. 17:32.986 --> 17:36.623 A.J. KNOWS IF HE'S DONE HIS HOMEWORK, HE KNOWS THAT THAT 17:36.623 --> 17:38.725 CONTRACT IS NOT FINAL. 17:38.725 --> 17:40.527 THAT NEGOTIATION IS NOT FINAL. 17:40.527 --> 17:44.064 IF THERE IS ANYTHING FOUND OUT IN THE FORENSIC INVESTIGATION, 17:44.064 --> 17:49.102 IN THE FORENSIC AUDIT AND HERE'S AN AUDITOR, HE OUGHT TO KNOW 17:49.102 --> 17:54.641 BETTER THAN THAT, SHAME ON YOU, A.J., YOU OUGHT TO KNOW BETTER. 17:54.641 --> 17:57.644 AND IF THE FBI COMES UP WITH SOMETHING, ALL BETS ARE OFF. 17:57.644 --> 17:59.846 >> ALL NO, THEY'RE NOT. 17:59.846 --> 18:03.016 >> BEFORE THE CRIMINAL COMPLAINT CAN GO FORWARD, BEFORE 18:03.016 --> 18:04.918 ANYTHING -- >> THAT AGREEMENT AND 18:04.918 --> 18:09.856 FORGIVENESS OF CIVIL PENALTIES DOES NOT GO AWAY. 18:09.856 --> 18:10.957 >> THAT'S NOT TRUE. 18:10.957 --> 18:13.693 >> THEY CAN GO AFTER PEOPLE THAT COMMITTED CRIMES, THEY CAN GO 18:13.693 --> 18:18.765 AFTER THEM FOR CRIMINAL, BUT THE SETTLEMENT FOR CIVIL DAMAGES 18:18.765 --> 18:28.775 EXONERATED THEM FOR WHATEVER OTHER DAMAGES MAY BE DISCOVERED. 18:28.775 --> 18:30.477 >> MR. BALUKOFF, ONE THING I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAY IS WHERE YOU 18:30.477 --> 18:32.979 STAND ON THE CONCEPT OF PRIVATIZING PRISONS. 18:32.979 --> 18:39.152 IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD SUPPORT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES? 18:39.152 --> 18:40.720 THE GOVERNOR'S POSITION IS CLEAR. 18:40.720 --> 18:43.890 WHAT IS YOURS? 18:43.890 --> 18:46.626 >> A PROFIT MOTIVE TO RUN A PRISON IS NOT A GOOD MOTIVE. 18:46.626 --> 18:51.598 I'M IN FAVOR OF OUR DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTION RUNNING THE PRISON 18:51.598 --> 18:54.901 AND PROVIDING THE SERVICES TO REHABILITATE PRISONERS. 18:54.901 --> 18:59.372 THE VAST MAJORITY OF PRISONERS AND INMATES ARE OUT THERE, EVEN 18:59.372 --> 19:02.042 THOUGH THEY'VE COMMITTED A CRIME, THE UNDERLYING REASON IS 19:02.042 --> 19:04.944 MENTAL HEALTH OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE ISSUES. 19:04.944 --> 19:10.283 AND THERE'S NOT MUCH INCENTIVE FOR A PRIVATE COMPANY TO DO 19:10.283 --> 19:13.753 THINGS THAT WILL LOWER THE PEOPLE THAT WILL -- THAT WILL 19:13.753 --> 19:16.322 LOWER THEIR FEES FOR RUNNING THE PRISON. 19:16.322 --> 19:22.128 OUR GOAL IS TO REHABILITATE INMATES, TO GET THEM BACK INTO 19:22.128 --> 19:26.132 SOCIETY, TO BE PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS, TO WORK AND SUPPORT 19:26.132 --> 19:27.200 THEIR FAMILIES. 19:27.200 --> 19:30.503 WE'RE BETTER DOING THAT AS A STATE AND THE DEPARTMENT OF 19:30.503 --> 19:33.406 CORRECTIONS THAN FARMING THAT OUT TO A PRIVATE COMPANY THAT'S 19:33.406 --> 19:37.610 TRYING TO EARN A PROFIT ON WATCHING PRISONERS. 19:37.610 --> 19:39.612 >> CAN I WEIGH IN ON THAT ONE? 19:39.612 --> 19:42.615 I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER SO YOU KNOW. 19:42.615 --> 19:45.251 I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF PRIVATIZING THE PRISON SYSTEM. 19:45.251 --> 19:49.622 I THINK THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING VERY WELL AND THE 19:49.622 --> 19:51.691 PRIVATE SECTOR AND THE FREE MARKET CAN ALWAYS PROVIDE A 19:51.691 --> 19:52.692 BETTER SOLUTION. 19:52.692 --> 19:55.862 I THINK THE ISSUE ISN'T MAKING A PROFIT. 19:55.862 --> 19:59.165 THE ISSUE IS CHANGING THE CULTURE WITH JUDGES SO THAT WE 19:59.165 --> 20:02.802 DON'T INCARCERATE PEOPLE FOR NONVICE PRESIDENT OFFENSES. 20:02.802 --> 20:05.238 THAT'S GOING TO BE THE KEY AND JUDGES WHO STAND FOR ELECTION 20:05.238 --> 20:12.278 AND ARE WORRIED THEY WON'T GET RE-ELECTED IF THEY'RE NOT TOUGH 20:12.278 --> 20:13.613 ENOUGH ON CRIME. 20:13.613 --> 20:15.448 I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE LEGISLATURE TO DO SOME 20:15.448 --> 20:17.751 AMENDMENTS TO THE CRIMINAL CODE TO LOWER THE PENALTIES FOR SOME 20:17.751 --> 20:22.455 OF THE CRIMES THAT ARE NONVIOLENT OFFENSES IN IDAHO. 20:22.455 --> 20:25.558 >> AND MR. BUJAK, ROCKY HAS ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU ON 20:25.558 --> 20:25.992 THIS. 20:25.992 --> 20:30.630 >> SO THAT'S GOOD, WEIGHING IN ON THE PRIVATE PRISONS. 20:30.630 --> 20:33.266 WHAT ABOUT THE SETTLEMENT WITH CCA? 20:33.266 --> 20:35.035 WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? 20:35.035 --> 20:38.104 DO YOU THINK THAT WAS A FAIR SETTLEMENT FOR THE STATE OF 20:38.104 --> 20:38.371 IDAHO? 20:38.371 --> 20:40.573 >> I HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION AS A LAWYER. 20:40.573 --> 20:43.309 I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE LITIGATION THAT'S GONE THROUGH THE FEDERAL 20:43.309 --> 20:46.112 COURTS RELATED TO WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE DUE TO THE LACK OF 20:46.112 --> 20:49.049 SUPERVISION AND SO THE STATE HAS BEEN EXPOSED TO LIABILITY 20:49.049 --> 20:51.951 THROUGH THE LACK OF SUPERVISION TO A GREATER DEGREE. 20:51.951 --> 20:54.754 I THINK THAT THE SETTLEMENT WAS PREMATURE. 20:54.754 --> 20:57.857 I DON'T THINK THAT THAT NUMBER IS A GOOD NUMBER AND I WOULD 20:57.857 --> 21:00.627 HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN MORE INVESTIGATION BEFORE ANY KIND OF 21:00.627 --> 21:03.730 SETTLEMENT WAS STRUCK REGARDING THE PRIVATE PRISON. 21:03.730 --> 21:06.866 >> WELL ROCKY, LET ME ALSO RESPOND TO THAT. 21:06.866 --> 21:10.637 A GOOD LAWYER WOULD HAVE READ THE ENTIRE CONTRACT ON THE 21:10.637 --> 21:15.108 NEGOTIATION AND WOULD HAVE FOUND OUT THAT AT THE END, NEW 21:15.108 --> 21:21.548 INFORMATION ON A NEW SUGGEST, THE WHOLE CONTRACT IS OPENED UP. 21:21.548 --> 21:24.184 THAT'S IN THAT CONTRACT, JOHN. 21:24.184 --> 21:26.286 >> DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND? 21:26.286 --> 21:30.623 >> AS A CIVIL LAWYER, YOU DON'T LEAVE OPEN ENDED LIABILITIES. 21:30.623 --> 21:33.893 THE WHOLE NOTION IS ITS RISK MANAGEMENT. 21:33.893 --> 21:36.463 MAYBE THEY CAN BE OPENED UP IN THE CRIMINAL CONTEXT, BUT 21:36.463 --> 21:39.199 THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL CIVIL LIABILITY THAT CAN BE IMPOSED 21:39.199 --> 21:40.467 UNDER THAT CONTRACT. 21:40.467 --> 21:43.103 THAT WAS SIMPLY PUT TO BED FOR A MILLION BUCKS. 21:43.103 --> 21:43.837 >> NOT TRUE. 21:43.837 --> 21:45.939 >> A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION REALLY BRIEFLY. 21:45.939 --> 21:47.774 >> MY QUESTION IS FOR YOU, GOVERNOR. 21:47.774 --> 21:55.281 YOU POINTEDLY TOLD THETERNALLY THAT THE PRIVATE -- YOU SAID 21:55.281 --> 21:59.519 THERE WASN'T A NEED TO CALL FOR THE INVESTIGATION. 21:59.519 --> 22:03.223 THEN YOU REVERSED YOUR DECISION. 22:03.223 --> 22:06.693 SO WHAT ROLE DID YOUR STAFF AND THE STATE POLICE PLAY IN THAT 22:06.693 --> 22:12.799 LETTER TO THE A.G. AND IS THIS A CASE OF INCOMPETENCE OR COVERUP? 22:12.799 --> 22:15.502 >> WELL, IT'S NEITHER AND YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THAT, ROCKY. 22:15.502 --> 22:19.439 YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS WHOLE THING. 22:19.439 --> 22:23.076 THE INITIAL REPORT WAS THAT THERE WERE SOME IRREGULARITIES. 22:23.076 --> 22:25.612 THAT'S WHY WE ORDERED THE AUDIT. 22:25.612 --> 22:31.818 WHEN THE POLICE WERE ASKED BY THE CHIEF OF THE DIVISION TO 22:31.818 --> 22:36.556 PERFORM AN AUDIT, THE STATE POLICE CAME IN AND PERFORMED AN 22:36.556 --> 22:36.756 AUDIT. 22:36.756 --> 22:40.360 NOW, HERE'S A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, IS THAT CRIMINAL AUDIT 22:40.360 --> 22:41.194 OR NOT? 22:41.194 --> 22:44.831 MY ASSUMPTION WAS HERE'S A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY DOING AN 22:44.831 --> 22:47.467 AUDIT, IT'S PROBABLY A CRIMINAL AUDIT. 22:47.467 --> 22:51.404 I WAS INFORMED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT IT WAS NOT A FULL 22:51.404 --> 22:52.305 CRIMINAL AUDIT. 22:52.305 --> 22:56.943 THAT IT WAS A FORENSIC AUDIT AND THEY DID DISCOVER SOME 22:56.943 --> 23:02.482 IRREGULARITIES, BUT IT WAS NOT A FULL -- THAT'S WHEN I TOLD -- I 23:02.482 --> 23:05.518 TOLD THE CONTRACTOR THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE RENEWED, 23:05.518 --> 23:08.221 THAT WE WERE GOING TO TAKE IT OVER AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THAT 23:08.221 --> 23:11.057 WE WERE GOING TO PROCEED THAT DIRECTION. 23:11.057 --> 23:13.893 >> CAN I ADD ONE MORE THING? 23:13.893 --> 23:14.260 >> BRIEFLY. 23:14.260 --> 23:18.365 >> THE OTHER THING THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THIS IS THE WAY THE 23:18.365 --> 23:21.001 INVESTIGATION WAS DONE BY THE IDAHO STATE POLICE AND I'VE READ 23:21.001 --> 23:22.969 THE CORRESPONDENCE WHERE THE POLICE INDICATED THEY HAD A 23:22.969 --> 23:23.870 CONFLICT OF INTEREST. 23:23.870 --> 23:25.338 THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 23:25.338 --> 23:28.274 WHEN IDAHO GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED, YOU DON'T CALL 23:28.274 --> 23:30.276 THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THAT ANSWERS TO THE GOVERNOR TO GO IN 23:30.276 --> 23:31.277 AND DO THAT. 23:31.277 --> 23:34.280 YOU BRING IN SOMEONE INDEPENDENTLY TO DO AND THAT'S 23:34.280 --> 23:38.818 WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED RIGHT OFF THE BAT. 23:38.818 --> 23:40.186 >> THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT HERE. 23:40.186 --> 23:42.288 IDAHO WASN'T BEING INVESTIGATED. 23:42.288 --> 23:43.256 CCA WAS BEING INVESTIGATED. 23:43.256 --> 23:45.658 THE STATE OF IDAHO WAS NOT BEING INVESTIGATED. 23:45.658 --> 23:47.260 >> IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON. 23:47.260 --> 23:49.662 THE NEXT QUESTION -- >> OBVIOUSLY -- 23:49.662 --> 23:52.999 [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> MR. BALUKOFF, WHAT SHOULD 23:52.999 --> 23:58.138 IDAHO DO WITH REGARD TO THE IDAHO EDUCATION NETWORK, ANOTHER 23:58.138 --> 24:03.343 STATE SERVICE FOR WHICH THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONTRACT TROUBLE? 24:03.343 --> 24:11.785 >> THAT IS ANOTHER TROUBLE THAT -- CONTRACT THAT WAS LET OUT UNDER 24:11.785 --> 24:14.788 SOME SUSPICIOUS CONDITIONS. 24:14.788 --> 24:18.792 THE FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION IS NOT PAYING WHAT IT 24:18.792 --> 24:20.527 WOULD NORMALLY PAY TO SUPPORT THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 24:20.527 --> 24:23.630 THAT COST THE STATE OVER $11 MILLION THIS YEAR AND WILL 24:23.630 --> 24:27.867 PROBABLY COST THE STATE $11 MILLION NEXT YEAR. 24:27.867 --> 24:33.106 I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF UNDOING THAT CONTRACT, REBIDDING IT AND 24:33.106 --> 24:39.913 MAKING IT A FAIR PROCESS TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO THE LOWEST 24:39.913 --> 24:43.450 QUALIFIED BIDDER AND GET RID OF SOME OF THE MULTIPLE LAYERS OF 24:43.450 --> 24:48.355 MARKUP THAT COME TO THE STATE BEFORE WE HAVE DELIVERED THE 24:48.355 --> 24:48.655 PRODUCT. 24:48.655 --> 24:50.557 >> GOVERNOR OTTER, DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT? 24:50.557 --> 24:54.260 >> AS YOU WELL KNOW, WE'VE HOOKED UP EVERY HIGH SCHOOL IN 24:54.260 --> 24:54.928 THE STATE. 24:54.928 --> 25:01.334 ALL THE STUDENTS THAT ATTEND THOSE OVER 85,000 NOW HAVE THE 25:01.334 --> 25:03.970 OPPORTUNITY FOR DUAL ENROLLMENT. 25:03.970 --> 25:08.875 IN FACT, WE HAVE DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF STUDENTS TAKEN IN DUAL 25:08.875 --> 25:11.878 ENROLLMENT WHERE THEY'RE ALREADY TAKING COLLEGE COURSES WHILE 25:11.878 --> 25:13.947 JUNIORS AND SENIORS IN HIGH SCHOOL. 25:13.947 --> 25:17.951 A.J. KNOWS FULL WELL THERE WAS ONLY ONE BIDDER, THE VERY 25:17.951 --> 25:21.521 COMPANY THAT HE WOULD HAVE GIVEN THE CONTRACT TO DID NOT BID, THE 25:21.521 --> 25:27.160 VERY COMPANY THAT IS NOW SUING DID NOT BID, DID NOT COMPLETE 25:27.160 --> 25:29.162 THEIR FULL BID ON THAT CONTRACT. 25:29.162 --> 25:31.631 YOU CANNOT GIVE A BID TO A COMPANY THAT ISN'T GOING TO 25:31.631 --> 25:34.067 COMPLETE THE BID. 25:34.067 --> 25:35.635 AND THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT HAPPENED. 25:35.635 --> 25:36.803 ARE THEY UPSET? 25:36.803 --> 25:41.708 YEAH, THEY'RE UPSET BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET THEIR TIME FOR THEIR 25:41.708 --> 25:42.008 EFFORT. 25:42.008 --> 25:45.445 REMEMBER THIS, WE'VE GONE TO COURT. 25:45.445 --> 25:50.717 NEITHER ONE OF THOSE CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN REVERSED BY ANY COURT. 25:50.717 --> 25:55.088 OF THE SIX CHARGES, FIVE OF THEM HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY DROPPED. 25:55.088 --> 25:58.491 >> THE NEXT QUESTION IS FOR MR. BUJAK. 25:58.491 --> 26:00.293 >> WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IDAHO SHOULD DO WITH REGARD TO THE 26:00.293 --> 26:01.394 IDAHO EDUCATION NETWORK? 26:01.394 --> 26:05.398 >> THE NETWORK ITSELF IS A GREAT IDEA, BUT JUST TO BUTTRESS IN ON 26:05.398 --> 26:08.201 THE GOVERNOR'S LAST COMMENTS, WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THE WAY 26:08.201 --> 26:10.970 THE CONTRACT WAS DONE AND THE SUPREME COURT HAS ALREADY RULE 26:10.970 --> 26:11.771 ON THIS. 26:11.771 --> 26:15.041 THE DIRECT OF THE DEPARTMENT OF -- THE DIRECTOR OF THE 26:15.041 --> 26:17.777 DEPARTMENT DID THE PROCESS ILLEGALLY AND THIS HAS WHAT 26:17.777 --> 26:21.414 HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A GOVERNOR THAT APPOINTS HIS BUDDIES AND 26:21.414 --> 26:24.050 WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THE WAY IT WAS HANDLED BY THE GOVERNOR'S 26:24.050 --> 26:27.620 OFFICE IS AFTER THE SUPREME COURT MADE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT, 26:27.620 --> 26:29.255 WHAT DID GOVERNOR OTTER DO? 26:29.255 --> 26:34.094 HE WAS SILENT ABOUT IT AND, IN FACT, HE THANKED HIM FOR HIS 26:34.094 --> 26:34.361 SERVICE. 