[HEATED DISCUSSION]

>> "DONNYBROOK" IS MADE POSSIBLE

THROUGH THE GENEROUS SUPPORT OF

THE MEMBERS OF KETC.

>> Charlie: THANKS FOR JOINING

US FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF

"DONNYBROOK."

GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US AND

GREAT TO HAVE OUR FRIENDS AT

GATESWORTH MAKING THIS PROGRAM

POSSIBLE AS THEY DO WEEK IN AND

WEEK OUT.

LET'S MEET THE PANELISTS SEATED

AROUND THE TABLE THIS THURSDAY

EVENING.

THE MEDIA VETERAN HERSELF, WENDY

WEISE.

BILL McCLELLAN, ORIGINAL

"DONNYBROOK" MEMBER AND, OF

COURSE, WITH ST. LOUIS

POST-DISPATCH.

AND BEYOND.

AND ANOTHER "DONNYBROOK"

ORIGINAL AND FOUNDER, RAY

HARTMANN, AND KICKING OFF

TONIGHT'S SHOW, ALVIN REID FROM

STLMAG.COM.

AND DO YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW IF

YOU SAW, THE CHANNEL 9 CALENDAR

FOR MARCH HAS OUR PICTURES ON

IT.

>> Wendy: WE'RE LIKE A CENTER

FOLD.

>> 3655 OLIVE STREET.

>> AND THE COVER OF THE ROLLING

STONE.

>> Charlie: ALL RIGHT, I WANT TO

ASK YOU ABOUT ILLINOIS AND

MISSOURI, HAVE PRIMARIES ON THE

15th OF THIS MONTH AND IT

WILLING INTERESTING.

OF COURSE, BERNIE SANDERS WHO IS

CHALLENGING SECRETARY CLINTON

FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION IS

GOING TO BE IN TOWN TOMORROW.

AND TODAY, MITT ROMNEY, THE

REPUBLICAN'S 2012 CHOICE TOOK ON

AN UNPRECEDENTED FASHION, THE

GUY WHO MIGHT BE THE 2016

NOMINEE, DONALD TRUMP, WHO IS

REALLY -- A SPEECH UNDER SALT

LAKE CITY CALLING DONALD TRUMP A

PHONY, A FRAUD, A CON ARTIST AND

NOT EVEN A GOOD BUSINESSMAN.

OUCH!

WHAT DO YOU THINK, IS HE GOING

TO HURT OR HEM WITH THOSE

COMMUNITIES.

>> LET'S SAY THAT BERNIE SANDERS

OR HILLARY CLINTON SAID THE SAME

THINGS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP IT

WOULD REINFORCE HIS FAITH AND BE

GOOD FOR THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO

VOTE FOR HIM IN THE PRIMARY.

SAME IS TRUE FOR MITT ROMNEY.

HE HELPED DONALD TRUMP MORE THAN

HE HURT HIM.

HE GOT WAGGED FOUR YEARS AGO,

FLAT OUT, THEY SAY HE RAN A BAD

CAMPAIGN AND LOST BADLY AND NOW

HE'S TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE

ELSE'S CAMPAIGN?

TWO, THEY, ACCORDING TO TRUMP U

TRUMP, TO TRUMP ENDORSED HIM

FOUR YEARS AGO, YOU CAN'T JUST

TURN THE PAGES ON THAT.

HE WAS NOT ALL THIS BAD FOUR

YEARS AGO WHEN I NEEDED HIS

ENDORSEMENT, BUT NOW HE'S

TERRIBLE?

HE HELPED DONALD TRUMP WAY MORE

THAN HE HURT DONALD TRUMP.

>> Ray: HE CERTAINLY DIDN'T HURT

HIM, BUT THAT'S A GIVEN BUT THE

QUESTION IS WOULD HE -- FIRST,

HE WAS RIGHT, PRETTY MUCH EVERY

WORD HE SAID, WHETHER HE SHOULD

HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR TRUMP'S

ENDORSEMENT FOUR YEARS AGO.

I THINK IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN

THE.

