>> WELCOME TO THE IDAHO
DEBATES.

TONIGHT, THE REPUBLICAN
PRIMARY CANDIDATES FOR

SECRETARY OF STATE.
THE IDAHO DEBATES IS ORGANIZED

BY THESE PARTNERS.
FUNDING PROVIDED BY THE

FRIENDS OF IDAHO PUBLIC
TELEVISION.

THE IDAHO PUBLIC TELEVISION
ENDOWMENT, AND THE CORPORATION

FOR PUBLIC BROADCASTING.
>> Melissa Davlin: WELCOME TO

THE IDAHO DEBATES AT THE IDAHO
PUBLIC TELEVISION STUDIOS.

THIS IS THE THIRD AND FINAL
DEBATE WE'RE HOSTING BEFORE

THE MAY 17th PRIMARY
ELECTION.

TONIGHT THE THREE REPUBLICAN
CANDIDATES FOR SECRETARY OF

STATE TAKE THE STAGE TO ASK
FOR YOUR VOTE.

THE SECRETARY OF STATE
OVERSEES ELECTION

ADMINISTRATION, AS WELL AS
CAMPAIGN FINANCE, VOTER

REGISTRATION, LOBBYIST RENTAL
SERVICES.ATION AND BUSINESS-

THEY ALSO SIT ON THE STATE
LAND BOARD.

THE WINNER OF THE REPUBLICAN
PRIMARY WILL FACE DEMOCRATIC

CANDIDATE SEAN KEENAN IN THE
NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTION.

I WANT TO WELCOME THE
CANDIDATES.

PHIL McGRANE, MARY SOUZA,
AND DOROTHY MOON.

ADA COUNTY CLERK PHIL
McGRANE TOOK OFFICE IN 2019,

PRIOR TO BEING ELECTED HE
WORKED AS AN ELECTION

SPECIALIST AND DEPUTY CLERK.
SENATOR MARY SOUZA HAS SERVED

FOUR TERMS IN THE IDAHO
SENATE, SHE CO-OWNS A BUSINESS

AND IS A RETIRED NURSE.
REPRESENTATIVE DOROTHY MOON

HAS SERVED THREE TERMS IN THE
IDAHO HOUSE OF

REPRESENTATIVES.
SHE IS A FORMER SPECIAL

EDUCATION TEACHER, INSTRUCTOR,
AND BUSINESS OWNER.

I ALSO WANT TO THANK OUR PANEL
OF REPORTERS WHO WILL BE

ASKING THE CANDIDATES
QUESTIONS TONIGHT.

BETSY RUSSELL OF THE IDAHO
PRESS, KELCIE MOSELEY-MORRIS

OF THE IDAHO CAPITAL SUN AND
RYAN SUPPE OF THE "IDAHO

STATESMAN."
I'M MELISSA DAVLIN HOST OF

IDAHO REPORT ON IDAHO PUBLIC
TELEVISION.

I'M MODERATING TONIGHT.
TO REMIND THE CANDIDATES HOW

LONG THEY'VE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT IS ANNE KARLTON.

EACH CANDIDATE WILL BE GIVEN
90 SECONDS FOR OPENING

COMMENTS AND 60 SECONDS FOR
CLOSE.

PHIL McGRANE HAS THE HONOR
TO GO FIRST.

>> Phil McGrane: THANK YOU
IDAHO PUBLIC TELEVISION AND

ALL THE OTHER SPONSORS AND
PEOPLE WHO PUT ALL THE WORK TO

MAKE THIS HAPPEN TODAY.
I'M PHIL McGRANE, AND I'M

RUNNING TO BE YOUR NEXT
REPUBLICAN SECRETARY OF STATE.

THERE'S A REASON WE'RE HAVING
NOT JUST THE ONE TONIGHT, BUT

ALL OF THESE DEBATES.
AND IT'S BECAUSE ELECTIONS

MATTER.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO OUR

ELECTIONS, EXPERIENCE COUNTS.
I'VE HAD THE GREAT FORTUNE OF

SPENDING MY ENTIRE CAREER
ENSURING THAT IDAHO HAS FREE,

FAIR, AND SECURE ELECTIONS.
RIGHT OUT OF COLLEGE, ALMOST

17 YEARS AGO, I FELL INTO A
JOB RECRUITING POLL WORKERS,

TRAINING THEM, POLLING
LOCATIONS, AND COUNTING

BALLOTS WHEN WE STILL VOTED ON
THE PUNCH CARD.

I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
WORK MY WAY UP.

AND SERVE IN ALL SORTS OF
ROLES RELATED TO OUR ELECTIONS

AND HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN
EVERY ASPECT, AS AN

ADMINISTRATOR AND AS A
CANDIDATE.

I'VE HAD THE GREAT PRIVILEGE
OF WORKING WITH SECRETARY

DENNY, AND SECRETARY U ASSIST
SURSA AND I'VE COUNTE ALMOST

2.5 MILLION BALLOTS IN MY
CAREER.

ONE OF THE BIG THINGS I WANT
TO SAY IS IDAHO SHOULD BE

PROUD OF OUR ELECTIONS.
I KNOW I AM.

ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I'M
RUNNING HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE

I'M PROUD TO BE AN IDAHOAN.
I'M A FOURTH-GENERATION

IDAHOAN, AND I HAVE A COUPLE
OF KIDS WITH MY WIFE ANGELA,

WHO ARE 5th-GENERATION
IDAHOANS AND I WANT THEM TO BE

AS JUST AS BLESSED AS I HAVE
BEEN.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE
CONVERSATION TONIGHT.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE
QUESTIONS, AND I HOPE YOU WILL

SEE EXPERIENCE COUNTS IN THIS
RACE.

>> Melissa Davlin: THANK YOU.
SENATOR SOUZA.

>> Mary Souza: I'M SENATOR
MARY SOUZA AND I'M FINISHING

MY EIGHTH YEAR IN THE SENATE.
I'M RUNNING FOR IDAHO

SECRETARY OF STATE TO PROTECT
OUR ELECTIONS, TO PROTECT OUR

BUSINESSES, AND TO PROTECT OUR
ENDOWMENT LANDS.

THOSE ARE THE THREE MAIN
RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE

SECRETARY OF STATE.
DURING THE 2020 ELECTIONS,

FACEBOOK MONEY CAME TO OUR
IDAHO ELECTIONS.

MY OPPONENT, PHIL McGRANE,
THE FIRST PERSON AND ONLY

PERSON TO BE DIRECTLY
CONTACTED BY THE FACEBOOK

FUNDING GROUP.
HE ACCEPTED $500,000 OF THEIR

MONEY AND RECOMMENDED TO ALL
THE OTHER COUNTY CLERKS THAT

THEY APPLY FOR THE MONEY AS
WELL.

AND AT NO TIME DID ANY OF THEM
EVER CONSULT WITH THE

SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE.
THIS MONEY WAS NOT FOR A

CANDIDATE OR A BALLOT MEASURE.
IT WAS TO ACTUALLY RUN OUR

ELECTIONS.
I WAS THE FIRST IDAHO LAWMAKER

TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MONEY
AND I QUICKLY DRAFTED AND GOT

THROUGH THE SYSTEM A BILL
SIGNED INTO LAW BY THE

GOVERNOR, THE BILL WILL STOP,
HAS STOPPED ANY FURTHER

FACEBOOK MONEY OR ANY PRIVATE
DARK MONEY FROM COMING IN TO

IDAHO TO RUN OUR ELECTIONS
EVER AGAIN.

I'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON ELECTIONS
SINCE 2009, AND DURING MY TIME

IN THE SENATE, I HAVE
SPONSORED 15 BILLS ON ELECTION

INTEGRITY AND TRANSPARENCY.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY

TO TALK WITH YOU TONIGHT, AND
MY THANKS TO THE IDAHO PUBLIC

BROADCASTING SYSTEM, AND OUR
MODERATORS.

THANK YOU.
>> Melissa Davlin: THANK YOU.

REPRESENTATIVE MOON.
>> Dorothy Moon: THANK YOU,

MELISSA.
I'M DOROTHY MOON, AND I LIVE

IN CUSTER COUNTY OFF GRID WITH
MY HUSBAND.

AND I'VE BEEN UP THERE WITH MY E
PAST 18 YEARS.

IN CENTRAL IDAHO.
I TAUGHT AT CHALICE HIGH

SCHOOL, I WAS A SCIENCE
TEACHER AS WELL AS A SPECIAL

ED DIRECTOR.
AND I LEFT IN 2012 AND MOVED

ON TO OTHER VENTURES.
I'VE ALSO BEEN THE PRESIDENT

OF MOON AND ASSOCIATES, A
CIVIL ENGINEERING AND LAND

SURVEYING COMPANY, AND IN OUR
FREE TIME WE'RE GOLD MINERS

AND WE ALSO CUT LOGS AND BUILD
LITTLE BABY LOG HOMES.

SO I'VE BEEN REPRESENTING
LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT EIGHT FOR

THE PAST SIX YEARS, WHICH
COVERS 16,000 SQUARE MILES,

THE LARGEST DISTRICT IN THIS
STATE.

I'M VERY PROUD TO REPRESENT
RURAL IDAHO, AND THE 97% I'VE

EARNED FOR MY CONSERVATIVE
VOTES IN THE AMERICAN

CONSERVATIVE UNION, I'M VERY
PROUD OF.

I WANT TO BE YOUR NEXT
SECRETARY OF STATE BECAUSE

ELECTION INTEGRITY ISSUES ARE
A CONCERN OF IDAHOANS.

AS YOUR CHIEF ELECTION
OFFICER, MAINTAINING

UNIFORMITY AND CONSISTENCY IN
OUR ELECTIONS IS SOMETHING I

PROMISE YOU WE WILL HAVE.
I ALSO AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH

RESOURCES.
I HAVE BEEN UP IN THE WOODS

FOR A LONG TIME, AND BEING
AMONG THE RESOURCES I'VE BEEN

SURROUNDED BY FIRE AND OTHER
THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED AS

FAR AS FLOODING AND SO FORTH.
AS FAR AS THE THINGS I'VE BEEN

INVOLVED WITH, FUELS
REDUCTIONS IN OUR FORESTS,

MINE PERMITTING AND IMRAIZING
ALLOTMENTS.

WITH MY MASTER'S DEGREE IN
RESOURCE PLANNING, WE GET

HIGHEST ECONOMIC RETURNS ON
OUR ENDOWMENT LANDS IS

SOMETHING I CAN ACHIEVE.
MY NAME IS DOROTHY MOON,

RUNNING FOR SECRETARY OF
STATE.

>> Melissa Davlin: THE FIRST
QUESTION FROM BETSY RUSSELL.

>> Betsy Russell: CLERK
MCGRANE, WERE THERE HAVE BEEN

ISSUES IN ADA COUNTY
ELECTIONS, HOW HAVE YOU

HANDLED THEM AND WHAT LESSONS
HAVE LEARNED FROM RUNNING

ELECTIONS IN THE STATE'S
LARGEST COUNTY THAT YOU'D LIKE

TO BRING TO ELECTIONS
STATEWIDE?

>> Phil McGrane: THANK YOU FOR
THE QUESTION, BETSY.

