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>> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE

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POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT OF THE 

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BETSY AND THOMAS PATTERSON 

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FOUNDATION AND THE MEMBERS OF 

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NINE PBS. 

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>> HEY, THANKS FOR JOINING US 

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FOR THIS EDITION OF DONNYBROOK.

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GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US AND A 

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LOT OF HOT TOPICS IN THIS MID 

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JULY EDITION.

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BUT AFTER THAT, WE'RE GOING TO 

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TALK TO TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO 

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THINK THAT MAKING A WALKABLE, 

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BIKEABLE ST. LOUIS WILL REALLY 

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YIELD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

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WE'LL TALK TO CINDY MENSE OF 

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TRAILNET AND SARAH ARNOSKY, VICE

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PRESIDENT AT GREATER ST. LOUIS 

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INC.

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BUT FIRST LET'S DISCUSS THE 

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ISSUES WITH OUR PANEL.

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LET'S MEET THEM.

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WENDY WIESE IS THE NEWS DIRECTOR

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FOR THE BIG 550 KTRS.

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ALSO THE COHOST OF THE JENNIFER 

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AND WENDY SHOW.

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MR. BILL McCLELLAN IS WITH US, A

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FOUNDER OF THE PROGRAM.

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HE'S WITH THE ST. LOUIS 

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POST-DISPATCH.

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RAY HARTMANN WITH RAWSTORY.COM, 

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THE BIG 550, KTRS, AND THE 

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RIVERFRONT TIMES, ANOTHER 

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FOUNDER.

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AND HE'S THE NEWS EDITOR AND 

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SPORTS COLUMNIST WITH THE 

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ST. LOUIS AMERICAN, ALVIN REID.

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OKAY, LET ME ASK YOU, RAY 

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HARTMANN, IT WAS KIND OF 

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HISTORIC, I GUESS.

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PEOPLE SAID THE TEN OR WAS IT 

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12-HOUR MEETING THIS WEEK OF THE

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ST. LOUIS BOARD OF ALDERMEN, 

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SHATTERED ALL RECORDS FOR THIS 

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LEGISLATIVE BODY THAT NEVER NET 

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AT QUITE SUCH A LENGTH.

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I GUESS HISTORIANS WILL HAVE TO 

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LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE IF THAT'S

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TRUE, BUT NONETHELESS, THIS YEAR

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ST. LOUIS IS GETTING 498 MILLION

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FEDERAL DOLLARS FROM THE 

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AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN AND A LOT 

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OF THAT HAS BEEN ALLOCATED 

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THANKS TO ACTION BY THE BOARD.

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DIRECT PAYMENTS OF $500 WILL GO 

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TO 10,000 NEEDY ST. LOUISANS.

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GIFT CARDS GO TO ST. LOUISANS SO

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THEY'LL BE VACCINATED.

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THE POLICE WILL GET $5 MILLION 

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IN OVERTIME AND ALL THIS GOES TO

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THE BOARD OF ESTIMATE AND 

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APPORTIONMENT WHICH MEETS FRI, 

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TOMORROW.

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THERE'S ANOTHER STEP BEFORE THIS

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BECOMES REALITY, BUT OVERALL, 

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WHAT DID YOU SYMPATTHINK?

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>> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE 

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CYNICAL ABOUT THE CITY OF 

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ST. LOUIS AND I WISH WASHINGTON 

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WOULD WORK AS WELL AS THE CITY 

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OF ST. LOUIS DID.

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YOU HAD DIFFERENCES OF OPINION 

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BETWEEN MAYOR TISHAURA JONES AND

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LEWIS REED, THE ALDERMANIC 

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PRESIDENT AND THEY SAT DOWN AND 

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APPARENTLY HASHED IT OUT.

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I THINK IT'S EASY TO SIT HERE, 

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BUT I THINK THEY COMPROMISED AND

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WHAT'S WE WANT PUBLIC OFFICIALS 

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TO DO IS TALK THINGS OUT AND 

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COMPROMISE, AND I HAPPEN TO 

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THINK THAT THE -- THAT WHILE 

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IT'S UNCONVENTIONAL, THE DIRECT 

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PAYMENTS WILL BE STIMULUSES TO 

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THE ST. LOUIS ECONOMY AND MORE 

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IMPORTANT, HELP THE PEOPLE 

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THAT -- THE 10,000 PEOPLE THAT 

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WILL BE RECEIVING THEM AND 

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THEY'LL BE VERY HELPFUL, VERY 

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CRITICAL TO THOSE FOLKS.

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I THINK IT'S A GOOD STEP.

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I THINK THEY'RE WORKING IN THE 

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RIGHT DIRECTION.

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>> WHILE I AGREE WITH HIM, I'M 

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GOING TO GO WAY BACK WHEN THIS 

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FIRST CAME UP AND BILL McCLELLAN

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SAID WHY NOT JUST TAKE THE 

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$5 MILLION OUT OF THE STIMULUS 

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PACKAGE?

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SO IT'S KIND OF -- MAYBE IT 

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DIDN'T NEED TO TAKE SIX HOURS 

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AND MAYBE SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS 

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WERE RIGHT THERE, SO MAYBE THIS 

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WAS A LITTLE TOO MUCH POLITICAL 

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DOG FIGHT, BUT IT'S CALLED 

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COMPROMISE AND LIKE RAY SAID, 

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THAT'S, I THINK, ALL THAT MOST 

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OF AMERICA WANTS RIGHT NOW.

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AND IF BOTH TEAMS CAN SAY, LIKE,

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HEY, I GOT A WIN OUT OF THIS, 

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THAT'S NOT A BAD THING.

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THAT'S NOT A BAD THING AT ALL.

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SO HEY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET 

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THE JOB DONE, GET THE JOB DONE. 

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>> WELL -- I'M SORRY, BILL.

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GO AHEAD.

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>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, I'M HAPPY

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WITH IT, TOO, BUT IT'S GOING TO 

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BE INTERESTING TO FIGURE OUT 

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WHAT 10,000 PEOPLE GET $500 

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BECAUSE THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF 

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PEOPLE WHO COULD USE $500.

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DO YOU GIVE IT TO THE POOREST 

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PEOPLE OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE 

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SOMEBODY WHO WAS IMPACTED 

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DIRECTLY BY COVID, SOMEONE WHO 

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LOST THEIR JOB?

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I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF 

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THAT, BUT IT WILL BE 

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INTERESTING.

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>> REALLY BROADCASTERS SHOULD BE

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FIRST IN LINE.

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>> WE'VE HAD STIMULUS CHECKS 

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FROM PRESIDENT BUSH, PRESIDENT 

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TRUMP, PRESIDENT BIDEN BECAUSE 

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OF COVID.

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JEFFREY BOYD AND LEWIS REED WERE

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CERTAINLY NOT IN FAVOR OF IT 

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JUST ON ITS MERITS BECAUSE 

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THEY'RE SAYING THAT IT'S -- YOU 

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CAN'T PROVE THAT IT'S GOING TO 

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MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE 

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AND THAT IT WAS JUST GOOD MONEY 

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AFTER BAD OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

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WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS

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MAYOR JONES SAID THAT THIS WILL 

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ADDRESS THE CRIME ISSUE AT -- OR

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THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE CRIME 

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ISSUE IN THE CITY AND IT WILL 

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KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES.

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AND I THINK THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT 

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TO EXPECT OF A $500 CHECK.

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I DON'T -- I HONESTLY DON'T SEE 

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HOW $500 ADDRESSES THE ROOT 

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CAUSES OF CRIME IN OUR CITY. 

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>> WELL, NO, THAT'S POLITICAL 

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TALK.

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IT WILL ADDRESS IT.

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NOW, IT MAY BE ONE GAZILLIONth 

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OF, YOU KNOW, IMPACT, BUT IT 

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COULD -- IT COULD -- PROBABLY 

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WILL MAKE SOME IMPACT.

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SO I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S 

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GOING TO SOLVE CRIME. 

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>> I THINK IT MAKES THE 

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POLITICIANS POPULAR WHEN THEY 

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HAND OUT MONEY, THERE'S NO 

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DOUBT, AND THAT'S WHY THERE WAS 

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AN INTERESTING CAVEAT TO THIS 

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MEASURE AND THAT WAS THAT NO 

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NAME, IMAGE, OR LIKENESS OF ANY 

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POLITICIAN COULD BE ATTACHED TO 

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THOSE $500 CHECKS OR TO THE GIFT

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CARDS.

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NOW, I DON'T -- DON'T GET ME 

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WRONG.

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A LOT OF PEOPLE COULD USE THAT 

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MONEY, BUT THERE'S ALSO A TON OF

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LITTER OUT THERE AND IN THE 

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1930s, WE HAD THE WORKS PROGRESS

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ADMINISTRATION.

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I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN 

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SOME SORT OF GROUP OF PEOPLE 

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GETTING PAID $500 TO CLEAN UP 

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SOME OF OUR HIGHWAYS AND BYWAYS 

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IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS. 

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>> LET ME POINT OUT, THEY DO 

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HAVE -- AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT

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IS, BUT THEY HAVE A FAIRLY 

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SPECIFIC PLAN AND LIKE BILL 

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SAYS, IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO 

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SEE HOW IT IS IN PRACTICE, BUT 

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IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE JUST 

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SAYING -- I THINK IT'S FAMILIES 

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AND THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF 

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CRITERIA.

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SO MY POINT IS, THEY GOT A PLAN.

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WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF IT WORKS.

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I THINK IT DOES MATTER AND I 

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THINK THAT POVERTY IS ONE OF THE

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INDICATORS OF CRIME.

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>> OKAY, BUT -- 

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>> TO THE EXTENT SOME PEOPLE ARE

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ABLE -- 500 MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A 

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LOT TO EVERYBODY, BUT IT MIGHT 

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BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 

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KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON. 

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>> READING IN THE PAPER TODAY, 

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BILL McCLELLAN, THAT THERE ARE 

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800 JOBS IN THE CITY OF 

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ST. LOUIS THAT ARE NOT FILLED, 

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AND THIS IS A STORY TAKING A 

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LOOK AT HOW, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T 

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FIND PEOPLE TO WORK AS TRASH 

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HAULERS, THE CITY IS NO LONGER 

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SEPARATING THE RECYCLE MATERIAL 

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FROM THE TRASH.

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IT'S ALL BEING COLLECTED 

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TOGETHER, AT LEAST TEMPORARILY.

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WHO KNOWS HOW LONG THIS IS GOING

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TO LAST, BUT ONE OF THE REASONS 

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IS THEY CAN'T FIND TRASH 

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HAULERS.

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THERE'S ABOUT 30 OPENINGS THERE,

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BUT OVERALL IN THE CITY, 800 JOB

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OPENINGS AND IT IS KIND OF 

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UNUSUAL, ISN'T IT, TO BE HANDING

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OUT CHECKS TO PEOPLE WHO CAN'T 

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FIND WORK WHILE THE CITY ITSELF 

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HAS 800 JOBS AVAILABLE.

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>> OH, THERE'S A VERY 

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INTERESTING STORY BECAUSE I 

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WOULD THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE 

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POLICE DEPARTMENT MIGHT HAVE 

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TROUBLE FINDING ELIGIBLE CITY 

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DWELLERS BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE

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RECORDS OR SOMETHING, BUT YOU 

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WOULDN'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM WITH 

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TRASH HAULERS AND I THINK 

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THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO 

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WOULD REALLY LIKE A STEADY JOB 

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WITH BENEFITS AND IT'S 

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INCREDIBLE TO ME THAT WE 

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HAVEN'T -- THAT THE CITY HAS NOT

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BEEN ABLE TO FILL THOSE JOBS.