26:34.361 --> 26:38.264 THERE WAS NO ACCEPTANCE OF RESPONSIBILITY AND NO CHANGE OF 26:38.264 --> 26:38.898 COURSE. 26:38.898 --> 26:40.900 SO AGAIN, THIS IS LITIGATION THAT'S GOING TO BE ONGOING, BUT 26:40.900 --> 26:43.336 I WOULD SUPPORT KEEPING THE NETWORK IN PLACE. 26:43.336 --> 26:46.806 >> NOW, DIDN'T WE JUST HEAR MR. BUJAK SAY YOU CAN BE CHARGED 26:46.806 --> 26:51.244 WITH STUFF, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT SO? 26:51.244 --> 26:53.446 ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE CHARGES THAT YOU HAD 26:53.446 --> 26:58.852 BROUGHT AGAINST YOU BY THE SUPREME COURT, BY THE ETHICS 26:58.852 --> 26:59.185 COMMITTEE? 26:59.185 --> 27:04.491 BY THE STATE OF IDAHO TO GET BACK PAY FOR CHILD SUPPORT? 27:04.491 --> 27:07.594 >> AND YET HERE I AM AND THE JURY HAVING HEARD THE EVIDENCE, 27:07.594 --> 27:10.230 FINDING ME NOT GUILTY, AND I'M STILL HERE -- 27:10.230 --> 27:13.600 >> WHY DID YOU PLEAD GUILTY? 27:13.600 --> 27:16.302 >> I DIDN'T PLEAD GUILTY TO ANY OF THE CRIMINAL CHARGES. 27:16.302 --> 27:17.871 >> JUST FOR CHILD SUPPORT. 27:17.871 --> 27:21.074 >> IT WAS JUST FOR CHILD SUPPORT FOR ONE MONTH IN AUGUST OF 2013 27:21.074 --> 27:23.309 AND I'M CURRENT NOW, GOVERNOR. 27:23.309 --> 27:25.612 WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A MONTH OF CHILD SUPPORT. 27:25.612 --> 27:28.048 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THE TAXPAYERS IN THE 27:28.048 --> 27:31.051 STATE OF IDAHO ARE HAVING TO PAY BECAUSE OF YOUR INCOMPETENCE. 27:31.051 --> 27:32.252 >> I'M CORRECTED. 27:32.252 --> 27:38.692 >> ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT QUESTION IS FOR GOVERNOR OTTER. 27:38.692 --> 27:40.860 >> GOVERNOR OTTER, NEARLY TWO YEARS AGO, YOU SAID THAT IDAHO 27:40.860 --> 27:44.230 WAS PROBABLY NOT MEETING THE STATE'S CONSTITUTION'S 27:44.230 --> 27:54.607 REQUIREMENT TO ESTABLISH AND MAINTAIN GENERAL UNIFORMS AND 27:54.607 --> 27:55.975 LEVIES FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 27:55.975 --> 27:57.510 THE BILL CONTINUES TO RISE. 27:57.510 --> 28:03.483 ARE WE STILL NOT MEETING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE AS YOU'VE 28:03.483 --> 28:03.750 INDICATED? 28:03.750 --> 28:06.853 >> YOU'VE BEEN REPORTING ON EDUCATION FOR A LONG TIME IN 28:06.853 --> 28:07.220 IDAHO. 28:07.220 --> 28:09.856 AND I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU THE QUESTION BECAUSE I EXPECT I KNOW 28:09.856 --> 28:11.324 THE ANSWER. 28:11.324 --> 28:15.929 BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IDAHO HAS EVER, EVER MET THAT 28:15.929 --> 28:19.833 CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE BECAUSE OF THE RURAL NATURE OF IDAHO. 28:19.833 --> 28:25.472 SO WHEN I ADMITTED THAT IT HADN'T, I ALSO SAID THAT BECAUSE 28:25.472 --> 28:29.409 OF THE IDAHO EDUCATION NETWORK, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE WERE 28:29.409 --> 28:32.345 MOVING UP THE SCALE ON OUR EDUCATION REFORM, THAT WE WERE 28:32.345 --> 28:36.683 GOING TO COME A LOT CLOSER TO IT THAN WE HAVE EVER BEEN IN THE 28:36.683 --> 28:39.619 HISTORY OF THE STATE OF IDAHO AND I SINCERELY BELIEVE THAT. 28:39.619 --> 28:43.623 WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO REACH OUT WITH TECHNOLOGY AND HAVE A 28:43.623 --> 28:47.427 CLASSROOM TEACHER IN EAGLE, IDAHO, TEACHING AN OTHERWISE 28:47.427 --> 28:53.533 HARD TO PLACE CLASS IN JEROME OR CASTLEFORD OR ANY OTHER PLACE IN 28:53.533 --> 28:55.869 A REMOTE SCHOOL DISTRICT, I THINK WE'RE COMING A LOT CLOSER 28:55.869 --> 28:59.372 TO THAT, AND I THINK WE'VE COME AN AWFUL LOT CLOSER TO IT UNDER 28:59.372 --> 29:05.812 AN OTTER ADMINISTRATION THAN WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY. 29:05.812 --> 29:08.181 >> MR. BALUKOFF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT? 29:08.181 --> 29:09.849 >> WITH 95 SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT HAVE BEEN FORCED TO PASS 29:09.849 --> 29:13.953 SUPPLEMENTAL LEVIES SINCE GOVERNOR OTTER'S ADMINISTRATION 29:13.953 --> 29:18.291 HAS TAKEN OVER TOTALING $1 MILLION, THERE IS GREATER 29:18.291 --> 29:20.560 DISPARITY AMONG SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAN THERE HAS EVER BEEN IN THE 29:20.560 --> 29:21.661 STATE OF IDAHO. 29:21.661 --> 29:24.030 WE HAVE SCHOOL DISTRICTS CUT BACK TO A FOUR DAY WEEK. 29:24.030 --> 29:26.332 WE HAVE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT HAVE CUT PROGRAMS, ARTS, MUSIC. 29:26.332 --> 29:30.236 THEY CHARGE FEES TO PARTICIPATE IN EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES. 29:30.236 --> 29:34.407 CHILDREN ARE NOT GETTING AN EQUAL AND UNIFORM EDUCATIONAL 29:34.407 --> 29:38.678 OPPORTUNITY ACROSS THE STATE, LIKE THE CONSTITUTION DEMANDS. 29:38.678 --> 29:45.251 WE ARE NOT IN ANY FORM OBEYING THE CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE TO 29:45.251 --> 29:47.954 PROVIDE A GENERAL UNIFORM AND THOROUGH SYSTEM OF PUBLIC 29:47.954 --> 29:48.221 SCHOOLS. 29:48.221 --> 29:51.491 WE NEED TO MAKE THE PROPER COMMITMENT THAT OUR CONSTITUTION 29:51.491 --> 29:52.625 SAYS WE SHOULD MAKE. 29:52.625 --> 29:58.331 NOW, ALL OF OUR OFFICERS, OUR GOVERNOR HAS RAISE HIS HAND AND 29:58.331 --> 30:00.333 SWORN TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION. 30:00.333 --> 30:03.103 THAT INCLUDES THE ENTIRE CONSTITUTION, EVEN THE PARTS 30:03.103 --> 30:04.804 THAT ARE HARD TO OBEY. 30:04.804 --> 30:09.442 WE WE DO NEED TO OBEY THE CONSTITUTION FOR THAT EQUAL AND 30:09.442 --> 30:12.178 UNIFORM AND THOROUGH SYSTEM OF PUBLIC EDUCATION. 30:12.178 --> 30:16.182 IT'S NOT NONE OF THAT RIGHT NOW. 30:16.182 --> 30:22.022 >> IT'S REFRESHING TO HEAR THIS RENEWED INTEREST IN OUR ENTIRE 30:22.022 --> 30:26.526 CONSTITUTION BY A.J. WHO HAS CRITICIZED ME FOR DEFENDING THE 30:26.526 --> 30:30.096 CONSTITUTION AND ESPECIALLY ARTICLE THREE SECTION 28 ON 30:30.096 --> 30:34.200 SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THIS, IDAHO RIGHT NOW 30:34.200 --> 30:39.205 FOR EVERY DIME THAT A.J. SPENDS IN HIS SCHOOL DISTRICT, FOR 30:39.205 --> 30:44.544 EVERY DOLLAR, 73 CENTS OF THAT IS COMING FROM THE STATE GENERAL 30:44.544 --> 30:45.545 FUND. 30:45.545 --> 30:49.749 SO YEAH, WE MAY BE 48 TO 49th IN HOW MUCH TOTAL MONEY IS PUT 30:49.749 --> 30:52.686 BEHIND EACH STUDENT, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF 30:52.686 --> 30:55.221 GENERAL FUND MONEY THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO THE LOCAL 30:55.221 --> 30:58.258 SCHOOL DISTRICTS, YOU'LL FIND WE'RE NUMBER FOURTH IN THE 30:58.258 --> 31:02.262 NATION IN THE AMOUNT OF GENERAL FUND DEDICATION TO THE EDUCATION 31:02.262 --> 31:04.230 SYSTEM IN THE STATE OF IDAHO. 31:04.230 --> 31:06.633 NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, THERE HAVE BEEN SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT HAVE 31:06.633 --> 31:08.902 BEEN PUT UNDER FINANCIAL PRESSURE. 31:08.902 --> 31:09.169 WHY? 31:09.169 --> 31:14.174 BECAUSE THE APPRAISAL PRICE OF PROPERTY DURING THE RECESSION 31:14.174 --> 31:18.278 DROPPED AND SO THE LEVY HAD TO COME UP AND THOSE PEOPLE ON THE 31:18.278 --> 31:21.181 LOCAL LEVEL SAID WE CARE ENOUGH ABOUT IT THAT WE ARE GOING TO 31:21.181 --> 31:21.448 VOTE. 31:21.448 --> 31:27.287 BUT REMEMBER THIS, THE LOCAL PEOPLE VOTED THOSE LEVIES IN, 31:27.287 --> 31:30.290 VOTED FOR THAT ADDITIONAL MONEY. 31:30.290 --> 31:33.927 IN FACT, I'VE HEARD A.J. SAY THIS ABOUT THE FOUR DAY SCHOOL, 31:33.927 --> 31:38.264 THE FOUR DAY SCHOOL WEEK, AND I AGREE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT 31:38.264 --> 31:39.833 GO AWAY. 31:39.833 --> 31:44.104 BUT IT WAS THE GUY IN HIS VERY AD, THE SUPERINTENDENT OUT OF 31:44.104 --> 31:46.473 SHOSHONE THAT WROTE A NICE ARTICLE ABOUT HOW GREAT IT WAS 31:46.473 --> 31:50.276 TO HAVE A FOUR DAY WEEK. 31:50.276 --> 31:53.646 >> ALL RIGHT, I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT WE NEED TO MOVE ON. 31:53.646 --> 31:57.384 >> GOVERNOR OTTER QUICKLY, THOUGH, $1 BILLION WORTH OF 31:57.384 --> 31:59.486 SUPPLEMENTAL LEVIES THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED OVER THE PAST SEVEN 31:59.486 --> 32:00.687 YEARS ON YOUR WATCH. 32:00.687 --> 32:04.324 IS THAT NOT A LARGE TAX INCREASE THAT HAS OCCURRED -- 32:04.324 --> 32:06.092 >> KEEP YOUR ANSWER BRIEF. 32:06.092 --> 32:09.796 >> $5 BILLION IN DEPRESSED APPRAISALS ACROSS THE STATE IN 32:09.796 --> 32:11.431 THE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS. 32:11.431 --> 32:14.000 IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY VALUES THAT HAVE 32:14.000 --> 32:19.506 DROPPED, IT'S FAR IN EXCESS OF WHAT HAS BEEN LOST JUST TO THE 32:19.506 --> 32:23.343 SCHOOL DISTRICTS, LOST TO MOSQUITO DISTRICTS, THE LOCAL 32:23.343 --> 32:26.713 HIGHWAY DISTRICTS, TO EVERY TAXING DISTRICT ON THE LOCAL 32:26.713 --> 32:28.648 LEVEL, KEVIN. 32:28.648 --> 32:29.983 >> MR. BALUKOFF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT? 32:29.983 --> 32:33.553 >> IT'S NOT JUST THE LOCAL MONEY, THE REDUCTION IN PROPERTY 32:33.553 --> 32:33.820 VALUES. 32:33.820 --> 32:38.124 THERE'S BEEN A CUT IN THE STATE FUNDING TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 32:38.124 --> 32:43.129 IN 2006, THE LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR TOOK OVER 32:43.129 --> 32:45.365 RESPONSIBILITY FOR FUNDING PUBLIC SCHOOLS WHEN THEY TOOK 32:45.365 --> 32:47.300 PROPERTY TAXING AUTHORITY AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND 32:47.300 --> 32:56.042 REPLACED IT WITH A 1 PENNY SALES TAX INCREASE. 32:56.042 --> 32:59.679 THEY HAVE CUT THE FUNDING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND TODAY, EVEN 32:59.679 --> 33:03.483 THOUGH GOVERNOR OTTER CLAIMS TO HAVE PUT $35 MILLION BACK INTO 33:03.483 --> 33:08.788 PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WE ARE STILL $100 MILLION SHORT OF THE 2009 33:08.788 --> 33:11.958 FUNDING LEVEL AND THAT'S BEFORE YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION 33:11.958 --> 33:15.695 INFLATION AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 22,000 MORE STUDENTS TODAY 33:15.695 --> 33:19.065 THAN WE HAD IN 2009. 33:19.065 --> 33:21.334 >> MR. BALUKOFF, ARIZONA SCHOOL TRUSTEE, IN ONE OF THOSE 33:21.334 --> 33:24.170 DISTRICTS THAT'S HAD TO GO TO VOTERS AND GET A SUPPLEMENTAL 33:24.170 --> 33:25.438 LEVY PASSED. 33:25.438 --> 33:29.809 IS THERE NOTHING TO BE SAID FOR THE GOVERNMENT CLOSEST TO THE 33:29.809 --> 33:34.180 LOCAL PATRONS GOING TO THEM AND DECIDING WHAT LEVEL OF 33:34.180 --> 33:35.348 COMPLIMENT TO EDUCATION THEY WANT? 33:35.348 --> 33:37.183 >> THE PROBLEM WITH THE SUPPLEMENTAL LEVIES IS THEY'RE 33:37.183 --> 33:40.253 GOOD FOR TWO YEARS. 33:40.253 --> 33:44.190 AND DISTRICTS ARE PAYING ONGOING EXPENSES, TEACHER SALARIES AND 33:44.190 --> 33:48.028 SO FORTH WITH TEMPORARY MONEY AND JUST BECAUSE A DISTRICT 33:48.028 --> 33:52.665 PASSED A LEVY LAST YEAR DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN PASS IT AGAIN NEXT 33:52.665 --> 33:53.033 YEAR. 33:53.033 --> 33:59.139 SOME DISTRICTS AROUND THE STATE GET ALMOST 25% OF THEIR TOTAL 33:59.139 --> 34:00.040 BUDGET FROM SUPPLEMENTAL LEVIES. 34:00.040 --> 34:05.578 IF THAT DISTRICT IS UNABLE TO PASS A LEVY, OR RENEW THE LEVY, 34:05.578 --> 34:08.348 THAT WILL BE DEVASTATING FOR THOSE DISTRICTS. 34:08.348 --> 34:11.851 THAT'S NOT, THAT TEMPORARY FUNDING IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO 34:11.851 --> 34:12.786 FUND OUR SCHOOLS. 34:12.786 --> 34:16.322 IT DOES NOT PROVIDE STABLE FUNDING. 34:16.322 --> 34:18.258 SUPERINTENDENTS ALL OVER THE DISTRICT TELL ME THEIR TWO 34:18.258 --> 34:21.428 BIGGEST CHALLENGES ARE THE LACK OF STABLE AND RELIABLE FUNDING 34:21.428 --> 34:25.432 SO THEY CAN DO LONG-TERM PLANNING AND THEIR INABILITY TO 34:25.432 --> 34:29.903 FILL TEACHING POSITIONS, THE VACANCIES THAT ARE CREATED WHEN 34:29.903 --> 34:32.172 TEACHERS LEAVE FOR OTHER PROFESSIONS OR OTHER STATES. 34:32.172 --> 34:37.444 I HAD ONE SUPERINTENDENT TELL ME THAT HALF OF THE TEACHING 34:37.444 --> 34:42.449 VACANCIES IN THAT DISTRICT ARE FILLED WITH PEOPLE ON 34:42.449 --> 34:44.351 PROVISIONAL CERTIFICATION. 34:44.351 --> 34:46.920 >> MR. BALUKOFF, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE TERRIBLE, BUT HOW DO 34:46.920 --> 34:50.090 YOU PAY FOR THEM TO MAKE THEM BETTER? 34:50.090 --> 34:51.725 >> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, YOU ELIMINATE THE WASTE THAT'S BEEN 34:51.725 --> 34:54.894 GOING ON IN THE GOVERNMENT. 34:54.894 --> 34:58.665 WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BROADBAND CONTRACT, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH 34:58.665 --> 35:03.136 MONEY WAS LOST AT THE PRISON SCANDAL, BUT ALSO YOU CHANGE THE 35:03.136 --> 35:03.503 PRIORITIES. 35:03.503 --> 35:06.940 THIS YEAR THE GOVERNOR HAS RECOMMENDED PUTTING $70 MILLION 35:06.940 --> 35:08.975 INTO A RAINY DAY FUND. 35:08.975 --> 35:14.414 HE PROPOSED PUTTING ANOTHER $30 MILLION ASIDE FOR UNSPECIFIED 35:14.414 --> 35:17.050 TAX RELIEF. 35:17.050 --> 35:19.252 THAT'S $100 MILLION THAT COULD HAVE GONE TO SCHOOLS IF SCHOOLS 35:19.252 --> 35:22.489 HAD TRULY BEEN THE TOP PRIORITY. 35:22.489 --> 35:28.361 AND YOU KNOW THIS YEAR, WE WOULD BE BACK AT THE 2009 FUNDING 35:28.361 --> 35:29.796 LEVEL. 35:29.796 --> 35:32.966 >> THE NEXT QUESTION IS FROM KEVIN. 35:32.966 --> 35:35.969 >> MR. BUJAK, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU ABOUT SCHOOL FUNDING. 