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>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US,

IT'S COLD OUTSIDE BUT,

HOPEFULLY, WE'LL WARM YOU UP

WITH OUR HOT TOPICS AND WARM

PERSONALITIES.

THANKS TO EVERYONE AT THE

GATESWORTH FOR MAKING THIS

PROGRAM POSSIBLE AS YOU DO WEEK

IN AND WEEK OUT.

A BIG SHOUT-OUT.

LET'S MEET THE PANELISTS JOINING

US FOR THE PROGRAM TONIGHT.

STARTING WITH THE MEDIA VETERAN

HERSELF, WENDY WEISE.

FROM THE POST-DISPATCH AND STL

STLMAG.COM BILL McCLELLAN, AND

FROM ST. LOUIS MAGAZINE RAY

HARTMANN AND FROM STLMAG.COM AND

BEYOND, ALVIN REID.

I WANT TO ASK YOU FIRST OF ALL,

WELCOME BACK AFTER A WEEK'S AND

SENSE.

CHANGES IN THE RESTAURANT SCENE

IN DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS WITH MIKE

SHANNON'S HAVING BEEN IN

DOWNTOWN FOR 30 OR SOME YEARS

ANNOUNCING ITS GOING TO SHUTTER

ITS DOORS AND THE SAME IS TRUE

FOR HARRY'S, BEEN AROUND FOR 25

YEARS.

A LOT OF YOU THINKING IT'S

BECAUSE OF BALLPARK VILLAGE.

>> I GIVE MAYOR SLAY A LOT OF

CREDIT.

TALKING ABOUT TAX SUBSIDIES AND

THOUGHT IT COULD TRANSFORM

DOWNTOWN.

I'M AFRAID IT HAS.

[LAUGHTER]

THE BALLPARK ISN'T THE ONLY

THING, CRIME DOWNTOWN, AND I

THINK DOLLARS SHANNON AND DAN

HARRY, BOTH FELT THAT.

>> MILE 277, LIKE SUNSET HILL,

THEY'RE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS,

SAYING THE IMPACT, I THOUGHT

THAT WAS --

>> I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE --

BUT I WILL SAY THAT PLACES THAT

HAVE BEEN THERE FOR LITERALLY

DECADES AND WITHIN TWO YEARS OF

BALLPARK VILLAGE OPENING THEY'RE

SHUTTERING THE PLACES.

THERE'S GOT TO BE A CONNECTION

BETWEEN THE TWO.

WHEN -- WHAT I FIND DISCONSUMER

ALERTING, IF IT'S THE CARDINALS

THAT ARE REMOTELY IN ANY KIND OF

WAY INVOLVED IN SOMETHING TO BE

LOOKED UPON NEGATIVELY,

INSTANTLY, OH, NO, IT'S NOT

BALLPARK VILLAGE, IT'S THIS AND

THAT, AND CRIME IS ONE OF THOSE

THINGS -- IT'S PART OF IT BUT

THE WHOLE THING -- NO, THAT --

NO, THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS.

I'M NOT BUYING THAT.

>> I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT

THIS, MIKE SHANNON'S AND HIS

RESTAURANT, WONDERFUL

INSTITUTION, INDEPENDENT OF ONE

ANOTHER, MIKE SHANNON ANNOUNCED

HE'S CUTTING DOWN AND THEN THE

RESTAURANT, WHICH IS A FINE

RESTAURANT AND HARRY'S, ALSO AN

INSTITUTION AND A GREAT RUN, YOU

HAVE TO REMEMBER ONE THING --

RESTAURANTS GENERALLY AND BARS

WEREN'T BUILT TO LAST FOREVER.

IF YOU START A RESTAURANT, IT'S

GOT LESS THAN A LIFE

EXPECTANCY -- AND 25 YEARS, 23

FOR HARRY'S IT WAS A GREAT RUN

WITH GREAT OWNERSHIP AND

MANAGEMENT, THE BALLPARK

VILLAGE, I WAS AGAINST THE

SUBSIDY, BUT IT'S DANGEROUS TO

START TRYING TO SATELLITE ANY

PARTICULAR RESTAURANT.

