[HEATED DISCUSSION]

>> "DONNYBROOK" IS MADE POSSIBLE

THROUGH THE GENEROUS SUPPORT OF

THE MEMBERS OF KETC.

>> Charlie: WELCOME TO

"DONNYBROOK," THE FIRST OF THE

FALL AND SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU

WITH US AND SO GLAD TO HAVE OUR

FRIENDS AT THE GET GAIT MAKING

THE PROGRAM POSSIBLE WEEK IF AND

WEEK OUT.

LET'S MEET THE PANELISTS.

THE MEDIA VETERAN HERSELF --

WENDY WEISE.

SITTING IN FOR BILL McCLELLAN.

MR. JOE HOLLEMAN FROM THE

"POST-DISPATCH."

AND "DONNYBROOK" FOUNDER, ART

ART FROM STLMAG.COM.

AND FROM STLMAG.COM AND BEYOND,

ALVIN REID, AKA, MR. GREEN TREES

OUT THERE IN KIRKWOOD AND YOU

HAD A GOOD ONE.

>> Alvin: A WONDERFUL PARADE.

THANKS FOR THE SHOUT-OUT ON YOUR

YOUR AND IT WAS GREAT.

>> Charlie: A BIG STORY FOR PSL

HOLDERS FOR THE ST. LOUIS RAMS

WHO ARE NOW THE LOS ANGELES RAM,

A JUDGE RESUMED THEY'RE ENTITLED

TO SOMETHING, IF THEY GOT THEM

FROM FANS INC, THEN THEY GET

THEIR DEPOSITS BACK.

WHATEVER THE DEPOSIT IS, THAT'S

UP DETERMINE ITED.

SEATS THEY CAN BUY WHEREVER THE

RAMS PLAY.

THE RAMS HAVE TO MAKE A BEST

OFFER OR EFFORT TO GET THEM SOME

SEATS WHEREVER THE RAMSES ARE

CURRENTLY PLAYING.

IT'S A GOOD RULING IN YOUR VIEW.

>> Alvin: I'LL TAKE YOU BACK TO

THAT FIRST WEEKEND THE RAMS WERE

PLAYING, SOME PSL AND SOME

WEREN'T.

I WAS MR. TICKET BROKER SOMEHOW

AND WAS TAKEN THEM TO DOWNTOWN

BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE COMING

THERE AND HAD THEM LAID OUT ON

THE TAKEN AND AFTER THAT, I

WOULD HATE TO BE CALLED INTO A

COURTROOM TESTIFYING ON BEHALF

OF THIS ONE OR THAT ONE.

I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THE OFFER, IF YOU MOVED,

IF YOU HAVE A PSL, YOU'RE

MORNING WELCOME TO BUY A SEASON

TICKET IN LOS ANGELES, THAT'S

MAYOR BUT I THINK IT'S -- I

THINK THIS IS MORE WE'RE TRYING

TO LOOK GOOD IN THE EYES OF THE

GREATEST -- THE GREATER

ST. LOUIS AREA, THE GREATER

ST. LOUIS HOLDER, THOSE FEELING

MISUSED BY THE RAMS.

>> Wendy: THERE WAS A SPORTS

ILLUSTRATED ARTICLE.

>> Ray: WAIT, WAIT, WE.

LIMBAUGH.

>> Charlie: IT'S A FINE FAMILY.

>> Ray: NORM" GIVEN TICKETS IN LOS

ANGELES, I'M FAMILIAR WITH

SOMETHING CALLED SUBHUB, WHICH

IS -- I'M NOT ONE OF THE PEOPLE

AS YOU KNOW THAT WANT TO BE A

PITY PARTY ABOUT THIS.

BUT IF -- THE GREED OF

MR. KROENKE, I WOULD LIKE A

PIECE EVEN IF TOKEN.

RACKING UP THREING IFS IN THEING THREE --
THREE FIELD

GOALS IN THE GAME.

WE HAVE -- I'M SURE EVENTUALLY

IT WILL END UP ON A BONFIRE IF

OUR BACKYARD BUT I WOULD PAY TO

SEE THE -- SO MUCH OUR RAMS'

FAN, FORMER ST. LOUIS RAMS' FANS

IF THEY GIVE THEM TICKETS

SOMEWHERE, THE -- WE'RE CREATIVE

AROUND HERE.

