1 00:00:04,504 --> 00:00:06,539 >>> WELCOME TO THE IDAHO DEBATES, A LOOK AT THE 2 00:00:06,539 --> 00:00:09,542 CANDIDATES ON THE 2014 PRIMARY BALLOT. 3 00:00:09,542 --> 00:00:12,545 THE IDAHO DEBATES IS A COLLABORATIVE PROJECT OF THE 4 00:00:12,545 --> 00:00:16,516 IDAHO PRESS CLUB, THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS OF IDAHO, AND 5 00:00:16,516 --> 00:00:17,817 IDAHO PUBLIC TELEVISION. 6 00:00:17,817 --> 00:00:20,920 THE IDAHO DEDATES ARE MADE POSSIBLE BY BOISE STATE 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,456 UNIVERSITY, COMMITTED TO PUBLIC SERVICE IN OUR 8 00:00:23,456 --> 00:00:27,727 COMMUNITY AND THE STATE OF IDAHO FOR MORE THAN 80 YEARS. 9 00:00:27,727 --> 00:00:30,130 OFFERING UNDERGRADUATE AND GRADUATE DEGREES IN PUBLIC 10 00:00:30,130 --> 00:00:33,099 ADMINISTRATION, PUBLIC POLICY, CRIMINAL JUSTICE, COMMUNITY 11 00:00:33,099 --> 00:00:37,303 AND REGIONAL PLANNING, ECONOMICS AND MORE. 12 00:00:37,303 --> 00:00:42,108 THE IDAHO DEBATES ARE ALSO BROUGHT TO YOU BY 13 00:00:42,108 --> 00:00:43,643 YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE IDAHO 14 00:00:43,643 --> 00:00:44,744 PUBLIC TELEVISION ENDOWMENT. 15 00:00:44,744 --> 00:00:46,112 THANK YOU. 16 00:00:46,112 --> 00:00:50,016 >>> HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE IDAHO DEBATES, LIVE FROM 17 00:00:50,016 --> 00:00:51,584 IDAHO PUBLIC TELEVISION. 18 00:00:51,584 --> 00:00:55,689 WE'LL HAVE EIGHT MORE DEBATES OVER THE NEXT 14 DAYS, BUT 19 00:00:55,689 --> 00:00:58,058 TONIGHT, THE CANDIDATES VYING TO BE THE STATE'S CHIEF LEGAL 20 00:00:58,058 --> 00:01:00,960 OFFICER TAKE THE STAGE TO ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. 21 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,998 IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING, THE OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY 22 00:01:04,998 --> 00:01:06,966 GENERAL PROVIDES LEGAL REPRESENTATION TO THE STATE'S 23 00:01:06,966 --> 00:01:07,967 AGENCIES. 24 00:01:07,967 --> 00:01:10,637 THEY OFFER LEGAL OPINIONS TO THE IDAHO LEGISLATURE, AND 25 00:01:10,637 --> 00:01:13,440 THEY DEFEND IDAHO'S LAWS IN COURT. 26 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,177 I WANT TO WELCOME THE TWO REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES. 27 00:01:17,177 --> 00:01:20,613 ATTORNEY GENERAL LAWRENCE WASDEN, AND CHALLENGER 28 00:01:20,613 --> 00:01:21,981 ATTORNEY CHRIS TROUPIS. 29 00:01:21,981 --> 00:01:25,452 LAWRENCE WASDEN IS IDAHO'S 32nd ATTORNEY GENERAL. 30 00:01:25,452 --> 00:01:28,922 HE IS SERVING HIS 12th TERM AND IS IDAHO'S LONGEST-SERVING 31 00:01:28,922 --> 00:01:30,090 PERSON IN THIS POSITION. 32 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:32,559 CHRIS TROUPIS IS AN IDAHO ATTORNEY WITH OVER 30 YEARS 33 00:01:32,559 --> 00:01:34,561 PRACTICING LAW. 34 00:01:34,561 --> 00:01:38,264 HE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN MANY HIGH-PROFILE CASES, INCLUDING 35 00:01:38,264 --> 00:01:40,667 THE IDAHO REPUBLICAN PARTY'S CHALLENGE TO THE PRIMARY 36 00:01:40,667 --> 00:01:43,770 RULES, OR THE CLOSED PRIMARY CASE. 37 00:01:43,770 --> 00:01:46,272 THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE. 38 00:01:46,272 --> 00:01:49,309 I ALSO WANT TO THANK OUR PANEL OF REPORTERS WHO WILL 39 00:01:49,309 --> 00:01:50,410 ASK THE CANDIDATES QUESTIONS. 40 00:01:50,410 --> 00:01:53,313 EMILEE RITTER SAUNDERS, FROM BOISE STATE PUBLIC RADIO. 41 00:01:53,313 --> 00:01:56,583 REBECCA BOONE FROM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, AND OUR 42 00:01:56,583 --> 00:01:59,986 VERY OWN POLITICAL ANALYST, DR. JIM WEATHERBY. 43 00:01:59,986 --> 00:02:02,889 I'M AARON KUNZ COHOST OF "IDAHO REPORTS" HERE ON 44 00:02:02,889 --> 00:02:04,324 IDAHO PUBLIC TELEVISION. 45 00:02:04,324 --> 00:02:06,726 I'LL MODERATE TONIGHT'S DEBATE AND TRY TO MAKE SURE 46 00:02:06,726 --> 00:02:10,597 BOTH CANDIDATES GET EQUAL TIME AND STAY ON POINT. 47 00:02:10,597 --> 00:02:12,866 TO HELP ME AND TO REMIND THE CANDIDATES HOW LONG THEY'VE 48 00:02:12,866 --> 00:02:17,270 BEEN TALKING IS VOLUNTEER TIMEKEEPER FROM THE LEAGUE OF 49 00:02:17,270 --> 00:02:19,539 WOMEN VOTERS, ELINOR CHEHEY. 50 00:02:19,539 --> 00:02:22,108 THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 51 00:02:22,108 --> 00:02:23,710 WE'VE ENCOURAGED THE CANDIDATES TO ENGAGE ON THE ISSUES. 52 00:02:23,710 --> 00:02:27,113 I'M LESS INTERESTED IN ENFORCING A RIGID FORMULA THAN 53 00:02:27,113 --> 00:02:29,883 IN ALLOWING AN INTELLIGENT AND ENLIGHTENING DISCUSSION THAT 54 00:02:29,883 --> 00:02:33,086 HELPS YOU, THE VOTER, CAST A MORE INFORMED BALLOT. 55 00:02:33,086 --> 00:02:35,722 EACH CANDIDATE WILL BE GIVEN TWO MINUTES FOR OPENING 56 00:02:35,722 --> 00:02:38,825 COMMENTS AND TWO MINUTES FOR CLOSING. 57 00:02:38,825 --> 00:02:41,561 WE FLIPPED A COIN A FEW MINUTES AGO TO SEE WHO WOULD 58 00:02:41,561 --> 00:02:44,898 GO FIRST. 59 00:02:44,898 --> 00:02:46,833 IT WILL BE CHRIS TROUPIS. 60 00:02:46,833 --> 00:02:48,134 THEIR FIRST QUESTION. 61 00:02:48,134 --> 00:02:50,370 >> ARE WE DOING OPENING STATEMENTS FIRST. 62 00:02:50,370 --> 00:02:53,106 >> THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ABOUT THAT. 63 00:02:53,106 --> 00:02:56,409 EACH CANDIDATE TWO MINUTES FOR OPENING STATEMENTS. 64 00:02:56,409 --> 00:02:57,510 MR. TROUPIS, YOU ARE FIRST. 65 00:02:57,510 --> 00:03:01,514 >> THANK YOU, AARON, AND THANK YOU LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS AND 66 00:03:01,514 --> 00:03:03,216 IDAHO PUBLIC TELEVISION FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. 67 00:03:03,216 --> 00:03:06,619 WE KNOW THE POWER OF POLITICAL OFFICE CAN BE SO IMMENSE AND 68 00:03:06,619 --> 00:03:09,489 INTOXICATING THAT THERE IS A GREAT DANGER OF BEING CAPTURED 69 00:03:09,489 --> 00:03:10,256 BY IT. 70 00:03:10,256 --> 00:03:15,995 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS HELD PUBLIC OFFICE FOR OVER A 71 00:03:15,995 --> 00:03:21,267 QUARTER CENTURY, EMPLOYED IN THAT OFFICE SINCE PRESIDENT 72 00:03:21,267 --> 00:03:25,005 REAGAN AND -- EVEN THOUGH MR. WASDEN IS A GOOD MAN, HE 73 00:03:25,005 --> 00:03:26,272 HAS LOST HIS WAY. 74 00:03:26,272 --> 00:03:29,109 PERHAPS DECADES AGO HE HAD THE RIGHT VISION. 75 00:03:29,109 --> 00:03:32,012 RECENT ACTIONS SHOW HE HAS BEEN CAPTURED BY THE IMMENSE POWER 76 00:03:32,012 --> 00:03:33,179 OF OFFICE. 77 00:03:33,179 --> 00:03:35,982 TIME AND AGAIN HE HAS CHOSEN TO SIDE WITH THE GOVERNMENT RATHER 78 00:03:35,982 --> 00:03:36,449 THAN THE PEOPLE. 79 00:03:36,449 --> 00:03:40,086 FOR EXAMPLE, ONE, HE GAVE UP THE FIGHT AGAINST OBAMA CARE. 80 00:03:40,086 --> 00:03:44,457 TWO, HE ADVISED THE STATE LAND BOARD TO COMPETE WITH PRIVATE 81 00:03:44,457 --> 00:03:45,191 BUSINESS. 82 00:03:45,191 --> 00:03:50,463 THREE, HE REFUSED TO DEFEND AN IDAHO FAMILY FROM THE EPA. 83 00:03:50,463 --> 00:03:54,634 FOUR, HE WILL NOT PURSUE RECOVERY OF OUR PUBLIC LANDS. 84 00:03:54,634 --> 00:03:59,139 AND, FIVE, HE ALMOST SURRENDERED OUR SECOND 85 00:03:59,139 --> 00:04:02,676 AMENDMENT RIGHTS BY ARGUING THERE SIMPLY IS NO INDIVIDUAL 86 00:04:02,676 --> 00:04:06,579 RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IN THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, AND 87 00:04:06,579 --> 00:04:10,617 QUOTE STATES CAN ACT AGGRESSIVELY TO RESTRICT GUN 88 00:04:10,617 --> 00:04:11,418 ACCESS. 89 00:04:11,418 --> 00:04:14,487 OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL MUST CHOOSE THE PEOPLE OVER 90 00:04:14,487 --> 00:04:14,788 GOVERNMENT. 91 00:04:14,788 --> 00:04:18,158 HE MUST BE THE PEOPLE'S LAWYER AND THE PEOPLE'S ADVOCATE. 92 00:04:18,158 --> 00:04:19,859 IT IS TIME FOR A CHANGE. 93 00:04:19,859 --> 00:04:23,163 AND THAT'S WHY I AM RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF ATTORNEY GENERAL. 94 00:04:23,163 --> 00:04:24,064 THANK YOU. 95 00:04:24,064 --> 00:04:25,265 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 96 00:04:25,265 --> 00:04:28,702 NOW, MR. WASDEN, TWO MINUTES FOR YOUR OPENING STATEMENT. 97 00:04:28,702 --> 00:04:29,436 >> THANK YOU. 98 00:04:29,436 --> 00:04:33,173 MY NAME IS LAWRENCE WASDEN, I'M THE IDAHO ATTORNEY GENERAL. 99 00:04:33,173 --> 00:04:36,643 WHEN I RAN FOR THIS OFFICE 12 YEARS AGO, I SET UP FIVE THINGS 100 00:04:36,643 --> 00:04:38,078 THAT I WOULD TRY TO ACCOMPLISH. 101 00:04:38,078 --> 00:04:41,348 FIRST OF ALL, FIRM AND FAIR CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, WHICH WE 102 00:04:41,348 --> 00:04:45,919 HAVE SUCCESSFULLY PURSUED NUMEROUS PUBLIC -- PUBLIC 103 00:04:45,919 --> 00:04:46,920 CORRUPTION CASES. 104 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,923 ALSO TO PROTECT IDAHO'S SOVEREIGNTY AND WATER. 105 00:04:49,923 --> 00:04:59,232 WE HAVE NEARLY COMPLETED THE SNAKE RIVER BASIN -- I HAVE 106 00:04:59,232 --> 00:05:02,869 DEFENDED IDAHO'S SOVEREIGNTY REPEATEDLY. 107 00:05:02,869 --> 00:05:04,504 THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT CASE AMONG THEM. 108 00:05:04,504 --> 00:05:08,575 THIRD, TO PROTECT IDAHO'S CONSUMERS FROM FRAUD. 109 00:05:08,575 --> 00:05:13,513 WE HAVE RECOVERED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR IDAHO CONSUMERS 110 00:05:13,513 --> 00:05:16,049 REPEATEDLY THROUGHOUT THAT TIME PERIOD. 111 00:05:16,049 --> 00:05:20,520 FOUR, TO EXERCISE WISE STEWARDSHIP ON ENDOWMENT LANDS 112 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:28,161 TO OBTAIN THE MAXIMUM LONG TERM FINANCIAL RETURN AS REQUIRED BY 113 00:05:28,161 --> 00:05:31,531 OUR CONSTITUTION, PUTTING US IN COMPETITION IN THE PRIVATE 114 00:05:31,531 --> 00:05:32,999 MARKETPLACE. 115 00:05:32,999 --> 00:05:36,169 AND FIVE, ENSURE JUSTICE FOR ALL IDAHOANS. 116 00:05:36,169 --> 00:05:40,707 ONE OF THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES THAT I HAVE IS 117 00:05:40,707 --> 00:05:49,015 TO DEPEND OUR CONSTITUTION -- DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION. 118 00:05:49,015 --> 00:05:53,386 IN THE -- OUR CITIZENS HAVE CHOSE INTO DEFINE MARRIAGE. 119 00:05:53,386 --> 00:05:56,556 IT IS MY DUTY AND MY OBLIGATION TO PRESENT THAT MATTER IN COURT 120 00:05:56,556 --> 00:05:59,959 AND ALLOW THE COURT TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. 121 00:05:59,959 --> 00:06:02,696 I WILL CONTINUE TO PROTECT CHILDREN AS I HAVE DONE SO IN 122 00:06:02,696 --> 00:06:05,498 THE PAST WITH THE PROTECT TEENS PROGRAM. 123 00:06:05,498 --> 00:06:10,036 IT IS MY OBLIGATION TO FULFILL MY OATH, TO UPHOLD THE 124 00:06:10,036 --> 00:06:10,937 CONSTITUTION. 125 00:06:10,937 --> 00:06:15,608 SO, I WILL -- AT THIS STAGE ASK YOU ALREADY FOR MY -- A -- YOUR 126 00:06:15,608 --> 00:06:16,876 VOTE ON MAY 20th. 127 00:06:16,876 --> 00:06:17,610 THANK YOU. 128 00:06:17,610 --> 00:06:18,945 >> THANK YOU, MR. WASDEN. 129 00:06:18,945 --> 00:06:22,315 AND IT IS NOW TIME FOR THE QUESTIONS FROM OUR REPORTER 130 00:06:22,315 --> 00:06:22,782 PANEL. 131 00:06:22,782 --> 00:06:30,323 AND OUR FIRST QUESTION GOES TO EMILEE -- 132 00:06:30,323 --> 00:06:34,694 >> WHAT WOULD BE YOUR TOP THREE PRIORITIES FOR ATTORNEY 133 00:06:34,694 --> 00:06:35,161 GENERAL? 134 00:06:35,161 --> 00:06:39,532 >> NUMBER ONE, I WANT TO SEE OBAMA CARE REPEALED OR 135 00:06:39,532 --> 00:06:41,701 OVERTURNED IN THE STATE OF IDAHO. 136 00:06:41,701 --> 00:06:45,805 NUMBER TWO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US RECLAIM OUR PUBLIC LANDS 137 00:06:45,805 --> 00:06:46,740 FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 138 00:06:46,740 --> 00:06:49,542 THAT WOULD BOOST IDAHO'S ECONOMY AND PROVIDE AN ENGINE 139 00:06:49,542 --> 00:06:53,380 FROM WHICH WE COULD NOT BE 50th IN THE COUNTRY IN PER CAPITA 140 00:06:53,380 --> 00:06:56,516 INCOME, BUT WE COULD HAVE TIMBER JOBS, WE COULD HAVE 141 00:06:56,516 --> 00:06:57,584 HIGH-PAYING JOBS. 142 00:06:57,584 --> 00:07:03,123 AND, NUMBER THREE, I -- I WOULD LIKE TO PUSH BACK THE EPA AND 143 00:07:03,123 --> 00:07:07,293 MAKE SURE THAT THE -- THAT THE EPA IS NOT HARASSING OUR 144 00:07:07,293 --> 00:07:10,296 CITIZENS THAT REGULATIONS ARE NOT STRANGLING OUR BUSINESSES. 145 00:07:10,296 --> 00:07:13,066 I THINK THOSE ARE THE THREE TOP PRIORITIES. 