WEBVTT 00:01.668 --> 00:02.803 - Hi, thanks for joining us for The Family Plot: 00:02.803 --> 00:04.171 Gardening in the Mid-South. 00:04.171 --> 00:05.339 I'm Chris Cooper. 00:05.339 --> 00:06.840  The growing season is over. 00:06.840 --> 00:09.009  But today we are going to   talk about some great shrub 00:09.009 --> 00:10.711  and flower options   you can try out. 00:10.711 --> 00:13.313  Also, fruit trees are   losing their leaves 00:13.313 --> 00:15.048  but there are some   things you can do 00:15.048 --> 00:16.950  to prepare them for next year. 00:16.950 --> 00:18.685  That's just ahead   on The Family Plot: 00:18.685 --> 00:20.153  Gardening in the Mid-South. 00:20.153 --> 00:22.589  - (female announcer)   Production funding for 00:22.589 --> 00:25.959  The Family Plot: Gardening   in the Mid-South is provided by: 00:25.959 --> 00:27.794  the WKNO Production Fund, 00:27.794 --> 00:30.130  the WKNO Endowment Fund, 00:30.130 --> 00:32.165  and by viewers like you. 00:32.165 --> 00:33.500  Thank you. 00:33.500 --> 00:36.069 [cheerful country music] 00:43.944 --> 00:46.013 - Welcome to the Family Plot, I'm Chris Cooper. 00:46.013 --> 00:47.848 Joining me today is Joellen Dimond. 00:47.848 --> 00:50.617 Miss Joellen is a TSU Extension Agent in Tipton County, 00:50.617 --> 00:52.019 and Mr. D. is here. 00:52.019 --> 00:52.853 - Howdy. 00:52.853 --> 00:53.687 - Thanks for joining us. 00:53.687 --> 00:54.955 - Good to be here. 00:54.955 --> 00:57.591 - Hi Miss Joellen, let's talk about some shrubs 00:57.591 --> 00:58.926 that folks should try out. 00:58.926 --> 01:00.294 - Yeah. 01:00.294 --> 01:01.228 - So let's start out with viburnum. 01:01.228 --> 01:02.462 - Viburnums. 01:02.462 --> 01:03.397 - I know you like viburnums. 01:03.397 --> 01:04.865 - Yeah, I like viburnums. 01:04.865 --> 01:07.034 And viburnums are actually a fairly common shrub. 01:07.034 --> 01:08.302 - (Chris) Okay. 01:08.302 --> 01:09.436 - But a lot of people don't know about them. 01:09.436 --> 01:12.239  The reason that they're   not more popular 01:12.239 --> 01:15.108  is because most of   them are very large. 01:15.108 --> 01:16.410 - (Chris) Okay. 01:16.410 --> 01:17.678 [laughs] 01:17.678 --> 01:19.146 - And so it's kind of hard to put, you know, 01:19.146 --> 01:21.181 people want foundation plants and things that are small, 01:21.181 --> 01:24.718 well, but sometimes it takes a large shrub, you know, 01:24.718 --> 01:26.954 in the back corner of your lot or somewhere. 01:26.954 --> 01:30.724 And viburnums would be an excellent edition. 01:30.724 --> 01:32.626 They are all different kinds. 01:32.626 --> 01:35.662 There's one thing that is true about viburnums 01:35.662 --> 01:38.532 is that they're not all alike. 01:38.532 --> 01:40.400 As related as they are, 01:40.400 --> 01:42.736 they can be trees, shrubs. 01:42.736 --> 01:44.571 They can be evergreen. 01:45.973 --> 01:48.742 They can be semi-evergreen. 01:48.742 --> 01:49.810 - (Chris) My goodness. 01:49.810 --> 01:51.078 - They could be deciduous. 01:51.078 --> 01:52.512 - Look at Mr. D. 01:52.512 --> 01:53.513 He's like, wow. 01:53.513 --> 01:55.349 I'm with ya on that, Mr. D. 01:55.349 --> 01:57.384 - They can be large, up to 60 feet tall. 01:57.384 --> 01:59.319 They can be short to three feet. 01:59.319 --> 02:00.420 - Oh, okay. 02:00.420 --> 02:01.355 - So, I mean. 02:01.355 --> 02:02.622 - (Chris) That's quite a range. 02:02.622 --> 02:04.358 - So there's a huge range of viburnums. 02:04.358 --> 02:07.194 So consequently, there's probably one that will fit your 02:07.194 --> 02:09.529 situation no matter what you're looking for. 02:09.529 --> 02:11.098 We'll talk about a few of 'em. 02:11.098 --> 02:12.599 - (Chris) Okay. 02:12.599 --> 02:15.569 - But first, the things that they have in common. 02:15.569 --> 02:18.138 They all have white or pink flowers 02:18.138 --> 02:19.573 and they bloom in the spring. 02:19.573 --> 02:21.274 - (Chris) Okay. 02:21.274 --> 02:25.278 - They all have red fruit that turns to purple 02:25.278 --> 02:27.314 if the birds don't eat it first 02:27.314 --> 02:30.550 so it's a good shrub for birds if you want to feed birds. 02:30.550 --> 02:32.386 So it's good for that. 02:33.553 --> 02:35.922 Some of the smaller varieties, though, 02:35.922 --> 02:39.192 don't always have berries and flowers. 02:39.192 --> 02:41.228 - (Chris) Okay. 02:41.228 --> 02:44.865 - I don't know exactly why but sometimes it's not reliable 02:44.865 --> 02:48.468 for flowering and berries on some of the smaller varieties. 02:48.468 --> 02:49.569 - (Chris) Okay. 02:49.569 --> 02:50.937 - They like full sun. 02:50.937 --> 02:52.205 They like light shade. 02:52.205 --> 02:54.674 And they can grow in some pretty dark shade 02:54.674 --> 02:56.843 but they probably won't bloom 02:56.843 --> 02:59.546 and they probably won't have berries. 02:59.546 --> 03:00.614 - (Chris) Right. 