LIKE YOU SAY, RICKWOOD.

>> I THINK THERE ARE A LOT --

KIRKWOOD.

>> TALKING ABOUT CRIME BEING ONE

OF THE FACTORS, YES, CRIME BEING

A FACTOR BUT IT'S HARD REALLY TO

BE CLEAR, TO SAY, WELL, THE

RESTAURANT DIED BECAUSE OF

BALLPARK VILLAGE.

>> PLACES GENERALLY DO WELL FOR

A BALLGAME.

THE CARDINALS HAVE 81 GAMES A

YEAR AND THAT'S A BIG BOOST TO

LOCAL BUSINESSES AND WHEN YOU

HAVE A PLACE THAT GOES WITH

THAT, TAKES AWAY FROM A

SHANNON'S OR HARRY'S --

>> I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A

VARIETY OF REASONS WHY SHANNON'S

IS CLOSING AND HIS DAUGHTER,

PAT, HIGHLY THOUGHT OF IN THE

COMMUNITY, SHE SAID THEY'RE

GOING AFTER THEIR -- THEIR --

THE FRANCHISE IN TERMS OF THE

SHANNON'S GRILL AND AS A THAT

KIND OF THING BUT FOR 30 YEARS,

TO HAVE A RESTAURANT 30 YEARS IN

A DOWNTOWN AREA, THAT'S

REMARKABLE.

AND HE WAS -- I MEAN, IT WAS ALL

ABOUT DOING THE BROADCAST AFTER

THE GAME FOR HIM.

SO HE'S SLOWING DOWN A LITTLE

BIT AND EARNED THE REST.

>> I THINK SO FOR SHUFFLE I

AGREE WITH RAY, AT THE RISK OF

BORING EVERYBODY BECAUSE WE'RE

AGREEING, YOU KNOW, COMPETITION

IS GOOD, I JUST DON'T THINK THE

COMPETITION SHOULD BE SUBSIDIZED

AND WE DO THAT TOO MUCH.

THERE WAS TAX INCREMENT

FINANCING FOR BALLPARK VILLAGE

AND WE CAN AGREE IT WASN'T

NECESSARY.

>> THAT'S CLEAR.

YOU CAN'T GO IN AND -- BY THE

WAY, IF YOU WANT TO BE MAD, I

DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW, ANYONE

HAS A REAL APPETITE IN THIS TOWN

TO BE BEATEN UP, THE ST. LOUIS

CARDINALS OR BLUES RIGHT NOW.

SO RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK --

IF YOU WANT TO BE DOWN ON

BALLPARK VILLAGE --

>> THERE ARE RESTAURANTS IN

CLAYTON THAT CLOSED.

LIKE ONE OF OUR FAVORITE,

JIMMY'S CLOSED ON JANUARY 4th.

SO --

>> THEY DO THAT.

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

>> THEY COME AND GO, THAT'S WHAT

THEY DO.

>> THAT'S THE OTHER THING,

BALLPARK VILLAGE, AT LEAST I WAS

TOLD, CAME TO THE LOCAL

OPERATORS TO GET THEM TO TAKE

SOME OF THESE ENORMOUS -- IT WAS

LIKE 35 BUCKS A FOOT AND A LOT

OF TIMES PEOPLE WERE UPSET, THEY

HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THERE

AND I'VE NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY IT

WOULD WORK FOR A NATIONAL

OPERATOR AND NOT A LOCAL

OPERATOR BUT THEY REALLY DID TRY

TO GET THE LOCAL FOLKS BEFORE

THE NATIONAL.