35:35.969 --> 35:38.805 YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT CUTTING THE BUDGET, FINDING WAYS IN THE 35:38.805 --> 35:41.508 STATE BUDGET AND PUTTING THAT INTO THE EDUCATION. 35:41.508 --> 35:44.544 WHERE DO WE GET THAT FROM, SPECIFICALLY? 35:44.544 --> 35:47.280 WHERE IS THE WASTE THAT YOU WOULD CUT? 35:47.280 --> 35:48.982 >> THERE'S A NUMBER OF PLACES THAT I WOULD LOOK. 35:48.982 --> 35:52.018 I WOULD RECOGNIZE AND I AGREE WITH GOVERNOR OTTER, WE AS A 35:52.018 --> 35:55.455 STATE DEDICATE A LOT OF FUNDING TO EDUCATION, 65% OF THE BUDGET, 35:55.455 --> 35:57.824 IN FACT, GOES TO EDUCATION AND ONE OF THE KEYS IS GOING TO BE 35:57.824 --> 36:01.027 IMPROVING THE ECONOMY AND RAISING THE SIZE OF THE PIE FROM 36:01.027 --> 36:03.930 A ROBUST ECONOMY AND GETTING MORE MONEY FOR EDUCATION, THAT'S 36:03.930 --> 36:06.966 GOING TO BE PART OF THE PLAN, BUT WHERE WE CAN CUT I THINK IS 36:06.966 --> 36:10.570 IN CORRECTIONS SPENDING AGAIN WE WAREHOUSE PEOPLE FOR NONVIOLENT 36:10.570 --> 36:13.606 OFFENSES TO THE TUNE OF $40,000 PER PERSON PER YEAR. 36:13.606 --> 36:15.608 WE CAN CUT BACK THERE. 36:15.608 --> 36:17.977 WE CAN CUT BACK ON SOME OF THE STRUCTURE WITHIN THE SCHOOLS. 36:17.977 --> 36:20.413 I THINK IT'S ADMINISTRATION HEAVY AND I WOULD RATHER SEE US 36:20.413 --> 36:23.316 HAVE LESS ADMINISTRATION AND MORE MONEY GETTING INTO THE 36:23.316 --> 36:26.152 CLASSROOM SO THE TEACHERS DON'T HAVE TO PULL MONEY OUT OF THEIR 36:26.152 --> 36:29.055 OWN POCKETS TO FUND SUPPLIES IN THE CLASSROOM. 36:29.055 --> 36:32.692 I ALSO THINK THAT GETTING RID OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH COMMON CORE 36:32.692 --> 36:36.329 AND I WANT TO ADDRESS THESE 20 GOOD IDEAS THAT THE GOVERNOR 36:36.329 --> 36:41.334 TALKS ABOUT BECAUSE GOVERNOR OTTER LIKES TO DO THIS. 36:41.334 --> 36:45.005 HE TAKES THINGS THAT ARE UNPOPULAR WITH THE PEOPLE OF 36:45.005 --> 36:47.507 IDAHO, HE SELLS IT TO THEM IN A DIFFERENT FORM. 36:47.507 --> 36:50.643 THE 20 GOOD IDEAS ARE PROPS TWO AND THREE THAT WERE REJECTED BY 36:50.643 --> 36:54.647 THE VOTERS, AND NOW, HE'S PERPETUATING SOMETHING THE 36:54.647 --> 36:57.450 VOTERS REJECTED. 36:57.450 --> 37:01.488 >> I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO WHAT THE GOVERNOR SAID EARLIER 37:01.488 --> 37:07.193 THAT HE BELIEVES IDAHO HAS NEVER MET THE CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE 37:07.193 --> 37:10.397 FOR FUNDING IDAHO SCHOOLS AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU 37:10.397 --> 37:11.131 THINK ABOUT THAT IDEA. 37:11.131 --> 37:15.835 >> WHEN YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE DETERIORATING 37:15.835 --> 37:21.708 STATE OF SCHOOL BUILDINGS AROUND THE STATE, THAT'S ONE CASE WHERE 37:21.708 --> 37:25.145 WE'VE NEVER FULFILLED THAT CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE. 37:25.145 --> 37:29.416 MAYBE ONE WAY TO FULFILL THAT WOULD BE TO LOWER THE 37:29.416 --> 37:32.719 SUPERMAJORITY, THE TWO THIRDS REQUIREMENT IN PASSING A BOND TO 37:32.719 --> 37:35.422 BUILD NEW SCHOOLS. 37:35.422 --> 37:40.060 THERE HAVE BEEN DISTRICTS AND, IN FACT, JUST RECENTLY THE WEST 37:40.060 --> 37:44.964 AIDA DISTRICT PASSED -- TRIED TO PASS A LEVY THAT THEY NEED FOR 37:44.964 --> 37:49.536 SOME NEW SCHOOLS, TWO OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS ARE LIKE 30% 37:49.536 --> 37:49.903 OVERCAPACITY. 37:49.903 --> 37:52.505 THEIR SCHOOLS WERE BUILT FOR 1,800 STUDENTS. 37:52.505 --> 37:56.643 ONE OF THEM HAS 2,300 STUDENTS, THE OTHER HAS 2,200 STUDENTS IN 37:56.643 --> 38:00.680 THERE AND THEY BADLY NEED TO BUILD NEW SCHOOLS. 38:00.680 --> 38:05.819 WELL, THE BOND PROPOSAL WENT OUT AND THEY GOT 63% OF THE VOTE. 38:05.819 --> 38:10.190 NOW, IF I WERE TO WIN THIS ELECTION WITH 63% OF THE VOTE, 38:10.190 --> 38:14.227 THAT WOULD BE BANNER HEADLINES ALL OVER THE STATE. 38:14.227 --> 38:19.032 BUT IN A BOND ELECTION, 63% IS A LOSER. 38:19.032 --> 38:27.040 SO ONE WAY TO HELP US MAINTAIN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS WOULD BE TO 38:27.040 --> 38:29.843 LOWER THAT SUPERMAJORITY REQUIREMENT SO THAT MORE 38:29.843 --> 38:32.612 DISTRICTS COULD PASS THE BONDS NECESSARY TO BUILD NEW HIGH 38:32.612 --> 38:34.214 SCHOOLS WHEN YOU HAVE OVERCROWDING LIKE THEY HAVE IN 38:34.214 --> 38:36.616 THE WEST AIDA DISTRICT. 38:36.616 --> 38:39.152 >> MR. BALUKOFF THAT QUESTION ABOUT FUNDING BUILDINGS DID GO 38:39.152 --> 38:41.888 TO THE STATE SUPREME COURT AND THERE WAS A RULING ON THAT BUT 38:41.888 --> 38:44.724 WHAT ABOUT OPERATIONAL FUNDING FOR SCHOOLS? 38:44.724 --> 38:47.794 HAVE WE ALWAYS HAD THIS PROBLEM? 38:47.794 --> 38:49.729 HAVE WE NEVER MET THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT TO 38:49.729 --> 38:51.431 FUND OUR SCHOOLS IN IDAHO? 38:51.431 --> 38:54.234 ARE OUR FUNDING PROBLEMS SOMETHING NEW? 38:54.234 --> 39:00.106 >> I THINK PRIOR TO 2006, WHEN WE DID THE SPECIAL TAX SHIFT, 39:00.106 --> 39:05.111 AND GOT AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY TAX FUNDING AND REPLACED IT WITH 39:05.111 --> 39:10.383 SALES TAX, THAT WE WERE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF FUNDING 39:10.383 --> 39:13.453 SCHOOLS, BECAUSE BESIDES DISTRICTS PASSING OR BEING ABLE 39:13.453 --> 39:19.125 TO TAX AND COLLECT PROPERTY TAX, THERE IS A FUNDING FORMULA THAT 39:19.125 --> 39:23.563 TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THE VARIATIONS IN MARKET VALUE AND 39:23.563 --> 39:28.234 THE ABILITY OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO IMPOSE PROPERTY TAXES AND 39:28.234 --> 39:32.772 THAT FUNDING SOURCE OR THAT FUNDING FORMULA DID A FAIRLY 39:32.772 --> 39:36.676 DECENT JOB OF EQUALIZING THE FUNDING BETWEEN SCHOOL 39:36.676 --> 39:40.613 DISTRICTS, THE LARGE WEALTHY URBAN DISTRICTS VERSUS THE SMALL 39:40.613 --> 39:42.949 RURAL DISTRICTS WITHOUT MARKET VALUE. 39:42.949 --> 39:44.784 >> ALL RIGHT, IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON. 39:44.784 --> 39:46.986 >> WE HAD A BETTER FUNDING SYSTEM IN THE PAST THAN WE HAVE 39:46.986 --> 39:47.420 RIGHT NOW. 39:47.420 --> 39:49.155 >> AND MR. BUJAK, WHAT DO YOU THINK? 39:49.155 --> 39:50.890 HAVE WE NEVER MET THAT CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT TO 39:50.890 --> 39:52.092 FUND OUR SCHOOLS? 39:52.092 --> 39:54.728 >> I DISAGREE THAT WE'VE NEVER MET THE STANDARD. 39:54.728 --> 39:59.099 I THINK HISTORICALLY, WE'VE DONE OKAY AND REALLY I'M NOT SURE, 39:59.099 --> 40:01.701 CERTAINLY EDUCATION NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED IN IDAHO AND FUNDING 40:01.701 --> 40:04.738 FOR EDUCATION NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED IN IDAHO. 40:04.738 --> 40:08.808 THERE IS NO QUESTION, BUT ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO STEP BACK 40:08.808 --> 40:11.978 AND TAKE A LOOK AT IS THE MODEL THAT'S BEING USED, NOT JUST IN 40:11.978 --> 40:14.347 EDUCATION, BUT IN HEALTHCARE AND OTHER ISSUES BECAUSE THE ANSWER 40:14.347 --> 40:16.916 ISN'T ALWAYS JUST THROW MORE MONEY AT THE PROBLEM. 40:16.916 --> 40:21.187 I MEAN, IDAHO'S KIDS ARE NOT GETTING THE FUNDING THEY 40:21.187 --> 40:21.454 DESERVE. 40:21.454 --> 40:24.290 THEY'RE NOT PERFORMING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL, EITHER. 40:24.290 --> 40:26.760 SO I DON'T KNOW THAT JUST THROWING MORE MONEY AT IT SOLVES 40:26.760 --> 40:27.460 THE PROBLEM. 40:27.460 --> 40:31.398 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MODEL IMPROVED AND CHANGED, AS WELL. 40:31.398 --> 40:32.899 >> THE NEXT QUESTION IS FOR GOVERNOR OTTER. 40:32.899 --> 40:35.769 >> GOVERNOR OTTER, YOU SAID REPEATEDLY THAT IN THE LUNA LAWS 40:35.769 --> 40:41.775 WHICH THE VOTERS REJECTED WE HAD A GOOD PRODUCT, BUT A BAD 40:41.775 --> 40:42.308 PROCESS. 40:42.308 --> 40:45.912 THE VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY REJECTED THAT PRODUCT. 40:45.912 --> 40:48.848 NOW, YOU HAVE A TASK FORCE THAT YOU SAY HAS FOLLOWED A GOOD 40:48.848 --> 40:52.385 PROCESS AND COME UP WITH A GOOD PRODUCT. 40:52.385 --> 40:57.023 BUT THERE IS A $350 MILLION DIFFERENCE FROM THE LUNA LAW'S 40:57.023 --> 40:57.323 APPROACH. 40:57.323 --> 41:00.527 THIS PROPOSAL IS TO PUT SIGNIFICANTLY MORE MONEY INTO 41:00.527 --> 41:04.731 IMPROVING THE SCHOOLS RATHER THAN TO SHIFT PRIORITIES WITHIN 41:04.731 --> 41:04.998 THEM. 41:04.998 --> 41:07.901 ISN'T THERE A DIFFERENCE? 41:07.901 --> 41:09.602 >> WELL, NO. 41:09.602 --> 41:16.710 BETSY, IN A BIPARTISAN WAY, THE PROP ONE TOOK SEVEN PIECES OF 41:16.710 --> 41:21.348 LEGISLATION IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH BASICALLY PROP ONE. 41:21.348 --> 41:23.183 IT GOT BIPARTISAN SUPPORT. 41:23.183 --> 41:25.352 IT GOT BICAMERAL SUPPORT. 41:25.352 --> 41:31.024 FOR NOT MAYBE NOT ALL SEVEN OF THOSE PIECES OF LEGISLATION, BUT 41:31.024 --> 41:36.196 THE LEGISLATURE VIEWED THOSE AS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO, THE RIGHT 41:36.196 --> 41:40.767 DIRECTION TO GO AND SO THEY ONE BY ONE INSTEAD OF JUST ONE PROP, 41:40.767 --> 41:45.105 THEY TOOK SEVEN OF THE BILLS AND SAID HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO 41:45.105 --> 41:45.305 DO. 41:45.305 --> 41:48.408 THEN I APPOINTED THE TASK FORCE. 41:48.408 --> 41:51.378 LUNA AND I DIDN'T HAVE A TASK FORCE ON PROPS TWO AND THREE. 41:51.378 --> 41:55.682 THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 41:55.682 --> 41:59.986 PROPS TWO AND THREE ARE BASICALLY THE 20 RECOMMENDATIONS 41:59.986 --> 42:03.056 THAT HAVE NOW BEEN BY THIS TASK FORCE THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER BY 42:03.056 --> 42:07.427 ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS IN EDUCATION THAT HAVE SPENT TWO 42:07.427 --> 42:14.000 YEARS IN THE PROCESS AND HAVE BROKEN DOWN INTO SUBCOMMITTEES 42:14.000 --> 42:16.436 TO PERFECT THOSE PROCESSES TO COME BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE IF 42:16.436 --> 42:18.271 WE NEED TO CHANGE THE LAW. 42:18.271 --> 42:20.640 PLUS, THE FACT IT WAS A FIVE-YEAR PROGRAM. 42:20.640 --> 42:23.877 PROPS ONE, TWO, AND THREE WEREN'T FIVE YEARS. 42:23.877 --> 42:25.512 THEY WERE BOOM, RIGHT AWAY. 42:25.512 --> 42:29.349 AND ALSO, IT'S GOT A $350 MILLION PRICE TAG ON IT, WHICH 42:29.349 --> 42:34.287 WITH THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE ECONOMY, WE'RE NOT GOING 42:34.287 --> 42:39.726 TO HAVE TO RAISE TAXES IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT $350 MILLION 42:39.726 --> 42:40.026 INVESTMENT. 42:40.026 --> 42:42.195 >> DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW-UP, BRIEFLY? 42:42.195 --> 42:46.933 >> WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE OTHER CANDIDATES' VIEWS. 42:46.933 --> 42:50.003 >> THANK YOU. 42:50.003 --> 42:52.939 $35 MILLION INCREASE IN STATE FUNDING FOR SCHOOLS LOOKS LIKE A 42:52.939 --> 42:57.644 10-YEAR PROGRAM, NOT A FIVE-YEAR PROGRAM AND THE PROCESS AGAIN, 42:57.644 --> 42:58.978 YOU HAD A GOOD START. 42:58.978 --> 43:02.215 WE HAD A BROAD RANGE OF STAKEHOLDERS ON THE GOVERNOR'S 43:02.215 --> 43:05.685 TASK FORCE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE GOVERNOR NEVER ATTENDED ANY 43:05.685 --> 43:08.788 OF THE MEETINGS, NOT EVEN THE FIRST ONE TO KICK IT OFF AND 43:08.788 --> 43:15.328 GIVE THEM THEIR MISSION AND SINCE THEY'VE SMIT -- SPLIT INTO 43:15.328 --> 43:18.264 SUBCOMMITTEES, AND THERE IS ONE WORKING TEACHER ON THE 43:18.264 --> 43:22.235 SUBCOMMITTEE ON TIERED LICENSURE AND CAREER LADDER. 43:22.235 --> 43:25.438 SIX LEGISLATORS WHICH IN MY VIEW CARRIES WAY TOO MUCH WEIGHT AND 43:25.438 --> 43:30.643 THEY CAME UP WITH A PRODUCT THAT IS GETTING AN EARFUL IN THE 43:30.643 --> 43:33.880 HEARINGS AS THEY GO AROUND THE STATE PRESENTING THEIR PROPOSAL 43:33.880 --> 43:38.818 TO GET FEEDBACK FROM EDUCATORS, FROM TEACHERS, PRINCIPALS AND 43:38.818 --> 43:39.252 SUPERINTENDENTS. 43:39.252 --> 43:41.821 I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF THAT. 43:41.821 --> 43:44.824 IN FACT, FOR THE LAST SIX WEEKS, ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS I GET 43:44.824 --> 43:51.831 AS I TALK WITH EDUCATORS, TEACHERS, PRINCIPALS, AND 43:51.831 --> 43:55.101 SUPERINTENDENTS, IS HOW CONCERNED THEY ARE WITH THIS 43:55.101 --> 43:56.836 TIERED LICENSURE PROPOSAL. 43:56.836 --> 44:00.407 SUPERINTENDENTS SEE IT AS ANOTHER OBSTACLE THAT WILL KEEP 44:00.407 --> 44:06.246 THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO FILL TEACHING VACANCIES IN THEIR 44:06.246 --> 44:07.247 DISTRICT. 44:07.247 --> 44:09.416 I'VE HAD TEACHERS TELL ME THEY'RE GOING TO RETIRE AT THE 44:09.416 --> 44:14.320 END OF THE YEAR AND CREATE MORE VACANCIES. 44:14.320 --> 44:14.888 >> MR. BUJAK. 44:14.888 --> 44:17.357 >> BRIEFLY, WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THE PLAN, WE CAN'T 44:17.357 --> 44:19.259 GUARANTEE THAT EVERY LEGISLATURE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IS GOING 44:19.259 --> 44:21.728 TO FUND THE PLAN. 44:21.728 --> 44:24.531 SO WE CAN ONLY FUND IT ONE YEAR AT A TIME. 44:24.531 --> 44:26.433 ONE LEGISLATURE CAN'T BIND THE NEXT. 44:26.433 --> 44:30.537 I WORRY THAT THE FUNDING ISN'T IN PLACE TO THE DEGREE THAT THE 44:30.537 --> 44:33.340 GOVERNOR THINKS IT IS AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 44:33.340 --> 44:36.343 >> IN THE FIRST PLACE, LET ME RESPOND TO WHAT A.J. SAID, I 44:36.343 --> 44:37.610 THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR. 44:37.610 --> 44:41.247 HE SAID THEY'RE GOING AROUND THE STATE AND THEY'RE LISTENING TO 44:41.247 --> 44:41.614 PEOPLE. 