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THIS EDITION STARTING WITH THE

MEDIA VETERAN HERSELF FROM KTRS,

WENDY WIESE.

FROM THE ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

AND STLTODAY.COM, BILL

McCLELLAN.

FROM THE RIVERFRONT TIMES,

MR. RAY HARTMANN.

AND FROM STLMAG.COM AND THE

ST. LOUIS AMERICAN NEWSPAPER,

ALVIN REID, AND SPEAKING OF

BETTER TOGETHER, RAY, AND WE

WERE, THE ORGANIZATION WHICH IS

SEEKING TO COMBINE THE CITY AND

THE COUNTY THROUGH A BALLOT

MEASURE IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS

OF THE STATE IN NOVEMBER 2020,

HAS ANNOUNCED THAT BY

CONSOLIDATING THE CITY AND THE

COUNTY INTO ONE CITY, THERE WILL

BE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN

SAVINGS.

SOUND OF KIND OF LIKE CARL

SAGAN, BILLION AND BILLIONS.

THE IDEA IS $55 MILLION IN

SAVINGS IN THE FIRST YOUR AND

AFTER A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEARS,

THERE WILL BE A BILLION DOLLARS.

ARE YOU BUYING IT?

>> I THINK LET'S GO FOR

A TRILLION IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO

IT.

IT'S LIKE WHEN I WROTE THE FIRST

COLUMN ABOUT THIS WHERE THEY

SAID WE WERE GOING TO BE A CITY

THE SIZE OF DALLAS AND SAN JOSE.

>> AND NOW IT'S NEW YORK.

>> AND IF THEY HAVE A CASE TO

MAKE, SELL ON IT THE MERITS, ON

REAL FACTS.

THE STORY, UNLESS IT JUST GOT

CUT FOR SPACE, THEY LEFT OUT THE

SMALL DETAIL OF WHERE THIS

BILLION DOLLARS IS COMING FROM.

>> THE CONSOLIDATION.

I MEAN CONSOLIDATION --

>> LOOK, CONSOLIDATION, FOR THE

CITY TO RE-ENTER THE COUNTY LIKE

A LOT OF US HAVE THOUGHT FOR

YEARS AND DO AWAY WITH ITS DUAL

STATUS AS A CITY AND COUNTY

WOULD SAVE SOME MONEY.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

BEYOND THAT, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE

AND IN FACT THE ACADEMIC

LITERATURE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE

OF IT, THAT SIMPLY CONSOLIDATING

GOVERNMENTS SAVES MONEY.

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, IN

LOUISVILLE, ACCORDING TO

DR. TERRY JONES OF THE

UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI

ST. LOUIS, THE COST OF

GOVERNMENT PER PERSON IS

ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN IT IS HERE

AND WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT

THIS PROPOSAL IS NOT ONLY ARE

THEY GOING TO SAVE BILLIONS OF

DOLLARS THROUGH ECONOMIES ARE

SCALE OR SOMETHING, BUT THEY'RE

GOING TO DO IT BY ELIMINATING

THE EARNINGS TAX, WHAT IS

180 MILLION DAZ YEAR IN THE CITY

AND THEY PROMISED NO EMPLOYEES

OF THE CITY AND COUNTY WILL LOSE

THEIR JOB.

>> AND LOUISVILLE DIDN'T HAVE,

OR INDIANAPOLIS, THEY DIDN'T

HAVE 88 MUNICIPALITIES, DID

THEY?

>> NO, NOT THAT MANY.

>> SO HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY SAY

THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO

LOSE THEIR JOBS, THAT WE'RE

GIVING ASSURANCES OF JOB

RETENTION?

>> WE'RE GOING TO SAVE A BILLION

DOLLARS.

>> I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO

SAVE A BILLION DOLLARS, AND

THESE QUESTIONS KEEP COMING UP

AND THEY'RE JUST NOT BEING

ANSWERED TO ANYONE'S

SATISFACTION.

>> WELL, MAYBE THEY'RE CUT THE

MUNICIPALITIES' EMPLOYEES.

IF THE CITY EMPLOYEES DON'T GET

CUT AND THEIR PENSIONS ARE FINE

AND THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES DON'T

GET CUT AND THEIR PENSIONS ARE

FINE, IF THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT

SAVING MONEY, THEY GOT TO CUT

SOMEBODY.

>> SOMETHING'S MISSING FROM THE

DISCUSSION AND I REALLY WOULD

LIKE TO KNOW WHAT MY SENATORS

THINK OF THIS.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT ANN

WAGNER, WHO REPRESENTS, YOU

KNOW, MY DISTRICT IN KIRKWOOD,

THINKS ABOUT THIS.

SCOTT TIPTON, TALKING ABOUT

RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.

I MEAN --

>> SENATOR BLUNT.

>> WHY AREN'T THESE QUESTIONS

BEING ASKED OF OUR ELECTED

OFFICIALS, AND MAYBE THEY HAVE,

BUT I NEED TO READ THAT.

BECAUSE WE'RE TO THE POINT WHERE

THIS CRAZINESS, WE'RE GOING TO

SAVE -- I'LL DO MY BEST ENGLISH

ACCENT A BILLION DOLLARS, YOU

KNOW, BUT WHERE IS THIS COMING

FROM, WITH NO BUDGET.

ADMITTED IN THAT STORY, WE DON'T

HAVE A BUDGET.

THE WAY YOU'RE DIVOG SAVE A

BILLION DOLLARS IS LEFT UP TO

THE LEADERS.

HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT?

>> AND YOU'RE RIGHT, ALVIN,

BECAUSE THIS AFTERNOON, SENATOR

BLUNT WAS QUESTIONED ABOUT HOW

THE MILITARY, HOW THE EMERGENCY

DECLARATION ON THE BORDER AND

HOW THE MILITARY BUDGET IS GOING

TO BE IMPACTED AND HOW THE

GEOSPATIAL AGENCY IS GOING TO --

NABA IS GOING TO BE AFFECTED AND

HE ALSO ANSWERED QUESTIONS ABOUT

THE NCAA AND THE MIZZOU

SUSPENSION, BUT YOU COULDN'T

EASE IN A QUESTION ABOUT BETTER

TOGETHER TO ONE OF OUR SENATORS?

THAT'S KIND OF -- I WOULD LIKE

TO KNOW HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT.

>> HEY, OKAY.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ANOTHER TOPIC

AND IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS,

THERE'S A PRETTY -- HOW WOULD

YOU DESCRIBE IT?

VOLATILE, CONTROVERSIAL?

BOARD OF ALDERMANIC PRESIDENT,

RAY --

>> HEATED.

>> HEATED, THAT'S THE WORD WE'RE

LOOKING FOR.

SEE, YOU'RE A WORDSMITH, I'M

NOT.

WE HAVE IN ONE CASE THE

PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF

ALDERMEN, THE INCUMBENT, ALVIN

REID, HIS NAME IS LEW REED AND

HE HAS COMPLAINED THAT JAMILAH

NASHEED, A STATE SENATOR HAS

ALSO ON SOME LEGAL DOCUMENTS

GONE BY THE NAME JENICE WILLIAMS

WHICH I BELIEVE WAS HER NAME AT

ONE POINT UNTIL SHE CHANGED BIT

12 YEARS AGO.

HE ALSO CALLED HER A DOUBLE

AGENT AT ONE POINT AND NOW THE

COUNCIL FOR AMERICAN ISLAMIC

RELATIONS HAS SAID THAT'S AN

ANTI-ISLAMIC TROPE AND AN INSULT

AND HE NEEDS TO APOLOGIZE TO THE

AREA'S MUSLIM COMMUNITY.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'D GO THAT FAR.

I THINK IT WAS A GAME OF LEGAL

GOTCHA THAT REED WAS GOING ON,

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I AGREE.

HE NEEDS TO APOLOGIZE.

HE DID IT PURPOSELY.

HE WAS TALKING TO NOT BLACK

VOTERS, HE WAS TALKING IN KIND

OF CODE TO WHITE VOTERS AND I

TELL THE WORLD OUT THERE, WHAT

IF A WHITE MAN HAD DONE IT?

WHAT IF A WHITE GENTLEMAN WAS

RUNNING IF PRESIDENT OF THE

BOARD OF ALDERMAN, THERE WOULD

BE A FIRESTORM AND LEWIS REED

NEEDS THE NAME RESPONSE.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT A NAME HERE.

HE'S PLAYING A RACE CARD IN A

WAY AND I THINK IT'S A SMACK OF

DESPERATION.

>> I DIDN'T THINK SO ORIGINALLY

AND THEN I READ UMAR'S PIECE IN

THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN AND

SOMETIMES READING SOMETHING CAN

CHANGE YOUR MIND AND I THOUGHT

THAT LEE HAD A REALLY GOOD POINT

ABOUT ISLAMIC NAMES AND HE

THOUGHT THIS WAS A -- LIKE YOU

DO, HE THOUGHT THIS WAS MEANT AS

AN INSULT.

>> HOW MUCH DOES THE ENDORSEMENT

OF THE BLACK TRADE UNIONS MEAN?

BECAUSE JAMILAH NOW HAS THAT.

I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE

A SIGNIFICANT ENDORSEMENT, SO --

>> AND THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN

ALSO, BUT THE THING WITH

ENDORSEMENTS, I DON'T KNOW

ANYMORE.

>> YEAH.