I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT HIGHLIGHTS MY EXPERIENCE,

HAVING BEEN INVOLVED IN EVERY
ASPECT OF OUR ELECTIONS, I

THINK ONE OF THE IMPORTANT
THINGS I BRING TO THE

SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE,
I'M NOT JUST LOOKING AT IT

FROM A BROAD LEVEL, BUT I'VE
BEEN ON THE GROUND, WORKING IN

POLLING PLACES, DEALING WITH
POLL WORKERS, PRINTING BALLOTS

AND ALL OF THE LOGISTICS THAT
GO INTO OUR ELECTIONS.

MANY PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE JUST
HOW BIG OF A SCALE THEY ARE.

OFTEN ELECTIONS ARE THE
LARGEST EVENT PLANNING

OPERATION IN ANY COMMUNITY IN
OUR STATE.

AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE
EXPERIENCES BOTH WHEN IT'S

GONE REALLY WELL AND THE
CHALLENGES THAT COME ALONG

WITH OUR ELECTIONS.
SO I'VE LEARNED FROM THAT.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS
WE NEED IN TERMS OF A

SECRETARY OF STATE IS THAT
EXPERIENCE.

SO THE COUNTY CLERK OR ANYONE
ELSE CALLS, THAT THEY HAVE THE

ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS.
BOTH IN TERMS OF HOW OUR LAWS

WORK, BUT ALSO HOW THINGS WORK
PRACTICALLY ON THE GROUND.

I THINK MOST IDAHOANS CAN
RELATE TO THAT IN THEIR JOBS.

NEEDING SOMEONE YOU CAN TURN
TO WHO HAS THE EXPERIENCE,

THOSE THE NUANCES OF WHAT
YOU'RE DOING ON THE GROUND,

AND HOW THAT WILL IMPACT
THINGS.

I FACE CHALLENGES WHETHER
THAT'S BEEN PRINTING BALLOTS

OR OTHER THINGS, AND HAVE BEEN
QUICK TO JUMP ON AND REACT TO

THOSE CHALLENGES WHEN THEY'VE
COME UP.

ELECTIONS ARE SO INVOLVED,
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY EASY.

BUT THAT'S WHERE IT TAKES A
TEAM OF PEOPLE, WHETHER THAT'S

THE 1300 POLL WORKERS WE USE,
OR ALL OF THE OTHER ELECTED

OFFICIALS AND PARTNERS THAT WE
HAVE ALONG THE WAY.

IT'S WHY I'M PROUD TO HAVE
COUNTY SUPPORT THROUGHOUT THE

STATE, WHETHER IT'S COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS, CLERKS,

SHERIFFS OR OTHERS, BECAUSE WE
WORK HARD TO MAKE SURE OUR

ELECTIONS WORK WELL.
>> Betsy Russell: CAN YOU GIVE

US AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE
TIMES THINGS HAVEN'T GONE

REALLY WELL AND WHAT YOU DID?
>> Phil McGrane: ABSOLUTELY.

A GREAT EXAMPLE JUST FROM THE
NOVEMBER ELECTION.

WE HAD AN ISSUE WHERE MANY
PEOPLE MAY NOT REALIZE WE

ROTATE THE NAMES OF CANDIDATES
ON THE BALLOT.

MAKING SURE EACH CANDIDATE
GETS A TURN AT THE TOP.

WE FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS AN
ERROR RELATED TO ONE OF THE

RACES PRINTING THOSE BALLOTS.
WE WERE QUICK TO JUMP ON THAT

AND TO PRINT NEW BALLOTS TO
MAKE SURE THAT VOTERS AND

EARLY VOTING AND ON ELECTION
DAY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT

RESOURCES.
WE LEARNED THAT THE ELECTION

WAS CLOSE, I SHARED THAT
INFORMATION WITH ALL INVOLVED,

INCLUDING THE CANDIDATES.
WE CONDUCTED A RECOUNT WHERE

EVERYTHING MATCHED, AND WORKED
WITH EVERYBODY INVOLVED AND I

THINK IT'S ONE OF THE BEST
EXAMPLES OF ELECTIONS

INTEGRITY.
MAKING SURE EVERYONE HAS THE

RESOURCES.
ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED

THROUGH THAT PROCESS WAS THAT
WE NEEDED A TOOL TO ADDRESS IT

IN CASE WE EVER NEED TO TAKE
AN ELECTION TO A JUDGE.

AND I'M PROUD TO SAY I GOT
LEGISLATION THROUGH THIS PAST

SESSION TO MAKE THAT POSSIBLE.
THAT WE CAN HAVE JUDICIAL

REVIEW IN A CLOSE ELECTION AND
GIVING AUTHORITY TO A JUDGE TO

CALL A NEW ELECTION IF IT'S
NECESSARY.

I THINK THOSE -- THAT'S A GOOD
EXAMPLE OF JUST HAVING THAT ON

THE GROUND EXPERIENCE AND
KNOWING WHEN SOMETHING NUANCED

LIKE THAT HAPPENS, WHAT TO DO
AND HOW TO REACT.

>> Melissa Davlin: SENATOR
SOUTH, YOU'RE NEXT, AND IF I

MAY POSE THE QUESTION TO YOU
YOU --

>> Mary Souza: I WANTED TO
RESPOND TO WHAT CLERK MCGRANE

JUS SAID.
THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A
COMMENT ABOUT THE MERIDIAN

CITY COUNCIL RACE THAT YOU
WERE REFERRING TO IN THE

NOVEMBER ELECTION.
AND THAT I HAD A CONVERSATION

WITH A GENTLEMAN THAT WAS NOT
ROTATED AS HIS NAME WAS ON THE

BALLOT.
AND HE TOLD ME THAT IT WAS NOT

UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION AND
AFTER YOU REALIZED YOUR OFFICE

REALIZED IT WAS GOING TO BE A
CLOSE ELECTION, THAT YOU LET

THE PEOPLE INVOLVED KNOW THAT
THERE COULD BE A PROBLEM.

THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT
WASN'T DONE CORRECTLY.

I'VE BEEN A BUSINESS OWNER FOR
37 YEARS WITH MY HUSBAND, AND

I WAS GENERAL MANAGER FOR 15
OF THOSE YEARS.

I KNOW THAT MISTAKES HAPPEN.
BUT IT'S HOW YOU HANDLE THE

MISTAKE THAT MAKES THE
DIFFERENCE.

TRANSPARENCY IS REALLY
IMPORTANT IN OUR ELECTIONS,

AND I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO
SEE YOU OR YOUR OFFICE GIVE

THAT INFORMATION TO THE PEOPLE
INVOLVED ON THAT BALLOT RIGHT

AS SOON AS YOU DISCOVERED IT,
SO THEY WOULD HAVE ANTICIPATED

THAT THIS COULD BE SOMETHING
THAT THEY SHOULD WATCH.

>> Melissa Davlin: I'LL GIVE
YOU 60 SECONDS TO RESPOND.

>> Phil McGrane: THANK YOU,
MELISSA.

I THINK THAT HIGHLIGHTS JUST
THE LACK OF EXPERIENCE WHEN IT

COMES TO HOW COMPLEX OUR
ELECTIONS ARE AND EVERYTHING

THAT'S INVOLVED.
I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST

CHALLENGES, THERE ARE SO MANY
MOVING PARTS.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE.
THE ROTATION ON THE BALLOTS,

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HAVING
EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE

CANDIDATES.
AND ON A TOP TICKET RACE LIKE

THE MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL
RACE, IT HAS A MINIMAL IMPACT.

IT'S THE DOWN BALLOT RACES
WHERE IT HAS A HUGE EFFECT.

IN EVERY INSTANCE, WE TRACK
AND MONITOR AND MAKE SURE WE

KEEP TRACK OF EVERYTHING SO WE
CAN SHARE IT WITH THE

CANDIDATES AND GIVE THEM THE
TOOLS.

I WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE
CANDIDATE IN THIS RACE TO MAKE

SURE HE HAD ALL THE
INFORMATION, TOOLS, AND EVEN

GUIDE TOUCHDOWN HIM THROUGH
THE RECOUNT PROCESS TO MAKE

SURE HE COULD SEE ALL ASPECTS
OF OUR ELECTIONS.

I THINK THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE
IS I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO PUT

THIS BEFORE A JUDGE, AND IT'S
WHY I WORKED ON LEGISLATION

BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE IT IN
OUR ELECTIONS TO TRY AND

ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, AND NOW WE
DO.

I THINK IT'S THAT KIND OF
LEADERSHIP THAT WE NEED IN THE

SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE.
>> Mary Souza: I'VE GOT TO

ADDRESS THIS TOO.
THIS ISN'T THE END OF THE

STORY.
>> Melissa Davlin: I'LL GIVE

YOU 60 SECONDS.
>> Mary Souza: MICHAEL HAWN, I

EXPWIEWD HIM AND I THINK CLERK
MCGRANE, THE FACT OF THE

MATTER IS YOU WERE AWARE THE
BALLOTS WENT OUT NOT

RANDOMIZED.
IT WAS 2100.

SO I GUESS IT WAS
STATISTICALLY -- THESE 56

VOTES THAT HE LOST BY,
STATISTICALLY WAS THAT ENOUGH,

TO WHERE HE COULD HAVE
PREVAILED.

SO I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT

IMMEDIATELY, IT SHOULD HAVE
BEEN STOPPED IMMEDIATELY,

INSTEAD OF LETTING IT GO, AND
YOU HAD TO SEEK COUNSEL FROM

THE STATE OF STATE -- THE
SECRETARY OF STATE AND

ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, AS
MUCH EXPERIENCE AS YOU HAD, I

WOULD HAVE THOUGHT YOU WOULD
HAVE RERUN, RETRIEVED THOSE

2100 BALLOTS AND DONE THE
ELECTION -- THE FACT YOU

DIDN'T HAVE A REMEDY RIGHT
AWAY WAS VERY CONCERNING TO

THE CANDIDATE, ALSO TO ME.
>> Melissa Davlin: I'LL GIVE

YOU 30 SECONDS AND THEN WE
NEED TO MOVE ON.

>> Phil McGrane: ONCE AGAIN,
THIS SHOWS THE LACK OF

UNDERSTANDING OF HOW OUR
ELECTION LAWS WORK IN IDAHO.

I SOUGHT THE COUNSEL AND
ASSISTANCE OF THE ATTORNEY

GENERAL AND THE SECRETARY OF
STATE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT

IDAHO LAW REQUIRES.
I DID NOT HAVE THE LEGAL

AUTHORITY TO ADDRESS IT SO I
WENT TO THOSE WHO DO HAVE THE

LEGAL AUTHORITY AND GUIDED
SECRETARY DENNY IN A WAY THAT

WE COULD HAVE PUT IT BEFORE A
JUDGE.

IT'S THAT LEVEL OF
EXPERIENCING AND KNOWING TITLE

34 IN OUR ELECTIONS CODE THAT
IS THE NECESSARY SKILLS TO BE

SECRETARY OF STATE.
>> Betsy Russell: SENATOR

SOUZA, YOU SPENT YOUR
POLITICAL CAREER IN THE

LEGISLATURE, NOT RUNNING AN
ELECTIONS OFFICE.

WHAT IN YOUR EXPERIENCE
QUALIFIES YOU TO BE IDAHO'S

SECRETARY OF STATE AND TO
OVERSEE ELECTION STATEWIDE?

>> Mary Souza: THAT'S AN
EXCELLENT QUESTION.