146 00:07:13,066 --> 00:07:15,402 THERE ARE MANY OTHER THINGS THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S 147 00:07:15,402 --> 00:07:18,038 OFFICE DOES, BUT THOSE THREE WOULD BE THE FIRST THAT I WOULD 148 00:07:18,038 --> 00:07:18,772 WANT TO ACCOMPLISH. 149 00:07:18,772 --> 00:07:22,042 >> AND THE SAME QUESTIONS FOR MR. WASDEN. 150 00:07:22,042 --> 00:07:25,045 >> THE TOP THREE ITEMS, ACTUALLY I'VE NAMED SOME OF 151 00:07:25,045 --> 00:07:25,578 THOSE. 152 00:07:25,578 --> 00:07:29,516 FIRST OF ALL TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT, 153 00:07:29,516 --> 00:07:32,619 CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE, AND, SECOND, TO 154 00:07:32,619 --> 00:07:34,688 CONTINUE PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN. 155 00:07:34,688 --> 00:07:36,089 THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT MATTERS. 156 00:07:36,089 --> 00:07:39,526 I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN 157 00:07:39,526 --> 00:07:43,329 RAISED WITH REGARD TO OBAMA CARE. 158 00:07:43,329 --> 00:07:47,067 I WAS AMONG THE ATTORNEYS GENERAL WHO WITHIN MINUTES OF 159 00:07:47,067 --> 00:07:50,537 THAT LEGISLATION BEING SIGNED INTO LAW, FILED A LAWSUIT IN 160 00:07:50,537 --> 00:07:54,908 FLORIDA CHALLENGING THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF OBAMA 161 00:07:54,908 --> 00:07:55,342 CARE. 162 00:07:55,342 --> 00:07:58,478 WE PURSUED THAT ALL OF THE WAY THROUGH THE UNITED STATES 163 00:07:58,478 --> 00:07:59,112 SUPREME COURT. 164 00:07:59,112 --> 00:08:02,649 I HAVE IN MY POSSESSION A CARD, CARD NUMBER 13, ISSUED TO ME 165 00:08:02,649 --> 00:08:05,919 WHEN I WAS IN THE LAWYERS LOUNGE WHEN THAT CASE WAS BEING 166 00:08:05,919 --> 00:08:07,954 ARGUED BEFORE THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. 167 00:08:07,954 --> 00:08:11,057 CERTAINLY I CANNOT SAY THAT WE GAVE UP ON THAT CASE. 168 00:08:11,057 --> 00:08:14,761 IT IS INTERESTING THAT THE CLAIM IS, WELL, IT SHOULD BE 169 00:08:14,761 --> 00:08:16,963 REPEALED OR OVERTURNED. 170 00:08:16,963 --> 00:08:19,232 WELL, WE LITIGATED THE ISSUE. 171 00:08:19,232 --> 00:08:22,702 AND I HOPE TONIGHT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE VARIOUS ISSUES 172 00:08:22,702 --> 00:08:24,404 REGARDING OBAMA CARE. 173 00:08:24,404 --> 00:08:27,407 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DOESN'T REPEAL OBAMA CARE. 174 00:08:27,407 --> 00:08:31,044 THAT'S A FUNCTION PERFORMED BY CONGRESS. 175 00:08:31,044 --> 00:08:33,880 SO, AS ATTORNEY GENERAL, YOU DON'T RUN FOR CONGRESS. 176 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,248 YOU RUN FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL. 177 00:08:35,248 --> 00:08:37,584 IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WITHIN THE CONCEPT 178 00:08:37,584 --> 00:08:41,621 OF LIMITED GOVERNMENT THAT YOU STAY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF 179 00:08:41,621 --> 00:08:48,061 WHAT THE CONSTITUTIONAL STATUTORY RESPONSIBILITIES ARE 180 00:08:48,061 --> 00:08:49,362 AS ATTORNEY GENERAL. 181 00:08:49,362 --> 00:08:50,363 >> FOLLOW UP. 182 00:08:50,363 --> 00:08:55,235 I WOULD FOLLOW UP WITH MR. TROUPIS OFF OF THE OBAMA 183 00:08:55,235 --> 00:08:56,169 CARE COMMENT. 184 00:08:56,169 --> 00:08:59,372 THIS IS THE LAW OF THE LAND AT THIS POINT. 185 00:08:59,372 --> 00:09:01,641 THE SUPREME COURT HAS MADE THE DECISION. 186 00:09:01,641 --> 00:09:04,944 AT WHAT POINT DO YOU NO LONGER PUSH BACK ON OBAMA CARE? 187 00:09:04,944 --> 00:09:08,581 AT WHAT POINT DO YOU ACCEPT THAT THAT IS THE LAW? 188 00:09:08,581 --> 00:09:11,184 >> I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. 189 00:09:11,184 --> 00:09:12,285 I THINK I NEED TO. 190 00:09:12,285 --> 00:09:15,822 WHERE MY OPPONENT SAYS HE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST TO JUMP IN ON 191 00:09:15,822 --> 00:09:16,756 THE LAWSUIT. 192 00:09:16,756 --> 00:09:20,493 THE REASON HE GOT CARD NUMBER 13, THERE WERE AT LEAST 12 193 00:09:20,493 --> 00:09:22,696 OTHER STATES THAT ALREADY FILED THE LAWSUIT. 194 00:09:22,696 --> 00:09:25,965 IDAHO SIMPLY JOINED INTO THE LAWSUIT WITH THE OTHERS. 195 00:09:25,965 --> 00:09:29,402 THAT IS WHAT OUR PRESIDENT REFERS TO AS LEADING FROM 196 00:09:29,402 --> 00:09:30,236 BEHIND. 197 00:09:30,236 --> 00:09:33,673 ONCE THE SUPREME COURT DECIDED ON NARROW GROUNDS THAT OBAMA 198 00:09:33,673 --> 00:09:38,678 CARE WAS NOT AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS A PENALTY 199 00:09:38,678 --> 00:09:43,516 BUT A TAX, OUR IDAHO ATTORNEY GENERAL CEASED TO FIGHT. 200 00:09:43,516 --> 00:09:49,989 IDAHO HEALTH FREEDOM ACT, INCORPORATED IN THE DUTIES OF 201 00:09:49,989 --> 00:10:00,867 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, ATTORNEY GENERAL OBLIGATED TO SEEK -- 202 00:10:00,867 --> 00:10:04,237 OUR IDAHO ATTORNEY GENERAL REJECTED THAT AND TOOK NO 203 00:10:04,237 --> 00:10:08,541 ACTION TO -- IN ADDITION, LAST YEAR I BROUGHT SUIT AGAINST -- 204 00:10:08,541 --> 00:10:11,644 I REPRESENTED A CLIENT WHO WANTED TO EXPAND OPPORTUNITIES 205 00:10:11,644 --> 00:10:14,714 FOR OPT OUTS TO OBAMA CARE THROUGH MEDICAL EXPENSE 206 00:10:14,714 --> 00:10:15,181 SHARING. 207 00:10:15,181 --> 00:10:17,350 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OPPOSED THAT. 208 00:10:17,350 --> 00:10:20,353 THE SUPREME COURT OF IDAHO DECLARED THAT IDAHOANS SHOULD 209 00:10:20,353 --> 00:10:22,989 HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OPT OUTS TO OBAMA CARE. 210 00:10:22,989 --> 00:10:26,626 BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, THERE ARE 211 00:10:26,626 --> 00:10:29,295 CONSTITUTIONAL CHALLENGES THAT CAN STILL BE MADE TO OBAMA 212 00:10:29,295 --> 00:10:29,662 CARE. 213 00:10:29,662 --> 00:10:32,298 THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF CASES PENDING ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 214 00:10:32,298 --> 00:10:35,669 AND I HAVE TO COMPLIMENT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT HE HAS 215 00:10:35,669 --> 00:10:38,938 ACTUALLY PARTICIPATED IN THE HOBBY LOBBY CASE, WHICH IS ONE 216 00:10:38,938 --> 00:10:42,842 OF THOSE IMPORTANT CASES, BUT APART FROM JOINING IN THOSE 217 00:10:42,842 --> 00:10:45,378 CASES, HE HAS NEVER INDEPENDENTLY BROUGHT ACTIONS, 218 00:10:45,378 --> 00:10:47,747 AND I BELIEVE THAT UNDER THE ARTICLE ONE OF THE UNITED 219 00:10:47,747 --> 00:10:51,751 STATES CONSTITUTION, AN ACTION CAN BE BROUGHT THAT THIS IS AN 220 00:10:51,751 --> 00:10:55,588 ILLEGAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL DIRECT TAX, AND ON THOSE 221 00:10:55,588 --> 00:10:58,491 GROUNDS, THE OBAMA CARE CAN BE OVERTURNED. 222 00:10:58,491 --> 00:11:01,795 AND I STAND CORRECTED WITH RESPECT TO REPEALING A LAW AND 223 00:11:01,795 --> 00:11:06,866 AGREE WITH MY OPPONENT THAT THAT WAS SIMPLY A MISNOMER WHEN 224 00:11:06,866 --> 00:11:07,534 I SAID IT. 225 00:11:07,534 --> 00:11:08,702 SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 226 00:11:08,702 --> 00:11:10,337 >> MR. WASDEN. 227 00:11:10,337 --> 00:11:11,271 >> THANK YOU. 228 00:11:11,271 --> 00:11:16,176 FIRST OF ALL, MY OPPONENT DOESN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND HOW 229 00:11:16,176 --> 00:11:17,811 YOU OBTAIN ONE OF THOSE CARDS. 230 00:11:17,811 --> 00:11:19,646 IT IS NOT BECAUSE WE WERE NUMBER 12. 231 00:11:19,646 --> 00:11:21,514 WE WERE AMONG THE VERY FIRST. 232 00:11:21,514 --> 00:11:24,184 WE ALL FILED SIMULTANEOUSLY. 233 00:11:24,184 --> 00:11:25,919 THERE WASN'T 12 STATES IN FRONT OF US. 234 00:11:25,919 --> 00:11:28,722 I OBTAINED THAT CARD BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO BE ADMITTED TO THE 235 00:11:28,722 --> 00:11:31,825 UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT BAR AND I WAS AT THE LAWYERS LOUNGE 236 00:11:31,825 --> 00:11:33,193 WHEN THE COURTROOM FILLED. 237 00:11:33,193 --> 00:11:36,930 I HAPPENED TO BE THE NUMBER 13 GUY THAT WASN'T ALLOWED INTO 238 00:11:36,930 --> 00:11:40,834 THE COURTROOM, AS SOMEONE WOULD LEAVE THE COURTROOM, THEY WOULD 239 00:11:40,834 --> 00:11:44,471 GET SOMEBODY FROM THE LAWYER'S LOUNGE AND YOU COULD GO IN AND 240 00:11:44,471 --> 00:11:46,206 LISTEN TO THE ARGUMENT. 241 00:11:46,206 --> 00:11:49,476 IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 12 STATES BEING IN FRONT OF US. 242 00:11:49,476 --> 00:11:53,680 THE ISSUE WITH REGARD TO DIRECT APPORTIONMENT, WHICH HE HAS 243 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:57,417 SPOKEN ABOUT, WAS ACTUALLY ANSWERED, IF YOU READ THE 244 00:11:57,417 --> 00:12:02,322 NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESSES, THE 245 00:12:02,322 --> 00:12:03,623 AFFORDABLE CARE ACT CASE. 246 00:12:03,623 --> 00:12:05,625 UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT CHIEF JUSTICE ACTUALLY 247 00:12:05,625 --> 00:12:08,228 ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE IN THAT CASE AND SAID -- BY THE WAY, 248 00:12:08,228 --> 00:12:09,896 THIS IS NOT A DIRECT TAX. 249 00:12:09,896 --> 00:12:12,265 AND, THEREFORE, NOT SUBJECT TO APPORTIONMENT. 250 00:12:12,265 --> 00:12:16,102 THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN ARGUED AND LITIGATED AND LOST. 251 00:12:16,102 --> 00:12:19,739 SO, THERE IS NO MORE -- NO FURTHER ACTION TO BRING IN THAT 252 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:20,340 REGARD. 253 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:22,976 THERE ARE TWO CASES WHO HAVE RAISED THAT ISSUE. 254 00:12:22,976 --> 00:12:30,350 THE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN PHYSICIANS VERSUS SEBELIUS, AND 255 00:12:30,350 --> 00:12:36,356 THE -- ASSOCIATION -- THE D.C. 256 00:12:36,356 --> 00:12:40,360 CIRCUIT SAID THAT THE ISSUE HAS ESSENTIALLY BEEN CONCEDED AND 257 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:46,766 THE D.C. CIRCUIT AND THE CASE OF CECIL, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF 258 00:12:46,766 --> 00:12:51,204 HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES FOR ARGUMENT ON MAY 8th ON THAT 259 00:12:51,204 --> 00:12:52,038 ISSUE. 260 00:12:52,038 --> 00:12:53,006 EXCUSE ME. 261 00:12:53,006 --> 00:12:55,575 THOSE WERE ON ORIGINATION ISSUES. 262 00:12:55,575 --> 00:12:57,243 THAT WAS NOT THE APPORTIONMENT. 263 00:12:57,243 --> 00:13:02,148 THE APPORTIONMENT ISSUE HAS BEEN ARGUED, ADDITIONAL CASE IN 264 00:13:02,148 --> 00:13:06,886 WHICH THE COURT HAS SAID THAT APPORTIONMENT IS NOT NECESSARY 265 00:13:06,886 --> 00:13:09,222 IN THIS CASE, THAT IT IS NOT A DIRECT TAX. 266 00:13:09,222 --> 00:13:16,229 I DID WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MEDICAL EXPENSE ACCOUNT CASE 267 00:13:16,229 --> 00:13:18,431 THAT MY OPPONENT CLAIMS THAT I OPPOSED IT. 268 00:13:18,431 --> 00:13:23,269 FACT OF THE MATTER IS, A STATUTORY CLIENT, AGAIN, AS I 269 00:13:23,269 --> 00:13:29,542 MENTIONED, LIMITED GOVERNMENT -- LEGISLATURE 270 00:13:29,542 --> 00:13:32,912 PASSES A LAW, ATTORNEY GENERAL YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO 271 00:13:32,912 --> 00:13:34,080 REPRESENT THE CLIENT. 272 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,449 CLIENT MAKES DETERMINATIONS JUST LIKE IT DOES IN A NORMAL 273 00:13:36,449 --> 00:13:37,650 LEGAL RELATIONSHIP. 274 00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:38,752 THE CLIENT CHOOSES. 275 00:13:38,752 --> 00:13:40,453 I DON'T CHOOSE FOR MY CLIENT. 276 00:13:40,453 --> 00:13:43,289 I DON'T USURP THE AUTHORITY OF MY CLIENT TO MAKE THAT CHOICE 277 00:13:43,289 --> 00:13:44,257 AND THAT LITIGATION. 278 00:13:44,257 --> 00:13:45,358 THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. 279 00:13:45,358 --> 00:13:48,294 MY OBLIGATION AS THE ATTORNEY IS TO REPRESENT THAT CLIENT 280 00:13:48,294 --> 00:13:50,730 ZEALOUSLY IN COURT AND THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT WE DID. 281 00:13:50,730 --> 00:13:52,198 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 282 00:13:52,198 --> 00:13:53,366 MOVING ON. 283 00:13:53,366 --> 00:13:57,971 OUR NEXT QUESTION FROM REBECCA BOONE FROM THE ASSOCIATED 284 00:13:57,971 --> 00:13:58,405 PRESS. 