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>> HEY, THANKS FOR JOINING US

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FOR THIS EDITION OF DONNYBROOK.

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GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US AND A

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LOT OF HOT TOPICS IN THIS MID

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JULY EDITION.

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BUT AFTER THAT, WE'RE GOING TO

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TALK TO TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO

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THINK THAT MAKING A WALKABLE,

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BIKEABLE ST. LOUIS WILL REALLY

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YIELD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

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WE'LL TALK TO CINDY MENSE OF

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TRAILNET AND SARAH ARNOSKY, VICE

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PRESIDENT AT GREATER ST. LOUIS

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INC.

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BUT FIRST LET'S DISCUSS THE

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ISSUES WITH OUR PANEL.

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LET'S MEET THEM.

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WENDY WIESE IS THE NEWS DIRECTOR

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FOR THE BIG 550 KTRS.

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ALSO THE COHOST OF THE JENNIFER

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AND WENDY SHOW.

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MR. BILL McCLELLAN IS WITH US, A

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FOUNDER OF THE PROGRAM.

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HE'S WITH THE ST. LOUIS

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RAY HARTMANN WITH RAWSTORY.COM,

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THE BIG 550, KTRS, AND THE

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RIVERFRONT TIMES, ANOTHER

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FOUNDER.

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AND HE'S THE NEWS EDITOR AND

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SPORTS COLUMNIST WITH THE

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ST. LOUIS AMERICAN, ALVIN REID.

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OKAY, LET ME ASK YOU, RAY

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HARTMANN, IT WAS KIND OF

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PEOPLE SAID THE TEN OR WAS IT

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12-HOUR MEETING THIS WEEK OF THE

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SHATTERED ALL RECORDS FOR THIS

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LEGISLATIVE BODY THAT NEVER NET

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TRUE, BUT NONETHELESS, THIS YEAR

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FEDERAL DOLLARS FROM THE

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AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN AND A LOT

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OF THAT HAS BEEN ALLOCATED

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THANKS TO ACTION BY THE BOARD.

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DIRECT PAYMENTS OF $500 WILL GO

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TO 10,000 NEEDY ST. LOUISANS.

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GIFT CARDS GO TO ST. LOUISANS SO

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THE POLICE WILL GET $5 MILLION

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IN OVERTIME AND ALL THIS GOES TO

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THE BOARD OF ESTIMATE AND

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APPORTIONMENT WHICH MEETS FRI,

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THERE'S ANOTHER STEP BEFORE THIS

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BECOMES REALITY, BUT OVERALL,

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>> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE

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CYNICAL ABOUT THE CITY OF

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ST. LOUIS AND I WISH WASHINGTON

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WOULD WORK AS WELL AS THE CITY

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OF ST. LOUIS DID.

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PRESIDENT AND THEY SAT DOWN AND

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COMPROMISE, AND I HAPPEN TO

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FIRST CAME UP AND BILL McCLELLAN

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SAID WHY NOT JUST TAKE THE

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WERE RIGHT THERE, SO MAYBE THIS

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DOG FIGHT, BUT IT'S CALLED

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THAT'S, I THINK, ALL THAT MOST

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OF AMERICA WANTS RIGHT NOW.

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HEY, I GOT A WIN OUT OF THIS,

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THAT'S NOT A BAD THING.

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THAT'S NOT A BAD THING AT ALL.

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SO HEY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET

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THE JOB DONE, GET THE JOB DONE.

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>> WELL -- I'M SORRY, BILL.

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GO AHEAD.

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>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, I'M HAPPY

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WITH IT, TOO, BUT IT'S GOING TO

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BE INTERESTING TO FIGURE OUT

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WHAT 10,000 PEOPLE GET $500

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BECAUSE THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF

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PEOPLE WHO COULD USE $500.

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DO YOU GIVE IT TO THE POOREST

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PEOPLE OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE

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SOMEBODY WHO WAS IMPACTED

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DIRECTLY BY COVID, SOMEONE WHO

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LOST THEIR JOB?

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I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF

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THAT, BUT IT WILL BE

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INTERESTING.

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>> REALLY BROADCASTERS SHOULD BE

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FIRST IN LINE.

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>> WE'VE HAD STIMULUS CHECKS

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FROM PRESIDENT BUSH, PRESIDENT

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TRUMP, PRESIDENT BIDEN BECAUSE

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OF COVID.

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JEFFREY BOYD AND LEWIS REED WERE

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CERTAINLY NOT IN FAVOR OF IT

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JUST ON ITS MERITS BECAUSE

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THEY'RE SAYING THAT IT'S -- YOU

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CAN'T PROVE THAT IT'S GOING TO

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MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE

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AND THAT IT WAS JUST GOOD MONEY

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AFTER BAD OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

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MAYOR JONES SAID THAT THIS WILL

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ADDRESS THE CRIME ISSUE AT -- OR

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THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE CRIME

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ISSUE IN THE CITY AND IT WILL

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KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES.

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AND I THINK THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT

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TO EXPECT OF A $500 CHECK.

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HOW $500 ADDRESSES THE ROOT

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CAUSES OF CRIME IN OUR CITY.

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>> WELL, NO, THAT'S POLITICAL

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TALK.

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IT WILL ADDRESS IT.

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NOW, IT MAY BE ONE GAZILLIONth

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OF, YOU KNOW, IMPACT, BUT IT

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COULD -- IT COULD -- PROBABLY

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WILL MAKE SOME IMPACT.

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GOING TO SOLVE CRIME.

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POLITICIANS POPULAR WHEN THEY

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HAND OUT MONEY, THERE'S NO

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DOUBT, AND THAT'S WHY THERE WAS

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AN INTERESTING CAVEAT TO THIS

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MEASURE AND THAT WAS THAT NO

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NAME, IMAGE, OR LIKENESS OF ANY

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POLITICIAN COULD BE ATTACHED TO

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THOSE $500 CHECKS OR TO THE GIFT

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A LOT OF PEOPLE COULD USE THAT

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MONEY, BUT THERE'S ALSO A TON OF

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LITTER OUT THERE AND IN THE

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1930s, WE HAD THE WORKS PROGRESS

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GETTING PAID $500 TO CLEAN UP

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SOME OF OUR HIGHWAYS AND BYWAYS

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HAVE -- AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT

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IS, BUT THEY HAVE A FAIRLY

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SPECIFIC PLAN AND LIKE BILL

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SAYS, IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO

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SEE HOW IT IS IN PRACTICE, BUT

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SAYING -- I THINK IT'S FAMILIES

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CRITERIA.

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SO MY POINT IS, THEY GOT A PLAN.

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WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF IT WORKS.

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INDICATORS OF CRIME.

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>> OKAY, BUT --

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>> TO THE EXTENT SOME PEOPLE ARE

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ABLE -- 500 MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A

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LOT TO EVERYBODY, BUT IT MIGHT

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BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

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KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON.

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>> READING IN THE PAPER TODAY,

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BILL McCLELLAN, THAT THERE ARE

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800 JOBS IN THE CITY OF

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ST. LOUIS THAT ARE NOT FILLED,

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AND THIS IS A STORY TAKING A

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LOOK AT HOW, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T

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FIND PEOPLE TO WORK AS TRASH

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HAULERS, THE CITY IS NO LONGER

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SEPARATING THE RECYCLE MATERIAL

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IT'S ALL BEING COLLECTED

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TOGETHER, AT LEAST TEMPORARILY.

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WHO KNOWS HOW LONG THIS IS GOING

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TO LAST, BUT ONE OF THE REASONS

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IS THEY CAN'T FIND TRASH

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BUT OVERALL IN THE CITY, 800 JOB

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OPENINGS AND IT IS KIND OF

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UNUSUAL, ISN'T IT, TO BE HANDING

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OUT CHECKS TO PEOPLE WHO CAN'T

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FIND WORK WHILE THE CITY ITSELF

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HAS 800 JOBS AVAILABLE.

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INTERESTING STORY BECAUSE I

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WOULD THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE

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POLICE DEPARTMENT MIGHT HAVE

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TROUBLE FINDING ELIGIBLE CITY

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DWELLERS BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE

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RECORDS OR SOMETHING, BUT YOU

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WOULDN'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM WITH

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TRASH HAULERS AND I THINK

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THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO

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WOULD REALLY LIKE A STEADY JOB

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WITH BENEFITS AND IT'S

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INCREDIBLE TO ME THAT WE

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HAVEN'T -- THAT THE CITY HAS NOT

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BEEN ABLE TO FILL THOSE JOBS.

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AND HEATHER NAVARRO, THE 28th

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WARD ALDERMAN, SAID SHE WENT

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ONLINE TO SEE HOW EASY IT IS TO

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APPLY FOR A JOB AND SHE COULDN'T

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DO IT.

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AND THEY QUOTED SOMEBODY SAYING

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WELL, THE SYSTEM IS FROM 1968.

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AND I REMEMBER 1968, AND I GOT

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TIES FROM 1968, BUT YOU DON'T

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WANT TO HAVE A COMPUTER SYSTEM

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FROM 1968.

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SO I THINK THE CITY OUGHT TO

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REALLY MAKE AN EFFORT TO HIRE

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PEOPLE AND GIVE THEM HONEST

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WORK, AND I'M SURE THAT THERE'S

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PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD WANT

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THE TRASH HAULING JOBS AND SOME

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OF THE OTHER 800 JOBS.

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IT'S --

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>> I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S A

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MATTER OF THE CITY NOT TRYING.

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I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK

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ABOUT TRASH HAULERS AND WE'RE

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TALKING ABOUT POLICE OFFICERS

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AND HOW FAR DOWN WE ARE ON THAT

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SCORE AND THE I.T. NEEDS OF THE

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CITY, THERE ARE -- AS CHARLIE

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SAID, AS YOU'VE ALL AGREED,

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THERE ARE ALMOST 1,000 POSITIONS

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OPEN IN THE CITY.

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AND THEY -- PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY

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DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF WORK.

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>> WELL, I CAN SEE I.T. -- I CAN

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SEE A SHORTAGE OF I.T. WORKERS

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BECAUSE MAYBE AN I.T. WORKER

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COULD MAKE MORE IN PRIVATE

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INDUSTRY.

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AND LIKE I SAID, I CAN SEE THE

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PROBLEM WITH THE POLICE

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DEPARTMENT.

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BUT I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM

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HIRING TRASH HAULERS.

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>> THEY DON'T WANT TO --

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>> THAT'S A GOOD JOB, WENDY.

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>> LINDA THOMAS FROM THE

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PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT, IN THE

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POST-DISPATCH A COUPLE WEEKS

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AGO, SAID BECAUSE OF FEDERAL

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BENEFITS, THEY'RE COMING FROM

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WASHINGTON, D.C., PEOPLE ARE NOT

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AS MOTIVATED TO APPLY FOR SOME

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OF THESE JOBS.

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I BELIEVE SHE MADE HER COMMENTS

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IN A POST-DISPATCH STORY WHEN IT

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WAS DESCRIBED HOW THEY COULDN'T

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FIND 911 DISPATCHERS.

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>> BUT THEY'VE HAD THIS PROBLEM

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LONG BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, LONG

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BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT WAS GIVING

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$300 A WEEK EXTRA ON

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UNEMPLOYMENT.

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THE 911 STUFF, THAT WENT SOUTH

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AS SOON AS THE CITY GOT CONTROL

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OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

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YOU KNOW, THEY SUDDENLY STRIPPED

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A LOT OF 911 WORKERS AND I'M

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SURE WE'VE BEEN SHORT GARBAGE

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HAULERS FOR A LONG TIME AS WELL.

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>> I THINK WHAT THEY -- IF YOU

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WAIVED THE DRUG TEST FOR A LOT

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OF JOBS, A LOT MORE PEOPLE WOULD

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APPLY.

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THAT'S JUST THE REALITY.

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>> THAT'S TRUE.

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>> AND THEN, TOO, I WANTED TO BE

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A JOURNALIST SINCE I WAS 12, BUT

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THE FIRST JOB -- AND MY MOM --

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HI, MOM -- AS MY WITNESS,

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5-YEAR-OLD ALVIN THOUGHT THE

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COOLEST THING IN THE WORLD WOULD

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BE TO BE A GARBAGE MAN, AND I

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KNOW THEY'RE SANITATION WORKERS

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NOW, THAT'S HOW WE KNOW THEM,

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BECAUSE THEY GOT TO RIDE ON THE

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BACK OF THE TRUCK.

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NOW, TIMES HAVE CHANGED.

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NOW I'M KIND OF LIKE THIS.

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GOOD-PAYING JOB WITH BENEFITS?