THE ROLE OF SECRETARY OF STATE
IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE

ROLE OF COUNTY CLERK.
THE ROLE -- THE COUNTY CLERKS

ARE IN CHARGE AS CLERK MCGRANE
AS EXPLAINED, THEY ARE IN

CHARGE OF THE DAY-TO-DAY
LOGISTICS DURING THE ELECTION

SEASON.
AND PREPARING AND GETTING ALL

OF THE RECORDS CORRECT.
THE SECRETARY OF STATE IS MUCH

MORE OF A SUPERVISORY JOB.
THE SECRETARY IS TITLED THE

CHIEF ELECTIONS OFFICER OF THE
STATE.

NOT TO RUN ELECTIONS, BUT TO
OVERSEE THE ELECTION LAWS THAT

WE HAVE ON OUR BOOKS, AND TO
MAKE SURE THAT THOSE LAWS ARE

ENFORCED AND UPDATED AS
NEEDED.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE VERY
ANTIQUATED LAWS IN OUR

ELECTION SYSTEM.
FOR EXAMPLE, IN 2009, I WAS IN

NORTH IDAHO, WHERE I LIVE, AND
WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL RACE

THAT WAS DETERMINED BY FIVE
VOTES.

BETSY, I WAS ACTUALLY WRITING
A POLITICAL COLUMN FOR THE

COEUR D'ALENE PRESS, I WASN'T
IN POLITICS.

AND I WAS IN THE AUDIENCE
TAKING NOTES ON THIS COURT

TRIAL THAT PURSUED, THAT
ENSUED FROM THE CITY COUNCIL

RACE THAT WAS SO CLOSE.
MY EYES WERE OPENED.

I COULDN'T BELIEVE WHAT WE
FOUND, WHAT WAS FOUND, AND I

THOUGHT OUR SYSTEM WAS
ROCK-SOLID, BUT IT WASN'T.

AND ONE OF THE EXAMPLES IS
THAT A WOMAN FROM CANADA WHO

HAD LIVED THERE FOR 20 YEARS
VOTED LEGALLY IN OUR CITY

COUNCIL RACE, BECAUSE THE
DEFINITION OF "RESIDENT" HAD

NOT BEEN CHANGED FOR A VERY
LONG TIME.

AND IT STILL HASN'T BEEN
CHANGED TO THIS DAY.

>> Betsy Russell: REPRESENTATI
VE MOON, SAME QUESTION.

WHAT IN YOUR EXPERIENCE
QUALIFIES YOU TO BE IDAHO

SECRETARY OF STATE AND OVERSEE
ELECTIONS STATEWIDE?

>> Dorothy Moon: THANK YOU,
BETSY.

I THINK MY QUALIFICATIONS ARE
THE FACT THAT I'VE RUN

BUSINESSES.
I HAVE THE MOON AND ASSOCIATES

BUSINESS, WE'VE BEEN -- WE'VE
PROBABLY HAD 20 EMPLOYEES,

MAYBE 25 OVER THE COURSE OF,
SINCE 1994.

SO I KNOW HOW TO MANAGE
PEOPLE, I DEFINITELY KNOW HOW

TO HIRE, I DEFINITELY KNOW HOW
TO FIRE.

AS FAR AS MY GET IT DONE
ATTITUDE IN EDUCATION -- AND

USE EDUCATION AS A GOOD WAY TO
MAKE SURE OUR POLL WATCHERS,

AND CLERK UNDERSTAND WHAT
THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE

EVERY TIME AN ELECTION COMES
UP.

I UNDERSTAND THAT AFTER THE
ALL-ABSENTEE BALLOT ELECTION

PRIMARY THERE WAS A LOT OF
CONCERN ABOUT HOW POLL

WATCHERS WERE TREATED, HOW
THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO WATCH

THE MACHINES WHEN THEY WERE
TABULATING, SO THERE WERE A

COUPLE OF TIMES I HAD TO CALL
THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S

OFFICE AND SAY IF MY POLL
WATCHER LEAVES THIS COUNTY,

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE
TO COME BACK IN THROUGH THAT

DOOR.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF TRIAL

AND ERROR DURING THAT PERIOD.
BUT FACT OF THE MATTER IS,

EVERYBODY SERVES A CERTAIN
POSITION DURING ELECTIONS.

AND AN EDUCATOR ONE OF THE
FIRST THINGS I WOULD DO IS GO

TO ALL 44 COUNTIES AND MAKE
SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS

WHAT THEIR JOB IS WHAT IT
ENTAILS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE CHALLENGERS
THAT COME INTO THE EQUATION AS

WELL.
SO TO ME EDUCATION TO MAKE

SURE EVERYONE THOSE WHICH LANE
THEY STAY IN, WHAT THEY NEED

TO BE DOING TO MAKE SURE THE
PUBLIC FEELS CONFIDENCE IN THE

SYSTEM, AND REMOVES ANY DOUBT
THAT THERE'S PROBLEMS IN THE

SYSTEM.
>> Melissa Davlin: NEXT

QUESTION COMES FROM RYAN
SUPPE.

>> Ryan Suppe: QUESTION FOR
ALL THE CANDIDATES.

DO YOU BELIEVE JOE BIDEN
FAIRLY WON THE 2020

PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?
PLEASE ANSWER YES OR NO AND

SAY WHY OR WHY NOT.
CLERK MCGRANE.

>> Phil McGrane: RYAN, I THINK
IT'S SO INTERESTING THAT YOU

ASKED THAT QUESTION.
BECAUSE IT'S A REFLECTION OF

JUST WHERE WE ARE.
SO MANY OF THE CURRENT

CONCERNS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF
THE 2020 ELECTION.

JOE BIDEN WAS ELECTED
PRESIDENT DURING THAT

ELECTION.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE

SEEN AND EXPERIENCED AS I'VE
TRAVELED AROUND THE STATE IS

THE CONCERNS THAT IDAHO VOTERS
HAVE.

WHEN MOST IDAHOANS REFLECT ON
THEIR VOTING EXPERIENCE AND

HEADING TO THE POLLS AND POLL
WORKERS THERE CHECKING THEM

IN, THEY FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT
THEIR ELECTIONS LOCALLY.

BUT WHEN THEY LOOK ACROSS THE
COUNTRY, THERE ARE MANY

CONCERNS, EVEN THE REACTIONS
LIKE WE WATCHED IN ARIZONA IN

TERMS OF HOW THEY HANDLED THE
POST-ELECTION PROCESS.

ONE OF THE BIG THINGS I WANT
TO DO AS SECRETARY OF STATE IS

MAKE SURE THAT IDAHOANS FEEL
CONFIDENT THAT WHEN THEY DROP

THEIR BALLOT IN THE BALLOT
BOX, THAT YOUR VOTE WILL

COUNT.
AND YOUR VOTE WILL COUNT JUST

THE SAME AS ANYONE ELSE, AND
NO ONE IS TAMPERING WITH OUR

ELECTIONS.
WE HAVE A GREAT ELECTION

SYSTEM HERE IN THE STATE, AND
I'M GOING TO DO EVERYTHING I

CAN TO CONTINUE TO ENSURE THAT
WELL INTO THE FUTURE.

>> Ryan Suppe: SENATOR SOUZA,
SAME QUESTION.

>> Mary Souza: THANK YOU,
RYAN.

I HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION.
I DO NOT THINK THAT JOE BIDEN

WON THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
BUT HE HAS BEEN NAMED

PRESIDENT, AND THAT'S BEEN
CERTIFIED.

SO I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE WOULD
GO BACK.

BUT WE HAVE TO LEARN FROM WHAT
HAPPENED.

AND THERE WERE MANY THINGS, I
WILL CALL IT DEATH BY A

THOUSAND CUTS AS THE CHINESE
WOULD PUT IT.

IT WAS BALLOT HARVESTING.
IT WAS BALLOT BOXES THAT WERE

EITHER VIDEOTAPED OR -- BUT
THEY WERE NOT MANNED.

IT WAS A LOT OF SMALL CHANGES
IN LAW THAT WERE SIGNIFICANT

DURING THE COVID CRISIS IN
MANY OF THE SWING STATES.

AND THEY WERE NOT DONE LEGALLY
BY THE STATE LEGISLATURES.

THEY WERE DONE BY JUDGES, OR
SECRETARIES OF STATE.

I AM A MEMBER OF THE HONEST
ELECTION PROJECT, WHICH IS

ONLY A DOZEN LEGISLATORS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

AND WE GET TOGETHER TWICE A
YEAR FOR INTENSE WORKSHOPS

WITH ELECTION EXPERTS.
ALL OF THE OTHER 11

LEGISLATORS ARE FROM SWING
STATES, LIKE WISCONSIN,

PENNSYLVANIA, ARIZONA, AND
MORE.

AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
NOW TO LOOK BACK AND SEE WHAT

HAPPENED IN THOSE STATES,
WISCONSIN IS COMING OUT WITH A

SHOCKING 150-PAGE REPORT ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENED IN THEIR STATE.

BEING DONE BY OUR OFFICE OF
SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS.%

IT'S INCREDIBLE.
AND I WILL REFER TO IT LATER.

BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR EYES
WIDE OPEN IN IDAHO, AND SAY,

WE HAVE TO SECURE OUR SYSTEM,
EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE FRAUD

RIGHT NOW, WE -- IT IS COMING,
AND IT IS ALL AROUND US, AND

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A
SAFETIES ITEM.

>> Ryan Suppe: REPRESENTATIVE
MOON.

>> Dorothy Moon: NO.
WHEN WE NOTICED AROUND THE

BATTLEGROUND STATES WERE GOING
TO BED, AND THEY WERE GOING TO

START BACK UP IN THE MORNING,
IN MY LIFETIME I HAD NEVER

SEEN THAT HAPPEN.
NOR HAD MOST AMERICANS WHO

STAY UP THAT LATE TO WATCH FOR
THE RESULTS.

SADLY, THE FACT OF THE MATTER
IS, WE HAD TO DEAL WITH IT.

EVERYONE WAS IN SHOCK, A LOT
OF US BASED ON POLLING,

PRESIDENT TRUMP SHOULD HAVE
BEEN REELECTED.

65% OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS
STATE VOTED FOR TRUMP.

THE HIGHEST IN THE ENTIRE
NATION.

AS A LEGISLATOR, MOST PHONE
CALLS I HAVE RECEIVED AND MOST

EMAILS AND MOST PERSONAL
CONTACTS HAVE ALL BEEN ABOUT

ELECTION INTEGRITY ISSUES EVER
SINCE THAT ELECTION.

IN FACT, IT WAS SO BAD I
DECIDED TO GO OUT AND MEET

WITH PEOPLE.
I WENT ON A TOUR FROM DECEMBER

ON, AND MET WITH THOUSANDS AND
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN FOUR

MONTHS AT 40 VENUES ON
WEEKENDS WHILE IT WAS IN

SESSION.
AND THE BIGGEST ISSUE WAS

WITHOUT A DOUBT HOW COME WE
DIDN'T JOIN THE TEXAS LAWSUIT,

THE MINUTE THAT THIS LAWSUIT
CAME ABOUT?

AND IT TOOK OUR LIEUTENANT
GOVERNOR TO FILE AN AMICUS

BRIEF IN WHICH 40 LOSHES
SIGNED ON TO, AND I WAS ONE OF

THEM.
IN FACT, I WAS ONE OF ONLY 11

TO SIGN ON TO A PETITION FOR A
FORENSIC AUDIT.