285 00:13:58,405 --> 00:14:01,341 >> ONE OF THE DUTIES OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS ENSURE THAT 286 00:14:01,341 --> 00:14:04,144 STATE AGENCIES AND OFFICIALS COMPLY WITH GOVERNMENT 287 00:14:04,144 --> 00:14:07,681 TRANSPARENCY RULES, SPECIFICALLY OPEN MEETINGS AND 288 00:14:07,681 --> 00:14:08,715 OPEN RECORDS LAW. 289 00:14:08,715 --> 00:14:11,985 AS THE STATE CONTINUES TO PRIVATIZE GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS, 290 00:14:11,985 --> 00:14:17,691 PRISONS, MEDICAID PAYMENTS, WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE 291 00:14:17,691 --> 00:14:21,361 WHERE PUBLIC COMPANY RECORDS END AND PRIVATE -- 292 00:14:21,361 --> 00:14:25,265 >> THAT IS A CHALLENGING ISSUE, ONE THAT WE HAVE SEEN ACTION ON 293 00:14:25,265 --> 00:14:26,332 IN RECENT TIMES. 294 00:14:26,332 --> 00:14:28,501 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DOESN'T SET THE STANDARD. 295 00:14:28,501 --> 00:14:30,603 THAT IS DETERMINED BY THE LEGISLATURE. 296 00:14:30,603 --> 00:14:32,806 AND EXACTLY WHAT THOSE RECORDS ARE. 297 00:14:32,806 --> 00:14:36,076 BUT WHAT I HAVE DONE WITH REGARD TO OPEN MEETINGS AND 298 00:14:36,076 --> 00:14:40,380 PUBLIC RECORDS, AS YOU KNOW, IS I HAVE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF 299 00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:44,751 TIME INSTRUCTING THE MEDIA, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, 300 00:14:44,751 --> 00:14:49,456 STATE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, AND THE PUBLIC COMMUNITY AT LARGE 301 00:14:49,456 --> 00:14:51,358 ABOUT THE RULES THAT WE LIVE BY. 302 00:14:51,358 --> 00:14:57,497 IN FACT, WE HAVE MADE 30 PRESENTATIONS OVER THE LAST 10 303 00:14:57,497 --> 00:15:00,033 YEARS THAT ARE THREE HOURS LONG IN ORDER TO HELP PEOPLE 304 00:15:00,033 --> 00:15:02,402 UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE RULES ARE. 305 00:15:02,402 --> 00:15:05,872 SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING YOUR QUESTION, THAT QUESTION HAS TO 306 00:15:05,872 --> 00:15:10,477 BE ANSWERED BY THE -- BY THE LEGISLATURE, AND MY VIEW OF IT 307 00:15:10,477 --> 00:15:13,880 IS THAT MORE OPENNESS YOU CAN HAVE, THE BETTER OFF WE ARE, 308 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,984 HENCE MY ACTIVITY TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND OPEN 309 00:15:17,984 --> 00:15:20,053 MEETING AND PUBLIC RECORDS LAW. 310 00:15:20,053 --> 00:15:21,521 >> MR. TROUPIS. 311 00:15:21,521 --> 00:15:23,957 >> YES, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THE QUESTION. 312 00:15:23,957 --> 00:15:26,493 THE PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUESTS -- I WAS -- I WAS 313 00:15:26,493 --> 00:15:29,429 TALKING WITH SOMEONE RECENTLY WHEN I WAS OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN 314 00:15:29,429 --> 00:15:32,899 TRAIL, AND THEY WERE TELLING ME THAT THEY HAD MADE A SIMPLE 315 00:15:32,899 --> 00:15:35,001 PUBLIC INFORMATIONS REQUEST FOR EMAIL RECORDS. 316 00:15:35,001 --> 00:15:38,371 WHAT THEY GOT BACK FROM THE DEPARTMENT WAS A STATEMENT THAT 317 00:15:38,371 --> 00:15:41,975 WOULD IT WOULD COST SOME $12,000 TO FIND THE EMAILS OVER 318 00:15:41,975 --> 00:15:43,009 A TWO-WEEK PERIOD. 319 00:15:43,009 --> 00:15:45,879 AND I FOUND THAT THAT IS NOT AN ISOLATED CASE. 320 00:15:45,879 --> 00:15:50,350 SO, IT CONCERNS ME THAT RECORDS ARE NOT BEING PRODUCED, AND, IN 321 00:15:50,350 --> 00:15:55,922 FACT, IF YOU SAW LAST WEEK, THE GOVERNOR APPOINTED AN OMBUDSMEN 322 00:15:55,922 --> 00:15:58,391 TO BE SURE THERE WOULD BE MORE RECORDS DISCLOSURE. 323 00:15:58,391 --> 00:16:01,461 MY CONCERN IS THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST DOZEN YEARS, 324 00:16:01,461 --> 00:16:04,064 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE HAS A DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL 325 00:16:04,064 --> 00:16:06,933 IN EACH OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT AND 326 00:16:06,933 --> 00:16:11,204 THOSE EXECUTIVE -- THOSE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERALS DETERMINE 327 00:16:11,204 --> 00:16:13,406 WHAT GOES ON WITHIN THOSE AGENCIES. 328 00:16:13,406 --> 00:16:16,876 IF THE LEGISLATURE ENACTS LAWS, THOSE AGENCIES CREATE RULES AND 329 00:16:16,876 --> 00:16:20,613 REGULATIONS THAT ARE INTERPRETED AND IMPLEMENTED BY 330 00:16:20,613 --> 00:16:22,315 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE. 331 00:16:22,315 --> 00:16:25,251 MY BELIEF IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE SHOULD BE THE 332 00:16:25,251 --> 00:16:28,955 WATCHDOG OVER THE AGENCIES, NOT INSIDE THE AGENCIES. 333 00:16:28,955 --> 00:16:32,692 AND ALTHOUGH OUR STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS NOW HAD THE 334 00:16:32,692 --> 00:16:37,163 ATTORNEY GENERAL WITH DEPUTIES WITHIN THE AGENCIES, I THINK 335 00:16:37,163 --> 00:16:41,534 IDAHO WOULD BE BETTER SERVED IS THE LEGISLATURE AND THE 336 00:16:41,534 --> 00:16:44,437 ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE WORKED TOGETHER, TO MAKE SURE 337 00:16:44,437 --> 00:16:47,007 THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IS THAT INDEPENDENT 338 00:16:47,007 --> 00:16:51,277 WATCH DOG AND I THINK WE WOULD HAVE MORE TRANSPARENCY BECAUSE 339 00:16:51,277 --> 00:16:54,080 WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE ON BOTH SIDES. 340 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:54,914 >> FOLLOW UP QUESTION. 341 00:16:54,914 --> 00:17:02,455 >> MR. TROUPIS, IN 2012, YOU FOUGHT IN COURT TO KEEP THE 342 00:17:02,455 --> 00:17:08,962 DONORS OF THE -- >> ABSOLUTELY -- YOU SAY IT WAS 343 00:17:08,962 --> 00:17:11,965 IN VIOLATION OF OPEN MEETINGS LAW, UNDERSTAND, I WAS 344 00:17:11,965 --> 00:17:14,200 REPRESENTING EDUCATION VOTERS OF IDAHO. 345 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,137 AND IN THAT CASE, THEY SET UP AN ENTITY WHICH WAS 346 00:17:17,137 --> 00:17:20,573 SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED TO KEEP THEIR DONORS PRIVATE. 347 00:17:20,573 --> 00:17:25,412 AND, IN FACT, I BELIEVE THAT SECRETARY AND THE ATTORNEY 348 00:17:25,412 --> 00:17:28,248 GENERAL GOT IT WRONG BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT 349 00:17:28,248 --> 00:17:31,484 DECIDED IN THE WASHINGTON GAY MARRIAGE INITIATIVE CASE THAT 350 00:17:31,484 --> 00:17:37,424 OPPONENTS OF THE INITIATIVE DID NOT HAVE TO DISCLOSE THEIR 351 00:17:37,424 --> 00:17:40,360 SUPPORTERS, THAT THOSE -- THAT INFORMATION WAS PROTECTED -- IT 352 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:41,895 WAS A NONPROFIT ENTITY. 353 00:17:41,895 --> 00:17:43,496 I BELIEVE THEY GOT IT WRONG HERE. 354 00:17:43,496 --> 00:17:47,167 BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, WE SAID WE WOULD 355 00:17:47,167 --> 00:17:52,639 BE HAPPY TO DISCLOSE ALL OF THOSE NAMES IF THEY WOULD 356 00:17:52,639 --> 00:17:55,108 PAY -- IF EVERYONE WAS TREATED THE SAME WAY. 357 00:17:55,108 --> 00:17:57,744 WE MADE A DEMAND ON THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE 358 00:17:57,744 --> 00:18:01,648 SECRETARY OF STATE TO DISCLOSE, TO HAVE THE DONORS OF IEA AND 359 00:18:01,648 --> 00:18:10,557 THE NEA AND -- WE GOT NOTHING BUT LIP SERVICE. 360 00:18:10,557 --> 00:18:13,126 SO, IN OTHER WORDS, IT WAS POLITICALLY, THE CASE WAS 361 00:18:13,126 --> 00:18:16,830 HANDLED ON A POLITICAL BASIS, I BELIEVE. 362 00:18:16,830 --> 00:18:21,668 AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WE SHOULD HAVE COMPLETELY OPEN AND 363 00:18:21,668 --> 00:18:23,069 TRANSPARENT ADMINISTRATIONS. 364 00:18:23,069 --> 00:18:26,706 I BELIEVE THE PUBLIC IS ENTITLED TO KNOW EVERYTHING 365 00:18:26,706 --> 00:18:27,774 THAT ITS GOVERNMENT IS DOING. 366 00:18:27,774 --> 00:18:31,678 AND I WOULD EASILY BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THAT. 367 00:18:31,678 --> 00:18:35,415 >> AND A FOLLOW-UP MR. WASDEN. 368 00:18:35,415 --> 00:18:39,686 YOU WERE -- YOUR AGENCY -- YOUR OFFICE REPRESENTED THE 369 00:18:39,686 --> 00:18:41,488 DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS IN A FIGHT TO KEEP ACCESS TO 370 00:18:41,488 --> 00:18:45,792 EXECUTIONS LIMITED AND MORE SECRET, WHICH WAS A VIOLATION 371 00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:48,428 OF PREVIOUS CASE RULINGS BY THE 9th CIRCUIT. 372 00:18:48,428 --> 00:18:49,329 SAME QUESTION TO YOU. 373 00:18:49,329 --> 00:18:52,999 CAN YOU FAIRLY ADMINISTER OPEN RECORDS AND OPEN MEETINGS RULE? 374 00:18:52,999 --> 00:18:57,637 >> I THINK THAT I HAVE AN ESTABLISHED RECORD AT FAIRLY 375 00:18:57,637 --> 00:19:00,106 ADMINISTERING OPEN MEETING AND PUBLIC RECORDS. 376 00:19:00,106 --> 00:19:03,576 THE ISSUE WITH REGARD TO THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS 377 00:19:03,576 --> 00:19:07,480 MATTER IS I HAVE A CLIENT, BY LAW I HAVE A CLIENT. 378 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,549 THE CLIENT GETS TO MAKE THOSE CHOICES. 379 00:19:09,549 --> 00:19:12,052 IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER I AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH MY 380 00:19:12,052 --> 00:19:12,752 CLIENT. 381 00:19:12,752 --> 00:19:16,289 I AM OBLIGATED BY THE RULES OF ETHICS TO LITIGATE THE CASE 382 00:19:16,289 --> 00:19:20,560 THAT THEY CHOOSE, NOT THE ONE THAT I USURP AND CHOOSE. 383 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,496 MY OPPONENTS DEMONSTRATES A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ABOUT 384 00:19:23,496 --> 00:19:25,665 WHAT THE OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DOES. 385 00:19:25,665 --> 00:19:29,569 BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ATTORNEYS ASSIGNED TO RESPECTIVE 386 00:19:29,569 --> 00:19:32,972 AGENCIES, BUT THOSE ATTORNEYS DON'T DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENS IN 387 00:19:32,972 --> 00:19:37,143 THOSE AGENCIES OR THE LAWYER, MEANING THAT THE AGENCY HAS THE 388 00:19:37,143 --> 00:19:40,680 AUTHORITY GRANTED TO THEM BY THE CONSTITUTION OR BY THE 389 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,048 STATUTES TO MAKE DECISIONS. 390 00:19:42,048 --> 00:19:45,852 THE JOB OF THE LAWYER IS TO ADVISE THEM AS TO THE LEGAL 391 00:19:45,852 --> 00:19:47,887 MATTERS AND REPRESENT THEM IN COURT. 392 00:19:47,887 --> 00:19:52,158 IT IS NOT TO USURP THE AUTHORITY OF THAT ENTITY. 393 00:19:52,158 --> 00:19:55,428 I'M ELECTED AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, NOT THE INSPECTOR 394 00:19:55,428 --> 00:19:56,229 GENERAL. 395 00:19:56,229 --> 00:19:59,799 NOW THAT THE LEGISLATURE WANTS AN INSPECTOR GENERAL, THEY 396 00:19:59,799 --> 00:20:01,434 CERTAINLY CAN PROVIDE ONE. 397 00:20:01,434 --> 00:20:05,805 THAT WOULD THEN BE THE WATCHDOG OF AGENCIES. 398 00:20:05,805 --> 00:20:09,809 THE LAWYER'S JOB IS TO ADVISE HIS CLIENT, ALLOW THEM TO MAKE 399 00:20:09,809 --> 00:20:13,079 A CHOICE, AND THEN REPRESENT THAT CLIENT ZEALOUSLY WITHIN 400 00:20:13,079 --> 00:20:14,180 THE BOUNDS OF THE LAW. 401 00:20:14,180 --> 00:20:17,283 THAT'S THE ETHICAL DUTY THAT THE LAWYER HAS. 402 00:20:17,283 --> 00:20:18,084 >> ALL RIGHT. 403 00:20:18,084 --> 00:20:19,085 LET'S MOVE ON. 404 00:20:19,085 --> 00:20:23,023 OUR NEXT QUESTION COMES FROM DR. JIM WEATHERBY. 405 00:20:23,023 --> 00:20:24,090 YOUR QUESTION. 406 00:20:24,090 --> 00:20:27,360 >> MR. TROUPIS, MY QUESTION RELATES TO YOUR QUALIFICATIONS 407 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:30,030 FOR THE OFFICE OF ATTORNEY GENERAL. 408 00:20:30,030 --> 00:20:33,633 DO YOU HAVE THE REQUISITE ADMINISTRATIVE EXPERIENCE TO 409 00:20:33,633 --> 00:20:35,902 RUN THE LARGEST LAW FIRM IN THE STATE OF IDAHO? 410 00:20:35,902 --> 00:20:39,372 >> YES, I BELIEVE I DO. 411 00:20:39,372 --> 00:20:44,744 AND TO CLARIFY, WHILE MY OPPONE 412 00:20:44,744 --> 00:20:47,947 OPPONENT HAS SAID THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE OFFICE 413 00:20:47,947 --> 00:20:51,217 DOES, I VERY MUCH UNDERSTAND. 414 00:20:51,217 --> 00:20:54,688 COMPLEX BUSINESS LITIGATION AND OTHER LITIGATION IN FEDERAL AND 415 00:20:54,688 --> 00:20:56,690 STATE COURTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. 