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AND HEATHER NAVARRO, THE 28th 

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WARD ALDERMAN, SAID SHE WENT 

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ONLINE TO SEE HOW EASY IT IS TO 

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APPLY FOR A JOB AND SHE COULDN'T

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DO IT.

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AND THEY QUOTED SOMEBODY SAYING 

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WELL, THE SYSTEM IS FROM 1968.

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AND I REMEMBER 1968, AND I GOT 

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TIES FROM 1968, BUT YOU DON'T 

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WANT TO HAVE A COMPUTER SYSTEM 

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FROM 1968.

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SO I THINK THE CITY OUGHT TO 

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REALLY MAKE AN EFFORT TO HIRE 

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PEOPLE AND GIVE THEM HONEST 

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WORK, AND I'M SURE THAT THERE'S 

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PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD WANT 

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THE TRASH HAULING JOBS AND SOME 

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OF THE OTHER 800 JOBS.

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IT'S -- 

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>> I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S A 

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MATTER OF THE CITY NOT TRYING.

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I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK

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ABOUT TRASH HAULERS AND WE'RE 

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TALKING ABOUT POLICE OFFICERS 

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AND HOW FAR DOWN WE ARE ON THAT 

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SCORE AND THE I.T. NEEDS OF THE 

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CITY, THERE ARE -- AS CHARLIE 

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SAID, AS YOU'VE ALL AGREED, 

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THERE ARE ALMOST 1,000 POSITIONS

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OPEN IN THE CITY.

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AND THEY -- PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY 

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DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF WORK.

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>> WELL, I CAN SEE I.T. -- I CAN

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SEE A SHORTAGE OF I.T. WORKERS 

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BECAUSE MAYBE AN I.T. WORKER 

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COULD MAKE MORE IN PRIVATE 

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INDUSTRY.

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AND LIKE I SAID, I CAN SEE THE 

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PROBLEM WITH THE POLICE 

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DEPARTMENT.

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BUT I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM 

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HIRING TRASH HAULERS.

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>> THEY DON'T WANT TO -- 

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>> THAT'S A GOOD JOB, WENDY. 

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>> LINDA THOMAS FROM THE 

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PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT, IN THE 

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POST-DISPATCH A COUPLE WEEKS 

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AGO, SAID BECAUSE OF FEDERAL 

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BENEFITS, THEY'RE COMING FROM 

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WASHINGTON, D.C., PEOPLE ARE NOT

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AS MOTIVATED TO APPLY FOR SOME 

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OF THESE JOBS.

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I BELIEVE SHE MADE HER COMMENTS 

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IN A POST-DISPATCH STORY WHEN IT

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WAS DESCRIBED HOW THEY COULDN'T 

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FIND 911 DISPATCHERS. 

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>> BUT THEY'VE HAD THIS PROBLEM 

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LONG BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, LONG 

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BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT WAS GIVING

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$300 A WEEK EXTRA ON 

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UNEMPLOYMENT.

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THE 911 STUFF, THAT WENT SOUTH 

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AS SOON AS THE CITY GOT CONTROL 

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OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

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YOU KNOW, THEY SUDDENLY STRIPPED

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A LOT OF 911 WORKERS AND I'M 

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SURE WE'VE BEEN SHORT GARBAGE 

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HAULERS FOR A LONG TIME AS WELL.

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>> I THINK WHAT THEY -- IF YOU 

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WAIVED THE DRUG TEST FOR A LOT 

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OF JOBS, A LOT MORE PEOPLE WOULD

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APPLY.

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THAT'S JUST THE REALITY. 

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>> THAT'S TRUE. 

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>> AND THEN, TOO, I WANTED TO BE

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A JOURNALIST SINCE I WAS 12, BUT

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THE FIRST JOB -- AND MY MOM -- 

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HI, MOM -- AS MY WITNESS, 

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5-YEAR-OLD ALVIN THOUGHT THE 

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COOLEST THING IN THE WORLD WOULD

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BE TO BE A GARBAGE MAN, AND I 

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KNOW THEY'RE SANITATION WORKERS 

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NOW, THAT'S HOW WE KNOW THEM, 

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BECAUSE THEY GOT TO RIDE ON THE 

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BACK OF THE TRUCK.

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NOW, TIMES HAVE CHANGED.

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NOW I'M KIND OF LIKE THIS.

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GOOD-PAYING JOB WITH BENEFITS?

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I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE 

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ARE HESITANT TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE 

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FULFILL SOME OF THESE JOBS.

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I MEAN, I DON'T GET IT.

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>> BUT ME -- 

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>> THE COMPUTER SYSTEM GOES BACK

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TO -- 

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>> WE'VE ALL SEEN THE ONLINE 

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REPORT OF PEOPLE SAYING THAT 

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THEY'RE GIVING UP THEIR -- 

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THEY'RE GIVING UP THEIR WHITE 

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COLLAR JOBS, THEY'RE GIVING UP 

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THEIR CORPORATE JOBS BECAUSE 

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THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE

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ADVERSITY IN THE WORKPLACE, AND 

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I MEAN, THOSE ARE ACTUAL TERMS 

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THAT ARE BEING THROWN AROUND.

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ADVERSITY IN THE WORKPLACE.

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I MEAN, THAT'S -- TO ME, THAT'S 

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PART OF GOING TO WORK.

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THERE'S GOING TO BE ADVERSITY, 

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YOU KNOW.

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YOU'RE PAID TO DO A JOB, SO IT 

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SONET DEEM TO BE AN AND -- 

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DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN APPETITE 

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FOR IT. 

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>> HEY, WHILE WE'RE TALKING 

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ABOUT THE CITY AND WE'LL MOVE ON

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TO OTHER REGIONAL ISSUES IN JUST

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A MOMENT, ALVIN REID, THIS PAST 

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WEEK MAYOR TISHAURA JONES AND 

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CONGRESSMAN CORI BUSH VISITED 

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DENVER TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE 

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STAR PROGRAM THERE.

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STAR STANDS FOR SUPPORT TEAM 

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ASSISTANCE RESPONSE, A PROGRAM 

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THAT SENDS SOCIAL WORKERS TO 

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SOME, I GUESS -- TO SOME SITES 

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THAT ORDINARILY WOULD HAVE BEEN 

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VISITED BY POLICE.

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IN THIS CASE, IT'S TRESPASSING 

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OR WELFARE ISSUES OR IT COULD BE

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A SYRINGE FOUND ON THE STREET, 

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THINGS LIKE THAT.

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NOT THE MOST SERIOUS CRIMES.

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MAYOR LYDA KREWSON HAD TWO PILOT

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PROGRAMS ALONG THESE LINES.

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LET ME ASK YOU.

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DO YOU THINK THIS TRIP WILL BEAR

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FRUIT?

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>> I THINK IT COULD.

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I THINK YOU GO TO -- GO FOR 

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WHAT'S THE SUCCESSFUL FORECAST 

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AND YOU GO AND FIND OUT WHAT 

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THEY'RE DOING.

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THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT 

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THE MAYOR AND CORI BUSH AND A 

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LOT OF POLITICIANS THAT ARE 

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REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC 

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ACTUALLY KIND OF ADHERE TO, 

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MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO SEND THE 

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POLICE TO EVERY SITUATION.

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AND TO FIND OUT THE BEST WAY TO 

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DO IT ON A TRIP TO DENVER, I 

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MEAN, EVEN IF THEY -- YOU KNOW, 

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OVERNIGHT, I REALLY DON'T THINK 

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THAT'S SETTING THE WHOLE BUDGET 

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BACK THAT MUCH.

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NOW, DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS, BUT 

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I BELIEVE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN 

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SOME TRIPS INVOLVED TO CHINA AND

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PLACES LIKE THAT DURING PREVIOUS

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ADMINISTRATIONS, YOU KNOW, WHEN 

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WE'RE GOING TO BE THE TRADE 

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PARTNER WITH CHINA AND -- 

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>> CHINA HUB. 

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>> YEAH, EXACTLY, AND WHERE DID 

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THAT GO AND WHERE DID A LOT OF 

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PROJECT WHERE I'M SURE A LOT OF 

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VISITING WENT ON THAT WERE MUCH,

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MUCH MORE COSTLY THAN AN 

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OVERNIGHT TRIP TO DENVER. 

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>> I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S -- GO

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AHEAD, RAY, I'M SORRY. 

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>> NO, YOU'RE GOOD. 

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>> I DON'T THINK IT'S A MATTER 

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OF MONEY.

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I JUST THINK IT'S -- I THINK 

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IT'S THE APPLES/ORANGES 

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COMPARISON.

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ST. LOUIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A 

13:53.775 --> 13:55.610
CRISIS IN TERMS OF CRIME AND 

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HOMICIDE NUMBERS, AND DENVER IS 

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NOT ON ANY OF THE FBI'S MOST 

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DANGEROUS CITIES LISTS.

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SO I COULD CARE LESS WHAT IT 

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COSTS TO GO OUT THERE.

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I JUST -- I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S

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AN APPLICABLE -- THE STAR 

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PROGRAM IS APPLICABLE TO WHAT 

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WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE IN 

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ST. LOUIS. 

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>> I'M SURE THEY GOT PLENTY OF 

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CRIME IN DENVER AND THEY'VE 

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GOT -- IF IT'S A BEST PRACTICES 

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THING, YOU CAN ARGUE SOME OF 

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IT'S SYMBOLIC AND POLITICAL 

14:25.373 --> 14:27.442
FIGURES GO TO THESE THINGS, BUT 

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I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD ALWAYS 

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RULE OUT TRADE STUFF BECAUSE 

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SOMETIMES THAT ACTUALLY, AS 

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FARFETCHED AS IT MAY SEEM, 

14:32.947 --> 14:33.581
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR 

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CHIEF EXECUTIVES, WHETHER IT'S 

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THE GOVERNOR OR MAYOR, WHATEVER,

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SHOW UP AND TALK TO TRADE 

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DELEGATIONS.

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I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.

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JUST BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE AN 

14:45.326 --> 14:46.394
EXOTIC TRIP DOESN'T NECESSARILY 

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MEAN YOU SHOULDN'T DO IT.

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I MEAN, BECAUSE IF OTHER CITIES 

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HAVE PEOPLE GOING, THEIR MAYORS 

14:52.033 --> 14:53.902
GOING, THEY CAN MAKE A 

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DIFFERENCE.

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YOU HAVE TO PICK -- THAT'S PART 

14:56.738 --> 14:58.473
OF -- IF GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO 

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BE IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 

14:59.674 --> 15:01.476
BUSINESS, YOU CAN'T SAY, OH NO, 

15:01.543 --> 15:04.812
WE CAN'T GO OVERSEAS BECAUSE OF 

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THE COST OF THE TRIP.

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A LOT OF THOSE, THOSE ARE -- 

15:10.652 --> 15:12.687
SOMETIMES THOSE TRIPS CAN BE 

15:12.754 --> 15:15.190
SUBSIDIZED BY PRIVATE SECTOR 

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FOLKS.

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AND I HAVE NO -- THIS IS HARDLY 

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A MAJOR TRIP.

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I THINK SYMBOLICALLY, IT MAKES 

15:20.161 --> 15:20.328
SENSE. 

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>> I NEED TO GO TO SAN FRANCISCO

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AND VISIT THEIR PBS STATION, SO 

15:24.599 --> 15:27.936
CHARLIE, LET'S WORK THAT OUT, 

15:28.002 --> 15:28.336
OKAY?

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>> WE'LL HAVE A GOOD TIME AT THE

15:30.672 --> 15:32.240
DENVER PBS STATION, IF YOU 

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FOLLOW MY DRIFT. 