SO I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT
WHAT HAS HAPPENED.

WE CANNOT LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND IDAHO NEEDS TO BE THE

BEACON ON THE HILL AND SHOW
THAT OUR ELECTIONS WILL NOT BE

COMPROMISED, AND WE WILL
DEFINITELY FIGHT TO MAKE SURE

THERE IS NO DOUBT IN OUR
SYSTEM.

>> Melissa Davlin: HOW WOULD
YOU REBUILD THAT TRUST IF YOU

THINK IT FAILED SO
MONUMENTALLY?

>> Dorothy Moon: FIRST I'D
MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A

SECURE ELECTION ACT THAT GOT
THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE THIS

YEAR.
I BROUGHT A BILL FORWARD THAT

WOULD HAVE TIGHTENED UP
IDENTIFICATION AS FAR AS

RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS, THINGS
YOU COULD AND COULDN'T USE AND

CITIZENSHIP.
AND CITIZENSHIP I'M SURE WILL

BE A QUESTION PRETTY SOON.
AN AFFIDAVIT, WE'RE ALLOWING

PEOPLE TO SEND A PIECE OF
PAPER SAYING THEY ARE WHO THEY

ARE, AND WE GIVE THEM A BALLOT
AND UPON RECEIPT OF THAT

BALLOT THEY VOTED, AND MAYBE A
FEW DAYS LATER THE CLERK MIGHT

FIND OUT HEY, THIS PERSON
DOESN'T LIVE IN THIS COUNTY.

THEY JUST FILED AN ILLEGAL
BALLOT.

WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE JUST BEEN
CANCELED OUT.

AND WE CANNOT ALLOW ANY
ILLEGAL VOTE TO TAKE OUT A

LEGAL VOTE IN THIS STATE.
AND THAT IS WHAT I WILL DO,

AND HOPEFULLY WORKING WITH THE
LEGISLATURE, WE CAN GET RID OF

THE AFFIDAVITS, WE CAN TIGHTEN
THINGS UP, AT LEAST THAT ARE

PHOTO I.D. IS NOT A REASONABLE
REQUIREMENT.

WE HAVE TO HAVE
GOVERNMENT-ISSUED PHOTO I.D.

TO RECEIVE A BALLOT.
>> Melissa Davlin: RYAN, DID

YOU HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION?
>> Ryan Suppe: REPRESENTATIVE

MOON, YOU ASKED FOR THE
CITIZENSHIP QUESTION, HERE IT

COMES.
>> Dorothy Moon: ALL RIGHT.

I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE THE
FIRST ONE.

GO AHEAD.
>> Ryan Suppe: AN EARLY

VERSION OF YOUR BILL REQUIRED
PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP AT THE

POLLS.
WHY SHOULD VOTERS NEED TO

PROVE CITIZENSHIP AT THE POLLS
AND WHO SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE

FOR VERIFYING IT?
>> Dorothy Moon: ONE, IT'S THE

LAW.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A

CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES
AND OF IDAHO TO VOTE.

AS FAR AS CITIZENSHIP
REQUIREMENT, WHEN MY BILL, THE

SECURE ELECTION ACT, WAS
PRESENTED, ONE THING ABOUT

PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO CONFUSE
THE BILL AND SAY THAT YOU HAD

TO HAVE A CITIZEN REQUIREMENT
EVERY TIME YOU WOULD GO IN AND

REGISTER TO VOTE.
SO IF YOU MOVED FROM CUSTER

COUNTY TO COOT NINTENDO WII
COUNTY YOU'D HAVE TO DO IN

WITH A BOAT LOAD OF DOCUMENTS.
NO, THAT'S UPON INITIAL

REGISTRATION.
AS FAR AS CITIZENSHIP, THERE

WAS A BILL MOVED BY
REPRESENTATIVE MITCHELL THAT

WOULD HAVE YOUR DRIVER'S
LICENSE HAVE A STAMP THAT

STATED WHETHER YOU WERE A
CITIZEN OR NONCITIZEN.

AND SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT
MOVED THROUGH SADLY, THOUGH,

IT WASN'T MANDATORY, IT WAS
VOLUNTARY.

HAD IT BEEN MANDATORY THAT WAS
SOMETHING THAT COULD BE EASILY

SEEN, BUT -- ANY ELECTION
WORKER AT THE POLLS.

BUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
SO IT WAS WATERED DOWN WITH A

MANDATORY REQUIREMENT.
HOWEVER, AS FASCIAS THE

CITIZENSHIP GOES, THERE IS
MULTIPLE WAYS THAT THEY CAN

PROVE CITIZENSHIP, IT HAS TO
BE PROVED ON TIME, AND EVEN IF

YOU COME IN FROM ANOTHER STATE
AND YOU'VE PROVEN CITIZENSHIP

THERE AND YOU HAVE A CARD SUCH
AS THIS LICENSE I'VE DESCRIBED

THAT WE HAVE HAD PASSED BY
REPRESENTATIVE MITCHELL, THEN

THAT CARD, THEY COULD BRING
OVER FROM INDIANA, AND USE

THAT CARD TO GO AHEAD AND
REGISTER TO VOTE.

BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY GONE
THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PROVING

CITIZENSHIP.
>> Ryan Suppe: CLERK MCGRANE,

SAME QUESTION TO YOU.
>> Phil McGrane: I THINK THIS

IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF JUST MY
EXPERIENCE.

I'M THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO HAS
ACTUALLY WORKED ON THESE

ISSUES, WHO'S WORKED WITH THE
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND

SECURITY TO ADDRESS
CITIZENSHIP ISSUES.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IS
WE DON'T HAVE NONCITIZENS

VOTING IN OUR ELECTIONS AND
ANY INSTANCE THAT QUESTION

EVER MIGHT WE'RE QUICK TO
PURSUE IT.

NORTHBOUND ADA COUNTY WE'VE
ONLY HAD ONE INSTANCE WHERE

THERE'S BEEN AN ACCUSATION OF
A NONCITIZEN VOTING.

WORKING WITH HOMELAND
SECURITY, OUT OF THE 300,000

REGISTERED VOTERS THAT WE
HAVE, WE'VE NARROWED IT DOWN

TO EVEN EIGHT POSSIBLE
NONCITIZENS.

I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT
MESSAGE IS THAT WE ADDRESS

THIS.
AND WE WORK ON IT.

WE HAVE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE,
WHEN SOMEONE REGISTERS TO

VOTE, NOT ONLY DID THEY NEED
TO PROVE, SHOW PHOTO

IDENTIFICATION AND PROOF OF
RESIDENCE, BUT WE ACTUALLY

VERIFY AGAINST THE DEPARTMENT
OF MOTOR VEHICLES, SOCIAL

SECURITY ADMINISTRATION, VITAL
STATISTICS TO MAKE SURE

THEY'RE ALIVE, AND THE
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS.

IN FACT, THE MOST COMMON FORM
OF VOTER FRAUD THAT WE SEE IS

FELONS VOTING.
IT'S NOT PEOPLE COMING FROM

CANADA OR ELSEWHERE TRYING TO
INFLUENCE OUR ELECTIONS.

WE HAVE A GOOD SYSTEM HERE IN
IDAHO AND WE HAVE SAFEGUARDS

IN PLACE ACROSS ALL 44
COUNTIES.

AND IS THE ROLE OF THE
SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE TO

ENSURE THAT THAT SYSTEM IS IN
PLACE SO THE CLERKS CAN RELY

ON IT AND MAKE SURE OUR
ELECTIONS ARE SECURE.

I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD SYSTEM
IN PLACE, WE HAVE MANY

SAFEGUARDS, AND ONE OF THE
THINGS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT

PHOTO IDENTIFICATION, WE'VE
EVEN IMPLEMENTED TOOLS SO

PEOPLE CAN SCAN THEIR PHOTO
I.D. WHEN -- RIGHT BEFORE THEY

VOTE TO LOOK THEM UP.
IT'S IMPROVED THE SECURITY OF

OUR SYSTEM, AND MADE IT MORE
CONVENIENT FOR VOTERS.

>> Melissa Davlin: REPRESENTAT
IVE MOON, 30 SECONDS.

>> Dorothy Moon: CLERK
MCGRANE, YOU SAID YOU KNOW OF

NO CASES OF A NONCITIZEN
VOTING IN THIS ELECTION, THEN

YOU SAID YOU KNOW OF ONE AND
POSSIBLY EIGHT MORE.

SO, YES, THERE HAVE BEEN
NONCITIZENS WHO HAVE VOTED IN

THIS ELECTION.
IN FACT, JUST RECENTLY I HAVE

AN EMAIL THREAD FROM A COUPLE
THAT HAD TURNED IN A PERSON

THAT THEY KNOW WHO HAD VOTED
ILLEGALLY THREE TIMES IN AN

ADA COUNTY ELECTIONS.
AND THIS WAS TURNED OVER TO

THE SECRETARY OF STATE, THE
SECRETARY OF STATE TURNED IT

OVER TO YOU, SUPPOSEDLY IT HAS
GONE TO THE SHERIFF'S

DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GONE

FROM THERE.
BUT AS FAR AS --

>> Phil McGrane: I'M HAPPY TO
UPDATE YOU.

SORRY FOR MISSPEAKING.
I THINK THAT'S FAIR.

THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF
ACTUALLY THE FIRST REQUEST

CAME TO ME DIRECTLY.
AND IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE

RECOGNIZED OUR ROLE IN THESE
ELECTIONS.

AND IN THIS CASE WE DID PURSUE
IT.

WE'VE WORKED WITH THE
SHERIFF'S OFFICE, FIRST THE

VOTER HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM
THE ROLLS.

IT'S BEEN INVESTIGATED AS A
POTENTIAL VOTER FRAUD CASE,

AND IT HAS BEEN PASSED ON TO
THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE, AND

ADA COUNSEL CITY AS WELL AS
THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR

PROSECUTION.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF

ELECTIONS INTEGRITY BECAUSE WE
DO TAKE THESE THINGS

SERIOUSLY.
AND BOTH AS CLERK AND AS

SECRETARY OF STATE, I WILL
CONTINUE TO FIGHT TO PROTECT

OUR ELECTIONS.
>> Melissa Davlin: RYAN, THE

NEXT QUESTION IS FOR SENATOR
SOUZA.

>> Mary Souza: I DON'T GET THE
SAME QUESTION?

>> Melissa Davlin: YES, SAME
QUESTION.

>> Mary Souza: I WAS GOING TO
REMARK THAT CLERK MCGRANE'S

ANSWERS TO THE VOTER I.D.
ISSUE HAVE BEEN MIXED

MESSAGES.
AND I HAD A VOTER I.D. BILL AS

WELL, IT WAS A COMPREHENSIVE
VOTER I.D. BILL, CLEANING UP

OUR CURRENT LAWS WHICH HAVE A
MISHMASH OF REQUIREMENTS FOR

ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN
REGISTER TO VOTE AND ALL THE

DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN VOTE.
AND WE NEED CONSISTENCY IN OUR

LAWS.
AND CLARITY.

STUDENT I.D.ES ARE NOT
CITIZENSHIP TESTED.

THEY ARE NOT EVEN VALID FOR A
LOT OF OTHER REASONS.