>> Alvin: I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY

TO AFFORD IT, BUT IF I DID, IF I

HAD THE CHANCE TO BUY SEASON

TICKETS TO THE RAMS, I WOULD BUY

THEM BECAUSE THEY'LL BE AT THE

COLISEUM IN TIME AND THE WHOLE

IDEA IF I HAD A SEASON TICKET

AND THEY WERE IN THE STADIUM,

AND THEY GOT THIS THING

TOGETHER.

THAT WOULD BE -- THAT WOULD BE A

VALUABLE --

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

>> Charlie: IF ANYONE HAS DEEP

POCKETS, IT WOULD BE STAN

KROENKE.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE HEARD THE

LAST OF THAT STORY.

>> Wendy: BUT HE'S A GREAT

HUMANITARIAN.

>> Charlie: LET'S TALK ABOUT

DAVE PEACOCK, IN THE SPORTS

ILLUSTRATED, HE SAID HE'S SAD

THE WAY THINGS WORKED OUT WITH

THE RAMS IN ST. LOUIS, BECAUSE

WE SPENT $17 MILLION OF PUBLIC'S

MONEY, TO PUT TOGETHER A STADIUM

FOR STAN KROENKE, MONEY THAT

COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER SPENT ON

OUR SERVICES IN THE AREA.

>> Ray: I THOUGHT IT WAS

NOTEWORTHY ALONGSIDE ROGER

GOODELL, SAYING HE FEELS FOR

ST. LOUIS AND IN MR. PEACOCK'S

CASE, THE DRIVER OF THE BUS THAT

RAN INTO THE WALL HAS DECIDED HE

WASN'T DRIVING THE BUS AFTER ALL

AND -- I SUPPOSE IF THE

TASKFORCE CHAIR, FEELS AS

TERRIBLY AS MR. PEACOCK, PERHAPS

THE NEARLY $1 MILLION THAT HIS

FIRM BILLED --

>> Wendy: MAYBE THEY'LL RETURN

IT.

>> Ray: HE SAID HOW MUCH BETTER

USE THE MONEY -- I THINK THE

REAL QUESTION, I'VE GIVEN THEM

THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

GOOD INTENTIONS FOR DOING THEIR

BEST, BUT AT SOME POINT, THEY

HAD TO KNOW THAT WAS STADIUM

DEAL WAS A NO-GO.

IT WAS FROM THE BEGINNING A

NO-GO FOR THE RAMS.

THERE WAS NO RATIONAL BASIS FOR

THE RAMS TO PLAY THERE.

THE REAL THING WAS THAT AT

THE -- TEND OF THE PROCESS WHEN

KROENKE SAID, SEE YA, THEY

DIDN'T TAKE 10 MINUTES TALKING

TO OTHER FRANCHISES.

IT COULD HAVE HAD CIVIL RIGHT

FOR OTHER FRANCHISES BURR THE

MINUTE THE -- BUT THE REASON THE

RAMS WERE GONE --

>> I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE ON.

>> NOT BEING A RAMS' FAN,

WATCHING FROM OUTSIDE, IT WAS

ALL WINDOW DRESS CAN, ONCE YOU

START HEARING THAT THE TEAM

MIGHT MOVE, THEY'RE ALREADY AS

GOOD AS GONE.

WHEN YOU HEAR THE STOCK TICK,

CHANCESES ARE YOU'RE TOO LATE TO

GET IN ON THE GROUND IMPROVEMENT

I'M SO GLAD EVERYBODY IS SORRY,

I'M GLAD THAT JUDGE LIMBAUGH

RULED THE WAY HE DID, BECAUSE I

HOPE IT COSTS STAN KROENKE SOME

AMOUNT OF MONEY AND AGGRAVATION.

>> Charlie: BEYOND THAT, LET'S

GO, THE RAMS ARE IN L.A. -- IN

THAT STORY, HE EVEN GOES AS FAR

AS TO SAY, IT'S NOT MY FAULT

BECAUSE WHAT HE WAS SAYING WAS

WE WENT FARTHER THAN THE NFL

ASKED US TO GO BUT THERE WAS

SOMETHING LIKE -- SOME DARK

MATTER OUT THERE THAT WAS

TELLING HIM TO PUSH ON AND GO

FARTHER AND HE NEVER SAID

EXACTLY WHAT THAT WAS.