44:41.614 --> 44:43.717 WHY DO YOU THINK THEY'RE DOING THAT? 44:43.717 --> 44:44.818 THEY WANT TO PERFECT IT. 44:44.818 --> 44:46.720 THEY WANT TO MAKE IT WORK. 44:46.720 --> 44:51.358 FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST STANDING BY AND SAYING WE DON'T 44:51.358 --> 44:54.461 WANT ACCOUNTABILITY, WE DON'T WANT ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE 44:54.461 --> 44:57.263 CLASSROOM, WE JUST WANT INCREASED PAY, YOU DON'T WANT 44:57.263 --> 44:57.997 ANY ACCOUNTABILITY. 44:57.997 --> 45:01.968 THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FINDING OUT, AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GOING OUT 45:01.968 --> 45:07.040 AND LISTENING AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN PROCESS AND 45:07.040 --> 45:07.307 PRODUCT. 45:07.307 --> 45:09.609 [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> I'VE NEVER HEARD ONE TEACHER 45:09.609 --> 45:12.412 OR PRINCIPAL OR SUPERINTENDENT SAY THEY DIDN'T WANT 45:12.412 --> 45:12.779 ACCOUNTABILITY. 45:12.779 --> 45:13.713 THEY'RE FOR IT. 45:13.713 --> 45:15.515 THEY WANT FAIR ACCOUNTABILITY. 45:15.515 --> 45:16.616 >> ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT QUESTION -- 45:16.616 --> 45:23.089 [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> ON THE TIERED LICENSURE 45:23.089 --> 45:24.858 PROGRAM, YOU HAVE A LOT OF TEACHERS VERY UPSET ABOUT THIS, 45:24.858 --> 45:28.094 ABOUT THE PROCESS, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING CUT OUT 45:28.094 --> 45:28.328 AGAIN. 45:28.328 --> 45:32.632 HOW DO YOU ASSURE THEM THAT THIS IS NOT DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN? 45:32.632 --> 45:35.635 >> I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ASSURE BY THE TIERED LICENSURE 45:35.635 --> 45:37.904 IS SHOW THEM THAT THEY'VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY, THEY'VE GOT A 45:37.904 --> 45:44.010 CAREER LADDER, THEY'VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY BY INCREASING THEIR 45:44.010 --> 45:47.247 PROFESSIONAL CAPABILITIES, BY INCREASING THEIR LICENSURE FROM 45:47.247 --> 45:51.918 RESIDENCY ON UP TO TEACHER ON UP TO PROFESSIONAL, THAT THEY'RE 45:51.918 --> 45:55.822 GOING TO ALSO GET THAT INCREASE IN PAY. 45:55.822 --> 46:00.126 AND THE IDEA THAT'S BEING SPREAD AROUND BY A.J. AND THE REST OF 46:00.126 --> 46:05.932 HIS FOLKS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LOSE THEIR LICENSE IS 46:05.932 --> 46:07.500 ABSOLUTELY WRONG. 46:07.500 --> 46:08.201 ABSOLUTELY WRONG. 46:08.201 --> 46:13.039 SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS ON THE TIERED 46:13.039 --> 46:15.842 LICENSURE AND THAT IS WHY THAT SUBCOMMITTEE IS GOING AROUND AND 46:15.842 --> 46:17.944 TALKING TO PEOPLE AND LISTENING TO PEOPLE. 46:17.944 --> 46:24.517 WHAT WILL WORK, WHAT WILL HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY, WHAT WILL KEEP 46:24.517 --> 46:26.419 THE BEST TEACHERS IN IDAHO? 46:26.419 --> 46:28.588 THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO US. 46:28.588 --> 46:31.691 >> ROCKY HAS A YES OR NO QUESTION FOR ALL THREE OF YOU. 46:31.691 --> 46:32.425 >> A SIMPLE YES OR NO. 46:32.425 --> 46:36.996 DO YOU SUPPORT THE TIERED LICENSURE PROPOSAL? 46:36.996 --> 46:38.264 YES OR NO. 46:38.264 --> 46:38.698 >> NO. 46:38.698 --> 46:38.965 >> NO. 46:38.965 --> 46:40.166 >> YES. 46:40.166 --> 46:40.533 >> ALL RIGHT. 46:40.533 --> 46:41.434 MOVING ON. 46:41.434 --> 46:46.906 THE NEXT QUESTION IS FROM ROCKY BARKER ON JOBS FOR GOVERNOR 46:46.906 --> 46:48.274 OTTER. 46:48.274 --> 46:52.078 >> GOVERNOR, FOUR YEARS AGO, WHEN WE TALKED, YOU TALKED ABOUT 46:52.078 --> 46:54.180 IDAHO'S ECONOMY BEING BASED ON ITS RESOURCES. 46:54.180 --> 46:57.183 WE TALKED ABOUT FARMING, WE TALKED ABOUT LOGGING AND YES, 46:57.183 --> 46:59.953 YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY, BUT IT ALL TIED IN 46:59.953 --> 47:00.954 TO THOSE. 47:00.954 --> 47:04.457 THIS YEAR, YOU'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT PEOPLE. 47:04.457 --> 47:06.059 THE PEOPLE ARE OUR RESOURCES. 47:06.059 --> 47:08.061 TELL ME WHAT'S DIFFERENT. 47:08.061 --> 47:10.230 HOW HAS OUR ECONOMY CHANGED? 47:10.230 --> 47:11.331 >> OUR ECONOMY HASN'T CHANGED. 47:11.331 --> 47:14.601 IT'S PEOPLE THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. 47:14.601 --> 47:19.506 IT'S HOPEFULLY THAT CHILD THAT'S SETTING IN THE CLASSROOM TODAY 47:19.506 --> 47:27.514 BEING CHALLENGED, THEIR CREATIVE GENIUS BEING CHALLENGED BY A 47:27.514 --> 47:30.850 GOOD TEACHER THAT'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT GENERATION OF FARM 47:30.850 --> 47:35.522 PRODUCTS AND THE NEXT DYNAMIC RAM ACCESS MEMORY CHIP AND THE 47:35.522 --> 47:37.991 NEXT SOFTWARE SYSTEM IN THE STATE. 47:37.991 --> 47:39.993 SO IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH PEOPLE. 47:39.993 --> 47:44.064 I DON'T THINK I EVER DENIED THAT. 47:44.064 --> 47:47.334 WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING IS WE'RE THE FIFTH FASTEST GROWING 47:47.334 --> 47:50.537 ECONOMY IN THE UNITED STATES AND WHO IS OUTGROWING US? 47:50.537 --> 47:52.739 WHO'S AHEAD OF US? 47:52.739 --> 47:57.077 WYOMING, NORTH DAKOTA, WEST VIRGINIA AND OKLAHOMA, ALL 47:57.077 --> 48:00.113 NATURAL RESOURCE STATES, GAS, OIL AND COAL. 48:00.113 --> 48:04.117 THE REASON WE'RE IN FIFTH PLACE WITHOUT GAS, OIL AND COAL IS 48:04.117 --> 48:06.019 BECAUSE OF OUR PEOPLE. 48:06.019 --> 48:10.390 AND BECAUSE THEY REALIZE THAT THEY'RE THE MOST IMPORTANT 48:10.390 --> 48:15.695 INGREDIENT IN OUR ABILITY TO GROW OUR COMMITTEE, TO CREATE 48:15.695 --> 48:17.864 THE NEXT GENERATION OF PRODUCTS AND SERVICES IN THE STATE OF 48:17.864 --> 48:19.499 IDAHO AND THEY'VE DONE IT. 48:19.499 --> 48:21.935 THAT'S WHY PROJECT 60 WORKED. 48:21.935 --> 48:25.138 >> ROCKY, YOU HAD A FOLLOW-UP? 48:25.138 --> 48:27.874 >> GOVERNOR, THAT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T MAKING 48:27.874 --> 48:32.512 VERY MUCH MONEY AND THEY'RE STILL HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING 48:32.512 --> 48:32.679 BY. 48:32.679 --> 48:35.849 >> WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT YOU'VE HEARD IS THAT THE 48:35.849 --> 48:40.520 STATE OF IDAHO HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATES OF $7.25 AN HOUR. 48:40.520 --> 48:45.992 ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS, ONE OF THE GREAT VALUES AND VIRTUES IN 48:45.992 --> 48:49.529 IDAHO IS THE WHOLE FAMILY LOOKS THEIR POSITION AND THEY ALL WORK 48:49.529 --> 48:50.897 TO IMPROVE THAT POSITION. 48:50.897 --> 48:53.433 I WAS RAISED IN A FAMILY OF NINE KIDS. 48:53.433 --> 48:58.104 AND THERE WERE A LOT OF JOBS THAT I WENT OUT AND WORKED AT AT 48:58.104 --> 49:01.474 THE MINIMUM WAGE AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THE HOUSEHOLD 49:01.474 --> 49:01.741 INCOME? 49:01.741 --> 49:03.910 WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT IS ONE THING. 49:03.910 --> 49:06.846 LOOK AT THE HOUSEHOLD INCOME AND YOU'LL FIND WE'RE WAY UP IN THE 49:06.846 --> 49:12.285 MIDDLE OF THE PACK, NOT NEAR DOWN WHERE WE WERE. 49:12.285 --> 49:17.757 SO YES, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE MAKING 6% OF OUR 49:17.757 --> 49:21.494 WORKFORCE THAT'S MAKING $7.25 AN HOUR. 49:21.494 --> 49:24.497 BUT THEY'RE ALSO STARTING JOBS AND THEY'RE STARTING TO 49:24.497 --> 49:28.935 UNDERSTAND PAYING TAXES AND BEING ON TIME AND THE DISCIPLINE 49:28.935 --> 49:31.037 OF A JOB AND WORK. 49:31.037 --> 49:32.505 >> MR. BALUKOFF YOU WANTED TO RESPOND TO THAT? 49:32.505 --> 49:34.974 >> GOVERNOR OTTER, ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THAT PARENTS PUT 49:34.974 --> 49:37.143 THEIR KIDS TO WORK TO MAKE ENDS MEET? 49:37.143 --> 49:38.878 IS THAT THE ECONOMIC PLAN? 49:38.878 --> 49:41.481 >> NO, THAT IS NOT THE ECONOMIC PLAN AND YOU KNOW -- 49:41.481 --> 49:44.851 >> I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT WE ARE NOT THE FIFTH FASTEST 49:44.851 --> 49:45.585 GROWING ECONOMY. 49:45.585 --> 49:49.322 THERE ARE THREE STATES, ONLY THREE STATES, WHOSE ECONOMY IS 49:49.322 --> 49:55.261 GROWING SLOWER THAN IDAHO'S, FROM 2006 TO 2013, IDAHO'S 49:55.261 --> 50:02.702 ECONOMY GROW 1.4% WHEN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE WAS 2.5%. 50:02.702 --> 50:06.973 SO WE ARE NOT GROWING IN THE MOST ROBUST WAY. 50:06.973 --> 50:08.441 WE'RE BARELY GETTING BY. 50:08.441 --> 50:14.080 OUR GROSS NATIONAL PRODUCT IS STILL UNDER $51 BILLION. 50:14.080 --> 50:15.448 >> MR. BUJAK, YOU WANTED TO RESPOND? 50:15.448 --> 50:18.818 >> THIS IS AGAIN TO MY POINT FROM MY OPENING. 50:18.818 --> 50:21.121 WE NEED TO GET ACCESS TO THE LAND. 50:21.121 --> 50:23.823 YOU LOOK AT HIGHER PAYING JOBS IN IDAHO AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE 50:23.823 --> 50:27.460 RELATED TO GETTING ACCESS TO THOSE NATURAL RESOURCES, 50:27.460 --> 50:30.830 LOGGING, MINING, SO WE CAN TAKE A FASTER PACE LIKE THE OTHER 50:30.830 --> 50:33.133 STATES THE GOVERNOR'S TALKED ABOUT. 50:33.133 --> 50:36.536 THAT'S HOW YOU GET IDAHO OUT OF THE SERVICE BASED INDUSTRY THAT 50:36.536 --> 50:37.671 WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. 50:37.671 --> 50:40.940 >> YOU HAD A QUESTION ROCKY? 50:40.940 --> 50:46.746 >> SO MR. BUJAK, THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD ABOUT THE FEDERAL 50:46.746 --> 50:47.113 LANDS. 50:47.113 --> 50:49.416 EVEN IF YOU WERE SUCCESSFUL, FIRST YOU'VE GOT TO WIN A COURT 50:49.416 --> 50:57.323 CASE THAT'S GOING TO TAKE YEARS AND THEN IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS 50:57.323 --> 51:00.260 CORRECT, THIS IS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF LANDS, IT'S GOING 51:00.260 --> 51:05.632 TO TAKE 10 TO 15 YEARS JUST TO GET THE FOREST INTO THE SHAPE 51:05.632 --> 51:08.001 THAT WE'LL START MAKING ANY MONEY ON THAT. 51:08.001 --> 51:09.869 AND IT'S GOING TO COST THE STATE A LOT OF MONEY. 51:09.869 --> 51:14.007 THAT'S A LONG WAY DOWN THE ROAD IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT AS AN 51:14.007 --> 51:15.608 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, ISN'T IT? 51:15.608 --> 51:19.079 >> I THINK YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ANGLES. 51:19.079 --> 51:20.447 YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE COURT. 51:20.447 --> 51:22.115 I THINK THAT'S THE LEAST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO IT. 51:22.115 --> 51:26.820 I THINK A BETTER WAY IS TO WORK COOPERATIVELY WITH OUR 51:26.820 --> 51:30.657 DELEGATION IN D.C. AND HAVE CONGRESS GIVE US ACCESS TO THOSE 51:30.657 --> 51:33.727 LANDS AND PROVE THAT WE CAN MANAGE IT IN A SUPERIOR WAY AND 51:33.727 --> 51:36.930 A RESPONSIBLE WAY SO THAT WE CAN BALANCE ECONOMIC GROWTH WITH 51:36.930 --> 51:39.566 RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES HERE IN IDAHO SO MAYBE IT'S A LONG 51:39.566 --> 51:41.568 PATH, BUT EVEN THE LONGEST JOURNEY STARTS WITH A SINGLE 51:41.568 --> 51:44.537 STEP AND IF YOU DO THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH LEVELING THE 51:44.537 --> 51:47.107 PLAYING FIELD FOR SMALL BUSINESS, WE CAN JUMP START THE 51:47.107 --> 51:50.744 ECONOMY THERE AND WORK TOWARDS THIS GOAL DOWN THE ROAD AND 51:50.744 --> 51:53.947 BRING IDAHO TO A BRIGHTER FUTURE. 51:53.947 --> 51:56.850 >> MR. BALUKOFF, DO YOU THINK THIS WOULD WORK? 51:56.850 --> 51:58.585 WHAT MR. BUJAK HAS OUTLINED? 51:58.585 --> 52:01.721 >> WE CANNOT AFFORD TO OWN THE FEDERAL LAND. 52:01.721 --> 52:06.326 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PAYS ALMOST $400 MILLION A YEAR TO 52:06.326 --> 52:08.628 MANAGE THE FEDERAL LANDS IN IDAHO. 52:08.628 --> 52:10.897 I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE WOULD GET THAT MONEY. 52:10.897 --> 52:14.901 YOU WOULD HAVE TO RAISE TAXES OR SELL OFF THE LAND. 52:14.901 --> 52:19.005 AND NEITHER ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS ARE GOOD. 52:19.005 --> 52:21.341 ONE OF THE REASONS MANY OF US LIVE IN IDAHO IS TO HAVE ACCESS 52:21.341 --> 52:22.609 TO THE PUBLIC LANDS. 52:22.609 --> 52:27.647 WE LIKE TO HUNT AND FISH AND CAMP AND HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE 52:27.647 --> 52:27.914 LANDS. 52:27.914 --> 52:31.251 IF YOU SELL THEM OFF, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE NO TRESPASSING 52:31.251 --> 52:33.720 SIGNS AND WE'LL HAVE OUR ACCESS CUT OFF. 52:33.720 --> 52:38.191 I THINK THAT WE CAN WORK COOPERATIVELY WITH THE FOREST 52:38.191 --> 52:46.933 SERVICE AND BE SUSTAINABLE ECONOMICALLY AND ECOLOGICALLY 52:46.933 --> 52:49.569 RESPONSIBLE TIMBER HARVEST, BUT IT'S A FOOL'S ERRAND TO TRY TO 52:49.569 --> 52:51.204 TAKE OVER OWNERSHIP OF THE FEDERAL LANDS. 52:51.204 --> 52:53.673 IF WE WANT TO GROW OUR ECONOMY, WE SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON THE 52:53.673 --> 52:56.209 SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALREADY HERE IN THE STATE OF 52:56.209 --> 52:56.409 IDAHO. 52:56.409 --> 53:00.714 WE HAVE 40,000 OF THEM AND WE KNOW THAT 80% OF NEW JOB GROWTH 53:00.714 --> 53:02.048 COMES FROM SMALL BUSINESS. 