>> ALVIN REID, SPEAKING OF

RESTAURANTS, JOHN SARACINO,

WHO -- MICHAEL SARACINO, WHOSE

UNCLE OWNED CHRISTMAS PANCAKES

WAS SENTENCED TO TWO YEARS IN

FEDERAL PRISON BY A JUDGE WHO

ANNOUNCED THAT THE COUNTY

EXECUTIVE STENGER AND POLICE

CHIEF, DON BELL FAR -- BELMAR

WROTE LETTERS TO THE JUDGE

URGING LENIENCY AND CAUSED A

FEWEFUROR AND ASKED BOTH OFFICIALS

TO WRITE LETTERS ON BEHALF OF

HIS NEPHEW.

DO YOU THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE

HE RESIGN FROM OFFICE?

>> I THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE,

AND I THINK IT WAS TOTALLY

INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE POLICE

CHIEF TO WRITE A LETTER.

YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR LENIENCY

AND THEN THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE

WHO I GUESS APPOINTED THE

GENTLEMAN TO THE JOB AND A

SUPPORTER, THIS IS JUST -- THIS

IS SCANDALOUS ON ITS OWN.

BUT LET'S TURN BACK THE CLOCK

TWO YEARS AGO AND THE SITTING

COUNTY EXECUTIVE HAD ONE OF HIS

MAIN STAFFERS RESIGN BECAUSE HE

WAS SUPPORTING THE STAFFER'S SON

WHO HAD BEEN CONVICTED OF A

FELONY DRUG CHARGE, THIS WOULD

BE THE ATOM BOMB OF -- ATOMIC

BATON ROUGE OF SCANDALS.

AND TO DISMISS --

>> YOU'RE SAYING IT COULD HAPPEN

ON DULY'S WATCH --

>> IT'S HORRIBLE IT HAPPENS ON

ANYONE'S WATCH.

>> I DON'T KNOW.

>> I THINK WE HAVE ALL -- WE ALL

HAVE NIECES AND NEPHEWS WE WOULD

DO ANYTHING FOR.

THE FACT THAT MR. SARACINO SAID

IT'S BEEN GROSSLY MISCONSTRUED.

$130,000, CONSTITUENT RELATION,

BUT WHEN YOU'RE PART OF A

GOVERNMENT, YOU HAVE TO

UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPEARANCE

OF IMPROPRIETY IS A VERY,

VERY --

>> IN THE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS, IF

THEY HAD -- IF THEY HAD

INTERFERED WITH THE ARREST, I

COULD SEE THAT, BUT ONCE THE

SENTENCING IS -- EVERYBODY IS

INVITED TO WRITE A LETTER,

CONNECTED AND NOT CONNECTED AND

IT'S NOT NECESSARY THAT THE

JUDGE READ THE LETTER BUT ANYONE

CAN WRITE A LETTER.

I'VE DONE IT, YOU'VE PROBABLY

DONE IT.

>> CHARLEY --

>> FIRST OF ALL, I -- I DON'T

SEE THE SCANDAL IN THIS AT ALL,

ON ANYONE'S PART AND BY THE WAY

CHARLEY APPOINTED SARACINO TO

THE POLICES FOR.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S SCANDALOUS.

>> [INAUDIBLE] UNDER ARREST?

NO, I'M SAYING, JOHN SARACINO, I

DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT JOHN

SARACINO, A LONG STAY ON THE

POLICE FORCE, IT'S A NEWS STORY

IF SOMEONE UP FOR FEDERAL

SENTENCING DOESN'T GET LETTERS

WRITTEN FOR THEM.

AND I'M WITH YOU, IF STENGER OR

BELMAR HAD MEDDLED AND BEHIND

THE SCENES AND THE POST-DISPATCH

FOUND OUT, YOU'VE GOT A GREAT

STORY.

IT'S NEWS, BUT IT'S NOT

SCANDALOUS, IT'S OPEN AND

TRANSPARENT AND I WANT TO SAY

THIS, AS FAR AS BELMAR SAID, HE

DID NOT ASK FOR LENIENCESY, HE

SAID I'M ASKING -- LENIENCY, I'M

ASKING IN FOR OF THE FAMILY.