416 00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:59,793 I HAVE HANDLED MULTIPLE TEAMS OF LAWYERS IN COMPLEX BUSINESS 417 00:20:59,793 --> 00:21:00,994 LITIGATION AND SUPERVISED THEM. 418 00:21:00,994 --> 00:21:04,531 IN THIS CASE, THERE ARE DIVISION CHIEFS OF EACH OF THE 419 00:21:04,531 --> 00:21:07,434 PORTIONS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, 420 00:21:07,434 --> 00:21:10,003 EACH OF THOSE ARE COMPETENT PROFESSIONALS. 421 00:21:10,003 --> 00:21:13,807 EACH OF THOSE ARE ATTORNEYS IN THEIR OWN RIGHT WHO HAVE 422 00:21:13,807 --> 00:21:15,742 ADMINISTRATIVE SKILLS AND CAN MANAGE THEIR STAFF. 423 00:21:15,742 --> 00:21:18,878 THEY HAVE PRIMARY OVERSIGHT, AND I WOULD HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER 424 00:21:18,878 --> 00:21:19,346 THEM. 425 00:21:19,346 --> 00:21:22,916 I DON'T HAVE ANY DOUBT THAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE CHALLENGES -- 426 00:21:22,916 --> 00:21:26,086 THAT I COULD EASILY MEET THE ADMINISTRATIVE CHALLENGES, AND, 427 00:21:26,086 --> 00:21:29,756 IN FACT, I THINK MY DIVERSE EXPERIENCE IN THE PRIVATE 428 00:21:29,756 --> 00:21:36,463 SECTOR, IN HANDLING A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF LEGAL 429 00:21:36,463 --> 00:21:39,566 PROBLEMS MAKES ME UNIQUELY CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING AND 430 00:21:39,566 --> 00:21:43,103 DEALING OF EACH OF THOSE DIVISIONS AND THE SPECIFIC 431 00:21:43,103 --> 00:21:44,270 PROBLEMS AND DEPARTMENTS. 432 00:21:44,270 --> 00:21:48,908 BOOK KEEPING, OTHER -- I HAVE SYSTEMS IN PLACE AND I WOULDN'T 433 00:21:48,908 --> 00:21:53,046 MAKE A WHOLESALE RENOVATIONS OF ALL OF THOSE SYSTEMS. 434 00:21:53,046 --> 00:21:55,749 I DON'T THINK THAT IS A CHALLENGE AT ALL AND I WELCOME 435 00:21:55,749 --> 00:21:56,116 IT. 436 00:21:56,116 --> 00:21:59,886 >> CAN YOU REVISE THE QUESTION FOR MR. WASDEN, PLEASE? 437 00:21:59,886 --> 00:22:02,789 >> ANOTHER QUESTION, RELATED QUESTION. 438 00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:03,256 >> OKAY. 439 00:22:03,256 --> 00:22:08,795 >> MR. WASDEN, MR. TROUPIS HAS CHARGED THAT LONG-TIME SERVICE 440 00:22:08,795 --> 00:22:14,334 IN PUBLIC OFFICE LEADS TO A NATURAL STAGNATION, AND 441 00:22:14,334 --> 00:22:16,369 DISCONNECT FROM THE PEOPLE. 442 00:22:16,369 --> 00:22:19,706 YOU'VE BEEN THE -- YOU ARE THE LONGEST SERVING ATTORNEY 443 00:22:19,706 --> 00:22:21,074 GENERAL IN IDAHO HISTORY. 444 00:22:21,074 --> 00:22:24,377 ISN'T THAT A LEGITIMATE CONCERN? 445 00:22:24,377 --> 00:22:25,745 >> IN MY CASE, NO. 446 00:22:25,745 --> 00:22:27,647 AND THE REASON IS THIS. 447 00:22:27,647 --> 00:22:30,517 I'VE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME OUT ON THE ROAD ACTUALLY 448 00:22:30,517 --> 00:22:33,920 TALKING TO CITIZENS SO THAT I DO STAY IN CONTACT WITH THEM. 449 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,657 IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN A LIMITED GOVERNMENT, 450 00:22:37,657 --> 00:22:40,560 THAT YOU -- YOU STAY WITHIN THE ROLE THAT YOU HAVE AS ATTORNEY 451 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:41,361 GENERAL. 452 00:22:41,361 --> 00:22:46,533 I DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE COULD LEGITIMATELY ARGUE THAT I JUST 453 00:22:46,533 --> 00:22:50,370 TOLL THE COMPANY LINE, AND THAT I AM WILLING TO STEP UP TO THE 454 00:22:50,370 --> 00:22:53,840 PLATE AND SAY YES, NO, AND THIS IS THE WAY THINGS OUGHT TO BE. 455 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,476 I HAVE DONE THAT MANY TIMES IN MY CAREER. 456 00:22:56,476 --> 00:23:00,347 WITH REGARD TO THE EDI CASE, IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT 457 00:23:00,347 --> 00:23:03,483 HAPPENED IN THAT CASE. 458 00:23:03,483 --> 00:23:10,156 THAT CASE WAS BROUGHT BY THE SECRETARY OF STATE AS A 459 00:23:10,156 --> 00:23:11,791 STATUTORY MATTER. 460 00:23:11,791 --> 00:23:15,261 I REPRESENT THE SECRETARY OF STATE, AND MR. TROUPIS AND HIS 461 00:23:15,261 --> 00:23:16,629 CLIENT LOST IN DISTRICT COURT. 462 00:23:16,629 --> 00:23:19,165 IT IS NOT THAT WE, THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND THE 463 00:23:19,165 --> 00:23:20,700 ATTORNEY GENERAL GOT IT WRONG. 464 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:24,704 WE PRESENTED IT TO A COURT AND THE COURT MADE THE DECISION. 465 00:23:24,704 --> 00:23:30,176 AND THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO REMOVE IT TO FEDERAL COURT 466 00:23:30,176 --> 00:23:32,812 AND -- DISMISSED AS WELL. 467 00:23:32,812 --> 00:23:36,649 FACT OF THE MATTER IS AS A LAWYER YOU BRING YOUR CLIENT'S 468 00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:39,352 CASE INTO THE COURTROOM, YOU PRESENT IT TO THE COURT. 469 00:23:39,352 --> 00:23:40,754 THE COURT MAKES ITS DETERMINATION. 470 00:23:40,754 --> 00:23:45,191 IF THERE IS A COMPLAINT, IT WOULD BE TO THE COURT, IN 471 00:23:45,191 --> 00:23:48,561 MR. TROUPIS'S MIND GOT IT WRONG, NOT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL 472 00:23:48,561 --> 00:23:49,929 AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE. 473 00:23:49,929 --> 00:23:53,366 YES, I DID HAVE THE ABILITY TO STEP OUT AFTER 12 YEARS OF 474 00:23:53,366 --> 00:23:55,835 SERVICE, TO STILL CONTINUE TO MEET WITH MY CLIENTS, WHICH I 475 00:23:55,835 --> 00:23:59,406 DO, TO MEET WITH THE PUBLIC, AND I AM NOT DISCONNECTED IN 476 00:23:59,406 --> 00:24:00,073 ANY WAY. 477 00:24:00,073 --> 00:24:02,942 >> JUST A BRIEF FOLLOW-UP. 478 00:24:02,942 --> 00:24:06,513 MR. TROUPIS, YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR COLLABORATION EXPERIENCE, 479 00:24:06,513 --> 00:24:11,418 BUT IN TERMS OF THE DAY-TO-DAY ADMINISTRATION, HOW MANY PEOPLE 480 00:24:11,418 --> 00:24:14,788 HAVE YOU SUPERVISED OR HOW LARGE IS YOUR LAW FIRM? 481 00:24:14,788 --> 00:24:19,626 >> I'M A SOLE PRACTITIONER. 482 00:24:19,626 --> 00:24:21,261 I PRACTICE ALONE. 483 00:24:21,261 --> 00:24:23,897 I PRACTICE WITH OTHER ATTORNEYS. 484 00:24:23,897 --> 00:24:27,334 I'M INVOLVED IN SOME MULTIMILLION DOLLAR LITIGATION 485 00:24:27,334 --> 00:24:28,168 AT PRESENT. 486 00:24:28,168 --> 00:24:30,704 THE CURRENT NUMBER OF ATTORNEYS ON THE TEAM EXCEEDS 20. 487 00:24:30,704 --> 00:24:40,013 I JUST DON'T THINK THAT -- MY OPPONENT, DID NOT SUPERVISE 112 488 00:24:40,013 --> 00:24:41,014 ATTORNEYS PERSONALLY. 489 00:24:41,014 --> 00:24:55,028 HE HAS A STAFF, A HIGHER -- HIERARCHY -- I CERTAINLY HAVE 490 00:24:55,028 --> 00:24:59,232 NO PROBLEM IN ADMINISTERING THE SIX DIVISION HEADS AND IN 491 00:24:59,232 --> 00:25:02,836 OVERSEEING THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS AND IMPORTANT CASES 492 00:25:02,836 --> 00:25:04,938 THAT ARE BEING HANDLED OUT OF THAT OFFICE. 493 00:25:04,938 --> 00:25:10,243 I WOULD LIKE TO JUST COMMENT JUST VERY BRIEFLY WHEN -- MY 494 00:25:10,243 --> 00:25:13,313 OPPONENT WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT EDI CASE. 495 00:25:13,313 --> 00:25:17,617 MY COMMENT WAS THAT THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT ISSUED A 496 00:25:17,617 --> 00:25:24,257 DECISION DIRECTLY CONTRARY TO THE DECISION ISSUED IN THE EDI 497 00:25:24,257 --> 00:25:24,691 CASE. 498 00:25:24,691 --> 00:25:27,627 HE DIDN'T GET IT WRONG. 499 00:25:27,627 --> 00:25:30,530 THE POSITION WAS REJECTED BY THE U.S. SUPREME COURT. 500 00:25:30,530 --> 00:25:34,334 >> IN TERMS OF YOUR CAREER, HOW MUCH TIME PRECISELY HAVE YOU 501 00:25:34,334 --> 00:25:36,369 SPENT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR? 502 00:25:36,369 --> 00:25:42,876 >> I WAS IN PRIVATE PRACTICE IN A FIRM HAMILTON, CLARK, 503 00:25:42,876 --> 00:25:48,081 MICHAELSON, FROM 198 -- 1979, WOULD HAVE BEEN -- NO, JANUARY 504 00:25:48,081 --> 00:25:53,353 OF '79 OR '80 TO ABOUT -- EXCUSE ME, I GOT THAT WRONG BY 505 00:25:53,353 --> 00:25:54,921 A DECADE. 506 00:25:54,921 --> 00:25:58,491 I GRADUATED FROM LAW SCHOOL IN 1985. 507 00:25:58,491 --> 00:26:04,497 HARD TO PRACTICE LAW IN 1982. 508 00:26:04,497 --> 00:26:10,870 ACTUALLY IN 1987 TO 1989, I WAS IN PRIVATE PRACTICE WITH 509 00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:15,308 HAMILTON, CLARK, AND MICHAELSON IN NAMPA. 510 00:26:15,308 --> 00:26:16,343 >> MOVING ON. 511 00:26:16,343 --> 00:26:19,579 >> THIS QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH RESOURCES WITHIN THE ATTORNEY 512 00:26:19,579 --> 00:26:20,613 GENERAL'S OFFICE. 513 00:26:20,613 --> 00:26:22,248 QUESTION IS FOR BOTH OF YOU. 514 00:26:22,248 --> 00:26:27,887 I BELIEVE WE'RE STARTING WITH MR. -- MR. WASDEN, OKAY. 515 00:26:27,887 --> 00:26:30,890 TURNOVER ATTORNEY GENERAL OFFICE HAS INCREASED AS LAWYERS 516 00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:33,727 LEAVE STATE GOVERNMENT JOBS TO EARN SIGNIFICANTLY MORE PAY IN 517 00:26:33,727 --> 00:26:34,694 THE PRIVATE SECTOR. 518 00:26:34,694 --> 00:26:38,531 HOW DO YOU RECRUIT AND MAINTAIN WELL QUALIFIED ATTORNEYS TO 519 00:26:38,531 --> 00:26:39,499 WORK WITHIN YOUR OFFICE? 520 00:26:39,499 --> 00:26:40,166 >> THANK YOU. 521 00:26:40,166 --> 00:26:41,735 THIS IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM. 522 00:26:41,735 --> 00:26:44,704 IT IS NOT JUST TURNOVER INTO THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN WHICH 523 00:26:44,704 --> 00:26:47,540 ATTORNEYS FROM MY OFFICE CAN GO OUT AND DOUBLE THEIR SALARY 524 00:26:47,540 --> 00:26:48,008 OVERNIGHT. 525 00:26:48,008 --> 00:26:51,911 BUT ALSO THE COUNTIES CAN PAY MORE FOR THEIR LAWYERS THAN WE 526 00:26:51,911 --> 00:26:54,547 DO IN THE STATE OF IDAHO AT THE STATE LEVEL. 527 00:26:54,547 --> 00:26:58,852 AND THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT I HAVE REPEATEDLY DISCUSSED WITH 528 00:26:58,852 --> 00:27:01,187 THE JOINT FINANCE AND APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. 529 00:27:01,187 --> 00:27:04,324 IN FACT, I'M THE ONE WHO BROUGHT THIS ISSUE FORWARD WITH 530 00:27:04,324 --> 00:27:10,663 REGARD TO THE COST OF OUTSIDE COUNSEL, SAYING THAT WE NEED TO 531 00:27:10,663 --> 00:27:13,700 GET CONTROL OF THAT, HOW WE DEAL WITH OUR BUDGET AND THE 532 00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:16,403 COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH OUTSIDE COUNSEL. 533 00:27:16,403 --> 00:27:18,038 I HAVE BROUGHT THIS MATTER FORWARD. 534 00:27:18,038 --> 00:27:20,774 HOW WE COMPETE WHEN WE TRY TO FIND PEOPLE WHO REALLY ARE 535 00:27:20,774 --> 00:27:22,475 DEDICATED TO PUBLIC SERVICE. 536 00:27:22,475 --> 00:27:25,612 THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE A PAY CUT BECAUSE THEY -- BECAUSE 537 00:27:25,612 --> 00:27:29,149 THEY WANT TO DO PUBLIC SERVICE, AND WE ALSO AT THE SAME TIME 538 00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:34,988 HAVE TO WORK IN A WAY THAT PAYS THEM AS MUCH AS WE CAN SO THAT 539 00:27:34,988 --> 00:27:36,990 WE AREN'T TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THEM. 540 00:27:36,990 --> 00:27:41,594 IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN A CADRE OF LAWYERS WHO 541 00:27:41,594 --> 00:27:45,365 HAVE THE EXPERTISE NECESSARY TO HANDLE SOME OF THE MOST COMPLEX 542 00:27:45,365 --> 00:27:46,366 MATTERS IN THE STATE. 543 00:27:46,366 --> 00:27:49,869 WE HAVE A STAFF OF ABOUT 120 LAWYERS. 544 00:27:49,869 --> 00:27:52,272 JUST UNDER TOTAL COMPLIMENT OF 200. 545 00:27:52,272 --> 00:27:56,710 IT IS THE LARGEST LAW OFFICE IN THE STATE. 546 00:27:56,710 --> 00:28:03,116 NOT THE SAME THINGS YOU EXPERIENCED IN AN SO PRACTICE. 547 00:28:03,116 --> 00:28:06,653 AS A MANAGER OF ALL OF THAT, I KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN SOME 548 00:28:06,653 --> 00:28:09,189 MEASURE WITH CASES AT THE VERY LOWEST LEVEL. 549 00:28:09,189 --> 00:28:12,692 WE WILL HANDLE 5,000 TO 6,000 MATTERS AND PROCESS AT ANY 550 00:28:12,692 --> 00:28:13,493 GIVEN MOMENT. 551 00:28:13,493 --> 00:28:15,962 IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYONE OF 552 00:28:15,962 --> 00:28:18,665 THOSE CASES ALL OF THE TIME. 553 00:28:18,665 --> 00:28:22,235 BUT AT THE SAME TIME I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS ENTIRE SPAN OF 554 00:28:22,235 --> 00:28:22,836 THINGS. 