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I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE

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ARE HESITANT TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE

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FULFILL SOME OF THESE JOBS.

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I MEAN, I DON'T GET IT.

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>> BUT ME --

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>> THE COMPUTER SYSTEM GOES BACK

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TO --

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>> WE'VE ALL SEEN THE ONLINE

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REPORT OF PEOPLE SAYING THAT

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THEY'RE GIVING UP THEIR --

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THEY'RE GIVING UP THEIR WHITE

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COLLAR JOBS, THEY'RE GIVING UP

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THEIR CORPORATE JOBS BECAUSE

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THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE

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ADVERSITY IN THE WORKPLACE, AND

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I MEAN, THOSE ARE ACTUAL TERMS

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THAT ARE BEING THROWN AROUND.

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ADVERSITY IN THE WORKPLACE.

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I MEAN, THAT'S -- TO ME, THAT'S

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PART OF GOING TO WORK.

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THERE'S GOING TO BE ADVERSITY,

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YOU KNOW.

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YOU'RE PAID TO DO A JOB, SO IT

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SONET DEEM TO BE AN AND --

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DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN APPETITE

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FOR IT.

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>> HEY, WHILE WE'RE TALKING

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ABOUT THE CITY AND WE'LL MOVE ON

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TO OTHER REGIONAL ISSUES IN JUST

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A MOMENT, ALVIN REID, THIS PAST

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WEEK MAYOR TISHAURA JONES AND

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CONGRESSMAN CORI BUSH VISITED

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DENVER TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE

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STAR PROGRAM THERE.

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STAR STANDS FOR SUPPORT TEAM

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ASSISTANCE RESPONSE, A PROGRAM

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THAT SENDS SOCIAL WORKERS TO

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SOME, I GUESS -- TO SOME SITES

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THAT ORDINARILY WOULD HAVE BEEN

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VISITED BY POLICE.

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IN THIS CASE, IT'S TRESPASSING

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OR WELFARE ISSUES OR IT COULD BE

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A SYRINGE FOUND ON THE STREET,

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THINGS LIKE THAT.

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NOT THE MOST SERIOUS CRIMES.

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MAYOR LYDA KREWSON HAD TWO PILOT

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PROGRAMS ALONG THESE LINES.

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LET ME ASK YOU.

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DO YOU THINK THIS TRIP WILL BEAR

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FRUIT?

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>> I THINK IT COULD.

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I THINK YOU GO TO -- GO FOR

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WHAT'S THE SUCCESSFUL FORECAST

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AND YOU GO AND FIND OUT WHAT

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THEY'RE DOING.

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THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT

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THE MAYOR AND CORI BUSH AND A

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LOT OF POLITICIANS THAT ARE

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REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC

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ACTUALLY KIND OF ADHERE TO,

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MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO SEND THE

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POLICE TO EVERY SITUATION.

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AND TO FIND OUT THE BEST WAY TO

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DO IT ON A TRIP TO DENVER, I

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MEAN, EVEN IF THEY -- YOU KNOW,

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OVERNIGHT, I REALLY DON'T THINK

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THAT'S SETTING THE WHOLE BUDGET

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BACK THAT MUCH.

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NOW, DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS, BUT

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I BELIEVE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN

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SOME TRIPS INVOLVED TO CHINA AND

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PLACES LIKE THAT DURING PREVIOUS

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ADMINISTRATIONS, YOU KNOW, WHEN

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WE'RE GOING TO BE THE TRADE

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PARTNER WITH CHINA AND --

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>> CHINA HUB.

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>> YEAH, EXACTLY, AND WHERE DID

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THAT GO AND WHERE DID A LOT OF

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PROJECT WHERE I'M SURE A LOT OF

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VISITING WENT ON THAT WERE MUCH,

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MUCH MORE COSTLY THAN AN

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OVERNIGHT TRIP TO DENVER.

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>> I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S -- GO

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AHEAD, RAY, I'M SORRY.

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>> NO, YOU'RE GOOD.

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>> I DON'T THINK IT'S A MATTER

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OF MONEY.

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I JUST THINK IT'S -- I THINK

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IT'S THE APPLES/ORANGES

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COMPARISON.

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ST. LOUIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A

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CRISIS IN TERMS OF CRIME AND

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HOMICIDE NUMBERS, AND DENVER IS

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NOT ON ANY OF THE FBI'S MOST

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DANGEROUS CITIES LISTS.

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SO I COULD CARE LESS WHAT IT

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COSTS TO GO OUT THERE.

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I JUST -- I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S

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AN APPLICABLE -- THE STAR

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00:14:08,723 --> 00:14:09,691
PROGRAM IS APPLICABLE TO WHAT

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WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE IN

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ST. LOUIS.

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>> I'M SURE THEY GOT PLENTY OF

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CRIME IN DENVER AND THEY'VE

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GOT -- IF IT'S A BEST PRACTICES

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THING, YOU CAN ARGUE SOME OF

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IT'S SYMBOLIC AND POLITICAL

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FIGURES GO TO THESE THINGS, BUT

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I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD ALWAYS

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RULE OUT TRADE STUFF BECAUSE

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SOMETIMES THAT ACTUALLY, AS

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FARFETCHED AS IT MAY SEEM,

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SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR

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CHIEF EXECUTIVES, WHETHER IT'S

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THE GOVERNOR OR MAYOR, WHATEVER,

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SHOW UP AND TALK TO TRADE

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DELEGATIONS.

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I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.

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JUST BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE AN

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EXOTIC TRIP DOESN'T NECESSARILY

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MEAN YOU SHOULDN'T DO IT.

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I MEAN, BECAUSE IF OTHER CITIES

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HAVE PEOPLE GOING, THEIR MAYORS

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GOING, THEY CAN MAKE A

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DIFFERENCE.

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YOU HAVE TO PICK -- THAT'S PART

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OF -- IF GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO

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BE IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

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BUSINESS, YOU CAN'T SAY, OH NO,

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WE CAN'T GO OVERSEAS BECAUSE OF

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THE COST OF THE TRIP.

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A LOT OF THOSE, THOSE ARE --

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SOMETIMES THOSE TRIPS CAN BE

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SUBSIDIZED BY PRIVATE SECTOR

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FOLKS.

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AND I HAVE NO -- THIS IS HARDLY

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A MAJOR TRIP.

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I THINK SYMBOLICALLY, IT MAKES

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SENSE.

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>> I NEED TO GO TO SAN FRANCISCO

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AND VISIT THEIR PBS STATION, SO

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CHARLIE, LET'S WORK THAT OUT,

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OKAY?

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>> WE'LL HAVE A GOOD TIME AT THE

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DENVER PBS STATION, IF YOU

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FOLLOW MY DRIFT.

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>> I WOULD TAKE IT.

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>> I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT

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THEY'RE LEARNING BEST PRACTICES

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AND I DON'T THINK THE COST

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00:15:40,982 --> 00:15:42,584
MATTERS AT ALL, BUT WENDY, YOU

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HAVE A POINT.

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LAST YEAR DENVER HAD ABOUT 90

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HOSM SIDES.

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THEIR POPULATION IS ABOUT

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70,000.

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IN A TYPICAL YEAR, DENVER HAS

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ABOUT 60 HOMICIDE AND YEAR, SO

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IT IS KIND OF APPLES AND ORANGES

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BECAUSE WE HAD 260 HOMICIDES.

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WE WERE DEALING WITH REAL

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VIOLENT CRIME THAT DENVER

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00:15:59,167 --> 00:16:00,668
DOESN'T SEE AND THE STAR PROGRAM

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HAD ABOUT 1300 RESPONSES LAST

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YEAR WHICH, WOW, THAT'S A

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FRACTION OF THE CALLS THAT

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POLICE AT THE ST. LOUIS

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METROPOLITAN POLICE DEPARTMENT

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HAVE TO RESPOND TO.

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>> IF YOU WANT -- IF YOU'RE

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GOING FOR BEST PRACTICES, WOULD

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YOU WANT SOMEBODY THAT'S HAVING

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00:16:13,748 --> 00:16:14,549
BETTER OUTCOMES?

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I DON'T THINK THAT -- THE IDEA

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THAT DENVER IS SOME PLACE WHERE,

509
00:16:18,219 --> 00:16:20,555
YOU KNOW -- I MEAN, I'VE BEEN

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THERE.

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DENVER IS GREAT.

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THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PRACTICES

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THAT GO INTO PRIMARY, BUT THE

514
00:16:28,596 --> 00:16:29,897
FACT THAT THEY HAVE A LOW ONE IS

515
00:16:29,964 --> 00:16:32,900
NOT AN ARGUMENT NOT TO GO.

516
00:16:32,967 --> 00:16:34,902
>> THEY HAVE 700,000 PEOPLE, WE

517
00:16:34,969 --> 00:16:37,405
HAVE 300,000 IN OUR CITY.

518
00:16:37,472 --> 00:16:39,207
>> IT'S NOT APPLES AND ORANGES.

519
00:16:39,274 --> 00:16:40,541
>> CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

520
00:16:40,608 --> 00:16:42,410
ISN'T THERE A GUY BY THE NAME OF

521
00:16:42,477 --> 00:16:44,178
WILL PINCKNEY WITH THE MAYOR'S

522
00:16:44,245 --> 00:16:44,479
OFFICE?

523
00:16:44,545 --> 00:16:45,613
HE LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM A

524
00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,048
COUPLE OF TIMES IN ST. LOUIS AND

525
00:16:47,115 --> 00:16:48,449
HE'S A FORMER NEW YORK COP WHO I

526
00:16:48,516 --> 00:16:50,151
THINK WAS PROFILED IN ONE LOCAL

527
00:16:50,218 --> 00:16:51,986
PAPER RECENTLY IF I'M NOT

528
00:16:52,053 --> 00:16:52,353
MISTAKEN.

529
00:16:52,420 --> 00:16:54,455
HEY, LET'S TALK TO YOU, WENDY

530
00:16:54,522 --> 00:16:56,557
WIESE, ABOUT WHAT I THINK IS A

531
00:16:56,624 --> 00:16:59,827
TRULY UNPRECEDENTED STORY.

532
00:16:59,894 --> 00:17:01,829
THIS IS A BATTLE BETWEEN THE

533
00:17:01,896 --> 00:17:03,331
NATURAL RESOURCE DEFENSE COUNCIL

534
00:17:03,398 --> 00:17:04,165
AND FIRE.

535
00:17:04,232 --> 00:17:07,168
FIRE HAS A SUBSIDIARY THAT RUNS

536
00:17:07,235 --> 00:17:08,836
A PIPELINE BETWEEN HERE AND IT

537
00:17:08,903 --> 00:17:10,405
GOES THROUGH ILLINOIS, UP NORTH

538
00:17:10,471 --> 00:17:13,574
TO GET SOME OF THAT FRACKING

539
00:17:13,641 --> 00:17:16,044
NATURAL GAS, AND THAT FIRE

540
00:17:16,110 --> 00:17:20,014
PIPELINE WAS REVIEWED BY THE

541
00:17:20,081 --> 00:17:20,548
FEDERAL ENERGY REGULATORY

542
00:17:20,615 --> 00:17:21,883
COMMISSION AND APPROVED.

543
00:17:21,949 --> 00:17:25,586
HOWEVER, JUST RECENTLY, THE

544
00:17:25,653 --> 00:17:28,022
WASHINGTON, D.C., COURT OF

545
00:17:28,089 --> 00:17:29,324
APPEALS DECIDED TO REVOKE THE

546
00:17:29,390 --> 00:17:30,258
CERTIFICATION FOR THAT PIPELINE,

547
00:17:30,325 --> 00:17:32,827
SAYING THAT FERC, THE REGULATORY

548
00:17:32,894 --> 00:17:35,563
BODY, DID NOT FOLLOW ITS OWN

549
00:17:35,630 --> 00:17:37,332
RULES.

550
00:17:37,398 --> 00:17:40,301
AND AS A RESULT, THERE'S A STORY

551
00:17:40,368 --> 00:17:41,969
IN SUNDAY'S POST-DISPATCH THAT

552
00:17:42,036 --> 00:17:44,872
THIS PIPELINE BRINGING NATURAL

553
00:17:44,939 --> 00:17:46,808
GAS TO ST. LOUIS MIGHT BE

554
00:17:46,874 --> 00:17:47,709
MOTHBALLED AND THEY'RE EVEN

555
00:17:47,775 --> 00:17:49,577
TALKING ABOUT FILLING IT WITH

556
00:17:49,644 --> 00:17:52,046
SAND BECAUSE IMPLODING IT WOULD

557
00:17:52,113 --> 00:17:54,015
BE ANOTHER ENVIRONMENTAL

558
00:17:54,082 --> 00:17:54,282
DISASTER.