03:00.614 --> 03:01.848 Makes sense. 03:01.848 --> 03:03.216 - And they won't grow a whole lot. 03:03.216 --> 03:04.851 So they won't get huge. 03:04.851 --> 03:05.686 - (Chris) Okay. 03:05.686 --> 03:06.620 - In shade. 03:08.188 --> 03:10.323 One of the best things about them though 03:10.323 --> 03:12.793 is they are very tolerant of soils in general. 03:12.793 --> 03:14.361 - Oh, that's a good thing. 03:14.361 --> 03:15.896 [laughs] 03:15.896 --> 03:18.331 - That's good for us here in the Mid-South because, 03:18.331 --> 03:21.935 you know, we don't have the greatest soils 03:21.935 --> 03:23.503 for air and water movement. 03:23.503 --> 03:24.704 - (Chris) Okay. 03:24.704 --> 03:26.273 - 'Cause it's such a tight soil. 03:26.273 --> 03:29.576 But one thing they don't like is wet feet. 03:29.576 --> 03:31.478 So they don't like the roots to stay wet. 03:31.478 --> 03:34.181 So you can't put 'em in an area that holds water. 03:34.181 --> 03:36.817 So if you have that problem you gotta raise 'em up 03:36.817 --> 03:38.418 'cause they don't wanna have wet feet. 03:38.418 --> 03:39.653 - (Chris) Okay. 03:39.653 --> 03:40.487 - But other than that they're not particular. 03:40.487 --> 03:42.122 [laughs] 03:42.122 --> 03:43.056 Which is really good. 03:43.056 --> 03:44.224 - You hear that Mr. D.? 03:44.224 --> 03:45.759 - Sound pretty temperamental to me. 03:45.759 --> 03:47.294 [laughs] 03:47.294 --> 03:49.062 I'll tell ya. 03:49.062 --> 03:51.465 - Well let's talk about some varieties. 03:51.465 --> 03:55.001 There's one called viburnum davidii, or David viburnum. 03:55.001 --> 03:56.503 It's the smallest one. 03:56.503 --> 03:57.838 It's about three feet tall. 03:57.838 --> 03:59.706 And it's fairly common. 03:59.706 --> 04:02.476 You see it at garden centers occasionally here and there. 04:02.476 --> 04:04.111 - (Chris) Okay. 04:04.111 --> 04:07.380 - And it will be good for a foundation plant 04:07.380 --> 04:09.116 because it doesn't get very big. 04:09.116 --> 04:10.217 - (Mr. D.) Mhmm. 04:10.217 --> 04:11.485 - Well, 04:11.485 --> 04:12.319 - Evergreen? 04:12.319 --> 04:13.854 - It's evergreen, yeah. 04:13.854 --> 04:15.489 That one is evergreen. 04:15.489 --> 04:18.458 The next one I'm gonna talk about the viburnum carlesii 04:18.458 --> 04:20.961 was the first viburnum I fell in love with. 04:20.961 --> 04:23.196 But it is deciduous. 04:23.196 --> 04:24.431 - (Mr. D.) Ah-hah. 04:24.431 --> 04:25.966 - It loses its leaves. 04:25.966 --> 04:27.400 But look at all you get. 04:27.400 --> 04:29.102 Besides the wood in the winter, which is interesting, 04:29.102 --> 04:30.537  and it is a fairly large shrub. 04:30.537 --> 04:32.472  We're talking maybe up   to eight feet or so, 04:32.472 --> 04:34.808  so it's a big sized shrub, 04:34.808 --> 04:38.979  but in the spring it blooms   and it has round spheres 04:40.413 --> 04:44.351  of blooms that are white   and pinkish and fragrant. 04:45.685 --> 04:47.187 - (Chris) Ah-hah. 04:47.187 --> 04:49.489 - So can you imagine that large shrub with fragrance? 04:49.489 --> 04:51.892 And you can smell it a ways away. 04:51.892 --> 04:54.628 So that's why I had fallen in love with it. 04:54.628 --> 04:58.365 And it has gorgeous green foliage in the summer time 04:58.365 --> 05:01.501 and in the fall it has nice fall color. 05:01.501 --> 05:05.238 So I mean it really is a very versatile plant 05:05.238 --> 05:08.575 but it's big and it likes sun so you gotta give it some sun 05:08.575 --> 05:10.544 for all that nice wonderful blooms. 05:10.544 --> 05:12.112 - Makes sense. 05:12.112 --> 05:13.313 - So, that's one. 05:13.313 --> 05:15.315 And then there's one 05:15.315 --> 05:18.552 that is also grown for its bloom and its fruiting. 05:18.552 --> 05:20.654 It's the doublefile viburnum. 05:20.654 --> 05:22.289 - (Chris) I've seen those. 05:22.289 --> 05:24.424 - Viburnum, plicatum tomentosum. 05:24.424 --> 05:28.495  And it's got horizontal   branching and the flowers 05:28.495 --> 05:30.330  stand up on the   long top of the stems. 05:30.330 --> 05:32.666  They're lace-caps on   the top of the stem. 05:32.666 --> 05:35.235 And then those turn into red berries. 05:35.235 --> 05:39.573 And so they're very, very pretty and very popular. 05:39.573 --> 05:43.276 They are large too, so, I mean, you're gonna give them 05:43.276 --> 05:47.447 about eight, ten feet, so these are not small shrubs. 05:48.882 --> 05:52.719 And then there is the one viburnum and is the hybrid, 05:53.753 --> 05:56.089 viburnum rhytidophylloides. 05:56.089 --> 05:57.891 It's a leatherleaf viburnum 05:57.891 --> 06:01.695 and that's what I have in my yard, which is this one here. 06:01.695 --> 06:05.332 And as you can see, it's like a leather leaf. 06:05.332 --> 06:07.267 It's very substantial. 06:07.267 --> 06:09.703 And this particular one blooms 06:09.703 --> 06:11.938  pretty white blooms   in the spring. 