>> THE LETTERS WERE SEALED.

ASKED THE JUDGE TO UNSEAL THE

LETTERS.

I THOUGHT IT WAS SCANDALOUS AND

BELMAR WROTE ON BEHALF OF THIS

YOUNG MAN WHO WAS ARRESTED ON A

DRUG CHARGE.

IT WASN'T JUST DRUGS, HE HAD

FIRE-BOMBED A HOUSE.

AND --

>> I FOUND FAULT WITH THE JUDGE,

WHO I LIKED BUT FOUND FAULT WITH

HER FOR ALLOWING THE DEFENDANT,

DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO HIS WEDDING

AT CAPTIVA ISLAND, SOMETIMES

THESE FEDERAL JUDGES --

>> FIRST, I DON'T THINK I DON'T

DISAGREE WITH THE LAST THING YOU

SAID ABOUT THE JUDGE, BUT KEEP

IN MIND, AMONG THE PEOPLE

CALLING FOR LENIENCY, WAS THE

GOVERNMENT AND THE ARRESTING

FOLKS BECAUSE -- THEY ASKED FOR

A HEAVIER SENTENCE THAN HE GOT,

RAY, AND THEY -- AND THEY

SPECIFICATIONALLY TALKED ABOUT

THE LETTER IN A NEGATIVE WAY.

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

>> IT IS TRUE, THAT SOMEONE IN

THE SYNDICATE FIRE-BOMBED

SOMEONE'S HOUSE BUT THE YOUNG

MAN WASN'T CHARGED WITH THAT --

LET ME SPEAK.

HE WAS CHARGED WITH POSSESSING

MARIJUANA WHICH MOST PEOPLE ON

THIS PANEL SEEM TO THINK IT'S AN

OK THING.

AND WHY IS IT THAT HE'S BEING

CRUCIFIED FOR DOING WHAT IS

ACTUALLY LEGAL IN COLORADO

AND --

>> THE QUESTION WASN'T WHETHER

HE WAS INVOLVED IN SELLING POT.

I COULD CARE LESS.

THE FIRE-BOMBING THING IS A

SERIOUS THING BUT ONCE YOU'RE

CONVICTED OF SOMETHING, I DON'T

LIKE THE IDEA OF THE CHIEF OF

POLICE WRITING A LETTER TO THE

JUDGE THAT THIS IS A GREAT

FAMILY AND -- AND STEVE STENGER,

THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE ASKING FOR

LENIENCY.

>> IT'S PART OF PROCESS, I DARE

YOU TO FIND A FEDERAL OTHER

STATE CASE IN SENTENCING WHEN

LETTERS WEREN'T WRITTEN.

>> HERE'S THE POINT --

>> HERE'S PEOPLE WHO HAVE

WRITTEN LETTERS.

MAYA ANGELOU --

>> THIS IS WHY THIS IS

SCANDALOUS, CHARLIE, THEY'RE NOT

WRITING LETTERS FOR LENIENCY,

BUT ONLY BECAUSE IT'S THEIR

BUDDY AND PAL.

THEY PROBABLY WON'T WRITE

ANOTHER LETTER OF LENIENCY FOR

ANYONE.

A 75-YEAR-OLD WOMAN WHO SOLD A

DIME BAG --

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

>> ALVIN, YOU WRITE THEM FOR

YOUR FRIENDS --

>> STOP, BY THE WAY --

>> I UNDERSTAND, BILL'S POINT,

BUT I THINK -- I DO UNDERSTAND

THAT, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT

THE CONNECTION IT MIGHT BE TO

YOUR POINT, HE WASES A POLICE

COMMISSIONER AND YOU'VE GOT A

POLICE OFFICIAL, I UNDERSTAND

THAT, BUT I ALSO THINK -- KEEP

IN MIND SOMETHING ELSE, THE HEAD

OF THE POLICE UNION IS TRYING TO

MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF THIS, IS

COURAGELY NEGOTIATING -- HE SAID

SOMETHING ABOUT BEMMAR.