559
00:17:54,349 --> 00:17:55,249
HOW DO YOU FEEL?

560
00:17:55,316 --> 00:17:57,285
DO YOU THINK THAT SINCE THE

561
00:17:57,352 --> 00:17:58,519
REGULATORY BODY VIOLATED ITS OWN

562
00:17:58,586 --> 00:18:00,888
RULES, ALLEGEDLY, THAT THE

563
00:18:00,955 --> 00:18:01,856
PIPELINE SHOULD BE TAKEN DOWN?

564
00:18:01,923 --> 00:18:04,158
>> WELL, I MEAN, SHAME ON THE

565
00:18:04,225 --> 00:18:05,493
REGULATORY BODY THEN.

566
00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,428
BUT YOU DON'T PENALIZE THE

567
00:18:07,495 --> 00:18:10,131
NATURAL GAS CUSTOMERS HERE IN

568
00:18:10,198 --> 00:18:11,466
THE MIDWEST.

569
00:18:11,532 --> 00:18:16,738
THE WHOLE POINT WAS TO AVOID A

570
00:18:16,804 --> 00:18:18,840
SITUATION OR THEY HAD AVOIDED A

571
00:18:18,906 --> 00:18:20,408
SITUATION SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAW

572
00:18:20,475 --> 00:18:21,976
IN TEXAS IN FEBRUARY DURING A

573
00:18:22,043 --> 00:18:24,645
DEEP FREEZE IN WHICH PEOPLE LOST

574
00:18:24,712 --> 00:18:26,581
THEIR LIVES, PEOPLE WERE FOR A

575
00:18:26,647 --> 00:18:27,815
VARIETY OF DIFFERENT REASONS AND

576
00:18:27,882 --> 00:18:29,016
THINGS THAT THEY HAD SIGNED UP

577
00:18:29,083 --> 00:18:32,186
FOR IN TERMS OF BUDGET BILLING,

578
00:18:32,253 --> 00:18:35,223
THEY WERE RECEIVING 12 AND

579
00:18:35,289 --> 00:18:38,459
$15,000 UTILITY BILLS.

580
00:18:38,526 --> 00:18:42,697
AND I'M SORRY THAT SOME OF THE

581
00:18:42,764 --> 00:18:44,098
MARKET ANALYSIS THAT SHOULD HAVE

582
00:18:44,165 --> 00:18:46,167
BEEN PERFORMED WASN'T PERFORMED,

583
00:18:46,234 --> 00:18:47,735
BUT THAT'S NOT, IN MY WAY OF

584
00:18:47,802 --> 00:18:50,071
LOOKING AT THINGS, THAT'S NOT ON

585
00:18:50,138 --> 00:18:50,338
FIRE.

586
00:18:50,405 --> 00:18:52,006
THAT'S ON FERC.

587
00:18:52,073 --> 00:18:55,276
>> WELL, THAT'S -- I MEAN, THIS

588
00:18:55,343 --> 00:18:57,278
ISN'T SOME, LIKE, LIBERAL THINK

589
00:18:57,345 --> 00:18:58,513
TANK THAT MADE THIS DECISION.

590
00:18:58,579 --> 00:19:00,882
THE COURT OF APPEALS, OKAY?

591
00:19:00,948 --> 00:19:02,283
THESE ARE JUDGES LOOKING AT THE

592
00:19:02,350 --> 00:19:04,852
LAW AS TO HOW -- AND OBVIOUSLY

593
00:19:04,919 --> 00:19:06,654
THEY WERE REVIEWING IT IF

594
00:19:06,721 --> 00:19:08,556
THEY'RE APPELLATE JUDGES.

595
00:19:08,623 --> 00:19:09,590
I DON'T KNOW WHICH SIDE

596
00:19:09,657 --> 00:19:11,559
APPEALED, BUT THEY LOOKED AT THE

597
00:19:11,626 --> 00:19:14,128
LAW AS IT WAS APPLIED BY LOWER

598
00:19:14,195 --> 00:19:16,898
COURT JUDGES AND MADE A

599
00:19:16,964 --> 00:19:17,231
DECISION.

600
00:19:17,298 --> 00:19:18,399
YOU CAN SAY SHAME ON THEM.

601
00:19:18,466 --> 00:19:21,402
IF THEY DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT, THEN

602
00:19:21,469 --> 00:19:23,438
THE JUDGES ARE SAYING YOU GOT TO

603
00:19:23,504 --> 00:19:24,372
DO IT RIGHT.

604
00:19:24,439 --> 00:19:26,274
IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S SOME

605
00:19:26,340 --> 00:19:27,742
WRONGDOING BY THE APPELLATE

606
00:19:27,809 --> 00:19:27,975
COURT.

607
00:19:28,042 --> 00:19:29,577
>> I THINK THIS IS INTENDED TO

608
00:19:29,644 --> 00:19:30,678
HAVE A CHILLING IMPACT ON

609
00:19:30,745 --> 00:19:32,780
ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO INVEST IN

610
00:19:32,847 --> 00:19:33,815
PIPELINES, PERIOD.

611
00:19:33,881 --> 00:19:34,048
PERIOD.

612
00:19:34,115 --> 00:19:35,683
>> YOU CAN'T REFUTE THE LAW,

613
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:35,917
WENDY.

614
00:19:35,983 --> 00:19:36,984
THESE ARE JUDGES.

615
00:19:37,051 --> 00:19:39,454
THE APPELLATE COURT HAS GOT TO

616
00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:40,955
BE REVIEWING BY DEFINITION A

617
00:19:41,022 --> 00:19:43,624
LOWER COURT THAT FOUND THAT THE

618
00:19:43,691 --> 00:19:45,059
REGULATORS -- AND IT'S NOT

619
00:19:45,126 --> 00:19:46,727
EXACTLY A NEWS FLASH THAT IN THE

620
00:19:46,794 --> 00:19:49,997
TRUMP ERA, THE REGULATORS WERE

621
00:19:50,064 --> 00:19:51,299
LOOKING THE OTHER WAY.

622
00:19:51,365 --> 00:19:53,534
THEY'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T DO

623
00:19:53,601 --> 00:19:55,236
THAT, AND SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND

624
00:19:55,303 --> 00:19:57,738
WHAT THE ARGUMENT IS WITH -- IS

625
00:19:57,805 --> 00:19:58,506
THE ARGUMENT THAT THE JUDGES

626
00:19:58,573 --> 00:20:01,008
SHOULD LOOK THE OTHER WAY TOO?

627
00:20:01,075 --> 00:20:03,244
THEY JUST ENFORCE THE LAW.

628
00:20:03,311 --> 00:20:04,111
>> DONE!

629
00:20:04,178 --> 00:20:04,612
IT'S DONE.

630
00:20:04,679 --> 00:20:08,549
THE PIPELINE -- I MEAN, IT'S

631
00:20:08,616 --> 00:20:08,983
COMPLETED.

632
00:20:09,050 --> 00:20:11,118
IT'S DELIVERING NATURAL GAS.

633
00:20:11,185 --> 00:20:12,820
>> WELL, THEY FOLLOWED THE LAW

634
00:20:12,887 --> 00:20:14,922
AND IF THE REGULATORS DIDN'T,

635
00:20:14,989 --> 00:20:17,191
THEN IT'S THE RIGHT DECISION AND

636
00:20:17,258 --> 00:20:18,860
WE -- WE CAN'T HAVE EVERY

637
00:20:18,926 --> 00:20:21,195
DECISION COME DOWN TO, WELL, YOU

638
00:20:21,262 --> 00:20:25,199
KNOW, IT'S BETTER FOR OUR

639
00:20:25,266 --> 00:20:25,433
ECONOMY.

640
00:20:25,500 --> 00:20:26,000
THERE IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL

641
00:20:26,067 --> 00:20:27,168
CONCERNS AND THEY'RE THERE FOR A

642
00:20:27,235 --> 00:20:28,402
REASON AND IF THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW

643
00:20:28,469 --> 00:20:30,137
THE RULES, THEN THIS IS THE

644
00:20:30,204 --> 00:20:30,705
RIGHT DECISION.

645
00:20:30,771 --> 00:20:31,439
>> POLITICS DOESN'T PLAY INTO

646
00:20:31,506 --> 00:20:33,808
THIS AT ALL, RIGHT, RAY?

647
00:20:33,875 --> 00:20:34,742
THIS IS PURELY LEGAL.

648
00:20:34,809 --> 00:20:36,377
>> WITH THE COURT OF APPEALS?

649
00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:37,011
I DON'T THINK SO.

650
00:20:37,078 --> 00:20:37,845
MAYBE IT DID.

651
00:20:37,912 --> 00:20:38,479
>> OKAY, OKAY.

652
00:20:38,546 --> 00:20:39,547
>> I DON'T KNOW.

653
00:20:39,614 --> 00:20:41,415
AGAIN, THE COURT OF APPEALS,

654
00:20:41,482 --> 00:20:43,351
WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, NOT REALLY

655
00:20:43,417 --> 00:20:44,385
KNOWN AS BEING ALL THAT

656
00:20:44,452 --> 00:20:44,986
LIBERAL --

657
00:20:45,052 --> 00:20:47,154
>> LET ME JUST JUMP IN.

658
00:20:47,221 --> 00:20:48,656
>> REVIEWING A LOWER COURT'S

659
00:20:48,723 --> 00:20:49,557
DECISION ABOUT WHETHER THE LAW

660
00:20:49,624 --> 00:20:50,358
WAS FOLLOWED.

661
00:20:50,424 --> 00:20:53,961
IF IT WASN'T, THEN YOU GOT TO

662
00:20:54,028 --> 00:20:55,162
EITHER FOLLOW THE LAW OR DUMP

663
00:20:55,229 --> 00:20:56,664
SAND IN IT, I GUESS.

664
00:20:56,731 --> 00:20:58,199
>> WELL, TRULY UNPRECEDENTED.

665
00:20:58,266 --> 00:20:59,901
I'VE NEVER HEARD OF A GAS

666
00:20:59,967 --> 00:21:00,635
PIPELINE BEING MOTH BALLED.

667
00:21:00,701 --> 00:21:04,338
WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS, RAY.

668
00:21:04,405 --> 00:21:05,673
WHILE WE HAVE YOU FRONT AND

669
00:21:05,740 --> 00:21:07,975
CENTER, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE

670
00:21:08,042 --> 00:21:13,381
SENTENCE THIS WEEK OF RANDY

671
00:21:13,447 --> 00:21:14,515
HAYES, THE ST. LOUIS POLICE

672
00:21:14,582 --> 00:21:15,349
OFFICER WHO PUBLIC HEALTH

673
00:21:15,416 --> 00:21:16,918
PLEADED GUILTY IN THE BEATING OF

674
00:21:16,984 --> 00:21:19,086
HIS COLLEAGUE, MR. LUTHER HALL,

675
00:21:19,153 --> 00:21:20,321
AND HE RECEIVED FOUR YEARS.

676
00:21:20,388 --> 00:21:21,756
A JUST SENTENCE?

677
00:21:21,822 --> 00:21:24,091
>> WELL, IT GOES BY -- IT'S A

678
00:21:24,158 --> 00:21:26,460
FEDERAL CASE, SO IT GOES BY THE

679
00:21:26,527 --> 00:21:27,094
POINT SYSTEM.

680
00:21:27,161 --> 00:21:28,396
THERE'S POINTS ADDED FOR

681
00:21:28,462 --> 00:21:30,731
COOPERATION, POINTS TAKEN AWAY

682
00:21:30,798 --> 00:21:32,433
FOR THIS AND POINTS ADDED FOR

683
00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:32,667
THAT.

684
00:21:32,733 --> 00:21:34,769
THEY START WITH A RANGE AND, YOU

685
00:21:34,835 --> 00:21:36,771
KNOW, THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH

686
00:21:36,837 --> 00:21:37,104
SUBJECTIVITY.

687
00:21:37,171 --> 00:21:38,973
THERE'S SOME, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE

688
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,641
JUDGE -- I HAVE TO SAY, I WAS

689
00:21:40,708 --> 00:21:41,275
SURPRISED BY IT.

690
00:21:41,342 --> 00:21:43,010
I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE THAN I

691
00:21:43,077 --> 00:21:44,879
THOUGHT HE WOULD GET.