THE QUESTION REALLY BECOMES DOES

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY YOU KNOW,

NORMAL GROUP OF THE PEOPLE WHO

HAVE RUN IT FOR DECADES, DO THEY

STILL HAVE ENOUGH LEFT TO

DETERMINE AT THEIR CONVENTION

WHO THEIR NOMINEE IS GOING TO

BE?

AND PEOPLE FORGET, THESE PRIMARY

PROCESSES AREN'T REALLY SET UP

TO BE PURE DEMOCRACY.

THEY'RE THE PARTY SELECTING

THEIR OWN FOLKS.

I'M NOT DISCOUNTING THE FACT

THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SEEMS

TO BE IN A STATE OF -- NO

QUESTION ABOUT IT, ALL OF MY

REPUBLICAN FRIENDS ARE FLIPPED

OUT ABOUT IT AND I DON'T BLAME

THEM. BUT I WILL SAY ROMNEY --

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ROMNEY'S

IMPACT WILL BE IN TERMS OF

HEADING THEM OFF AT CONVENTION.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT ROMNEY DID

MUCH AT ALL.

I WAS HOME AND WATCHED THE

SPEECH AND WAY TOO LITTLE TOO

LATE AND HE DIDN'T SAY, ALL

RIGHT, WE HAVE TO RALLY BEHIND

THIS CANDIDATE.

THERE'S STILL THREE CANDIDATES

AND THEY'RE SPLITTING AGAINST

TRUMP AND SPLITTING THE VOTES

AND ROMNEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO

AMELIORATE THAT.

I THOUGHT HE JUST SEEMED LIKE

ESTABLISHMENT GUY.

I DON'T THINK --

>> Wendy: WELL, I WOULD LOVE --

THE SURE LOCK HOLMES FAN IN ME,

WOULD LOVE TO THINK THIS IS A

DIE BOLLICCAL GOP PLOT.

THAT TRIER TRYING TO DRIVE

VOTERS INTO THE TRUMP CAMP BY

MAKING HIM MORE APPEALING AND

THAT'S WHY THEY ROLLED OUT

SOMEONE LIKE MITT ROMNEY WHO WAS

SO INEFFECTIVE AS A CANDIDATE

FROM THE TIME -- I MEAN, THE END

OF THE FIRST DEBATE WHEN HE

ACTUALLY OUT-PERFORMED

EVERYONE'S EXPECTATIONS AND HAD

BARACK OBAMA, WHO IS A GREAT

DEBATER, HAD HIM ON THE RUN AND

FROM THAT MOMENT ON, WHAT WAS

HIS FAMOUS QUOTE.

THE 47%?

THIS IS THE GUY THEY'RE SERVING

UP TO THE RED MEAT POPULACE

VOTERS OF 2016?

>> YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO

ABOUT DONALD TRUMP IS THIS AND

DONALD TRUMP IS BAD.

BUT HERE'S AN EXAMPLE, YOU'RE

TELLING THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK THE

TIME TO GO OUT AND CAUCUS AND

VOTE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE

TALKING ABOUT.

>> Wendy: THE L.A. TIMES --

>> Charlie: LET'S SAY AS RAY

SAYS THEY GO TO THE CONVENTION

AND TRY AND MANIPULATE IT SO

THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE

IS THERE, THAT JUST MEANS

THAT -- TRUMP WILL RUN AS HEY

THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE.

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

>> WHEN I HEAR FOLKS WHO ARE

MODERATE AND IN THE CENTER, I

UNDERSTAND THAT -- I'M NOT SURE

THIS WAS SCRIPTED.

I THINK ROMNEY, WHATEVER YOU

THINK OF MITT ROMNEY AND I

DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM -- WELL, NO.

I DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM, BUT I'LL

SAY THIS, I THINK HE'S SINCERE.

I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHAT

THE TRADITIONAL MODERATE

BUSINESS REPUBLICAN CONSIDERS

DONALD TRUMP, LIKE A LOT OF

PEOPLE ON MY SIDE DO, TO BE A

PERSON WITH DICTATOR POTENTIAL.

I THINK HE'S A VERY --

>> Charlie: IF THAT'S TRUE, THEN

MITT ROMNEY SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD

TWO FUNDRAISERS AT TRUMP'S HOME

FOR USED DONALD TRUMP IN SIX

STATES FOR ROBOCALLS.