>> LEWIS REED HAS WON CITYWIDE

AND NONE OF THE OTHERS HAVE.

>> THINK ABOUT UMAR LEE, THOUGH,

HE SAID SOME UGLY THINGS IN THE

PAST.

>> BUT THE PIECE IN THE

NORTHWESTERN AMERICAN WAS WELL

REASONED.

>> BUT I'M SAYING HIS REACTION

TO IT IS VIABLE AND

UNDERSTANDABLE AND FOR IT TO BE

DISMISSED BY LEWIS REED'S CAMP

AND ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS THEY

HAD WAS LEWIS REED HAS, YOU

KNOW, PEOPLE OF THE ISLAMIC

FAITH WORKING FOR HIM.

WELL, THAT JUST SOUNDS LIKE A

WHITE CANDIDATE, WELL, I GOT

BLACK PEOPLE WORKING FOR ME.

>> THE ISSUE IS LESS -- I'M

NOT -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT I THINK

ABOUT WHETHER HE WAS BEING AN

ISLAMOPHOBE OR NOT, WHETHER OR

NOT HE WAS, IT WAS CHEAP SHOT.

YOU TALK ABOUT BETTER TOGETHER,

IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO HEAR

CERTAINLY -- AND MAYBE THEY'VE

ALL MADE THEIR POSITION ON

BETTER TOGETHER AND I HAVEN'T

PAID ATTENTION, BUT THERE'S SO

MANY ISSUES, SO MANY ISSUES,

WHETHER IT'S CRIME, WHETHER IT'S

THE CITY'S ECONOMICS, WHETHER

IT'S OBVIOUSLY BETTER TOGETHER,

THERE ARE SO MANY SUBSTANTIVE

ISSUES AND I THINK LEWIS REED

DOES THE PUBLIC A DISSERVICE

BY -- AND I'M NOT SAYING HE'S

THE ONLY ONE DOING IT, BUT

CLEARLY GETTING INTO THIS KIND

OF NAME STUFF IS REALLY NOT

HELPFUL.

>> BUT YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH

ALVIN'S POINT THAT IF THIS WERE

A WHITE CANDIDATE, YOU WOULD BE

SCREAMING ISLAMOPHOBE.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT

OBVIOUS, GUYS.

I THINK HE WAS CHALLENGING HER

BECAUSE THE LAW DOES STATE THAT

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN NAME

ON YOUR LEGAL DOCUMENT.

HER NAME, SHE HAPPENS TO HAVE A

NAME THAT IS KIND OF ANGLO-SAXON

AND THEN ONE THAT IS, I GUESS,

MUSLIM, AND/OR SOMETHING --

>> MY POINT IS SO WITH LOU

ALCINDOR.

>> BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF A

PERSON IS MUSLIM, THEN IF THE

QUESTION ABOUT THE NAME ON A

LEGAL DOCUMENT, YOU CAN'T

QUESTION IT.

I THINK THAT'S TRUE.

>> BECAUSE I WOULD SAY THAT

BECAUSE YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHY SHE

CHANGED HER NAME.

IF I'M RUNNING FOR OFFICE AS

ALVIN REID AND THEN I OWN

PROPERTY AS THE SEBASTIAN CABOT

OR WHATEVER, THEY'RE LIKE WHAT

IS THAT ABOUT, BUT IF A WOMAN

CHANGES HER NAME OR THE MAN

CHANGES HIS NAME BECAUSE OF THE

FAITH THEY HAVE, THAT SHOULDN'T

BE QUESTIONED.

>> BUT HE WASN'T QUESTIONING HER

CHANGING HER NAME.

HE WAS QUESTIONING ABOUT HOW

HER -- AND I DIDN'T AGREE IT

WITH, BUT HE WAS QUESTIONING HOW

TWO NAMES WERE APPEARING ON

DOCUMENTS AND YET ONE NAME WAS

APPEARING ON THE BALLOT, WHICH

APPARENTLY ACCORDING TO SOME

LAWYERS COULD BE AGAINST THE

LAW.

>> MOST ISLAMIC PEOPLE WHO DON'T

LEGALLY CHANGE THEIR NAME, THEIR

W-2 FORM HAS THEIR FORMER NAME

ON IT.

THEY PAY TAXES UNDER THE NAME

OF --

>> AKA.

>> THE NEXT TIME I SEE WORLD BE

FREE, I'M GOING TO ASK HIM.

>> HE DID CHANGE HIS NAME.

>> BUT I DO THINK IT WAS WRONG

OF HIM REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE

MOTIVE WAS.

>> BUT THE RACE CARD OR RELIGION

CARD, I DON'T PULL SO IT QUICKLY

UNLESS IT'S MORE OBVIOUS.

>> THAT WAS PRETTY OBVIOUS.

AND I'M NOT SAYING HE'S RACIST

OR ISLAMOPHOBIC, HE PLAYED THAT

CARD.

>> I THINK ALVIN MAYBE RIGHT

ABOUT IT.

I WOULD SAY THE ARTICLE DID HAVE

ONE FACTUAL REFERENCE BECAUSE IT

WAS TALKING ABOUT MUHAMMAD ALI

AND IT CLAIMED THAT HE HAD DONE

WHAT'S MY NAME WITH FLOYD

PATTERSON SON WHEN IN FACT IT

WAS ERNIE TERRELL.

>> YOU'RE A SHARP COOKIE.

BILL McCLELLAN, ANOTHER SHARP

COOKIE, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT

BIBLE STUDY IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

DO YOU THINK LIKE SOME

LEGISLATORS IN JEFFERSON CITY

THAT MAYBE KIRKWOOD HIGH AND

WEBSTER GROVES HIGH, FOR THAT

MATTER, I DON'T KNOW, OAKVILLE

HIGH, SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE

BIBLE STUDY COURSES AS AN

ELECTIVE?

NOT REQUIRED, BUT AS AN

ELECTIVE.

>> YEAH, SURE, I DO.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, IF MY KIDS

WERE IN LES AND THAT WAS OFFERED

TO THEM -- IN HIGH SCHOOL AND

THAT WAS OFFERED TO THEM, I'D

SAY THAT'S PROBABLY A SMART

THING TO TAKE AND READ THE BIBLE

AS AN ELECTIVE COURSE, I DON'T

SEE IT AS A -- NECESSARILY A

RELIGIOUS THING, BUT IT'S PART

OF THE CULTURE AND, YOU KNOW,

DANIEL IN THE LION'S DEN AND --

>> JOSHUA AND THE BATTLE OF

JERRICO.

>> AND DAVID AND GOLIATH.

I THINK THAT STUFF IS FINE.

I WOULD HAVE NO OBJECTION.

>> YOU MENTIONED KIRKWOOD.

WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL, WE

HAD A BIBLE AS LITERATURE COURSE

AND WE DID SONG OF SOLOMON AND

SONG OF PSALMS AND HOW IT WAS

WRITTEN.

YOU'RE PHRASING IT LIKE BIBLE

STUDY.

THAT'S DIFFERENT.

I THINK IT HAS TO BE

HISTORICALLY BASED OR THE

ENGLISH OF THE BIBLE OR MAYBE,

YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAY, IT'S NOT

ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JESUS IS BETTER

THAN THIS OR ALL THAT.

THAT'S NOT THE GOAL OF THESE

CLASSES, BUT IF I DID IT IN

1976, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT

THE WORLD HAS CHANGED SO MUCH

THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT IN 2019.

>> I THINK IT'S A VERY BAD IDEA

REGARDLESS WHETHER IT WAS DONE

IN '76 OR NOT.

IT'S GREAT FOR A RELIGIOUS-BASED

SCHOOL, A PRIVATE SCHOOL.

IF YOU WERE TEACHING COMPARATIVE

RELIGIONS AS SORT OF A GENERIC

COURSE, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT TO

STUDY THE BIBLE OR STUDY THE

KORAN AND TO MAKE IT AN ELECTIVE

I THINK IS CROSSING THE LINE OF

THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND

STATE.

>> BUT IF YOU HAVE THE KORAN AND

THE TORAH AND, YOU KNOW, THE --

HOW CAN THAT BE --

>> THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE

IFS, IF YOU DID.

THE POINT IS IF IT WERE JUST --

>> YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE NOT

GOING TO.

>> RIGHT.

IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE BECAUSE

IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONLY

ELECTIVE AT PARKWAY WAS TO STUDY

THE KORAN AS AN ELECTIVE COURSE,

A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A

PROBLEM WITH THAT.

SO IT SOUNDS GREAT IF YOU SAY,

WELL, WE WANT TO TEACH

EVERYTHING AND I DO THINK

STUDYING COMPARATIVE RELIGIONS

IS A GOOD THING, BUT TO ACTUALLY

TEACH THE BIBLE OR HAVE IT AS AN

ELECTIVE, I DON'T -- I HAVE A

PROBLEM.

>> I THINK THE BIBLE AS

LITERATURE AND AS STORIES IS

TERRIFIC, AND IF SOMEBODY WANTED

TO HAVE THAT COURSE ELECTIVE IN

THE KORAN OR SOMETHING, THAT'S

FINE WITH ME TOO.

>> AGAIN, IT'S THE IF AND

IT'S --

>> I DON'T THINK YOU NECESSARILY

DO.

I WOULDN'T SAY YOU CAN'T TEACH

THE BIBLE UNLESS YOU TEACH THE

KORAN AND THE TORAH OR

SOMETHING.