555 00:28:22,836 --> 00:28:28,408 MY OWN EXPERIENCE, I SERVED AS A -- AS A SUPERVISING DEPUTY, 556 00:28:28,408 --> 00:28:33,413 SERVED AS A CHIEF OF STAFF, AND ALSO AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. 557 00:28:33,413 --> 00:28:35,982 I HAVE A VERY SOUND VIEW OF WHAT EVERYONE IS DOING. 558 00:28:35,982 --> 00:28:38,518 WHEN I ASK SOMEBODY IN THE OFFICE TO DO SOMETHING, IT IS 559 00:28:38,518 --> 00:28:39,953 SOMETHING THAT I HAVE DONE BEFORE. 560 00:28:39,953 --> 00:28:43,523 IT IS NOT LIKE I AM ASKING THEM TO DO SOMETHING THAT I AM 561 00:28:43,523 --> 00:28:46,626 UNAWARE OF OR DON'T HAVE A GRASP ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT THAT 562 00:28:46,626 --> 00:28:47,427 MAY BE. 563 00:28:47,427 --> 00:28:52,165 SO, THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS TRY TO RECRUIT PEOPLE WHO HAVE 564 00:28:52,165 --> 00:28:55,168 A DESIRE TO SERVE IN THE PUBLIC, AND TRY TO MAKE SURE 565 00:28:55,168 --> 00:28:58,538 THAT WE MAINTAIN THEIR SALARIES AS HIGH AS WE CAN. 566 00:28:58,538 --> 00:28:59,639 >> MR. TROUPIS. 567 00:28:59,639 --> 00:29:03,109 >> YES, AND I CAN APPRECIATE WHAT MY OPPONENT HAS SAID. 568 00:29:03,109 --> 00:29:06,279 AND I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH MOST EVERYTHING THAT HE HAS 569 00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:06,746 SAID. 570 00:29:06,746 --> 00:29:09,315 ONE POINT -- A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I WOULD DIFFER ON. 571 00:29:09,315 --> 00:29:14,220 ONE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE RECRUITING SOME PEOPLE WHO I 572 00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:20,060 WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE WOULD BE CAREER POLITICIANS OR HAVE A 573 00:29:20,060 --> 00:29:21,327 CAREER IN PUBLIC SERVICE. 574 00:29:21,327 --> 00:29:27,400 I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S 575 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,470 OFFICE, OFFER YOUNG LAWYERS OUT OF LAW SCHOOL THE OPPORTUNITY 576 00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:33,506 TO ENGAGE IN EXCITING CASES, TO GIVE US TWO TO FOUR YEARS OF 577 00:29:33,506 --> 00:29:36,242 THEIR TIME TO DEVOTE TO IMPORTANT ISSUES AND CASES AND 578 00:29:36,242 --> 00:29:39,946 THEN MOVE ON TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR OR MOVE ON TO OTHER 579 00:29:39,946 --> 00:29:40,413 OFFICES. 580 00:29:40,413 --> 00:29:43,683 AND IN THAT SENSE, I THINK THERE IS AN UNTAPPED POTENTIAL 581 00:29:43,683 --> 00:29:46,519 IN YOUNG LAWYERS, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT MOST 582 00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:49,789 LAWYERS ARE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING JOBS THESE DAYS. 583 00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:51,057 THE SECOND POINT IS THIS. 584 00:29:51,057 --> 00:29:56,262 I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THIS JOB STRICTLY FROM THE ASPECT OF IT 585 00:29:56,262 --> 00:30:00,000 BEING AN ADMINISTRATOR, ADMINISTRATOR OF A LOT OF OTHER 586 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,736 PEOPLE, YOU MISS THE FOREST FOR THE TREES. 587 00:30:02,736 --> 00:30:05,105 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S MOST IMPORTANT JOB IS THE DEFENSE OF 588 00:30:05,105 --> 00:30:08,908 THE CONSTITUTION, AS MY OPPONENT HAS SAID, THE DEFENSE 589 00:30:08,908 --> 00:30:12,712 OF IMPORTANT VALUES THAT IDAHOANS TREASURE AND CHERISH, 590 00:30:12,712 --> 00:30:15,982 AND THOSE VALUES THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE MUST BE 591 00:30:15,982 --> 00:30:21,721 FOCUSED UPON, AND I THINK THAT THAT IS WHY I AM UNIQUELY 592 00:30:21,721 --> 00:30:25,925 QUALIFIED FOR THIS JOB, BECAUSE I HAVE THE PASSION, THE 593 00:30:25,925 --> 00:30:29,295 COMMITMENT AND THE FOCUS ON THE IMPORTANT ISSUES AND VALUES 594 00:30:29,295 --> 00:30:30,764 THAT CONCERN IDAHOANS. 595 00:30:30,764 --> 00:30:34,034 THOSE THINGS THAT MY OPPONENT HAS GOTTEN WRONG, AND WHICH HE 596 00:30:34,034 --> 00:30:37,470 HAS BEEN DISCONNECTED FROM THE PUBLIC. 597 00:30:37,470 --> 00:30:38,672 THINGS LIKE THE EPA. 598 00:30:38,672 --> 00:30:43,209 WHEN A FAMILY UP NORTH ASKED HIM TO INTERVENE IN A CASE 599 00:30:43,209 --> 00:30:47,747 WHERE THE EPA WAS HARASSING THEM, AND HE REFUSED EVEN 600 00:30:47,747 --> 00:30:50,583 THOUGH 18 LEGISLATORS ASKED HIM TO DO SO. 601 00:30:50,583 --> 00:30:53,853 LAND BOARD, COMPETITION WITH PRIVATE INDUSTRY. 602 00:30:53,853 --> 00:30:58,091 THOSE THINGS I THINK SHOW THAT WE'VE LOST THE FOREST FOR THE 603 00:30:58,091 --> 00:31:01,361 TREES AND WE NEED TO REFOCUS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE. 604 00:31:01,361 --> 00:31:02,896 >> AND MOVING ON. 605 00:31:02,896 --> 00:31:06,633 NEXT QUESTION FROM REBECCA BOONE, PLEASE DIRECT YOUR 606 00:31:06,633 --> 00:31:07,867 QUESTION TO MR. TROUPIS. 607 00:31:07,867 --> 00:31:12,539 >> YOU'VE IDENTIFIED YOURSELF -- TEA PARTY 608 00:31:12,539 --> 00:31:16,276 CANDIDATE, BEING SEEN AS ALIGNED WITH A SPECIFIC GROUP 609 00:31:16,276 --> 00:31:19,612 CAN SOMETIMES ALIENATE LAWMAKERS WHO ARE NOT MEMBERS 610 00:31:19,612 --> 00:31:23,016 OF THAT GROUP AND TRUST IS AN ESSENTIAL INGREDIENT TO A 611 00:31:23,016 --> 00:31:24,884 HEALTHY ATTORNEY CLIENT RELATIONSHIP. 612 00:31:24,884 --> 00:31:28,455 CAN YOU EFFECTIVELY REPRESENT THE ENTIRE LEGISLATURE AND THE 613 00:31:28,455 --> 00:31:30,357 NUANCES THAT ARE PRESENT IN EACH AGENCY? 614 00:31:30,357 --> 00:31:34,194 >> YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SAY THIS ABOUT YOUR QUESTION. 615 00:31:34,194 --> 00:31:38,298 I CERTAINLY AM -- I THINK THE TEA PARTY HAS ADOPTED ME 616 00:31:38,298 --> 00:31:42,769 BECAUSE I HAVE THE SAME VALUES THAT THEY DO, BUT I DON'T VIEW 617 00:31:42,769 --> 00:31:45,105 MYSELF AS A TEA PARTY CANDIDATE. 618 00:31:45,105 --> 00:31:51,311 IN FACT, I VIEW MYSELF AS A MAINSTREAM CANDIDATE. 619 00:31:51,311 --> 00:31:55,949 THE -- TAGGED BY MY OPPONENT AS BEING A FRINGED MEMBER OF THE 620 00:31:55,949 --> 00:31:59,786 PARTY, ARE THE VIEWS THE ENTIRE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE HAS 621 00:31:59,786 --> 00:32:03,890 AGREED WITH, TAKING BACK OUR FEDERAL LANDS FOR THE STATE OF 622 00:32:03,890 --> 00:32:04,424 IDAHO. 623 00:32:04,424 --> 00:32:07,894 HOUSE RESOLUTIONS 21 AND 22 PASSED BY A MAJORITY, ALMOST 624 00:32:07,894 --> 00:32:10,697 EVERY REPUBLICAN VOTED FOR THOSE BILLS. 625 00:32:10,697 --> 00:32:15,235 AND IN ADDITION, THE STATE AND NATIONAL REPUBLICAN PARTY 626 00:32:15,235 --> 00:32:16,269 OVERWHELMINGLY AGREED. 627 00:32:16,269 --> 00:32:19,706 MY OTHER VIEWS ABOUT PUSHING BACK THE EPA, ABOUT THE LAND 628 00:32:19,706 --> 00:32:22,742 BOARD NOT COMPETING WITH PRIVATE BUSINESS, THOSE ARE ALL 629 00:32:22,742 --> 00:32:26,346 MAIN STREAM ISSUES, AND AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, I HAVE DONE 630 00:32:26,346 --> 00:32:27,914 WORK WITH THE LEGISLATURE FOR MANY YEARS. 631 00:32:27,914 --> 00:32:31,284 I HAVE PROVIDED THEM MY ASSISTANCE AND LEGAL ADVICE ON 632 00:32:31,284 --> 00:32:32,352 A NUMBER OF ISSUES. 633 00:32:32,352 --> 00:32:36,923 I HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH MANY LEGISLATORS, AND I'M A LOT 634 00:32:36,923 --> 00:32:39,826 MORE OPEN-MINDED THAN YOU MIGHT THINK. 635 00:32:39,826 --> 00:32:45,031 I HAVE HANDLED CASES -- I DID HANDLE THE CLOSED PRIMARY CASE. 636 00:32:45,031 --> 00:32:48,468 I REPRESENTED RALPH NADER IN GETTING THE INDEPENDENT 637 00:32:48,468 --> 00:32:50,370 CANDIDATES ON THE BALLOT IN IDAHO. 638 00:32:50,370 --> 00:32:54,207 I HAVE REPRESENTED PEOPLE OF EVERY WALK OF LIFE AND EVERY 639 00:32:54,207 --> 00:32:55,208 INTEREST GROUP. 640 00:32:55,208 --> 00:32:58,778 AND I WOULD ENSURE THAT THE CONSTITUTION AND THE STATUTES 641 00:32:58,778 --> 00:33:02,082 OF IDAHO ARE EQUALLY APPLIED FOR EVERY PERSON. 642 00:33:02,082 --> 00:33:06,086 AND I KNOW THAT I COULD WORK EFFECTIVELY WITH OUR ENTIRE 643 00:33:06,086 --> 00:33:06,720 LEGISLATURE. 644 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,423 AND THAT'S DEMOCRATS AS WELL AS THE REPUBLICANS. 645 00:33:10,423 --> 00:33:12,726 >> RELATED QUESTION. 646 00:33:12,726 --> 00:33:15,695 YOU HAVE HAD A SOMETIMES ROCKY RELATIONSHIP WITH SOME MEMBERS 647 00:33:15,695 --> 00:33:21,334 OF THE LEGISLATURE, THE TEA PARTY -- LAWMAKERS, AND SOME OF 648 00:33:21,334 --> 00:33:25,438 THAT HAS BEEN WHEN YOUR OFFICE HAS ISSUED OPINIONS SAYING THAT 649 00:33:25,438 --> 00:33:28,074 CERTAIN PIECES OF PROPOSED LEGISLATION WOULDN'T 650 00:33:28,074 --> 00:33:31,644 NECESSARILY APPEAR TO PASS CONSTITUTIONAL MUSTER. 651 00:33:31,644 --> 00:33:34,647 WITH THAT TENSION, CAN YOU STILL EFFECTIVELY REPRESENT THE 652 00:33:34,647 --> 00:33:36,016 WHOLE OF THE LEGISLATURE? 653 00:33:36,016 --> 00:33:36,983 >> ABSOLUTELY. 654 00:33:36,983 --> 00:33:41,121 I'VE DONE IT FOR 12 YEARS. 655 00:33:41,121 --> 00:33:45,458 THE QUESTION REALLY IS DO I HAVE THE COURAGE AS THE 656 00:33:45,458 --> 00:33:49,129 ATTORNEY GENERAL TO TELL PEOPLE THE THINGS THEY NEED TO KNOW, 657 00:33:49,129 --> 00:33:52,098 RATHER THAN JUST THE RHETORIC THAT THEY WANT TO HEAR. 658 00:33:52,098 --> 00:33:55,935 AND I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 659 00:33:55,935 --> 00:33:58,705 THE FACT AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL YOU'RE CALLED UPON BY 660 00:33:58,705 --> 00:34:02,409 LAW TO ANSWER LEGAL QUESTIONS, NOT POLICY QUESTIONS. 661 00:34:02,409 --> 00:34:07,580 NOT IS THIS GOOD LEGISLATION OR IS THIS BAD LEGISLATION, BUT 662 00:34:07,580 --> 00:34:11,584 INSTEAD RENDER A LEGAL OPINION DOES THIS MEET CONSTITUTIONAL 663 00:34:11,584 --> 00:34:13,053 MUSTER OR DOES IT NOT? 664 00:34:13,053 --> 00:34:16,156 SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO LOOK INTO A CRYSTAL BALL AND TRY TO 665 00:34:16,156 --> 00:34:18,992 PREDICT WHAT THE COURT WILL ULTIMATELY SAY, BUT YOUR DUTY 666 00:34:18,992 --> 00:34:21,695 IS TO MAKE THAT CALL AS OBJECTIVELY AS YOU CAN. 667 00:34:21,695 --> 00:34:24,531 THAT'S THE BEST ADVICE YOU CAN OFFER YOUR CLIENT, WHETHER THEY 668 00:34:24,531 --> 00:34:26,499 LIKE IT OR WHETHER THEY DISLIKE IT. 669 00:34:26,499 --> 00:34:29,903 WHAT IT DOES WHEN YOU PERFORM THAT FUNCTION, IS IT INFORMS 670 00:34:29,903 --> 00:34:34,274 THEM IN A WAY THAT THEY CAN MAKE A LEGITIMATE AND 671 00:34:34,274 --> 00:34:36,509 MEANINGFUL DECISION BASED UPON THAT ADVICE. 672 00:34:36,509 --> 00:34:38,745 IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU DO THAT. 673 00:34:38,745 --> 00:34:43,917 SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH REGARD TO THE CASE UP NORTH, MY 674 00:34:43,917 --> 00:34:50,123 OPPONENT SAYS THAT I REFUSED TO -- 18 LEGISLATORS ASKED ME, 675 00:34:50,123 --> 00:34:53,626 PROBLEM WAS THE 18 LEGISLATORS DIDN'T ASK UNTIL THE PERIOD HAD 676 00:34:53,626 --> 00:34:55,028 CLOSED TO ENTER THE CASE. 677 00:34:55,028 --> 00:34:58,865 IN FACT, WE CONSIDERED THAT MATTER, AND I -- AND I DID TALK 678 00:34:58,865 --> 00:35:01,468 TO MY CLIENT AND MY CLIENT ASKED ME NOT TO SIGN ON. 679 00:35:01,468 --> 00:35:04,771 AND AS A LAWYER, YOU HAVE AN ETHICAL DUTY TO ACTUALLY TALK 680 00:35:04,771 --> 00:35:06,673 TO YOUR CLIENT ABOUT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 681 00:35:06,673 --> 00:35:12,879 AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE CONSIDERED WHAT WAS THE PROPER 682 00:35:12,879 --> 00:35:16,349 LEGAL ISSUE, THE STATE DEFENSIBLE ISSUE IN THAT CASE, 683 00:35:16,349 --> 00:35:17,517 AND THERE WASN'T ONE. 684 00:35:17,517 --> 00:35:26,593 BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY OF DUEL SOVEREIGNS -- EACH CAN 685 00:35:26,593 --> 00:35:27,894 ENFORCE THEIR OWN LAWS. 686 00:35:27,894 --> 00:35:34,801 I DISAGREE WITH WHAT THE EPA DID BECAUSE THEY WERE WAY 687 00:35:34,801 --> 00:35:35,802 OVERREACHING. 688 00:35:35,802 --> 00:35:38,004 THERE WASN'T A STATE LEGALLY PROTECTED INTEREST IN THAT 689 00:35:38,004 --> 00:35:38,438 CASE. 690 00:35:38,438 --> 00:35:41,641 THAT IS THE REASON -- THE -- NOT A STATE DEFENSIBLE ISSUE. 