>> Wendy: I WOULD BE

DISAPPOINTED IN THE GRAND OLD

PARTY IF THEY DIDN'T THROW

EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE

KITCHEN THING E SINK AT THIS

GUY.

HE'S BEATING THE ESTABLISH ...

JEB BUSH, WHAT?

$100 MILLION, GONE!

AND HE -- DONALD TRUMP IS NOT

SPENDING ANY MONEY AND YET HE'S

STRIKING THIS CORD.

NATURALLY THEY'RE COMING AT HIM

WITH THE TALKING POINTS --

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

IF EVERYONE FROM BEN STEIN TO

JOHN McCAIN AND MITT ROMNEY

USED THE EXACT SAME DESCRIPTION.

>> Alvin: AND YOU SAID GRAND OLD

PARTY.

THE MAN, BASICALLY DIDN'T SHOUT

DOWN THE GRAND OLD WIZARD, DAVID

DUKE.

AND WHATEVER IT IS ABOUT HIM,

THIS IS NOT DICTATORSHIP, THIS

IS JESSE VENTURA.

>> Wendy: ANDREW JACKSON.

>> Alvin: REALLY?

>> Ray: I THINK MORE LIKE A

GEORGE WILL COMPARED TO HUEY

LONG.

>> Wendy: FROM BACK TO THE

FUTURE.

>> ARE YOU TELLING ME YOU THINK

DONALD TRUMP IS A REASONABLE

CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT?

>> Wendy: JOHN --

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

>> LET BILL SPEAK.

>> Bill: I DON'T THINK WE KNOW

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I KNOW I DON'T.

I WROTE JANUARY 1st, THAT

MONEY TRUMPED EVERYTHING,

INCLUDING TRUMP AND I WAS I

CONVINCED THAT JEB BUSH WOULD

GET EVERYTHING.

NO ONE SAW THIS COMING AND I

THINK WE ALL LOOK A LITTLE

SILLY.

>> Alvin: I THOUGHT --

>> Bill: EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED

WHEN WE DIDN'T SEE IT.

>> Charlie: WE DIDN'T WRITE THAT

COLUMN, SPEAK FOR YOURSELF?

ABOUT.

>> NONE OF WHOM SAW THIS COMING

AND NOW --

>> Alvin: I SAID HE'LL LAST

UNTIL SUPER TUESDAY AND THAT

WILL BE IT.

WELL, HE WON SUPER TUESDAY.

>> Wendy: FIRST OF ALL, 29 YEARS

ON THE SHOW --

>> BUT THIS ISN'T ABOUT

PREDICTIONING, I'M TALKING

ABOUT -- I DON'T WANT TO GO

THROUGH THE LITANY OF THINGS

THAT DONALD TRUMP IS SAYING AND

DOING ABOUT MEDIA AND WHETHER

IT'S BLACK, HISPANICS OR

WHATEVER.

I'M NOT MAKING A PREDICTION

HERE.

I AGREE, I THINK THE THEME OF

THIS WHOLE ELECTION CYCLE TO BE

AN OLD FIRE SIGN ALBUM WE HAD IN

COLLEGE, WHICH IS EVERYTHING WE

KNOW IT WRONG.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MORE YOU

KNOW FROM THE PAST, THE LESS YOU

CAN PREDICT.

I'M NOT SAYING THIS, I'M SAYING

THIS GUY HAS DICTATOR POTENTIAL

AND I BELIEVE THAT IN FROM THE

BOTTOM OF MY HEART.

>> Charlie: THE ILLINOIS PRIMARY

DATE IS THE 15th OF MARCH.

LET'S CONTINUE WITH YOU, BILL,

ABOUT --

>> I AGREE WITH YOU, RAY.

>> Charlie: YOU AGREE WITH

HIM --

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

>> Charlie: LET'S MOVE ALONG.

BILL, I THOUGHT IT WAS A

BOMBSHELL TODAY, OR MAYBE IT WAS

YESTERDAY, THAT THERE'S A

DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION BILL IN

WASHINGTON D.C. THAT CARVES OUT

ABOUT $800,000 FOR 182 ACRES FOR

THE TRANSFER OF THE NATIONAL

GEOSPATIAL AGENCY FROM SOUTH

ST. LOUIS.