>> AND YOU HAVE TO SAY

CONVERSELY THAT COULD YOU CAN'T

TEACH THE KORAN UNLESS YOU'RE --

THAT YOU CAN'T TEACH THE KORAN

UNLESS YOU'RE TEACHING THE

BIBLE, CORRECT?

>> THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

>> IF I'M ON THE SCHOOL BOARD

AND SOMEBODY COMES UP TO ME AND

SAYS AS AN ELECTIVE, I'D LIKE TO

TEAM THE BIBLE, I'D SAY THAT'S

INTERESTING, I THINK SOCCER SO,

BUT IF SOMEBODY CAME UP TO ME

AND SAID I'D LIKE TO TEACH THE

TORAH, THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

>> ONE OF MY FAVORITE TEACHERS

OF ALL TIME, WE TACKLED

RELIGIOUS SUBJECTS, BUT ONE OF

THE THINGS WE DID IN THAT CLASS,

WE HAD TO READ THE COMMUNIST

MANIFESTO BEGINNING TO END.

PEOPLE WERE UPSET, HOW CAN YOU

DO THAT?

WE WERE NOT TURNING INTO

COMMUNISTS, IT WAS HISTORIC.

>> WE UNDERSTAND A LOT OF YOUR

VIEWS NOW, ALVIN.

>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT

RELIGIONS, THE SEPARATION OF

CHURCH AND STATE, WHICH IS A

REAL THING, PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE

FUNDED BY THE GOVERNMENT, THE

BEST WAY TO PROTECT FREEDOM OF

RELIGION, KEEP GOVERNMENT OUT OF

IT.

I'M NOT ANTI-BIBLE WHEN I SAY

THAT, BUT ARE YOU GOING TO START

STUDYING THE BIBLE THINKING OSH

PREACHING OR TEACHING THAT THE

WORLD IS 6,000 YEARS OLD AND

JUXTAPOSE THAT AGAINST SCIENCE?

>> NO, WE'RE NOT TALKING --

>> THAT'S THE PROBLEM --

[ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ]

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN

ELECTIVE COURSE --

>> WHERE DOES THAT ELECTIVE

COURSE GO IS MY POINT.

>> THEY HAVE TO STRUCTURE A

CLASS THAT EXPLAINS WHAT IT IS.

THIS IS NOT LIKE YOU CAN JUST

COME HERE AND HAVE CHURCH

SESSION IN THE CLASSROOM.

EVEN THE PASTOR WHO WANTS TO --

AND IT PROBABLY WON'T PASS

BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE

THAT DON'T WANT TO DO IT, A LOT

OF BLOWBACK, BUT HE SAID WHAT

WE'RE DOING IS GIVING THE SCHOOL

BOARD A CHANCE TO STRUCTURE A

CLASS.

THAT HAS TO NOW BE PRESENTED TO

THE STATE, HAS TO PASS MUSTER,

CHURCH, STATE, ALL THAT.

BUT IF YOU SAY WE WANT TO TEACH

A CLASS THAT SHOWS YOU WHERE

THINGS HAPPENED IN THE BIBLE,

WHERE TOWNS ARE IN ISRAEL AND

HOW IT'S 70 MILES FROM NAZARETH

TO JERUSALEM, I DON'T HAVE A

PROBLEM WITH THAT.

>> OKAY, LET'S --

>> I'M NOT ANTI-BIBLE, BUT IT'S

A SLIPPERY SLOPE.

>> LET'S MOVE ON.

BILL McCLELLAN, WE'LL GO TO YOU

ON ANOTHER TOPIC AND THAT IS

KATE QUINN HAD A PIECE LAST WEEK

ON CHANNEL 5 WHERE SHE SHOWED

THERE WERE ABOUT ONE CARJACKING

EVERY DAY, THERE IS A CARJACKING

EVERY DAY IN THE GREATER

ST. LOUIS AREA.

THAT WAS TRUE FOR LAST YEAR AND

THIS YEAR AND THEY'RE ALL OVER.

ON HODIAMONT, BALANCE WIN,

BUTLER ROAD SCHNUCKS, OUT IN

FENTON AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH

THERE'S NOTHING A MOTORIST CAN

DO TO PROTECT HIM OR HERSELF?

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS?

>> NO, A MOTORIS CAN'T DO

ANYTHING EXCEPT GIVE UP YOUR CAR

IF A PERSON HAS A GUN ON YOU.

IF WE WANT TO SLOW THERE DOWN,

I'M AFRAID WE HAVE TO HAVE

MANDATORY SENTENCING AND I'M

GENERALLY AGAINST THAT, BUT IF

ALL THESE KIDS THAT ARE DOING

CAR JACKINGS, IF THEY KNEW THAT

WHEN THEY'RE ARRESTED, THEY GET

A FLAT SENTENCE AND DO LIKE TEN

YEARS OR SOMETHING, THAT'S THE

ONLY THING THAT I CAN IMAGINE

COULD HELP ON THIS.

THE CITIZEN CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP YOUR CAR.

>> I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT

HAPPENED TO MY FELLOW FOUNDER

TONIGHT, BUT I ACTUALLY AGREE

THERE SHOULD BE ENHANCED

SENTENCING MUCH LIKE THERE IS

WITH HATE CRIMES OR OTHERS AND

WE OUGHT TO HAVE -- DEFINITELY

THE COURTS HAVE LESS AND LESS

TOLERANCE FOR LENIENCY WHEN IT

COMES TO CARJACKING BECAUSE IT'S

BECOMING ONE OF THE REALLY

SERIOUS CRIMES THAT AFFECTS

EVERYBODY ACROSS ALL LINES.

IT'S NOT A CITY PROBLEM OR A

COUNTY PROBLEM.

IT'S A PROBLEM.

WHEN YOU MENTION MANDATORY

MINIMUMS, THAT'S THE WHOLE BASIS

FOR ALL THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE

REFORM THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT

NOW.

MANDATORY MINIMUMS THAT TIGHT

HANDS OF JUDGES.

>> HOW DO YOU STOP THIS

OTHERWISE, RAY?

>> I THINK YOU CAN ENHANCE THE

PENALTIES AND ENFORCE THEM

BETTER, BUT MANDATORY

MINIMUMS --

>> WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

ENHANCED AND MANDATORY?

>> BIG DIFFERENCE BECAUSE ONE --

>> OKAY.

>> -- ENHANCES A SENTENCING,

EITHER THE GUIDELINES OR THE

PENALTIES, AND THE OTHER TIES

THE HANDS OF JUDGES.

MANDATORY MINIMUMS ARE LIKE THE

THREE STRIKES AND YOU'RE OUT ARE

A PROVEN FAILURE.

THERE'S A BASIS OF ALL THE

CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH GIL

WITH STRENGTHENING THE PENALTIES

AND MAKING IT A MORE SERIOUS

CRIME.

>> IT'S LIKE A NEWSLETTER WHERE

THEY SAY THIS IS ALL YOU HAVE TO

DO.

FRIENDS OF OURS WAS DRIVING HOME

IN A LUXURY CAR AND DROVE

INTO -- AND HE WAS BEING

FOLLOWED.

ONCE HE WAS PEGGED ON THE

HIGHWAY, HE IS BEING FOLLOWED.

THEY FOLLOWED HIM TO HIS

DRIVEWAY IN TOWN AND COUNTRY.

WHEN HE GOT OUT, HE HAD A GUN

POINTED IN HIS FACE.

IF THEY'RE SMART ENOUGH TO

FOLLOW YOU HOME AND TAKE THE

CHANCE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE A

WEAPON IN YOUR GLOVE BOX, THEN

THEY'RE SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE

OUT MANDATORY SENTENCING.

>> ABOUT THE MANDATORY

SENTENCING, I WOULD SAY THIS.

I THINK IT WAS A WOMAN WHO GOT

CARJACKED IN BALLWIN IN A

RESTAURANT THERE, MYSTERIOUS

HIS, THAT ASSAILANT ENDS UP WITH

MORE TIME THAN THE GUY WHO GOT

CARJACKED IN NORTH ST. LOUIS.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE FEARFUL

OF.

LOOK, IT'S THE SAME CRIME, THEY

DESERVE THE SAME SENTENCE AND

THAT SENTENCE SHOULD BE STIFF.

>> HERE'S THE DEAL THOUGH, GUYS.

BILL, I'M A LITTLE UNCONVINCED

WITH YOUR THEORY.

WHY?

BECAUSE WE HAVE PRETTY STIFF

SENTENCES ON CRIMES LIKE

HOMICIDE, AND IT DOESN'T LOOK

LIKE WE'RE PUTTING BIG DENTS IN

THE HOMICIDE NUMBERS.

>> IF YOU'RE CRAZY ENOUGH TO

KILL SOMEBODY -- I THINK PEOPLE

THAT CAR JACK PEOPLE, WHILE

PEOPLE DO GET KILLED DURING THIS

CRIME, I THINK MOST PEOPLE WHO

DO IT, THEIR INTENT IS NOT TO

MURDER SOMEONE, BUT IT IS STILL

A HORRIFIC SITUATION AND ONE

SHOULD FACE A VERY TOUGH

PENALTY.

>> BUT THERE'S AN INTENT, RIGHT?

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE

PENALTIES ARE AND WE HAVEN'T

STUDIED IT CURRENTLY FOR

CARJACKING.

