[HEATED DISCUSSION]
>> "DONNYBROOK" IS MADE POSSIBLE
THROUGH THE GENEROUS SUPPORT OF
THE MEMBERS OF KETC.
>> Charlie: THANKS FOR JOINING
US FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF
"DONNYBROOK."
GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US AND
GREAT TO HAVE OUR FRIENDS AT
GATESWORTH MAKING THIS PROGRAM
POSSIBLE AS THEY DO WEEK IN AND
WEEK OUT.
LET'S MEET THE PANELISTS SEATED
AROUND THE TABLE THIS THURSDAY
EVENING.
THE MEDIA VETERAN HERSELF, WENDY
WEISE.
BILL McCLELLAN, ORIGINAL
"DONNYBROOK" MEMBER AND, OF
COURSE, WITH ST. LOUIS
POST-DISPATCH.
AND BEYOND.
AND ANOTHER "DONNYBROOK"
ORIGINAL AND FOUNDER, RAY
HARTMANN, AND KICKING OFF
TONIGHT'S SHOW, ALVIN REID FROM
STLMAG.COM.
AND DO YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW IF
YOU SAW, THE CHANNEL 9 CALENDAR
FOR MARCH HAS OUR PICTURES ON
IT.
>> Wendy: WE'RE LIKE A CENTER
FOLD.
>> 3655 OLIVE STREET.
>> AND THE COVER OF THE ROLLING
STONE.
>> Charlie: ALL RIGHT, I WANT TO
ASK YOU ABOUT ILLINOIS AND
MISSOURI, HAVE PRIMARIES ON THE
15th OF THIS MONTH AND IT
WILLING INTERESTING.
OF COURSE, BERNIE SANDERS WHO IS
CHALLENGING SECRETARY CLINTON
FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION IS
GOING TO BE IN TOWN TOMORROW.
AND TODAY, MITT ROMNEY, THE
REPUBLICAN'S 2012 CHOICE TOOK ON
AN UNPRECEDENTED FASHION, THE
GUY WHO MIGHT BE THE 2016
NOMINEE, DONALD TRUMP, WHO IS
REALLY -- A SPEECH UNDER SALT
LAKE CITY CALLING DONALD TRUMP A
PHONY, A FRAUD, A CON ARTIST AND
NOT EVEN A GOOD BUSINESSMAN.
OUCH!
WHAT DO YOU THINK, IS HE GOING
TO HURT OR HEM WITH THOSE
COMMUNITIES.
>> LET'S SAY THAT BERNIE SANDERS
OR HILLARY CLINTON SAID THE SAME
THINGS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP IT
WOULD REINFORCE HIS FAITH AND BE
GOOD FOR THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO
VOTE FOR HIM IN THE PRIMARY.
SAME IS TRUE FOR MITT ROMNEY.
HE HELPED DONALD TRUMP MORE THAN
HE HURT HIM.
HE GOT WAGGED FOUR YEARS AGO,
FLAT OUT, THEY SAY HE RAN A BAD
CAMPAIGN AND LOST BADLY AND NOW
HE'S TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE
ELSE'S CAMPAIGN?
TWO, THEY, ACCORDING TO TRUMP U
TRUMP, TO TRUMP ENDORSED HIM
FOUR YEARS AGO, YOU CAN'T JUST
TURN THE PAGES ON THAT.
HE WAS NOT ALL THIS BAD FOUR
YEARS AGO WHEN I NEEDED HIS
ENDORSEMENT, BUT NOW HE'S
TERRIBLE?
HE HELPED DONALD TRUMP WAY MORE
THAN HE HURT DONALD TRUMP.
>> Ray: HE CERTAINLY DIDN'T HURT
HIM, BUT THAT'S A GIVEN BUT THE
QUESTION IS WOULD HE -- FIRST,
HE WAS RIGHT, PRETTY MUCH EVERY
WORD HE SAID, WHETHER HE SHOULD
HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR TRUMP'S
ENDORSEMENT FOUR YEARS AGO.
I THINK IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN
THE.