692
00:21:44,946 --> 00:21:47,915
I WOULD BE CONCERNED IF I WAS

693
00:21:47,982 --> 00:21:49,250
DUSTIN BOONE WHO BASICALLY WAS

694
00:21:49,317 --> 00:21:50,518
TRIED FOR THE SAME -- IF THE

695
00:21:50,585 --> 00:21:53,721
PAPER HAD IT RIGHT, PRETTY MUCH

696
00:21:53,788 --> 00:21:55,723
TRIED ON THE SAME CHARGES THAT

697
00:21:55,790 --> 00:21:57,558
MR. HAYES WAS JUST SENTENCED,

698
00:21:57,625 --> 00:21:59,026
AND HE COOPERATED.

699
00:21:59,093 --> 00:22:00,294
I WOULDN'T BE SLEEPING TOO WELL

700
00:22:00,361 --> 00:22:01,963
IF I WAS, YOU KNOW, HAD THIS

701
00:22:02,029 --> 00:22:04,365
GONE TO A JURY TRIAL AND BEEN

702
00:22:04,432 --> 00:22:05,566
FOUND GUILTY OF THOSE.

703
00:22:05,633 --> 00:22:08,002
BUT ONCE AGAIN, YOU DON'T KNOW

704
00:22:08,069 --> 00:22:09,370
WHERE BOONE VERSUS HAYES ARE ON

705
00:22:09,437 --> 00:22:12,406
THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES.

706
00:22:12,473 --> 00:22:14,976
IT'S A LOT OF -- A LOT OF IT IS

707
00:22:15,042 --> 00:22:15,409
NOT SUBJECTIVE.

708
00:22:15,476 --> 00:22:17,345
SOME OF IT IS, BUT THEY'VE GOT A

709
00:22:17,411 --> 00:22:18,913
RANGE AND HE STAYED WITHIN THE

710
00:22:18,980 --> 00:22:19,113
RANGE.

711
00:22:19,180 --> 00:22:21,415
THE PROSECUTORS WANTED SIX.

712
00:22:21,482 --> 00:22:22,883
AGAIN, I WAS SURPRISED BY IT,

713
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:23,317
BUT --

714
00:22:23,384 --> 00:22:24,518
>> HOW ABOUT YOU, BILL

715
00:22:24,585 --> 00:22:25,019
McCLELLAN?

716
00:22:25,086 --> 00:22:29,357
>> I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THE

717
00:22:29,423 --> 00:22:33,394
SUBJECTIVE PART, I DON'T -- THE

718
00:22:33,461 --> 00:22:35,997
WHOLE POINT OF GETTING PEOPLE TO

719
00:22:36,063 --> 00:22:37,231
TESTIFY IS YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE

720
00:22:37,298 --> 00:22:39,000
THEM A BREAK ON THE SENTENCING,

721
00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:41,836
ESPECIALLY IN A CASE LIKE THIS

722
00:22:41,902 --> 00:22:44,305
WHERE IT'S A COP TESTIFYING

723
00:22:44,372 --> 00:22:46,040
AGAINST OTHER COPS, AND I HATE

724
00:22:46,107 --> 00:22:49,410
TO SEE THE GUY WHO TESTIFIED

725
00:22:49,477 --> 00:22:50,611
GETTING MORE TIME THAN THE

726
00:22:50,678 --> 00:22:55,349
PEOPLE WHO WITH  -- PEOPLE WHO

727
00:22:55,416 --> 00:22:56,150
WENT TO TRIAL.

728
00:22:56,217 --> 00:22:57,952
IF WHAT WE WANT IN THE FUTURE IS

729
00:22:58,019 --> 00:23:00,187
OTHER COPS TO TESTIFY ABOUT BAD

730
00:23:00,254 --> 00:23:01,555
CONDUCT OF THEIR COLLEAGUES,

731
00:23:01,622 --> 00:23:04,058
THIS ISN'T A VERY GOOD WAY TO DO

732
00:23:04,125 --> 00:23:04,225
IT.

733
00:23:04,291 --> 00:23:05,626
>> IF A JUDGE GOES ABOVE OR

734
00:23:05,693 --> 00:23:07,662
BELOW THE -- THE WAY I

735
00:23:07,728 --> 00:23:09,563
UNDERSTAND IT, PARTICULARLY

736
00:23:09,630 --> 00:23:11,098
ABOVE IT, YOU -- AND I AGREE

737
00:23:11,165 --> 00:23:12,633
WITH YOU, BASICALLY.

738
00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:13,567
SURE, YOU WOULD EXPECT.

739
00:23:13,634 --> 00:23:15,236
THAT'S WHY I SAY I WOULD THINK

740
00:23:15,302 --> 00:23:16,771
MR. BOON HAS GOT TO BE CONCERNED

741
00:23:16,837 --> 00:23:18,506
ABOUT THAT PERHAPS, ALTHOUGH I

742
00:23:18,572 --> 00:23:21,242
DON'T KNOW IF IT WORKS THAT WAY.

743
00:23:21,308 --> 00:23:23,611
IT IS THE POINT SYSTEM.

744
00:23:23,678 --> 00:23:25,413
IT IS THE GUIDELINES.

745
00:23:25,479 --> 00:23:27,281
IF THE JUDGE VIOLATES --

746
00:23:27,348 --> 00:23:28,482
>> BUT THEY CAN GO ABOVE AND

747
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:29,083
BELOW, RAY.

748
00:23:29,150 --> 00:23:32,586
>> BUT IF THEY DO --

749
00:23:32,653 --> 00:23:35,289
>> NOT ONLY CAN THEY GO ABOVE OR

750
00:23:35,356 --> 00:23:38,759
BELOW, BUT LIKE JOHN RALLO, IF

751
00:23:38,826 --> 00:23:40,027
LATER RANDY HAYES HAS HE HAS

752
00:23:40,094 --> 00:23:42,196
SOME SORT OF ILLNESS, WHO KNOWS

753
00:23:42,263 --> 00:23:43,798
IF HE'LL GET OUT OR IF HE GOES

754
00:23:43,864 --> 00:23:46,600
TO SOME SORT OF REHAB PROGRAM

755
00:23:46,667 --> 00:23:47,635
LIKE STEVE STENGER DID, MAYBE

756
00:23:47,702 --> 00:23:49,036
HE'LL BE OUT IN TWO YEARS.

757
00:23:49,103 --> 00:23:50,538
>> I'M NOT EVEN DEFENDING THE

758
00:23:50,604 --> 00:23:50,738
JUDGE.

759
00:23:50,805 --> 00:23:52,640
I'M JUST SAYING IF THEY DO,

760
00:23:52,707 --> 00:23:54,175
THEY'RE MORE SUBJECT TO GETTING

761
00:23:54,241 --> 00:23:56,277
OVERTURN TO APPEAL AND A LOT OF

762
00:23:56,343 --> 00:23:57,511
JUDGES DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN

763
00:23:57,578 --> 00:23:58,212
TO THEM.

764
00:23:58,279 --> 00:24:04,185
>> OKAY, SPEAKING OF THE COURTS,

765
00:24:04,251 --> 00:24:12,259
BILL, EUGENE KROGG JR. RELEASED

766
00:24:12,326 --> 00:24:17,398
A EXPLETIVE IN COURT, BASICALLY

767
00:24:17,465 --> 00:24:18,933
EXPLETIVE YOU, THIS JUDGE GAVE

768
00:24:18,999 --> 00:24:20,534
THE ATTORNEY A WEEK IN JAIL FOR

769
00:24:20,601 --> 00:24:21,736
CURSING AT HIM.

770
00:24:21,802 --> 00:24:22,570
WHAT DO YOU THINK?

771
00:24:22,636 --> 00:24:23,771
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW EITHER OF

772
00:24:23,838 --> 00:24:24,905
THOSE FELLOWS.

773
00:24:24,972 --> 00:24:26,674
I CALLED UP A GOOD FRIEND OF

774
00:24:26,741 --> 00:24:28,175
MINE AND HE DIDN'T KNOW THE

775
00:24:28,242 --> 00:24:31,879
LAWYER AND HE DIDN'T KNOW THE

776
00:24:31,946 --> 00:24:33,781
JUDGE, BUT HE KNEW THE CURSOR

777
00:24:33,848 --> 00:24:36,717
AND HE SAID THAT YOU -- 75 YEARS

778
00:24:36,784 --> 00:24:40,454
OLD, YOUNG MAN IN HIS PRIME, AND

779
00:24:40,521 --> 00:24:42,256
HE SAID THAT HE'S A GOOD FELLOW

780
00:24:42,323 --> 00:24:46,861
AND HE SAID, I'D REALLY LIKE TO

781
00:24:46,927 --> 00:24:47,828
KNOW WHAT WAS BEHIND THIS.

782
00:24:47,895 --> 00:24:50,598
BUT AS FAR AS THE JUDGE PUTTING

783
00:24:50,664 --> 00:24:52,733
THE GUY IN JAIL, I THINK THAT

784
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,102
THERE SHOULD BE DECORUM IN COURT

785
00:24:55,169 --> 00:24:56,804
AND LIKE I THINK A JUDGE, YOU

786
00:24:56,871 --> 00:24:59,006
KNOW, OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO

787
00:24:59,073 --> 00:24:59,774
SOMEBODY, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY

788
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,041
YOU'RE DRESSED.

789
00:25:01,108 --> 00:25:02,643
THAT'S NOT RESPECTFUL TO THE

790
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:02,877
COURT.

791
00:25:02,943 --> 00:25:05,146
AND IF SOMEBODY CURSES AT A

792
00:25:05,212 --> 00:25:07,014
JUDGE, I THINK THE JUDGE IS WELL

793
00:25:07,081 --> 00:25:09,416
WITHIN HIS OR HER RIGHTS TO SAY

794
00:25:09,483 --> 00:25:11,952
I'M NOT GOING TO TOLERATE THAT

795
00:25:12,019 --> 00:25:13,821
AND TO THROW THE GUY IN JAIL.

796
00:25:13,888 --> 00:25:14,955
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH

797
00:25:15,022 --> 00:25:15,823
THAT.

798
00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:18,459
>> WELL, I JUST THINK A WEEK IS

799
00:25:18,526 --> 00:25:20,728
TOO MUCH.

800
00:25:20,795 --> 00:25:23,831
IF HE TOLD HIM, HEY, GO TO HADES

801
00:25:23,898 --> 00:25:25,800
AND GET ONE DAY, TOLD HIM TO

802
00:25:25,866 --> 00:25:28,836
KISS SOMETHING, YOU GET THREE

803
00:25:28,903 --> 00:25:29,036
DAYS.

804
00:25:29,103 --> 00:25:29,904
IT WASN'T JUST THE EXTREME

805
00:25:29,970 --> 00:25:31,405
LANGUAGE HE USED.

806
00:25:31,472 --> 00:25:33,274
I KNOW SOMEBODY WHO HAD JURY

807
00:25:33,340 --> 00:25:34,608
DUTY THIS WEEK AND SOMEBODY IN

808
00:25:34,675 --> 00:25:37,077
THE LARGE JURY FOOL REFUSED TO

809
00:25:37,144 --> 00:25:38,979
PUT -- POOL REFUSED TO PUT A

810
00:25:39,046 --> 00:25:39,814
MASK ON.

811
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,415
APPARENTLY THEY TALKED TO HIM

812
00:25:41,482 --> 00:25:43,184
AND JUST ESCORTED HIM OUT OF THE

813
00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:43,484
BUILDING.

814
00:25:43,551 --> 00:25:45,319
TO ME, HE SHOULD HAVE GOT A

815
00:25:45,386 --> 00:25:45,619
WEEK.

816
00:25:45,686 --> 00:25:47,521
>> MAYBE A WEEK IS A LITTLE

817
00:25:47,588 --> 00:25:50,357
LONG, ALVIN, BUT IF I WAS A

818
00:25:50,424 --> 00:25:53,494
JUDGE, I'D WANT IT KNOWN THAT

819
00:25:53,561 --> 00:25:55,196
YOU DON'T COME IN AND CURSE AT

820
00:25:55,262 --> 00:25:59,300
ME BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE MY

821
00:25:59,366 --> 00:25:59,767
DECISIONS.

822
00:25:59,834 --> 00:26:08,309
>> WHY DID  -- WHO CUSSED OUT

823
00:26:08,375 --> 00:26:10,277
THE LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE DURING

824
00:26:10,344 --> 00:26:11,045
THE ERIC GREITENS STUFF?

825
00:26:11,111 --> 00:26:12,713
WHAT ATTORNEY WAS THAT?

826
00:26:12,780 --> 00:26:14,081
WAS IT AL WATKINS?

827
00:26:14,148 --> 00:26:15,115
NOTHING HAPPENED TO HIM.

828
00:26:15,182 --> 00:26:17,685
>> I AGREE WITH ALVIN THAT IT

829
00:26:17,751 --> 00:26:19,386
SEEMS A LITTLE MUCH, A WEEK.