691 00:35:41,641 --> 00:35:44,544 WITH REGARD TO THE LAND BOARD, IF YOU PICK UP THE IDAHO 692 00:35:44,544 --> 00:35:50,350 CONSTITUTION AND YOU READ IT, ARTICLE 9 SECTION 8, IT SAYS 693 00:35:50,350 --> 00:35:56,923 THAT THE LAND BOARD IS TO OBTAIN THE MAXIMUM LONG-TERM 694 00:35:56,923 --> 00:36:00,126 FINANCIAL RETURN FROM CERTAIN ENDOWMENT LANDS IN ORDER TO 695 00:36:00,126 --> 00:36:03,029 BENEFIT SCHOOLS AND OTHER BENEFICIARIES. 696 00:36:03,029 --> 00:36:06,599 IF YOU READ THAT LANGUAGE AND READ THE CASE LAW THAT OUR OWN 697 00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:10,203 IDAHO SUPREME COURT ISSUED, IT SAID LAND BOARD YOU ARE IN 698 00:36:10,203 --> 00:36:10,670 BUSINESS. 699 00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:13,473 YOU ARE THE BUSINESS MANAGERS OF THE STATE'S LAND BUSINESS. 700 00:36:13,473 --> 00:36:16,309 YOUR JOB IS TO GO OUT IN THE PRIVATE MARKETPLACE AND TO MAKE 701 00:36:16,309 --> 00:36:20,146 AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU CAN FOR SCHOOLS. 702 00:36:20,146 --> 00:36:23,950 NOW, THAT MEANS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, WE OWN FOREST LAND. 703 00:36:23,950 --> 00:36:28,054 WE'RE COMPETING WITH OTHER FOREST LAND HOLDERS. 704 00:36:28,054 --> 00:36:32,325 WE'RE COMPETING WITH -- WITH OTHERS. 705 00:36:32,325 --> 00:36:36,329 WE HAVE -- WE'RE COMPETING WITH OTHER COTTAGE SITE HOLDERS. 706 00:36:36,329 --> 00:36:39,699 YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT YOU HAVE AS 707 00:36:39,699 --> 00:36:47,173 A LAND BOARD MEMBER TO PERFORM THE FIDUCIARY DUTY TO THE 708 00:36:47,173 --> 00:36:48,341 SCHOOL CHILDREN. 709 00:36:48,341 --> 00:36:51,978 MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU CAN ON THEIR BEHALF. 710 00:36:51,978 --> 00:36:57,684 CONSTITUTION THAT I TOOK AN OATH TO UPHOLD, SAYS YOU ARE 711 00:36:57,684 --> 00:37:01,955 RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU CAN FOR THE SCHOOL 712 00:37:01,955 --> 00:37:02,489 CHILDREN. 713 00:37:02,489 --> 00:37:05,225 IT IS IMPORTANT TO FULFILL THE OBLIGATION UNDER THE 714 00:37:05,225 --> 00:37:05,859 CONSTITUTION. 715 00:37:05,859 --> 00:37:11,064 >> I KNOW THIS QUESTION HAS A LOT TO DO WITH WHAT THEY JUST 716 00:37:11,064 --> 00:37:11,598 ANSWERED. 717 00:37:11,598 --> 00:37:22,042 >> MR. WAZ -- GOP IS A BATTLE, A FIGHT FOR THE HEART AND SOUL 718 00:37:22,042 --> 00:37:23,209 OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. 719 00:37:23,209 --> 00:37:32,152 ARE YOU OUT THERE ON THE FAR EDGE OR ARE YOU RATIONAL? 720 00:37:32,152 --> 00:37:37,223 CAN YOU CALLING MR. TROUPIS AN EXTREMIST? 721 00:37:37,223 --> 00:37:42,262 >> MY HIGH SCHOOL ENGLISH TEACHER SAID IF YOU WANT TO BE 722 00:37:42,262 --> 00:37:44,597 TERRIFIC, YOU HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC. 723 00:37:44,597 --> 00:37:46,066 I DIDN'T USE THE WORD FRINGE. 724 00:37:46,066 --> 00:37:49,869 THAT WAS THE LEWISTON TRIBUNE THAT MY OPPONENT QUOTES. 725 00:37:49,869 --> 00:37:53,106 I -- I DID SAY EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. 726 00:37:53,106 --> 00:37:59,379 THAT IS, THIS IS, IN FACT, A FIGHT FOR THE HEART AND SOUL OF 727 00:37:59,379 --> 00:38:01,047 THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. 728 00:38:01,047 --> 00:38:05,218 TWO FACTIONS, AND TO -- AND THERE ARE SOME MAIN STREAM 729 00:38:05,218 --> 00:38:08,188 RATIONALE FOLKS AND THERE ARE FOLKS ON THE EDGE, AND THAT IS 730 00:38:08,188 --> 00:38:09,222 JUST HOW IT IS. 731 00:38:09,222 --> 00:38:14,060 SO, I DO HOPE THAT THE RATIONALE THOUGHT COMES 732 00:38:14,060 --> 00:38:14,761 THROUGH. 733 00:38:14,761 --> 00:38:17,397 SO, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS ELECTION. 734 00:38:17,397 --> 00:38:21,601 AND DO NOT IN ANY WAY BACK AWAY FROM MY STATEMENT THAT THAT IS 735 00:38:21,601 --> 00:38:26,406 THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THIS ELECTION IS OCCURRING. 736 00:38:26,406 --> 00:38:29,476 >> LET ME FOLLOW-UP, MR. TROUPIS, IN TERMS OF WHERE 737 00:38:29,476 --> 00:38:41,688 WE LOCATE YOU ON THE IDEA IDEAOLOGICAL SPECTRUM -- A 738 00:38:41,688 --> 00:38:46,993 COUPLE OF COMMENTS -- WHEN HE SAID HE DID NOT INTERVENE 739 00:38:46,993 --> 00:38:52,165 BECAUSE IT WAS TOO LATE, IN THE LETTER THAT HE WROTE APRIL OF 740 00:38:52,165 --> 00:38:55,168 2012, HE IDENTIFIED THE CLIENT AS THE DEPARTMENT OF WATER 741 00:38:55,168 --> 00:38:55,702 RESOURCES. 742 00:38:55,702 --> 00:38:57,203 THEY DECIDED NOT TO INTERVENE. 743 00:38:57,203 --> 00:38:58,538 THEY LOOKED AT THE CASE. 744 00:38:58,538 --> 00:39:02,275 UPPED HIS DUTIES, SUBSECTION 15 OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S 745 00:39:02,275 --> 00:39:05,945 DUTIES, HE IS TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE THE RIGHTS AND 746 00:39:05,945 --> 00:39:08,481 PROPERTY OF IDAHO RESIDENTS. 747 00:39:08,481 --> 00:39:11,484 HE COULD HAVE INTERVENED. 748 00:39:11,484 --> 00:39:12,852 13 OTHER STATES DID. 749 00:39:12,852 --> 00:39:16,489 UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT DECIDED 9-0 THAT THEIR RIGHTS 750 00:39:16,489 --> 00:39:17,290 WERE INFRINGED. 751 00:39:17,290 --> 00:39:20,126 THAT IS THE DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE PEOPLE AND THE ATTORNEY 752 00:39:20,126 --> 00:39:21,294 GENERAL'S OFFICE. 753 00:39:21,294 --> 00:39:23,763 THEY THINK THEY'RE REPRESENTING THE GOVERNMENT INSTEAD OF 754 00:39:23,763 --> 00:39:25,565 REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE. 755 00:39:25,565 --> 00:39:28,501 THE SECOND PART IS -- ON THE LAND BOARD. 756 00:39:28,501 --> 00:39:33,406 HE SAID -- AND I AGREE, THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THE MAXIMUM 757 00:39:33,406 --> 00:39:34,341 FINANCIAL RETURN. 758 00:39:34,341 --> 00:39:37,677 BUT SELLING TIMBER IS SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZED UNDER 759 00:39:37,677 --> 00:39:41,147 THE IDAHO CONSTITUTION, BUT COMPETING WITH PRIVATE 760 00:39:41,147 --> 00:39:42,782 BUSINESSES IS NOT. 761 00:39:42,782 --> 00:39:46,052 AND 1962 SUPREME COURT CASE ON THAT POINT. 762 00:39:46,052 --> 00:39:50,223 SO, IN SAYING I'M IN THE MAINSTREAM, I BELIEVE THAT -- 763 00:39:50,223 --> 00:39:54,894 AND MY VIEWS ON TAKING BACK FEDERAL LANDS ARE MAINSTREAM, 764 00:39:54,894 --> 00:39:58,698 AND I BELIEVE THAT EACH AND EVERYONE OF THE POSITIONS I 765 00:39:58,698 --> 00:40:02,535 HAVE TAKEN, IN LINE WITH NOT ONLY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY MAIN 766 00:40:02,535 --> 00:40:07,807 STREAM, BUT IN LINE OF THE VIEWS OF MOST AVERAGE IDAHOANS. 767 00:40:07,807 --> 00:40:14,247 >> A QUICK FOLLOW-UP. 768 00:40:14,247 --> 00:40:18,451 IF IN WASDEN -- >> ABSOLUTELY. 769 00:40:18,451 --> 00:40:19,552 I AM A REPUBLICAN. 770 00:40:19,552 --> 00:40:24,924 I BELIEVE IN REPUBLICAN VALUES, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY 771 00:40:24,924 --> 00:40:29,929 PLATFORM -- YES, IF HE WINS, IF HE DOES, I WILL SUPPORT HIM. 772 00:40:29,929 --> 00:40:32,032 >> WOULD YOU SUPPORT MR. TROUPIS? 773 00:40:32,032 --> 00:40:35,135 >> I CERTAINLY SUPPORT ALL REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES IN THE 774 00:40:35,135 --> 00:40:36,002 GENERAL ELECTION. 775 00:40:36,002 --> 00:40:39,272 >> DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW-UP ON THE LAND BOARD? 776 00:40:39,272 --> 00:40:39,839 >> SURE. 777 00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:42,275 YOU BOTH TALKED ABOUT THE LAND BOARD QUITE A BIT. 778 00:40:42,275 --> 00:40:48,114 WE WILL SKIP TO THIS QUESTION NOW. 779 00:40:48,114 --> 00:40:51,918 MR. TROUPIS, YOU SAID THAT THE STATE SHOULDN'T COMPETE WITH 780 00:40:51,918 --> 00:40:55,955 COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND HOW CAN THE LAND BOARD UPHOLD THAT 781 00:40:55,955 --> 00:40:59,492 CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO MAXIMIZE ITS FINANCIAL RETURNS BUT NOT 782 00:40:59,492 --> 00:41:02,062 BE IN COMPETITION WITH PRIVATE BUSINESS? 783 00:41:02,062 --> 00:41:05,265 >> IT TURNS OUT THAT, AS I SAID, THE CONSTITUTION, IN 784 00:41:05,265 --> 00:41:10,170 SECTION 8, ARTICLE 9, SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS THE LAND 785 00:41:10,170 --> 00:41:11,338 BOARD TO SELL TIMBER. 786 00:41:11,338 --> 00:41:15,175 AND, IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICS, WHILE MOST 787 00:41:15,175 --> 00:41:18,645 STATES LOSE MONEY ON PUBLIC LANDS -- STATES OF IDAHO, 788 00:41:18,645 --> 00:41:21,715 WYOMING, AND I BELIEVE WASHINGTON, ACTUALLY COUNTERED 789 00:41:21,715 --> 00:41:26,353 FOR 73% OF THE PROFITS ON MANAGEMENT OF PUBLIC LANDS AND 790 00:41:26,353 --> 00:41:30,123 66% OF THE REVENUES AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE TIMBERLANDS THEY 791 00:41:30,123 --> 00:41:30,557 HELD. 792 00:41:30,557 --> 00:41:34,027 IN FACT, WHAT WE FOUND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACCOUNTING OF THE 793 00:41:34,027 --> 00:41:37,297 LAND BOARD, THEY ACTUALLY EITHER LOST MONEY OR MADE VERY 794 00:41:37,297 --> 00:41:41,267 LITTLE MONEY ON THE RESIDENTIAL INVESTMENTS, RESIDENTIAL 795 00:41:41,267 --> 00:41:43,737 PROPERTY INVESTMENTS AND COMMERCIAL INVESTMENTS. 796 00:41:43,737 --> 00:41:47,307 IN TIMBER, THEY CAN MAKE 6 TO 8% RETURN, WHICH I BELIEVE 797 00:41:47,307 --> 00:41:50,744 WOULD INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE 798 00:41:50,744 --> 00:41:51,678 FOR THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 799 00:41:51,678 --> 00:41:54,748 IN ADDITION, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE MAXIMUM FINANCIAL 800 00:41:54,748 --> 00:41:58,952 RETURN, IT MUST BE IN LINE WITH THE FIDUCIARY DUTIES OF THE 801 00:41:58,952 --> 00:41:59,786 LAND BOARD. 802 00:41:59,786 --> 00:42:02,222 THIS LAND BOARD, TRYING TO REACH THAT GOAL, ONE TIME 803 00:42:02,222 --> 00:42:07,060 INVESTED IN THE STOCK MARKET AND I BELIEVE LOST OVER $300 804 00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:07,694 MILLION. 805 00:42:07,694 --> 00:42:11,431 WELL, IT IS A RISKY INVESTMENT, AND SOMETIMES COMMERCIAL 806 00:42:11,431 --> 00:42:14,868 VENTURES ARE VERY RISKY INVESTMENTS, WHEREAS TIMBER IS 807 00:42:14,868 --> 00:42:18,705 A SUSTAINABLE, RENEWABLE RESOURCE THAT THE CONSTITUTION 808 00:42:18,705 --> 00:42:19,706 SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZED. 809 00:42:19,706 --> 00:42:22,542 MY INTERPRETATION OF THE CONSTITUTION, THAT PROVISION 810 00:42:22,542 --> 00:42:26,546 WOULD ALLOW THE LAND BOARD TO INVEST IN TIMBER PROPERTIES TO 811 00:42:26,546 --> 00:42:29,616 EXCHANGE OUT THE RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE AND COMMERCIAL 812 00:42:29,616 --> 00:42:32,986 PROPERTIES AND GRAZING LANDS AND RETAIN THE TIMBER 813 00:42:32,986 --> 00:42:36,089 PROPERTIES AND ACQUIRE MORE TIMBER PROPERTIES BY EXCHANGES 814 00:42:36,089 --> 00:42:39,392 AND THAT WOULD MAXIMIZE THE FINANCIAL RETURN AND FULFILL 815 00:42:39,392 --> 00:42:41,294 THE FIDUCIARY DUTIES. 816 00:42:41,294 --> 00:42:44,898 IT WOULD ALSO RETURN TAXABLE PROPERTIES TO THE TAX ROLLS IN 817 00:42:44,898 --> 00:42:48,535 THOSE COUNTIES WITH THE LAKEFRONT PROPERTIES, AND THAT 818 00:42:48,535 --> 00:42:52,739 WOULD BE A WIN, WIN, WIN, FOR THE COUNTIES, THE SCHOOLS, AND 819 00:42:52,739 --> 00:42:54,674 THE LAND BOARD. 820 00:42:54,674 --> 00:42:59,079 >> MR. WASDEN, YOU SUED THE LAND BOARD FOR YOUR FEELING 821 00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:02,148 THAT THEY WERE NOT MEETING THE CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. 822 00:43:02,148 --> 00:43:05,218 HOW CAN YOU BE A MEMBER OF THE LAND BOARD THAT YOU HAVE SUED 823 00:43:05,218 --> 00:43:07,153 AND IS THERE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE? 824 00:43:07,153 --> 00:43:11,991 >> THIS IS, IN FACT, NO THE -- NOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. 825 00:43:11,991 --> 00:43:15,528 THE REASON THERE IS NOT A CONFLICT, THE CONSTITUTION SAYS 826 00:43:15,528 --> 00:43:16,730 THERE IS NOT A CONFLICT. 827 00:43:16,730 --> 00:43:20,367 I AM A MEMBER OF THE LAND BOARD BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTION SAYS 828 00:43:20,367 --> 00:43:22,736 I'M A MEMBER OF THE LAND BOARD. 