THE QUESTION REALLY BECOMES DOES
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY YOU KNOW,
NORMAL GROUP OF THE PEOPLE WHO
HAVE RUN IT FOR DECADES, DO THEY
STILL HAVE ENOUGH LEFT TO
DETERMINE AT THEIR CONVENTION
WHO THEIR NOMINEE IS GOING TO
BE?
AND PEOPLE FORGET, THESE PRIMARY
PROCESSES AREN'T REALLY SET UP
TO BE PURE DEMOCRACY.
THEY'RE THE PARTY SELECTING
THEIR OWN FOLKS.
I'M NOT DISCOUNTING THE FACT
THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SEEMS
TO BE IN A STATE OF -- NO
QUESTION ABOUT IT, ALL OF MY
REPUBLICAN FRIENDS ARE FLIPPED
OUT ABOUT IT AND I DON'T BLAME
THEM. BUT I WILL SAY ROMNEY --
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ROMNEY'S
IMPACT WILL BE IN TERMS OF
HEADING THEM OFF AT CONVENTION.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT ROMNEY DID
MUCH AT ALL.
I WAS HOME AND WATCHED THE
SPEECH AND WAY TOO LITTLE TOO
LATE AND HE DIDN'T SAY, ALL
RIGHT, WE HAVE TO RALLY BEHIND
THIS CANDIDATE.
THERE'S STILL THREE CANDIDATES
AND THEY'RE SPLITTING AGAINST
TRUMP AND SPLITTING THE VOTES
AND ROMNEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO
AMELIORATE THAT.
I THOUGHT HE JUST SEEMED LIKE
ESTABLISHMENT GUY.
I DON'T THINK --
>> Wendy: WELL, I WOULD LOVE --
THE SURE LOCK HOLMES FAN IN ME,
WOULD LOVE TO THINK THIS IS A
DIE BOLLICCAL GOP PLOT.
THAT TRIER TRYING TO DRIVE
VOTERS INTO THE TRUMP CAMP BY
MAKING HIM MORE APPEALING AND
THAT'S WHY THEY ROLLED OUT
SOMEONE LIKE MITT ROMNEY WHO WAS
SO INEFFECTIVE AS A CANDIDATE
FROM THE TIME -- I MEAN, THE END
OF THE FIRST DEBATE WHEN HE
ACTUALLY OUT-PERFORMED
EVERYONE'S EXPECTATIONS AND HAD
BARACK OBAMA, WHO IS A GREAT
DEBATER, HAD HIM ON THE RUN AND
FROM THAT MOMENT ON, WHAT WAS
HIS FAMOUS QUOTE.
THE 47%?
THIS IS THE GUY THEY'RE SERVING
UP TO THE RED MEAT POPULACE
VOTERS OF 2016?
>> YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO
ABOUT DONALD TRUMP IS THIS AND
DONALD TRUMP IS BAD.
BUT HERE'S AN EXAMPLE, YOU'RE
TELLING THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK THE
TIME TO GO OUT AND CAUCUS AND
VOTE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT.
>> Wendy: THE L.A. TIMES --
>> Charlie: LET'S SAY AS RAY
SAYS THEY GO TO THE CONVENTION
AND TRY AND MANIPULATE IT SO
THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE
IS THERE, THAT JUST MEANS
THAT -- TRUMP WILL RUN AS HEY
THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE.
[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]
>> WHEN I HEAR FOLKS WHO ARE
MODERATE AND IN THE CENTER, I
UNDERSTAND THAT -- I'M NOT SURE
THIS WAS SCRIPTED.
I THINK ROMNEY, WHATEVER YOU
THINK OF MITT ROMNEY AND I
DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM -- WELL, NO.
I DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM, BUT I'LL
SAY THIS, I THINK HE'S SINCERE.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHAT
THE TRADITIONAL MODERATE
BUSINESS REPUBLICAN CONSIDERS
DONALD TRUMP, LIKE A LOT OF
PEOPLE ON MY SIDE DO, TO BE A
PERSON WITH DICTATOR POTENTIAL.
I THINK HE'S A VERY --
>> Charlie: IF THAT'S TRUE, THEN
MITT ROMNEY SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD
TWO FUNDRAISERS AT TRUMP'S HOME
FOR USED DONALD TRUMP IN SIX
STATES FOR ROBOCALLS.