I AGREE WITH BILL THAT WE NEED

TO INCREASE THE PENALTIES, BUT

THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

INCREASING THE PENALTIES AND

MANDATORY MINIMUMS THAT DO NOT

WORK AND TIGHT HANDS OF JUDGES.

>> WAIT, WAIT.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING

THE PENALTIES.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CERTAINTY

OF PENALTY IS WHAT CAN STOP THE

CRIME.

>> THAT'S THE WHOLE THEORY ABOUT

THREE STRIKES AND YOU'RE OUT,

THE WHOLE THING ABOUT

MANDATORY -- MANDATORY MINIMUMS

ARE THE SAME THING AND THEY

WON'T WORK.

THEY TIE THE HANDS OF JUDGES AND

THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE --

>> BUT THREE STRIKES AND YOU'RE

OUT IS NOT A MANDATORY MILLION

MIM, RIGHT?

>> IT'S A COUSIN.

>> I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE CITY

OF ST. LOUIS WHERE CAROL HOWARD

IS BEING CHANGED FOR HER

ALDERMANIC SEAT AND BEING

CHALLENGED BY TONY PECINOVSKY, A

MEMBER OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY,

SUCH AS IT IS.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE MEETINGS

ARE OR HOW MANY DUES PAYING

MEETINGS THERE ARE IN MISSOURI

OR KANSAS.

NONTHE LESS, HE IS A COMMUNIS

AND RUNNING AS A DEMOCRAT.

A LOT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT

DEMOCRATS HAVE SAID GET THE HECK

OFF THIS TICKET BECAUSE YOU'RE

COMMUNIS AND NOT DISTRICT.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?

>> I THINK CAROL HOWARD IS

TRYING TO DEFLECT BY POINTING AT

HER AND SAYING, BUT YOU'RE A

REPUBLICAN.

AND HIS RATIONALE, YOU KNOW, SHE

REFUSED.

SHE SAID, LOOK, WHEN IT CAME TO

MINIMUM WAGE, NOTIFY PROBLEM

WITH THE MINIMUM WAGE LAW

BECAUSE THAT WAS WHERE HE WAS

CALLING HER OUT.

HE SAID I JUST DON'T THINK IT

SHOULD BE IN THIS CITY, I THINK

IT SHOULD BE STATEWIDE, AND THEN

IT WAS ON THE AIRPORT

PRIVATIZATION AND A PUBLIC VOTE.

SHE INTRODUCED THAT IN

COMMITTEE.

IT DIDN'T MAKE IT OUT OF

COMMITTEE, SO, YOU KNOW, TWO

GOTCHAS AND SHE REFUTED THEM

BOTH, YOU KNOW, SEAMLESSLY.

BUT WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS

HE HAS THESE FRONT PORCH

MEETINGS AND SHE WAS CALLING HIM

OUT ON THAT AND SAYING ARE YOU

LETTING VOTERS KNOW THAT YOU ARE

A COMMUNIST?

AND HE SAID -- HE SAID THE ONLY

THING THAT VOTERS CARE ABOUT IS

THAT I'M A DEMOCRAT AND I'M

RUNNING -- I MEAN, SO HE'S KIND

OF LIKE TRYING TO NAIL JELLO TO

A WALL.

HE'S NOT GIVING ANYBODY ANY

ANSWERS.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S GOT ANY

TRACTION WITH THE VOTERS.

>> LEAVE MY FELLOW COMMIE ALONE.

HOW DID WE GET ALL THAT

COMMUNIST STUFF?

I DON'T KNOW, THE MAN COULD HAVE

A HAMMER AND SICKLE FLAG IN

FRONT OF HIS HOUSE.

COMMUNISM IS NOT A PARTY IN THE

CITY OF ST. LOUIS, SO YES, I'M A

COMMUNIST AND I'M RUNNING AS A

DEMOCRAT.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH

THAT.

>> THEN HE CAN SAY THAT.

BERNIE SANDERS SAYS I'M A

SOCIALIS AND I'M RUNNING AS A

DEMOCRAT.

THIS FELLOW DOESN'T SEEM TO WANT

TO OWN UP TO BEING COMMUNIST.

>> IS BERNIE SANDERS REALLY A

SOCIALIST?

IF I ASKED HIM TO MONEY, WOE

GIVE IT TO ME?

>> I ALWAYS TROOB TRY TO BE A

CAPPIST WITH MY OWN MONEY AND A

SOCIALIST WITH OTHERS.

BUT WHAT'S THIS ABOUT A

COLUMNIST NOT BEING ABLE --

>> A COMMUNIST, NOT A COLUMNIST.

>> ALVIN REID, LET'S MOVE ON.

THE ILLINOIS GOVERNOR HAD A

SPEECH LAST NIGHT ON THE WOEFUL

STATE OF THE LAND OF LINCOLN AND

HE BASICALLY SAID THEY GOT TO

START HAVING SPORTS GAMBLING AND

TACK IT, GOT TO START SELLING

POT AND TAX IT, GOT TO START

LEVYING A STACKS ON PLASTIC

BAGS, HAVE A GRADUATED INCOME

TAX, AND HE'S GOT SOME OTHER

IDEAS AS WITH HE WILL.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL

LEADERSHIP.

I ALSO THINK WE HAVE TO PUT

ANOTHER LANE ON THE POPLAR

STREET BRIDGE WHEN THAT HAPPENS

FOR ALL THE ST. LOUISANS RACING

OVER THERE TO MAKE A BET OR BUY

MARIJUANA, BRING THEIR MONEY

FROM NOW, RIGHT ON OVER TO

ILLINOIS AND WE'LL BE LAST.

WE'LL BE THE LAST ONES, OH, MAN,

ALL THE POT MONEY IS GONE AND

ALL THE GAMBLING MONEY IS GONE

BECAUSE ARKANSAS AND KANSAS AND

ILLINOIS GOT ON FIRST.

LOOK, THEY'RE BROKE.

WHEN YOU'RE BROKE, YOU NEED NEW

REVENUE, YOU NEED NEW MONEY.

MEANWHILE IN MISSOURI, NO, WE'RE

NOT GOING TO HAVE TOLL ROADS AND

NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RAISE THE

GAS TAX AND NO THIS AND NO THAT,

WHERE IN ILLINOIS, THEY SAY,

HEY, IF IT'S GOING TO BRING IN

MONEY, LENS DO IT.

>> WHAT ABOUT ATLANTIC CITY,

WHAT ABOUT LAS VEGAS?

>> THAT'S SPORTS GAMBLING.

>> THAT'S A START.

NEW JERSEY AND DELAWARE ARE

MAKING ABOUT FIVE TIMES AS MUCH

MONEY AS THEY ORIGINALLY THOUGHT

THEY WOULD.

>> GOOD OLD ALVIN, WE'RE HEARD

THIS BEFORE WITH CASINO GAMING,

WITH THE LOTTERY, WITH SO MANY

DIFFERENT THINGS, LET'S TAX

ALCOHOL AND THAT DOESN'T WORK.

THE KEY TO A STATE IS YOU HAVE

TO EDUCATE THE PEOPLE, HAVE A

GREAT EDUCATED WORKFORCE,

ATTRACT BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW --

>> WELL, AND THAT'S -- EXCUSE

ME, CHARLIE, THAT SPEAKS TO

ALVIN'S POINT BECAUSE MISSOURI

HAS PRIDED ITSELF ON DOING

EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO TREAT

REVENUES AS IF THEY WERE A

DISEASE, AND AS A RESULT OF

THAT, WE ARE 40-SOMETHING IN HOW

MUCH WE INVEST IN EDUCATION

AND --

>> BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT

ILLINOIS.

>> BUT MY POINT IS, WE'VE

ALREADY DONE AWAY WITH ADULT

ENTERTAINMENT FOR YEARS.

THE ST. LOUIS AREA HAS ADULT

ENTERTAINMENT CLUBS JUST LIKE

EVERY OTHER BIG CITY AND THEY'RE

ZONED INTO ILLINOIS AND --

>> AND?

>> AND A LOT OF MONEY THEY TAX

THAT WOULD BE GOING TO THE CITY

OF ST. LOUIS --

>> YOU SEE THOSE TOWNS?

THEY'RE DOING REALLY WELL.

THEY'RE JUST FLUSH WITH CASH.

IS THAT THE BEST EXAMPLE YOU CAN

HAVE?

>> NO, PROBABLY THE WORST

EXAMPLE, BUT THE POINT IS, IT'S

AN EXAMPLE MUCH LIKE GAMBLING

AND OTHER VICES, THAT THE VICES

EXIST AND THE MONEY GOES WITH

IT.

>> I KNOW THEY EXIST.

[ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ]

>> BUT TO EXPLOIT IT --

>> IF YOU LEGALIZE POT, YOU CAN

SETTLE DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

>> NO, THE NEW STUDY SAID THERE

WAS A LINK BETWEEN NOT AND

VIOLENCE.

>> I TELL YOU -- BETWEEN POT AND

VIOLENCE.

>> WOW.

I TELL YOU THERE'S A LOT OF

MONEY THAT LEAVES MISSOURI --

>> LET'S GO TO THE NAIL GAG AND

SEE WHAT YOU HAVE HAD TO SAY.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOOD OR BAD

LONG TERM, BUT LET'S NOT PRETEND

THAT BER TOGETHER IS ANYTHING

MORE THAN A REDISTRIBUTION OF

THE AREA'S WEALTH AND RESOURCES.