IT DOESN'T SAY EXACTLY WHERE

THIS IS, BUT THE PROPERTY SET

ASIDE FOR THE NGA, NEAR SCOTT

AIR FORCE BASE IS 182 ACRES.

DOES THIS MEAN THAT ST. LOUIS'

GOOSE IS COOKED AND NORTH

ST. LOUIS WILL NOT BE THE SITE

OF THE NGA.

>> Bill: I PREDICTED THAT ON

JANUARY 1st, TOO.

>> Alvin: MR. KNOW IT ALL.

>> Bill: I'M BATTING 500.

I THINK IT'S ANOTHER BAD

INDICATION.

IT MAKES SENSE, I THINK, TO PUT

IT NEXTS TO SCOTT AIR FORCE

BASE.

AND IT'S CHEAPER FOR THE

GOVERNMENT AND IT'S MORE SPACE

AND THEY HAVE MORE CLOUT THAT

THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION.

DICK DURBIN BEATS LACY CLAY AND

I THOUGHT THAT LACY CLAY AND

PAUL MCGEE AND THEY WOULD COME

THROUGH, I THINK NOT.

THE ONLY GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE

CITY, I'VE BEEN WRONG ABOUT SO

MUCH IN THE NEW YEAR.

>> Ray: I THINK IT WOULD HAVE

BEEN BETTER FOR THE REGION.

AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH A

WORD YOU JUST SAID.

I THINK THE CITY IS VERY -- I

DON'T THINK THIS IS JUST AN

COINCIDENCE AND I THINK THAT THE

CITY -- I THINK IT'S LOOKING

GLOOMY FOR THE CITY.

I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR

THE REGION IN GENERAL BECAUSE

THE CITY IS IN SUCH DIFFICULT

STRAITSES BECAUSE AS YOU POINT

OUT, SCOTT IS PART OF THE

REGION.

IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE

END TIMES.

JUST ANOTHER BLOW TO THE CITY AT

A TIME IT DOESN'T NEED IT.

BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S

LOOKING -- WE'LL FIND OUT.

>> Wendy: RECENT MEMORY, RECENT

HISTORY TAUGHT US ANYTHING,

WISHING DOESN'T MAKE IT SO.

THIS IS SO FAR BEYOND

COINCIDENCE.

OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE GOING TO

SCOTT.

>> Alvin: ONCE AGAIN, YOU WANT

TO ASK, LIKE WHEN THE FOOTBALL

TEAM AND THAT WAS CIRCULATING

YEARS AGO, WHAT'S THE PLAN B.

NOW HERE WE ARE AGAIN, IT'S ON

PAPER, LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING

TO MOVE OVER THERE.

IF YOU ASK -- IN THE PAPER AND

HOLDING OUT HOPE, YOU KNOW WHAT?

IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE PROACTIVE,

WE GOT A PLAN FOR WHAT WE'RE

GOING TO DO, WE KNOW THIS IS

GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND IT WILLING APRIL 1st WHEN

THEY ANNOUNCE IT AND WE'LL ALL

BE SAD AGAIN AND MAYBE THEY CAN

BUILD THE SOCCER STADIUM WHERE

PRUITT ISLAND USED TO BE.

>> Charlie: MAKE NO MISTAKE,

IT'S SPRAWL AND ANOTHER BLOW TO

THE CITY.

$2 MILLION IN THE YEAR IN THE

EARNINGS TAX AND YOU DO WONDER

WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION,

SUPPOSEDLY INTERESTED IN, YOU

KNOW, MOVING PEOPLE BACK INTO

THE CITY, BECAUSE IN TERMS OF

TRANSPORTATION AND OTHER

MATTERS, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE

BIT INCONSISTENT FOR THE OBAMA

ADMINISTRATION TO MOVE THIS --

YOU KNOW, THIS DEFENSE SYSTEM

OUT INTO THE BUSHES.

THE BURBS.

>> Ray: A SENATOR FROM ILLINOIS.