06:11.938 --> 06:14.708  And then it's semi-deciduous,. 06:14.708 --> 06:18.612  So what it is the leaves   will turn purple color 06:20.447 --> 06:22.215  and they'll kind of cling 06:22.215 --> 06:24.985 and unless it gets really, really cold 06:24.985 --> 06:27.554 and then sometimes some of 'em will fall off 06:27.554 --> 06:29.556 but it'll still have some clinging to it 06:29.556 --> 06:33.493 and, you know, you can see in ice storms and stuff 06:33.493 --> 06:36.730 the leaves are still there and growing. 06:38.698 --> 06:41.401 - I don't see any sign of insect or disease. 06:41.401 --> 06:45.572 - This is, I have never had any problem with this viburnum. 06:45.572 --> 06:49.009 I don't know of any problems they have other than 06:49.009 --> 06:51.511 keeping their roots dry. 06:51.511 --> 06:53.747 'Cause you know, they don't like wet feet. 06:53.747 --> 06:55.348 - (Mr. D.) Sure. 06:55.348 --> 06:57.484 - So, other than that, I haven't seen no problems with these 06:57.484 --> 06:59.252 which I don't understand why they're not so popular. 06:59.252 --> 07:00.820 But, you know. 07:00.820 --> 07:02.122 - (Mr. D.) Almost looks like 07:02.122 --> 07:03.323 a little tobacco plant. [laughs] 07:03.323 --> 07:04.624 - The leaves do look alike. 07:04.624 --> 07:06.259 - Well if you feel it, they're real leather 07:06.259 --> 07:08.695 and across there's little spines on these too. 07:08.695 --> 07:11.531 - That may be why insects don't bother it. 07:11.531 --> 07:14.000 - Maybe that and, you know, I don't think deer eat 07:14.000 --> 07:17.203 this particular one because it's just so spiney. 07:17.203 --> 07:19.572 And if you handle it. 07:19.572 --> 07:22.008 - Joellen, you mentioned earlier about if you handle it, 07:22.008 --> 07:23.076 - If you handle it you gotta, 07:23.076 --> 07:25.979 you don't want to rub your eyes 07:25.979 --> 07:30.150 because these little, everything they have on 'em is just 07:31.351 --> 07:34.120 real fuzzy and they can be sharp and irritating 07:34.120 --> 07:36.623 but it's a beautiful plant. 07:36.623 --> 07:38.325 It grows, it's nice stiff, 07:38.325 --> 07:40.460 the large leaves make a nice texture difference 07:40.460 --> 07:41.561 in the landscape 07:41.561 --> 07:43.296 and I really like it. 07:43.296 --> 07:46.166 - So Joellen, let's talk about asters. 07:46.166 --> 07:47.000 - Asters. 07:47.000 --> 07:47.934 - Yeah. 07:47.934 --> 07:49.469 - The large family of asters 07:49.469 --> 07:51.905 and not only in the United States but across Eurasia 07:51.905 --> 07:55.141 and Europe, so it's a large family. 07:55.141 --> 07:59.312 They have done a lot of scientific research on asters 08:00.580 --> 08:01.981 because they are so popular. 08:01.981 --> 08:05.352 And they have found out that they are different 08:05.352 --> 08:09.522 so they've, the botanists have reclassified the asters 08:10.924 --> 08:14.828 and grouped them into the kinds of scientifically DNA tested 08:14.828 --> 08:17.864 ones that are more related to each other. 08:17.864 --> 08:20.367 And so that's made it even more, you know, 08:20.367 --> 08:22.035 confusing for you. 08:22.035 --> 08:26.206 But most of the popular ones you see in garden centers today 08:28.742 --> 08:32.912 are a certain type called Symphyotrichum novi-belgii 08:34.714 --> 08:35.949 And I think that. 08:35.949 --> 08:37.751 - (Chris) Wow, that's a mouthful. 08:37.751 --> 08:40.186 - It's a huge mouthful, but it's an aster that has been, 08:40.186 --> 08:42.188  they've taken some   of the European 08:42.188 --> 08:43.623  and some of the American asters 08:43.623 --> 08:47.660  and they've hybridized   them and that's what you see 08:47.660 --> 08:49.362  mostly in the garden centers. 08:49.362 --> 08:50.930  And they're beautiful. 08:50.930 --> 08:53.266  And the pictures that   you have of asters 08:53.266 --> 08:57.103 don't do them justice because they come in ranges of white, 08:57.103 --> 09:01.241 there's a creamy yellow, and then all of the colors 09:01.241 --> 09:05.745 of blues, purples, pinks, magenta, that you can think of 09:05.745 --> 09:09.816 and they're just very vibrant because they are blooming 09:09.816 --> 09:11.684 in the fall, this time of year. 09:11.684 --> 09:15.922 And I've had mine bloom clear up until December. 09:15.922 --> 09:17.690 - (Chris) Wow. 09:17.690 --> 09:19.426 - It just depends on the weather. 09:19.426 --> 09:20.660 - (Chris) Okay. 09:20.660 --> 09:23.663 - But they are very good in the wild. 09:25.031 --> 09:29.803 You can find seed catalogs that have native asters in them 09:29.803 --> 09:31.604 that you can, course they're not gonna be called, 09:31.604 --> 09:33.740 they may be called asters, but they are going to be 09:33.740 --> 09:37.343 of one of these different, you know, classifications 09:37.343 --> 09:39.946 of genuses now, but they are asters. 