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

A VOTE OF NO CONVERSATION ABOUT

BELMAR, DON'T -- OTHER THAN THIS

STORY, DO WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE

UPSET ABOUT?

>> I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'LL SAY

THIS --

>> IF -- HE'S GOT TO STOP.

>> BUT THE UNION -- THE UNION

PRESIDENT IS USING IT AS PART

OF --

>> IF BLACK LIVES MATTER SAY

THEY HAVE NO CONVERSATION IN THE

CHIEF, I CAN SEE WHY THEY SAID

THAT.

>> I WROTE A LETTER ON BEHALF OF

[INAUDIBLE]

>> SO WHAT?

NO ONE CARES ABOUT THAT.

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

>> I DID IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT

SOME OF HIS WORK WITH THE --

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

>> A SUPERSTAR BUT YOU'RE NOT AN

ELECTED GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL.

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

>> ALL THE TIME AND BY THE WAY,

STENGER HAS A GUY, THE ACTUAL

DEFENDANT --

>> IT'S NOT A SCANDAL.

>> FINAL WORD, IF THE KID DID

THE CRIME, HE SHOULD DO THE TIME

BUT ANYONE IS ALLOWED TO WRITE A

LETTER TO A JUDGE.

IT'S THE JUDGE -- IF THE JUDGE

TAKES MONEY OR SOMETHING, THAT'S

ANOTHER THING.

>> WHAT HE -- LIMBAUGH DOWN

THERE, WRITING A LETTER,

EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE HELPED

SOMEONE, ALWAYS SCRUTINIZED.

BUT -- BUT FOR SOME IT'S A-OK IN

ST. LOUIS COUNTY.

>> I WILL SAY --

[SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]

>> ALL RIGHT, GOT TO -- GOT TO

MOVE ON, GUYS, TO WENDY WEISE

WITH A FRONT PAGE STORY IN THE

"THE NEW YORK TIMES" ABOUT A

ST. LOUIS COUPLE HERE ON THE EVE

OF THE 43rd ANNIVERSARY OF THE

ROE V. WADE DECISION.

THIS COUPLE, NOW DIVORCED,

CREATED EMBRYOS WHILE THEY WERE

MARRIED AND NOW THEY'RE DIVORCED

AND SHE WANTS TO PROCREATE WITH

THEM, HE WANTS THEM DISCARDED

BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT HER TO

GIVE BIRTH TO HIS PROGENY.

>> I KEEP THINKING OF THE LATE

GREAT FICTION WRITER MICHAEL

CITEN SAID, JUST BECAUSE --

CREGHTON SAID JUST BECAUSE WE

CAN, SHOULD WE?

THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T A ACT --

THAT IT WAS A ACRIMONIOUS

DIVORCE, COMES INTO PLAY AND THE

FACT THAT THE EMBRYOS ARE

CONSIDERED MARITAL PROPERTY,

THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MOMENT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND AND, OF

COURSE, A SCIENTIST WOULD GIVE

YOU A MUCH BETTER DESCRIPTION OR

DEFINITION BUT TO MY MIND, THIS

BATCH OF EMBRYOS CREATED

CHILDREN, THIS COUPLE, TO

BASICALLY SAY, MY SCOURING PAD,

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT PETRI

DISH -- I THINK IT'S GRIZZLY.

>> I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF

THAT.

BUT -- BUT, I MEAN, IT'S A VERY

DEEPLY PERSONAL EMOTIONAL

RELIGIOUS ISSUE.

AND I HAVE NO DESIRE TO ARGUE

YOU'RE WRONG, OTHER THAN THAT I

DON'T THINK IN IT CASE THE LAW

SHOULD APPLY TO PEOPLE WHO MIGHT

NOT SHARE YOUR VIEWS.