THEY SHOULD NOT BE USED AS A
VOTING TOOL, BUT IN ADA

COUNTY, ON THEIR MOBILE VOTING
TRUCK, THE CITIZEN -- THE

STUDENTS CAN USE THEIR STUDENT
I.D.s TO COME OUT OF COLLEGE

AND REGISTER TO VOTE AND VOTE
IMMEDIATELY.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT,
BECAUSE THERE'S NO CONTROL

OVER WHAT CAN BE USED.
I WOULD TAKE STUDENT I.D.s

OFF THAT LIST IMMEDIATELY, AND
REQUIRE THAT THE OTHER I.D.s

MUST HAVE CITIZENSHIP
REQUIREMENTS ON THEM IN ORDER

TO REGISTER TO VOTE AND TO BE
SHOWN AT THE POLLS.

WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A
DIFFERENT SET OF I.D.s.

THEY CAN ALL BE USED.
HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THAT I

THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE CLEAR
ON WHAT OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE

SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TO
EXPECT.

THERE ARE FRAUDULENT VOTERS IN
OUR STATE.

AND CLERK MCGRANE CONSTANTLY
ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL IS

SAYING THAT WE HAVE NO
PROBLEM, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM,

EVERYTHING IS JUST FINE.
WE NEED TO OPEN OUR EYES AND

MAKE SURE WE HAVE A COMMON
SENSE ANSWER TO THESE

SITUATIONS.
>> Melissa Davlin: 15 SECONDS,

AND WE HAVE TO MOVE ON.
>> Phil McGrane: I THINK ONE

OF THE BIGGEST THINGS, THIS IS
MISLEADING IN TERMS OF

LEGISLATION.
DO WE NEED GREATER CLARITY?

ABSOLUTELY.
BUT IS IT THE LEGISLATURE'S

ROLE TO DETERMINE OUR LAWS?
IT'S OUR JOB TO EXECUTE THEM.

AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT
THE LEGISLATION YOU MENTIONED

DIDN'T PASS IS BECAUSE IT
SPECIFICALLY MADE IT DIFFICULT

FOR THE MILITARY TO VOTE.
IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK OUR

SERVICE MEMBERS TO SERVE AND
FIGHT FOR US OVERSEAS, THEY

SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE,
ESPECIALLY IF IT'S THE

GOVERNOR THAT SENT THEM THERE.
>> Melissa Davlin: THE NEXT

QUESTION -- I'LL GIVE YOU 15
SECONDS TO RESPOND AND THE

NEXT QUESTION IS FROM KELCIE.
>> MY VOTER I.D. BILL TOOK

INTO CONSIDERATION THE
MILITARY VOTE.

YOU WERE NOT THERE TESTIFYING
ON IT.

BUT CLERK MCGRANE LIKES TO SAY
IT'S UP TO THE LEGISLATURE TO

AND THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
BUT HE ALSO INTERVENES, AND HE

INTERVENES IN A WAY TO STOP
THE BILLS FROM BEING HEARD.

IF HE DOESN'T LIKE THEM FOR
POLITICAL REASONS.

>> Kelcie Moseley-Morris: AS
OF APRIL 13th, IDAHO HAD

MORE THAN 990,000 REGISTERED
VOTERS ACROSS 44 COUNTIES AND

35 LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS.
ELECTIONS ARE COMPLEX AND CAN

INCLUDE EVERYTHING FROM CITY
COUNCILS TO SCHOOL BOARDS TO

BONDS AND LEVIES.
SENATOR SOUTH, WHAT DO YOU

BELIEVE IS THE MOST
CHALLENGING ASPECT OF RUNNING

AN ELECTION, AND WHAT WOULD
YOU CHANGE?

>> Mary Souza: THANK YOU,
KELCIE.

I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE
REALLY STRONG LEADERSHIP FROM

THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S
OFFICE, AND STRONG

COMMUNICATION TO ALL OF THE
COUNTIES.

EACH OF OUR COUNTIES RUNS
THEIR ELECTIONS IN A SLIGHTLY

DIFFERENT WAY.
PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF IT IS

THEIR CHOICE, BUT ALSO BECAUSE
WE HAVE A VERY DIVERSE STATE,

AND CAMPAIGNING ALL AROUND THE
STATE, I WILL TELL YOU, IT IS

QUITE DIFFERENT FROM ONE PART
OF THE STATE TO ANOTHER.

SO THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S
OFFICE WAS NEVER INFORMED WHEN

CLERK MCGRANE AND ADA COUNTY
DECIDED TO TAKE $500,000 OF

FACEBOOK MONEY WITHOUT
CONSULTING WITH THE CHIEF

ELECTIONS OFFICER OF THE
STATE.

THAT SHOWS -- AND THEN HE ALSO
RECOMMENDED TO ALL THE OTHER

COUNTY CLERKS THAT THEY TAKE
THIS KIND BE OF MONEY TOO.

THAT THEY APPLY FOR FACEBOOK
MONEY AS WELL.

THAT SHOWS TO ME A LACK OF
RESPECT, LEADERSHIP, AND

COMMUNICATION, AND I THINK
THAT IS KEY.

AS A BUSINESS OWNER OF 37
YEARS, AND A GENERAL MANAGER,

WE HAD A BIG STAFF, WE STILL
DO, AND I WAS A CRITICAL CARE

NURSE AND A CHARGE NURSE
BEFORE THAT.

SO IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS,
COMMUNICATION IS ESSENTIAL.

WE MUST BE ABLE TO RESPECT THE
OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM, BUT

ALSO HAVE THAT COMMUNICATION,
OBVIOUSLY THE CLERKS DIDN'T

FEEL THE SAME WAY, BECAUSE
THEY WEREN'T WILLING TO TALK

TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S
OFFICE.

>> Melissa Davlin: CLERK
MCGRANE, I'LL GIVE YOU A

CHANCE TO RESPOND IN A SECOND,
BUT THE NEXT QUESTION IS FOR

REPRESENTATIVE MOON.
>> Kelcie Moseley-Morris: YOU

SAID DURING A DEBATE THE LAST
PEOPLE I WOULD TRUST TO HELP

YOU FILL OUT A PLAT IS THE
GOVERNMENT.

SO IF NOT THE GOVERNMENT, WHO?
AND HOW WOULD YOU IMPROVE

THAT?
>> Dorothy Moon: LET ME GIVE

THAT SOME CONTEXT.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT A BILL,

HOUSE BILL 441, THAT SENATOR
SOUZA HAD BROUGHT FORWARD.

AND THIS WAS A BILL THAT WOULD
ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT TO GO IN

EMPLOYEES OR VOLUNTEERS OF THE
CLERK OF THAT COUNTY TO GO IN

AND HELP SENIORS AND ASSISTED
LIVING OR -- SENIOR HOMES,

NURSING FACILITIES AND HELP
THEM TO VOTE.

MY POINT IS, I DO NOT TRUST
THE GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE YOU

NEVER KNOW WHICH
ADMINISTRATION IS IN PLACE,

AND EVEN THOUGH THIS SHOULD BE
A NONPARTISAN POSITION, IN ALL

REGARDS, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE
ELECTED AS REPUBLICAN, I KNOW

ONCE I STEP INTO THAT OFFICE,
I WILL BE WORKING TO MAKE SURE

EVERYTHING IS UNIFORM AND A
LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR

EVERYONE.
AS FAR AS THIS BILL GOES, IT WAS

ACTUALLY GOVERNMENT SPONSORED
BALLOT HARVESTING, AND I'VE SAID

THAT NUMEROUS TIMES.
WHEN WE CAN HAVE A COUNTY

CLERK TRAIN A VOLUNTEER TO GO
IN AND HELP, OR THE OTHER

ALTERNATIVE, TO HAVE ONE
REPUBLICAN AND ONE DEMOCRAT

BOTH OF THEM TO GO INTO THIS
ASSISTED LIVING CENTER TO HELP

THEM FILL OUT THEIR BALLOTS,
NO.

THEY HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS, THEY
HAVE GUARDIANS, THERE'S

ANOTHER WAY THAT WE'VE ALREADY
BEEN DOING.

IF YOU WANT TO KEEP PEOPLE
FROM COMING IN WITH CERTAIN

POLITICAL GROUPS AND TRYING TO
GET THEM TO VOTE A CERTAIN

WAY, THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE BALLOT

HARVESTING IN ANY REGARD,
ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GOVERNMENT

SPONSORED.
>> Kelcie Moseley-Morris: YOU

MENTIONED IT'S -- BE.
>> Melissa Davlin: YOU CAN

RESPOND AFTER HER QUESTION.
>> Kelcie Moseley-Morris: YOU'

VE BEEN A PARTISAN LEGISLATOR
AS A REPUBLICAN, SO YOU SAY IT

SHOULD BE A NONPARTISAN OFFICE
BUT YOU CAMPAIGNED AS A VERY

PARTISAN PERSON.
>> Dorothy Moon: DEMOCRATS ARE

ALSO PARTISAN.
IT GOES BOTH WAYS.

THERE'S NO DOUBT I'M A
CONSTITUTIONAL CONSERVATIVE

REPUBLICAN.
I'VE NEVER MADE ANY -- I

REPRESENT THE MOST RURAL PART
OF THIS STATE.

I REPRESENT MY CONSTITUENTS.
THAT'S -- THEY HIRED ME TO DO

THAT.
SO THAT'S MY JOB.

I WILL DO MY JOB TO THE BEST
OF WHAT THEY WANT AS A

MAJORITY IN THAT GROUP.
NOW, AS FAR AS THE STATE GOES,

IN RUNNING THIS OFFICE, I HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN EXTREMELY FAIR.

I'M VERY PROUD OF HOW FAIR I
AM IN DEALING WITH ISSUES.

TO ME, IF SOMEBODY IN THE
DEMOCRAT PARTY WAS BEING

SCRUTINIZED OVER A CAMPAIGN
FINANCIAL REPORT UNLIKE

SOMEONE IN THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY, I WON'T HEAR OF IT.

EVERYBODY IS PUTTING IT ON THE
LINE TO RUN FOR OPENS.

EVERYBODY IS SACRIFICING TO BE
AWAY FROM THEIR HOMES AND

FAMILIES TO RUN FOR OFFICE.
AND I THINK THEY SHOULD ALL BE

GIVEN DUE RESPECT FOR WHAT
THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO.

AND THEY WANT TO REPRESENT
THEIR PARTY, AND FOR THEIR

CONSTITUENTS.
SO AS FAR AS MY FAIRNESS, I

DON'T EVEN THINK THAT SHOULD
COME INTO QUESTION.

>> Melissa Davlin: SENATOR
SOUTH I WILL GIVE YOU 30

SECONDS.
>> Mary Souza: 30 SECONDS IS

NOT ENOUGH.
DOROTHY, YOUR EVALUATION OF MY

BILL IS FAKE NEWS.
THAT ABSOLUTELY IS TOTALLY AND

COMPLETELY THE OPPOSITE OF
WHAT THE BILL DID.

PURPORTED TO DO.
AND IT WAS VETTED BY

ELECTION -- NATIONAL ELECTION
EXPERTS.

LET ME TELL YOU ONE OF THE
NEGATIVE OUTCOMES WITHOUT THIS

KIND OF PROTECTION FOR OUR
NURSING HOME RESIDENTS.