09:39.946 --> 09:42.315 In fact if you take a walk out in the woods 09:42.315 --> 09:44.951  and you see something blooming   this time of year, usually 09:44.951 --> 09:47.654  white, sometimes a   little bit on the lavender side, 09:47.654 --> 09:49.856  it's going to be an aster. 09:49.856 --> 09:51.291  - (Chris)   Hmm, okay. 09:51.291 --> 09:54.661 What kind of conditions do they best grow in? 09:54.661 --> 09:56.996 - They, of course, like a lot of sun. 09:56.996 --> 09:58.498 - (Chris) Mhmm. 09:58.498 --> 10:01.034 - But they can take some partly sunny, partly shady, areas. 10:01.034 --> 10:03.303 But they won't bloom as much and they'll get long 10:03.303 --> 10:04.771 and leggy and fall over. 10:04.771 --> 10:06.005 'Cause they like sun. 10:06.005 --> 10:07.507 Asters like to be in the sun. 10:07.507 --> 10:12.278 They like well-drained soil and that's a little bit 10:12.278 --> 10:15.348 of the problem we have here, you gotta make sure, you know, 10:15.348 --> 10:17.517 I've bought 'em, and I've planted 'em. 10:17.517 --> 10:19.052 I've kept 'em for years. 10:19.052 --> 10:20.687 But they do like to have well drained soil. 10:20.687 --> 10:23.223 - Okay, yeah usually when I think about asters 10:23.223 --> 10:26.426 I think about the weed aster that I have in my Burmuda lawn. 10:26.426 --> 10:29.696 - Yeah, well, but he's native. 10:29.696 --> 10:31.197 - Native, okay. 10:31.197 --> 10:32.465 - It's a wild. 10:32.465 --> 10:33.533 - Then I should let him stay. 10:33.533 --> 10:35.101 - You can let him stay. 10:35.101 --> 10:36.035 It gives you some color. 10:36.035 --> 10:37.537 - Get some color Mr. D. 10:37.537 --> 10:39.072 [laughs] 10:39.072 --> 10:40.373 - There ya go. 10:40.373 --> 10:42.041 - Back off that lawn mower. 10:42.041 --> 10:43.977 - The bees will come and visit it 10:43.977 --> 10:48.414 and anyway, the one that I have that seems to do very well 10:48.414 --> 10:50.984 in the Mid-South is the fragrant aster 10:50.984 --> 10:53.052 and that's this one here. 10:54.521 --> 10:58.124 And it's a blue color and it's got a woody stem 10:58.124 --> 11:01.961 as you can see and what happens when you crush the leaves 11:01.961 --> 11:06.199 there's an aroma to them and that's where it gets its name. 11:06.199 --> 11:07.500 - (Chris) Okay. 11:07.500 --> 11:11.437 - And you can see some of these with the yellow 11:13.006 --> 11:16.276 parts, the yellow centers, they are the newer ones. 11:16.276 --> 11:18.444 Those are the ones the bees go to. 11:18.444 --> 11:19.546 - (Chris) Hmm. 11:19.546 --> 11:20.780 - And then when they get older 11:20.780 --> 11:22.215 they turn kind of a purple inside. 11:22.215 --> 11:23.983 - (Chris) Those are pretty. 11:23.983 --> 11:26.419 - And they're, but it's a real pretty, pretty blue. 11:26.419 --> 11:31.057 And there's lots of them out there and there all these 11:31.057 --> 11:34.427 asters are clump forming so when you divide them, 11:34.427 --> 11:37.163 probably divide them in the spring because they're blooming 11:37.163 --> 11:38.665 in the fall. 11:38.665 --> 11:40.867 You don't want to disturb them when they're blooming. 11:40.867 --> 11:42.402 And they will live for a long time 11:42.402 --> 11:43.903 and you can pass 'em along. 11:43.903 --> 11:45.772 - Alright well thanks. 11:45.772 --> 11:47.473 We appreciate that information. 11:47.473 --> 11:49.108 I think Mr. D. really likes that. 11:49.108 --> 11:50.376 Thank you much. 11:51.578 --> 11:52.946  There are a number   of gardening events 11:52.946 --> 11:54.981  going on in the next   couple of weeks. 11:54.981 --> 11:57.383  Here are just a few   that might interest you. 11:57.383 --> 11:59.986 [cheerful country music] 12:12.098 --> 12:13.333 Alright Mr. D. 12:13.333 --> 12:15.668 Fall fruit tree care, what do we need to know? 12:15.668 --> 12:20.306 - Well, probably one of the best things to do, you know, 12:20.306 --> 12:23.710 right now in the fall of the year is to clean up under 12:23.710 --> 12:25.278 your fruit trees. 12:25.278 --> 12:29.916 Get rid of any rotten fruit or mummified fruit 12:29.916 --> 12:34.087 and leaves, branches that could possibly be infected 12:35.455 --> 12:36.522 with diseases 12:39.559 --> 12:42.962 or if you had a problem with fire blight. 12:44.430 --> 12:47.467 We had a lot of fire blight pressure this year with all 12:47.467 --> 12:49.469 of the rain that we had. 12:49.469 --> 12:52.505 You wanna get all of those leaves and everything out of the 12:52.505 --> 12:55.174 orchard if you can or out from under the trees. 12:55.174 --> 12:57.477 And don't put it in your compost bin. 12:57.477 --> 13:01.948 I would get rid of it, either have a bonfire and burn it up 13:01.948 --> 13:05.952 if you can legally do that or bag it, double bag it, 13:05.952 --> 13:07.587 and put it in the garbage. 