BUT THE GENERAL ISSUE OF

EMBRYONIC STEM CELLS, IT COMES

DOWN TO WHETHER YOU CONSIDER THE

EMBRYOS TO BE HUMAN BEINGS OR

NOT.

BUT IN THIS CASE, IT'S

COMPLICATED BY A CONTRACT.

I HAPPEN TO SIDE WITH THE DAD

BEING RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH THAT HE

DOESN'T WANT HIS ESTRANGED,

ACRIMONIOUS DIVORCE, THAT HE

DOESN'T WANT HER TO HAVE HIS

CHILDREN AND I SIDE WITH HIM,

BUT THEN THERE'S THE OTHER

QUESTION WHETHER HE HAD AGREED

TO IT OR NOT, WHICH MAKES IT A

COMPLICATED CASE BECAUSE I AGREE

WITH THE ATTORNEY SAID REALLY

YOU SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN

YOU ENTER INTO ONE OF THESE.

BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG PART OF

THIS CASE, WHETHER HE AGREED TO

IT OR NOT.

>> ANOTHER TOPIC, BILL, THE

STATE AUDITOR, NICOLE GALLOWAY,

RECENTLY ISSUED AN AUDIT ON THE

RECORDER.

DEEDS AND MISDEEDS, SHARON

CARPENTER SAYING SHE BOUGHT A

$2,700 RUG FOR HER OFFICE,

DIDN'T KEEP TRACK OF EMPLOYEE

VACATION TIME.

DIDN'T KEEP THE MILES ON THE CAR

THAT WAS ISSUED TO HER.

AND ISSUED ABOUT $200,000 OF

IMPROVEMENTS IN NO GOOD

CONTRACT -- NO-BID CONTRACTS.

DO YOU THINK SHE'S IN TROUBLE?

>> NO, NO, ADMITTEDLY I LIKE

SHARON CARPENTER, MY ONLY GRUDGE

IS I THINK SHE'S AT AN AGE WHERE

SHE SHOULD HAVE RETIRED AND

LIVED ON A PENSION.

AS FAR AS THE AUDIT, THERE

WASN'T MUCH NEW THERE.

NOT KEEPING TRACK OF HER

EMPLOYEES' VACATION, AS AN

EMPLOYEE, GOOD FOR SHARON.

THE MAIN THING I LOOK AT THAT

AUDIT AND THINK, WE'VE SPENT

$16 MILLION ON THIS GOOFY

STADIUM PROJECT, AND NOTHING'S

EVER GOING TO COME OF IT.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT.

>> AND YET PEOPLE GOT HUNDREDS

OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND

SPENT $16 MILLION AND EVERYBODY

IS TRYING TO SAY, LET'S FORGET

ABOUT THIS AND MOVE ON AND DAVE

PEACOCK DID A WONDERFUL JOB AND

BOB, AND NOW WE'RE AFTER SHARON

CARPENTER FOR A $2,700 RUG.

I DON'T GET IT.

>> THAT'S HARD TO ARGUE, BUT

SHE'S A RECORDER AND ATTENTION

TO DETAIL IS BENEFICIAL.

AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU HAVE

FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN

ALLEGEDLY ACCORDING TO THE

AUDIT, FROM THE RECORD

RESTORATION ACT AND THEY TURN

INTO CARPETING OR ENTERTAINMENT

OR FURNISHINGS OR DECORATIONS, I

LOVE A NICE DECORATED OFFICE AS

MUCH AS ANYONE ELSE.

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> BUT THIS IS -- YOU KNOW, THIS

IS THE RECORDER OF DEEDS.

SO YEAH, PLEASE FOLLOW THE

LETTER OF THE LAW.

AND BE -- FUNDS HAVE BEEN --

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS SILLY TO

HAVE A $2,700 CARP ETC. ON THE

FRONT PAGE OF THE PAPER.

>> I ONLY FEEL A LITTLE, I FELT

KIND OF -- JUST SAD WHEN ONE OF

OUR BIG SCANDALS -- CAN DO

BETTER THAN THAT.