>> Charlie: IT'S NOT THE URBAN

CORE.

>> Wendy: BUT IT'S AMBER WAVES

OF GRAIN IS WHAT IT IS.

>> Ray: HE WAS THE SENATOR FOR

ILLINOIS, OK.

AND INTERESTINGLY, I KIND OF

WONDER WHAT JAY NIXON -- HE WAS

SURE PROMINENT, THIS IS A

MISSOURI-ILLINOIS ISSUE AS WELL

AND JAY NIXON, I THINK AROUND A

BIT FOR THE RAMS' THING, HAS

NOT, AT LEAST PUBLICLY, BEEN

NEARLY AS ENGAGED IN KEEPING

THIS ASSET --

>> Charlie: ALL RIGHT.

I'M TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PAST

YEAR.

S, RAY, I WANT TO ASK YOU

ABOUT -- GO BACK TO COLUMBIA, I

KNOW THAT'S YOUR FAVORITE TOPIC.

YOUR ALMA MATER.

YOU'RE IN THE MIZZOU HALL OF

FAME, ARE YOU NOT.

>> Ray: NO.

>> Charlie: YOU, I WANT TO ASK

YOU ABOUT THE INTERIM VICE CLANS

CHANCELLOR WHO SAID THE

CONCERNED STUDENTS, 1950 WHO HAD

DEMANDS ABOUT INCREASING

MINORITY HIRING AMONG TEACHERS

AND DIVERSITY AND WANT STATUES

OF LLOYD GAINS ON CAMPUS, START

SHOWING UP AT MEETINGS AND START

TO COLLABORATE.

WE'RE TIRED OF YOUR DEMANDS.

>> HOWL ABOUT THAT.

>> Ray: IN MY OLD NEWSPAPER,

THEY REPORTED THAT -- AND I'M

SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE NAME OF

THE FOUNDER -- ONE OF THE

FOUNDERS, TOLD THEM HE'S BEEN

GOING TO THE MEETINGS AND SPOKE

WITH THE VICE CHANCELLOR AND

THAT THE COLUMBIA, MISSOURI,

MISREPORTED IN HIS MIND,

ACCORDING TO IT HIM, SAYING

WE'RE TIRED OF YOUR DEMANDS IN

THE MEDIA.

THEY WEREN'T SAYING DON'T MAKE

ANY DEMANDS, ALTHOUGH THE

INTERIM PRESIDENT DID SAY,

CLEARLY.

AND THAT'S GREAT.

I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE

POSITION AND SMART ONE FOR THEM

TO TAKE PUBLICLY.

YOU KNOW, THE STUDENTS, WHATEVER

YOU THINK OF WHAT HAPPENED IN

THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, HAD

THERE NOT BEEN DEMANDS AND THE

KIND OF ACTIVIST APPROACH,

NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED AND

I KNOW WHEN THERE WAS, 100 YEARS

AGO AT MIZZOU, AFRICAN AMERICANS

EXPRESSED A LOT OF THE SAME

UNEASE HOW THEY'RE HE ACCEPTED

ON CAMPUS AND THIS IS THE FIRST

MOVEMENT THEY'VE EVER GOTTEN AND

I'M SURE WE'D LOVE IT ALL TO

BE -- NOT TO BE AN ULTIMATUM.

>> Charlie: BUT DONATIONS ARE

DONE AND SO IS ENROLLMENT.

>> Ray: SO WHAT?

IS THAT THE --

>> Charlie: SO WHAT?

>> Ray: I THINK SO WHAT.

>> Charlie: TURNED OFF MORE

PEOPLE.

>> Ray: THAT'S TOUGH.

LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, WHEN

BOOSTERS DO THEIR ACTIVISM,

NOBODY SEEMS TO MIND IT.

>> Charlie: BOOSTERS AREN'T

GOING ON HUNGER STRIKES.

>> Wendy: YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

THE '60s, OK?

SORRY, THE '7 OH, NO OFFENSE.