830
00:26:19,453 --> 00:26:20,487
A LITTLE SHOCK TIME FOR 24

831
00:26:20,554 --> 00:26:22,957
HOURS, BUT I THINK YOU MAKE A

832
00:26:23,023 --> 00:26:24,458
CASE FOR MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE

833
00:26:24,525 --> 00:26:26,894
SENTENCING GUIDELINES FOR CURSE

834
00:26:26,961 --> 00:26:29,396
WORDS, YOU KNOW.

835
00:26:29,463 --> 00:26:31,699
LIKE HAVE A SCALE.

836
00:26:31,765 --> 00:26:33,367
GEORGE CARLIN'S SEVEN DIRTY

837
00:26:33,434 --> 00:26:34,635
WORDS GET A CERTAIN --

838
00:26:34,702 --> 00:26:36,003
>> I REMEMBER BEING IN COURT

839
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:38,873
WHEN A DEFENDANT SAID TO THE

840
00:26:38,939 --> 00:26:40,808
JUDGE, YOU'RE A LYING SOB AND

841
00:26:40,875 --> 00:26:44,144
THE JUDGE JUST IGNORED HIM AND

842
00:26:44,211 --> 00:26:55,022
HE SAID YOU'RE A PERSIDIOUS SOB

843
00:26:55,089 --> 00:26:57,091
AND THE JUDGE SENT HIM TO JAIL.

844
00:26:57,157 --> 00:26:59,426
I ASKED THE JUDGE ABOUT IT AND

845
00:26:59,493 --> 00:27:01,428
HE SAID I CAN IGNORE IT, BUT IF

846
00:27:01,495 --> 00:27:02,963
I HAVE TO LOOK UP A WORD, HE'S

847
00:27:03,030 --> 00:27:04,231
GOING TO JAIL.

848
00:27:04,298 --> 00:27:06,333
>> WELL, JUSTICE IS SACRED.

849
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,935
YOU HAVE THESE COURTHOUSE

850
00:27:08,002 --> 00:27:10,571
SHOOTINGS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT

851
00:27:10,638 --> 00:27:11,572
DECORUM, BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE

852
00:27:11,639 --> 00:27:13,274
SOCKED HIM WITH A FINE AS WELL.

853
00:27:13,340 --> 00:27:14,408
>> SO MUCH FOR FREEDOM OF SPEECH

854
00:27:14,475 --> 00:27:15,276
IN A COURTROOM.

855
00:27:15,342 --> 00:27:16,877
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR YOUR

856
00:27:16,944 --> 00:27:17,111
OPINION.

857
00:27:17,177 --> 00:27:18,045
DON'T GO AWAY.

858
00:27:18,112 --> 00:27:19,980
IN A MOMENT, WE'RE GOING TO TALK

859
00:27:20,047 --> 00:27:21,415
ABOUT MAKING OUR AREA WALKABLE

860
00:27:21,482 --> 00:27:23,417
AND BIKEABLE AND HOW THAT NIGHT

861
00:27:23,484 --> 00:27:25,019
NEED TO MORE ECONOMIC

862
00:27:25,085 --> 00:27:25,419
DEVELOPMENT.

863
00:27:25,486 --> 00:27:27,821
CINDY MENSE OF TRAILNET AND

864
00:27:27,888 --> 00:27:28,522
SARAH ARNOSKY OF GREATER

865
00:27:28,589 --> 00:27:30,324
ST. LOUIS INC. ARE JOINING OUR

866
00:27:30,391 --> 00:27:31,992
FOUNDERS, BILL McCLELLAN AND RAY

867
00:27:32,059 --> 00:27:33,627
HARTMANN, ON DONNYBROOK NEXT UP.

868
00:27:33,694 --> 00:27:34,261
>> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE

869
00:27:34,328 --> 00:27:35,195
POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT OF THE

870
00:27:35,262 --> 00:27:35,763
BETSY AND THOMAS PATTERSON

871
00:27:35,829 --> 00:27:36,363
FOUNDATION AND THE MEMBERS OF

872
00:27:36,430 --> 00:27:39,133
NINE PBS.

873
00:28:05,664 --> 00:28:08,066
>> WELCOME TO NEXT UP.

874
00:28:08,133 --> 00:28:09,701
WE'RE JOINED TONIGHT BY CINDY

875
00:28:09,768 --> 00:28:11,870
MENSE OF TRAILNET AND SARAH

876
00:28:11,937 --> 00:28:13,805
ARNOSKY OF GREATER ST. LOUIS,

877
00:28:13,872 --> 00:28:13,972
INC.

878
00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:15,807
WELCOME TO YOU BOTH.

879
00:28:15,874 --> 00:28:16,408
>> THANK YOU.

880
00:28:16,475 --> 00:28:16,875
>> THANK YOU.

881
00:28:16,942 --> 00:28:18,810
>> SO TELL US, YOU'RE INVOLVED

882
00:28:18,877 --> 00:28:21,746
IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING

883
00:28:21,813 --> 00:28:25,117
ST. LOUIS A BIKING AND WALKABLE

884
00:28:25,183 --> 00:28:25,984
REGION.

885
00:28:26,051 --> 00:28:27,486
TELL US HOW YOU'RE GOING ABOUT

886
00:28:27,552 --> 00:28:27,953
DOING THAT.

887
00:28:28,019 --> 00:28:28,587
>> GREAT.

888
00:28:28,653 --> 00:28:29,187
THANKS, RAY.

889
00:28:29,254 --> 00:28:30,122
I'LL GET STARTED.

890
00:28:30,188 --> 00:28:31,857
I'M CINDY MENSE, THE CEO OF

891
00:28:31,923 --> 00:28:34,593
TRAILNET, AND TRAIL NET, WE'RE A

892
00:28:34,659 --> 00:28:36,928
32-YEAR-OLD ORGANIZATION IN

893
00:28:36,995 --> 00:28:41,466
ST. LOUIS, A BIKEABLE/PEDESTRIAN

894
00:28:41,533 --> 00:28:42,000
ADVOCACY ORG.

895
00:28:42,067 --> 00:28:43,835
IT WORKS TO MAKE THE STREETS

896
00:28:43,902 --> 00:28:45,070
SAFER FOR PEOPLE TO WALKING

897
00:28:45,137 --> 00:28:47,172
BIKE, AND USE TRANSIT AS A WAY

898
00:28:47,239 --> 00:28:47,839
OF LIFE.

899
00:28:47,906 --> 00:28:48,840
WE HAVE A TERRIFIC PARTNERSHIP

900
00:28:48,907 --> 00:28:53,145
WITH GREATER ST. LOUIS, INC., ON

901
00:28:53,211 --> 00:28:54,112
TRYING TO MOVE BETTER

902
00:28:54,179 --> 00:28:55,013
INFRASTRUCTURE FORWARD.

903
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,081
SARAH?

904
00:28:56,148 --> 00:28:57,716
>> THANKS, CINDY.

905
00:28:57,782 --> 00:29:00,352
YEAH, MY NAME IS SARAH ARNOSKY,

906
00:29:00,418 --> 00:29:01,386
I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF GREATER

907
00:29:01,453 --> 00:29:01,887
ST. LOUIS INC.

908
00:29:01,953 --> 00:29:03,788
I BELIEVE YOU HAD OUR CEO, JASON

909
00:29:03,855 --> 00:29:05,557
HALL, ON THE SHOW A COUPLE WEEKS

910
00:29:05,624 --> 00:29:05,891
AGO.

911
00:29:05,957 --> 00:29:06,691
HAPPY TO BE HERE.

912
00:29:06,758 --> 00:29:08,660
AS CINDY MENTIONED, FROM OUR

913
00:29:08,727 --> 00:29:09,461
PERSPECTIVE OF GREATER

914
00:29:09,528 --> 00:29:11,563
ST. LOUIS, INC., WHICH IS AN

915
00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:12,931
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CIVIC

916
00:29:12,998 --> 00:29:14,132
ORGANIZATION, WE RECOGNIZE THE

917
00:29:14,199 --> 00:29:16,401
VALUE OF HAVING A BIKE AND

918
00:29:16,468 --> 00:29:17,569
PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY COMMUNITY

919
00:29:17,636 --> 00:29:20,705
AND HOW THAT CONTRIBUTES IN MANY

920
00:29:20,772 --> 00:29:21,973
WAYS, BUT PARTICULARLY IT'S

921
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:22,741
ECONOMIC IMPACT.

922
00:29:22,807 --> 00:29:25,277
AND SO REALLY WANTING TO PLAY A

923
00:29:25,343 --> 00:29:28,180
CRITICAL ROLE AND HELP GET

924
00:29:28,246 --> 00:29:29,848
THINGS MOVING FORWARD TO MAKE

925
00:29:29,915 --> 00:29:31,283
SURE WE ARE KEEPING UP WITH OUR

926
00:29:31,349 --> 00:29:32,918
PEER CITIES AND MAKING ST. LOUIS

927
00:29:32,984 --> 00:29:34,786
ONE OF THE BEST BIKING

928
00:29:34,853 --> 00:29:38,056
COMMUNITIES AND CITIES AROUND

929
00:29:38,123 --> 00:29:39,624
THE -- REGIONS, REALLY, AROUND

930
00:29:39,691 --> 00:29:40,492
THE COUNTRY.

931
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:43,228
>> YOU INDICATED YOU'RE 32 --

932
00:29:43,295 --> 00:29:44,029
BILL, GO AHEAD.

933
00:29:44,095 --> 00:29:45,263
>> NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY,

934
00:29:45,330 --> 00:29:46,198
I LOVE TO WALK.

935
00:29:46,264 --> 00:29:48,300
I'M A WALKER, AND WHEN I WAS

936
00:29:48,366 --> 00:29:49,968
WORKING DOWNTOWN ALL THE TIME, I

937
00:29:50,035 --> 00:29:51,803
WOULD OFTEN GO AND WALK ALONG

938
00:29:51,870 --> 00:29:53,205
THE RIVER.

939
00:29:53,271 --> 00:29:55,740
THERE'S A RIVER TRAIL JUST NORTH

940
00:29:55,807 --> 00:29:59,144
OF DOWNTOWN, AND I'D WALK DOWN

941
00:29:59,211 --> 00:30:01,112
TO PRODUCE ROW SOMETIMES, AND

942
00:30:01,179 --> 00:30:04,816
THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS THE FLOOD

943
00:30:04,883 --> 00:30:06,484
WALL GENERALLY SEPARATES THE

944
00:30:06,551 --> 00:30:10,288
WALKER OR THE BIKER.

945
00:30:10,355 --> 00:30:12,791
THERE WOULD BE BICYCLISTS, FROM

946
00:30:12,857 --> 00:30:13,458
THE RIVER.

947
00:30:13,525 --> 00:30:14,926
I THINK TO MYSELF, HERE'S THIS

948
00:30:14,993 --> 00:30:17,028
GREAT RESOURCE, THE RIVER, AND

949
00:30:17,095 --> 00:30:18,296
I'M ON THE RIVER TRAIL, BUT I

950
00:30:18,363 --> 00:30:19,798
CAN'T SEE THE RIVER MOST OF THE

951
00:30:19,864 --> 00:30:20,298
TIME.

952
00:30:20,365 --> 00:30:24,336
I MEAN, HOW CAN WE UTILIZE OUR

953
00:30:24,402 --> 00:30:25,437
RIVER A LITTLE BIT BETTER?

954
00:30:25,503 --> 00:30:27,439
>> YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GREAT

955
00:30:27,505 --> 00:30:27,706
QUESTION.

956
00:30:27,772 --> 00:30:29,007
SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW -- ONE

957
00:30:29,074 --> 00:30:29,841
OF THE THINGS THAT GREATER

958
00:30:29,908 --> 00:30:31,776
ST. LOUIS, INC., HAS ALSO PAR

959
00:30:31,843 --> 00:30:34,980
TAKEN IN THE DESIGN OF DOWNTOWN

960
00:30:35,046 --> 00:30:36,982
ST. LOUIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

961
00:30:37,048 --> 00:30:38,049
ONE OF THE KEY STRATEGIES THAT

962
00:30:38,116 --> 00:30:41,086
WAS IDENTIFIED WAS HOW DO WE

963
00:30:41,152 --> 00:30:42,120
RE-ENGAGE AND CELEBRATE OUR

964
00:30:42,187 --> 00:30:43,288
CONNECTION TO THE RIVER.