13:07.587 --> 13:09.288 But that's one of the best things 13:09.288 --> 13:11.190 that you can do right now. 13:11.190 --> 13:14.560 Another thing that very soon that you can do is start 13:14.560 --> 13:18.564 thinking about applying your dormant oil sprays, 13:20.266 --> 13:21.868 liquid lime sulfur, 13:23.569 --> 13:26.005 in some cases fixed copper. 13:26.005 --> 13:30.343 These are some applications that you can put out during 13:30.343 --> 13:34.881 the dormant period that will help control some of, 13:34.881 --> 13:38.051 you know, it's a preventative treatment for insects next 13:38.051 --> 13:41.654 year, insects some will over winter as eggs, 13:41.654 --> 13:45.291 or even sometimes adults in bark crevices 13:45.291 --> 13:46.826 and things like that. 13:46.826 --> 13:50.163 And these treatments will help take care 13:51.064 --> 13:53.433 of some of these problems. 13:53.433 --> 13:55.034 Let me kind of go down a list 13:55.034 --> 13:58.438 of what some of the products do, 13:58.438 --> 14:01.441 what some of the problems that they control. 14:01.441 --> 14:03.943 The dormant oil can be applied 14:04.977 --> 14:06.646 any time the trees are dormant 14:06.646 --> 14:11.584 when all the leaves are off November through, well, March. 14:11.584 --> 14:14.520 You definitely need to make sure you make at least one 14:14.520 --> 14:17.190 application just before bud break in the spring time though 14:17.190 --> 14:18.458 in late winter. 14:20.493 --> 14:22.562 Need to follow the label directions 14:22.562 --> 14:24.897 on temperature restrictions. 14:26.132 --> 14:30.002 Temperatures, if it's a real cold freeze coming 14:30.002 --> 14:32.238 that can create a problem. 14:32.238 --> 14:36.142 So you need to apply it when the temperatures, 14:36.142 --> 14:39.412 if you put it out when the temperatures are below 14:39.412 --> 14:41.581 35 degrees, you might damage the bark. 14:43.249 --> 14:46.152 But the dormant oil will control aphids, scales, 14:46.152 --> 14:49.589 spider mites, and many other insects by 14:49.589 --> 14:52.558 desicating or smothering the eggs and larva. 14:52.558 --> 14:54.494 So that's what your dormant oil will do. 14:54.494 --> 14:58.397 Lime sulfur is more for fungal disease 14:58.397 --> 14:59.966 and bacterial diseases. 14:59.966 --> 15:03.669 So if you've had a problem with fire blight, scab, 15:03.669 --> 15:05.571 bacterial blights, and anthracnose, 15:05.571 --> 15:08.875 lime sulfur is the product that you need to do 15:08.875 --> 15:12.745 and probably two or three applications over 15:12.745 --> 15:15.014 the winter time, early in the winter, middle of the winter, 15:15.014 --> 15:16.449 and then late winter. 15:16.449 --> 15:17.683 - (Chris) Okay. 15:17.683 --> 15:19.485 - Would be a good idea on lime sulfur. 15:19.485 --> 15:21.454 - Any temperature requirements for the lime sulfur? 15:21.454 --> 15:22.989 - Don't see anything on that. 15:22.989 --> 15:27.627 Fixed copper controls canker, a fungal disease, 15:27.627 --> 15:31.798 and you may wanna make a couple of applications of that 15:32.965 --> 15:34.667 if you've had a problem with canker. 15:34.667 --> 15:37.737 Primarily on peaches and plums in our area. 15:37.737 --> 15:40.807 And if you don't have peaches or plum trees 15:40.807 --> 15:42.775 then you don't have to worry about the fixed copper. 15:42.775 --> 15:44.277 - Let me ask you about this though. 15:44.277 --> 15:47.346 Going back to the fixed copper and the lime sulfur. 15:47.346 --> 15:48.781 Do you do one or the other? 15:48.781 --> 15:50.049 Or do you do 'em both? 15:50.049 --> 15:52.552 - It's best to do 'em both. 15:52.552 --> 15:53.519 - (Chris) Both. 15:53.519 --> 15:54.654 Okay. 15:54.654 --> 15:56.122 - If you have peaches and plums now 15:56.122 --> 15:58.090 of course the copper is only for peaches and plums. 15:58.090 --> 16:02.228 The liquid lime sulfur, that would be on all of 'em, 16:02.228 --> 16:04.730 apples, pears, peaches, plums, nectarines. 16:04.730 --> 16:07.967 - But you wouldn't mix the two together would you? 16:07.967 --> 16:10.603 Or would they have to be separate applications? 16:10.603 --> 16:13.105 - That's a very good question. 16:14.540 --> 16:18.411 You know, I don't really see a reason why you wouldn't 16:18.411 --> 16:20.279 mix those together. 16:20.279 --> 16:22.849 I would see why you wouldn't wanna mix 'em 16:22.849 --> 16:24.016 with the dormant oil. 16:24.016 --> 16:25.218 - (Chris) Yeah. 16:25.218 --> 16:26.252 - 'Cause you might affect the consistency 16:26.252 --> 16:27.687 of the dormant oil. 16:27.687 --> 16:30.223 But I really don't see a problem with mixing 16:30.223 --> 16:33.192 the fixed copper with liquid lime sulfur. 16:33.192 --> 16:35.161 I don't see a problem with doing that. 16:35.161 --> 16:38.831 And that would reduce the number of times you're out there 16:38.831 --> 16:39.999 spraying about 50 percent. 16:39.999 --> 16:41.334 - It sure would. 