>> Wendy: I WOULD BE
DISAPPOINTED IN THE GRAND OLD
PARTY IF THEY DIDN'T THROW
EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE
KITCHEN THING E SINK AT THIS
GUY.
HE'S BEATING THE ESTABLISH ...
JEB BUSH, WHAT?
$100 MILLION, GONE!
AND HE -- DONALD TRUMP IS NOT
SPENDING ANY MONEY AND YET HE'S
STRIKING THIS CORD.
NATURALLY THEY'RE COMING AT HIM
WITH THE TALKING POINTS --
[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]
IF EVERYONE FROM BEN STEIN TO
JOHN McCAIN AND MITT ROMNEY
USED THE EXACT SAME DESCRIPTION.
>> Alvin: AND YOU SAID GRAND OLD
PARTY.
THE MAN, BASICALLY DIDN'T SHOUT
DOWN THE GRAND OLD WIZARD, DAVID
DUKE.
AND WHATEVER IT IS ABOUT HIM,
THIS IS NOT DICTATORSHIP, THIS
IS JESSE VENTURA.
>> Wendy: ANDREW JACKSON.
>> Alvin: REALLY?
>> Ray: I THINK MORE LIKE A
GEORGE WILL COMPARED TO HUEY
LONG.
>> Wendy: FROM BACK TO THE
FUTURE.
>> ARE YOU TELLING ME YOU THINK
DONALD TRUMP IS A REASONABLE
CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT?
>> Wendy: JOHN --
[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]
>> LET BILL SPEAK.
>> Bill: I DON'T THINK WE KNOW
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I KNOW I DON'T.
I WROTE JANUARY 1st, THAT
MONEY TRUMPED EVERYTHING,
INCLUDING TRUMP AND I WAS I
CONVINCED THAT JEB BUSH WOULD
GET EVERYTHING.
NO ONE SAW THIS COMING AND I
THINK WE ALL LOOK A LITTLE
SILLY.
>> Alvin: I THOUGHT --
>> Bill: EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED
WHEN WE DIDN'T SEE IT.
>> Charlie: WE DIDN'T WRITE THAT
COLUMN, SPEAK FOR YOURSELF?
ABOUT.
>> NONE OF WHOM SAW THIS COMING
AND NOW --
>> Alvin: I SAID HE'LL LAST
UNTIL SUPER TUESDAY AND THAT
WILL BE IT.
WELL, HE WON SUPER TUESDAY.
>> Wendy: FIRST OF ALL, 29 YEARS
ON THE SHOW --
>> BUT THIS ISN'T ABOUT
PREDICTIONING, I'M TALKING
ABOUT -- I DON'T WANT TO GO
THROUGH THE LITANY OF THINGS
THAT DONALD TRUMP IS SAYING AND
DOING ABOUT MEDIA AND WHETHER
IT'S BLACK, HISPANICS OR
WHATEVER.
I'M NOT MAKING A PREDICTION
HERE.
I AGREE, I THINK THE THEME OF
THIS WHOLE ELECTION CYCLE TO BE
AN OLD FIRE SIGN ALBUM WE HAD IN
COLLEGE, WHICH IS EVERYTHING WE
KNOW IT WRONG.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MORE YOU
KNOW FROM THE PAST, THE LESS YOU
CAN PREDICT.
I'M NOT SAYING THIS, I'M SAYING
THIS GUY HAS DICTATOR POTENTIAL
AND I BELIEVE THAT IN FROM THE
BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
>> Charlie: THE ILLINOIS PRIMARY
DATE IS THE 15th OF MARCH.
LET'S CONTINUE WITH YOU, BILL,
ABOUT --
>> I AGREE WITH YOU, RAY.
>> Charlie: YOU AGREE WITH
HIM --
[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]
>> Charlie: LET'S MOVE ALONG.
BILL, I THOUGHT IT WAS A
BOMBSHELL TODAY, OR MAYBE IT WAS
YESTERDAY, THAT THERE'S A
DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION BILL IN
WASHINGTON D.C. THAT CARVES OUT
ABOUT $800,000 FOR 182 ACRES FOR
THE TRANSFER OF THE NATIONAL
GEOSPATIAL AGENCY FROM SOUTH
ST. LOUIS.