965
00:30:43,355 --> 00:30:44,756
SO YOU DO HAVE THE GREENWAY THAT

966
00:30:44,823 --> 00:30:47,025
GOES ALONG THE RIVER, BUT I

967
00:30:47,092 --> 00:30:48,460
TOTALLY HEAR YOU THAT THERE'S A

968
00:30:48,526 --> 00:30:50,161
WALL THAT DOES BLOCK THE VIEW

969
00:30:50,228 --> 00:30:51,463
AND THAT CONNECTION TO THE

970
00:30:51,529 --> 00:30:51,896
RIVER.

971
00:30:51,963 --> 00:30:53,231
I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT

972
00:30:53,298 --> 00:30:54,299
OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES.

973
00:30:54,366 --> 00:30:57,168
I KNOW THAT CINDY AT TRAILNET,

974
00:30:57,235 --> 00:30:58,870
THEY HELP COLLECT FOLKS TO GO ON

975
00:30:58,937 --> 00:31:00,105
RIVER RIDES.

976
00:31:00,171 --> 00:31:01,673
I DON'T KNOW IF, CINDY, YOU WANT

977
00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:03,141
TO SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL.

978
00:31:03,208 --> 00:31:03,475
>> SURE.

979
00:31:03,541 --> 00:31:05,944
I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT

980
00:31:06,011 --> 00:31:09,080
THE RIVERFRONT TRAIL IS A TRAIL

981
00:31:09,147 --> 00:31:10,482
THAT TRAILNET ESTABLISHED IN

982
00:31:10,548 --> 00:31:11,283
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF

983
00:31:11,349 --> 00:31:12,484
ST. LOUIS MANY YEARS AGO, SO

984
00:31:12,550 --> 00:31:14,886
THAT'S A LEGACY PROJECT OF OURS.

985
00:31:14,953 --> 00:31:16,288
IT DOES NEED -- IT NEEDS CARE

986
00:31:16,354 --> 00:31:17,455
AND ATTENTION SO THAT PEOPLE

987
00:31:17,522 --> 00:31:20,392
CONTINUE TO USE IT AND FEEL SAFE

988
00:31:20,458 --> 00:31:21,526
IN THAT AREA.

989
00:31:21,593 --> 00:31:23,962
IT DOES CONTINUE TO BE A BIT OF

990
00:31:24,029 --> 00:31:24,863
A CHALLENGE.

991
00:31:24,929 --> 00:31:26,831
WHEN THE RIVERFRONT WAS REDONE,

992
00:31:26,898 --> 00:31:29,501
WE DO HAVE SOME REALLY GREAT

993
00:31:29,567 --> 00:31:33,238
INFRASTRUCTURE THAT TRB PUT IN

994
00:31:33,305 --> 00:31:35,006
ALONG LEWIS K. SULLIVAN DRIVE

995
00:31:35,073 --> 00:31:36,241
AND THAT CERTAINLY HAS HELPED

996
00:31:36,308 --> 00:31:37,242
WITH THAT CONNECTION.

997
00:31:37,309 --> 00:31:40,512
>> FOR THOSE THAT DON'T FOLLOW

998
00:31:40,578 --> 00:31:41,980
YOUR WORK, HOW MUCH -- THERE'S

999
00:31:42,047 --> 00:31:42,647
TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT DON'T

1000
00:31:42,714 --> 00:31:45,283
REALLY KEEP UP WITH EVERYTHING

1001
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:47,452
THAT'S GOING ON.

1002
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:49,621
HOW MUCH DIFFERENT IS ST. LOUIS

1003
00:31:49,688 --> 00:31:51,890
TODAY THAN IN 1989 WHEN TRAILNET

1004
00:31:51,956 --> 00:31:53,158
WAS FOUNDED?

1005
00:31:53,224 --> 00:31:56,628
WHAT -- CAN YOU POINT TO, WHAT

1006
00:31:56,695 --> 00:31:57,495
HAVE WE DONE TO DEVELOP OVER

1007
00:31:57,562 --> 00:31:59,130
THAT PERIOD?

1008
00:31:59,197 --> 00:31:59,931
>> SURE.

1009
00:31:59,998 --> 00:32:02,067
SO ST. LOUIS HAS REALLY CHANGED

1010
00:32:02,133 --> 00:32:02,834
OVER THE YEARS.

1011
00:32:02,901 --> 00:32:06,338
ONE THING THAT WE KNOW IS THAT

1012
00:32:06,404 --> 00:32:07,439
POPULATION-WISE, THIS CITY WAS

1013
00:32:07,505 --> 00:32:09,507
BUILT FOR ABOUT A MILLION PEOPLE

1014
00:32:09,574 --> 00:32:11,609
AND AS WE LOSE POPULATION, WE

1015
00:32:11,676 --> 00:32:14,846
STILL HAVE THESE ROADWAYS, THESE

1016
00:32:14,913 --> 00:32:16,348
BIG WIDE ROADWAYS WHERE THE

1017
00:32:16,414 --> 00:32:17,749
STREETCARS USED TO BE, SO YOU'VE

1018
00:32:17,816 --> 00:32:20,418
GOT STREETS THAT ARE 40 AND 50

1019
00:32:20,485 --> 00:32:21,820
FEET WIDE THAT ARE ACTUALLY

1020
00:32:21,886 --> 00:32:23,655
CONNECTING JUST NEIGHBORHOODS.

1021
00:32:23,722 --> 00:32:27,225
AND SO WE HAVE THIS GREAT STREET

1022
00:32:27,292 --> 00:32:29,527
GRID THAT ALSO CAN BE -- THE

1023
00:32:29,594 --> 00:32:31,596
STREET GRID COULD BE USED IN A

1024
00:32:31,663 --> 00:32:33,798
WAY TO MAKE SURE ROOM FOR

1025
00:32:33,865 --> 00:32:35,900
PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS TO FEEL

1026
00:32:35,967 --> 00:32:37,102
SAFER ON THE ROADWAYS.

1027
00:32:37,168 --> 00:32:38,570
SO WE'RE MAINTAINING A LOT OF

1028
00:32:38,636 --> 00:32:40,672
ROADWAY AND THERE'S ROOM TO ADD

1029
00:32:40,739 --> 00:32:41,473
IN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WOULD

1030
00:32:41,539 --> 00:32:44,042
MAKE IT SAFER FOR PEOPLE WALKING

1031
00:32:44,109 --> 00:32:45,143
AND BIKING.

1032
00:32:45,210 --> 00:32:46,311
SO THE CHANGES THAT HAVE

1033
00:32:46,378 --> 00:32:47,746
HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS, WE USED

1034
00:32:47,812 --> 00:32:50,615
TO BE HAPPY WITH JUST A PAINTED

1035
00:32:50,682 --> 00:32:53,918
BIKE LANE ON THE ROAD OR SOME

1036
00:32:53,985 --> 00:32:56,588
SHARROWS, BUT THE NATIONAL

1037
00:32:56,654 --> 00:32:57,222
ASSOCIATION OF TRANSPORTATION

1038
00:32:57,288 --> 00:32:58,490
OFFICIALS HAVE UPGRADED THE TYPE

1039
00:32:58,556 --> 00:32:59,924
OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS GOING

1040
00:32:59,991 --> 00:33:01,292
TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFEST.

1041
00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:02,694
AND SO NOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING

1042
00:33:02,761 --> 00:33:05,029
FOR ARE WHAT WE CALL PROTECTED

1043
00:33:05,096 --> 00:33:06,798
BIKE LANES OR CYCLE TRACKS.

1044
00:33:06,865 --> 00:33:09,734
SO THAT WAS -- THAT'S A PROJECT

1045
00:33:09,801 --> 00:33:11,603
THAT, TOGETHER WITH GREATER

1046
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:15,573
ST. LOUIS, INC., TRAILNET HELPED

1047
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,642
PROMOTE THIS TOWER GROVE

1048
00:33:17,709 --> 00:33:17,976
CONNECTOR.

1049
00:33:18,042 --> 00:33:19,277
YOU ARE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THE

1050
00:33:19,344 --> 00:33:21,146
BEST INFRASTRUCTURE IN ST. LOUIS

1051
00:33:21,212 --> 00:33:22,614
FOR KEEPING FOLKS SAFE WHILE

1052
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,115
WALKING AND BIKING WHERE THEY'RE

1053
00:33:24,182 --> 00:33:26,351
PHYSICALLY SEPARATED FROM

1054
00:33:26,418 --> 00:33:26,584
TRAFFIC.

1055
00:33:26,651 --> 00:33:27,452
THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF

1056
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:28,186
INFRASTRUCTURE NOW THAT WE'RE

1057
00:33:28,253 --> 00:33:29,754
SEEING MORE AND MORE OF.

1058
00:33:29,821 --> 00:33:31,890
THERE'S ONE PLANNED FOR 20th

1059
00:33:31,956 --> 00:33:33,558
STREET, ONE PLANNED FOR TUCKER

1060
00:33:33,625 --> 00:33:33,958
BOULEVARD.

1061
00:33:34,025 --> 00:33:35,527
BOTH OF THOSE ARE FUNDED AS WELL

1062
00:33:35,593 --> 00:33:37,962
AS TOWER GROVE, THE TOWER GROVER

1063
00:33:38,029 --> 00:33:38,296
CONNECTOR.

1064
00:33:38,363 --> 00:33:39,931
SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A SHIFT

1065
00:33:39,998 --> 00:33:41,533
IN THAT DIRECTION.

1066
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:42,767
MAYBE YOU LIVE BY UNION

1067
00:33:42,834 --> 00:33:43,034
BOULEVARD.

1068
00:33:43,101 --> 00:33:46,438
THE CITY HAS PUT IN A PROTECTED

1069
00:33:46,504 --> 00:33:48,273
BIKEWAY AND THEY'RE TESTING OUT

1070
00:33:48,339 --> 00:33:49,174
NEW INFRASTRUCTURE.

1071
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,810
THESE THINGS ARE CALLED

1072
00:33:51,876 --> 00:33:53,812
ARMADILLOS, THESE RUBBER

1073
00:33:53,878 --> 00:33:54,913
PROTECTORS THAT ARE IN THE

1074
00:33:54,979 --> 00:33:56,414
STREET OR THESE MOUNDS THAT

1075
00:33:56,481 --> 00:33:57,949
WOULD KEEP CARS FROM GOING INTO

1076
00:33:58,016 --> 00:33:59,250
THE BIKE LANE.

1077
00:33:59,317 --> 00:34:00,552
SO IT USED TO BE ENOUGH JUST TO

1078
00:34:00,618 --> 00:34:02,587
HAVE ROOM FOR A BIKE, BUT NOW

1079
00:34:02,654 --> 00:34:04,389
WITH THE SIZE OF CARS AND

1080
00:34:04,456 --> 00:34:06,458
DISTRACTED DRIVING, WHAT PEOPLE

1081
00:34:06,524 --> 00:34:08,993
REALLY ARE DESIRING IS MORE

1082
00:34:09,060 --> 00:34:09,828
PROTECTED INFRASTRUCTURE AND

1083
00:34:09,894 --> 00:34:11,496
IT'S JUST REALLY EXCITING TO SEE

1084
00:34:11,563 --> 00:34:13,064
AN ORGANIZATION LIKE GREATER

1085
00:34:13,131 --> 00:34:15,400
ST. LOUIS, INC., EMBRACE THIS

1086
00:34:15,467 --> 00:34:17,068
TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

1087
00:34:17,135 --> 00:34:18,903
>> YEAH, I MEAN, WE'D LOVE TO

1088
00:34:18,970 --> 00:34:21,973
SEE -- YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT

1089
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,508
THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE MDA IS

1090
00:34:23,575 --> 00:34:25,877
GOING TO, 20th STREET IS A

1091
00:34:25,944 --> 00:34:27,345
DIRECT ROUTE UP TO THAT.

1092
00:34:27,412 --> 00:34:29,781
THE NEW JOBS AT THE MDA, BUT

1093
00:34:29,848 --> 00:34:31,149
ALSO HOW THAT'S GOING TO SPUR

1094
00:34:31,216 --> 00:34:32,684
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ALONG 20th

1095
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:32,917
STREET.

1096
00:34:32,984 --> 00:34:34,352
WE'VE SEEN THAT IN A LOT OF

1097
00:34:34,419 --> 00:34:35,787
OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE YOU'RE

1098
00:34:35,854 --> 00:34:37,288
CREATING THIS AMENITY THAT IS

1099
00:34:37,355 --> 00:34:38,189
EXCITING FOR PEOPLE THAT ALREADY

1100
00:34:38,256 --> 00:34:40,825
LIVE THERE, BUT ALSO ATTRACTS

1101
00:34:40,892 --> 00:34:43,461
NEW RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES,

1102
00:34:43,528 --> 00:34:45,163
WHICH THEN ATTRACTS EMPLOYERS,

1103
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:46,998
WHICH THEN ATTRACTS INVESTMENT

1104
00:34:47,065 --> 00:34:48,233
AND MORE TAX REVENUE.