829 00:43:22,736 --> 00:43:25,905 I WEAR A UNIQUE HAT AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. 830 00:43:25,905 --> 00:43:29,175 BECAUSE THE ENDOWMENT IS A PUBLIC TRUST, ATTORNEY GENERAL 831 00:43:29,175 --> 00:43:32,012 VERY UNIQUELY IN THE STATE BY LAW IS TO ENFORCE THE 832 00:43:32,012 --> 00:43:35,081 REQUIREMENTS OF BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE TRUSTS. 833 00:43:35,081 --> 00:43:37,717 SO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS A NUMBER OF HATS TO WEAR. 834 00:43:37,717 --> 00:43:39,519 BUT IT IS NOT BY CHOICE. 835 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:44,024 IT'S BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAWS SAY. 836 00:43:44,024 --> 00:43:47,727 IF YOU ASK FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE, A LEGAL 837 00:43:47,727 --> 00:43:50,263 PERSPECTIVE, IS THERE A CONFLICT, THE ANSWER IS NO. 838 00:43:50,263 --> 00:43:53,767 THE LAW SAYS THERE IS NOT A CONFLI 839 00:43:53,767 --> 00:43:54,300 CONFLICT. 840 00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:57,003 IS IT DIFFICULT TO GO INTO A LAND BOARD MEETING WHEN YOU SEE 841 00:43:57,003 --> 00:43:59,706 THE OTHER PEOPLE ON THE LAND BOARD? 842 00:43:59,706 --> 00:44:02,142 THE ANSWER, YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY TOUGH. 843 00:44:02,142 --> 00:44:05,979 IN THAT INSTANCE, IDAHO SUPREME COURT, NOT ONLY WAS IT MY 844 00:44:05,979 --> 00:44:10,250 OBLIGATION TO DO SO, MY DUTY TO BRING THAT LAWSUIT TO REQUIRE 845 00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:14,721 THE LAND BOARD TO FULFILL THE FIDUCIARY DUTY TO THE SCHOOL 846 00:44:14,721 --> 00:44:15,321 CHILDREN. 847 00:44:15,321 --> 00:44:19,359 THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT FLOW INTO THE FIDUCIARY 848 00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:19,959 RESPONSIBILITY. 849 00:44:19,959 --> 00:44:21,861 YOU HAVE TO BE A PRUDENT INVESTOR. 850 00:44:21,861 --> 00:44:22,896 THAT IS BY STATUTE. 851 00:44:22,896 --> 00:44:25,865 THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT PRUDENT INVESTORS DO. 852 00:44:25,865 --> 00:44:29,235 YOU CAN'T PUT ALL OF YOUR EGGS IN THE TIMBER BASKET. 853 00:44:29,235 --> 00:44:32,539 IT IS TRUE THAT WE PRODUCED A MAJORITY OF OUR MONEY FROM A 854 00:44:32,539 --> 00:44:35,709 TIMBER BASKET, BUT WHAT HAPPENED IN 2008 WHEN HOME 855 00:44:35,709 --> 00:44:37,344 SALES WENT DOWN. 856 00:44:37,344 --> 00:44:39,179 AND OUR TIMBER SALES WENT DOWN. 857 00:44:39,179 --> 00:44:42,015 OUR REVENUES WENT INTO THE DUMPER, TOO. 858 00:44:42,015 --> 00:44:45,919 YOU CAN'T JUST PUT ALL OF YOUR EGGS IN THAT ONE BASKET. 859 00:44:45,919 --> 00:44:49,556 THE LAW SAYS YOU HAVE TO ACT AS A PRUDENT INVESTOR, WHICH 860 00:44:49,556 --> 00:44:51,291 INCLUDES DIVERSIFICATION. 861 00:44:51,291 --> 00:44:56,196 NOW, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT OUR TIMBER HOLDINGS, WE HAVE ABOUT 862 00:44:56,196 --> 00:45:01,501 800,000 ACRES ARE SO OF TIMBERLANDS, AND OUR CASH ON 863 00:45:01,501 --> 00:45:05,205 CASH RETURN IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS ON AVERAGE WAS 3%. 864 00:45:05,205 --> 00:45:10,977 NOW, CASH ON CASH RETURN ON GRAZING LAND, OF WHICH WE HAVE 865 00:45:10,977 --> 00:45:16,783 ABOUT 1.7, 1.8 ACRES, WAS 0.04%. 866 00:45:16,783 --> 00:45:21,254 NOW, YOU HAVE TO SAY WHERE CAN I INVEST MY MONEY THAT'S GOING 867 00:45:21,254 --> 00:45:22,689 TO MAKE A RETURN? 868 00:45:22,689 --> 00:45:26,860 AND TIMBERLANDS CERTAINLY BETTER THAN GRAZING LAND. 869 00:45:26,860 --> 00:45:30,864 ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT WILL MAKE MORE MONEY THAN 870 00:45:30,864 --> 00:45:31,531 TIMBERLAND? 871 00:45:31,531 --> 00:45:37,504 THE CONSTITUTION DOESN'T SAY TO GO OUT AND BUY COMMERCIAL 872 00:45:37,504 --> 00:45:38,071 PROPERTY. 873 00:45:38,071 --> 00:45:40,707 WHAT IT SAYS IS TAKE YOUR MONEY, INVEST IT IN A WAY THAT 874 00:45:40,707 --> 00:45:42,709 WILL MAKE THE MOST AMOUNT. 875 00:45:42,709 --> 00:45:46,813 BUY THOSE LANDS THAT ARE GOING TO RETURN THE GREATEST AMOUNT 876 00:45:46,813 --> 00:45:49,115 OF MONEY TO YOU. 877 00:45:49,115 --> 00:45:50,517 >> WRAP UP THE COMMENTS. 878 00:45:50,517 --> 00:45:51,084 >> SURE. 879 00:45:51,084 --> 00:45:52,118 THAT IS THE OBLIGATION. 880 00:45:52,118 --> 00:45:57,323 THAT IS THE FID DUUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY. 881 00:45:57,323 --> 00:45:59,859 GO OUT AND MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU CAN. 882 00:45:59,859 --> 00:46:02,929 IT IS NOT TO SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO COMPETE WITH THE 883 00:46:02,929 --> 00:46:05,331 PRIVATE SECTOR. 884 00:46:05,331 --> 00:46:08,668 BY DEFINITION, YOU HAVE TO COMPETE WITH THE PRIVATE 885 00:46:08,668 --> 00:46:14,607 SECTOR -- THAT IS THE -- >> WE WILL SKIP TO REBECCA 886 00:46:14,607 --> 00:46:15,141 BOONE. 887 00:46:15,141 --> 00:46:16,776 NEXT QUESTION TO MR. TROUPIS. 888 00:46:16,776 --> 00:46:20,980 >> IDAHO IS CURRENTLY A DEFENDANT IN A LAWSUIT OVER GAY 889 00:46:20,980 --> 00:46:24,484 MARRIAGE, BAN ON GAY MARRIAGE. 890 00:46:24,484 --> 00:46:27,320 THEY HAVE ORAL ARGUMENTS ON MONDAY IN THAT CASE. 891 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:34,894 AS MORE STATES DECLARE GAY MARRIAGE BANS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, 892 00:46:34,894 --> 00:46:38,331 IS THERE A POINT AT WHICH YOU CAN NO LONGER DEFEND A STATE 893 00:46:38,331 --> 00:46:38,798 LAW? 894 00:46:38,798 --> 00:46:41,334 >> IN THIS CASE I AM GOING TO AGREE WITH MY OPPONENT. 895 00:46:41,334 --> 00:46:44,971 IN FACT, HE IS DOING WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS REQUIRED TO 896 00:46:44,971 --> 00:46:45,372 DO. 897 00:46:45,372 --> 00:46:48,008 BE INVOLVED IN THAT CASE AS A DEFENDANT TO DEFEND THE 898 00:46:48,008 --> 00:46:49,642 CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF IDAHO. 899 00:46:49,642 --> 00:46:52,879 THAT IS WHAT THE VOTERS APPROVED, AND HE -- I WOULD BE 900 00:46:52,879 --> 00:46:54,981 OBLIGATED TO DEFEND IT AS WELL. 901 00:46:54,981 --> 00:46:59,019 AND I WOULD DO THAT UNTIL THERE IS A DEFINITIVE DECISION THAT 902 00:46:59,019 --> 00:47:02,188 THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION WAS NOT VALID. 903 00:47:02,188 --> 00:47:04,457 BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS COMING. 904 00:47:04,457 --> 00:47:07,961 I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT THE CASES HAVE DEVELOPED, THEY HAVE 905 00:47:07,961 --> 00:47:10,830 BEEN BROUGHT AS DISCRIMINATION CASES RATHER THAN ON THE 906 00:47:10,830 --> 00:47:12,032 DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE. 907 00:47:12,032 --> 00:47:15,402 AND THAT HAS BEEN MERGED TOGETHER, I THINK, IMPROPERLY. 908 00:47:15,402 --> 00:47:20,340 THE SUPREME COURT, RECENT DECISION, SAID THAT THE DEF 909 00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:23,610 DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE IS A MATTER FOR STATES, NOT THE 910 00:47:23,610 --> 00:47:24,611 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 911 00:47:24,611 --> 00:47:27,947 IF THE CASE IS DECIDED STRICTLY ON THE DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE, 912 00:47:27,947 --> 00:47:31,618 I THINK IDAHO'S CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, THAT MARRIAGE IS 913 00:47:31,618 --> 00:47:33,987 BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN, WOULD BE UPHELD. 914 00:47:33,987 --> 00:47:38,158 IF THE CASE IS MERGED INTO A DISCRIMINATION CASE, THEN THOSE 915 00:47:38,158 --> 00:47:41,628 FACTS GET MUDDLED AND WHO KNOWS WHAT THE SUPREME COURT WOULD 916 00:47:41,628 --> 00:47:41,995 DECIDE. 917 00:47:41,995 --> 00:47:45,065 I THINK THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO DEFEND THAT CASE IS TO SEPARATE 918 00:47:45,065 --> 00:47:48,702 OUT THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE ISSUE 919 00:47:48,702 --> 00:47:50,236 FROM THE DISCRIMINATION ISSUE. 920 00:47:50,236 --> 00:47:53,640 BUT AS I THINK I'VE ALREADY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, BUT I 921 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:58,111 WOULD DEFEND THIS TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW UNTIL THERE 922 00:47:58,111 --> 00:48:02,682 IS A DEFINITIVE DECISION SAYING I NO LONGER HAD LEGAL GROUNDS 923 00:48:02,682 --> 00:48:03,583 TO DO SO. 924 00:48:03,583 --> 00:48:08,488 >> AT WHAT POINT DO IN ANY CASE GAY MARRIAGE OR OTHERWISE, IS 925 00:48:08,488 --> 00:48:11,391 THERE ANOTHER OF A SNOWBALL OF CASE LAW WHERE YOU THROW UP 926 00:48:11,391 --> 00:48:13,193 YOUR HANDS OR DO YOU KEEP DEFENDING IT? 927 00:48:13,193 --> 00:48:16,396 >> THE ENTITY THAT WILL ULTIMATELY MAKE THE DECISION 928 00:48:16,396 --> 00:48:19,599 ABOUT WHETHER IDAHO'S CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION 929 00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:23,236 DEFINING MARRIAGE, THE ENTITY THAT WILL MAKE THE DECISION IS 930 00:48:23,236 --> 00:48:26,306 THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. 931 00:48:26,306 --> 00:48:31,311 IN THE DOMA CASE, THE COURT DID SAY THE DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE 932 00:48:31,311 --> 00:48:34,047 IS IN THE PROVINCE OF THE STATES. 933 00:48:34,047 --> 00:48:37,417 OUR STATE COLLECTIVELY AMENDED THEIR CONSTITUTION AND GAVE A 934 00:48:37,417 --> 00:48:38,952 DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE. 935 00:48:38,952 --> 00:48:41,521 A NUMBER OF MY COLLEAGUES AROUND THE COUNTRY HAVE SAID 936 00:48:41,521 --> 00:48:43,790 WE'RE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY. 937 00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:45,525 I'M JUST NOT GOING TO DEFEND IT. 938 00:48:45,525 --> 00:48:48,328 LET ME TELL YOU I DISAGREE WITH THEM. 939 00:48:48,328 --> 00:48:51,498 I WAS PRESENT WHEN ERIC HOLDER CAME AND SPOKE TO THE ATTORNEYS 940 00:48:51,498 --> 00:48:55,001 GENERAL AND SAID IF YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR STATE CONSTITUTION, 941 00:48:55,001 --> 00:48:55,869 JUST IGNORE IT. 942 00:48:55,869 --> 00:48:56,703 I REJECT THAT. 943 00:48:56,703 --> 00:48:59,039 I REJECT THAT ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND THE LEFT SIDE. 944 00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:03,943 WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION UNDER THE RULE OF LAW TO FULFILL AND 945 00:49:03,943 --> 00:49:06,546 DEFEND THAT CONSTITUTION. 946 00:49:06,546 --> 00:49:09,015 THAT IS WHY I MOVED TO INTERVENE IN THAT CASE AND WE 947 00:49:09,015 --> 00:49:12,118 WILL PURSUE THAT CASE LEGITIMATELY BECAUSE THE PEOPLE 948 00:49:12,118 --> 00:49:14,854 OF THE STATE HAVE SAID THAT'S OUR POLICY, IT'S IN OUR 949 00:49:14,854 --> 00:49:17,490 CONSTITUTION, AND UNTIL THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT 950 00:49:17,490 --> 00:49:19,826 SAYS EITHER THAT'S VALID OR INVALID. 951 00:49:19,826 --> 00:49:20,326 >> OKAY. 952 00:49:20,326 --> 00:49:21,594 JUST ABOUT OUT OF TIME. 953 00:49:21,594 --> 00:49:24,664 ABOUT A MINUTE FOR AN ANSWER FROM EACH BUT WE'RE GOING TO 954 00:49:24,664 --> 00:49:28,702 MOVE TO OUR NEXT PANELIST, JIM WEATHERBY FOR OUR LAST QUESTION 955 00:49:28,702 --> 00:49:30,837 BEFORE THE CLOSING STATEMENTS. 956 00:49:30,837 --> 00:49:33,039 >> AND THIS IS FOR MR. TROUPIS -- 957 00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:35,508 >> FOR MR. WASDEN. 958 00:49:35,508 --> 00:49:37,043 >> VERY QUICKLY. 959 00:49:37,043 --> 00:49:42,215 YOU HAVE HAD SOME CONFLICT WITH THE LEGISLATURE OVER SOME OF 960 00:49:42,215 --> 00:49:44,517 YOUR OFFICE'S LEGAL OPINION. 961 00:49:44,517 --> 00:49:47,987 DO YOU THINK IT IS WISE FOR THE LEGISLATURE TO PROCEED ON 962 00:49:47,987 --> 00:49:52,058 SETTING UP A SEPARATE LEGAL COUNSEL? 963 00:49:52,058 --> 00:49:55,795 >> THE LEGISLATURE HAS ALWAYS HAD THE POWER, ABILITY TO 964 00:49:55,795 --> 00:49:58,531 CHOOSE THEIR OWN COUNSEL. 965 00:49:58,531 --> 00:50:02,068 I AM A CAPTIVE LAWYER OF THE LEGISLATURE, MEANING THAT THEY 966 00:50:02,068 --> 00:50:03,003 ARE NOT A CAPTIVE CLIENT. 