IT DOESN'T SAY EXACTLY WHERE
THIS IS, BUT THE PROPERTY SET
ASIDE FOR THE NGA, NEAR SCOTT
AIR FORCE BASE IS 182 ACRES.
DOES THIS MEAN THAT ST. LOUIS'
GOOSE IS COOKED AND NORTH
ST. LOUIS WILL NOT BE THE SITE
OF THE NGA.
>> Bill: I PREDICTED THAT ON
JANUARY 1st, TOO.
>> Alvin: MR. KNOW IT ALL.
>> Bill: I'M BATTING 500.
I THINK IT'S ANOTHER BAD
INDICATION.
IT MAKES SENSE, I THINK, TO PUT
IT NEXTS TO SCOTT AIR FORCE
BASE.
AND IT'S CHEAPER FOR THE
GOVERNMENT AND IT'S MORE SPACE
AND THEY HAVE MORE CLOUT THAT
THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION.
DICK DURBIN BEATS LACY CLAY AND
I THOUGHT THAT LACY CLAY AND
PAUL MCGEE AND THEY WOULD COME
THROUGH, I THINK NOT.
THE ONLY GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE
CITY, I'VE BEEN WRONG ABOUT SO
MUCH IN THE NEW YEAR.
>> Ray: I THINK IT WOULD HAVE
BEEN BETTER FOR THE REGION.
AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH A
WORD YOU JUST SAID.
I THINK THE CITY IS VERY -- I
DON'T THINK THIS IS JUST AN
COINCIDENCE AND I THINK THAT THE
CITY -- I THINK IT'S LOOKING
GLOOMY FOR THE CITY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR
THE REGION IN GENERAL BECAUSE
THE CITY IS IN SUCH DIFFICULT
STRAITSES BECAUSE AS YOU POINT
OUT, SCOTT IS PART OF THE
REGION.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE
END TIMES.
JUST ANOTHER BLOW TO THE CITY AT
A TIME IT DOESN'T NEED IT.
BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S
LOOKING -- WE'LL FIND OUT.
>> Wendy: RECENT MEMORY, RECENT
HISTORY TAUGHT US ANYTHING,
WISHING DOESN'T MAKE IT SO.
THIS IS SO FAR BEYOND
COINCIDENCE.
OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE GOING TO
SCOTT.
>> Alvin: ONCE AGAIN, YOU WANT
TO ASK, LIKE WHEN THE FOOTBALL
TEAM AND THAT WAS CIRCULATING
YEARS AGO, WHAT'S THE PLAN B.
NOW HERE WE ARE AGAIN, IT'S ON
PAPER, LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING
TO MOVE OVER THERE.
IF YOU ASK -- IN THE PAPER AND
HOLDING OUT HOPE, YOU KNOW WHAT?
IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE PROACTIVE,
WE GOT A PLAN FOR WHAT WE'RE
GOING TO DO, WE KNOW THIS IS
GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND IT WILLING APRIL 1st WHEN
THEY ANNOUNCE IT AND WE'LL ALL
BE SAD AGAIN AND MAYBE THEY CAN
BUILD THE SOCCER STADIUM WHERE
PRUITT ISLAND USED TO BE.
>> Charlie: MAKE NO MISTAKE,
IT'S SPRAWL AND ANOTHER BLOW TO
THE CITY.
$2 MILLION IN THE YEAR IN THE
EARNINGS TAX AND YOU DO WONDER
WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION,
SUPPOSEDLY INTERESTED IN, YOU
KNOW, MOVING PEOPLE BACK INTO
THE CITY, BECAUSE IN TERMS OF
TRANSPORTATION AND OTHER
MATTERS, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE
BIT INCONSISTENT FOR THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION TO MOVE THIS --
YOU KNOW, THIS DEFENSE SYSTEM
OUT INTO THE BUSHES.
THE BURBS.
>> Ray: A SENATOR FROM ILLINOIS.
>> Charlie: IT'S NOT THE URBAN
CORE.