1105
00:34:48,299 --> 00:34:50,168
IT'S REALLY A CYCLICAL PROCESS

1106
00:34:50,235 --> 00:34:51,369
THAT DOES HAVE MULTIPLE BENEFITS

1107
00:34:51,436 --> 00:34:54,005
IN ADDITION TO CREATING A SAFE

1108
00:34:54,072 --> 00:34:55,607
ROUTE TO GET FROM POINT A TO

1109
00:34:55,673 --> 00:34:56,207
POINT B.

1110
00:34:56,274 --> 00:34:57,976
>> AND RAY, MOST OF THESE

1111
00:34:58,042 --> 00:34:59,744
CONNECTIONS ARE CONNECTING NORTH

1112
00:34:59,811 --> 00:35:01,713
AND SOUTH INTO AREAS OF

1113
00:35:01,779 --> 00:35:01,980
STRENGTH.

1114
00:35:02,046 --> 00:35:03,615
SO ST. LOUIS TENDS TO BE AN

1115
00:35:03,681 --> 00:35:05,350
EAST-WEST CITY, RIGHT?

1116
00:35:05,416 --> 00:35:06,451
OUR BEST CONNECTIONS, YOU'RE

1117
00:35:06,518 --> 00:35:08,052
GOING TO SEE GOING EAST TO WEST.

1118
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:09,621
SO A LOT OF TIMES NORTH AND

1119
00:35:09,687 --> 00:35:11,155
SOUTH IS CUT OUT.

1120
00:35:11,222 --> 00:35:13,391
SO BEING ABLE TO HAVE THIS TYPE

1121
00:35:13,458 --> 00:35:14,392
OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO CONNECT

1122
00:35:14,459 --> 00:35:16,461
PEOPLE INTO AREAS OF STRENGTH,

1123
00:35:16,528 --> 00:35:17,896
CONNECT THEM INTO TRANSIT, CAN

1124
00:35:17,962 --> 00:35:19,163
REALLY BE A GAME CHANGER.

1125
00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:20,832
>> WILL YOU BE, LIKE, RUNNING

1126
00:35:20,899 --> 00:35:23,501
BIKE PATHS LIKE WHERE THE MDA

1127
00:35:23,568 --> 00:35:23,701
IS?

1128
00:35:23,768 --> 00:35:24,469
IS THAT --

1129
00:35:24,536 --> 00:35:26,004
>> 20th STREET IS --

1130
00:35:26,070 --> 00:35:27,505
>> WHAT'S THAT?

1131
00:35:27,572 --> 00:35:29,374
>> 20th STREET HAS BEEN FUNDED.

1132
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,309
>> HOW FAR NORTH DOES IT GO?

1133
00:35:31,376 --> 00:35:36,781
>> IT WILL REACH THE MDA.

1134
00:35:36,848 --> 00:35:38,917
STARTING NOW IN JEFFERSON AND

1135
00:35:38,983 --> 00:35:41,219
20th STREET AND PRIMARILY IT

1136
00:35:41,286 --> 00:35:45,256
WILL BE A PROTECTED CYCLE TRACK,

1137
00:35:45,323 --> 00:35:46,491
BUT THEIR DESIGN STILL NEEDS TO

1138
00:35:46,558 --> 00:35:46,724
HAPPEN.

1139
00:35:46,791 --> 00:35:47,792
>> AND HOW FAR SOUTH --

1140
00:35:47,859 --> 00:35:49,027
>> WE NEED TO MEET WITH THE

1141
00:35:49,093 --> 00:35:51,129
COMMUNITY TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT

1142
00:35:51,195 --> 00:35:52,330
WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE.

1143
00:35:52,397 --> 00:35:53,531
>> AND HOW ABOUT SOUTH?

1144
00:35:53,598 --> 00:35:55,233
THE SAME WAY, DID YOU DETERMINE

1145
00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:55,900
HOW FAR --

1146
00:35:55,967 --> 00:35:56,901
>> THAT WILL BE TO UNION

1147
00:35:56,968 --> 00:35:57,168
STATION.

1148
00:35:57,235 --> 00:36:00,004
>> YEAH, THAT WILL BE A NICE

1149
00:36:00,071 --> 00:36:03,641
CONNECTION INTO THE OTHER MAJOR

1150
00:36:03,708 --> 00:36:05,643
GREENWAY, THE BROOKLINE

1151
00:36:05,710 --> 00:36:06,744
GREENWAY, SO REALLY THINKING AS

1152
00:36:06,811 --> 00:36:08,613
CINDY MENTIONED, HOW ARE WE

1153
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:09,614
KNITTING NEIGHBORHOODS NORTH AND

1154
00:36:09,681 --> 00:36:11,349
SOUTH AND BEING IN CLOSE

1155
00:36:11,416 --> 00:36:12,951
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FOLKS OVER

1156
00:36:13,017 --> 00:36:14,786
AT THE GREENWAY TO MAKE SURE

1157
00:36:14,852 --> 00:36:17,388
THESE ALL COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER

1158
00:36:17,455 --> 00:36:19,023
AND CREATE A BROADER NETWORK

1159
00:36:19,090 --> 00:36:20,892
THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

1160
00:36:20,959 --> 00:36:23,361
>> TO GO A LITTLE FURTHER

1161
00:36:23,428 --> 00:36:24,762
AFIELD, THERE'S THE KATY TRAIL,

1162
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:29,734
CHI LIKE IT IMMENSELY --  WHICH

1163
00:36:29,801 --> 00:36:31,502
I LIKE THE KATY TRAIL IMMENSELY

1164
00:36:31,569 --> 00:36:33,404
AND I'VE WALKED IT A LONG WAY,

1165
00:36:33,471 --> 00:36:37,075
BUT DO WE HAVE A WAY TO

1166
00:36:37,141 --> 00:36:38,576
BICYCLISTS TO GET FROM ST. LOUIS

1167
00:36:38,643 --> 00:36:40,211
TO THE KATY TRAIL EASILY?

1168
00:36:40,278 --> 00:36:43,715
I'M NOT A BICYCLIST, BUT FOR THE

1169
00:36:43,781 --> 00:36:45,984
BICYCLIST TO GET TO THE KATY

1170
00:36:46,050 --> 00:36:48,219
TRAIL AND ZIP DOWN TO DEFIANCE

1171
00:36:48,286 --> 00:36:51,889
OR HERMAN SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT

1172
00:36:51,956 --> 00:36:52,857
TRIP AND I DON'T KNOW HOW EASY

1173
00:36:52,924 --> 00:36:54,192
IT IS TO GET FROM THE CITY TO

1174
00:36:54,258 --> 00:36:55,893
THE KATY TRAIL ON A BICYCLE.

1175
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,228
>> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION,

1176
00:36:57,295 --> 00:36:57,962
BILL.

1177
00:36:58,029 --> 00:37:02,767
OBVIOUSLY IF YOU START IN

1178
00:37:02,834 --> 00:37:04,135
ST. CHARLES WHERE THE TRAIL

1179
00:37:04,202 --> 00:37:04,469
STARTS --

1180
00:37:04,535 --> 00:37:06,604
>> THAT'S WHERE I START WALKING,

1181
00:37:06,671 --> 00:37:09,340
BUT I DRIVE TO ST. CHARLES.

1182
00:37:09,407 --> 00:37:11,509
FRIENDS WHO ARE CYCLISTS, HOW

1183
00:37:11,576 --> 00:37:14,278
WOULD YOU BICYCLE THERE?

1184
00:37:14,345 --> 00:37:15,947
>> PERSONALLY, I'VE TAKEN THE

1185
00:37:16,014 --> 00:37:17,115
BUS TO CHESTERFIELD AND HOPPED

1186
00:37:17,181 --> 00:37:18,049
ON TO THE TRAIL IN CHESTERFIELD

1187
00:37:18,116 --> 00:37:20,585
TO GET THERE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT,

1188
00:37:20,652 --> 00:37:21,953
IT COULD CERTAINLY BE

1189
00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:22,487
PRIORITIZED.

1190
00:37:22,553 --> 00:37:24,822
SOME PEOPLE WILL USE THE TRAIN

1191
00:37:24,889 --> 00:37:28,826
AND THEY'LL TAKE THE TRAIN TO

1192
00:37:28,893 --> 00:37:30,194
WASHINGTON, MISSOURI, AND THEN

1193
00:37:30,261 --> 00:37:36,234
TRY AND GET TO THE TRAIL FROM

1194
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:37,835
THERE IF FOLKS DON'T WANT TO GET

1195
00:37:37,902 --> 00:37:38,636
IN THE CAR.

1196
00:37:38,703 --> 00:37:40,104
HOW HAVE YOU DONE IT, SARAH?

1197
00:37:40,171 --> 00:37:42,407
>> UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NOT A

1198
00:37:42,473 --> 00:37:43,541
GREAT CYCLING OR PEDESTRIAN

1199
00:37:43,608 --> 00:37:45,677
ROUTE FROM THE CITY ITSELF, BUT

1200
00:37:45,743 --> 00:37:46,878
YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT WITH

1201
00:37:46,944 --> 00:37:49,280
THE KATY TRAIL, WHAT A WONDERFUL

1202
00:37:49,347 --> 00:37:52,050
ASSET IT IS FOR THE REGION AND

1203
00:37:52,116 --> 00:37:55,286
WE DO KNOW, COMPETING WITH SITE

1204
00:37:55,353 --> 00:37:56,554
SELECTORS, EVERYTHING FROM THE

1205
00:37:56,621 --> 00:37:58,923
KATY TRAIL DOWN TO THESE SECOND

1206
00:37:58,990 --> 00:38:00,391
BIKEWAYS ARE JUST IMPORTANT

1207
00:38:00,458 --> 00:38:02,994
ASSETS SO I THINK AS YOU'RE

1208
00:38:03,061 --> 00:38:04,028
MENTIONING, LINKING THEM

1209
00:38:04,095 --> 00:38:05,263
TOGETHER WOULD BE A GREAT FUTURE

1210
00:38:05,329 --> 00:38:05,530
PROJECT.

1211
00:38:05,596 --> 00:38:06,698
>> HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHERE TO

1212
00:38:06,764 --> 00:38:07,265
PUT THESE?

1213
00:38:07,331 --> 00:38:08,766
IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT -- YOU

1214
00:38:08,833 --> 00:38:10,134
TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF

1215
00:38:10,201 --> 00:38:12,336
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS

1216
00:38:12,403 --> 00:38:13,604
GREAT, BUT THESE -- IT'S SORT OF

1217
00:38:13,671 --> 00:38:15,606
A CHICKEN AND AN EGG QUESTION.

1218
00:38:15,673 --> 00:38:19,310
DO YOU LOOK FOR PLACES THAT HAVE

1219
00:38:19,377 --> 00:38:21,746
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO SUPPORT

1220
00:38:21,813 --> 00:38:23,381
AND COVER SUCH AS LIKE FOR

1221
00:38:23,448 --> 00:38:25,850
EXAMPLE WHEN THE NGA IS BUILT,

1222
00:38:25,917 --> 00:38:27,118
YOU OBVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE A PLACE

1223
00:38:27,185 --> 00:38:29,153
TO GO TO, OR DOES IT GO IN THE

1224
00:38:29,220 --> 00:38:30,254
OTHER DIRECTION WHERE YOU JUST

1225
00:38:30,321 --> 00:38:33,524
DECIDE WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO AND

1226
00:38:33,591 --> 00:38:35,927
HOPE THAT DEVELOPMENT SPRINGS UP

1227
00:38:35,993 --> 00:38:36,661
AROUND IT?

1228
00:38:36,728 --> 00:38:39,797
>> RAY, IT REALLY BEGAN -- SO

1229
00:38:39,864 --> 00:38:42,200
TRAILNET BEGAN THIS EFFORT IN

1230
00:38:42,266 --> 00:38:42,467
2016.

1231
00:38:42,533 --> 00:38:44,702
WE LAUNCHED THIS BOLD VISION FOR

1232
00:38:44,769 --> 00:38:46,270
HOW DO WE CONNECT ST. LOUIS FOR

1233
00:38:46,337 --> 00:38:48,239
BETTER AND SAFER WALKING AND

1234
00:38:48,306 --> 00:38:48,473
BIKING.

1235
00:38:48,539 --> 00:38:50,575
THE PLAN WAS CALLED CONNECTING

1236
00:38:50,641 --> 00:38:51,075
ST. LOUIS.