MAYBE BECAUSE I WOULD NOT

NORMALLY AGREE, BUT BECAUSE IT'S

SO FRESH AFTER THIS STADIUM --

LIKE WE'RE STARTING TO SEE --

SOME GUY, I GUESS HE USED TO

WORK FOR A CONGRESSMAN, GOT

$75,000 FOR DESIGNING A MINORITY

EMPLOYMENT PLAN, WHATEVER IT

WAS, AND BLESS THEIR HEARTS HOW

HARD THEY WORK, $900,000 AND

WHEN WE'RE FRESH OFF THIS

PAINFUL STADIUM ISSUE, IT REALLY

IS HARD TO BE TALKING ABOUT A

$2,700 RUG.

>> I WILL SAY THIS, HE HAS --

HAD TO RESIGN AND THEN RUN AGAIN

AND WON, IF I HAD BEEN IN THE

OFFICE THAT LONG AND AN AUDIT

WAS DONE ON ME AND THIS IS ALL

OF THE SOUND, IT WOULD NOT BE A

STORY.

IT'S A STORY BECAUSE OF THE

BAGGAGE.

>> RAY HARTMANN, LET ME MOVE ON

TO YOU, LAST WEEK WE TALKED

ABOUT THE TEAM LEAVING

ST. LOUIS.

BUT NOW SUING BECAUSE THEY

BELIEVE THEY HAVE CONTRACTS

BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY PAID

MONEY FOR A TEAM THAT'S SUPPOSED

TO BE HERE.

DO YOU THINK THEY'LL WIN IN

COURT.

>> NO, BUT I'M ROOTING FOR THEM

PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE

INTERESTED IN MAKING A CLASS

ACTION LAWSUIT.

AND I WOULD BE HAPPY IN ANY PART

OF MY MONEY CAME BACK TO ME AS A

MATTER OF PRINCIPLE.

FOR THE DEPART, FOOTBALL TEAM.

I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE MUCH OF

A CHANCE BUT I THINK THEY HAVE

AT LEAST A -- BECAUSE I DON'T

THINK THEY DO.

BUT THEY HAVE AN INTERESTING

ARGUMENT WHICH IS WE BOUGHT IT

IN 1995 THINKING WE HAD THE

RIGHTS TO OUR SEAT FORCE 30

YEARS AND ONE WOULD HAVE

EXPECTED THAT IF THEY HAVE HAD

FOUND -- NOW, I -- .

>> SUE THE NFL OR --

>> I THINK THE TEAM.

I THINK YOU'D SAY THE TEAM WAS

THE ONE -- THE RAMS, THE PSL AND

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO WIN

BUT I LIKE THE SPIRIT OF IT.

>> THE THING ABOUT THAT, THE

PSLs WERE USED TO PAY OFF THE

BOND IN ANAHEIM, CALIFORNIA AND

NO ONE IS PAYING OFF OR BONDS,

ARE THEY?

>> NO, THEY'RE NOT.

THIS CLASS ACTION -- HERE WE

ARE, LIKE YOU SAID, OH, YEAH,

LET'S GET $1,000, MEANWHILE,

EVERYBODY SAID, WE GOT IT FOR

$16 MILLION BUT PEOPLE WANT A

COUPLE OF THOUSAND BACK.

WE'RE ALL FOR THEM.

FIGURE OUT WHERE THE

$16 MILLION WENT.

GOD BLESS THEM WHO HAVE THE PSL,

THE RIGHT TO BUY SOMETHING?

I DON'T GET THAT.

>> I'M -- CONTRADICT MY OVERALL

THEME ON THIS, WE NEED TO MOVE

ON AND STOP THE PITY PARTY AND

MOVE AHEAD AND REALIZE WE NEVER

HAD A TEAM.

IT WAS A ECHO CHAMBER.

>> DID YOU READ HARRY POTTER?