THE REPORT THAT JUST CAME OUT
SHOWS THAT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T

HAVE SECURE VOTING ASSISTANCE
IN NURSING HOMES, THEY LET ME

READ THIS TO YOU, WISCONSIN
ACTUALLY HAD SERIOUS PROBLEMS,

THEY UNLAWFULLY VIOLATED THEIR
RULES BY PROA -- OF PROTECTING

NURSING HOME RESIDENTS WHICH
RESULTED IN A 100% VOTING RATE

IN MOST OF THEIR NURSING
HOMES.

AND THESE ARE NURSING HOMES
WITH DEMENTIA PATIENTS AND

PATIENTS WHO ARE INELIGIBLE
VOTERS, AND YET THEY WERE

VOTING AT A 100% RATE.
BECAUSE THE STAFF IN THE

NURSING HOMES WAS ILLEGALLY
ASSISTING AND VOTING FOR THE

RESIDENTS.
WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN,

AND PEOPLE AND STAFF WHO ARE
VOLUNTEERS TRAINED BY OUR

ELECTIONS OFFICES, ARE NOT
GOVERNMENT BALLOT HARVESTERS.

AND THAT IS A TERRIBLE --
>> Melissa Davlin: I'M GOING

TO HAVE TO CUT YOU OFF.
KELCIE, THE NEXT QUESTION IS

FOR CHLOROQUINE MCGRANE.
>> Kelcie Moseley-Morris: YOU

ARE THE ONLY CANDIDATE IN THE
RACE WHO HAS PLAYED A ROLE IN

RUNNING AN ELECTION.
WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU HAVE

IN MIND FOR IMPROVING IT AT
THE STATE LEVEL?

>> Phil McGrane: THANK YOU FOR
THE QUESTION.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
WAS ALREADY TOUCHED ON HERE, I

BELIEVE YOU CAN HOLD
CONSERVATIVE VALUES, AND STILL

BUILD TRUST ACROSS ALL
POLITICAL SPECTRUMS.

AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS
I'VE DONE IN MY ROLE, BOTH AS

COUNTY CLERK AND AS AN
ELECTION SPECIALIST OVER THE

YEARS.
I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST

THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IS TO
PROVIDE TRAINING AND EDUCATION

FOR OUR CLERKS AND FOR THE
ELECTION WORKERS.

IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'M
PROUD OF.

I'VE ALREADY TAKEN A
LEADERSHIP ROLE.

FOUR YEARS AGO, I STARTED THE
IDAHO ELECTIONS CONFERENCE.

BRINGING ELECTION OFFICIALS
FROM ALL PARTS OF THE STATE

TOGETER, TO LEARN AND TO WORK
WITH EACH OTHER TO MAKE SURE

WE'RE SHARING BEST PRACTICES,
WE'RE LEARNING FROM EXPERTS

ALL THROUGHOUT THE NATION,
WE'RE HAVING LAW ENFORCEMENT

COME IN AND DO TRAININGS ON
SIGNATURE VERIFICATIONS, SOME

OF THE OTHER IMPORTANT SKILLS
TO MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY

OF OUR ELECTIONS.
I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO

BUILD ON THAT.
ELECTIONS ARE COMPLEX.

AS WE HAVE MORE AND MORE
VOTERS OVER A MILLION VOTERS

DURING THE 2020 ELECTION, IT
BECOMES MORE COMPLEX AND WE

NEED THE TOOLS TO DEAL WITH
THAT.

SOME OF THAT RELIES ON
TECHNOLOGY.

WHEN I STARTED AND WE WERE
USING PUNCH CARDS, WE WEREN'T

WORRIED ABOUT CYBER SECURITY,
AND ATTACKS FROM CHINA, OR

RUSSIA OR ELSEWHERE.
NOW CYBER SECURITY IS ONE OF

THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES WE
FACE.

AND I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS
WORKED ON THESE ISSUES, AND

WORKED WITH PARTNERS BOTH AT
THE NATIONAL LEVEL AND THE

LOCAL LEVEL, INCLUDING THE
SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE,

TO MAKE SURE OUR ELECTIONS ARE
SECURE.

I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO
DO THAT, BECAUS I REALLY DO

BELIEVE THERE ARE TOOLS AND
WAYS WE CAN MAKE VOTING BOTH

ACCESSIBLE AND MORE SECURE AT
THE SAME TIME.

>> Melissa Davlin: THE NEXT
QUESTION IS FROM BETSY

RUSSELL.
>> Betsy Russell: THIS

QUESTION IS ABOUT WHERE YOU
DRAW THE LINE BETWEEN WHAT YOU

JUST MENTIONED, MAKING VOTER
VOTING ACCESSIBLE, AND MAKING

IT SO BURDENSOME THAT
LEGITIMATE VOTERS CAN'T VOTE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ALL
THREE OF YOU, STARTING WITH

CLERK MCGRANE, WHICH WOULD BE
WORSE?

A FRAUDULENT VOTE BEING CAST,
OR A LEGITIMATE VOTER BEING

TURNED AWAY FROM EXERCISING
THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE?

>> Phil McGrane: BETSY, YOU
TOUCH ON A REALLY IMPORTANT

ISSUE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S MANY

PEOPLE IN IDAHO WHO HAVE SPENT
MORE TIME TRYING TO ENSURE

ACCESS TO VOTERS THAN I HAVE.
EXPANDING THINGS LIKE EARLY

VOTING, WHICH IS ACTUALLY OUR
MOST SECURE FORM OF VOTING.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS
QUESTION BRINGS TO MIND IS KIM

WYMAN, THE REPUBLICAN
SECRETARY OF STATE OF

WASHINGTON.
SHE NOTED THIS LAST YEAR

DISCUSSING SOME OF THE FEDERAL
LEGISLATION WHERE THERE WAS AN

EFFORT TO TAKE OVER ELECTIONS.
WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO

THOUGHTFULLY ADDRESS THESE
ISSUES.

OUR COUNTRY DOES HAVE A
HISTORY OF VOTER FRAUD.

OUR COUNTRY DOES HAVE A
HISTORY OF VOTER SUPPRESSION.

AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE
HONEST CONVERSATIONS SO THAT

WE DON'T MAKE VOTING SO
DISIEWR THAT NO ONE CAN ACCESS

IT, BUT ALSO WE DON'T MAKE IT
SO OPEN THAT IT'S -- THERE'S

OPPORTUNITY FOR FRAUD.
I THINK THIS BALANCING ACT IS

SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE IS
ALWAYS TRYING TO DO.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, OUR
RIGHT TO VOTE IS A

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.
IT'S OUR OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH

IN ON OUR GOVERNMENT.
IT'S OUR VOICE.

AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE
PROTECT AND MAKE SURE THAT

VOTERS HAVE ACCESS TO THE
BALLOT BOX.

THERE'S TOO MANY EFFORTS TO
TRY AND STOP VOTERS WHEN THERE

ARE THE TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO
ADDRESS THIS AND MAINTAIN THAT

SECURITY.
AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THE

SECRETARY OF STATE, BECAUSE OF
MY EXPERIENCE IN ON THE GROUND

WORK I'VE DONE, I'M READY TO
WORK WITH ALL 44 CLERKS

WITHOUT THE STATE TO MAKE THIS
HAPPEN.

>> Betsy Russell: SENATOR, THE
SAME QUESTION.

WHICH WOULD BE WORSE, A
FRAUDULENT VOTE BEING CAST, OR

A LEGITIMATE VOTE BEING TURNED
AWAY FROM EXERCISING THEIR

RIGHT TO VOTE?
>> Mary Souza: I THINK THAT A

LEGITIMATE VOTER BEING TURNED
AWAY WOULD BE WORSE, BECAUSE

THEY ARE LEGITIMATE.
HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK WE NEED

TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
I THINK WE CAN FIX OUR SYSTEM

TO BE ACCESSIBLE, AND SAFE.
WE HAVE A VOTER I.D. PROBLEM,

AND AS REPRESENTATIVE MOON
MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE A

SITUATION RIGHT NOW, AND I
TRIED TO GET IT FIXED TWO

SESSIONS AGO, BUT CLERK
MCGRANE STOPPED IT, TELLING ME

THAT WE DID NOT NEED TO CHANGE
OUR AFFIDAVIT SYSTEM.

RIGHT NOW IF RYAN GOES IN AND
DOESN'T HAVE HIS I.D. AT THE

POLLS, HE CAN JUST SAY OH, I
LEFT IT IN MY CAR, I FORGOT,

THEY WILL GIVE HIM A PAPER
AFFIDAVIT, HE CAN SIGN HIS

NAME, PROMISING HE IS WHO HE
SAYS HE IS, THEY WILL GIVE HIM

A BALLOT, HE WILL VOTE IT AND
IT GOES IN WITH EVERYONE

ELSE'S BALLOTS, CAN NEVER BE
RETRIEVED OR IDENTIFIED AS IT

SHOULD BE FOR BALLOTS NOT
BEING ABLE TO BE IDENTIFIED.

BUT THEN WE HAVE THE
POSSIBILITY THAT HE WAS AN

UNREGISTERED VOTER.
THAT HE WAS FRAUDULENT.

LET ME JUST TELL YOU, IN THE
SCHEME OF THINGS, BECAUSE WE

TALK ABOUT VOTER SUPPRESSION,
AND ALL THE REST OF IT.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THE
CARTER BAKER COMMISSION IN

2005 SAID THAT PHOTO I.D. IS
ABSOLUTELY THE WAY WE SHOULD

GO IN THE UNITED STATES.
AND OUR COUNTRY IS ONE OF THE

VERY FEW WORLD DEMOCRACIES
THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE VOTER

I.D.
OF THE 47 COUNTRIES IN EUROPE,

46 OF THEM REQUIRE
GOVERNMENT-ISSUED VOTER I.D.

>> Melissa Davlin: WE'RE GOING
TO HAVE TO MOVE ON.

>> Mary Souza: PUBLIC OPINION
STRONGLY FAVORS PHOTO I.D. AT

78% ACROSS ALL DEMOGRAPHICS.
>> Melissa Davlin: WE HAVE TO

MOVE ON.
30 SECONDS TO RESPOND AND THEN -

>> Phil McGrane: I THINK IT'S
MISREPRESENTATION.

I PROVIDED ALTERNATE
LEGISLATION WHEN WE MET ON

THAT TO ADDRESS PHOTO
IDENTIFICATION.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO
SHARE IS YOU HEAR THIS TALK

ABOUT PHOTO I.D.
WITH THE TOOLS WE NOW USE, WE

TRACK THIS.
AND IN ADA COUNTY, 98% OF

VOTERS PROVIDED DRIVER'S
LICENSE WHEN THEY VOTE.

1% PROVIDE THEIR PASSPORT WHEN
THEY VOTE.

AND THE OTHER REMAINING
PRESENT -- PERCENT, EITHER

PROVIDE THEIR MILITARY I.D.,
TRIBAL I.D., THEIR STUDENT

I.D., THEIR CONCEALED WEAPONS
PERMIT, OR SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT.