>> Wendy: BUT IT'S AMBER WAVES
OF GRAIN IS WHAT IT IS.
>> Ray: HE WAS THE SENATOR FOR
ILLINOIS, OK.
AND INTERESTINGLY, I KIND OF
WONDER WHAT JAY NIXON -- HE WAS
SURE PROMINENT, THIS IS A
MISSOURI-ILLINOIS ISSUE AS WELL
AND JAY NIXON, I THINK AROUND A
BIT FOR THE RAMS' THING, HAS
NOT, AT LEAST PUBLICLY, BEEN
NEARLY AS ENGAGED IN KEEPING
THIS ASSET --
>> Charlie: ALL RIGHT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PAST
YEAR.
S, RAY, I WANT TO ASK YOU
ABOUT -- GO BACK TO COLUMBIA, I
KNOW THAT'S YOUR FAVORITE TOPIC.
YOUR ALMA MATER.
YOU'RE IN THE MIZZOU HALL OF
FAME, ARE YOU NOT.
>> Ray: NO.
>> Charlie: YOU, I WANT TO ASK
YOU ABOUT THE INTERIM VICE CLANS
CHANCELLOR WHO SAID THE
CONCERNED STUDENTS, 1950 WHO HAD
DEMANDS ABOUT INCREASING
MINORITY HIRING AMONG TEACHERS
AND DIVERSITY AND WANT STATUES
OF LLOYD GAINS ON CAMPUS, START
SHOWING UP AT MEETINGS AND START
TO COLLABORATE.
WE'RE TIRED OF YOUR DEMANDS.
>> HOWL ABOUT THAT.
>> Ray: IN MY OLD NEWSPAPER,
THEY REPORTED THAT -- AND I'M
SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE NAME OF
THE FOUNDER -- ONE OF THE
FOUNDERS, TOLD THEM HE'S BEEN
GOING TO THE MEETINGS AND SPOKE
WITH THE VICE CHANCELLOR AND
THAT THE COLUMBIA, MISSOURI,
MISREPORTED IN HIS MIND,
ACCORDING TO IT HIM, SAYING
WE'RE TIRED OF YOUR DEMANDS IN
THE MEDIA.
THEY WEREN'T SAYING DON'T MAKE
ANY DEMANDS, ALTHOUGH THE
INTERIM PRESIDENT DID SAY,
CLEARLY.
AND THAT'S GREAT.
I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE
POSITION AND SMART ONE FOR THEM
TO TAKE PUBLICLY.
YOU KNOW, THE STUDENTS, WHATEVER
YOU THINK OF WHAT HAPPENED IN
THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, HAD
THERE NOT BEEN DEMANDS AND THE
KIND OF ACTIVIST APPROACH,
NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED AND
I KNOW WHEN THERE WAS, 100 YEARS
AGO AT MIZZOU, AFRICAN AMERICANS
EXPRESSED A LOT OF THE SAME
UNEASE HOW THEY'RE HE ACCEPTED
ON CAMPUS AND THIS IS THE FIRST
MOVEMENT THEY'VE EVER GOTTEN AND
I'M SURE WE'D LOVE IT ALL TO
BE -- NOT TO BE AN ULTIMATUM.
>> Charlie: BUT DONATIONS ARE
DONE AND SO IS ENROLLMENT.
>> Ray: SO WHAT?
IS THAT THE --
>> Charlie: SO WHAT?
>> Ray: I THINK SO WHAT.
>> Charlie: TURNED OFF MORE
PEOPLE.
>> Ray: THAT'S TOUGH.
LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, WHEN
BOOSTERS DO THEIR ACTIVISM,
NOBODY SEEMS TO MIND IT.
>> Charlie: BOOSTERS AREN'T
GOING ON HUNGER STRIKES.
>> Wendy: YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE '60s, OK?
SORRY, THE '7 OH, NO OFFENSE.