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>> I WOULD TAKE IT. 

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>> I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT 

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THEY'RE LEARNING BEST PRACTICES 

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AND I DON'T THINK THE COST 

15:40.982 --> 15:42.584
MATTERS AT ALL, BUT WENDY, YOU 

15:42.650 --> 15:43.251
HAVE A POINT.

15:43.318 --> 15:45.253
LAST YEAR DENVER HAD ABOUT 90 

15:45.320 --> 15:46.421
HOSM SIDES.

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THEIR POPULATION IS ABOUT 

15:48.156 --> 15:48.323
70,000.

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IN A TYPICAL YEAR, DENVER HAS 

15:50.258 --> 15:52.594
ABOUT 60 HOMICIDE AND YEAR, SO 

15:52.660 --> 15:53.928
IT IS KIND OF APPLES AND ORANGES

15:53.995 --> 15:56.731
BECAUSE WE HAD 260 HOMICIDES.

15:56.798 --> 15:58.166
WE WERE DEALING WITH REAL 

15:58.233 --> 15:59.100
VIOLENT CRIME THAT DENVER 

15:59.167 --> 16:00.668
DOESN'T SEE AND THE STAR PROGRAM

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HAD ABOUT 1300 RESPONSES LAST 

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YEAR WHICH, WOW, THAT'S A 

16:04.305 --> 16:05.807
FRACTION OF THE CALLS THAT 

16:05.873 --> 16:06.741
POLICE AT THE ST. LOUIS 

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METROPOLITAN POLICE DEPARTMENT 

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HAVE TO RESPOND TO. 

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>> IF YOU WANT -- IF YOU'RE 

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GOING FOR BEST PRACTICES, WOULD 

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YOU WANT SOMEBODY THAT'S HAVING 

16:13.748 --> 16:14.549
BETTER OUTCOMES?

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I DON'T THINK THAT -- THE IDEA 

16:15.850 --> 16:18.152
THAT DENVER IS SOME PLACE WHERE,

16:18.219 --> 16:20.555
YOU KNOW -- I MEAN, I'VE BEEN 

16:20.622 --> 16:21.122
THERE.

16:21.189 --> 16:23.458
DENVER IS GREAT.

16:23.524 --> 16:25.893
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PRACTICES 

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THAT GO INTO PRIMARY, BUT THE 

16:28.596 --> 16:29.897
FACT THAT THEY HAVE A LOW ONE IS

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NOT AN ARGUMENT NOT TO GO. 

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>> THEY HAVE 700,000 PEOPLE, WE 

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HAVE 300,000 IN OUR CITY. 

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>> IT'S NOT APPLES AND ORANGES. 

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>> CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

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ISN'T THERE A GUY BY THE NAME OF

16:42.477 --> 16:44.178
WILL PINCKNEY WITH THE MAYOR'S 

16:44.245 --> 16:44.479
OFFICE?

16:44.545 --> 16:45.613
HE LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM A 

16:45.680 --> 16:47.048
COUPLE OF TIMES IN ST. LOUIS AND

16:47.115 --> 16:48.449
HE'S A FORMER NEW YORK COP WHO I

16:48.516 --> 16:50.151
THINK WAS PROFILED IN ONE LOCAL 

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PAPER RECENTLY IF I'M NOT 

16:52.053 --> 16:52.353
MISTAKEN.

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HEY, LET'S TALK TO YOU, WENDY 

16:54.522 --> 16:56.557
WIESE, ABOUT WHAT I THINK IS A 

16:56.624 --> 16:59.827
TRULY UNPRECEDENTED STORY.

16:59.894 --> 17:01.829
THIS IS A BATTLE BETWEEN THE 

17:01.896 --> 17:03.331
NATURAL RESOURCE DEFENSE COUNCIL

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AND FIRE.

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FIRE HAS A SUBSIDIARY THAT RUNS 

17:07.235 --> 17:08.836
A PIPELINE BETWEEN HERE AND IT 

17:08.903 --> 17:10.405
GOES THROUGH ILLINOIS, UP NORTH 

17:10.471 --> 17:13.574
TO GET SOME OF THAT FRACKING 

17:13.641 --> 17:16.044
NATURAL GAS, AND THAT FIRE 

17:16.110 --> 17:20.014
PIPELINE WAS REVIEWED BY THE 

17:20.081 --> 17:20.548
FEDERAL ENERGY REGULATORY 

17:20.615 --> 17:21.883
COMMISSION AND APPROVED.

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HOWEVER, JUST RECENTLY, THE 

17:25.653 --> 17:28.022
WASHINGTON, D.C., COURT OF 

17:28.089 --> 17:29.324
APPEALS DECIDED TO REVOKE THE 

17:29.390 --> 17:30.258
CERTIFICATION FOR THAT PIPELINE,

17:30.325 --> 17:32.827
SAYING THAT FERC, THE REGULATORY

17:32.894 --> 17:35.563
BODY, DID NOT FOLLOW ITS OWN 

17:35.630 --> 17:37.332
RULES.

17:37.398 --> 17:40.301
AND AS A RESULT, THERE'S A STORY

17:40.368 --> 17:41.969
IN SUNDAY'S POST-DISPATCH THAT 

17:42.036 --> 17:44.872
THIS PIPELINE BRINGING NATURAL 

17:44.939 --> 17:46.808
GAS TO ST. LOUIS MIGHT BE 

17:46.874 --> 17:47.709
MOTHBALLED AND THEY'RE EVEN 

17:47.775 --> 17:49.577
TALKING ABOUT FILLING IT WITH 

17:49.644 --> 17:52.046
SAND BECAUSE IMPLODING IT WOULD 

17:52.113 --> 17:54.015
BE ANOTHER ENVIRONMENTAL 

17:54.082 --> 17:54.282
DISASTER.

17:54.349 --> 17:55.249
HOW DO YOU FEEL?

17:55.316 --> 17:57.285
DO YOU THINK THAT SINCE THE 

17:57.352 --> 17:58.519
REGULATORY BODY VIOLATED ITS OWN

17:58.586 --> 18:00.888
RULES, ALLEGEDLY, THAT THE 

18:00.955 --> 18:01.856
PIPELINE SHOULD BE TAKEN DOWN?

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>> WELL, I MEAN, SHAME ON THE 

18:04.225 --> 18:05.493
REGULATORY BODY THEN.

18:05.560 --> 18:07.428
BUT YOU DON'T PENALIZE THE 

18:07.495 --> 18:10.131
NATURAL GAS CUSTOMERS HERE IN 

18:10.198 --> 18:11.466
THE MIDWEST.

18:11.532 --> 18:16.738
THE WHOLE POINT WAS TO AVOID A 

18:16.804 --> 18:18.840
SITUATION OR THEY HAD AVOIDED A 

18:18.906 --> 18:20.408
SITUATION SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAW

18:20.475 --> 18:21.976
IN TEXAS IN FEBRUARY DURING A 

18:22.043 --> 18:24.645
DEEP FREEZE IN WHICH PEOPLE LOST

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THEIR LIVES, PEOPLE WERE FOR A 

18:26.647 --> 18:27.815
VARIETY OF DIFFERENT REASONS AND

18:27.882 --> 18:29.016
THINGS THAT THEY HAD SIGNED UP 

18:29.083 --> 18:32.186
FOR IN TERMS OF BUDGET BILLING, 

18:32.253 --> 18:35.223
THEY WERE RECEIVING 12 AND 

18:35.289 --> 18:38.459
$15,000 UTILITY BILLS.

18:38.526 --> 18:42.697
AND I'M SORRY THAT SOME OF THE 

18:42.764 --> 18:44.098
MARKET ANALYSIS THAT SHOULD HAVE

18:44.165 --> 18:46.167
BEEN PERFORMED WASN'T PERFORMED,

18:46.234 --> 18:47.735
BUT THAT'S NOT, IN MY WAY OF 

18:47.802 --> 18:50.071
LOOKING AT THINGS, THAT'S NOT ON

18:50.138 --> 18:50.338
FIRE.

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THAT'S ON FERC.

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>> WELL, THAT'S -- I MEAN, THIS 

18:55.343 --> 18:57.278
ISN'T SOME, LIKE, LIBERAL THINK 

18:57.345 --> 18:58.513
TANK THAT MADE THIS DECISION.

18:58.579 --> 19:00.882
THE COURT OF APPEALS, OKAY?

19:00.948 --> 19:02.283
THESE ARE JUDGES LOOKING AT THE 

19:02.350 --> 19:04.852
LAW AS TO HOW -- AND OBVIOUSLY 

19:04.919 --> 19:06.654
THEY WERE REVIEWING IT IF 

19:06.721 --> 19:08.556
THEY'RE APPELLATE JUDGES.

19:08.623 --> 19:09.590
I DON'T KNOW WHICH SIDE 

19:09.657 --> 19:11.559
APPEALED, BUT THEY LOOKED AT THE

19:11.626 --> 19:14.128
LAW AS IT WAS APPLIED BY LOWER 

19:14.195 --> 19:16.898
COURT JUDGES AND MADE A 

19:16.964 --> 19:17.231
DECISION.

19:17.298 --> 19:18.399
YOU CAN SAY SHAME ON THEM.

19:18.466 --> 19:21.402
IF THEY DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT, THEN

19:21.469 --> 19:23.438
THE JUDGES ARE SAYING YOU GOT TO

19:23.504 --> 19:24.372
DO IT RIGHT.

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IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S SOME 

19:26.340 --> 19:27.742
WRONGDOING BY THE APPELLATE 

19:27.809 --> 19:27.975
COURT. 

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>> I THINK THIS IS INTENDED TO 

19:29.644 --> 19:30.678
HAVE A CHILLING IMPACT ON 

19:30.745 --> 19:32.780
ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO INVEST IN 

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PIPELINES, PERIOD.

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PERIOD.

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>> YOU CAN'T REFUTE THE LAW, 

19:35.750 --> 19:35.917
WENDY.

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THESE ARE JUDGES.

19:37.051 --> 19:39.454
THE APPELLATE COURT HAS GOT TO 

19:39.520 --> 19:40.955
BE REVIEWING BY DEFINITION A 

19:41.022 --> 19:43.624
LOWER COURT THAT FOUND THAT THE 

19:43.691 --> 19:45.059
REGULATORS -- AND IT'S NOT 

19:45.126 --> 19:46.727
EXACTLY A NEWS FLASH THAT IN THE

19:46.794 --> 19:49.997
TRUMP ERA, THE REGULATORS WERE 

19:50.064 --> 19:51.299
LOOKING THE OTHER WAY.

19:51.365 --> 19:53.534
THEY'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T DO 

19:53.601 --> 19:55.236
THAT, AND SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND 

19:55.303 --> 19:57.738
WHAT THE ARGUMENT IS WITH -- IS 

19:57.805 --> 19:58.506
THE ARGUMENT THAT THE JUDGES 

19:58.573 --> 20:01.008
SHOULD LOOK THE OTHER WAY TOO?

20:01.075 --> 20:03.244
THEY JUST ENFORCE THE LAW. 

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>> DONE!

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IT'S DONE.

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THE PIPELINE -- I MEAN, IT'S 

20:08.616 --> 20:08.983
COMPLETED.

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IT'S DELIVERING NATURAL GAS.

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>> WELL, THEY FOLLOWED THE LAW 

20:12.887 --> 20:14.922
AND IF THE REGULATORS DIDN'T, 

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THEN IT'S THE RIGHT DECISION AND

20:17.258 --> 20:18.860
WE -- WE CAN'T HAVE EVERY 

20:18.926 --> 20:21.195
DECISION COME DOWN TO, WELL, YOU

20:21.262 --> 20:25.199
KNOW, IT'S BETTER FOR OUR 

20:25.266 --> 20:25.433
ECONOMY.