967 00:50:03,003 --> 00:50:06,606 WHAT THE LAW SAYS IF THEY ASK ME A QUESTION, I'M REQUIRED TO 968 00:50:06,606 --> 00:50:07,707 GIVE THEM AN ANSWER. 969 00:50:07,707 --> 00:50:10,543 THE IMPORTANT THING THAT YOU HAVE TO DO AS THE ATTORNEY 970 00:50:10,543 --> 00:50:12,445 GENERAL IS YOU WEAR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT HATS. 971 00:50:12,445 --> 00:50:15,448 ONE OF THOSE HATS IS AS THE ADVISOR. 972 00:50:15,448 --> 00:50:19,552 WHEN A QUESTION IS ASKED, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE ANSWER AS TO 973 00:50:19,552 --> 00:50:24,391 WHAT THE LAW IS, NOT WHETHER IT IS GOOD OR BAD POLICY. 974 00:50:24,391 --> 00:50:28,261 BUT WHAT THE LAW IS THAT ALLOWS THEM TO MAKE THE PROPER 975 00:50:28,261 --> 00:50:30,530 LEGISLATIVE DECISION. 976 00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:33,033 ONCE THEY HAVE CHOSEN THE POLICY, SET THAT IN LAW, THEN 977 00:50:33,033 --> 00:50:37,470 MY OBLIGATION IS TO DEFEND THAT LAW, WHETHER I AGREE OR 978 00:50:37,470 --> 00:50:40,373 DISAGREE, WHETHER I THINK IT IS GOOD OR BAD IS IRRELEVANT. 979 00:50:40,373 --> 00:50:43,376 WHAT IS RELEVANT THAT I PROPERLY ADVICE THEM, THEY MAKE 980 00:50:43,376 --> 00:50:45,045 THEIR CHOICE AND THEN I DEFEND THAT. 981 00:50:45,045 --> 00:50:48,314 THAT IS THE PROCESS YOU HAVE AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. 982 00:50:48,314 --> 00:50:53,119 >> LET'S GIVE -- >> I HAVE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH 983 00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:56,589 OPINIONS WRITTEN BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OFFICE TO THE 984 00:50:56,589 --> 00:50:57,257 LEGISLATURE. 985 00:50:57,257 --> 00:51:02,862 SENATE BILL 1277, AUTHORIZE EXCHANGE OF PROPERTY ON THE 986 00:51:02,862 --> 00:51:03,596 LAND BOARD. 987 00:51:03,596 --> 00:51:06,800 FIRST OPINION SAID THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION WAS 988 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:07,634 UNCONSTITUTIONAL. 989 00:51:07,634 --> 00:51:10,537 I WAS ASKED BY THE CHAIRMAN OF THE RESOURCE COMMITTEE TO DRAFT 990 00:51:10,537 --> 00:51:11,738 MY OWN OPINION, WHICH I DID. 991 00:51:11,738 --> 00:51:13,873 I THOUGHT IT WAS CONSTITUTIONAL. 992 00:51:13,873 --> 00:51:16,242 AND THEN I SAW A SECOND ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION THAT 993 00:51:16,242 --> 00:51:18,978 SAID WELL, YES, IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL AND THE BILL 994 00:51:18,978 --> 00:51:20,647 PASSED AND THE BILL IS NOW BECOMING LAW. 995 00:51:20,647 --> 00:51:24,517 AND I HAVE SEEN THAT IN OTHER CASES AS WELL WHERE 996 00:51:24,517 --> 00:51:26,453 INCONSISTENT ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS HAVE BEEN GIVEN. 997 00:51:26,453 --> 00:51:31,024 I THINK THAT IS THE REASON THE LEGISLATURE CREATED A LEGAL 998 00:51:31,024 --> 00:51:35,028 DEFENSE FUND TO HIRE THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT COUNSEL TO GET 999 00:51:35,028 --> 00:51:37,464 OPINIONS THEY RELY ON -- >> WRAP UP. 1000 00:51:37,464 --> 00:51:38,732 WE ARE JUST OUT OF TIME. 1001 00:51:38,732 --> 00:51:42,936 >> WE WANT TO GIVE THE CANDIDATES, TWO MINUTES TO MAKE 1002 00:51:42,936 --> 00:51:45,772 THEIR CLOSING STATEMENTS. 1003 00:51:45,772 --> 00:51:47,407 TWO MINUTES EACH. 1004 00:51:47,407 --> 00:51:52,746 AND THE FIRST RESPONSE COMES TO MR. TROUPIS. 1005 00:51:52,746 --> 00:51:57,884 >> I WANT TO THANK THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS, IDAHO PUBLIC 1006 00:51:57,884 --> 00:52:01,688 TELEVISION, OUR PANELISTS, AND ATTORNEY GENERAL WASDEN FOR 1007 00:52:01,688 --> 00:52:03,890 BEING HERE TODAY FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. 1008 00:52:03,890 --> 00:52:05,892 I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE THIS DEBATE. 1009 00:52:05,892 --> 00:52:10,697 WE KNOW THAT AMERICA HAS VEERED DANGEROUSLY OFF COURSE. 1010 00:52:10,697 --> 00:52:14,734 WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR WAY, CHANGE OUR APPROACH -- THE 1011 00:52:14,734 --> 00:52:19,439 CRISIS IS NO DIFFERENT HERE IN IDAHO THAN ELSEWHERE. 1012 00:52:19,439 --> 00:52:22,175 WE ARE DEFENDING THE LAST BEST PLACE ON PLANET EARTH. 1013 00:52:22,175 --> 00:52:24,110 THE BATTLE LINES HAVE BEEN DRAWN. 1014 00:52:24,110 --> 00:52:26,913 WE CANNOT BECOME THE NEXT SUB DIVISION OF WASHINGTON, D.C., 1015 00:52:26,913 --> 00:52:28,815 IT IS TIME FOR A CHANGE. 1016 00:52:28,815 --> 00:52:33,453 WE MUST STAND FIRM FOR OUR CHILDREN, THEIR FREEDOM AND 1017 00:52:33,453 --> 00:52:36,923 THEIR GRANDCHILDREN'S FREEDOM AND OUR ECONOMIC INDEPENDENCE 1018 00:52:36,923 --> 00:52:37,657 FROM WASHINGTON. 1019 00:52:37,657 --> 00:52:40,760 TONIGHT WE TALKED ABOUT OBAMA CARE, OUR PROPERTY RIGHTS, 1020 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,397 IDAHO LANDS, OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS, AND 1021 00:52:44,397 --> 00:52:46,199 RECLAIMING OUR PUBLIC LANDS. 1022 00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:49,469 IN EVERY CASE, THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS TAKEN THE WRONG 1023 00:52:49,469 --> 00:52:50,103 COURSE. 1024 00:52:50,103 --> 00:52:51,938 HE HAS LOST HIS WAY. 1025 00:52:51,938 --> 00:52:55,141 HE HAS CHOSEN TIME AND AGAIN TO SIDE WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND 1026 00:52:55,141 --> 00:52:57,510 AGAINST THE PEOPLE. 1027 00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:59,045 WE MUST REFOCUS. 1028 00:52:59,045 --> 00:53:01,948 I WILL ALWAYS BE AN ADVOCATE FOR YOU. 1029 00:53:01,948 --> 00:53:02,882 FOR THE PEOPLE. 1030 00:53:02,882 --> 00:53:07,053 IT IS TIME FOR A CHANGE. 1031 00:53:07,053 --> 00:53:11,358 I WANT TO THANK ALL OF MY MANY SUPPORTERS THROUGHOUT THE STATE 1032 00:53:11,358 --> 00:53:15,095 FOR YOUR HARD WORK, FOR YOUR COMMITMENT IN THIS CAMPAIGN AND 1033 00:53:15,095 --> 00:53:16,329 ESPECIALLY FOR YOUR PRAYERS. 1034 00:53:16,329 --> 00:53:19,899 AND I WANT TO THANK MY WONDERFUL WIFE FOR STANDING BY 1035 00:53:19,899 --> 00:53:21,701 ME THROUGH THIS CHALLENGING TIME. 1036 00:53:21,701 --> 00:53:27,273 I'M ASKING YOU, ALL OF YOU NOW, TO STAND WITH US AS WELL 1037 00:53:27,273 --> 00:53:30,810 TOGETHER LET'S MAKE IDAHO A BEACON OF LIGHT AND HOPE FOR 1038 00:53:30,810 --> 00:53:33,613 THE REST OF AMERICA. 1039 00:53:33,613 --> 00:53:35,081 TRUE CHANGE SHOULD START HERE. 1040 00:53:35,081 --> 00:53:35,915 THANK YOU. 1041 00:53:35,915 --> 00:53:37,017 AND GOD BLESS. 1042 00:53:37,017 --> 00:53:38,351 >> TWO MINUTES, MR. WASDEN. 1043 00:53:38,351 --> 00:53:39,185 >> THANK YOU. 1044 00:53:39,185 --> 00:53:43,089 IT IS IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN RHETORIC AND REALITY. 1045 00:53:43,089 --> 00:53:46,259 YOU NEED TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO WILL TELL YOU WHAT 1046 00:53:46,259 --> 00:53:49,295 YOU NEED TO KNOW, RATHER THAN WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR. 1047 00:53:49,295 --> 00:53:52,665 THE ONE THAT WILL TELL YOU THE WHOLE STORY, NOT JUST THE PART 1048 00:53:52,665 --> 00:53:57,604 THAT CAN BE MANIPULATED TO ONE'S POLITICAL ADVANTAGE. 1049 00:53:57,604 --> 00:54:00,707 FOR EXAMPLE, ARTICLE 21, SECTION 19, SAYS THAT THE 1050 00:54:00,707 --> 00:54:04,310 PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF IDAHO FOREVER DISCLAIMED THE 1051 00:54:04,310 --> 00:54:07,347 UNAPPROPRIATED LANDS THAT LIE WITHIN THE BORDERS OF OUR 1052 00:54:07,347 --> 00:54:07,881 STATE. 1053 00:54:07,881 --> 00:54:11,217 THAT MEANS THAT WE CANNOT SIMPLY ARGUE AWAY, EXPLAIN AWAY 1054 00:54:11,217 --> 00:54:15,155 THE LANGUAGE OF OUR OWN CONSTITUTION THAT SAYS THOSE 1055 00:54:15,155 --> 00:54:18,625 LANDS WITHIN OUR STATE, OWNED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WE 1056 00:54:18,625 --> 00:54:20,427 FOREVER DISCLAIMED THEM. 1057 00:54:20,427 --> 00:54:26,900 IN 1947, OUR OWN LEGISLATURE -- FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WE WANT YOU 1058 00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:27,801 TO OWN THOSE LANDS. 1059 00:54:27,801 --> 00:54:29,803 DO NOT GIVE THEM TO US. 1060 00:54:29,803 --> 00:54:31,538 WE NEVER OWNED THOSE LANDS. 1061 00:54:31,538 --> 00:54:36,976 WE WERE SIGNED INTO A TERRITORY BY ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN MARCH OF 1062 00:54:36,976 --> 00:54:40,013 1863, TERRITORY OF THE UNITED STATES. 1063 00:54:40,013 --> 00:54:41,748 THOSE WERE LANDS WE NEVER OWNED. 1064 00:54:41,748 --> 00:54:45,885 THEY WERE LANDS THAT WE DISCLAIMED, AND WE LANDS THAT 1065 00:54:45,885 --> 00:54:51,524 WE SAID FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, YOU KEEP THEM IN YOUR POSSESSION. 1066 00:54:51,524 --> 00:54:54,461 IF WE ARE GOING TO MANAGE THOSE LANDS OR GET THOSE LANDS BACK, 1067 00:54:54,461 --> 00:54:56,129 WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH CONGRESS. 1068 00:54:56,129 --> 00:54:59,065 WE CAN'T OVERCOME THE LANGUAGE OF OUR OWN CONSTITUTION. 1069 00:54:59,065 --> 00:55:01,968 THAT'S WHY IT IS IMPORTANT NOT JUST TO HAVE RHETORIC, BUT 1070 00:55:01,968 --> 00:55:02,569 REALITY. 1071 00:55:02,569 --> 00:55:06,139 WITH REGARD TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT, I FIRMLY HAVE 1072 00:55:06,139 --> 00:55:08,508 SUPPORTED THE SECOND AMENDMENT. 1073 00:55:08,508 --> 00:55:12,779 IT IS TRUE MY OPPONENT CALLED ATTENTION TO ERROR MADE IN THE 1074 00:55:12,779 --> 00:55:14,047 OFFICE EIGHT YEARS AGO. 1075 00:55:14,047 --> 00:55:15,982 HE ONLY TELLS PART OF THE STORY. 1076 00:55:15,982 --> 00:55:19,152 THE REST OF THE STORY -- I FOUND OUT THE NEXT DAY WITHIN 1077 00:55:19,152 --> 00:55:22,689 48 HOURS WE WERE OFF OF THAT BRIEF IN THE PATTERSON CASE. 1078 00:55:22,689 --> 00:55:27,727 WE SIGNED ON TO THE HELLER CASE, THE McDONALD VERSUS CITY 1079 00:55:27,727 --> 00:55:34,167 OF CHICAGO CASE, NRA VERSUS THE ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS 1080 00:55:34,167 --> 00:55:34,634 CASE. 1081 00:55:34,634 --> 00:55:38,905 I WAS ENDORSED BY THE NRA, MY OPPONENT WAS NOT. 1082 00:55:38,905 --> 00:55:41,975 IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO WILL TELL 1083 00:55:41,975 --> 00:55:44,911 US THE WHOLE STORY, ALL OF THE FACTORS, ALL OF THE MATTERS SO 1084 00:55:44,911 --> 00:55:48,281 THAT YOU CAN MAKE AN INTELLIGENT AND RATIONALE 1085 00:55:48,281 --> 00:55:48,648 CHOICE. 1086 00:55:48,648 --> 00:55:50,750 NOT JUST THE THINGS WE WANT TO HEAR. 1087 00:55:50,750 --> 00:55:53,186 WE NEED TO HEAR REALITY, NOT JUST RHETORIC. 1088 00:55:53,186 --> 00:55:56,923 I AM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, MY NAME IS LAWRENCE WASDEN. 1089 00:55:56,923 --> 00:56:00,026 I APPRECIATE HAVING BEEN ABLE TO SERVE FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS 1090 00:56:00,026 --> 00:56:02,395 AND I ASK FOR YOUR VOTE ON MAY 20th. 1091 00:56:02,395 --> 00:56:02,829 THANK YOU. 1092 00:56:02,829 --> 00:56:05,932 >> I WANT TO THANK BOTH OF THESE GENTLEMEN FOR THEIR TIME 1093 00:56:05,932 --> 00:56:06,399 TONIGHT. 1094 00:56:06,399 --> 00:56:09,302 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET OUT AND MAKE YOUR VOTE ON 1095 00:56:09,302 --> 00:56:09,969 MAY 20th. 1096 00:56:09,969 --> 00:56:12,339 THAT WILL DO IT FOR US ON IDAHO DEBATES. 1097 00:56:12,339 --> 00:56:21,147 WE WILL SEE YOU TOMORROW NIGHT. 1098 00:56:24,984 --> 00:56:25,885 Captioning Performed by LNS Captioning www.lnscaptioning.com 1099 00:56:29,322 --> 00:56:32,892 >> THE IDAHO DEBATES MADE POSSIBLE BY BOISE STATE 1100 00:56:32,892 --> 00:56:35,729 UNIVERSITY, COMMITTED TO PUBLIC SERVICE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND 1101 00:56:35,729 --> 00:56:43,069 THE STATE OF IDAHO FOR MORE THAN 80 YEARS, OFFERING 1102 00:56:43,069 --> 00:56:46,906 UNDERGRADUATE AND GRADUATE DEGREES, COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL 1103 00:56:46,906 --> 00:56:49,909 PLANNING, ECONOMICS, AND MORE. 1104 00:56:49,909 --> 00:56:53,446 IDAHO DEBATES ARE ALSO BROUGHT TO YOU BY YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO 1105 00:56:53,446 --> 00:56:55,749 THE IDAHO 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