THIS WAS KIND OF A FAR CRY WHEN
YOU HEAR THAT THE GRADUATE
STUDENT ON THE HUNGER STRIKE IS
THE SON OF AN $8 MILLION A YEAR
RAILROAD EXECUTIVE AND DOING HIS
GRADUATE WORK AND IF YOU HAVE
SUCH OPPRESSIVE RACIST
STRUCTURE, WHY IN THE WORLD
WOULD YOU SAY, WHEN YOU'RE BEING
TERRORIZED.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK ANYONE
REALLY BOUGHT THAT THE IOWA
PARTICULAR AS.
>> Alvin: WHEN WE WERE IN SCHOOL
IN THE LATE '70s, OK, THE
UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS [INAUDIBLE]
ONE OF THE FEW COLLEGES THAT
STILL DID.
AND LIKE I SAY, IF YOU'RE AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS, I'M NOT
SAYING YOU'RE A WITCH, BUT THESE
WERE MOSTLY WHITE KID THAT'S LED
THAT MISSION AND I CAN'T LOOK AT
THEM AND SAY, YOU'RE FROM AN
AFFLUENCE FAMILY, PROBABLY GOT
MONEY.
>> Wendy: DO YOU REALLY THINK
THAT THE DEFEET OF HOMECOMING
PARADES AND WHETHER OR NOT THE
CHANCE LETTER AT THE TIME OR THE
UNIVERSITY SYSTEM PRESIDENT WAS
GOING TO GET OUT DURING A
HOMECOMING PARADE AND DISCUSS
GRIEVANCES, DOES THAT RISE TO
THE LEVEL OF APARTHEID?
IN MY MIND --
>> Alvin: OK, THEY DID THE
PARADE THING AND IT'S A
DEMONSTRATION AND IT HAPPENED.
I GET THAT.
THAT'S COLLEGE KIDSING ABOUT
COLLEGE KIDS.
I WOULD HAVE SAID, BRING THE
DEMANDS AND I'LL TAKE THAT
INTO -- YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATION.
AND BY THE WAY, YOU HAVE A D YOU
MIGHT WANTS TO DEMAND THAT YOU
STUDY MORE.
>> Bill: LET THE NEW
PRESIDENT --
>> Wendy: IN THE INTERIM
CHANCELLOR WERE THE ONES
FIELDING ALL OF THESE, IN TERMS
OF THE UPHEAVAL AND THE RESULT
OF THE UPHEAVAL.
>> Bill: I WAS A CAMPUS
EDITOR -- NO, I WAS.
I WANT TO SAY I WASN'T AFRICAN
AMERICAN AT THE TIME.
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS
THAT STUDENT ACTIVISM IS A
IMPORTANT PART OF AN CAMPUS
ENVIRONMENT AND FOR SOMEONE TO
SAY, YOU'RE DEMANDS ARE --
>> ACCORDING TO THE
ADMINISTRATORS, IF THESE
STUDENTS HAD SHOWN UP AT THE
MEETINGS, THEY WOULD HAVE KNOWN
THAT MANY OF THEIR DEMANDS HAD
BEEN ENACTED UPON.
>> Ray: THE FACT OF THE MATTER
IS THAT -- THAT THIS IDEA THAT
SOMEHOW -- AND I DIDN'T LIKE ALL
THE LIST OF THEIR DEMANDS WHEN
THEY MADE THEM.
MY POINT IS THIS, THEY MADE AN
IMPACT AND MADE IT WITH THEIR
POWER --
>> Charlie: OK, LET'S MOVE ON.
WENDY WEISE.
I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A TOPIC
THAT APPARENTLY IS PRETTY
IMPORTANT TO GREECERS AND --
GROCERS AND CONVENIENCE STORE
OWNERS, PUTTING IN COOLER CASES
INSIDE OF THE STORE IN THE STATE
OF MISSOURI AND ALSO GROWLERS,
LIKE A SMALL KEG.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN NOTICE, BUT
YOU CAN IN COLORADO AND
WISCONSIN AND THE SMALL CRAFT
BREWERS SAY IF BIG BREWERS PUT
THEIR REFRIGERATED CASES IN THE
CONVENIENCE STORES, THAT WILL
KEEP THE CRAFT BEERS OUT.
WHO DO YOU STAND WITH.
>> Wendy: I STAND WITH THE HEIR
OF ANAANHEUSER-BUSCHE.