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THERE IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL 

20:26.067 --> 20:27.168
CONCERNS AND THEY'RE THERE FOR A

20:27.235 --> 20:28.402
REASON AND IF THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW

20:28.469 --> 20:30.137
THE RULES, THEN THIS IS THE 

20:30.204 --> 20:30.705
RIGHT DECISION. 

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>> POLITICS DOESN'T PLAY INTO 

20:31.506 --> 20:33.808
THIS AT ALL, RIGHT, RAY?

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THIS IS PURELY LEGAL. 

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>> WITH THE COURT OF APPEALS?

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I DON'T THINK SO.

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MAYBE IT DID. 

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>> OKAY, OKAY. 

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>> I DON'T KNOW.

20:39.614 --> 20:41.415
AGAIN, THE COURT OF APPEALS, 

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WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, NOT REALLY 

20:43.417 --> 20:44.385
KNOWN AS BEING ALL THAT 

20:44.452 --> 20:44.986
LIBERAL -- 

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>> LET ME JUST JUMP IN. 

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>> REVIEWING A LOWER COURT'S 

20:48.723 --> 20:49.557
DECISION ABOUT WHETHER THE LAW 

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WAS FOLLOWED.

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IF IT WASN'T, THEN YOU GOT TO 

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EITHER FOLLOW THE LAW OR DUMP 

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SAND IN IT, I GUESS. 

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>> WELL, TRULY UNPRECEDENTED.

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I'VE NEVER HEARD OF A GAS 

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PIPELINE BEING MOTH BALLED.

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WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS, RAY.

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WHILE WE HAVE YOU FRONT AND 

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CENTER, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE

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SENTENCE THIS WEEK OF RANDY 

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HAYES, THE ST. LOUIS POLICE 

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OFFICER WHO PUBLIC HEALTH 

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PLEADED GUILTY IN THE BEATING OF

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HIS COLLEAGUE, MR. LUTHER HALL, 

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AND HE RECEIVED FOUR YEARS.

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A JUST SENTENCE?

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>> WELL, IT GOES BY -- IT'S A 

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FEDERAL CASE, SO IT GOES BY THE 

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POINT SYSTEM.

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THERE'S POINTS ADDED FOR 

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COOPERATION, POINTS TAKEN AWAY 

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FOR THIS AND POINTS ADDED FOR 

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THAT.

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THEY START WITH A RANGE AND, YOU

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KNOW, THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH 

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SUBJECTIVITY.

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THERE'S SOME, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE

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JUDGE -- I HAVE TO SAY, I WAS 

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SURPRISED BY IT.

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I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE THAN I 

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THOUGHT HE WOULD GET.

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I WOULD BE CONCERNED IF I WAS 

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DUSTIN BOONE WHO BASICALLY WAS 

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TRIED FOR THE SAME -- IF THE 

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PAPER HAD IT RIGHT, PRETTY MUCH 

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TRIED ON THE SAME CHARGES THAT 

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MR. HAYES WAS JUST SENTENCED, 

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AND HE COOPERATED.

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I WOULDN'T BE SLEEPING TOO WELL 

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IF I WAS, YOU KNOW, HAD THIS 

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GONE TO A JURY TRIAL AND BEEN 

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FOUND GUILTY OF THOSE.

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BUT ONCE AGAIN, YOU DON'T KNOW 

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WHERE BOONE VERSUS HAYES ARE ON 

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THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES.

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IT'S A LOT OF -- A LOT OF IT IS 

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NOT SUBJECTIVE.

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SOME OF IT IS, BUT THEY'VE GOT A

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RANGE AND HE STAYED WITHIN THE 

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RANGE.

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THE PROSECUTORS WANTED SIX.

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AGAIN, I WAS SURPRISED BY IT, 

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BUT -- 

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>> HOW ABOUT YOU, BILL 

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McCLELLAN?

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>> I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THE 

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SUBJECTIVE PART, I DON'T -- THE 

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WHOLE POINT OF GETTING PEOPLE TO

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TESTIFY IS YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE 

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THEM A BREAK ON THE SENTENCING, 

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ESPECIALLY IN A CASE LIKE THIS 

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WHERE IT'S A COP TESTIFYING 

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AGAINST OTHER COPS, AND I HATE 

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TO SEE THE GUY WHO TESTIFIED 

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GETTING MORE TIME THAN THE 

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PEOPLE WHO WITH  -- PEOPLE WHO 

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WENT TO TRIAL.

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IF WHAT WE WANT IN THE FUTURE IS

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OTHER COPS TO TESTIFY ABOUT BAD 

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CONDUCT OF THEIR COLLEAGUES, 

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THIS ISN'T A VERY GOOD WAY TO DO

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IT. 

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>> IF A JUDGE GOES ABOVE OR 

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BELOW THE -- THE WAY I 

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UNDERSTAND IT, PARTICULARLY 

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ABOVE IT, YOU -- AND I AGREE 

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WITH YOU, BASICALLY.

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SURE, YOU WOULD EXPECT.

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THAT'S WHY I SAY I WOULD THINK 

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MR. BOON HAS GOT TO BE CONCERNED

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ABOUT THAT PERHAPS, ALTHOUGH I 

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DON'T KNOW IF IT WORKS THAT WAY.

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IT IS THE POINT SYSTEM.

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IT IS THE GUIDELINES.

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IF THE JUDGE VIOLATES -- 

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>> BUT THEY CAN GO ABOVE AND 

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BELOW, RAY. 

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>> BUT IF THEY DO -- 

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>> NOT ONLY CAN THEY GO ABOVE OR

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BELOW, BUT LIKE JOHN RALLO, IF 

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LATER RANDY HAYES HAS HE HAS 

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SOME SORT OF ILLNESS, WHO KNOWS 

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IF HE'LL GET OUT OR IF HE GOES 

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TO SOME SORT OF REHAB PROGRAM 

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LIKE STEVE STENGER DID, MAYBE 

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HE'LL BE OUT IN TWO YEARS. 

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>> I'M NOT EVEN DEFENDING THE 

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JUDGE.

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I'M JUST SAYING IF THEY DO, 

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THEY'RE MORE SUBJECT TO GETTING 

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OVERTURN TO APPEAL AND A LOT OF 

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JUDGES DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN

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TO THEM.

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>> OKAY, SPEAKING OF THE COURTS,

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BILL, EUGENE KROGG JR. RELEASED 

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A EXPLETIVE IN COURT, BASICALLY 

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EXPLETIVE YOU, THIS JUDGE GAVE 

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THE ATTORNEY A WEEK IN JAIL FOR 

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CURSING AT HIM.

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WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW EITHER OF 

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THOSE FELLOWS.

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I CALLED UP A GOOD FRIEND OF 

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MINE AND HE DIDN'T KNOW THE 

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LAWYER AND HE DIDN'T KNOW THE 

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JUDGE, BUT HE KNEW THE CURSOR 

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AND HE SAID THAT YOU -- 75 YEARS

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OLD, YOUNG MAN IN HIS PRIME, AND

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HE SAID THAT HE'S A GOOD FELLOW 

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AND HE SAID, I'D REALLY LIKE TO 

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KNOW WHAT WAS BEHIND THIS.

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BUT AS FAR AS THE JUDGE PUTTING 

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THE GUY IN JAIL, I THINK THAT 

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THERE SHOULD BE DECORUM IN COURT

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AND LIKE I THINK A JUDGE, YOU 

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KNOW, OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO

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SOMEBODY, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY 

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YOU'RE DRESSED.

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THAT'S NOT RESPECTFUL TO THE 

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COURT.

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AND IF SOMEBODY CURSES AT A 

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JUDGE, I THINK THE JUDGE IS WELL

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WITHIN HIS OR HER RIGHTS TO SAY 

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I'M NOT GOING TO TOLERATE THAT 

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AND TO THROW THE GUY IN JAIL.

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I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 

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THAT.

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>> WELL, I JUST THINK A WEEK IS 

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TOO MUCH.

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IF HE TOLD HIM, HEY, GO TO HADES

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AND GET ONE DAY, TOLD HIM TO 

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KISS SOMETHING, YOU GET THREE 

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DAYS.

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IT WASN'T JUST THE EXTREME 

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LANGUAGE HE USED.

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I KNOW SOMEBODY WHO HAD JURY 

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DUTY THIS WEEK AND SOMEBODY IN 

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THE LARGE JURY FOOL REFUSED TO 

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PUT -- POOL REFUSED TO PUT A 

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MASK ON.

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APPARENTLY THEY TALKED TO HIM 

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AND JUST ESCORTED HIM OUT OF THE

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BUILDING.

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TO ME, HE SHOULD HAVE GOT A 

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WEEK.

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>> MAYBE A WEEK IS A LITTLE 

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LONG, ALVIN, BUT IF I WAS A 

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JUDGE, I'D WANT IT KNOWN THAT 

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YOU DON'T COME IN AND CURSE AT 

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ME BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE MY 

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DECISIONS.

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>> WHY DID  -- WHO CUSSED OUT 

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THE LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE DURING

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THE ERIC GREITENS STUFF?

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WHAT ATTORNEY WAS THAT?

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WAS IT AL WATKINS?

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NOTHING HAPPENED TO HIM. 

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>> I AGREE WITH ALVIN THAT IT 

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SEEMS A LITTLE MUCH, A WEEK.

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A LITTLE SHOCK TIME FOR 24 

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HOURS, BUT I THINK YOU MAKE A 

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CASE FOR MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE

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SENTENCING GUIDELINES FOR CURSE 

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WORDS, YOU KNOW.

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LIKE HAVE A SCALE.

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GEORGE CARLIN'S SEVEN DIRTY 

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WORDS GET A CERTAIN -- 

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>> I REMEMBER BEING IN COURT 

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WHEN A DEFENDANT SAID TO THE 

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JUDGE, YOU'RE A LYING SOB AND 

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THE JUDGE JUST IGNORED HIM AND 

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HE SAID YOU'RE A PERSIDIOUS SOB 

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AND THE JUDGE SENT HIM TO JAIL.

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I ASKED THE JUDGE ABOUT IT AND 

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HE SAID I CAN IGNORE IT, BUT IF 

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I HAVE TO LOOK UP A WORD, HE'S 

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GOING TO JAIL. 

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>> WELL, JUSTICE IS SACRED.

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YOU HAVE THESE COURTHOUSE 

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SHOOTINGS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT

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DECORUM, BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE 

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SOCKED HIM WITH A FINE AS WELL. 

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>> SO MUCH FOR FREEDOM OF SPEECH

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IN A COURTROOM.

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THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR YOUR 

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OPINION.

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DON'T GO AWAY.

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IN A MOMENT, WE'RE GOING TO TALK

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ABOUT MAKING OUR AREA WALKABLE 

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AND BIKEABLE AND HOW THAT NIGHT 

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NEED TO MORE ECONOMIC 

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DEVELOPMENT.

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CINDY MENSE OF TRAILNET AND 

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SARAH ARNOSKY OF GREATER 

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ST. LOUIS INC. ARE JOINING OUR 

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FOUNDERS, BILL McCLELLAN AND RAY

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HARTMANN, ON DONNYBROOK NEXT UP.

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>> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE

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POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT OF THE 

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BETSY AND THOMAS PATTERSON 

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FOUNDATION AND THE MEMBERS OF 

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NINE PBS. 

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>> WELCOME TO NEXT UP.