THIS WAS KIND OF A FAR CRY WHEN

YOU HEAR THAT THE GRADUATE

STUDENT ON THE HUNGER STRIKE IS

THE SON OF AN $8 MILLION A YEAR

RAILROAD EXECUTIVE AND DOING HIS

GRADUATE WORK AND IF YOU HAVE

SUCH OPPRESSIVE RACIST

STRUCTURE, WHY IN THE WORLD

WOULD YOU SAY, WHEN YOU'RE BEING

TERRORIZED.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK ANYONE

REALLY BOUGHT THAT THE IOWA

PARTICULAR AS.

>> Alvin: WHEN WE WERE IN SCHOOL

IN THE LATE '70s, OK, THE

UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS [INAUDIBLE]

ONE OF THE FEW COLLEGES THAT

STILL DID.

AND LIKE I SAY, IF YOU'RE AT THE

UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS, I'M NOT

SAYING YOU'RE A WITCH, BUT THESE

WERE MOSTLY WHITE KID THAT'S LED

THAT MISSION AND I CAN'T LOOK AT

THEM AND SAY, YOU'RE FROM AN

AFFLUENCE FAMILY, PROBABLY GOT

MONEY.

>> Wendy: DO YOU REALLY THINK

THAT THE DEFEET OF HOMECOMING

PARADES AND WHETHER OR NOT THE

CHANCE LETTER AT THE TIME OR THE

UNIVERSITY SYSTEM PRESIDENT WAS

GOING TO GET OUT DURING A

HOMECOMING PARADE AND DISCUSS

GRIEVANCES, DOES THAT RISE TO

THE LEVEL OF APARTHEID?

IN MY MIND --

>> Alvin: OK, THEY DID THE

PARADE THING AND IT'S A

DEMONSTRATION AND IT HAPPENED.

I GET THAT.

THAT'S COLLEGE KIDSING ABOUT

COLLEGE KIDS.

I WOULD HAVE SAID, BRING THE

DEMANDS AND I'LL TAKE THAT

INTO -- YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATION.

AND BY THE WAY, YOU HAVE A D YOU

MIGHT WANTS TO DEMAND THAT YOU

STUDY MORE.

>> Bill: LET THE NEW

PRESIDENT --

>> Wendy: IN THE INTERIM

CHANCELLOR WERE THE ONES

FIELDING ALL OF THESE, IN TERMS

OF THE UPHEAVAL AND THE RESULT

OF THE UPHEAVAL.

>> Bill: I WAS A CAMPUS

EDITOR -- NO, I WAS.

I WANT TO SAY I WASN'T AFRICAN

AMERICAN AT THE TIME.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS

THAT STUDENT ACTIVISM IS A

IMPORTANT PART OF AN CAMPUS

ENVIRONMENT AND FOR SOMEONE TO

SAY, YOU'RE DEMANDS ARE --

>> ACCORDING TO THE

ADMINISTRATORS, IF THESE

STUDENTS HAD SHOWN UP AT THE

MEETINGS, THEY WOULD HAVE KNOWN

THAT MANY OF THEIR DEMANDS HAD

BEEN ENACTED UPON.

>> Ray: THE FACT OF THE MATTER

IS THAT -- THAT THIS IDEA THAT

SOMEHOW -- AND I DIDN'T LIKE ALL

THE LIST OF THEIR DEMANDS WHEN

THEY MADE THEM.

MY POINT IS THIS, THEY MADE AN

IMPACT AND MADE IT WITH THEIR

POWER --

>> Charlie: OK, LET'S MOVE ON.

WENDY WEISE.

I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A TOPIC

THAT APPARENTLY IS PRETTY

IMPORTANT TO GREECERS AND --

GROCERS AND CONVENIENCE STORE

OWNERS, PUTTING IN COOLER CASES

INSIDE OF THE STORE IN THE STATE

OF MISSOURI AND ALSO GROWLERS,

LIKE A SMALL KEG.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN NOTICE, BUT

YOU CAN IN COLORADO AND

WISCONSIN AND THE SMALL CRAFT

BREWERS SAY IF BIG BREWERS PUT

THEIR REFRIGERATED CASES IN THE

CONVENIENCE STORES, THAT WILL

KEEP THE CRAFT BEERS OUT.

WHO DO YOU STAND WITH.

>> Wendy: I STAND WITH THE HEIR

OF ANAANHEUSER-BUSCHE.