IN EARLIES THIS UPSIDE DOWN --
DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE WORLD WE'RE
LIVING IN.
IF IT WAS AD AND SOME
MICROBREWERIES TRYING TO HORN
IN, WE WOULD ALL BE, WHAT'S
WRONG WITH THOSE SUBVERSIVE
MICROBREWERIES.
BUT NOW THAT IT'S AB AND SOON TO
BE MILLER, WE'RE ALL FOR THE
LITTLE GUY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S
BILLY BUSCH.
THE BREWER OF KRAFTIG.
A MICROBREWER.
MOST OF THE MICRO BREWERS IN THE
STATE ARE AGAINST THEM FROM
BEING PUSHED OUT IN THE
CONVENIENCE STORES.
>> Alvin: I WILL STAND WITH THE
PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE BEER
100-GALLONS AT A TIME.
SORRY, PAY YOU A LOT OF MONEY --
COME ON IN.
CRAFT BEER PEOPLE, YOU CAN GO TO
FOREST PARK -- ALL THAT HAVE.
IT'S ALL YOURS.
BUT -- I'M SORRY.
IT'S ABOUT THE FREE ENTERPRISE
AND BUT THIS WHOLE BUY-IN, TO BE
ABLE TO GET LIKE A CUP OF BEER
OR SOME -- PUT BEER IN A THING
AND TAKE IT OUT WITH YOU.
>> Charlie: A COUPLE OF GALLONS.
YOU CAN DO IT IN U CITY.
THE ONLY PLACE IN THE STATE.
>> Alvin: THAT SEEMS LIKE WHAT
ARE YOU GOING DO WITH THE BEER
WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE
HIGHWAY.
>> Charlie: IN THE E.U., THEY
ALLOW THE REFRIGERATED CASES BUT
30% OF THEM HAVE TO GO TO A
COMPANY OTHER THAN THE ONE
PAYING FOR IT.
IF THE STATE --
>> Alvin: IF THE STATE SAID THAT
WAS THE LAW, I DON'T THINK THAT
WOULD STOP -- THEY'D STILL DO
IT.
IF THEY HAD 70% OF THE POOL, I
THINK THEY WOULD BE HAPPY.
>> Ray: I DON'T KNOW, IF YOU
TOOK AWAY THE FACT THAT I -- THE
CRAFT BEER AND THE BILLY BUSCHS
IN THE WORLD, I DON'T UNDERSTAND
WHY IT IS GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE
TELLING THE CONVENIENCE STORIES
WHAT KIND OF COOLERS THEY CAN
HAVE.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE A GREAT DEAL
OF SENSE.
TO ME.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I'M
ROOTING FOR THE LITTLE GUYS AT
THE SAME TIME.
>> Bill: BILLY BUSCH, THAT'S
WHERE I STAND.
>> Charlie: BY THE WAY, GOING TO
BE ON MY RADIO SHOW TOMORROW FOR
A SHAMELESS PLUG AND LET'S HOPE
HE BRINGS HIS PRODUCT.
HEY, I WANT TO ASK YOU AND AS I
WORK, I'LL BE PAYING THE 1%
EARNINGS TAX AND THAT ISSUE IS
IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS AGAIN IN
APRIL.
FOR SOME REASON, UPSTATE
LAWMAKERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
IT.
ALL EMPLOYEES HAVE TO PAY 1% OF
THEIR SALARY TO THE CITY AND IT
IT'S AT THE BALLOT BOX IN APRIL.
DO YOU THINK THE LAWMAKERS ARE
REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CITY
OF ST. LOUIS?
>> Ray: SURE THEY ARE, THEY'VE
ALWAYS BEEN COMPASSIONATE ABOUT
THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
AND I'M SURE THAT WHAT WAS
CONTRIBUTED THIS WEEK, NONE OF
IT WILL COME THEIR WAY.
NO, I WAS REALLY MUSED -- FIRST
OF ALL, NO ONE LIKES ANY TAX,
OK?