16:41.334 --> 16:46.138 One thing that you see a lot of fruit growers do 16:46.138 --> 16:49.876 is they'll paint the base of their tree 16:49.876 --> 16:53.045 with white latex paint and what you're trying to do 16:53.045 --> 16:55.481 is avoid freeze injury, 16:55.481 --> 16:59.118 avoid on the southwest side of that plant, 16:59.118 --> 17:02.355 even in any time during the winter time, if it's real 17:02.355 --> 17:03.856 cold and it thaws, 17:04.757 --> 17:07.560 the sun thaws the cambium layer 17:07.560 --> 17:10.329 or the bark and then it refreezes that night. 17:10.329 --> 17:12.598 It can cause that bark to split. 17:12.598 --> 17:15.668 And mixing just white latex paint, you know, 17:15.668 --> 17:18.137 mix it with water, cut it 50%- one part paint, 17:18.137 --> 17:21.741 one part water, and then you paint the trunk 17:21.741 --> 17:24.010 and that will act as a sunscreen. 17:24.010 --> 17:27.013 You know, basically repel the sunlight 17:27.013 --> 17:28.781 and keep that from happening. 17:28.781 --> 17:31.484 And the commercial growers I know 17:31.484 --> 17:33.753 will put a rubber glove on and a cotton glove 17:33.753 --> 17:38.124 and just put their hand in the paint and just go up, 17:38.124 --> 17:43.029 you know, 20, 30 inches, you know, you don't have to go all, 17:43.029 --> 17:44.864 you don't wanna paint the whole tree. 17:44.864 --> 17:46.098 - Sure. 17:46.098 --> 17:47.833 - But especially the lower part of the tree 17:47.833 --> 17:49.368 it'd be a good idea to do that. 17:49.368 --> 17:51.537 You know, also now is the time to be thinking about ordering 17:51.537 --> 17:53.873 and replacing fruit trees. 17:53.873 --> 17:55.675 I lost an apple tree this year 17:55.675 --> 17:59.845 and what happened is I planted it in a little bit lower 18:01.280 --> 18:04.717 place than the other apple trees and over time 18:06.586 --> 18:09.855 soil had washed in around that apple tree 18:09.855 --> 18:12.959 and as much as I preach against planting trees too deep 18:12.959 --> 18:15.928 that tree actually, soil settled in around it and 18:15.928 --> 18:18.531 I got a windstorm and noticed the foliage 18:18.531 --> 18:21.067 was much lighter than the rest of my fruit trees 18:21.067 --> 18:24.036 and we got a little windstorm and just blew the tree over. 18:24.036 --> 18:25.538 - (Chris) How 'bout that. 18:25.538 --> 18:27.740 - And I looked at it and it was actually planted too deep. 18:27.740 --> 18:29.608 Well, it wasn't planted too deep. 18:29.608 --> 18:31.644 But soiled washed in around it and then 18:31.644 --> 18:35.047 the same thing took place so that's one thing 18:35.047 --> 18:37.850 that you really need to be careful with. 18:37.850 --> 18:39.318 - (Chris) Okay. 18:39.318 --> 18:42.188 - So but think about, you know, going and ordering, 18:42.188 --> 18:44.290 you can order from reputable nurseries 18:44.290 --> 18:47.526 and pick out your varieties and go ahead and soil test, 18:47.526 --> 18:50.196 you know, if you're gonna plant any. 18:50.196 --> 18:52.064 Make sure you get the pH right. 18:52.064 --> 18:54.333 Your pH needs to be pretty high for almost all fruits 18:54.333 --> 18:55.635 except for blueberries. 18:55.635 --> 18:59.405 And if you're gonna plant blueberries 18:59.405 --> 19:00.973 you need to get the pH down. 19:00.973 --> 19:02.208 - (Chris) Right. 19:02.208 --> 19:03.509 - Make it acidic enough to burn the soles 19:03.509 --> 19:05.077 off the bottom of your shoes. 19:05.077 --> 19:05.911 [Chris laughs] 19:05.911 --> 19:07.713 4.2 to, you know, 5.2. 19:07.713 --> 19:09.382 Very low, very low pH. 19:09.382 --> 19:12.151 - Well Mr. D., we appreciate that good information. 19:12.151 --> 19:13.452 - Thank you sir. 19:13.452 --> 19:16.288 [cheerful country music] 19:17.923 --> 19:19.592 - Fall is here and the bermuda grass 19:19.592 --> 19:21.694 and the zoysia grass is goin' dormant now 19:21.694 --> 19:23.129 and people think that it's a good time 19:23.129 --> 19:24.997 to fertilize your grass now. 19:24.997 --> 19:27.533 But if it's for the bermuda grass and zoysia grass 19:27.533 --> 19:29.802 this first number here, nitrogen, 19:29.802 --> 19:31.671  no nitrogen fertilizer   this time of the year 19:31.671 --> 19:33.305  because it goin' dormant. 19:33.305 --> 19:35.107  You gotta make sure it   don't get no growth on it 19:35.107 --> 19:36.242  this time of the year. 19:36.242 --> 19:37.710  Phosphorus and potassium   is good for your 19:37.710 --> 19:40.312  bermuda grass now 'cause it's   good for the root system. 19:40.312 --> 19:43.115 And this is a good time to do a soil test 19:43.115 --> 19:45.084 to make sure that you can add these numbers to that. 19:45.084 --> 19:47.586 But for your fescue lawn, 19:47.586 --> 19:49.221 fall is a good time to start fertilizing this now 19:49.221 --> 19:51.557 because it begin to grow now. 19:51.557 --> 19:53.325 And on a bag of fertilizer 19:53.325 --> 19:56.328 we see a complete fertilizer with all three numbers. 