IN EARLIES THIS UPSIDE DOWN --

DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE WORLD WE'RE

LIVING IN.

IF IT WAS AD AND SOME

MICROBREWERIES TRYING TO HORN

IN, WE WOULD ALL BE, WHAT'S

WRONG WITH THOSE SUBVERSIVE

MICROBREWERIES.

BUT NOW THAT IT'S AB AND SOON TO

BE MILLER, WE'RE ALL FOR THE

LITTLE GUY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S

BILLY BUSCH.

THE BREWER OF KRAFTIG.

A MICROBREWER.

MOST OF THE MICRO BREWERS IN THE

STATE ARE AGAINST THEM FROM

BEING PUSHED OUT IN THE

CONVENIENCE STORES.

>> Alvin: I WILL STAND WITH THE

PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE BEER

100-GALLONS AT A TIME.

SORRY, PAY YOU A LOT OF MONEY --

COME ON IN.

CRAFT BEER PEOPLE, YOU CAN GO TO

FOREST PARK -- ALL THAT HAVE.

IT'S ALL YOURS.

BUT -- I'M SORRY.

IT'S ABOUT THE FREE ENTERPRISE

AND BUT THIS WHOLE BUY-IN, TO BE

ABLE TO GET LIKE A CUP OF BEER

OR SOME -- PUT BEER IN A THING

AND TAKE IT OUT WITH YOU.

>> Charlie: A COUPLE OF GALLONS.

YOU CAN DO IT IN U CITY.

THE ONLY PLACE IN THE STATE.

>> Alvin: THAT SEEMS LIKE WHAT

ARE YOU GOING DO WITH THE BEER

WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE

HIGHWAY.

>> Charlie: IN THE E.U., THEY

ALLOW THE REFRIGERATED CASES BUT

30% OF THEM HAVE TO GO TO A

COMPANY OTHER THAN THE ONE

PAYING FOR IT.

IF THE STATE --

>> Alvin: IF THE STATE SAID THAT

WAS THE LAW, I DON'T THINK THAT

WOULD STOP -- THEY'D STILL DO

IT.

IF THEY HAD 70% OF THE POOL, I

THINK THEY WOULD BE HAPPY.

>> Ray: I DON'T KNOW, IF YOU

TOOK AWAY THE FACT THAT I -- THE

CRAFT BEER AND THE BILLY BUSCHS

IN THE WORLD, I DON'T UNDERSTAND

WHY IT IS GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE

TELLING THE CONVENIENCE STORIES

WHAT KIND OF COOLERS THEY CAN

HAVE.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE A GREAT DEAL

OF SENSE.

TO ME.

BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I'M

ROOTING FOR THE LITTLE GUYS AT

THE SAME TIME.

>> Bill: BILLY BUSCH, THAT'S

WHERE I STAND.

>> Charlie: BY THE WAY, GOING TO

BE ON MY RADIO SHOW TOMORROW FOR

A SHAMELESS PLUG AND LET'S HOPE

HE BRINGS HIS PRODUCT.

HEY, I WANT TO ASK YOU AND AS I

WORK, I'LL BE PAYING THE 1%

EARNINGS TAX AND THAT ISSUE IS

IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS AGAIN IN

APRIL.

FOR SOME REASON, UPSTATE

LAWMAKERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT

IT.

ALL EMPLOYEES HAVE TO PAY 1% OF

THEIR SALARY TO THE CITY AND IT

IT'S AT THE BALLOT BOX IN APRIL.

DO YOU THINK THE LAWMAKERS ARE

REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CITY

OF ST. LOUIS?

>> Ray: SURE THEY ARE, THEY'VE

ALWAYS BEEN COMPASSIONATE ABOUT

THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY.

AND I'M SURE THAT WHAT WAS

CONTRIBUTED THIS WEEK, NONE OF

IT WILL COME THEIR WAY.

NO, I WAS REALLY MUSED -- FIRST

OF ALL, NO ONE LIKES ANY TAX,

OK?