53:02.048 --> 53:06.252 IF WE CAN HELP THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES THRIVE AND GROW, AND 53:06.252 --> 53:10.523 JUST THINK, JUST 10% OF THEM ADDED ONE EMPLOYEE, THAT WOULD 53:10.523 --> 53:12.625 BE 4,000 NEW JOBS. 53:12.625 --> 53:15.695 AND IT WOULDN'T TAKE MONEY AND TAX BREAKS TO GET THOSE SMALL 53:15.695 --> 53:16.696 BUSINESSES TO GROW. 53:16.696 --> 53:20.633 WE CAN HELP THEM THROUGH PROVIDING THE RIGHT KIND OF 53:20.633 --> 53:24.270 COLLEGE AND HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES THAT THEY NEED TO HIRE 53:24.270 --> 53:28.274 AND WE CAN THEM WITH INFRASTRUCTURE, HELPING THEM TO 53:28.274 --> 53:31.344 FIND INFRASTRUCTURE TO ALLOW BUSINESSES IN THEIR COMMUNITIES 53:31.344 --> 53:32.379 TO GROW. 53:32.379 --> 53:41.087 I WAS TALKING WITH A NAMPA HIGH TECH FIRM WHO IS EXPERIENCING 53:41.087 --> 53:43.723 TREMENDOUS DEMAND AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND, BUT THEY CAN'T 53:43.723 --> 53:47.193 FIND THE GRADUATES THEY NEED IN IDAHO SO THAT COMPANY IS 53:47.193 --> 53:51.398 EXPANDING IN INDIANA BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY CAN FIND THE 53:51.398 --> 53:51.731 GRADUATES. 53:51.731 --> 53:54.567 WE SHOULD BE HELPING THAT COMPANY FIND THE GRADUATES HERE 53:54.567 --> 53:57.737 IN IDAHO SO THEY CAN EXPAND IN NAMPA. 53:57.737 --> 53:59.239 >> GOVERNOR OTTER YOU WANTED TO RESPOND? 53:59.239 --> 54:01.574 >> THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS. 54:01.574 --> 54:06.713 NUMBER ONE IT WAS INTERESTING THAT BALUKOFF HAD TO GO ALL THE 54:06.713 --> 54:10.784 WAY BACK TO FIND A YEAR WHERE IDAHO HAD MAYBE NOT PERFORMED AS 54:10.784 --> 54:12.052 WELL AS OTHERS. 54:12.052 --> 54:17.223 I'M TELLING YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE FIGURES FROM THE FEBRUARY OF 54:17.223 --> 54:22.262 2013 TO FEBRUARY OF 2014, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IDAHO IS THE 54:22.262 --> 54:26.433 FASTEST GROWING PERSONAL INCOME STATE IN THE UNITED STATES AND 54:26.433 --> 54:30.270 FIFTH FASTEST GROWING ECONOMY BEHIND THOSE OTHER STATES THAT 54:30.270 --> 54:31.438 HE MENTIONED. 54:31.438 --> 54:35.442 NOW, HE JUST MENTIONED ABOUT THIS FIRM MOVING TO INDIANA. 54:35.442 --> 54:42.248 I GOT A LETTER FROM THAT VERY FELLA BECAUSE A.J. HAD TALKED TO 54:42.248 --> 54:47.020 HIM ABOUT WE NEED TO RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE AND HE SAID THAT'S 54:47.020 --> 54:50.390 HOW I TRAIN MY PEOPLE UP, IN SOME CASES THAT'S HOW I TRAINED 54:50.390 --> 54:55.195 THEM UP, THEY GET TO GO TO CWI, BUT I CAN TRAIN THEM UP FOR THE 54:55.195 --> 54:56.029 DISCIPLINES THAT I NEED. 54:56.029 --> 54:59.666 I DON'T WANT TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM WAGE AND BY THE WAY, 54:59.666 --> 55:03.203 BUTCH, I'M NOT MOVING TO INDIANA. 55:03.203 --> 55:04.237 I GOT THE LETTER. 55:04.237 --> 55:05.605 I CAN SHOW YOU THE LETTER. 55:05.605 --> 55:07.340 >> DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT? 55:07.340 --> 55:09.943 >> THEY'VE ALREADY GOT A FACILITY IN INDIANA AND THEY'RE 55:09.943 --> 55:14.047 HIRING EMPLOYEES AND DOING THE MANUFACTURING IN INDIANA. 55:14.047 --> 55:15.782 >> MR. BUJAK, DID YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN? 55:15.782 --> 55:18.585 >> I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE FEDERAL LANDS ISSUE. 55:18.585 --> 55:22.155 MR. BALUKOFF WAS SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S 55:22.155 --> 55:24.891 ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE IN IDAHO BECAUSE OF THE HUGE PRICE TAG 55:24.891 --> 55:26.793 THAT GOES TO MANAGING THE LANDS. 55:26.793 --> 55:29.629 THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO BUILD THE ECONOMY WITH THAT ONE 55:29.629 --> 55:30.864 PIECE AND THEN MOVE ON FROM THERE. 55:30.864 --> 55:36.169 IF YOU TAKE IT BACK ALL AT ONCE IT'S GOING TO BANKRUPT THE 55:36.169 --> 55:37.904 STATE, BUT A PIECE AT A TIME AND WE CAN DO IT RESPONSIBLY AND 55:37.904 --> 55:39.339 MAKE IT HAPPEN FOR IDAHO. 55:39.339 --> 55:41.174 >> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 55:41.174 --> 55:45.612 AND UNDER THE NEW FARM BILL THAT WAS PASSED IN FEBRUARY, STATES 55:45.612 --> 55:48.081 WERE ASKED TAKE A LOOK AT THE FEDERAL LAND WITHIN YOUR STATE 55:48.081 --> 55:52.752 AND THOSE THAT ARE UNDER THREAT FROM DISEASE, BUG KILL OR 55:52.752 --> 55:56.456 OVERGROWTH, INVENTORY THOSE FOR US AND IF YOU'LL SHOW US CERTAIN 55:56.456 --> 56:00.226 SECTIONS WHICH IDAHO HAS ALREADY DONE, IF YOU'LL SHOW US CERTAIN 56:00.226 --> 56:02.929 SECTIONS WE WILL WORK OUT AN AGREEMENT FOR YOU TO MANAGE 56:02.929 --> 56:06.199 THOSE AND WHATEVER YOU CUT OFF, WHATEVER YOU TAKE OFF THE LAND, 56:06.199 --> 56:11.037 YOU CAN USE WITHIN YOUR OWN ECONOMY AND WE HAVE IDENTIFIED 56:11.037 --> 56:13.306 1,800,000 ACRES THAT HE CAN DO JUST THAT WITH. 56:13.306 --> 56:18.244 AND WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH OUR LANDS DEPARTMENT. 56:18.244 --> 56:20.413 SO BUJAK IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 56:20.413 --> 56:22.682 YOU'VE GOT TO PROVE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVE TO THE 56:22.682 --> 56:25.618 REST OF THE WORLD THAT A.J.'S WRONG, THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST 56:25.618 --> 56:28.321 GOING TO SELL OFF THE LANDS WILLY-NILLY. 56:28.321 --> 56:30.156 THAT YOU ARE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THOSE UNDER YOUR CONTROL 56:30.156 --> 56:31.691 AND YOUR ECONOMY. 56:31.691 --> 56:33.993 WHY WOULD WE TAKE CONTROL OF THEM AND THEN GIVE CONTROL TO 56:33.993 --> 56:34.894 SOMEBODY ELSE? 56:34.894 --> 56:38.498 >> ALL RIGHT, ONE MORE QUESTION ON JOBS FROM KEVIN. 56:38.498 --> 56:40.900 >> MR. BALUKOFF, LET'S LOOP BACK TO THE ECONOMY THAT WE HAVE NOW 56:40.900 --> 56:43.636 AND THE METRICS THAT WE HAVE NOW. 56:43.636 --> 56:46.706 THROUGHOUT THIS CAMPAIGN YOU'VE CITED A LITANY OF STATISTICS 56:46.706 --> 56:50.276 THAT SUGGEST THAT THE ECONOMY IS STAGNATING OR WORSE. 56:50.276 --> 56:55.115 SO LET'S FAST FORWARD A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND LET'S SAY YOU'RE 56:55.115 --> 56:59.185 ELECTED GOVERNOR AND YOU'RE MEETING WITH A CEO OF ANOTHER 56:59.185 --> 56:59.552 STATE. 56:59.552 --> 57:05.492 WHAT STATISTICS WILL YOU SAY SHOW IDAHO IS A GOOD PLACE TO 57:05.492 --> 57:05.759 INVEST? 57:05.759 --> 57:06.826 ARE THERE ANY? 57:06.826 --> 57:09.229 >> YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICS THAT INDICATE WE'VE GOT A GOOD 57:09.229 --> 57:10.030 VIBRANT ECONOMY. 57:10.030 --> 57:12.565 WHAT'S THE PER CAPITA ECONOMY? 57:12.565 --> 57:14.300 IS THAT RISING? 57:14.300 --> 57:17.604 ARE FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS ABLE TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILY ON 57:17.604 --> 57:22.842 WHAT THEY'RE EARNING OR DO THEY HAVE TO WORK TWO OR THREE JOBS? 57:22.842 --> 57:24.678 YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE JOBS THAT ARE BEING ADDED. 57:24.678 --> 57:26.680 ARE THEY GOOD-PAYING JOBS? 57:26.680 --> 57:29.516 ARE WE HELPING THE SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE STATE, AROUND 57:29.516 --> 57:30.784 THE STATE TO GROW? 57:30.784 --> 57:35.789 ARE WE GROWING ACROSS THE STATE OR JUST ONE LITTLE ECONOMIC OR 57:35.789 --> 57:37.857 GEOGRAPHIC SECTOR OF THE STATE? 57:37.857 --> 57:42.696 SO WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE ECONOMIC INDICATORS THAT WOULD INDICATE 57:42.696 --> 57:47.067 WHETHER WE ARE GROWING AND GROWING AT A FAST ENOUGH RATE. 57:47.067 --> 57:49.803 YOU KNOW, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ANY SIGNIFICANT 57:49.803 --> 57:53.807 PROGRESS UNTIL WE GET OUR SCHOOLS OFF THE BOTTOM. 57:53.807 --> 57:57.610 WE HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD REPUTATION IN THE STATE OF 57:57.610 --> 57:57.811 IDAHO. 57:57.811 --> 58:03.450 WE HAVE TO HAVE THE KIND OF SCHOOLS THAT ARE NOT ONLY 58:03.450 --> 58:07.687 PRODUCING THE KINDS OF GRADUATES THAT COMPANIES WANT TO HIRE, BUT 58:07.687 --> 58:10.490 THE KIND OF SCHOOLS PARENTS WANT TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO. 58:10.490 --> 58:14.294 THEY HAVE TO BE PREPARING THE KIDS FOR WORK AFTER HIGH SCHOOL. 58:14.294 --> 58:18.198 THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS TRULY MAKE EDUCATION THE TOP 58:18.198 --> 58:21.968 PRIORITY AND FUND IT PROPERLY AND GET A GOOD REPUTATION FOR 58:21.968 --> 58:24.037 THE SCHOOLS ALL ACROSS THE STATE. 58:24.037 --> 58:28.241 AND WHEN WE DO THAT, THAT SHOULD HELP THE ECONOMY GROW AND IT 58:28.241 --> 58:31.678 WILL HELP COMPANIES FIND THE WORKERS THAT THEY NEED TO THRIVE 58:31.678 --> 58:32.212 AND GROW. 58:32.212 --> 58:35.215 >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR ALL THREE OF YOU IF YOU COULD 58:35.215 --> 58:37.317 ANSWER IN 10 SECONDS OR ELSE. 58:37.317 --> 58:40.620 HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET HIGHER PAYING JOBS IN IDAHO? 58:40.620 --> 58:41.855 GOVERNOR OTTER? 58:41.855 --> 58:43.857 >> WE ARE GETTING THEM. 58:43.857 --> 58:50.330 HORCHATA JUST ADDED 35 JOBS IN SAND POINT, IDAHO. 58:50.330 --> 58:57.270 WE JUST GOT AMY'S KITCHEN FOR POTENTIALLY 1,000 JOBS IN 58:57.270 --> 58:57.537 POCATELLO. 58:57.537 --> 59:02.008 WHAT IS IT, SKY WEST JUST ANNOUNCED THEIR NEW SATELLITE 59:02.008 --> 59:03.176 RIGHT HERE IN IDAHO. 59:03.176 --> 59:09.382 SO ALL OF THOSE ARE PRETTY GOOD-PAYING JOBS. 59:09.382 --> 59:13.486 AND WHEN BUSINESSES RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A GOOD, SAFE PLACE 59:13.486 --> 59:18.658 TO PUT CAPITAL BECAUSE IDAHO'S PREDICTABLE AND WHAT WE HAVE IS 59:18.658 --> 59:21.828 SUSTAINABLE, THEY'RE GOING TO COME. 59:21.828 --> 59:22.228 >> MR. BUJAK? 59:22.228 --> 59:25.465 >> I THINK THE KEY IS GROWING SMALL BUSINESS, NOT ATTRACTING 59:25.465 --> 59:27.767 BIG BUSINESS WITH SPECIAL INTEREST TAX EXEMPTIONS. 59:27.767 --> 59:29.869 THAT'S BEEN DISASTROUS IN THE PAST. 59:29.869 --> 59:32.839 THE GOVERNOR REMEMBERS THE HOKU PLANT THAT WAS A BUST. 59:32.839 --> 59:36.242 IT EATS UP A LOT OF MONEY AND ECONOMISTS WILL TELL YOU THAT 59:36.242 --> 59:37.143 DOESN'T WORK. 59:37.143 --> 59:40.847 SO IT'S BUILDING SMALL BUSINESS AND THEN AGAIN GETTING 59:40.847 --> 59:48.254 MANUFACTURING AND ENERGY EXPORTING JOBS. 59:48.254 --> 59:48.688 >> MR. BALUKOFF. 59:48.688 --> 59:52.325 >> PROPERLY FUNDING OUR SCHOOLS SO THEY ARE PRODUCING THE 59:52.325 --> 59:54.894 GRADUATES THAT COMPANIES NEED, FOCUSING ON THE SMALL BUSINESSES 59:54.894 --> 59:59.366 THAT ARE ALREADY HERE IN IDAHO. 59:59.366 --> 01:00:03.603 THE GOVERNOR'S ECONOMIC PLAN OF TAX BREAKS AND CHEAP LABOR IS 01:00:03.603 --> 01:00:06.806 NOT A GOOD LONG-TERM PLAN FOR GROWING THE ECONOMY. 01:00:06.806 --> 01:00:11.745 >> ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT QUESTION IS FROM ROCKY BARKER FOR 01:00:11.745 --> 01:00:12.445 MR. BUJAK. 01:00:12.445 --> 01:00:15.248 >> MR. BUJAK, YOU SAID YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT TRANSPORTATION. 01:00:15.248 --> 01:00:17.717 BUT YOU WANT TO FIND EXISTING FUNDING TO FILL THE NEED. 01:00:17.717 --> 01:00:21.888 THAT SEEMS TO BE YOUR SOLUTION TO ALL OF IDAHO'S FUNDING WOES 01:00:21.888 --> 01:00:23.923 BUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO CUT? 01:00:23.923 --> 01:00:25.992 TRANSPORTATION'S REALLY BEEN A TOUGH ISSUE FOR US. 01:00:25.992 --> 01:00:30.997 WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ROADS AND BRIDGES THAT ARE IN TROUBLE. 01:00:30.997 --> 01:00:35.402 CAN WE CUT MORE FROM THAT? 01:00:35.402 --> 01:00:38.371 >> AND I DON'T KNOW -- YOU LOOK AT ME AND SAY YOU'RE A SLASH AND 01:00:38.371 --> 01:00:39.739 CUT KIND OF A GUY. 01:00:39.739 --> 01:00:44.044 I JUST AM NOT INCLINED TO INCREASE TAXES OR FEES WITHOUT 01:00:44.044 --> 01:00:47.580 TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT'S ALREADY BEING SPENT AND COMING UP WITH A 01:00:47.580 --> 01:00:48.481 MORE EFFICIENT MODEL. 01:00:48.481 --> 01:00:52.118 AS I TRAVEL AROUND THE STATE AND I REALIZE THAT GOVERNOR OTTER 01:00:52.118 --> 01:00:53.953 SAID HISTORICALLY MAINTAINING OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IS A 01:00:53.953 --> 01:00:57.691 BIG DEAL AND WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THAT. 01:00:57.691 --> 01:01:00.493 BUT THAT'S NOT THE PREDOMINANT ISSUE ON THE VOTERS' MINDS 01:01:00.493 --> 01:01:03.697 AROUND THE STATE, AND I THINK THAT HAVING THE MONEY TO FIX 01:01:03.697 --> 01:01:06.232 ROADS OR INVEST IN OTHER PROJECTS IS GOING TO BE DIRECTLY 01:01:06.232 --> 01:01:09.336 RELATED TO GROWING THAT PIE AND GROWING THE PIE ISN'T ABOUT 01:01:09.336 --> 01:01:10.704 RAISING FEES AND TAXES. 01:01:10.704 --> 01:01:16.810 IT'S ABOUT STIMULATING THE ECONOMY AND GROWING OUR ABILITY 01:01:16.810 --> 01:01:18.912 TO SPEND BASED ON THAT ECONOMY. 01:01:18.912 --> 01:01:24.017 >> THE NEXT QUESTION IS FOR MR. BALUKOFF FROM ROCKY. 01:01:24.017 --> 01:01:28.655 >> A SURVEY OF IDAHOANS SAID THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ROADS 01:01:28.655 --> 01:01:32.292 AND BRIDGES, BUT THEY'RE GUN SHY ABOUT PAYING MORE TAXES. 01:01:32.292 --> 01:01:33.460 WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? 01:01:33.460 --> 01:01:33.660 IN. 01:01:33.660 --> 01:01:38.131 >> GOVERNOR OTTER'S FIRST TERM, HE TRIED TO RAISE THE GAS TAX 01:01:38.131 --> 01:01:40.300 AND THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WOULDN'T LET HIM. 01:01:40.300 --> 01:01:42.002 THAT POINTS OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. 01:01:42.002 --> 01:01:44.404 FIRST OF ALL, THE GOVERNOR DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO RAISE 01:01:44.404 --> 01:01:44.671 TAXES. 01:01:44.671 --> 01:01:48.008 THAT HAPPENS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. 01:01:48.008 --> 01:01:54.280 THE SECOND THING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IS GOVERNOR OTTER 01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:55.648 CLAIMS TO BE BALANCING THE BUDGET. 