AND IT'S GOING TO PUT THE CITY
AT A COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE TO
THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES, WHICH
IS WHY IT'S INTERESTING THAT
LEGISLATORS WHO PURPORT TO
REPRESENT THE SURROUNDING
COUNTIES THAT BENEFIT FROM THE
PROBLEMS CAUSED BY THE TAX ARE
INDIGNANT WHAT IT'S DOING THO TO
THEIR REGION.
IT WAS ONE FROM BALLWIN, AND
ANOTHER ONE -- I DON'T KNOW --
BASICALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE JOB
LOSS THAT WOULD BE COMING TO
THEIR CONSTITUENTS.
I THINK THAT GIVEN IT'S A THIRD
OF THE CITY'S BUDGET, THAT'S
GENERATED BY THE CITY EARNINGS
TAX.
IF THEY WANT TO EXERCISE THEIR
RIGHT TO BLOW IT UP, HE'S GOT A
THINK TANK AND MAYBE OFFER SOME
ALTERNATIVES BEFORE WE THROW THE
CITY'S BUDGET --
>> Charlie: FIVE YEARSA HE WAS
IN FAVOR OF A REDEVELOPMENT HE
FEELS JOBS CAN MOVE BUT PROPERTY
CAN'T AYE THINK HE'S WRONG ABOUT
THAT AND ONE OTHER THING, AS
MUCH AS IT'S NOT POPULAR, THE
FACT IS THAT PEOPLE, A
DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE, COME TO THE DOWNTOWN AND
WORK AND THEY EXPECT ALL OF THE
SERVICES OF THE CITY.
THE POLICE AND FIRE AND THE
STREETS AND THIS IS THE WAYS TO
PAY FOR IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT ALL OF.
>> Bill: UNLESS THERE'S A WAY
THAT THE COUNTY COULD HELP THE
CITY'S BUDGET, YOU HAVE TO HAVE
THIS.
>> Alvin: I AGREE, LOOKING AT
FINANCIAL DISASTER BUT I THINK
THERE'S TIMES -- WE HAVE TO VOTE
ON THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS.
I GET THAT.
BUT AT A TIME WHERE WHAT IS 0
GOING ON IN THE CITY OF
ST. LOUIS, IT MIGHT BE THE LAST
THING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, IS
CUTTING REVENUE FROM THE CITY OF
ST. LOUIS.
NO MATTER WHAT WE THINK ABOUT
TAXES OR WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF WE
TAKE IT AWAY.
IF WE TAKE IT AWAY OVER 10 YEARS
DEBATE.
>> Charlie: THOSE 3,000
EMPLOYEES AT THE NGA ARE ALL
GOING TO GET A PAY INCREASE AS
SOON AS THEY MOVE TO ILLINOIS
AND THAT'S --
>> Ray: THEY LIVE IN THE CITY OF
ST. LOUIS, THE EARNINGS TAX
FOLLOWS THEM.
>> Charlie: FIRST, LET'S FIND
OUT WHAT THE VIEWERS HAD TO SAY,
YOU HAD TO SAY ABOUT LAST WEEK'S
PROGRAM.
WHEN OUR DAUGHTER WAS A GIRL
SCOUT 20 YEARS AGO, I WAS MAZED
HOW ANTI-MALE THEIR LEADERSHIP
HAS BECOME.
FROM WHAT I'VE READ IT'S ONLY
GOTTEN WORSE.
THE NEXT TIME KEVIN JACKSON IS
ON, I WISH SOMEONE WOULD ASK HIM
HOW HE HE INTENDS TO IMPROVE THE
ROADS AND BRIDGES -- YOU CAN
WRITE US CARE OF 3655 OLIVE
STREET, ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI
63108.
WE ALSO LIKE THOSE EMAILS,
LETTERS AT @KETC.ORG AND THOSE
TWEETS AT #DONNYBROOKSTL.
STAY TUNED FOR "DONNYBROOK, YOUR
TURN."
RAY AND WENDY WILL BE TAKING
YOUR PHONE CALLS.
THE REST OF US WILL SEE YOU NEXT
WEEK AT THIS TIME.
DON'T GO AWAY.
>> "DONNYBROOK" IS MADE POSSIBLE
THROUGH THE GENEROUS SUPPORT OF
THE MEMBERS OF KETC.