AND IT'S GOING TO PUT THE CITY

AT A COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE TO

THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES, WHICH

IS WHY IT'S INTERESTING THAT

LEGISLATORS WHO PURPORT TO

REPRESENT THE SURROUNDING

COUNTIES THAT BENEFIT FROM THE

PROBLEMS CAUSED BY THE TAX ARE

INDIGNANT WHAT IT'S DOING THO TO

THEIR REGION.

IT WAS ONE FROM BALLWIN, AND

ANOTHER ONE -- I DON'T KNOW --

BASICALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE JOB

LOSS THAT WOULD BE COMING TO

THEIR CONSTITUENTS.

I THINK THAT GIVEN IT'S A THIRD

OF THE CITY'S BUDGET, THAT'S

GENERATED BY THE CITY EARNINGS

TAX.

IF THEY WANT TO EXERCISE THEIR

RIGHT TO BLOW IT UP, HE'S GOT A

THINK TANK AND MAYBE OFFER SOME

ALTERNATIVES BEFORE WE THROW THE

CITY'S BUDGET --

>> Charlie: FIVE YEARSA HE WAS

IN FAVOR OF A REDEVELOPMENT HE

FEELS JOBS CAN MOVE BUT PROPERTY

CAN'T AYE THINK HE'S WRONG ABOUT

THAT AND ONE OTHER THING, AS

MUCH AS IT'S NOT POPULAR, THE

FACT IS THAT PEOPLE, A

DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF

PEOPLE, COME TO THE DOWNTOWN AND

WORK AND THEY EXPECT ALL OF THE

SERVICES OF THE CITY.

THE POLICE AND FIRE AND THE

STREETS AND THIS IS THE WAYS TO

PAY FOR IT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT ALL OF.

>> Bill: UNLESS THERE'S A WAY

THAT THE COUNTY COULD HELP THE

CITY'S BUDGET, YOU HAVE TO HAVE

THIS.

>> Alvin: I AGREE, LOOKING AT

FINANCIAL DISASTER BUT I THINK

THERE'S TIMES -- WE HAVE TO VOTE

ON THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS.

I GET THAT.

BUT AT A TIME WHERE WHAT IS 0

GOING ON IN THE CITY OF

ST. LOUIS, IT MIGHT BE THE LAST

THING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, IS

CUTTING REVENUE FROM THE CITY OF

ST. LOUIS.

NO MATTER WHAT WE THINK ABOUT

TAXES OR WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF WE

TAKE IT AWAY.

IF WE TAKE IT AWAY OVER 10 YEARS

DEBATE.

>> Charlie: THOSE 3,000

EMPLOYEES AT THE NGA ARE ALL

GOING TO GET A PAY INCREASE AS

SOON AS THEY MOVE TO ILLINOIS

AND THAT'S --

>> Ray: THEY LIVE IN THE CITY OF

ST. LOUIS, THE EARNINGS TAX

FOLLOWS THEM.

>> Charlie: FIRST, LET'S FIND

OUT WHAT THE VIEWERS HAD TO SAY,

YOU HAD TO SAY ABOUT LAST WEEK'S

PROGRAM.

WHEN OUR DAUGHTER WAS A GIRL

SCOUT 20 YEARS AGO, I WAS MAZED

HOW ANTI-MALE THEIR LEADERSHIP

HAS BECOME.

FROM WHAT I'VE READ IT'S ONLY

GOTTEN WORSE.

THE NEXT TIME KEVIN JACKSON IS

ON, I WISH SOMEONE WOULD ASK HIM

HOW HE HE INTENDS TO IMPROVE THE

ROADS AND BRIDGES -- YOU CAN

WRITE US CARE OF 3655 OLIVE

STREET, ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI

63108.

WE ALSO LIKE THOSE EMAILS,

LETTERS AT @KETC.ORG AND THOSE

TWEETS AT #DONNYBROOKSTL.

STAY TUNED FOR "DONNYBROOK, YOUR

TURN."

RAY AND WENDY WILL BE TAKING

YOUR PHONE CALLS.

THE REST OF US WILL SEE YOU NEXT

WEEK AT THIS TIME.

DON'T GO AWAY.

>> "DONNYBROOK" IS MADE POSSIBLE

THROUGH THE GENEROUS SUPPORT OF

THE MEMBERS OF KETC.