01:01:55.648 --> 01:01:59.619 WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE THAT REQUIRES A BALANCED BUDGET 01:01:59.619 --> 01:02:03.690 AND THAT'S A REQUIREMENT ON WHOEVER IS IN THE GOVERNOR'S 01:02:03.690 --> 01:02:06.259 CHAIR AND WHOEVER IS IN THE LEGISLATURE, YOU HAVE TO BALANCE 01:02:06.259 --> 01:02:08.495 THE BUDGET. 01:02:08.495 --> 01:02:11.531 AND ALTHOUGH GOVERNOR OTTER MAY HAVE TECHNICALLY BALANCED THE 01:02:11.531 --> 01:02:14.868 BUDGET ON PAPER, WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE UNDERFUNDING OF 01:02:14.868 --> 01:02:19.072 SCHOOLS AND THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON ROADS AND 01:02:19.072 --> 01:02:23.076 BRIDGES, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE IS LIKE TAKING ON DEBT, BECAUSE 01:02:23.076 --> 01:02:25.278 SOMEBODY'S GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THE REPAIR OF THOSE ROADS 01:02:25.278 --> 01:02:27.647 AND BRIDGES IN THE FUTURE. 01:02:27.647 --> 01:02:30.350 AND WE NEED TO FACE UP TO THAT FACT AND HAVE THE CONVERSATION 01:02:30.350 --> 01:02:35.121 OF HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY THE MAINTENANCE ON ROADS AND BRIDGES 01:02:35.121 --> 01:02:38.191 AND OVER WHAT PERIOD OF TIME WILL IT TAKE AND HOW ARE PEOPLE 01:02:38.191 --> 01:02:39.826 WILLING TO PAY FOR THAT? 01:02:39.826 --> 01:02:44.030 AND ONCE WE'RE DOING THAT, THEN WE WILL TRULY BALANCE THE 01:02:44.030 --> 01:02:47.734 BUDGET, BUT AS LONG AS WE IGNORE THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND THE 01:02:47.734 --> 01:02:52.305 DETERIORATING ROADS AND BRIDGES, WE ARE NOT REALLY BALANCING THE 01:02:52.305 --> 01:02:52.572 BUDGET. 01:02:52.572 --> 01:02:55.108 EVEN THOUGH YOUR PAPERS MAY SAY YOU ARE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY 01:02:55.108 --> 01:02:56.943 BALANCING THE BUDGET. 01:02:56.943 --> 01:02:58.778 >> YOU HAD A QUESTION FOR GOVERNOR OTTER? 01:02:58.778 --> 01:03:01.681 >> GOVERNOR OTTER, LET'S GET BACK TO THAT. 01:03:01.681 --> 01:03:03.983 THAT WAS THE CENTERPIECE OF THE 2009 SESSION. 01:03:03.983 --> 01:03:06.319 THAT WAS YOUR SHOWDOWN WITH THE LEGISLATURE. 01:03:06.319 --> 01:03:10.857 NOTHING MUCH HAS HAPPENED IN TERMS OF FUNDING HIGHWAYS AND 01:03:10.857 --> 01:03:13.059 TRANSPORTATION SINCE THEN. 01:03:13.059 --> 01:03:19.366 ARE WE NOT FIVE YEARS FURTHER BEHIND THAN WE ARE IN 2009? 01:03:19.366 --> 01:03:25.271 >> YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE -- THAT WAS ACTUALLY '08 01:03:25.271 --> 01:03:26.806 AND '09. 01:03:26.806 --> 01:03:30.877 WE WERE GOING INTO THE RECESSION, THERE WAS A LOT OF 01:03:30.877 --> 01:03:32.645 CONCERN FROM THE LEGISLATURE ABOUT ADDING MORE TO THE 01:03:32.645 --> 01:03:33.380 GASOLINE TAX. 01:03:33.380 --> 01:03:38.651 I LOOKED BACK ON THAT TODAY AND THE LAST TIME THAT I ASKED FOR 2 01:03:38.651 --> 01:03:47.660 CENTS FOR A GAS TAX INCREASE, THE GASOLINE WAS $1.39 A GALLON. 01:03:47.660 --> 01:03:51.097 I HOPE WE'RE HEADED BACK THERE AGAIN BECAUSE I SEE NATIONWIDE 01:03:51.097 --> 01:03:56.036 IT'S ABOUT $3 AND A PENNY TODAY AVERAGE. 01:03:56.036 --> 01:03:59.506 BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S REAL INTERESTING BECAUSE THE FIRST 01:03:59.506 --> 01:04:03.043 THING I HEARD BALUKOFF SAY WAS I'M GOING TO RID OF ALL THE 01:04:03.043 --> 01:04:05.412 WASTE AND I'LL HAVE MORE MONEY. 01:04:05.412 --> 01:04:10.083 AND THE FIRST THING THAT WE WENT THROUGH BEFORE WE ASKED FOR ANY 01:04:10.083 --> 01:04:14.788 MORE MONEY FOR TRANSPORTATION WAS WE MADE THEM GO THROUGH AND 01:04:14.788 --> 01:04:18.958 ZERO BASE BUDGETING BASICALLY AND SAID HOW ARE YOU SPENDING 01:04:18.958 --> 01:04:20.160 EVERY DOLLAR? 01:04:20.160 --> 01:04:26.266 WE TOOK OUT $51 MILLION OF COSTS THAT WE HAD BECAUSE WE DECIDED 01:04:26.266 --> 01:04:32.072 WE WEREN'T BOTH TIP TOE OUTSIDE THE FOG LINE. 01:04:32.072 --> 01:04:37.344 THERE WAS SOME OTHER ECONOMIES THAT WE FOUND AND WE FOUND $51 01:04:37.344 --> 01:04:40.814 MILLION BEFORE I WENT TO THE LEGISLATURE AND ASKED FOR MONEY. 01:04:40.814 --> 01:04:43.650 THAT'S EXACTLY WHEN WE LOOK AT WHERE WE'VE GOT TO FIND MONEY 01:04:43.650 --> 01:04:48.621 AND ROCKY, THE POLL WASN'T EXACTLY THAT WAY. 01:04:48.621 --> 01:04:52.926 IT SAID THE LOCAL DISTRICTS, THE CITIES AND COUNTIES, ROADS WERE 01:04:52.926 --> 01:04:53.259 TERRIBLE. 01:04:53.259 --> 01:04:55.195 IT SAID THE STATES WEREN'T THAT BAD. 01:04:55.195 --> 01:04:59.866 BUT IN 10 YEARS, THEY WERE GOING TO BE BAD. 01:04:59.866 --> 01:05:03.470 SO THAT POLL GIVES US TWO SIGNALS, BUT THE BIGGEST SIGNAL 01:05:03.470 --> 01:05:06.306 WAS YES, WE NEED TO RAISE MONEY BUT DON'T TAX MONEY. 01:05:06.306 --> 01:05:09.409 >> MR. BUJAK, YOU WANTED YOU WANTED TO RESPOND? 01:05:09.409 --> 01:05:12.612 >> YOU TALK ABOUT ALTERNATIVE FORMS OF FUNDING AND ONE THING 01:05:12.612 --> 01:05:17.417 WE NEED TO LOOK AT, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS YOU CAN ADJUST THE 01:05:17.417 --> 01:05:20.153 MODELS THAT GOVERNMENT USES IN ORDER TO GET MONEY. 01:05:20.153 --> 01:05:23.323 ONE WOULD BE THE PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 01:05:23.323 --> 01:05:26.426 IDAHO IS REALLY WELL RUN, AND IT'S USED NOT JUST FOR THE STATE 01:05:26.426 --> 01:05:29.095 LEVEL GOVERNMENTS, BUT FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AS WELL AND THEY 01:05:29.095 --> 01:05:30.964 TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT ECONOMY OF SCALE. 01:05:30.964 --> 01:05:33.867 WE COULD DO THE SAME THING WITH HEALTH INSURANCE HERE IN IDAHO 01:05:33.867 --> 01:05:37.270 AND NOT HAVE SEPARATE CONTRACTS FOR THE DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT 01:05:37.270 --> 01:05:37.604 AGENCIES. 01:05:37.604 --> 01:05:42.442 LET'S PUT STATE AND EDUCATION INSURANCE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT 01:05:42.442 --> 01:05:45.111 INSURANCE ALL UNDER ONE UMBRELLA, NEGOTIATE A MORE 01:05:45.111 --> 01:05:50.283 FAVORABLE CONTRACT, MAYBE ADJUST THE PREMIUM ON THE POLICY AND 01:05:50.283 --> 01:05:53.186 SUPPLEMENT IT WITH HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS AND WE COULD 01:05:53.186 --> 01:05:55.288 SAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THERE, AS WELL. 01:05:55.288 --> 01:05:58.958 THERE'S WAYS WE CAN THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND GENERATE 01:05:58.958 --> 01:05:59.759 MORE INCOME. 01:05:59.759 --> 01:06:02.862 >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON. 01:06:02.862 --> 01:06:08.768 SO IF THAT'S WORK, FAILING THAT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD BE 01:06:08.768 --> 01:06:12.405 WILLING TO LOOK INTO INCREASING THE GAS TAX? 01:06:12.405 --> 01:06:16.609 >> IF THERE ARE NO OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE, IF THERE'S NO WAY TO 01:06:16.609 --> 01:06:19.779 SQUEEZE THE MONEY OUT OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK 01:06:19.779 --> 01:06:22.415 AT THAT OPTION, BUT IT'S NOT ONE I WOULD FAVOR AND IT WOULD A 01:06:22.415 --> 01:06:24.517 COURSE OF LAST RESORT. 01:06:24.517 --> 01:06:26.252 >> SAME QUESTION FOR YOU GOVERNOR OTTER. 01:06:26.252 --> 01:06:28.521 >> YOU USED THE RIGHT WORD, SQUEEZE. 01:06:28.521 --> 01:06:29.522 I TRIED IT. 01:06:29.522 --> 01:06:34.327 I'VE TRIED IT TWICE. 01:06:34.327 --> 01:06:37.097 THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS AND THROUGH THE POLLING THAT ROCKY 01:06:37.097 --> 01:06:40.367 JUST REFERRED TO, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID YES, WE NEED MORE 01:06:40.367 --> 01:06:43.703 MONEY, BUT WHEN THE QUESTION CAME DOWN WELL WHO DO WE TAX AND 01:06:43.703 --> 01:06:45.171 WHAT DO WE TAX? 01:06:45.171 --> 01:06:48.174 IT WAS ALWAYS TAX EVERYBODY, BUT ME. 01:06:48.174 --> 01:06:49.743 DON'T TAX ME. 01:06:49.743 --> 01:06:53.713 TAX THE GUY BEHIND THE TREE. 01:06:53.713 --> 01:06:55.715 AND THAT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC. 01:06:55.715 --> 01:06:59.119 THAT'S WHY THE HOUSE AND SENATE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEES ARE 01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:02.222 TAKING UP THAT POLL RIGHT NOW AND THEY'RE GOING TO START 01:07:02.222 --> 01:07:07.227 HAVING HEARINGS ON IT TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHERE WE GET THE 01:07:07.227 --> 01:07:07.460 MONEY. 01:07:07.460 --> 01:07:09.763 I DON'T THINK -- I CAN TELL YOU THIS FOR SURE. 01:07:09.763 --> 01:07:17.137 I AM NOT GOING TO BE PART OF TAKING MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL 01:07:17.137 --> 01:07:20.607 FUND BECAUSE IT HAPPENS TO BE SPENT ON SOME TRANSPORTATION 01:07:20.607 --> 01:07:20.840 THING. 01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:23.677 THERE'S A SCHOOL OF THOUGHT OUT THERE NOW THAT WHEN YOU BUY A 01:07:23.677 --> 01:07:28.615 TIRE FOR YOUR CAR OR YOU HAVE YOUR CAR SERVICED FOR OIL AND 01:07:28.615 --> 01:07:30.984 FILTER CHANGE, YOU PAY SALES TAX ON THAT. 01:07:30.984 --> 01:07:34.054 AND THERE'S A SCHOOL OF THOUGHT THAT THEY WANT THAT MONEY TO 01:07:34.054 --> 01:07:34.888 COME IN. 01:07:34.888 --> 01:07:37.791 YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE IT FROM EDUCATION, CORRECTIONS OR HEALTH 01:07:37.791 --> 01:07:41.094 AND WELFARE. 01:07:41.094 --> 01:07:45.532 AND I'M ONE A -- I'M A HUNTER. 01:07:45.532 --> 01:07:51.171 WHEN I GO TO A STORE AND BUY A SHOTGUN OR A FISH HOOK, I PAY 01:07:51.171 --> 01:07:52.339 SALES TAX ON THAT, TOO. 01:07:52.339 --> 01:07:55.508 WHY SHOULDN'T THAT GO TO THE FISH AND GAME? 01:07:55.508 --> 01:07:56.810 WHERE DO YOU STOP THAT? 01:07:56.810 --> 01:07:59.646 SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME COURAGE, AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE 01:07:59.646 --> 01:08:03.116 SOMEBODY THAT CAN WORK WITH THE LEGISLATURE IN ORDER TO SOLVE 01:08:03.116 --> 01:08:05.185 OUR TRANSPORTATION FUNDING PROBLEMS. 01:08:05.185 --> 01:08:09.823 >> THE NEXT QUESTION IS -- >> WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER 01:08:09.823 --> 01:08:11.958 A GAS TAX INCREASE? 01:08:11.958 --> 01:08:15.962 >> CONSIDERING THAT THE GAS TAX HAS NOT BEEN INCREASED SINCE 01:08:15.962 --> 01:08:17.864 1996 -- >> IS THAT A YES. 01:08:17.864 --> 01:08:24.871 >> 25 CENTS A GALLON, YES, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME PURCHASING 01:08:24.871 --> 01:08:28.608 POWER IT DID IN 1996, WE OUGHT TO TALK ABOUT THAT OR PERHAPS 01:08:28.608 --> 01:08:35.949 VEHICLE REGISTRATION FEES BECAUSE THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH. 01:08:35.949 --> 01:08:41.621 >> THE NEXT QUESTION IS FOR YOU MR. BALUKOFF FROM BETSY RUSSELL. 01:08:41.621 --> 01:08:46.693 >> MR. BALUKOFF, WHAT ROLE WOULD YOU TAKE ON THE ADD THE WORDS 01:08:46.693 --> 01:08:52.165 LEGISLATION, TO AMEND THE IDAHO HUMAN RIGHTS ACT TO ADD THE 01:08:52.165 --> 01:08:54.801 WORDS SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER IDENTITY AND TO BAN 01:08:54.801 --> 01:08:56.803 DISCRIMINATION ON THOSE BASES? 01:08:56.803 --> 01:08:59.839 >> WELL PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR A HEARING FOR EIGHT YEARS 01:08:59.839 --> 01:09:04.444 AND THEY'VE BEEN STONE WALLED BY THE LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR 01:09:04.444 --> 01:09:06.846 HASN'T SHOWN LEADERSHIP ON ALLOWING THOSE PEOPLE TO HAVE A 01:09:06.846 --> 01:09:08.648 HEARING TO ADD THE WORDS. 01:09:08.648 --> 01:09:10.583 I'M IN FAVOR OF HAVING THE HEARING. 01:09:10.583 --> 01:09:12.285 I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD ADD THE WORDS. 01:09:12.285 --> 01:09:15.321 IT'S JUST MAKING A STATEMENT THAT WE BELIEVE IN TREATING ALL 01:09:15.321 --> 01:09:21.394 PEOPLE WITH FAIRNESS AND RESPECT AND OUR REFUSAL TO ADD THE WORDS 01:09:21.394 --> 01:09:23.596 IS HURTING IDAHO'S REPUTATION. 01:09:23.596 --> 01:09:28.301 WE HAVE NINE CITIES AROUND THE STATE NOW THAT HAVE ON THEIR OWN 01:09:28.301 --> 01:09:31.037 PASSED ORDINANCES TO DO THAT VERY THING. 01:09:31.037 --> 01:09:34.574 SO IT SEEMS ONLY REASONABLE THAT WE OUGHT TO GIVE THE HEARING AND 01:09:34.574 --> 01:09:39.612 I'M IN FAVOR OF ADDING THE WORDS AND I WOULD SHOW SOME LEADERSHIP 01:09:39.612 --> 01:09:40.714 ON THAT. 01:09:40.714 --> 01:09:42.882 >> THE NEXT QUESTION FROM BETSY? 01:09:42.882 --> 01:09:45.685 >> GOVERNOR OTTER, YOU'VE SAID THAT THE ADD THE WORDS ISSUE IS 01:09:45.685 --> 01:09:48.521 UP TO THE LEGISLATURE, BUT YOU HAVEN'T SAID WHERE YOU STAND. 01:09:48.521 --> 01:09:51.691 DO YOU BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE IN IDAHO SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE FIRED 01:09:51.691 --> 01:09:55.428 FROM THEIR JOBS OR EVICTED FROM THEIR HOMES SOLELY BECAUSE THEY 01:09:55.428 --> 01:09:57.263 ARE GAY? 01:09:57.263 --> 01:10:00.967 >> BETSY FIRST OFF, I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY IN IDAHO IS IN 01:10:00.967 --> 01:10:04.804 FAVOR OF DISCRIMINATION AND FOR ANYBODY TO SUGGEST THAT THEY ARE 01:10:04.804 --> 01:10:09.175 I BELIEVE THEY'RE DEAD WRONG AND THEY DON'T REALLY APPRECIATE THE 01:10:09.175 --> 01:10:11.911 VALUE THAT WE HAVE IN IDAHO FOR HUMANKIND. 01:10:11.911 --> 01:10:14.180 NUMBER ONE. 01:10:14.180 --> 01:10:19.252 NUMBER TWO, WHEN THE WHOLE ISSUE CAME UP DURING THE LAST 01:10:19.252 --> 01:10:21.388 LEGISLATIVE ISSUE TWICE I MET WITH THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE ASKING 01:10:21.388 --> 01:10:22.522 FOR A HEARING. 01:10:22.522 --> 01:10:27.827 TWICE WE SAT DOWN AND THEY SAID THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. 01:10:27.827 --> 01:10:29.929 I THEN WENT TO THE LEGISLATIVE LEADERSHIP AND SAID, YOU KNOW, 01:10:29.929 --> 01:10:32.665 YOU GUYS OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT HAVING A HEARING. 01:10:32.665 --> 01:10:34.100 I CAN'T CALL A HEARING. 