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WE'RE JOINED TONIGHT BY CINDY 

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MENSE OF TRAILNET AND SARAH 

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ARNOSKY OF GREATER ST. LOUIS, 

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INC.

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WELCOME TO YOU BOTH.

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>> THANK YOU. 

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>> THANK YOU.

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>> SO TELL US, YOU'RE INVOLVED 

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IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING 

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ST. LOUIS A BIKING AND WALKABLE 

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REGION.

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TELL US HOW YOU'RE GOING ABOUT 

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DOING THAT. 

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>> GREAT.

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THANKS, RAY.

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I'LL GET STARTED.

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I'M CINDY MENSE, THE CEO OF 

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TRAILNET, AND TRAIL NET, WE'RE A

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32-YEAR-OLD ORGANIZATION IN 

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ST. LOUIS, A BIKEABLE/PEDESTRIAN

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ADVOCACY ORG.

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IT WORKS TO MAKE THE STREETS 

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SAFER FOR PEOPLE TO WALKING 

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BIKE, AND USE TRANSIT AS A WAY 

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OF LIFE.

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WE HAVE A TERRIFIC PARTNERSHIP 

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WITH GREATER ST. LOUIS, INC., ON

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TRYING TO MOVE BETTER 

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INFRASTRUCTURE FORWARD.

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SARAH?

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>> THANKS, CINDY.

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YEAH, MY NAME IS SARAH ARNOSKY, 

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I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF GREATER 

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ST. LOUIS INC.

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I BELIEVE YOU HAD OUR CEO, JASON

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HALL, ON THE SHOW A COUPLE WEEKS

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AGO.

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HAPPY TO BE HERE.

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AS CINDY MENTIONED, FROM OUR 

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PERSPECTIVE OF GREATER 

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ST. LOUIS, INC., WHICH IS AN 

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ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CIVIC 

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ORGANIZATION, WE RECOGNIZE THE 

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VALUE OF HAVING A BIKE AND 

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PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY COMMUNITY 

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AND HOW THAT CONTRIBUTES IN MANY

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WAYS, BUT PARTICULARLY IT'S 

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ECONOMIC IMPACT.

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AND SO REALLY WANTING TO PLAY A 

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CRITICAL ROLE AND HELP GET 

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THINGS MOVING FORWARD TO MAKE 

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SURE WE ARE KEEPING UP WITH OUR 

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PEER CITIES AND MAKING ST. LOUIS

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ONE OF THE BEST BIKING 

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COMMUNITIES AND CITIES AROUND 

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THE -- REGIONS, REALLY, AROUND 

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THE COUNTRY. 

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>> YOU INDICATED YOU'RE 32 -- 

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BILL, GO AHEAD. 

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>> NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, 

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I LOVE TO WALK.

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I'M A WALKER, AND WHEN I WAS 

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WORKING DOWNTOWN ALL THE TIME, I

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WOULD OFTEN GO AND WALK ALONG 

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THE RIVER.

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THERE'S A RIVER TRAIL JUST NORTH

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OF DOWNTOWN, AND I'D WALK DOWN 

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TO PRODUCE ROW SOMETIMES, AND 

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THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS THE FLOOD

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WALL GENERALLY SEPARATES THE 

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WALKER OR THE BIKER.

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THERE WOULD BE BICYCLISTS, FROM 

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THE RIVER.

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I THINK TO MYSELF, HERE'S THIS 

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GREAT RESOURCE, THE RIVER, AND 

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I'M ON THE RIVER TRAIL, BUT I 

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CAN'T SEE THE RIVER MOST OF THE 

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TIME.

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I MEAN, HOW CAN WE UTILIZE OUR 

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RIVER A LITTLE BIT BETTER?

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>> YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GREAT 

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QUESTION.

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SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW -- ONE 

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OF THE THINGS THAT GREATER 

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ST. LOUIS, INC., HAS ALSO PAR 

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TAKEN IN THE DESIGN OF DOWNTOWN 

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ST. LOUIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

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ONE OF THE KEY STRATEGIES THAT 

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WAS IDENTIFIED WAS HOW DO WE 

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RE-ENGAGE AND CELEBRATE OUR 

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CONNECTION TO THE RIVER.

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SO YOU DO HAVE THE GREENWAY THAT

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GOES ALONG THE RIVER, BUT I 

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TOTALLY HEAR YOU THAT THERE'S A 

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WALL THAT DOES BLOCK THE VIEW 

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AND THAT CONNECTION TO THE 

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RIVER.

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I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT 

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OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES.

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I KNOW THAT CINDY AT TRAILNET, 

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THEY HELP COLLECT FOLKS TO GO ON

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RIVER RIDES.

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I DON'T KNOW IF, CINDY, YOU WANT

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TO SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL. 

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>> SURE.

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I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT 

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THE RIVERFRONT TRAIL IS A TRAIL 

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THAT TRAILNET ESTABLISHED IN 

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PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF 

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ST. LOUIS MANY YEARS AGO, SO 

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THAT'S A LEGACY PROJECT OF OURS.

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IT DOES NEED -- IT NEEDS CARE 

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AND ATTENTION SO THAT PEOPLE 

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CONTINUE TO USE IT AND FEEL SAFE

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IN THAT AREA.

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IT DOES CONTINUE TO BE A BIT OF 

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A CHALLENGE.

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WHEN THE RIVERFRONT WAS REDONE, 

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WE DO HAVE SOME REALLY GREAT 

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INFRASTRUCTURE THAT TRB PUT IN 

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ALONG LEWIS K. SULLIVAN DRIVE 

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AND THAT CERTAINLY HAS HELPED 

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WITH THAT CONNECTION.

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>> FOR THOSE THAT DON'T FOLLOW 

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YOUR WORK, HOW MUCH -- THERE'S 

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TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT DON'T 

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REALLY KEEP UP WITH EVERYTHING 

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THAT'S GOING ON.

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HOW MUCH DIFFERENT IS ST. LOUIS 

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TODAY THAN IN 1989 WHEN TRAILNET

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WAS FOUNDED?

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WHAT -- CAN YOU POINT TO, WHAT 

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HAVE WE DONE TO DEVELOP OVER 

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THAT PERIOD?

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>> SURE.

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SO ST. LOUIS HAS REALLY CHANGED 

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OVER THE YEARS.

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ONE THING THAT WE KNOW IS THAT 

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POPULATION-WISE, THIS CITY WAS 

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BUILT FOR ABOUT A MILLION PEOPLE

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AND AS WE LOSE POPULATION, WE 

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STILL HAVE THESE ROADWAYS, THESE

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BIG WIDE ROADWAYS WHERE THE 

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STREETCARS USED TO BE, SO YOU'VE

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GOT STREETS THAT ARE 40 AND 50 

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FEET WIDE THAT ARE ACTUALLY 

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CONNECTING JUST NEIGHBORHOODS.

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AND SO WE HAVE THIS GREAT STREET

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GRID THAT ALSO CAN BE -- THE 

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STREET GRID COULD BE USED IN A 

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WAY TO MAKE SURE ROOM FOR 

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PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS TO FEEL

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SAFER ON THE ROADWAYS.

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SO WE'RE MAINTAINING A LOT OF 

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ROADWAY AND THERE'S ROOM TO ADD 

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IN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WOULD 

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MAKE IT SAFER FOR PEOPLE WALKING

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AND BIKING.

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SO THE CHANGES THAT HAVE 

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HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS, WE USED

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TO BE HAPPY WITH JUST A PAINTED 

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BIKE LANE ON THE ROAD OR SOME 

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SHARROWS, BUT THE NATIONAL 

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ASSOCIATION OF TRANSPORTATION 

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OFFICIALS HAVE UPGRADED THE TYPE

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OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS GOING 

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TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFEST.

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AND SO NOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING 

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FOR ARE WHAT WE CALL PROTECTED 

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BIKE LANES OR CYCLE TRACKS.

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SO THAT WAS -- THAT'S A PROJECT 

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THAT, TOGETHER WITH GREATER 

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ST. LOUIS, INC., TRAILNET HELPED

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PROMOTE THIS TOWER GROVE 

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CONNECTOR.

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YOU ARE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THE

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BEST INFRASTRUCTURE IN ST. LOUIS

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FOR KEEPING FOLKS SAFE WHILE 

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WALKING AND BIKING WHERE THEY'RE

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PHYSICALLY SEPARATED FROM 

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TRAFFIC.

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THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF 

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INFRASTRUCTURE NOW THAT WE'RE 

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SEEING MORE AND MORE OF.

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THERE'S ONE PLANNED FOR 20th 

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STREET, ONE PLANNED FOR TUCKER 

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BOULEVARD.

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BOTH OF THOSE ARE FUNDED AS WELL

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AS TOWER GROVE, THE TOWER GROVER

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CONNECTOR.

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SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A SHIFT

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IN THAT DIRECTION.

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MAYBE YOU LIVE BY UNION 

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BOULEVARD.

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THE CITY HAS PUT IN A PROTECTED 

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BIKEWAY AND THEY'RE TESTING OUT 

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NEW INFRASTRUCTURE.

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THESE THINGS ARE CALLED 

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ARMADILLOS, THESE RUBBER 

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PROTECTORS THAT ARE IN THE 

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STREET OR THESE MOUNDS THAT 

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WOULD KEEP CARS FROM GOING INTO 

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THE BIKE LANE.

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SO IT USED TO BE ENOUGH JUST TO 

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HAVE ROOM FOR A BIKE, BUT NOW 

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WITH THE SIZE OF CARS AND 

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DISTRACTED DRIVING, WHAT PEOPLE 

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REALLY ARE DESIRING IS MORE 

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PROTECTED INFRASTRUCTURE AND 

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IT'S JUST REALLY EXCITING TO SEE

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AN ORGANIZATION LIKE GREATER 

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ST. LOUIS, INC., EMBRACE THIS 

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TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

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>> YEAH, I MEAN, WE'D LOVE TO 

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SEE -- YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT 

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THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE MDA IS

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GOING TO, 20th STREET IS A 

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DIRECT ROUTE UP TO THAT.

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THE NEW JOBS AT THE MDA, BUT 

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ALSO HOW THAT'S GOING TO SPUR 

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ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ALONG 20th 

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STREET.

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WE'VE SEEN THAT IN A LOT OF 

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OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE YOU'RE 

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CREATING THIS AMENITY THAT IS 

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EXCITING FOR PEOPLE THAT ALREADY

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LIVE THERE, BUT ALSO ATTRACTS 

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NEW RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES, 

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WHICH THEN ATTRACTS EMPLOYERS, 

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WHICH THEN ATTRACTS INVESTMENT 

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AND MORE TAX REVENUE.

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IT'S REALLY A CYCLICAL PROCESS 

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THAT DOES HAVE MULTIPLE BENEFITS

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IN ADDITION TO CREATING A SAFE 

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ROUTE TO GET FROM POINT A TO 

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POINT B. 

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>> AND RAY, MOST OF THESE 

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CONNECTIONS ARE CONNECTING NORTH

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AND SOUTH INTO AREAS OF 

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STRENGTH.

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SO ST. LOUIS TENDS TO BE AN 

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EAST-WEST CITY, RIGHT?

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OUR BEST CONNECTIONS, YOU'RE 

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GOING TO SEE GOING EAST TO WEST.

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SO A LOT OF TIMES NORTH AND 

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SOUTH IS CUT OUT.

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SO BEING ABLE TO HAVE THIS TYPE 

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OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO CONNECT 

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PEOPLE INTO AREAS OF STRENGTH, 

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CONNECT THEM INTO TRANSIT, CAN 

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REALLY BE A GAME CHANGER. 