THAT FROM JOHN OF ST. PETERS.

TIM KING WROTE THAT TT UNKNOWNS

WOULD BE BETTER THAN THE

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>>> LET'S ALL GO TO A&W.

ALVIN AND WENDY WIESE.

>> I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SAID

THAT.

>> YOU GOT IT?

>> I GOT IT.

JUROR.

>> YOUR TURN AND WE START WITH

PETER IN NORTH ST. LOUIS.

>> HI, PETER.

>> Caller: HELLO.

EVERYBODY WAS IN FINE FORM.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE CAR

THIEFERY.

>> ALL RIGHT .

>> Caller: CARS ARE A LARGE

ITEM, IT'S WELT AND COMPLETELY

NECESSARY FOR GETTING AROUND.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Caller: JUST LIKE HORSES

WERE.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT?

PETER, I'M NOT GOING TO

INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I SAID THAT

IN THE --

>> IN THE PRODUCTION MEETING.

>> IN THE PRODUCTION MEETING.

GO AHEAD, AND I'M SORRY TO

INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I WANTED TO

THROW THAT OUT THERE.

GO RIGHT AHEAD.

>> Caller: YEAH, JUST LIKE

HORSES WERE, CARS ARE VALUABLE,

CAR ARE VALUABLE AND HORSES WERE

VALUABLE AND WE HAVE A FINE

TRADITION IN THE OLD WEST.

HORSE THIEFERY WAS A HANGING

OFFENSE.

>> IT'S ALMOST AS IF YOU HAD A

MICROPHONE IN THE PRUK MEETING

BECAUSE THAT IS VER BAY ITEM

WHAT ALVIN SAID EARLIER TODAY.

>> I DID SAY THAT.

I SAID BACK THEN, YOU COULD

SHOOT SOMEBODY AND THERE WOULD

BE AN INVESTIGATION AND ALL

THAT.

>> IT WAS LIKE, WELL, THEY TOOK

HIS HORSE.

>> THEY TOOK HIS HORSE, DEATH

PENALTY.

THANK YOU, PETER.

>> THANKS, PEER.

LET'S GO TO JIM IN SOUTH CITY.

HI, JIM, WELCOME, YOU'RE ON

DONNYBROOK YOUR TURN.

HOW ARE YOU?

>> Caller: GOOD EVENING.

I'M FINE, THANK YOU.

THE COMMENT IS IN A COURSE IN A

PUBLIC SCHOOL IS TRULY ELECTIVE

AND THE CREDIT FOR THAT COURSE

WOULD NOT GO TO GRADUATION

CREDIT, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM

WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE BIBLE,

HOPEFULLY INCLUDING OLD

TESTAMENT, NEW TESTAMENT, AND

POSSIBLY A UNIT ON THE KORAN.

MY COMMENT, THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

>> WELL, JIM, THAT'S VERY

RATIONAL AND I DIDN'T EVEN THINK

ABOUT THE IT DOESN'T COUNT

TOWARD GRADUATION, SO THUS IF

YOU WANT TO DO IT, YOU DO IT,

AND THAT'S A GREAT --

>> VERY GOOD POINT.

>> A GOOD COMMENT.

LET'S GO TO CLIFFORD IN SUNSET

HILLS.

>> HI, CLIFFORD.

>> Caller: WENDY AND ALVIN, A

GREAT DISCUSSION TONIGHT AND

ALVIN, THAT IS THE COOLEST TIE

THAT YOU'RE WEARING.

THE MONEY -- ALL THOSE BILLIONS

OF DOLLARS THAT ARE GOING TO BE

SAVED, THAT IS GREAT, BUT

THERE'S A STORY THAT GOES LIKE

THIS.

THERE'S TWO PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT

THE PROJECT AND THE TEST DATA,

AND ONE SAYS TO ONE, THE TEST

DATA DOESN'T SUPPORT OUR PLAN.

AND THE RESPONSE IS, WE KNOW OUR

PLAN IS BRILLIANT, SO JUST

ADJUST THE DATA TO SUPPORT IT,

AND THEN THE RESPONSE IS, YOU

MEAN FALSIFY THE DATA?

AND THE RESPONSE IS, NO, NO,

LET'S NOT GET HUNG UP IN

DISCUSSING THE DEFINITION OF

THINGS.

I WONDER IF THAT'S GOING TO WORK

HERE TOO.

>> I WAS JUST SAYING THAT -- AND

WHAT YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING IS,

AND I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN

YOUR MOUTH, BUT IF I COMMISSION

A STUDY AND I PAY FOR IT, MY

GUESS IS THAT STUDY IS GOING TO

COME BACK --

>> REFLECT WHATEVER --

>> WHATEVER I PAID FOR.

>> LOOK AT THE NAME OF THE

ORGANIZATION FROM THE GET-GO

THAT WAS AN EXPLORATORY

ORGANIZATION, AS I RECALL.

AND I THOUGHT AT LEAST THEY

COULD HAVE PUT A QUESTION MARK

BEHIND IT BECAUSE THERE WAS AN

IMPLIED, YOU KNOW, EXCLAMATION

POINT INSTEAD OF -- BECAUSE IT'S

LIKE IT WAS ALREADY A FOREGONE

CONCLUSION.

YOU THOUGHT WE WERE BETTER

TOGETHER, SO YES, YOU'RE

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, CLIFFORD.

WE COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE

AND WE'RE GLAD YOU CALLED.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> LET'S GO TO DEBBIE IN DES

PERES.

HI, DEBBIE.

WELCOME, YOU'RE ON DONNYBROOK

YOUR TURN.

>> Caller: I HAD A COMMENT ABOUT

THE BETTER TOGETHER AND I'M GLAD

ALVIN IS THERE.

HE'S FAMILIAR WITH DES PERES.

OUR MAYOR JUST PUT OUT A

NEWSLETTER THIS PAST WEEK AND IT

REALLY PROMOTED HOW MUCH MONEY

WE WOULD LOSE OUR ENTIRE SALES

TAX AND AN EXCESS OF

$60 MILLION.

I PASS DES PERES AND -- BYPASS

DES PERES AND GO TO THE CITY.

THAT WOULD LEAVE NOTHING FOR THE

CITY OF DUH FAIR BECAUSE WE DO

NOT -- DES PERES BECAUSE WE DO

NOT PAY TAXES IN DES PERES ON

CITY TAXES BECAUSE OF THE SALES

TAX, AND IT ALSO TOLD US IT

FLOWED ALL THE WAY DOWN, THEY

WILL HAVE CONTROL OF WHETHER OUR

STREETS WILL BE PLOWED IN THE

WINTER, WHICH I THINK IS VERY

INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY DON'T

PLOW THEM IN THE CITY.

BUT HE HAS SOME VERY GOOD

INFORMATION, AND I WISH I HADN'T

THROWN IT AWAY, BUT IF ALVIN CAN

GET A COPY OF THAT NEWSLETTER,

IT KIND OF PUTS IT INTO FACTS

FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE PLACES.

>> DEBBIE, I WANT TO BE VERY

CLEAR HERE, HE MIGHT BE

MR. KIRKWOOD, BUT MY FRIENDS AND

I USED TO CRUISE DES PERES WHEN

I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL.

JUST SAYING I AM FAMILIAR.

>> I'M GOING TO TELL ON MYSELF

RIGHT HERE, OKAY?

WEST COUNTY MALL IS 50 YEARS OLD

AND IT OPENED 50 YEARS AGO THIS

WEEK AND I WAS 8 YEARS OLD, AND

ABOUT, OH, MAYBE 15 YEARS AGO OR

WHATEVER, THEY BLIGHTED IN DES

PERES, THE COUNCIL GOT IT PASTED

THAT WEST COUNTY MALL WAS

BLIGHTED, AND I CALLED, WENT TO

THERE AND SAID, LOOK, YOU'RE

CHEATING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND

ALL THAT OF TAXES BY DOING THIS.

WELL, GUESS WHAT?

THEY BLIGHTED IT.

IT TURNED IT AROUND, IT'S VERY

SUCCESSFUL.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT

PEOPLE IN DES PERES DON'T, YOU

KNOW, HAVE THE TAX BURDEN THAT

OTHER PLACES HAVE.

ALL RIGHT, I WAS WRONG ON THAT.

THEY WERE RIGHT, BUT NOW HERE WE

COME TO THE POINT WHERE DEBBIE

IS EXACTLY RIGHT.

IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW WE GOT

HERE.

WE'RE HERE NOW AND THE WHOLE

IDEA THAT NOW WE HAVE TO, LIKE,

MAYBE FLOAT OTHER PEOPLE, I'M

NOT DOWN IT WITH, DEBBIE.

NOT AT ALL.

>> HUH-UH, NO.

SHE FOUND A FAMILIAR FRIEND

HERE, SO --

>> THERE YOU GO.

>> THANKS, DEBBIE.

>> WE'VE TWEETS, WENDY.

>> LET'S START WITH OUR TWEET @

@SHORTSTOP.

ANYTHING THAT GETS RID OF THE

CITY'S EARNING TAX IS GREAT.

ILLINOIS MILEAGE TAX AS

NONSTARTER.

THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY.

THANK YOU @MRSSHORTSTOP.

>> SISTER SARAH 23, THE BIBLE

ISN'T JUST A HISTORICAL TEXT.

WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO USE

HISTORIC BOOKS TO TEACH ANCIENT

HISTORY AND GEOGRAPHY OF THE

MIDEAST?

>> THANK YOU, @SISTERSARAH.

@MARYBWILD, PERHAPS HAVE AN

ELECTIVE COURSE IN PUBLIC HIGH

SCHOOLS CALLED RELIGIONS OF THE

WORLD, BUT EMBRACING ONE

RELIGION OVER ANOTHER OR HOLDING

A RELIGION CLASS THAT PRACTICES

SELLY TIESES ON ONE SPECIFIC

FAITH CROSS AND LINE BETWEEN

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

AND I THINK MARY B. WILD MIGHT

ACTUALLY BE RAY HARTMANN.

>> THAT'S WHAT HE WAS SAYING,

EXACTLY.

>> THAT WAS THE POINT HE WAS

TRYING TO MAKE, BUT YOUR TWEETS

ARE WELCOME.

#DONNYBROOKSTL.

THANK YOU ALL.

>> LET'S GO TO SUZETTE IN

SWANSEA.

>> Caller: HI, WENDY.

HI, ALVIN.

I AM ALL FOR BIBLE STUDY IN

SCHOOL AND LET ME JUST TELL YOU

WHY.

CHILDREN NEED -- OUR CHILDREN

NEED SOMETHING, SOME FORM OF

SELF RESPECT AND RESPECT FOR

OTHERS AND THE BIBLE WILL TEACH

THAT.

NOW, I KNOW THE SEPARATION OF

STATE AND GOVERNMENT, I

UNDERSTAND ALL THAT, BUT HAVE

YOU EVER JUST SAT DOWN AND SEE

THE STATE THAT -- WHAT CHILDREN

ARE FACING AND WHAT TEACHERS

FACE RIGHT NOW WITH STUDENTS?

THEY HAVE NO -- MAJORITY HAVE NO

RESPECT FOR ONE ANOTHER,

NEVERTHELESS THE TEACHERS.

NOW, IF THIS WAS GOING TO BE A

REQUIREMENT FOR GRADUATION, I

WOULD SAY NO, BUT THIS IS AN

ELECTIVE.

THESE STUDENTS DON'T HAVE TO

TAKE THIS FOR GRADUATION.

IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT IT'S AN

ELECTIVE.

NOW, WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH

THE WORDS, MAYBE, BIBLE STUDY.

CAN WE JUST CHANGE THAT WORD?

I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM,

BIBLE STUDY.

I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING WITH THE

KORAN OR GREEK SCRIPTURES OR

HEBREW SCRIPTURES THAT WILL NOT

TEACH SELF RESPECT AND RESPECT

FOR OTHERS AND THAT'S WHAT OUR

YOUNG CHILDREN NEED.

THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.

APPARENTLY THEY'RE NOT GETTING

IT AT HOME, SO IF WE HAVE TO PUT

IT IN SCHOOLS, WE HAVE TO PUT IT

IN SCHOOLS.

>> SUZETTE, I WANT YOU TO

UNDERSTAND, I THINK IT'S OKAY TO

TEACH HISTORY OF, LITERATURE OF.

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I TOTALLY

DISAGREE WITH.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT BRINGING THE

BIBLE AND BRINGING THE

PRINCIPLES OF THE BIBLE INTO A

PUBLIC SCHOOL SETTING.

THIS IS ABOUT WHERE THINGS

HAPPENED, HOW THEY WERE WRITTEN

AND IT WILL POINT OUT THAT WHAT

IS IN THE BIBLE THAT SAYS

HAPPENED AT THIS TIME REALLY

DIDN'T HAPPEN AT THAT TIME.

IMPOSSIBLE, ALL RIGHT?

THIS IS NOT, LIKE, SAYING DON'T

BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE OR ANYTHING

LIKE THAT, BUT I'M SAYING WHAT

YOU'RE SAYING, I TOTALLY

DISAGREE WITH BECAUSE THIS IS

ABOUT HISTORY OF, LITERATURE OF.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH

THAT.

>> AND SUZETTE, I, AS A

CHRISTIAN OBVIOUSLY AND ALVIN AS

A CHRISTIAN, WE ARE IN AGREEMENT

WITH YOU IN TERMS OF THE

PRECEPTS, BUT YOU'RE NEVER GOING

TO GET IT PAST THE SCHOOL BOARD.

THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE -- THOSE

CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS IN

PLACE, SEPARATING CHURCH AND

STATE, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE TALKING

ABOUT USING THE BIBLE AS A WAY

OF LIVING AND I THINK THAT'S

WHAT ALVIN IS SAYING.

THAT'S WHERE WE -- THAT'S WHERE

THE LINE GETS A LITTLE FUZZY,

BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR OPINION

AND WE'RE VERY GLAD YOU CALLED

AND WE HOPE YOU CALL BACK.

>> RIGHT, I'M NOT INSULTING OR

MAD AT YOU IN THE LEAST.

I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND

WHERE I'M COMING FROM, BUT

YOU'RE RIGHT.

RESPECT IS LACKING, BUT PUBLIC

SCHOOL IS NOT THE PLACE TO BRING

THE BIBLE TO TEACH PEOPLE

RESPECT.

THAT'S GOT TO GO ON IN THE

CHURCH AND THAT'S GOT TO GO ON

IN YOUR HOME.

BUT THANK YOU, SUZETTE.

>> THANK YOU.

LET'S GO TO BILL IN SOUTH

COUNTY.

HI, BILL.

WELCOME, YOU'RE ON DONNYBROOK

YOUR TURN.

>> Caller: WELL, THANK YOU FOR

TAKING MY CALL.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> Caller: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT

THE CARJACKING ISSUE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> Caller: SOMETHING THAT I HAVE

NOT SEEN IS THE STATISTICS ON

HOW MANY CARS ARE HOTWIRED AND

STOLEN VERSUS CARJACKING.

I THINK THAT THEY PROBABLY HAVE

DROPPED TREMENDOUSLY.

MOST NEW CARS REQUIRE A FOB FOR

YOU TO DRIVE AND EVERYTHING LIKE

THAT, AND THAT'S THE REASON

THEY'RE APPROACHING THE DRIVER

AND EVERYTHING TO GET THAT KEY

WITH THE FOB.

>> OKAY.

>> Caller: I THINK TECHNOLOGY

HAS SWITCHED IT OVER WHERE THERE

ARE PEOPLE IN DANGER JUST

BECAUSE YOU CAN'T STEAL A CAR.

OF COURSE, IF YOU GOT A MANUAL

TRANSMISSION, NOBODY WILL STEAL

IT ANYWAY.

MOST OF THESE KIDS CAN'T DRIVE

IT.

>> I HEAR YOU.

>> I HAVE AN OLD CAR, SO I DON'T

HAVE ONE OF THE HIGH TECHIE FOBS

AND I'VE HEARD ABOUT CARS --

WHAT IS IT, THEY'LL STOP IN THE

MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION?

>> THEY'LL STOP.

>> THAT'S NEWS TO ME.

>> AND OVER TIME N TEN YEARS,

CARJACKING, THEY'LL ALL BE THAT,

BUT ONE OF OUR GUESTS, SARAH FEN

FENSKI WITH RIVERFRONT TIMES,

SHE POINTED THAT ONE OF THE

PROBLEMS THAT'S CREATED IS YOU

HAVE TO HAVE THE FOB TO DRIVE

THE CAR, SO THUS, IF I'M GOING

TO STEAL ONE, ALL OF A SUDDEN, I

GOT TO PHYSICALLY TAKE THE CAR.

EXCELLENT CALL.

>> THANK YOU, BILL.

>> ANOTHER BILL, BONNE TERRE.

HI, BILL.

>> HI, BILL.

>> Caller: I DON'T ADVOCATE

KILLING PEOPLE OVER PROPERTY

CRIMES, I DON'T THINK THAT'S G

BUT I THINK PART OF OUR PROBLEM

IS WE'VE TAKEN THE PUNISHMENT

OUT OF PRISON.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S AIR

CONDITIONING, THERE'S TV,

THERE'S -- IT'S TOO COMFORTABLE.

IF YOU COMMIT A CRIME WHERE

YOU'RE A CAR JACKER OR A VIOLENT

CRIME AGAINST SOMEBODY, YOU

SHOULD GO TO A PRISON THAT IS

MORE LIKE THE PRISON OF OUR

ANCESTORS.

NOT WHERE YOU'RE MISTREATED, BUT

WHERE YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE AND

YOU WORK, AND I THINK THAT WOULD

GO A LONG WAY TO CHANGING THE

CRIME RATE IN THIS COUNTRY.

AND AS FAR AS THE BIBLE THING,

THE FIRST THING THAT'S GOING TO

HAND IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE

SOME SMART ASS SAY WE HAVE TO

HAVE A DAY FOR THE SATANIC

BIBLE.

>> GOOD POINT.

THANKS, BILL.

>> Caller: YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

>> I THAER WHAT YOU'RE SAYING,

BUT THE CONSTITUTION, WE DECIDED

YEARS AGO THAT CRUEL AND UNUSUAL

PUNISHMENT WAS OUT OF HAND.

SO LIKE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE

DEVIL'S ISLAND AND -- BUT I HEAR

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

BUT, LOOK, IF YOU GOT TO SERVE

TEN YEARS, YOU CAN SERVE IT WITH

AIR CONDITIONING, SERVE IT WITH

CABLE, YOU CAN SERVE IT ANY WAY

YOU WANT TO, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO

DO TEN YEARS.