19:56.328 --> 19:57.563 Maybe 13-13-13, 19:58.931 --> 20:00.099 12-12-12, 20:00.099 --> 20:02.201 6-12-, 6-12-10. 20:02.201 --> 20:04.904 But you got a complete fertilizer right there 20:04.904 --> 20:06.005 with your first few lines now. 20:06.005 --> 20:07.239 You begin to grow now. 20:07.239 --> 20:08.541 See all that green folks lawn now. 20:08.541 --> 20:09.875 That's what they have, 20:09.875 --> 20:11.077 But the grass start turning brown 20:11.077 --> 20:12.878 you got the bermuda grass and the zoysia grass. 20:12.878 --> 20:14.980 Hold back on your nitrogen fertilizer. 20:14.980 --> 20:16.515 Give ya phosphorus and potassium 20:16.515 --> 20:18.350 and it's good for the root system 20:18.350 --> 20:20.186 and also gonna fight off diseases. 20:20.186 --> 20:23.355 [cheerful country music] 20:23.355 --> 20:25.591 - Alright, so Q & A session. 20:25.591 --> 20:26.792 You all ready for these questions? 20:26.792 --> 20:27.626 - Sure. 20:27.626 --> 20:28.461 - Good questions. 20:28.461 --> 20:29.729 - Good questions. 20:29.729 --> 20:31.564  Alright lets start with   the first viewer email. 20:31.564 --> 20:33.532  "Can you identify this flower?" 20:33.532 --> 20:36.001  And this is form Miss Sandy. 20:36.001 --> 20:40.039  So, Miss Joellen, do we   know what that flower is? 20:40.039 --> 20:42.541 - After some research, yeah. 20:42.541 --> 20:43.876 - Okay. 20:43.876 --> 20:45.010 [all laughs] 20:45.010 --> 20:46.645 - Gentiana. 20:46.645 --> 20:48.447 I guess that's how you pronounce it. 20:48.447 --> 20:50.049 - That's the way I pronounce it. 20:50.049 --> 20:51.650 - And it's pretty. 20:51.650 --> 20:53.719 It blooms this time of year in the fall 20:53.719 --> 20:56.489 which is probably why she's wondering, you know, 20:56.489 --> 20:59.892 she's seeing it out and she wants to know what it is 20:59.892 --> 21:03.229 and she's putting it in her garden and, you know, 21:03.229 --> 21:05.965 it's native but it is found in the wild 21:05.965 --> 21:10.736 but we're about at the southern end of its native area, 21:10.736 --> 21:14.907 zone seven, so I'm surprised she actually found it out. 21:16.542 --> 21:17.476 - Right. 21:17.476 --> 21:19.078 It is a herbaceous perennial. 21:19.078 --> 21:20.980 I did talk to Miss Sandy. 21:20.980 --> 21:24.950 She told me she was out walkin' her dogs in the woods- 21:24.950 --> 21:26.752 - (Mr. Dr.) Where does she live? 21:26.752 --> 21:29.455 - outside of Bartlett. And she happened to cross 21:29.455 --> 21:31.924 this beautiful plant. She dug it up, brought it home, 21:31.924 --> 21:33.792 put it in her landscape. And wanted to know what is it? 21:33.792 --> 21:36.829 - And that's how most, you know, 21:36.829 --> 21:39.064 hybrid plants and plants get in neighborhoods 21:39.064 --> 21:41.767 because you find it out and you bring it in 21:41.767 --> 21:43.569 and you hybridize them. 21:43.569 --> 21:45.671 And the fact that it's blooming this time of year 21:45.671 --> 21:47.506 should make it start to be very popular. 21:47.506 --> 21:48.841 - (Chris) Right, it should. 21:48.841 --> 21:50.342 - Plant. 21:50.342 --> 21:53.913 - And of course, you know, conditions rich, cool, moist, 21:53.913 --> 21:55.748 well drained, acidic soils. 21:55.748 --> 21:57.283 - That's true. 21:57.283 --> 22:01.620 There's a lot of landscapes that fit that description. 22:01.620 --> 22:04.523 We just gotta replicate what was found in nature, 22:04.523 --> 22:06.125 where it was found in nature. 22:06.125 --> 22:07.359 And you can grow it. 22:07.359 --> 22:09.328 - So there you have it Miss Sandy. 22:09.328 --> 22:11.096 Gentiana, right? 22:11.096 --> 22:12.331 - Gentiana. 22:12.331 --> 22:15.000 - Alright, here's our next viewer's email. 22:15.000 --> 22:18.170  "Should I prune my   gardenia before I cover it 22:18.170 --> 22:20.072  "for the winter?   My grandfather did that 22:21.240 --> 22:23.142  "and his was always   so healthy looking. 22:23.142 --> 22:25.678  "My bush is tall   but not too full. 22:25.678 --> 22:27.246  "I thought maybe   it would increase 22:27.246 --> 22:28.981  "the branches in the spring. 22:28.981 --> 22:30.549  Am I wrong?" 22:30.549 --> 22:32.384 And this is from Miss Edwina. 22:32.384 --> 22:34.553 So she wants to prune her gardenia 22:34.553 --> 22:37.957 before she covers it for the winter. 22:37.957 --> 22:40.659 - I don't think that would be a very good idea 22:40.659 --> 22:45.431 since gardenias normally bloom on the second year growth. 22:45.431 --> 22:47.933 So she's cutting off the blooms for next year 22:47.933 --> 22:49.902 if she trims it. 22:49.902 --> 22:54.273 You're supposed to trim plants' flowers and shrubs 22:54.273 --> 22:56.642 that bloom right after they finish blooming 22:56.642 --> 22:58.377 so then they have time to grow 22:58.377 --> 23:01.046 and produce flowers for next year. 23:01.046 --> 23:05.284 My parents had one and it kept dying down every year 23:05.284 --> 23:08.087 and my mother loves gardenias 23:08.087 --> 23:10.189 so they dug it up and put it in a pot 23:10.189 --> 23:12.658 and they rolled it in and out of the garage. 