>> Charlie: HE WAS TALKING ERIC

GRUBMAN, THE NFL EXECUTIVE

COMING TO TOWN.

>> BUT THAT'S THE THING, IT'S

ONE THING TO SAY YOU NEED TO DO

THIS AND THIS, SOMEBODY MIGHT

SAY, YOU DON'T SAY -- JUMP, YOU

DON'T SAY HOW HIGH, YOU SAY WHY?

>> Charlie: LET'S MOVE ON, WENDY

WEISE, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT

ERIC SCHMIDT, RUNNING FOR STATE

TREASURER AND CAME UP WITH A

POSITION THIS WEEK THAT BOEING

SHOULD LOSE ITS STATE TAX CREDIT

IF IT DOES BUSINESS FOR IRAN,

PASSENGER JETS AREN'T MADE IN

ST. LOUIS BUT FIGHTER JETS ARE

AND BOEING GETS SOME TAX CREDITS

FOR OPERATING HERE.

80 PASSENGER JET TO IRAN WHICH

SPONSORS TERRORISM AND RIGHT NOW

HAS AMERICANS HELD HOSTAGE.

DOES HE HAVE A POINT?

>> Wendy: I THINK HE HAS A GREAT

POINT AND I THINK IN JUNE, THE

STATE DEPARTMENT HAD IRAN AT THE

TIPPY TOP OF THE TERROR

SPONSOR -- TERRORIST SPONSOR

WATCH LIST AND THE PRESIDENT OF

IRAN WHO'S BEEN AT THE THE U.N.

THIS WEEK, HE IS IN THE FIGHT OF

HIS LIFE UP AGAINST HARD LINERS

WHO POSE HIM AND THIN THAT THE

NUCLEAR DEAL HAS BEEN A DISASTER

BECAUSE PART OF THE INCENTIVE

WAS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO

LOOSEN THE SANCTIONS AGAINST

IRAN BUT -- BUT ALL SORTS OF

MECHANICS THAT PREDATE THE

NUCLEAR AGREEMENT KEEP THE

BANKING ALL TIED UP SO HE'S

FIGHTING AGAINST THE HARD LINERS

AND IF WE WOULD CONTINUE TO DO

BUSINESS AND GIVE TAX CREDITS

AND ENCOURAGE COMPANIES IN IN

COUNTRY TO DO BUSINESS WITH A

GOVERNMENT LIKE THAT, WHO KNOWS

WHERE THIS COULD GO.

, IN FACT, PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS

RECENTLY AS APRIL SAID THAT THE

NATION OF IRAN WAS NOT LIVING UP

TO THE SPIRIT OF THE HISTORIC

NUCLEAR POWER AGREEMENT BY

SUPPORTING HEZBOLLAH.

>> ERIC SCHMIDT HAS A FINE

POINT, OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT GOING

TO STAND UP FOR IRAN, HOWEVER,

I'M ASSUMING THIS IS A LEGAL

TRANSACTION UNDER U.S. LAW.

IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T THINK

THEY'RE VIOLATING A LAW.

AND IF THEY ARE A LAW-ABIDING

CONTEXT HERE, WE MAY HATE IRAN,

BUT I THINK IT'S A SLIPPERY

SLOPE TO DECIDE TO TELL

COMPANIES THAT ARE DOING LEGAL

TRANSACTIONS WITH FOREIGN

COUNTRIES -- WELL, FOR THE THAT

ONE BECAUSE OF THE POLITICAL

CLIMATE AND SO I THINK THAT --

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

>> Wendy: YOU'RE ACTING LIKE

IRAN'S JUST RECENTLY WOKE UP ON

THE OTHER SIDE THE BED IN A

DIFFERENT MOOD AND -- THEY'VE

BEEN BAD GUYS FOR A VERY LONG

TIME.

>> Ray: WERE IS IT LEGAL TO DO

BUSINESS WITH THEM?

IF IT'S LEGAL TO DO BUSINESS

WITH THEM --

>> Charlie: LEGAL BUT NOT MORAL.