>> DO YOU REMEMBER THE LAWSUIT

OF THE GUY THAT SUED BECAUSE HIS

PIECES OF CHOCOLATE CAKE WEREN'T

BIG ENOUGH?

THAT IS NOT -- THAT IS NOT

PAPILION.

>> EXACTLY.

WE HAVE TO FIND THE MIDDLE.

>> THE GOLDEN MIDDLE.

LET'S GO TO MIKE IN LEE MAY.

YOU'RE ON DONNYBROOK YOUR TURN.

>> Caller: HI.

I ENJOYED THE PROGRAM IMMENSELY

TONIGHT.

I'VE BEEN WAITING MONTHS FOR THE

SUBJECT TO COME UP WITH THE CAR

JACKINGS, THE PROBLEMS WE'VE

HAD.

I'M 73 YEARS OWED, I LIVED IN

ST. LOUIS -- OLD, I LIVED IN

ST. LOUIS IN AND AROUND MOST OF

MY LIFE EXCEPT WHEN I WAS IN THE

SERVICE, AND THE LAST FEW YEARS,

IT'S BEEN UNBELIEVABLE, YOU

KNOW, THE THIEVERY, THREATENING

THE CITIZENS, TAKING THEIR KA,

-- TAKING THEIR CARS AND I

FIRMLY BELIEVE, YOU TAKE A CAR,

YOU THREATEN A PERSON WITH A

CAR, WHETHER YOU KILL THEM OR

NOT, YOU'RE SLATED FOR THE DEATH

PENALTY.

>> YOU CAN'T GO THAT FAR BECAUSE

KEEP IN MIND --

>> Caller: I WOULD IF I WAS THE

GOVERNOR.

I CERTAINLY WOULD.

>> I HEAR YOU, MIKE, BUT AT THE

SAME TIME, THAT MEANS THAT ANY

CRIME THAT YOU COMMIT WITH A

GUN, THAT YOU WOULD GET THE

DEATH PENALTY.

SO I DON'T WANT TO GO THAT FAR,

BUT WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS THAT

WHATEVER THE SPECIFIC CRIME IS

THAT YOU'RE CHARGED WITH AND YOU

MIGHT GET TWO TO THREE YEARS

FOR, YOU UP THAT.

YOU TRIPLE THAT.

I'M GOOD.

BUT IF YOU GO TO WHERE YOU'RE

GOING, THAT MEANS ANYTIME YOU

FULL A GUN OUT AND YOU ROB

7-ELEVEN, YOU ROB ANYBODY UNDER

ANY REASON WITH A GUN, THEN

YOU'RE SLATED FOR THE DEATH

PENALTY.

YOU CAN'T GO THAT FAR, BUT I

HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

>> MIKE AS THROWBACK FOR YOUR

HORSE THIEVERY.

>> YES, EXACTLY.

>> THANKS, MIKE.

LET'S GO TO TERRI IN AFFTON.

>> Caller: HI, THANKS.

YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT SHOW

TONIGHT AND I DO LOVE ALVIN'S

TIE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Caller: ABOUT THE CARJACKING,

I'VE HAD THIS IDEA FOR A WHILE.

WE SHOULD MAKE IT UNCOOL TO CAR

JACK.

YOU GOT TWO KIDS WITH TWO GUNS

AND INSTEAD OF SPENDING THE

MONEY GETTING A GUN, WHY DON'T

YOU TWO GUYS PUT YOUR MONEY

TOGETHER AND BUY A CAR, YOU

KNOW.

SHARE IT.

WHY DON'T WE HAVE A PROGRAM

THROUGH THE SCHOOLS THESE KIDS

WITH, YOU KNOW, WORK ON A CAR

AND EARN A CAR INSTEAD OF MAKING

IT COOL TO, YOU KNOW, GO STEAL

ONE.

IT'S NOT COOL.

HOW DO WE GET THE MESSAGE OUT,

YOU KNOW?

>> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING,

THAT THE WHOLE THING WITH LIKE,

YOU KNOW, IF YOU WORK ON CARS,

YOU KNOW CARS, MAYBE YOU WANT TO

CAR AND ALL THAT, BUT AT THE

SAME TIME, WE'RE DEALING WITH A

DIFFERENT -- TERRI, I DON'T KNOW

WHAT AGE YOU ARE, BUT YOU SOUND

ABOUT MY AGE, OKAY?

AND HOW THESE YOUNG CATS, BLACK,

WHITE, ASIAN, WHATEVER, IT'S

DIFFERENT THAN HOW WE SAW IT AND

WHY THEY DO THINGS THEY DO, I

DON'T HAVE AN EXPLANATION FOR.

WHAT I HAVE IS PUNISH THEM FOR

DOING THESE OUT-OF-CONTROL

THINGS AND MAYBE AS YOU GET

OLDER, YOU GET MORE CONSERVATIVE

AND YOU GET MORE, YOU KNOW,

PENALTY-BASED INSTEAD OF LET'S

EDUCATE THEM BASED, BUT YOU

KNOW, LIKE DON'T DO IT.

I DON'T HAVE TO -- I DON'T HAVE

TO CREATE A PROGRAM THAT TEACHES

NOW NOT TO DO IT.

HOW ABOUT DON'T DO IT OR FACE

THE PENALTY?

>> YEAH, I'M WITH YOU.

THANK YOU, TERRI.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

WHERE WE GOING NOW?

>> JANET IN WEBSTER.

HI, JANET.

>> Caller: HI, ALVIN, WENDY.

A LOT OF GOOD TOPICS TONIGHT, I

ALWAYS WATCH YOUR SHOW.

I'M CALLING TO TALK ABOUT THE

CLASS, THE ALTERNATIVE CLASS FOR

THE STUDENTS WITH THE BIBLE

THUMPERS TEACHING BIBLE.

>> COME ON NOW.

THAT WAS AN EDITORIAL COMMENT.

>> I PAY HIGH TAXES HERE IN

WEBSTER AND I WOULD LIKE MY

TAXES TO GO FOR THE CHILDREN TO

LEARN HOW TO DRIVE A CAR.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING WE NO

LONGER TEACH DRIVER'S ED.

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> Caller: AND THIS WOULD BE A

BETTER WAY FOR ALL THOSE

STUDENTS TO DO THEIR CIVIC DUTY

AND LEARN HOW TO DRIVE A CAR.

>> OKAY.

>> Caller: SO THAT'S MY TWO

CENTS FOR WHERE I WOULD LIKE THE

SCHOOL DISTRICT TO SPEND MY

MONEY THAT I PAY FOR SCHOOL

TAXES FOR THOSE STUDENTS.

I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR VARIOUS

RELIGIOUS CLASSES IF WE ALLOW

THE BIBLE TO BE TAUGHT, WE'RE

GOING TO HAVE TO LET THE KORAN

AND ALL THESE OTHERS, SO THAT'S

MY FEELINGS ON THAT TOPIC.

>> JANET, HAVE YOU EVER STATUTE

A TEENAGER HOW TO DRIVE?

>> Caller: NO, I HAVE NOT.

>> I HAVE, TWO.

>> YOU WILL, AND I HAVE.

A BELIEF SYSTEM WILL COME IN

HANDY.

YOU'VE GOT TO TRUST ME ON THAT

BECAUSE --

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> YOU WILL NEED ONE WHEN YOU

GET BEHIND THE WHEEL WITH A

16-YEAR-OLD.

JUST SAYIN'.

SO THANK YOU, THOUGH.

>> Caller: SO YOU ARE IN FAVOR

OF HAVING IT TAUGHT BY A

PROFESSIONAL AT A SCHOOL?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> WE HAD TO.

OUR KIDS WENT TO PRIVATE SCHOOL

AND WE HAD TO PAY FOR A DRIVER

EDUCATION COURSE.

>> YEAH, I DID, TOO, BUT WE

TAUGHT THEM, AND YOU'RE

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, BUT I WISH

THEY DID HAVE IT IN SKAL.

>> WE SUPPLEMENTED, BUT I DO

HAVE A LOT OF GRAY HAIR FROM

THAT TIME PERIOD.

>> MORE TWEETS, WENDY.

>> GOING BACK TO THE

TWITTERVERSE.

>> NOPASSION7, BECAUSE WESTERN

LITERATURE IS FRAUGHT WITH LIB

PUBLIC CAL REFERENCES --

BIBLICAL REFERENCES IN THE

LITERARY ASPECTS OF THE BIBLE

SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA, AN

ESSENTIAL FOR AN ASPIRING

ENGLISH LIT MAJOR.

>> AT MIKE, BETTER TOGETHER'S

PROMISE OF PIE IN THE SKY --

ANOTHER EDITORIAL COMMENT,

BENEFITS SEEM TO BE USING THE

SAME EVIDENCE AS THE BREXIT

PROPONENTS WHO PROMISED A

GREAT -- WHO PROMISE GREAT

THINGS FOR GREAT BRITAIN.

THANK YOU @MIKE.

>> AND MERT, IF PARENTS WANT

THEIR KIDS TO LEARN ABOUT THE

BIBLE OR ANY OTHER RELIGIOUS

TEXT, THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF

CHURCHES AND RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS

TO CHOOSE FROM.

RELIGION DOESN'T BELONG IN

PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

#DONNYBROOKSTL.