01:10:34.100 --> 01:10:38.638 I'M IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT AND WHEN THE ANTICS 01:10:38.638 --> 01:10:42.776 GOT SO FAR THEY FOUND PEOPLE HIDING IN CLOSETS, THEY WERE 01:10:42.776 --> 01:10:47.380 STOPPING THEM FROM DOING THEIR DUTIES, THEIR ELECTED DUTIES, I 01:10:47.380 --> 01:10:50.383 THINK THE LEGISLATURE JUST KIND OF BOWED THEIR NECK AND SAID IF 01:10:50.383 --> 01:10:52.585 THAT'S THE WAY YOU'RE GOING TO ACT, IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU'RE 01:10:52.585 --> 01:10:55.755 GOING TO ACT JUST ASKING FOR THIS TO HAPPEN, WHAT ARE YOU 01:10:55.755 --> 01:10:59.325 GOING TO DO IF WE DO LET IT HAPPEN? 01:10:59.325 --> 01:11:03.163 >> GOVERNOR, IF THAT BILL WERE TO PASS, WOULD YOU SIGN IT? 01:11:03.163 --> 01:11:04.898 >> IF THAT BILL WERE TO PASS. 01:11:04.898 --> 01:11:06.499 >> YOU WOULD SIGN IT? 01:11:06.499 --> 01:11:07.067 >> YES. 01:11:07.067 --> 01:11:09.703 >> THE NEXT QUESTION IS FOR MR. BUJAK. 01:11:09.703 --> 01:11:12.172 >> MR. BUJAK, WHAT ROLE WOULD YOU TAKE IF YOU ARE GOVERNOR ON 01:11:12.172 --> 01:11:13.640 THE ADD THE WORDS ISSUE? 01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:14.908 >> IT NEEDS TO HAVE A HEARING. 01:11:14.908 --> 01:11:17.377 IT REALLY OFFENDED ME WHEN PEOPLE CAME INTO THE PEOPLE'S 01:11:17.377 --> 01:11:20.547 HOUSE, THEY ENDED UP BEING ARRESTED FOR WHAT I VIEWED AS 01:11:20.547 --> 01:11:22.449 THEM EXERCISING THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. 01:11:22.449 --> 01:11:26.119 IF THE LEGISLATURE HAD A HEARING AND SENT THAT ADD THE WORDS 01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:29.356 LEGISLATION TO MY DESK, I WOULD SIGN IT, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER 01:11:29.356 --> 01:11:31.558 ISSUE OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE NEED TO RECOGNIZE. 01:11:31.558 --> 01:11:35.729 THERE'S A GROUP OUT THERE THAT IS WORRIED THAT AS WE HAVE GAY 01:11:35.729 --> 01:11:42.569 RIGHTS EXPAND IN IDAHO IT'S GOING TO INFRINGE ON ANOTHER 01:11:42.569 --> 01:11:44.938 PORTION OF THE STATE THAT BELIEVES IN THEIR RELIGIOUS 01:11:44.938 --> 01:11:47.107 FREEDOMS AND THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTED. 01:11:47.107 --> 01:11:49.743 WE NEED TO HAVE A DIALOGUE ABOUT THAT AS A STATE AND THAT NEEDS 01:11:49.743 --> 01:11:51.845 TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S CARRIED ON OPENLY. 01:11:51.845 --> 01:11:53.847 WE CAN'T CONTINUE TYING MORE IT. 01:11:53.847 --> 01:11:56.683 I CAN TELL YOU HAVING BEEN PREVIOUSLY COUNCIL TO THE HUMAN 01:11:56.683 --> 01:12:00.086 RIGHTS COMMISSION, IDAHO DOESN'T HAVE A GOOD HISTORY ON 01:12:00.086 --> 01:12:00.520 DISCRIMINATION. 01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:02.856 THEY DON'T EMPOWER OUR HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION ENOUGH. 01:12:02.856 --> 01:12:08.695 THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE SUBPOENA POWER IN THIS STATE. 01:12:08.695 --> 01:12:11.531 PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE A FIRM LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SOME CHANGES IN 01:12:11.531 --> 01:12:15.068 IDAHO IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AN ANTIDISCRIMINATION STANCE AS A 01:12:15.068 --> 01:12:15.335 STATE. 01:12:15.335 --> 01:12:18.338 >> ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT QUESTION IS FROM KEVIN RICHARD FOR 01:12:18.338 --> 01:12:19.639 GOVERNOR OTTER. 01:12:19.639 --> 01:12:24.544 >> GOVERNOR OTTER, WE HAVE SPENT ABOUT $90,000 IN TAXPAYER MONEY 01:12:24.544 --> 01:12:29.282 AT THIS POINT FIGHTING THE GAY MARRIAGE ISSUE IN COURT. 01:12:29.282 --> 01:12:32.719 HOW MUCH MORE ARE YOU WILLING TO SPEND ON THIS AND DOES A TIME 01:12:32.719 --> 01:12:36.990 COME WHERE THE STATE HAS TO SAY THAT THE FIGHT IS OVER? 01:12:36.990 --> 01:12:38.925 >> WELL, I'M NOT READY TO SURRENDER THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE 01:12:38.925 --> 01:12:45.365 OF THE STATE OF IDAHO AS THEY EXPRESSED IT IN 2006 IN AN 01:12:45.365 --> 01:12:46.099 OVERWHELMING MAJORITY. 01:12:46.099 --> 01:12:51.471 I'M NOT READY TO SURRENDER THAT TO A FEW FOLKS IN BLACK ROBES. 01:12:51.471 --> 01:12:55.208 I THINK THOSE PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR THAT WERE VOTING FOR A VALUE 01:12:55.208 --> 01:12:59.679 THAT THEY HAD AND THEY WERE EXPRESSING THAT. 01:12:59.679 --> 01:13:03.883 MY JOB WHEN I RAISED MY HAND AND TOOK THE OATH OF OFFICE WAS TO 01:13:03.883 --> 01:13:05.885 DEFEND THE ENTIRE CONSTITUTION. 01:13:05.885 --> 01:13:09.155 NOW, IF THESE GENTLEMEN FEEL DIFFERENT ABOUT THAT, THEN THEY 01:13:09.155 --> 01:13:11.891 NEED TO BE PREPARED, THAT SHOULD THEY HAVE THE CHANCE TO TAKE THE 01:13:11.891 --> 01:13:17.330 OATH OF OFFICE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SAY EXCEPT THE BALANCED 01:13:17.330 --> 01:13:21.334 BUDGET, EXCEPT ARTICLE THREE SECTION 28 AND ANY OTHER PART OF 01:13:21.334 --> 01:13:24.704 THE CONSTITUTION THEY DON'T WANT TO DEFEND BUT THAT IS NOT A 01:13:24.704 --> 01:13:27.107 FEDERAL -- THAT IS NOT A DELEGATION OF A FEDERAL POWER. 01:13:27.107 --> 01:13:31.177 THAT IS A STATE POWER, THE POLICE POWER BELONGS TO THE 01:13:31.177 --> 01:13:33.613 STATE, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 01:13:33.613 --> 01:13:37.083 >> KEVIN YOUR NEXT QUESTION WAS FOR MR. BUJAK? 01:13:37.083 --> 01:13:39.652 >> I'M JUST WONDERING MR. BUJAK WHAT YOU FEEL THE GOVERNMENT'S 01:13:39.652 --> 01:13:43.823 ROLE IS IN THE INSTITUTION OF MARRIAGE AND THE CONTRACT OF 01:13:43.823 --> 01:13:44.124 MARRIAGE. 01:13:44.124 --> 01:13:46.926 >> YEAH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY GOVERNMENT GET OUT OF THE 01:13:46.926 --> 01:13:47.927 MARRIAGE BUSINESS. 01:13:47.927 --> 01:13:51.364 BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE HAVE LAWS IN THIS STATE CONCERNING 01:13:51.364 --> 01:13:53.299 MARRIAGE, WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT 01:13:53.299 --> 01:13:53.900 CONCERNING MARRIAGE. 01:13:53.900 --> 01:13:57.370 WHERE I DIFFER FROM THE GOVERNOR IS BEING A LAWYER I CAN TELL YOU 01:13:57.370 --> 01:14:00.040 THIS WAS A LOSING BATTLE OUT OF THE GATE IN THE FEDERAL COURT. 01:14:00.040 --> 01:14:03.143 A BETTER COURSE IF THE GOVERNOR HAD WANTED TO STAND FIRM WOULD 01:14:03.143 --> 01:14:09.349 BE TO FIND A GOOD ARGUMENT BASED ON STATE SOVEREIGNTY WHICH WE 01:14:09.349 --> 01:14:16.222 CAN'T BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ECONOMICALLY INDEPENDENT ENOUGH. 01:14:16.222 --> 01:14:18.792 AT THIS POINT, THE SHIP HAS SAILED. 01:14:18.792 --> 01:14:21.161 YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WIN THAT BATTLE IN THE FEDERAL COURTS. 01:14:21.161 --> 01:14:24.731 YOU MIGHT AS WELL START ARGUING ABOUT INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE IN 01:14:24.731 --> 01:14:25.699 IDAHO AT THIS POINT. 01:14:25.699 --> 01:14:29.969 IT'S JUST THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD IN THE COURT. 01:14:29.969 --> 01:14:34.074 >> YOU HAD A QUESTION FOR MR. BALUKOFF? 01:14:34.074 --> 01:14:35.275 >> MR. BALUKOFF, YOU HAD INDICATED THAT YOU THINK IT'S 01:14:35.275 --> 01:14:42.015 TIME TO DROP THIS ISSUE AND DROP THE LEGAL APPEALS ON THIS BUT 01:14:42.015 --> 01:14:45.885 DOESN'T THAT PUT YOU IN AN UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION SAYING 01:14:45.885 --> 01:14:50.757 WE'RE GOING TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH POPULARLY ELECTED AND 01:14:50.757 --> 01:14:53.293 APPROVED RATIFIED AMENDMENTS WE'RE GOING TO DEFEND? 01:14:53.293 --> 01:14:55.995 >> I DON'T THINK IT DOES BECAUSE BESIDES TAKING THE OATH TO 01:14:55.995 --> 01:15:00.333 DEFEND THE IDAHO CONSTITUTION, YOU ALSO TAKE AN OATH TO DEFEND 01:15:00.333 --> 01:15:03.503 THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND WE HAVE JUDGES, ALL OVER THE 01:15:03.503 --> 01:15:07.073 UNITED STATES, THAT HAVE FOUND SIMILAR TO THE JUDGE IN IDAHO 01:15:07.073 --> 01:15:11.411 AND TO THE JUDGE PANEL IN THE COURT OF APPEALS THAT HAVE SAID 01:15:11.411 --> 01:15:15.048 THAT THE IDAHO BAN ON GAY MARRIAGE VIOLATES THE UNITED 01:15:15.048 --> 01:15:17.250 STATES CONSTITUTION. 01:15:17.250 --> 01:15:21.221 THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN SETTLED IN THE COURT SYSTEM RIGHT NOW. 01:15:21.221 --> 01:15:25.058 AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WON IF WE CONTINUE TO FIGHT IT. 01:15:25.058 --> 01:15:29.062 GOVERNOR OTTER'S STANCE TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT THAT RULING 01:15:29.062 --> 01:15:34.334 REMINDS ME VERY MUCH OF WHAT HAPPENED IN 1957 IN ARKANSAS 01:15:34.334 --> 01:15:37.237 WHEN GOVERNOR CHAVEZ STOOD ON THE STEPS OF CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL 01:15:37.237 --> 01:15:42.008 TO TRY TO KEEP BLACK KIDS FROM ATTENDING CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL 01:15:42.008 --> 01:15:44.911 WITH THE WHITE KIDS OF CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL. 01:15:44.911 --> 01:15:48.281 HIS REPUTATION HAS BEEN TAINTED BY THE INCORRECT STANCE HE TOOK 01:15:48.281 --> 01:15:51.084 IN THE NAME OF STATES' RIGHTS. 01:15:51.084 --> 01:15:57.390 I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY TODAY THAT WOULD JUSTIFY OR TRY 01:15:57.390 --> 01:16:02.595 TO DEFEND RACIAL SEGREGATION IN THE NAME OF STATES' RIGHTS AND 01:16:02.595 --> 01:16:06.866 LOOKING BACK ON HISTORY DOWN THE ROAD WHEN PEOPLE LOOK BACK ON 01:16:06.866 --> 01:16:09.869 2014, AND SEE THE COURT REGULATION AND SEE GOVERNOR 01:16:09.869 --> 01:16:14.874 OTTER CONTINUING TO FIGHT THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION IN 01:16:14.874 --> 01:16:19.479 THE SAME OF STATES' RIGHTS, THAT WILL BE A BLEMISH ON HIS RECORD. 01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:23.717 >> WELL, THE DIFFERENCE IS AND QUITE FRANKLY A.J. DOESN'T 01:16:23.717 --> 01:16:26.986 UNDERSTAND THIS, AND THE ONE THAT HE QUOTED IN THE LAST 01:16:26.986 --> 01:16:30.990 DEBATE WAS THE 14th AMENDMENT, WHICH IS THE EQUAL PROTECTION 01:16:30.990 --> 01:16:32.992 CLAUSE OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. 01:16:32.992 --> 01:16:35.995 I'M QUOTING THE 10th AMENDMENT, THOSE POWERS NOT 01:16:35.995 --> 01:16:37.897 DELEGATED TO THE UNITED STATES BY THE CONSTITUTION NOR DENIED 01:16:37.897 --> 01:16:41.368 TO THE STATES BY IT OR RESERVED TO THE STATES RESPECTFULLY OR TO 01:16:41.368 --> 01:16:42.535 THE PEOPLE. 01:16:42.535 --> 01:16:45.705 THERE'S NOTHING IN THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION ABOUT MARRIAGE. 01:16:45.705 --> 01:16:50.110 THERE IS THE POLICE POWER BELONGS TO THE STATE OF IDAHO. 01:16:50.110 --> 01:16:53.646 >> THE 14th AMENDMENT REQUIRES EQUAL TREATMENT UNDER THE LAW 01:16:53.646 --> 01:16:56.549 AND WHEN YOU DISCRIMINATE AGAINST A GROUP OF PEOPLE AND 01:16:56.549 --> 01:16:59.552 DON'T HOLD THEM EQUAL UNDER THE LAW, YOU ARE VIOLATING THE 01:16:59.552 --> 01:17:02.122 UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. 01:17:02.122 --> 01:17:06.926 >> ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT QUESTION IS FROM ROCKY BARKER FOR 01:17:06.926 --> 01:17:07.660 MR. BUJAK. 01:17:07.660 --> 01:17:11.131 >> MR. BUJAK, YOU'RE OPPOSED TO EXPANDING MEDICAID. 01:17:11.131 --> 01:17:15.702 THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT IDAHO HAS A SERIOUS 01:17:15.702 --> 01:17:18.405 INDIGENT HEALTHCARE PROBLEM THAT'S COSTING COUNTIES A LOT OF 01:17:18.405 --> 01:17:18.672 MONEY. 01:17:18.672 --> 01:17:20.140 TELL US YOUR SOLUTION. 01:17:20.140 --> 01:17:21.574 >> THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. 01:17:21.574 --> 01:17:22.409 I DO HAVE A SOLUTION. 01:17:22.409 --> 01:17:25.045 IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WORKING IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON AND I 01:17:25.045 --> 01:17:28.081 RECOGNIZE THE STATE OF WASHINGTON HAS EXPANDED 01:17:28.081 --> 01:17:31.051 MEDICAID, BUT THEY HAVE A MODEL THAT THEY'RE USING THAT CAN BE 01:17:31.051 --> 01:17:34.154 USED IN THE STATE OF IDAHO WITH EXISTING FUNDS TO PROVIDE BETTER 01:17:34.154 --> 01:17:37.691 HEALTHCARE TO MORE PEOPLE WITH LESS COST TO THE STATE AND 01:17:37.691 --> 01:17:39.325 THAT'S THE DIRECT PRIMARY CARE MODEL. 01:17:39.325 --> 01:17:42.696 IT'S SOMETHING THAT DOCTORS HERE IN IDAHO HAVE ALREADY STARTED 01:17:42.696 --> 01:17:44.164 USING. 01:17:44.164 --> 01:17:50.804 IT'S SOMETHING THAT SENATOR THANE HAS INTRODUCED AND THE 01:17:50.804 --> 01:17:54.107 NOTION IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRIVATE COMPANY THAT HIRES 01:17:54.107 --> 01:17:57.911 DOCTORS, 600 TO 800 PATIENTS SO THEY'RE ABLE TO HAVE A GOOD 01:17:57.911 --> 01:18:00.480 PHYSICIAN-PATIENT RELATIONSHIP AND WORK ON PROACTIVE HEALTHCARE 01:18:00.480 --> 01:18:03.316 INSTEAD OF RESPONDING IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM WHEN PEOPLE COME 01:18:03.316 --> 01:18:03.850 IN. 01:18:03.850 --> 01:18:07.554 PEOPLE PAY BETWEEN 20 AND $80 A MONTH DEPENDING ON AGE AND THEY 01:18:07.554 --> 01:18:09.956 HAVE ALL OF THEIR PRIMARY CARE COVERED. 01:18:09.956 --> 01:18:12.392 THAT'S MUCH CHEAPER THAN WE CAN DO USING MEDICAID RIGHT NOW AND 01:18:12.392 --> 01:18:14.694 IF THERE'S SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC THAT HAPPENS, YOU 01:18:14.694 --> 01:18:17.664 DEAL WITH IT WITH THE WRAP-AROUND CATASTROPHIC POLICY 01:18:17.664 --> 01:18:20.767 AND YOU SUPPLEMENT WITH HEALTHCARE SAVINGS PLANS. 01:18:20.767 --> 01:18:22.502 AND IT'S WORKING IN WASHINGTON. 