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>> WILL YOU BE, LIKE, RUNNING 

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BIKE PATHS LIKE WHERE THE MDA 

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IS?

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IS THAT -- 

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>> 20th STREET IS -- 

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>> WHAT'S THAT?

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>> 20th STREET HAS BEEN FUNDED. 

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>> HOW FAR NORTH DOES IT GO?

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>> IT WILL REACH THE MDA.

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STARTING NOW IN JEFFERSON AND 

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20th STREET AND PRIMARILY IT 

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WILL BE A PROTECTED CYCLE TRACK,

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BUT THEIR DESIGN STILL NEEDS TO 

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HAPPEN. 

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>> AND HOW FAR SOUTH -- 

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>> WE NEED TO MEET WITH THE 

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COMMUNITY TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT

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WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE. 

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>> AND HOW ABOUT SOUTH?

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THE SAME WAY, DID YOU DETERMINE 

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HOW FAR -- 

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>> THAT WILL BE TO UNION 

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STATION. 

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>> YEAH, THAT WILL BE A NICE 

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CONNECTION INTO THE OTHER MAJOR 

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GREENWAY, THE BROOKLINE 

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GREENWAY, SO REALLY THINKING AS 

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CINDY MENTIONED, HOW ARE WE 

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KNITTING NEIGHBORHOODS NORTH AND

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SOUTH AND BEING IN CLOSE 

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PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FOLKS OVER 

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AT THE GREENWAY TO MAKE SURE 

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THESE ALL COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER 

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AND CREATE A BROADER NETWORK 

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THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 

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>> TO GO A LITTLE FURTHER 

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AFIELD, THERE'S THE KATY TRAIL, 

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CHI LIKE IT IMMENSELY --  WHICH 

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I LIKE THE KATY TRAIL IMMENSELY 

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AND I'VE WALKED IT A LONG WAY, 

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BUT DO WE HAVE A WAY TO 

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BICYCLISTS TO GET FROM ST. LOUIS

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TO THE KATY TRAIL EASILY?

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I'M NOT A BICYCLIST, BUT FOR THE

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BICYCLIST TO GET TO THE KATY 

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TRAIL AND ZIP DOWN TO DEFIANCE 

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OR HERMAN SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT 

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TRIP AND I DON'T KNOW HOW EASY 

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IT IS TO GET FROM THE CITY TO 

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THE KATY TRAIL ON A BICYCLE. 

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>> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION, 

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BILL.

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OBVIOUSLY IF YOU START IN 

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ST. CHARLES WHERE THE TRAIL 

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STARTS -- 

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>> THAT'S WHERE I START WALKING,

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BUT I DRIVE TO ST. CHARLES.

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FRIENDS WHO ARE CYCLISTS, HOW 

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WOULD YOU BICYCLE THERE?

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>> PERSONALLY, I'VE TAKEN THE 

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BUS TO CHESTERFIELD AND HOPPED 

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ON TO THE TRAIL IN CHESTERFIELD 

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TO GET THERE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, 

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IT COULD CERTAINLY BE 

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PRIORITIZED.

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SOME PEOPLE WILL USE THE TRAIN 

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AND THEY'LL TAKE THE TRAIN TO 

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WASHINGTON, MISSOURI, AND THEN 

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TRY AND GET TO THE TRAIL FROM 

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THERE IF FOLKS DON'T WANT TO GET

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IN THE CAR.

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HOW HAVE YOU DONE IT, SARAH?

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>> UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NOT A 

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GREAT CYCLING OR PEDESTRIAN 

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ROUTE FROM THE CITY ITSELF, BUT 

37:45.743 --> 37:46.878
YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT WITH 

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THE KATY TRAIL, WHAT A WONDERFUL

37:49.347 --> 37:52.050
ASSET IT IS FOR THE REGION AND 

37:52.116 --> 37:55.286
WE DO KNOW, COMPETING WITH SITE 

37:55.353 --> 37:56.554
SELECTORS, EVERYTHING FROM THE 

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KATY TRAIL DOWN TO THESE SECOND 

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BIKEWAYS ARE JUST IMPORTANT 

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ASSETS SO I THINK AS YOU'RE 

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MENTIONING, LINKING THEM 

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TOGETHER WOULD BE A GREAT FUTURE

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PROJECT. 

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>> HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHERE TO 

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PUT THESE?

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IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT -- YOU 

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TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF 

38:10.201 --> 38:12.336
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS 

38:12.403 --> 38:13.604
GREAT, BUT THESE -- IT'S SORT OF

38:13.671 --> 38:15.606
A CHICKEN AND AN EGG QUESTION.

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DO YOU LOOK FOR PLACES THAT HAVE

38:19.377 --> 38:21.746
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO SUPPORT 

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AND COVER SUCH AS LIKE FOR 

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EXAMPLE WHEN THE NGA IS BUILT, 

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YOU OBVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE A PLACE

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TO GO TO, OR DOES IT GO IN THE 

38:29.220 --> 38:30.254
OTHER DIRECTION WHERE YOU JUST 

38:30.321 --> 38:33.524
DECIDE WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO AND 

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HOPE THAT DEVELOPMENT SPRINGS UP

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AROUND IT?

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>> RAY, IT REALLY BEGAN -- SO 

38:39.864 --> 38:42.200
TRAILNET BEGAN THIS EFFORT IN 

38:42.266 --> 38:42.467
2016.

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WE LAUNCHED THIS BOLD VISION FOR

38:44.769 --> 38:46.270
HOW DO WE CONNECT ST. LOUIS FOR 

38:46.337 --> 38:48.239
BETTER AND SAFER WALKING AND 

38:48.306 --> 38:48.473
BIKING.

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THE PLAN WAS CALLED CONNECTING 

38:50.641 --> 38:51.075
ST. LOUIS.

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IT WASN'T FUNDED BY ANYONE 

38:53.644 --> 38:56.114
EXCEPT TRAILNET MEMBERS, AND 

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JUST THROUGH TRAILNET GENERAL 

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FUNDRAISING TO DO THIS PROJECT.

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AND WE WERE ABLE TO PUT THE 

39:01.919 --> 39:03.921
PEOPLE -- PUT THE PEOPLE'S IDEAS

39:03.988 --> 39:04.155
FIRST.

39:04.222 --> 39:05.690
WE WORKED WITH THE CITY OF 

39:05.757 --> 39:06.124
ST. LOUIS.

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WE HAD EIGHT DIFFERENT 

39:08.092 --> 39:09.961
DEPARTMENTS FROM THE CITY OF 

39:10.027 --> 39:10.862
ST. LOUIS JOINING US.

39:10.928 --> 39:12.063
JASON HALL JOINED US ON ONE OF 

39:12.130 --> 39:14.832
OUR COMMITTEES AS WELL, GREAT 

39:14.899 --> 39:15.900
RIVERS GREENWAY.

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SOME OF THE UNIVERSITIES JOINED 

39:17.368 --> 39:18.002
US.

39:18.069 --> 39:19.437
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS 

39:19.504 --> 39:20.371
INTERESTS IN THIS.

39:20.438 --> 39:22.173
IT WAS REALLY JUST ORGANIZATIONS

39:22.240 --> 39:23.307
LOOKING AT WHAT KIND OF 

39:23.374 --> 39:24.742
INFRASTRUCTURE DO WE NEED AND 

39:24.809 --> 39:28.513
WHERE DO PEOPLE NEED TO CONNECT 

39:28.579 --> 39:31.382
FOR ACCESS TO TRANSIT AND TO 

39:31.449 --> 39:31.983
OPPORTUNITIES.

39:32.049 --> 39:34.619
WE HAD OVER 4,000 RESPONDENTS TO

39:34.685 --> 39:36.320
HELP US SORT THROUGH WHERE ARE 

39:36.387 --> 39:37.321
THESE OPPORTUNITY STREETS AND 

39:37.388 --> 39:38.589
WHERE DO THEY EXIST.

39:38.656 --> 39:41.092
AND SO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, IT 

39:41.159 --> 39:43.294
TOOK US ABOUT TWO YEARS.

39:43.361 --> 39:44.562
SEVERAL PROJECTS, SEVERAL 

39:44.629 --> 39:46.864
STREETS CAME FORWARD.

39:46.931 --> 39:49.033
WE HAVE ABOUT 12 MILES OF 

39:49.100 --> 39:53.037
CONNECTIONS THAT WE PROPOSED, 

39:53.104 --> 39:54.372
AND THAT'S WHERE OUR PARTNERS 

39:54.438 --> 39:55.740
LIKE GREATER ST. LOUIS, INC., 

39:55.807 --> 39:58.442
CAME IN AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT.

39:58.509 --> 40:00.711
THIS CONNECTION HERE TO TOWER 

40:00.778 --> 40:01.345
GROVE PARK IS SOMETHING THAT 

40:01.412 --> 40:03.080
APPEALED TO THEM.

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SO I CAN LET SARAH TALK MORE 

40:05.216 --> 40:06.684
ABOUT THAT, BUT CURRENTLY WE 

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HAVE ABOUT 40% OF THE ROUTES WE 

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PROPOSED EITHER FUNDED FOR 

40:11.522 --> 40:12.723
FEDERAL CONSTRUCTION OR THEY'RE 

40:12.790 --> 40:14.292
ABLE TO BE TAKEN UP BY ENTITIES 

40:14.358 --> 40:16.694
WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD THEM.

40:16.761 --> 40:18.196
SO THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS MIGHT 

40:18.262 --> 40:20.464
BE LEADING THE EFFORT, FOR 

40:20.531 --> 40:22.800
INSTANCE, ON 20th STREET AND 

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GREAT RIVERS GREENWAY ADOPTING A

40:24.702 --> 40:26.404
CONNECTION UP TO FAIRGROUNDS 

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PARK AS WELL.

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SO IT'S REALLY AN IDEA THAT'S 

40:29.807 --> 40:31.976
RESONATING.

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>> YEAH, PERFECT.

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SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO THE 

40:34.478 --> 40:36.447
TOWER GROVE CONNECTOR, AGAIN, 

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THAT'S A 1.4-MILE PROTECTED BIKE

40:39.984 --> 40:41.485
LANE FROM TOWER GROVE PARK ALL 

40:41.552 --> 40:43.387
THE WAY UP TO THE GROVE.

40:43.454 --> 40:44.889
SO YOU ASK THE QUESTION, IS IT 

40:44.956 --> 40:46.190
ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IS 

40:46.257 --> 40:47.625
IT ABOUT NEEDS.

40:47.692 --> 40:49.360
THIS WAS ACTUALLY A REALLY 

40:49.427 --> 40:50.761
WONDERFUL ROUTE BECAUSE IT 

40:50.828 --> 40:52.463
ALREADY IS IN ONE OF THE MOST 

40:52.530 --> 40:53.631
TRAVELED BIKE ROUTES IN THE 

40:53.698 --> 40:53.831
CITY.

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A LOT OF FOLKS ARE USING THAT TO

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GET TO THEIR JOBS AT THE EJC 

41:00.304 --> 41:02.707
CAMPUS OR TO CORTEX, SO YOU KIND

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OF ALREADY HAD A GOOD LEVEL OF 

41:04.242 --> 41:05.843
TRAFFIC HAPPENING, SO PEOPLE 

41:05.910 --> 41:07.812
WANTED TO SEE AN EVEN BETTER 

41:07.879 --> 41:08.946
INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE.

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SO THEN WHAT WE ALSO LOVED ABOUT

41:10.915 --> 41:13.618
ROUTE IS YOU'RE CONNECTING TOWER

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GROVE PARK TO THE BOTANICAL 

41:15.353 --> 41:15.586
GARDEN.