>> WE STILL HAVE TIME FOR YOU.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

CANDY, OLIVETTE.

>> I THINK WE MISSED DAVE.

>> OH, DAVE IN WASHINGTON.

SORRY, DAVE.

>> Caller: HEY, GOOD EVENING.

THANKS FOR TAKING MY CALL.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Caller: JUST A COUPLE

COMMENTS ON THE BIBLE STUDY IN

SCHOOL.

I HAD FOUR SONS WHO WENT TO

CATHOLIC HIGH SCHOOL, ONE OF

THEIR REQUIRED CLASSES WAS WORLD

RELIGIONS.

I GOT TO PARTICIPATE IN A FIELD

TRIP TO A SYNAGOGUE, NEVER BEEN

IN ONE BEFORE.

I ACTUALLY THINK TOWARD THE

TENS, MY YOUNGEST SON GOT

COLLEGE CREDIT FOR IT, SO IT WAS

THE STUDY OF RELIGION IN THE

WORLD.

IT WASN'T ANY PARTICULAR THING

AND I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT.

THE OTHER COMMENT I HAVE IS BY

THE TIME IT GETS TO COMMITTEE,

THEY WILL NEVER AGREE TO WHICH

BIBLE TO USE, SO I DON'T THINK

WE HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.

>> EXCELLENT CALL, EXCELLENT.

>> EXCELLENT POINT, KING JAMES.

>> THE NEW ABRIDGED, ON AND ON.

THAT WILL TAKE --

>> WHAT A WONDERFUL CALL.

>> THANK YOU, DAVE.

>> NOW CINDY IN OLIVETTE.

HI, CINDY.

>> Caller: HI, HOW ARE YOU GUYS?

>> FINE, THANK YOU.

>> JUST FINE.

>> Caller: I WANTED TO TALK TO

YOU ABOUT THE CARJACKING ISSUE.

I HAVE A 20-YEAR-OLD TOYOTA

TACOMA, SO I'M KIND OF LIKE

WENDY.

I GOT AN OLD DOG TRUCK.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO POINT A

GUN AT ME TO GET ME OUT OF IT,

BUT MY CONCERN IS, AND I WONDER

IF ANYBODY HAS LOOKED INTO THIS

EVER BEFORE, ARE PEOPLE -- ARE

WOMEN WITH CHILDREN AND FAMILIES

AND ELDERLY BEING MORE TARGETED,

ESPECIALLY IN THOSE INCIDENTS?

THAT'S A CONCERN.

>> ALL RIGHT, MOST --

>> Caller: NOW, MY OTHER THING

IS I AM A HISTORY MAJOR.

I AM -- MAN, I AM A HISTORY

BUFF.

I DO NOT SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH

HAVING A CLASS ABOUT WORLD

RELIGIONS.

I WENT TO -- I WENT TO KAISER

SCHOOL, SO HEY, ALVIN, IN

KIRKWOOD.

>> KIRKWOOD, YEAH.

>> Caller: AND THEN I WENT TO

UNIVERSITY CITY SCHOOLS AND WE

STUDY BUDDHISBUDDHISM, HINDUISM,

STUDIED THE TORATORAH, THE HISTORY

OF THE BIBLE, BUT IT WAS IN THE

CONTEXT OF A STUDY OF A PIECE OF

LITERATURE.

NOW, I KNOW LITTLE OR NOTHING

ABOUT THE TORAH, BUT I -- OR THE

KORAN, BUT I WORKED WITH PEOPLE

WHO ARE MUSLIM AND SO THEY

TAUGHT ME STUFF JUST TALKING TO

ME, SO I'M NOT AGAINST THAT.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M A

PRESBYTERIAN.

U-CITY PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH AT

MID LAND AND DELMAR, SO WE HAVE

SAINT JAMES AND I'M SURE THERE'S

GOING TO BE A DUST STORM ABOUT

THAT, BUT FROM A HISTORICAL AND

UNDERSTANDING STANDPOINT, A

WORLD RELIGION, AND I'M GOING

WAY PAST THE THREE BASIC ONES

YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW,

BUT LET'S GET TO IT.

UNDERSTAND PEOPLE THAT ARE

DIFFERENT THAN YOURSELF.

>> THERE YOU GO, CINDY.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, TOO.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, ALL RIGHT?

>> AND MAYBE WE HAVE SUCH

IMPASSES TODAY BECAUSE WE

STOPPED TEACHING THAT KIND OF

STUFF.

>> EXACTLY, RIGHT.

>> THANK YOU, CINDY.

>> CHARLIE IN NORTH COUNTY.

HI, CHARLIE.

>> Caller: HI.

GREAT SHOW AND ACTUALLY, I HAD A

QUESTION FOR ALVIN.

>> SURE.

>> Caller: BECAUSE HE TOOK ME

BACK TO A SIMPLER TIME WHEN HE

WAS -- WHEN YOU WERE TALKING

ABOUT THE POLITICIANS CHANGING

THEIR NAME.

YOU SAID SEBASTIAN CABOT AND BE

HONEST, WERE YOU THINKING OF

FAMILY AFFAIR?

>> OF COURSE HE WAS.

I HEARD THE MUSIC.

>> I WAS GRABBING A NAME OUT OF

THE AIR AND WHY THAT CAME TO ME,

I I HAVE NO IDEA.

>> I HEAR THE MUSIC.

DID ANYBODY ELSE HEAR THE MUSIC?

* [ SINGING ]

>>.

>> Caller: I THOUGHT, WHEN ALVIN

GETS OFF, HE'S GOING TO RUN HOME

AND WATCH TV LAND.

>> I WAS REACHING FOR A NAME AND

THAT'S THE ONE THAT CAME UP.

BUT IT WAS FAMILY AFFAIR, IT

WAS.

>> I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT.

MR. BILL OR -- WAS IT

MR. FRENCH -- --

>> IN FRENCH.

>> AND UNCLE BILL.

THANK YOU , CHARLIE FOR TAKING US

DOWN MEMORY LANE.

LET'S GO TO JULES IN HIGHLAND,

ILLINOIS?

>> Caller: GREAT SHOW TONIGHT

AND GREAT TOPICS.

I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT

RELIGION.

I WENT TO CATHOLIC SCHOOL AND

CHURCH EVERY MORNING AND THEY

SHOULD TEACH SOMETHING IN

SCHOOL.

THEY HAVE MATH, YOU KNOW,

EVERYTHING AND THEY SHOULD TEACH

SOMETHING HOW PEOPLE SHOULD

TREAT PEOPLE.

THAT'S MY COMMENT.

>> OKAY.

WELL, YOU KNOW, AND YOU CAN HAVE

DIGNITY CLASS.

>> AND I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE

HEARD OF TEACHERS WHO HAVE

PHONED IN TO THE PROGRAM WHO

SAID THAT THEY HAVE

CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW TO TREAT

PEOPLE WHO ARE DIFFERENT, SO

MAYBE THAT IS HAPPENING.

WE HAVE A LOT OF FLURRY OF

ACTIVITY HERE IN THE LAST COUPLE

OF SECONDS.

>> OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO

DONNA.

HI, DONNA.

>> Caller: HI THERE.

I HAVE TWO THINGS.

I THINK IF YOU HAVE TO STAY IN

PRISON TEN YEARS MANDATORY FOR

STEALING A CAR, IT DON'T MATTER

IF THEY GOT AC OR WHATEVER IN

THE PRISON OR NOT.

WHO WANTS TO BE LOCKED UP FOR

TEN YEARS, COME ON?

SECONDLY, THEY DON'T NEED

DEVIL'S ISLAND.

JUST THROW AWAY THE KEY FOR TEN

YEARS.

THAT'S THE MIDDLE GROUND.

>> THANKS, DONNA.

WE AGREE, WOW!

>> I DON'T KNOW IN WILDWOOD, HI,

JOHN.

>> Caller: QUICKLY, I WENT TO

PAROCHIAL AND PUBLIC SCHOOLS, SO

I BELIEVE IN THE SEPARATION OF

CHURCH AND STATE, BUT DO YOU

FEEL AT SOME POINT THE PLEDGE OF

ALLEGIANCE IN SCHOOLS BECOMES A

TIPPING POINT FOR THIS WHOLE

DEBATE AND THAT'S MY QUESTION.

>> I DON'T.

I THINK IT'S TWO SEPARATE ISSUES

COMPLETELY.

>> SO YOU AND I ARE IN AGREEMENT

ON ONE NATION UNDER GOD.

>> WELL, IN GOD WE TRUST OR ONE

NATION UNDER GOD, EVERYBODY HAS

A GOD.

>> SO YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM

WITH THAT?

>> NOT REALLY.

WHO'S YOUR GOD?

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT,

DON'T DO IT.

I WOULD RATHER NOT PUT THE KIDS

OR PARENTS OR ANYTHING WILL YOU

THAT, JUST LEAVE IT ALONE.

AT THE SAME TIME, WHO'S YOUR

GOD?

YOU WORSHIP YOUR GOD.

>> JUST A DON'T TAKE A KNEE,

THAT'S ALL, PROBABLY.

>> TAKE A KNEE, GET PAID.

>> HAVE A WONDERFUL WEEKEND.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING

US.

>> A GREAT SHOW TONIGHT.

SEE YOU GUYS NEXT WEEK.

>> IT WAS.

GOOD NIGHT.