>> HOW ABOUT SAUDI ARABIA?

>> Alvin: YOU FELLOW LIKE YOU'RE

RIGHT AND OUR LEGISLATURE GOES

AND VOTES AND THEN OVERRIDES THE

VETO AND WE'RE IN WICHITA AND

SEATTLE TOMORROW.

CRYING ABOUT THE RAMS, WAIT

UNTIL BOEING LEAVES.

>> Wendy: YOU'RE RIGHT.

>> I THINK THE GOVERNMENT HAS A

GOOD STANDING TO JUDGE WHAT IS

MORALLY RIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO

BESS TRANSACTIONS.

ONCE AGAIN, I AGREE WITH MY

CONSERVATIVE LAISSEZ-FAIRE

PROFESSOR OF ECONOMIC, THE

GOVERNMENT HAS TO STAY OUT OF

IT, THEY HAVE TO BUT A LEGAL

TRANSACTION AND AIRLINES MADE BY

PEOPLE WITH JOBS, ERIC SCHMIDT

IS MAKING A GREAT POLITICAL

POINT BUT IF WE GO PAST THAT,

YOU HAVE A COMPANY NOT DOING

ANYTHING ILLEGAL AND PROVIDING

JOBS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE

AIRPLANES.

WE'RE NOT SELLING FIGHTER JETS

SO I DON'T THINK THE GOVERNMENT

HAS A RIGHT TO SAY, WE'RE GOING

TO MAKE A MORAL JUDGMENT, YOU

CAN'T SELL THEM.

>> THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS

THAT IRAN HAS AMERICAN

HELICOPTERS AND IT'S A COUNTRY

THAT HAS SPONSORED HEZBOLLAH.

WITNESS A MINUTE -- I LISTENED

TO YOU GUYS, AND IT'S GOOD TO

TAKE A STAND AGAINST COUNTRIES

WHO DO THINGS --

>> Alvin: CHARLIE, IF I TOOK

SOMEBODY HOSTAGE, AND FROM

FRANCE IN THE UNITED STATES OF

AMERICA, FRANCE WOULD SAY THAT

AMERICA HAS SOMEONE HOSTAGE, YOU

NEED TO REPHRASE THAT, THERE ARE

PEOPLE WHO ARE HOSTAGES IN IRAN,

THAT'S NOT SAYING THAT IRAN

HAS --

>> Charlie: IT IS, IT IS --

>> Alvin: IN OTHER WORDS, THE

PRESIDENT SHOULD DELIVER THEM --

>> Charlie: [INAUDIBLE] WITHOUT

THE INITIAL OR UNOFFICIAL OF THE

SUPREME LEADER.

>> Alvin: THEY NEED TO SAY THAT

THAT BEFORE THE UNITED STATES OF

AMERICA.

THESE OTHER COUNTRIES --

>> Charlie: EVERYTHING WRONG --

>> Alvin: NOTHING WITH WRONG

WITH THIS.

>> Charlie: AFTER THE NUCLEAR

DEAL, THEY RELEASED HOSTAGES AND

THEN TOOK MORE.

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

THEY AREN'T SAYING IT'S THE

HIGHEST LEADERS OF OUR NEIGH

NATION THAT IS THAT ARE BEHIND

BEHIND IT.

>> Charlie: I WANT TO ASK YOU

ABOUT "THE NEW YORK TIMES"

EDITORIAL ON FRIDAY THAT CALLED

MISSOURI THE "SHOOT ME" SO I

STATE.

THAT YOU CAN CARRY A FIREARM

WITHOUT ANY TRAINING AND DON'T

HAVE TO CHECK IN WITH THE LOCAL

SHERIFF AND GET A PERMIT.

DO YOU THINK THAT'S A FAIR

DESCRIPTION OF MISSOURI?

>> I THINK IT'S A CLEVER

HEADLINE.

GOD BLESS THE "THE NEW YORK

TIMES," ESPECIALLY FROM NEW

YORK, I ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE

THAT.

I THINK IT'S LIKE ALMOST EVERY

OTHER GUN POSSESSION LAW WILL

HAVE NO EFFECT OR LITTLE EFFECT

ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

IT WILL NOT MAKE US SAFER NOR