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ALL THE NEW LITTLE SHOPS THAT 

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ARE POPPING UP ON BOTANICAL 

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HEIGHTS, YOU HAVE ENDO AND UNION

41:24.095 --> 41:26.831
LOAFERS AND IT'S BRAND NEW ICE 

41:26.898 --> 41:29.300
CREAM SANDWICH PLACE, ALL THESE 

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LITTLE INTERSECTION AND THEN YOU

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GO FURTHER NORTH ITEM ALONG 

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VANDEVENTER, IT'S JUST RIPE WITH

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POTENTIAL.

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YOU ALREADY HAVE ROCKWELL 

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BREWERY RIGHT THERE, AND THEN 

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THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER IDEAS 

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FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT WHEN YOU 

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ADD SOMETHING LIKE A CYCLE TRACK

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TO IT, IT JUST GETS PEOPLE EVEN 

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MORE EXCITED AND THEY WANT TO 

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INVEST AND BE A PART OF THIS 

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MOMENTUM THAT'S HAPPENING.

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>> AND THE RESEARCH SHOWS THAT 

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THEY SPEND MORE MONEY.

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SO PEOPLE ON BIKES STOP MORE 

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FREQUENTLY AND THEY SPEND MORE 

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MONEY BECAUSE THEY'RE SHOPPING 

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MORE FREQUENTLY AND GETTING TO 

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KNOW THINGS ON A HUMAN SCALE.

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SO THEY'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S

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ON SALE AT THE SHOPS BECAUSE 

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THEY'RE MOVING SLOWLY ENOUGH TO 

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SEE ALL THAT AS THEY GO THROUGH.

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>> SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THERE WERE

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COMPETING BICYCLE RENTAL PLACES 

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WHERE YOU'D SEE THESE BIKES 

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LAYING AROUND ALL THE TIME.

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I MEAN, ONE WAS LIME GREEN AND 

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ANOTHER WAS SOMETHING ELSE, AND 

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I THOUGHT, WELL, THIS IS KIND OF

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EXCITING.

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MORE PEOPLE BICYCLING, AND ALL 

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OF A SUDDEN, THEY WERE GONE.

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WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT?

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>> I MISS THOSE BIKES.

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BUT GO AHEAD, CINDY.

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>> WELL, I TELL YOU WHAT.

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I'VE ALWAYS HEARD REALLY GREAT 

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THINGS WHEN PEOPLE SAW THE BIKE 

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SHARE BIKES, EVEN THE CRABBY 

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PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE, YOU BIKE 

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PEOPLE, WERE EXCITED ABOUT THE 

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BIKE SHARE BIKES.

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WHAT SEEMED TO HAPPEN IS IT LAID

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THE GROUNDWORK FOR THE SCOOTERS,

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WHICH ARE EASIER FOR THE 

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COMPANIES TO PLACE.

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THEY CAN PUT MORE OF THE 

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SCOOTERS OUT AND YOU DON'T HAVE 

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TO BE ABLE TO RIDE A BIKE.

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SOME MORE DENSE CITIES ARE 

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SEEING ELECTRIC BIKES AS PART OF

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THE ASSET -- THE RESOURCES THAT 

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ARE COMING TO THEIR CITIES.

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ST. LOUIS YET HASN'T BEEN ON 

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THAT LIST TO GET ELECTRIC BIKES 

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INCLUDED AS PART OF THE 

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OFFERINGS.

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I'M SURE YOU SAW THE SCOERS 

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COMING BACK ON THE STREETS AND 

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SCOOTERS, YOU KNOW, WE CALL THEM

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BIKE LANES, BUT THESE LANES, 

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THEY'RE MULTI-USE LANES FOR 

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PEOPLE USING MOTORIZED DEVICES 

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LIKE WHEELCHAIRS AND ALSO FOR 

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SCOOTERS.

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SO THE BIKES, I THINK THAT THEY 

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BECAME JUST TOO EXPENSIVE FOR 

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THE COMPANIES TO KEEP UP AND 

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THEY CAN MAKE MORE MONEY ON THE 

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SCOOTERS. 

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>> ARE THE BICYCLES WORKING 

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ANYWHERE?

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I MEAN, THE RENTAL BIKES THAT 

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SEEMED LIKE WAS SUCH A GROWING 

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THING?

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>> WELL, IN INDIANAPOLIS THEY'RE

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WORKING GREAT AROUND THE 

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INDIANAPOLIS CULTURAL TRAIL.

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THEY'RE STILL USING THEM IN 

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KANSAS CITY, BIKE WALK KC, 

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SIMILAR TO TRAILNET.

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THEY ACTUALLY RUN IT WITH SOME 

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FEDERAL SUPPORT FOR FUNDING, FOR

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DOING THAT.

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YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THEM IN D.C.

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AND CHICAGO.

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IN D.C., YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A 

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CAR THAT'S GOING TO TAKE -- 

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>> WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THAT HERE?

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WHY CAN'T WE HAVE NICE THINGS?

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>> I THINK BILL WANTS TO RENT A 

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BIKE. 

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>> YEAH, HAVING A SMOOTH 

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TRANSITION FROM USING TRANSIT TO

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BEING ABLE TO USE SCOOTER OR A 

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BIKE, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR 

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CMT, BUT I KNOW -- I MEAN FOR 

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METRO TRANSIT, I KNOW THEY'RE 

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NOT AGAINST IT AND THOSE ARE 

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CERTAINLY ADVANCES THAT WILL 

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MAKE THE SYSTEM EASIER FOR THAT 

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LAST MILE CONNECTION.

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>> AND I THINK THE OTHER PIECE, 

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TOO, AS WE BUILD OUT THE BIKE 

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NETWORK AND WE GET MORE CYCLISTS

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OUT THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS -- YOU

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KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO 

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BIKE A LOT IN ST. LOUIS WILL 

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TELL YOU THERE'S A LOT OF 

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OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONSISTS OF 

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CARS.

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IT REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT 

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NEEDS TO BE MORE NORMALIZED FOR 

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LACK OF A BETTER TERM, FOR 

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PEOPLE RIDING BIKES AROUND.

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YOU SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE NICE 

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THINGS AND THEN PEOPLE TAKE CARE

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OF THEM AND THEY CONTINUE TO USE

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THEM.

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>> YOU MENTIONED JASON HALL 

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EARLIER, WHO OF COURSE, IS THE 

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CEO OF GREATER ST. LOUIS, INC.

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I ASSUME WHEN HE WAS TAKING PART

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IN THIS, THAT WAS PART OF ARTS 

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TO THE PARK, CORRECT?

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>> YES, I HAD WORKED UNDER JASON

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AS ARCH TO THE PARK AND WE 

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KICKED OFF THIS PROJECT AND 

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CARRIED IT FORWARD. 

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>> IS IT THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT

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ARCH TO THE PARK IS INVESTING IT

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OR IS IT MORE OF A COMMUTER -- 

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IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T KNOW HOW

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MUCH INVESTMENT IS INVOLVED IN 

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BUILDING THESE AND WHETHER THE 

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PRIVATE SECTOR IS INVOLVED OR 

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THE PUBLIC OR BOTH IN MAKING 

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DECISIONS WHERE TO INVEST IN 

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THESE TRAILS AND SO FORTH.

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>> YEAH, GREAT QUESTION.

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SO BECAUSE THIS PROJECT 

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INITIALLY LAUNCHED WITH -- 

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EXCUSE ME, WITH APPLYING TO 

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FEDERAL GRANT MONEY, SO THIS IS 

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VERY MUCH A PRIVATE-PUBLIC 

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PARTNERSHIP, SO THIS PARTICULAR 

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STRETCH, THE TOWER GROVE 

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CONNECTOR, DOES HAVE A 

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$5.6 MILLION FEDERAL GRANT THAT 

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IS GOING TOWARDS CONSTRUCTION.

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BUT WE HAD AS ARCH TO PARK AND 

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NOW GREATER ST. LOUIS, INC., HAS

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ALSO COMMITTED FUNDING FOR THE 

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PRIVATE MATCH IN ADDITION TO THE

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APPLICATION PROCESS, IN ADDITION

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TO THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN 

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PHASE OF THIS PROJECT.

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SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ONE OF MANY

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PARTNERS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING 

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IN THE PROJECT, BUT WE ARE ONE 

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OF THE LEAD FUNDERS TO MAKE IT 

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HAPPEN.

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BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE RECOGNIZE HOW

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IMPORTANT IT IS FOR OUR REGION 

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TO GROW, TO HAVE THESE KINDS OF 

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AMENITIES. 

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>> CAN I SAY, HOW MUCH IS THAT 

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INVESTMENT?

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>> ALL IN, IT'S -- I'M GOING 

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TO -- I THINK IT'S ABOUT 

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2.6 MILLION. 

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>> FROM THE PRIVATE -- FROM ARCH

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TO PARK OR GREATER ST. LOUIS?

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>> CORRECT. 

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>> I GUESS IT -- OKAY. 

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>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT EARLY

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ON WHEN ARCH TO THE PARK 

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EMBRACED THIS PROJECT, THEY PAID

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FOR AN ENGINEERING STUDY TO JUST

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MAKE US READY TO APPLY FOR THE 

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FUNDS THROUGH THE CITY.

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SO THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS HAS 

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BEEN A GREAT PARTNER WORKING 

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THROUGH THIS AND WE'VE HAD 

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ALDERMEN WHO DEDICATED SOME OF 

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THEIR FUNDING TOWARD GETTING 

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THIS DONE, SO MANY PARTNERS HAVE

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COME TOGETHER TO REALLY MAKE 

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THIS A SUCCESS.

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>> YEAH, AND JUST TO REITERATE 

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AGAIN, THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS, 

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THAT'S HOW WE -- THEY'RE THE 

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MAIN PARTNER ON THIS BECAUSE WE 

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CAN'T APPLY FOR FUNDS FROM THE 

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FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITHOUT THE 

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PARTNERSHIP OF THE CITY, SO THEY

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REALLY HAVE BEEN ADVOCATES IN 

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WANTING TO SEE THESE KINDS OF 

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PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD ALL 

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THROUGHOUT.

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>> DO YOU THINK WE HAVE MORE 

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HOSTILITY FROM DRIVERS TOWARD 

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BICYCLES IN THIS CITY THAN IN 

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MOST CITIES?

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I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE 

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WHENEVER THERE'S A CONVERSATION 

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ABOUT BICYCLISTS, SOME GRUMPY 

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OLD GUY USUALLY WILL SAY, OH, 

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THOSE BICYCLISTS, THEY'RE ON 

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CLAYTON ROAD, TAKING UP AN 

47:59.290 --> 47:59.690
ENTIRE LANE.

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AND IF YOU SAY, SIR, WITH EVER 

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TO SHARE THE ROAD, PEOPLE GET 

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UPSET AND COMPLAIN ABOUT 

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BICYCLISTS.

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IS THAT COMMON EVERYWHERE OR IS 

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THAT MORE PREVALENT HERE?

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>> CAN WE EMPHASIZE, WE ARE NOT 

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THE GRUMPY OLD GUYS.

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YOU JUST PUT IT -- 

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>> YOU'RE NOT EVEN THE OLD GUYS.

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STILL A YOUNG GUY. 

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>> I THINK YOU'RE KIND OF 

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SORTING OUT THERE THINGS.

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THE ACTIVITY YOU SEE A CLAYTON 

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ROAD, THAT'S OFTEN ON THE 

48:29.920 --> 48:30.721
WEEKENDS, RIGHT?

48:30.788 --> 48:30.988
>> YES. 