THIS ISN'T A RAMPANT PROBLEM,
JUST LIKE IT'S BEING

EXPRESSED.
WE HAVE CONTROLS AND IN PLACE

WE CAN TRACK IT AND ENFORCE
OUR LAWS AT EACH POLLING

LOCATION.
>> Melissa Davlin: WE HAVE TO

LEAVE IT THERE.
WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

[TALKING AT ONCE]
SENATOR SOUZA, WE HAVE TO

LEAVE IT THERE.
>> Betsy Russell: I WOULD LIKE

TO POSE THE SAME QUESTION.
WHICH WOULD BE WORST, A

FRAUDULENT VOTE BEING CAST OR
A LEGITIMATE VOTER BEING

TURNED AWAY?
>> Dorothy Moon: I'M GOING TO

SAY THE FRAUDULENT VOTER.
I'M GOING TO SAY THE

FRAUDULENT VOTER, BECAUSE IT'S
AGAINST THE LAW.

THEY HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL
RIGHT TO BE VOTING.

AS FAR AS THE LEGITIMATE VOTER
BEING TURNED AWAY, I WILL MAKE

SURE AS YOUR NEXT SECRETARY OF
STATE THAT WE HAVE A HUGE

ELECTION PROCESS OF MAKING
SURE EVERYBODY THOSE WHERE

THEIR PRECINCT IS.
WHAT ARE THE REQUIRED

PAPERWORK FOR YOUR FIRST-TIME
REGISTRATION?

WHAT DO YOU NEED TO BRING WHEN
YOU VOTE?

SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE A
DRIVER'S LICENSE BECAUSE YOU

DON'T WANT TO DRIVE, YOU CAN
STILL GET THE

GOVERNMENT-ISSUED I.D.
MAYBE WE NEED TO LET PEOPLE

KNOW THEY CAN GET ONE THAT
DOESN'T HAVE THE PRIVILEGES SO

THEY CAN STILL HAVE A
GOVERNMENT-ISSUED I.D.

THESE ARE THE THINGS I WOULD
TRY TO GET OUT IN SUBSERVICE

ANNOUNCEMENTS TO MAKE SURE YOU
HAVE YOUR I.D., GO GET A STATE

GOVERNMENT I.D. WITH NO
PRIVILEGES FOR $20, AND IF

NOT, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME
FUNDS TO PAY FOR THAT.

AS I HAD IN THE BILL OF MY
SECURE ELECTION ACT FOR

ANYBODY WHO CAN AFFORD AN I.D.
SO ANYWAY, IT WOULD BE THE

FRAUDULENT VOTER.
THAT WOULD BE THE ONE FOR ME.

>> Dorothy Moon: COULD I
RESPOND?

>> Melissa Davlin: WE NEED TO
MOVE ON.

THE NEXT QUESTION IS FROM
BETSY.

>> Betsy Russell: THIS
QUESTION IS ABOUT THE LAND

BOARD.
WE WANT TO SQUEEZE IT IN.

THE LAND BOARD ON WHICH THE
SECRETARY OF STATE SERVES IS

CHARGED BY THE IDAHO
CONSTITUTION WITH MANAGING THE

STATE ENDOWMENT FOR MAXIMUM
LONG-TERM RETURNS TO THE EBEN

FISHERIES, THE LARGEST OF
WHICH IS IDAHO'S PUBLIC

SCHOOLS.
CLERK MCGRANE, HOW COULD YOU

THINK THE BOARD CAN BEST
ACCOMPLISH THAT AND WHAT IF

ANYTHING WOULD YOU CHANGE IN
THE CURRENT DIRECTION?

>> Phil McGrane: THANK YOU.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TALK

ABOUT OUR LANDS.
SO MANY PEOPLE MOVE HERE

BECAUSE OF THE VALUE OF OUR
LANDS AND THE RESOURCES.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PUBLIC
EDUCATION THIS ENDOWMENT THAT

WE CAN PROVIDE THESE TOOLS AND
THE FUNDING THAT YOU

MENTIONED.
ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS THAT

I BRING TO THE LAND BOARD IS
I'M CURRENTLY THE ONLY TURN

RUNNING FOR A LAND BOARD
POSITION NOT RUNNING FOR

ATTORNEY GENERAL.
AND I HAVE THE RELATIONSHIPS

NECESSARY TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN
THIS ROLE.

I'M PROUD TO HAVE THE SUPPORT
OF THESE ASSOCIATED LOGGING

CONTRACTORS, THE CATTLE
ASSOCIATION, THE GRAIN

PRODUCERS, AND ALL THE PEOPLE
WHO WORK HARD USING OUR LAND

IN THIS STATE.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE

THOSE RELATIONSHIPS SO WE CAN
MAXIMIZE THE VALUE.

THE LAND BOARD IS FACING SOME
TOUGH DECISIONS.

AS MORE AND MORE PEOPLE MOVE
TO IDAHO, WE'VE ALL

EXPERIENCED AND SEEN THE RISE
IN PROPERTY VALUES.

AND NOW WE HAVE THE CHALLENGE
WHERE SOMETIMES THE SOIL IS

WORTH MORE THAN THE RESOURCES
THAT ARE GROWING ON TOP OF

THEM.
TIMBER HAS BEEN AN IMPORTANT

PART OF OUR USE OF OUR LANDS,
AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE

CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT, BUT
ALSO LOOK AT THIS LONG-TERM

INVESTMENT.
I HAVE KIDS IN PUBLIC

EDUCATION RIGHT NOW.
AND I WANT TO ENSURE THAT NOT

JUST THEY BENEFIT FROM IT, BUT
HOPEFULLY SOME DAY IN THE

FUTURE, MY GRANDKIDS AND GREAT
GRANDKIDS WILL BE

BENEFICIARIES OF OUR PUBLIC
EDUCATION SYSTEM, AND HAVE

ACCESS TO THE LANDS THAT SO
MANY OF US ENJOY.

>> Betsy Russell: REPRESENTATI
VE MOON, SAME QUESTION.

WOULD YOU STICK WITH THE
DIRECTION THE LAND BOARD HAS

BEEN GOING TO MAXIMIZE THE
LONG-TERM RETURNS, OR WHAT

WOULD YOU CHANGE?
>> Dorothy Moon: I'D GIVE THEM

A LITTLE GUIDANCE.
I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN LANDS

FOR DECADES NOW.
AS -- WITH MY MASTER'S IN

RESOURCE PLANNING AND LIVING
AMONGST THE FIRES, AND AMONGST

THE WILDLIFE, AND SEEING ALL
THE DAMAGE THAT'S BEEN DONE

BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET ANY FUELS
REDUCTION PROGRAMS DONE IN

THAT -- ESPECIALLY IN THE
SALMON CHALICE, I THINK ONE OF

THE MOST EXCITING THINGS WITH
THE LAND BOARD AND WORKING

WITH THE DIRECTOR OF THE IDAHO
DEPARTMENT OF LANDS IS THE

GOOD NEIGHBOR AUTHORITY.
YES, WE DO HARVEST TIMBER ON

OUR ENDOWMENT LANDS FOR OUR
SCHOOLS.

THAT'S A GIVEN.
BUT NOW SINCE 2015, THE GOOD

NEIGHBOR AUTHORITY CAME INTO
THIS STATE AND WOULD ALLOW US

THE STATE TO GO INTO THE
FEDERL LANDINGS AND ACTUALLY

SURVEY, CRUISE IT, MARKET IT
AND AUCTION IT OFF.

THE STATE WOULD GET THE
PROCEEDS FROM THOSE FUNDS.

WHICH IS EXCITING, BECAUSE
THEN WE CAN GO ON AND KEEP

CLEANING UP THE FOREST BECAUSE
THE POOR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS

TIED UP IN LEGISLATION AND LAW
SUITS SO OFTEN THEY CAN'T DO

THE REAL CHARGE.
IT WOULD BE NICE, THOUGH, IF

THE IDAHO DEPARTMENT OF LANDS
COULD BE FUNDED MORE SO FROM

THE RESOURCES THAN THEY
CURRENTLY ARE.

BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER WITH
THE FOREST SERVICE, BACK IN

THE '70s, BEFORE
ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS CAME

DOWN, THE FOREST SERVICE WAS
SELF-SUSTAINING FOR MINING

PERMITS, FROM LOGGING PERMITS,
FROM WOOD CUTTING PERMITS, AND

IT WAS ALL TAKEN CARE OF.
BUT NOW WE'RE ALWAYS TAPPING

INTO GENERAL FUNDS, WE'RE
GETTING INTO MONEY WE DON'T

NEED TO BE GETTING INTO.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE

LAND BOARD IS SELF-SUSTAINING
OFF THE RESOURCES WE USE TO

MANAGE THE LANDS.
>> Betsy Russell: SENATOR

SOUZA, WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE
ABOUT THE DIRECTION THE LAND

BOARD HAS TAKEN.
>> Mary Souza: THANK YOU,

BETSY.
I'M VERY SURPRISED TO HEAR

REPRESENTATIVE MOON'S ANSWER.
BECAUSE WE HAVE LOST HERE IN

IDAHO, WE HAVE LOST 40% OF OUR
FOREST FIREFIGHTERS, AND --

BECAUSE OUR PAY LEVEL IS LESS
THAN A FAST FOOD BURGER

FLIPPER.
AND THEY HAVE GONE TO OTHER

STATES OR TO FEDERAL SYSTEMS.
IN THE PAST, THIS PAST

LEGISLATIVE SESSION, IDAHO
DEPARTMENT OF LANDS, THEIR

BUDGET BILL CAME THROUGH WITH
A SLIGHT INCREASE IN BASE PAY

FOR THE WILDLAND FIREFIGHTERS,
UP TO $15 AN HOUR.

AND SEPARATE BILL CAME THROUGH
FOR HAZARD PAY FOR THOSE

FOREST FIREFIGHTERS, BECAUSE
THAT IS WHAT ALL OF OUR

SURROUNDING STATES AND THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ARE

OFFERING.
REPRESENTATIVE MOON VOTED NO

ON EACH OF THOSE BILLS.
I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE

REASONABLE WHEN WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AT

RISK ON THE FIRE LINES.
WE NEED TO PROTECT THEM AND WE

NEED TO PROTECT OUR FOREST,
WHICH GIVE US THE RESOURCES

AND THE GOOD NEIGHBOR
AUTHORITY IS GREAT.

BUT NONE OF THE SALES OF THAT
TIMBER GO INTO OUR ENDOWMENT.

AND IDAHO DEPARTMENT OF LANDS
TOLD ME THAT THEMSELVES.

SO WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE THE
ENDOWMENT, AND WE USE IT FOR

OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, BUT
WE HAVE TO ALSO TAKE CARE OF

OUR GRAZING LAND AND ALL OF
THE OTHER ISSUES THAT COME

BEFORE THE LAND BOARD.
>> Melissa Davlin: WE'RE

ALMOST OUT OF TIME, BUT I'LL
GIVE YOU 20 SECONDS.

>> Dorothy Moon: I'VE GOT A
COMMENT THAT I DIDN'T VOTE FOR

IT.
NO, I DIDN'T.

ONE BUCKET IS CALLED GENERAL
FUNDS AND THE OTHER BUCKET OF

MONEY IS THE FIGHTING FUNDS
ASSESSMENT THAT EVERY PERSON

WHO LIVES NEAR THE FOREST, BE
IT BOISE, CHALICE, WE GET

STUCK WITH THE FEE.
I PAY $55 A YEAR EVERY YEAR TO

GO TOWARD FUEL SUPPRESSION AND
OTHER THINGS THEY'RE PUTTING

OUT FOREST FIRES.
THE FACT OF THE MATT

HASSELBECK IS, THAT MONEY WAS
$9 MILLION THAT WENT TO THE

IDAHO DEPARTMENT OF LANDS,
THEY CAN USE THAT MONEY TO PAY

EXTRA MONEY TO FIREFIGHTERS.
IT SHOULD NOT BE COMING OUT OF

STATE GENERAL FUNDS.
>> Melissa Davlin: VERY TO

LEAVE IT THERE BECAUSE WE'RE
ALMOST OUT OF TIME.