23:12.658 --> 23:13.893 - (Chris) That's smart. 23:13.893 --> 23:15.461 - And they had beautiful shrubs. 23:15.461 --> 23:19.064 There are hearty varieties, hearty gardenias now 23:19.064 --> 23:21.000 and they're smaller. 23:21.000 --> 23:23.802 They're much smaller varieties than the older ones 23:23.802 --> 23:24.970 that are huge. 23:27.072 --> 23:28.641 So she might wanna try one of those but 23:28.641 --> 23:32.278 I understand it's not as thick as she wants it 23:32.278 --> 23:35.681 but maybe next year, after it finishes blooming, 23:35.681 --> 23:37.916 she should trim it and fertilize it 23:37.916 --> 23:40.219 and make sure it gets enough nutrients. 23:40.219 --> 23:42.488 And I don't know how much light it's getting. 23:42.488 --> 23:43.989 - (Chris) Right. 23:43.989 --> 23:46.025 - They need quite a bit of light to be able to produce 23:46.025 --> 23:48.193 that nice green foliage and blooms. 23:48.193 --> 23:50.629 - Anything to add to that, Mr. D.? 23:50.629 --> 23:52.598 - Just, I don't know of anything 23:52.598 --> 23:54.767 that needs to be pruned this time of the year really. 23:54.767 --> 23:56.035 This is normally, 23:56.035 --> 23:58.470 your pruning shears need to be oiled and greased 23:58.470 --> 24:02.041 and shoved up on the shelf waiting, 24:02.041 --> 24:03.909 waiting for late winter. You need to put 'em up. 24:03.909 --> 24:05.344 Leave 'em. 24:05.344 --> 24:07.680 I don't know of anything that does well 24:07.680 --> 24:09.315 unless you're trying to kill something. 24:09.315 --> 24:13.252 And if you want to kill something prune it now. 24:13.252 --> 24:15.020 - (Chris) Got that right. 24:15.020 --> 24:17.323 - Stress it really good before it goes into the winter 24:17.323 --> 24:18.957 and maybe you'll kill it. 24:18.957 --> 24:20.259 And some thing's you wanna try to kill. 24:20.259 --> 24:21.093 - (Joellen) Mhmm. 24:21.093 --> 24:22.361 - Kudzu. 24:22.361 --> 24:24.129 Now is a really good time to prune kudzu 24:24.129 --> 24:25.631 if you wanna kill kudzu. 24:25.631 --> 24:26.799 - Japanese privet. 24:26.799 --> 24:28.000 - Mhmm. 24:28.000 --> 24:29.301 - Japanese privet. 24:29.301 --> 24:30.469 - Yeah, yeah. 24:30.469 --> 24:32.237 Anything you wanna kill. 24:32.237 --> 24:33.806 Now is a good time to really stress it. 24:33.806 --> 24:37.309 - We don't wanna stress that gardenia Miss Edwina. 24:37.309 --> 24:39.845 So there ya have it from Miss Joellen. 24:39.845 --> 24:42.014 Alright, but I do have another question for that. 24:42.014 --> 24:44.616 So she doesn't prune it. 24:44.616 --> 24:47.019 Do gardenias need to be covered up for the winter? 24:47.019 --> 24:48.587 - Well, yes and no. 24:50.522 --> 24:51.757 - (Chris) Okay. 24:51.757 --> 24:52.825 - It depends on what kind she has. 24:52.825 --> 24:54.093 - (Chris) Oh, okay. 24:54.093 --> 24:56.328 - And if she normally covers it, 24:56.328 --> 24:58.997 I don't know where she's at in the part of the country, 24:58.997 --> 25:01.734 but and maybe it is that she needs to cover it up. 25:01.734 --> 25:04.570 She's not digging it up and putting it inside. 25:04.570 --> 25:07.840 It's one of those that is hurt by the really cold 25:07.840 --> 25:10.409 temperatures and not one of the hearty ones 25:10.409 --> 25:13.812 then maybe it does need to be covered up. 25:13.812 --> 25:15.781 - Miss Edwina may be from Buffalo, New York. 25:15.781 --> 25:17.249 - You never know. 25:17.249 --> 25:20.152 - Alright, thanks for that question Miss Edwina. 25:20.152 --> 25:22.388 Alright so Mr. D., Miss Joellen, we're outta time. 25:22.388 --> 25:23.222 That was fun. 25:23.222 --> 25:24.256 We're outta time. 25:24.256 --> 25:25.524 Thank you. 25:25.524 --> 25:27.159  Remember, we love   to hear from you. 25:27.159 --> 25:29.128  Send us an email or letter. 25:29.128 --> 25:32.798  The email address is   FamilyPlot@wkno.org 25:32.798 --> 25:35.100  and the mailing   address is Family Plot 25:35.100 --> 25:39.671  7151 Cherry Farms Road,   Cordova, Tennessee 38016. 25:39.671 --> 25:43.642  Or you can go online to   FamilyPlotGarden.com 25:43.642 --> 25:45.744 That's all we have time for today. 25:45.744 --> 25:47.913 We only have one episode left 25:47.913 --> 25:49.982 before we go dormant for the winter. 25:49.982 --> 25:52.317 To get a jump on next year's season, 25:52.317 --> 25:54.052 head on over to FamilyPlotGarden.com. 25:54.052 --> 25:57.823 We have hundreds of videos on all sorts of gardening topics. 25:57.823 --> 25:59.091 I'm Chris Cooper. 25:59.091 --> 26:01.293 Be sure to join us next week for The Family Plot: 26:01.293 --> 26:02.694 Gardening in the Mid-South. 26:02.694 --> 26:03.762 Be safe. 26:03.762 --> 26:06.365 [cheerful country music]