01:18:22.502 --> 01:18:27.307 IT COULD WORK HERE AND IF WE FUND IT, WE MAY BE SURPRISED AT 01:18:27.307 --> 01:18:30.610 JUST HOW FAR THOSE DOLLARS GO. 01:18:30.610 --> 01:18:33.880 THAT'S SOMETHING IDAHO NEEDS TO TRY BECAUSE IT'S A BETTER 01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:34.147 SOLUTION. 01:18:34.147 --> 01:18:39.486 IF YOU JUST EXPAND MEDICAID AND WE JUST PUT MORE FEDERAL MONEY 01:18:39.486 --> 01:18:42.956 THAT THE FETING DON'T HAVE AND MAY OR MAY NOT DEFUND IN THE 01:18:42.956 --> 01:18:46.159 FUTURE OR FORCE THE STATE TO BEAR MORE OF THE COSTS AND YOU 01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:49.696 TAKE THAT MONEY AND THROW IT AT A MODEL THAT'S BROKEN, YOU DON'T 01:18:49.696 --> 01:18:51.698 CREATE BETTER HEALTHCARE. 01:18:51.698 --> 01:18:53.600 >> MR. BALUKOFF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT? 01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:56.803 >> I WILL LIKE TO RESPOND QUICKLY. 01:18:56.803 --> 01:19:00.573 YOU KNOW, MOVING FROM A FEE FOR SERVICE MODEL TO MANAGEMENT OF 01:19:00.573 --> 01:19:03.376 POPULATION HEALTH IS WHERE HEALTHCARE IS MOVING BUT IN THE 01:19:03.376 --> 01:19:09.215 MEANTIME, WE DO NEED TO EXPAND MEDICAID COVERAGE TO COVER 01:19:09.215 --> 01:19:11.217 IDAHOANS WHO ARE NOT COVERED NOW. 01:19:11.217 --> 01:19:15.221 THE WAY WE PAY FOR THEIR HEALTHCARE RIGHT NOW IS THEY GO 01:19:15.221 --> 01:19:20.326 TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM AND THE COUNTY INDIGENT CARE FUNDS PICK 01:19:20.326 --> 01:19:23.129 UP THE FIRST $11,000 OF THAT BILL. 01:19:23.129 --> 01:19:26.700 IF IT'S MORE, THE CATASTROPHIC FUND PICKS UP THE BALANCE. 01:19:26.700 --> 01:19:30.770 WE ARE CURRENTLY PAYING BETWEEN 80 AND $90 MILLION A YEAR TO 01:19:30.770 --> 01:19:32.605 CARE FOR UNINSURED PEOPLE. 01:19:32.605 --> 01:19:36.509 IF WE EXPAND MEDICAID COVERAGE, WE WILL GET BACK SOME OF THE 01:19:36.509 --> 01:19:40.513 FEDERAL INCOME TAX WE PAY INTO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO CARE 01:19:40.513 --> 01:19:43.316 FOR UNINSURED PEOPLE WHO WILL THEN BE COVERED BY MEDICAID AND 01:19:43.316 --> 01:19:47.987 THAT WILL FREE UP MOST OF THAT 80 TO $90 MILLION A YEAR THAT WE 01:19:47.987 --> 01:19:49.489 ARE CURRENTLY PAYING -- >> ALL RIGHT. 01:19:49.489 --> 01:19:52.726 >> THAT MONEY CAN BE USED FOR EDUCATION OR WHATEVER THE HIGHER 01:19:52.726 --> 01:19:53.426 PRIORITIES WOULD BE. 01:19:53.426 --> 01:19:57.497 >> WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME FOR GOVERNOR OTTER TO RESPOND 01:19:57.497 --> 01:19:57.731 BRIEFLY. 01:19:57.731 --> 01:19:59.899 >> WELL, I AGREE WITH JOHN. 01:19:59.899 --> 01:20:05.505 I THINK EVERY PRIVATE SECTOR THAT WE COULD LOOK AT, EVERY 01:20:05.505 --> 01:20:07.907 PRIVATE -- LET'S EXHAUST ALL OF THE POSSIBILITIES. 01:20:07.907 --> 01:20:11.644 IN FACT, I WOULD TELL YOU, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A TOUGH STRUGGLE 01:20:11.644 --> 01:20:16.182 WHEN WE ADOPTED THE INSURANCE EXCHANGE IN IDAHO, ONE OF THE 01:20:16.182 --> 01:20:21.187 FEW STATES THAT DID THAT, I AM QUINCE WITH THE PRODUCTS THAT 01:20:21.187 --> 01:20:24.457 I'VE SEEN BEING RESPONDED TO BY NOT ONLY THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM 01:20:24.457 --> 01:20:27.660 IN THE STATE OF IDAHO, BUT ALSO, THE INSURANCE COMPANIES THAT 01:20:27.660 --> 01:20:31.731 WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A GOVERNOR-RUN INSURANCE EXCHANGE 01:20:31.731 --> 01:20:36.302 AND PROBABLY NOT MEDICAID IN THE STATE OF IDAHO IN THE FUTURE. 01:20:36.302 --> 01:20:37.203 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH GOVERNOR OTTER. 01:20:37.203 --> 01:20:38.571 IT IS TIME FOR CLOSING REMARKS. 01:20:38.571 --> 01:20:42.042 I'M SO SORRY WE'RE OUT OF TIME. 01:20:42.042 --> 01:20:43.743 MR. BALUKOFF, YOUR COMMENTS. 01:20:43.743 --> 01:20:45.311 >> I'M NOT A CAREER POLITICIAN. 01:20:45.311 --> 01:20:49.282 I'VE BEEN A BUSINESSMAN FOR 44 YEARS, A SCHOOL BOARD TRUSTEE 01:20:49.282 --> 01:20:52.652 FOR 17 YEARS AND I'VE SERVED ON MANY NON-PROFIT BOARDS. 01:20:52.652 --> 01:20:56.856 I GOT INTO THIS PRICE BECAUSE I'VE SEEN HOW GOVERNOR OTTER'S 01:20:56.856 --> 01:21:00.260 POLICIES HAVE DECIMATED IDAHO'S SCHOOLS AND COMMITTEE. 01:21:00.260 --> 01:21:03.730 THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO PITCH OTTER IS NOT THAT OUR KIDS 01:21:03.730 --> 01:21:06.433 GET A GOOD EDUCATION OR THAT YOU HAVE A GOOD JOB. 01:21:06.433 --> 01:21:10.704 THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO BUTCH OTTER IS TO GIVE TAX 01:21:10.704 --> 01:21:14.374 BREAKS TO BIG BUSINESS AND FAVORS TO BIG DONORS. 01:21:14.374 --> 01:21:21.081 HIS MANTRA HAS BEEN I RECUSE MYSELF, BUT WE CANNOT AFFORD 01:21:21.081 --> 01:21:26.386 ANOTHER FOUR YEARS OF AN ABSENTEE GOVERNOR. 01:21:26.386 --> 01:21:29.022 IS OUR STATE BETTER OFF UNDER GOVERNOR OTTER? 01:21:29.022 --> 01:21:30.724 THE ANSWER IS NO. 01:21:30.724 --> 01:21:34.094 IF THERE'S ANYTHING I'VE LEARNED IN BUSINESS, IT'S THIS. 01:21:34.094 --> 01:21:38.832 THE BEST PREDICTOR OF FUTURE BEHAVIOR IS PAST BEHAVIOR. 01:21:38.832 --> 01:21:40.033 IDAHO DESERVES BETTER. 01:21:40.033 --> 01:21:41.835 I'VE MADE MY VISION CLEAR. 01:21:41.835 --> 01:21:47.040 WE MUST REINVEST IN OUR SCHOOLS, WE MUST CREATE GOOD-PAYING JOBS 01:21:47.040 --> 01:21:50.944 AND WE MUST RESTORE BALANCE, TRANSPARENCY AND TRUST IN STATE 01:21:50.944 --> 01:21:51.277 GOVERNMENT. 01:21:51.277 --> 01:21:54.848 LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE IDAHO NOT JUST A GREAT PLACE TO 01:21:54.848 --> 01:21:59.219 LOVE, BUT A GREAT PLACE WHERE IDAHOANS CAN MAKE A LIVING. 01:21:59.219 --> 01:22:01.788 YOUR CHOICE HAS NEVER BEEN MORE CLEAR. 01:22:01.788 --> 01:22:04.891 I'M A.J. BALUKOFF, I'M ASKING FOR YOUR VOTE. 01:22:04.891 --> 01:22:05.792 THANK YOU. 01:22:05.792 --> 01:22:07.427 >> ALL RIGHT. 01:22:07.427 --> 01:22:09.095 THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. BUJAK, YOUR CLOSING REMARKS. 01:22:09.095 --> 01:22:12.532 >> I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO TALK TO THE VOTERS. 01:22:12.532 --> 01:22:14.601 MAYBE SOME OF YOU VOTERS WHO HAVE GIVEN UP HOPE. 01:22:14.601 --> 01:22:17.704 YOU HAVE VOTED FOR REPUBLICANS, YOU HAVE VOTED FOR DEMOCRATS, 01:22:17.704 --> 01:22:19.906 YOU HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE. 01:22:19.906 --> 01:22:22.375 YOU'VE HEARD THE SAME PROMISES EVERY ELECTION CYCLE. 01:22:22.375 --> 01:22:24.711 I WATCHED SOME OF THE PRIOR DEBATES AND SOME OF THE ISSUES 01:22:24.711 --> 01:22:27.013 THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY WERE TALKED ABOUT FOUR 01:22:27.013 --> 01:22:31.117 YEARS AGO, EIGHT YEARS AGO, CRONYISM, CORRUPTION, WE'VE 01:22:31.117 --> 01:22:32.919 TALKED ABOUT IMPROVING HEALTHCARE, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO 01:22:32.919 --> 01:22:36.456 GET MORE MONEY AND AS TIME PASSES AND WE JUMP FROM 01:22:36.456 --> 01:22:39.826 REPUBLICAN TO DEMOCRAT, WE END UP IN THE SAME PLACE SO I 01:22:39.826 --> 01:22:43.196 UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S A LARGE GROUP OF IDAHOANS THAT DON'T 01:22:43.196 --> 01:22:44.464 THINK THEIR VOTE COUNTS. 01:22:44.464 --> 01:22:48.201 THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THE POLLS, THEY'RE NOT THINKING THEY CAN 01:22:48.201 --> 01:22:49.469 MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE STATE. 01:22:49.469 --> 01:22:52.105 I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT ONE MAN CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 01:22:52.105 --> 01:22:55.108 YOUR VOTE DOES COUNT AND IT COUNTS MORE THAN EVER IN THIS 01:22:55.108 --> 01:22:57.377 ELECTION CYCLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE A REAL CHOICE. 01:22:57.377 --> 01:23:01.681 A CHOICE THAT DOESN'T BEHOLDEN TO NATIONAL POLITICS, THAT ISN'T 01:23:01.681 --> 01:23:03.416 INTERESTED IN LETTING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL 01:23:03.416 --> 01:23:04.984 WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IN IDAHO. 01:23:04.984 --> 01:23:10.523 SOMEBODY WHO HAS A PRACTICAL PLAN TO IMPROVE IDAHO USING A 01:23:10.523 --> 01:23:12.258 CONSERVATIVE PLAN THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE SPENDING MORE MONEY. 01:23:12.258 --> 01:23:15.095 THIS IS A TIME WHEN WE CAN MAKE HISTORY AS A STATE. 01:23:15.095 --> 01:23:17.630 I'VE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE IF YOU GO OUT AND FIND A FRIEND AND 01:23:17.630 --> 01:23:19.966 BRING THEM TO THE POLLS, YOU'LL MAKE A STATEMENT. 01:23:19.966 --> 01:23:22.502 IF YOU GO OUT AND FIND TWO FRIENDS AND BRING THEM TO THE 01:23:22.502 --> 01:23:27.073 POLL AND VOTE FOR BUJAK, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE HISTORY. 01:23:27.073 --> 01:23:29.642 AND WITH AN INDEPENDENT GOVERNOR WHO CARES MORE ABOUT THE PEOPLE 01:23:29.642 --> 01:23:33.613 THAN SPECIAL INTERESTS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE REAL POSITIVE 01:23:33.613 --> 01:23:36.916 CHANGES AND IN FOUR YEARS YOU'RE GOING TO BE GLAD YOU WENT TO THE 01:23:36.916 --> 01:23:41.087 POLLS AND CHOSE SOMETHING OTHER THAN POLITICS AS USUAL. 01:23:41.087 --> 01:23:43.556 I'M JOHN BUJAK, A LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR AND I'M 01:23:43.556 --> 01:23:46.359 ASKING FOR YOUR VOTE ON NOVEMBER 4th. 01:23:46.359 --> 01:23:49.362 >> GOVERNOR OTTER. 01:23:49.362 --> 01:23:53.933 >> THANK YOU TO THE PANEL AS WELL FOR THOSE PIERCING AND 01:23:53.933 --> 01:23:54.534 REVEALING QUESTIONS. 01:23:54.534 --> 01:23:59.706 I WANT TO THANK THE AUDIENCE, AS WELL. 01:23:59.706 --> 01:24:02.676 AND CERTAINLY IDAHO PUBLIC TELEVISION AND THE LEAGUE OF 01:24:02.676 --> 01:24:05.845 WOMEN VOTERS FOR CUTTING US YOU HAVE WHAT WE NEEDED TO BE CUT 01:24:05.845 --> 01:24:06.579 OFF. 01:24:06.579 --> 01:24:08.248 IDAHO'S GREATNESS IS BECAUSE OF ITS PEOPLE. 01:24:08.248 --> 01:24:13.253 IT'S BECAUSE OF ITS PEOPLE THAT IT'S ALWAYS STAYED THE COURSE. 01:24:13.253 --> 01:24:17.490 WHEN FOLKS ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE DIDN'T DO 01:24:17.490 --> 01:24:21.594 EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO YET THEY KEEP COMING BACK 01:24:21.594 --> 01:24:25.532 BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE HAS ALSO DONE THE CONSERVATIVE THING. 01:24:25.532 --> 01:24:29.002 THEY'VE RECOGNIZED THE VALUES OF THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF IDAHO 01:24:29.002 --> 01:24:32.272 AND THAT IS WHAT HAS BROUGHT US OUT OF THIS RECESSION FASTER 01:24:32.272 --> 01:24:35.008 THAN ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE FOLKS HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT IDAHO'S A 01:24:35.008 --> 01:24:36.543 GOOD PLACE TO DO BUSINESS. 01:24:36.543 --> 01:24:38.878 IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY. 01:24:38.878 --> 01:24:42.015 IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO MOVE TO AND IF YOU'RE HERE, IT'S A GOOD 01:24:42.015 --> 01:24:45.385 PLACE TO GROW YOUR COMPANY AND GROW YOUR FAMILY AND GROW YOUR 01:24:45.385 --> 01:24:45.719 INFLUENCE. 01:24:45.719 --> 01:24:48.121 AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT THESE OTHER STATES AND THE THINGS THAT 01:24:48.121 --> 01:24:52.192 THEY HAVE HAD, AND WHAT WE HAD IN IDAHO AS I SAID EARLIER IN 01:24:52.192 --> 01:24:53.727 THE DEBATE, WE HAD THE PEOPLE. 01:24:53.727 --> 01:24:57.831 WE HAD THE PEOPLE THAT BELIEVED IN US BECAUSE WE BELIEVED IN 01:24:57.831 --> 01:24:58.298 THEM. 01:24:58.298 --> 01:25:00.233 BECAUSE WE DIDN'T STRAY FROM OUR VALUES. 01:25:00.233 --> 01:25:01.968 WE DIDN'T STRAY FROM FAMILY. 01:25:01.968 --> 01:25:04.771 WE DIDN'T STRAY FROM KNOWING THAT THE STRENGTH OF OUR 01:25:04.771 --> 01:25:07.040 GOVERNMENT WAS THE STRENGTH IN THE HOME. 01:25:07.040 --> 01:25:08.575 IT WILL CONTINUE THAT WAY. 01:25:08.575 --> 01:25:13.146 AND I'M ASKING FOR YOUR VOTE HUMBLY I'M ASKING FOR YOUR VOTE. 01:25:13.146 --> 01:25:15.615 I'M BUTCH OTTER, I'M YOUR GOVERNOR AND I WOULD APPRECIATE 01:25:15.615 --> 01:25:17.350 YOUR VOTE FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. 01:25:17.350 --> 01:25:17.951 THANK YOU. 01:25:17.951 --> 01:25:18.718 >> ALL RIGHT. 01:25:18.718 --> 01:25:21.254 THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE CANDIDATES FOR THE TIME TONIGHT. 01:25:21.254 --> 01:25:23.423 THANKS TO THE REPORTERS FOR THE PIERCING AND REVEALING QUESTIONS 01:25:23.423 --> 01:25:25.525 AND THE VIEWERS AT HOME FOR WATCHING. 01:25:25.525 --> 01:25:30.997 YOU CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT THOSE CANDIDATES ON OUR WEBSITE, 01:25:30.997 --> 01:25:31.631 IDAHOPTV.ORG/ELECTION/2014. 01:25:31.631 --> 01:25:35.802 AND REMEMBER TO STAY TUNED FOR THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR DEBATE 01:25:35.802 --> 01:25:36.269 UP NEXT. 01:25:36.269 --> 01:25:43.543 THANKS SO MUCH AND WE'LL SEE YOU AT THE POLLS. 01:25:43.543 --> 01:26:10.303 * * 01:26:10.303 --> 01:26:15.141 >>> THE IDAHO DEBATES IS A ARE MADE POSSIBLE BY BOISE STATE 01:26:15.141 --> 01:26:17.310 UNIVERSITY'S SCHOOL OF PUBLIC SERVICE, DEVOTED TO BUILDING 01:26:17.310 --> 01:26:21.314 FUTURE CIVIC AND COMMUNITY LEADERS THROUGH 01:26:21.314 --> 01:26:28.788 INTERDISCIPLINARY PROBLEM SOLVING, REAL WORLD RESEARCH AND 01:26:28.788 --> 01:26:30.256 POLICY STUDIES. 01:26:30.256 --> 01:26:31.524 AND THE HANDS-ON EXPERIENCE YOU CAN ONLY GET HERE AT THE STATE 01:26:31.524 --> 01:26:31.791 CAPITOL. 01:26:31.791 --> 01:26:33.059 THE IDAHO DEBATES ARE ALSO BROUGHT TO YOU BY CONTRIBUTIONS 01:26:33.059 --> 01:26:33.993 TO THE IDAHO PUBLIC TELEVISION ENDOWMENT. 01:26:33.993 --> 01:26:35.061 THANK YOU.