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>> AND YOU MIGHT SEE LARGER 

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GROUPS OF FOLKS RECREATING 

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AND -- 

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>> SOMETIMES YOU JUST SEE TWO 

48:38.896 --> 48:40.431
PEOPLE AND THEY'LL BE RIDING 

48:40.497 --> 48:41.799
ALONG IN THE RIGHT-HAND LANE, 

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BUT NOT SINGLE FILE.

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SO PEOPLE DO HAVE TO GO AROUND 

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THEM.

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I MEAN, I'M -- I'M NOT 

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IMPATIENT, BUT MANY PEOPLE ARE.

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>> YES.

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>> TWO PEOPLE SIDE BY SIDE 

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PROBABLY TAKE LESS ROOM THAN AN 

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SUV. 

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>> OH, ABSOLUTELY, BUT THEY GO 

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MUCH SLOWER THAN AN SUV. 

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>> I WOULD SAY, I'M A BIKE 

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COMMUTER, SO I LIVE IN YOUR 

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NEIGHBORHOOD, BILL, AND I BIKE 

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TO DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS AND I 

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WOULD SAY OVER THE LAST SEVEN 

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YEARS, IN BIKING TO WORK, MAYBE 

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TWO OR THREE TIMES I MIGHT HAVE 

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BEEN YELLED AT AND TOLD TO GET 

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ON THE SIDEWALK. 

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>> THAT'S NOT SO BAD. 

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>> BUT NOT BY BILL.

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NOT BY BILL. 

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>> THAT'S NOT THAT BAD. 

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>> I DON'T THINK IT WAS BILL.

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>> OKAY.

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NO, IT WASN'T ME. 

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>> HE'S MORE LIKELY TO SAY GET 

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OFF MY LINE. 

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>> AT TRAILNET, WE ALSO WORK ON 

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POLICY, AND SO WE HELP TO 

49:33.684 --> 49:34.852
ESTABLISH AN ANTI-HARASSMENT 

49:34.918 --> 49:37.454
POLICY SO THAT CYCLISTS CANNOT 

49:37.521 --> 49:38.122
BE HARASSED.

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SOMEBODY CAN BE PROSECUTED FOR 

49:40.224 --> 49:40.891
HARASSING A CYCLIST. 

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>> REALLY?

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>> YOU KNOW, THROWING A PIECE OF

49:43.293 --> 49:46.130
PIZZA AT THEM HAPPENED TO ONE OF

49:46.196 --> 49:48.065
MY INTERNS, BUT WE DID ESTABLISH

49:48.132 --> 49:51.201
THAT BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO 

49:51.268 --> 49:53.437
FEEL SAFE USING TRANSIT, WALKING

49:53.504 --> 49:54.605
BIKING, USING OTHER FORMS OF 

49:54.671 --> 49:56.073
TRANSIT AND TRANSPORTATION AND 

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NOT BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.

49:58.342 --> 50:02.179
WOMEN FIND THAT A LOT, THAT THEY

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CAN BE A TARGET WHILE THEY'RE 

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WALKING OR BIKING, AND SO WE 

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HELPED ESTABLISH THAT POLICY IN 

50:10.087 --> 50:10.421
ST. LOUIS. 

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>> WELL, CINDY, IF YOU'RE A 

50:11.889 --> 50:14.324
NEIGHBOR OF MINE, I TAKE IT YOU 

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BICYCLE A LOT IN FOREST PARK?

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>> ABSOLUTELY.

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>> RIGHT.

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I MEAN, WHAT A GREAT PLACE THAT 

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IS.

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>> AND PART OF THAT IS THAT IT'S

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PROTECTED, TOO, RIGHT?

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BOTH FOREST PARK HAS PROTECT TD 

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LANES AND THIS NEW ONE WITH 

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TOWER GROVE CONNECTOR IS 

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PROTECTED TO HELP REDUCE SOME OF

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THE CONFLICT WITH CARS, BUT THE 

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OTHER PIECE THAT'S KIND OF 

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EXCITING ABOUT THESE NEW 

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INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, NOT 

50:37.247 --> 50:38.782
ONLY SIT BETTER FOR BIKES AND 

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PEDS, IT'S BETTER FOR CARS TOO 

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BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO UPGRADING 

50:41.652 --> 50:42.419
SOME OF THE SIGNALS.

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YOU'RE NO LONGER SITTING AT RED 

50:44.621 --> 50:45.923
LIGHTS EVERY TIME YOU HIT A 

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LIGHT, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE 

50:47.758 --> 50:49.193
COORDINATED TO HELP WITH THE 

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FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND REDUCE ANY 

50:51.261 --> 50:52.129
IDLING TO HELP IMPROVE THE AIR 

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QUALITY AS WELL.

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I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE 

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FOCUS A LOT ON THE BIKE/PED, IT 

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ACTUALLY DOES HAVE IMPROVEMENTS 

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FOR CARS AS WELL.

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>> OKAY.

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>> AND IT'S WONDERFUL WORK.

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HAVE YOU EVER QUAUN IF I TI FIDE

51:10.247 --> 51:12.049
THE IMPACT -- QUANTIFIED THE 

51:12.115 --> 51:13.217
IMPACT YOU'RE HAVING?

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I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU MEASURE HOW

51:14.551 --> 51:17.721
MANY PEOPLE ARE CYCLING, BUT 

51:17.788 --> 51:21.091
THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT, TO 

51:21.158 --> 51:24.661
SAY WE HAVE THIS MANY MORE 

51:24.728 --> 51:25.729
CYCLISTS THAN WE DID?

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>> THERE'S A VARIETY OF WAYS WE 

51:28.532 --> 51:28.832
MEASURE.

51:28.899 --> 51:30.834
ONE OF THOSE IS APPLYING TO 

51:30.901 --> 51:32.936
BECOME A BIKE FRIENDLY STEP.

51:33.003 --> 51:34.805
ST. LOUIS HAS A SILVER LEVEL, 

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THEY MOVED UP FROM BRONZE AND 

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WORKING TOWARD A GOLD LEVEL 

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RECOGNITION OR PLATINUM.

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WE ALSO -- TRAILNET HOSTS, EACH 

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YEAR WE DO A BIKE COUNT A 

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BIKE/PED COUNT IN SEPTEMBER, SO 

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WE'LL SPEND TWO DAYS OUT THERE 

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COUNTING PEOPLE WALKING AND 

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BIKING AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS.

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WE SECURE A BURCH OF VOLUNTEERS 

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AND -- A BUNCH OF VOLUNTEERS AND

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YOU'LL SEE US OUT THERE WITH OUR

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CLIPBOARDS LOOKING NOSY AND 

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COUNTING PEOPLE WALKING AND 

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BIKING SO WE CAN GET A BETTER 

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INDICATION WITH OUR OWN DATA OF 

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HOW TRAVELED THESE AREAS ARE.

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AND WE CAN ALSO COMPARE IT TO 

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CRAFT DATA.

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WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF CRASH DATA

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ON WHERE WE'RE SEEING MORE 

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CRASHES THAT ARE FATAL FOR 

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PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS, TO 

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HELP THE CITY PRIORITIZE WHERE 

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THEY PUT IN IMPROVEMENTS.

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>> OKAY.

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SARAH, A MINUTE AGO YOU 

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MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT 

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TRAFFIC LIGHTS, THAT THEY'RE 

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BEING TIMED BETTER OR SOMETHING.

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WHERE DO YOU STAND ON BICYCLISTS

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WHO COME UP TO A RED LIGHT AND 

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LOOK AND MAKE SURE NOBODY'S 

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COMING, BUT THEN CROSS.

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I MEAN, I LOOK AT IT AND I THINK

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THAT'S PROBABLY A SAFE THING TO 

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DO, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY 

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THOSE DARN CYCLISTS, THEY DON'T 

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PAY ATTENTION TO THE RULES OF 

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THE ROAD.

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WHERE ARE YOU ON THAT?

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>> IT'S FUNNY WE HAD A PUBLIC 

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OPEN HOUSE ON THE TOWER GROVE 

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CONNECTOR YESTERDAY AND I HAD A 

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GENTLEMAN COME IN, HE WAS AN 

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AVID CYCLIST AND HE WAS VERY 

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ADAMANT THAT IT WAS VERY 

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IMPORTANT FOR CYCLISTS TO FOLLOW

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ALL TRAFFIC RULES BECAUSE AS 

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SOON AS PEOPLE START BREAKING 

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THEM, THAT'S WHEN ACCIDENTS 

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HAPPEN AND PEOPLE GET UPSET.

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IT REALLY IS BEST PRACTICE TO 

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FOLLOW TRAFFIC RULES EVEN THOUGH

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IT DOES LOOK CAREER.

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DO I FOLLOW THAT EVERY TIME, 

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I'M -- YOU KNOW.

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>> ACTUALLY, THERE IS A STATUTE 

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FOR A BICYCLIST THAT YOU CAN 

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STOP FOR A DEAD -- IF A RED 

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LIGHT ISN'T REGISTERING YOU AS A

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CYCLIST, SO KIND OF A FUZZY 

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AREA, BUT LET'S SAY IT'S ONE OF 

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THOSE LIGHTS THAT ONLY DETECTS 

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CARS AND THE LIGHT DOESN'T TURN,

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LIKE AT JEFFERSON AND LOCUST, IT

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WON'T REGISTER YOU AS A CYCLIST,

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SO YOU WON'T GET THE LIGHT.

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AND SO THERE IS A LAW THAT 

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CYCLIST GO THROUGH A DEAD RED BY

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COMING TO A STOP.

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IF THE RED LIGHT DOESN'T 

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RECOGNIZE THEM, THEY CAN GO 

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THROUGH IT.

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SO YEAH. 

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>> NOW WE KNOW. 

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>> YEAH.

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IT IS LEGAL IF IT'S NOT 

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REGISTERING YOU.

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>> WELL, I CAN SEE WHERE IT'S 

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EVEN A SAFE THING TO DO 

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SOMETIMES.

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I SEE A BICYCLIST COME UP AND HE

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OR SHE KNOWS THAT IN A FEW 

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MINUTES SOMEBODY MIGHT BE COMING

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DOWN, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S CLEAR, 

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BUT THE DRIVER SITTING THERE 

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NEXT TO HIM OR HER -- 

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>> WELL, IF A DRIVER WAS THERE 

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WITH THE CYCLIST, THAT DOESN'T 

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QUALIFY.

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I'M SAYING IF THE CYCLIST -- 

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>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE 

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SAYING. 

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>> WE'RE OUT OF TIME, RUNNING 

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OUT OF TIME.

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REALLY QUICKLY, WHERE CAN PEOPLE

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FIND THESE RULES OF THE ROAD?

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CAN YOU TELL US IN TEN SECONDS?

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>> YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY FIND THEM 

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ON TRAILNET'S WEBSITE AT 

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TRAILNET.ORG. 

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>> ALL THE RULES OF CYCLING?

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WE WANT TO THANK YOU, SARAH 

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ARNOSKY OF GREATER ST. LOUIS, 

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INC., AND CINDY MENSE OF 

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TRAILNET FOR DOING SUCH A GREAT 

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JOB OF TOLERATING OUR QUESTIONS.

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YOU'RE WELCOME BACK ANYTIME ON 

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NEXT UP.

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THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR 

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INSIGHTS.

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WE APPRECIATE IT AND TO OUR 

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DONNYBROOK AUDIENCE, WE WILL SEE

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YOU AGAIN NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT.

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>> WE HOPE TO SEE YOU ON THE 

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MOONLIGHT RAMBLE AUGUST 21st.

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WE'LL BE IN TOWER GROVE. 

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>> THANK YOU.

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>> BYE.

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