>> MAXIMUM OF $400,000 --
>> Melissa Davlin: THANK YOU.

THE LAST QUESTION IS FROM
KELCIE, AND YOU'LL EACH HAVE

45 SECONDS TO ANSWER.
>> Kelcie Moseley-Morris: THE

SECRETARY OF STATE IS ALSO
RESPONSIBLE FOR PUBLICLY

TRACKING ELECTED OFFICIALS,
CAMPAIGN DONATIONS.

BUT THEY'VE ALSO BEEN
CRITICIZED AS BEING TOOTHLESS

WITH LOW PENALTIES FOR
VIOLATIONS.

SHOULD THE ENFORCEMENT
MECHANISM FOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE

LAW BE STRONGER?
FIRST ANSWER TO SENATOR SOUZA.

>> Mary Souza: THANK YOU,
KELCIE.

I WILL PLAN, AS SECRETARY OF
STATE, TO SIT DOWN WITH ALL

INTERESTED PARTIES AND REVIEW
OUR SUNSHINE CAMPAIGN

DONATIONS LAWS.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN --

THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES HERE
AND THERE IN THE LAWS, BUT

NOTHING CONSISTENT ACROSS THE
BOARD.

AND SO I THINK WE HAVE A BUMPY
RIDE.

I'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF
COMPLAINTS AS I'VE BEEN AROUND

THIS STATE.
THERE ARE SOME GROUPS THAT ARE

CLAIMING THAT THEY ARE HAVING
A RAFFLE, THEY'VE BEEN HAVING

A RAFFLE FOR A T-SHIRT OR HAT,
AND PEOPLE PUT $5 IN FOR A

TICKET, AND THEY ARE TOLD BY
THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S

OFFICE THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE
EVERYBODY'S NAME, ADDRESS, ALL

OF THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION
FOR THAT $5 DONATION.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A
CONSISTENT, AND WE HAVE TO SIT

DOWN AND WORK OUT SOMETHING
THAT HAS COMMON SENSE AND WORK

FOR IDAHO.
>> Dorothy Moon: THE DARK

MONEY IS A CONCERN OF MINE,
AND I'M SURE FOR EVERYBODY IN

THIS ROOM.
BUT THE DARK MONEY IS A BIG

CONCERN, OUT OF STATE
INFLUENCE COMING IN OUR

DIRECTION, THE FACT OF THE
MATTER IS THERE'S A LOT OF

PACS THAT POP UP, THERE WILL
BE ONE GROUP THAT MAKES

MULTIPLE PACs.
I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT

THIS AS FAR AS THIS HIDDEN
MONEY THAT KEEPS MAKING ITS

WAY TO CANDIDATES, FOR
DIFFERENT GROUPS.

OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THE
REPORTING, THE MONTHLY

REPORTING ESPECIALLY NOW
THEY'VE GOT THE COMPUTER

PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING, AS
MANY OF YOU KNOW, YOU TRIED TO

LOOK BACK IN DECEMBER AND
NOVEMBER, IT WAS VERY

DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE THE
SECRETARY OF STATE'S WEBSITE.

THANKFULLY IT IS UP AND
RUNNING AND IT'S PRETTY EASY

TO NAVIGATE.
WE DO NEED TO WORK ON THE

REPORT, THERE'S SOME THINGS
THAT NEED TO BE WORKED ON.

>> Phil McGrane: I'M PROUD TO
HAVE WORKED ON THIS ISSUE AND

TRIED TO INCREASE TRANSPARENCY
IN GOVERNMENT HERE IN IDAHO.

SPECIFICALLY ON CAMPAIGN
FINANCE LAWS.

I WORK CLOSELY WITH THE
INTERIM COMMITTEE ON CAMPAIGN

FINANCE REFORM, FOUR YEARS AGO
TO IMPROVE OUR SYSTEM.

IT USED TO BE IN IDAHO THAT
THERE WERE 79 DIFFERENT

ENTITIES IN WHICH PEOPLE WOULD
REPORT PUBLIC CAMPAIGN FINANCE

INFORMATION.
IT WAS INACCESSIBLE.

EVEN THE LEGALLY REPORTED
INFORMATION WAS DIFFICULT TO

FIND OUT WHO WAS GIVING TO
WHOM, WHERE THE MONEY WAS

GOING.
WE CONSOLIDATED ALL OF THAT

INTO THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S
OFFICE IN ONE SOURCE.

SO ANYONE CAN LOOK AT THAT
INFORMATION.

WE CONTINUE TO NEED TO
IMPROVE.

I AGREE GREATER TRANSPARENCY
IS IMPORTANT.

THAT INCLUDES THE MONTHLY
REPORTING THAT WE HAVE.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED
TO DO IS MAKE IT EASIER FOR

CANDIDATES TO COMPLY.
IF WE CAN IMPROVE OUR LAWS TO

MAKE THEM SIMPLER FOR PEOPLE
TO COMPLY WE CAN BEGIN TO

BETTER ENFORCE OUR LAWS TO
HOLD THOSE TRYING TO INFLUENCE

OUR POLITICIANS ACCOUNTABLE.
>> Melissa Davlin: IT IS TIME

FOR CLOSING STATEMENTS AND
CLERK MCGRANE YOU'RE UP FIRST.

>> Phil McGrane: THANK YOU,
AND THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO

WORKED TO PUT THIS ON.
IF THERE'S ONE THING THAT

STANDS OUT IS JUST THANK YOU
TO YOU AS A VIEWER FOR

WATCHING AND BEING INFORMED
AND ENGAGED.

OUR REPUBLIC DEPENDS ON PEOPLE
LIKE YOU.

AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU
TAKE AWAY, PLEASE VOTE.

THE ELECTION IS ON MAY 17th.
AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT

ELECTION FOR OUR STATE.
AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT

IDAHOANS COME OUT AND VOTE IN
OUR PRIMARY.

SO MANY RACES WILL BE
DETERMINED HERE.

I HOPE THAT IT HAS STOOD OUT.
I'VE SPENT MY ENTIRE CAREER

WORKING ON ELECTIONS AND
MAKING SURE IDAHO'S ELECTIONS

STAND OUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND I WILL CONTINUE AS

SECRETARY OF STATE TO FIGHT TO
PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF OUR

ELECTIONS GOING FORWARD, AND
WILL BUILD ON OUR SYSTEM.

AS I MENTIONED IN THE
BEGINNING, I'M PROUD TO BE AN

IDAHOAN, I'M PROUD OF THE
VALUES I WAS RAISED ON, AND I

WANT MY KIDS TO BE JUST AS
BLESSED AS I HAVE.

I'M PHIL McGRANE, AND I'M
RUNNING TO BE YOUR NEXT

REPUBLICAN SECRETARY OF STATE.
>> Melissa Davlin: SENATOR

SOUTH.
>> Mary Souza: THANK YOU,

MELISSA.
THANK YOU TO ALL WHO HAVE

ORGANIZED THIS EVENING.
THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION AND MY

MEMBERSHIP IN THE -- ON THE
SELECTION PROJECT HAS BROUGHT

ME CLOSE TO THESE PEOPLE.
THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION DID A

REVIEW, AN ELECTION INTEGRITY
SCORE CARD FOR EVERY STATE.

IDAHO IS RANKED 38th OUT OF
50.

WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO IN
IDAHO TO SECURE OUR ELECTIONS.

BUT IT'S A BIT LIKE GOING OUT
TO GET IN YOUR CAR IN THE

MORNING AND YOU REALIZE YOU'VE
LEFT THE GARAGE DOOR OPEN.

YOU LOOK AROUND, YOU CHECK
EVERYTHING, IT LOOKS OKAY.

AND YOU FEEL RELIEVED.
BUT YOU KNOW THE NEIGHBOR DOWN

THE STREET AND OTHER PEOPLE IN
PROBLEMS WITH THEFT AND

DAMAGE.
SO YOU -- DO YOU LEAVE THE

DOOR OPEN THE NEXT NIGHT?
OF COURSE NOT.

YOU CLOSE IT.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE THE

OPPORTUNITY TO DO HERE IN
IDAHO.

BECAUSE OF MY BACKGROUND ON
THE HONEST SELECTION PROJECT,

AND THE INFORMATION FROM THE
HERITAGE FOUNDATION, WE KNOW

WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SECURE
OUR ELECTIONS IN IDAHO.

I HAVE A LIST, I'M WILLING TO
DO IT.

WE HAVE TO SECURE OUR VOTE
BECAUSE IT IS THE BASIS OF ALL

OF OUR FREEDOMS.
I'M SENATOR MARY SOUZA RUNNING

FOR SECRETARY OF STATE, AND I
WILL SECURE THE ELECTION

SYSTEM AND PROTECT YOUR VOTE.
>> Melissa Davlin: THANK YOU,

SENATORS.
>> Dorothy Moon: THANK YOU FOR

PUTTING THIS FORUM ON, IT'S
BEEN ENJOYABLE.

I'M AGAIN DOROTHY MOON, AND I
DO WANT TO BE YOUR NEXT

SECRETARY OF STATE.
I KNOW OUTSIDE INFLUENCES COME

INTO THIS STATE, THE GOOD
SENATOR HAS GONE AFTER THE

CLERK ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS
ABOUT TAKING ZUCKERBERG MONEY,

BUT SHE'S ALSO VOTED FOR A
METADATA CENTER, AND NOW

ZUCKERBERG WILL HAVE A
PERMANENT FOOTPRINT.

HE'S HERE, BUT THE SAD PART
IS, AS A RESOURCE PERSON THAT

DATA CENTER IS GOING TO TAKE
70,000 GALLONS OF WATER FROM

OUR AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY.
WE'VE GOT TO BE VERY WISE WHEN

WE MAKE SLOATS.
I DIDN'T VOTE FOR IT, SHE DID.

AGAIN, MR. MCGRANE TOOK THE
ZUCKERBERG MONEY.

WE NEED SOMEONE WHO CAN LOOK
DEEPER INTO A BILL AND ALSO

LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE.
AND THE BIG PICTURE IDAHO

WANTS TO REMAIN IDAHO.
WE WANT TO KEEP OUR RURAL

VALUES.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE BIG

GLOBALIST TECH COMPANIES
COMING IN TO THIS STATE.

AT LEAST NOT FROM THE PEOPLE I
HEAR FROM.

I WOULD DEFINITELY WORK TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE SHORE UP OUR

ELECTIONS AND THAT WE HAVE
FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS IN OUR

REPUBLIC WILL BE SALVAGED
BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DO THE

RIGHT THING HERE IN ISES AND
I'M DOROTHY MOON RUNNING FOR

SECRETARY OF STATE.
>> Melissa Davlin: THAT'S ALL

THE TIME WE HAVE.
THANK YOU FOR WATCHING, WE'LL

SEE YOU AT THE POLLS.

 

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