>> I'M GETTING THROUGH --

>> I PROPOSE THAT THE RAMS

BECOME THE LORD VOLTEMOR OF THE

CITY.

>> ALVIN REID --

>> DOUBLED THE PRICE ALREADY.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> I WANT TO ASK YOU, ALVIN,

ABOUT A COLUMN IN THE

POST-DISPATCH BY THE FOOD WRITER

WHO WROTE ABOUT DOGS HE SAW AT A

GREAT BREWERY IN THE GROVE AND

UPSET THAT ONE OF THEM EUROPEAN

NATURED ON THE FLOOR AND -- YOUR

HONOR NATUREAND URINATED ON THE FLOOR.

WE LIVE IN A WORLD WITH

CREATURES THAT HAVE BODILY

FUNCTIONNESS.

>> I THINK YOU PUT YOURSELF IN

THE PLACE OF THE PERSON, NOT

CRIME AND HORROR, BUT I'M AT THE

EVENT, SITTING HERE WITH A DOG,

ON THE FLOOR, NOBODY CLEANS IT

UP.

THIS GUY RATTING PEOPLE OUT OR

JUST LET IT GO.

I THINK DOGS REALLY SHOULDN'T BE

INSIDE A RESTAURANT.

OUTSIDE, IS OK.

I LOVE DOGS, I LOVE DOGS.

BUT IF YOU CALLED THE HEALTH

DEPARTMENT, I'D RETURN THE CALL

BUT I DON'T THINK I'D SEND THE

HEALTH SWAT TEAM.

YOU KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW, IT'S.

>> IT'S A PART OF NATURE, YOU

DON'T WANT IT IN THE KITCHEN.

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> PEOPLE HAVE DOGS IN THEIR

HOME, SOME PEOPLE HAVE LIKE

THREE CATS AND ONE DOG.

IT'S LIKE NOAH'S ARK.

>> SO SOMEONE IS GOING TO BRING

THEIR QUARTER HORSE NEXT.

THIS IS GOOFY.

IT DOESN'T BELONG IN --

>> YOU GO TO HOMES WHERE PEOPLE

HAVE TOGS.

-- DOGS.

>> THEIR DOG COULD JUMP ON THE

TABLE AND EAT PART THE DINNER

AND I WOULDN'T BE OFFENDED BUT

IF I'M HOW TO OUTPUT WITH

FRIENDS OF MINE AND A DOG

URINATES, I THINK WHAT ELSE IS

GOING ON?

>> BACK IN THE KITCHEN.

>> I READ THAT AND THOUGHT,

THAT'S AN INTERESTING LITTLE

TALE.

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY DOGS IN THE

FIGHT.

BUT -- URBAN CHESTNUT, BOY --

>> ALL RIGHT, FINE BEER, WE KNOW

THAT.

LET'S GET TO THE LETTERS AND SEE

WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT

LAST WEEK'S PROGRAM.

WHENEVER PEOPLE START TO HOLD

SOMEONE ACCOUNTABLE, YOU CAN BET

ON ONE THING -- NO ONE WILL BE

HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

IT'S FROM KENNETH.

AND IN MY OPINION IT, TAKES A

PILLAGE, A BALLPARK PILLAGE TO

RAZE A CITY.

THANK YOU.

RON OF ST. LOUIS WROTE -- PEOPLE

ARE FIGURING OUT THAT THE NFL IS

A HUGE MOOCH.

YOU CAN WRITE US CARE OF 3655

OLIVE STREET, ST. LOUIS,

MISSOURI 63108.

DON'T FORGET THE LETTERS AT

KETC.ORG AND THOSE TWEETS.

DON'T GO AWAY, WE'VE GOVERNMENT

"DONNYBROOK, YOUR TURN."

BILL AND I WILL BE TAKING YOUR

PHONE CALLS.

SEE YOU NEXT WEEK AT THIS TIME

THANKS FOR JOINING US, DON'T GO

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