1237
00:38:51,142 --> 00:38:53,578
IT WASN'T FUNDED BY ANYONE

1238
00:38:53,644 --> 00:38:56,114
EXCEPT TRAILNET MEMBERS, AND

1239
00:38:56,180 --> 00:38:57,515
JUST THROUGH TRAILNET GENERAL

1240
00:38:57,582 --> 00:38:59,117
FUNDRAISING TO DO THIS PROJECT.

1241
00:38:59,183 --> 00:39:01,853
AND WE WERE ABLE TO PUT THE

1242
00:39:01,919 --> 00:39:03,921
PEOPLE -- PUT THE PEOPLE'S IDEAS

1243
00:39:03,988 --> 00:39:04,155
FIRST.

1244
00:39:04,222 --> 00:39:05,690
WE WORKED WITH THE CITY OF

1245
00:39:05,757 --> 00:39:06,124
ST. LOUIS.

1246
00:39:06,190 --> 00:39:08,025
WE HAD EIGHT DIFFERENT

1247
00:39:08,092 --> 00:39:09,961
DEPARTMENTS FROM THE CITY OF

1248
00:39:10,027 --> 00:39:10,862
ST. LOUIS JOINING US.

1249
00:39:10,928 --> 00:39:12,063
JASON HALL JOINED US ON ONE OF

1250
00:39:12,130 --> 00:39:14,832
OUR COMMITTEES AS WELL, GREAT

1251
00:39:14,899 --> 00:39:15,900
RIVERS GREENWAY.

1252
00:39:15,967 --> 00:39:17,301
SOME OF THE UNIVERSITIES JOINED

1253
00:39:17,368 --> 00:39:18,002
US.

1254
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:19,437
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS

1255
00:39:19,504 --> 00:39:20,371
INTERESTS IN THIS.

1256
00:39:20,438 --> 00:39:22,173
IT WAS REALLY JUST ORGANIZATIONS

1257
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:23,307
LOOKING AT WHAT KIND OF

1258
00:39:23,374 --> 00:39:24,742
INFRASTRUCTURE DO WE NEED AND

1259
00:39:24,809 --> 00:39:28,513
WHERE DO PEOPLE NEED TO CONNECT

1260
00:39:28,579 --> 00:39:31,382
FOR ACCESS TO TRANSIT AND TO

1261
00:39:31,449 --> 00:39:31,983
OPPORTUNITIES.

1262
00:39:32,049 --> 00:39:34,619
WE HAD OVER 4,000 RESPONDENTS TO

1263
00:39:34,685 --> 00:39:36,320
HELP US SORT THROUGH WHERE ARE

1264
00:39:36,387 --> 00:39:37,321
THESE OPPORTUNITY STREETS AND

1265
00:39:37,388 --> 00:39:38,589
WHERE DO THEY EXIST.

1266
00:39:38,656 --> 00:39:41,092
AND SO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, IT

1267
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:43,294
TOOK US ABOUT TWO YEARS.

1268
00:39:43,361 --> 00:39:44,562
SEVERAL PROJECTS, SEVERAL

1269
00:39:44,629 --> 00:39:46,864
STREETS CAME FORWARD.

1270
00:39:46,931 --> 00:39:49,033
WE HAVE ABOUT 12 MILES OF

1271
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:53,037
CONNECTIONS THAT WE PROPOSED,

1272
00:39:53,104 --> 00:39:54,372
AND THAT'S WHERE OUR PARTNERS

1273
00:39:54,438 --> 00:39:55,740
LIKE GREATER ST. LOUIS, INC.,

1274
00:39:55,807 --> 00:39:58,442
CAME IN AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT.

1275
00:39:58,509 --> 00:40:00,711
THIS CONNECTION HERE TO TOWER

1276
00:40:00,778 --> 00:40:01,345
GROVE PARK IS SOMETHING THAT

1277
00:40:01,412 --> 00:40:03,080
APPEALED TO THEM.

1278
00:40:03,147 --> 00:40:05,149
SO I CAN LET SARAH TALK MORE

1279
00:40:05,216 --> 00:40:06,684
ABOUT THAT, BUT CURRENTLY WE

1280
00:40:06,751 --> 00:40:09,153
HAVE ABOUT 40% OF THE ROUTES WE

1281
00:40:09,220 --> 00:40:11,455
PROPOSED EITHER FUNDED FOR

1282
00:40:11,522 --> 00:40:12,723
FEDERAL CONSTRUCTION OR THEY'RE

1283
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:14,292
ABLE TO BE TAKEN UP BY ENTITIES

1284
00:40:14,358 --> 00:40:16,694
WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD THEM.

1285
00:40:16,761 --> 00:40:18,196
SO THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS MIGHT

1286
00:40:18,262 --> 00:40:20,464
BE LEADING THE EFFORT, FOR

1287
00:40:20,531 --> 00:40:22,800
INSTANCE, ON 20th STREET AND

1288
00:40:22,867 --> 00:40:24,635
GREAT RIVERS GREENWAY ADOPTING A

1289
00:40:24,702 --> 00:40:26,404
CONNECTION UP TO FAIRGROUNDS

1290
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:28,339
PARK AS WELL.

1291
00:40:28,406 --> 00:40:29,740
SO IT'S REALLY AN IDEA THAT'S

1292
00:40:29,807 --> 00:40:31,976
RESONATING.

1293
00:40:32,043 --> 00:40:33,544
>> YEAH, PERFECT.

1294
00:40:33,611 --> 00:40:34,412
SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO THE

1295
00:40:34,478 --> 00:40:36,447
TOWER GROVE CONNECTOR, AGAIN,

1296
00:40:36,514 --> 00:40:39,917
THAT'S A 1.4-MILE PROTECTED BIKE

1297
00:40:39,984 --> 00:40:41,485
LANE FROM TOWER GROVE PARK ALL

1298
00:40:41,552 --> 00:40:43,387
THE WAY UP TO THE GROVE.

1299
00:40:43,454 --> 00:40:44,889
SO YOU ASK THE QUESTION, IS IT

1300
00:40:44,956 --> 00:40:46,190
ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IS

1301
00:40:46,257 --> 00:40:47,625
IT ABOUT NEEDS.

1302
00:40:47,692 --> 00:40:49,360
THIS WAS ACTUALLY A REALLY

1303
00:40:49,427 --> 00:40:50,761
WONDERFUL ROUTE BECAUSE IT

1304
00:40:50,828 --> 00:40:52,463
ALREADY IS IN ONE OF THE MOST

1305
00:40:52,530 --> 00:40:53,631
TRAVELED BIKE ROUTES IN THE

1306
00:40:53,698 --> 00:40:53,831
CITY.

1307
00:40:53,898 --> 00:40:57,368
A LOT OF FOLKS ARE USING THAT TO

1308
00:40:57,435 --> 00:41:00,238
GET TO THEIR JOBS AT THE EJC

1309
00:41:00,304 --> 00:41:02,707
CAMPUS OR TO CORTEX, SO YOU KIND

1310
00:41:02,773 --> 00:41:04,175
OF ALREADY HAD A GOOD LEVEL OF

1311
00:41:04,242 --> 00:41:05,843
TRAFFIC HAPPENING, SO PEOPLE

1312
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:07,812
WANTED TO SEE AN EVEN BETTER

1313
00:41:07,879 --> 00:41:08,946
INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE.

1314
00:41:09,013 --> 00:41:10,848
SO THEN WHAT WE ALSO LOVED ABOUT

1315
00:41:10,915 --> 00:41:13,618
ROUTE IS YOU'RE CONNECTING TOWER

1316
00:41:13,684 --> 00:41:15,286
GROVE PARK TO THE BOTANICAL

1317
00:41:15,353 --> 00:41:15,586
GARDEN.

1318
00:41:15,653 --> 00:41:18,256
ALL THE NEW LITTLE SHOPS THAT

1319
00:41:18,322 --> 00:41:21,993
ARE POPPING UP ON BOTANICAL

1320
00:41:22,059 --> 00:41:24,028
HEIGHTS, YOU HAVE ENDO AND UNION

1321
00:41:24,095 --> 00:41:26,831
LOAFERS AND IT'S BRAND NEW ICE

1322
00:41:26,898 --> 00:41:29,300
CREAM SANDWICH PLACE, ALL THESE

1323
00:41:29,367 --> 00:41:31,435
LITTLE INTERSECTION AND THEN YOU

1324
00:41:31,502 --> 00:41:33,871
GO FURTHER NORTH ITEM ALONG

1325
00:41:33,938 --> 00:41:35,473
VANDEVENTER, IT'S JUST RIPE WITH

1326
00:41:35,539 --> 00:41:35,873
POTENTIAL.

1327
00:41:35,940 --> 00:41:37,041
YOU ALREADY HAVE ROCKWELL

1328
00:41:37,108 --> 00:41:38,376
BREWERY RIGHT THERE, AND THEN

1329
00:41:38,442 --> 00:41:40,144
THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER IDEAS

1330
00:41:40,211 --> 00:41:41,679
FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT WHEN YOU

1331
00:41:41,746 --> 00:41:43,047
ADD SOMETHING LIKE A CYCLE TRACK

1332
00:41:43,114 --> 00:41:46,050
TO IT, IT JUST GETS PEOPLE EVEN

1333
00:41:46,117 --> 00:41:47,852
MORE EXCITED AND THEY WANT TO

1334
00:41:47,919 --> 00:41:49,553
INVEST AND BE A PART OF THIS

1335
00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:50,721
MOMENTUM THAT'S HAPPENING.

1336
00:41:50,788 --> 00:41:52,556
>> AND THE RESEARCH SHOWS THAT

1337
00:41:52,623 --> 00:41:53,557
THEY SPEND MORE MONEY.

1338
00:41:53,624 --> 00:41:55,826
SO PEOPLE ON BIKES STOP MORE

1339
00:41:55,893 --> 00:41:57,628
FREQUENTLY AND THEY SPEND MORE

1340
00:41:57,695 --> 00:41:59,130
MONEY BECAUSE THEY'RE SHOPPING

1341
00:41:59,196 --> 00:42:00,364
MORE FREQUENTLY AND GETTING TO

1342
00:42:00,431 --> 00:42:02,099
KNOW THINGS ON A HUMAN SCALE.

1343
00:42:02,166 --> 00:42:05,736
SO THEY'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S

1344
00:42:05,803 --> 00:42:08,973
ON SALE AT THE SHOPS BECAUSE

1345
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,207
THEY'RE MOVING SLOWLY ENOUGH TO

1346
00:42:10,274 --> 00:42:11,876
SEE ALL THAT AS THEY GO THROUGH.

1347
00:42:11,943 --> 00:42:15,880
>> SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THERE WERE

1348
00:42:15,947 --> 00:42:17,281
COMPETING BICYCLE RENTAL PLACES

1349
00:42:17,348 --> 00:42:18,516
WHERE YOU'D SEE THESE BIKES

1350
00:42:18,582 --> 00:42:19,784
LAYING AROUND ALL THE TIME.

1351
00:42:19,850 --> 00:42:22,887
I MEAN, ONE WAS LIME GREEN AND

1352
00:42:22,954 --> 00:42:23,955
ANOTHER WAS SOMETHING ELSE, AND

1353
00:42:24,021 --> 00:42:27,358
I THOUGHT, WELL, THIS IS KIND OF

1354
00:42:27,425 --> 00:42:27,725
EXCITING.

1355
00:42:27,792 --> 00:42:30,428
MORE PEOPLE BICYCLING, AND ALL

1356
00:42:30,494 --> 00:42:32,663
OF A SUDDEN, THEY WERE GONE.

1357
00:42:32,730 --> 00:42:34,865
WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT?

1358
00:42:34,932 --> 00:42:36,167
>> I MISS THOSE BIKES.

1359
00:42:36,233 --> 00:42:37,668
BUT GO AHEAD, CINDY.

1360
00:42:37,735 --> 00:42:39,670
>> WELL, I TELL YOU WHAT.

1361
00:42:39,737 --> 00:42:41,105
I'VE ALWAYS HEARD REALLY GREAT

1362
00:42:41,172 --> 00:42:42,606
THINGS WHEN PEOPLE SAW THE BIKE

1363
00:42:42,673 --> 00:42:44,408
SHARE BIKES, EVEN THE CRABBY

1364
00:42:44,475 --> 00:42:51,349
PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE, YOU BIKE

1365
00:42:51,415 --> 00:42:52,683
PEOPLE, WERE EXCITED ABOUT THE

1366
00:42:52,750 --> 00:42:54,185
BIKE SHARE BIKES.

1367
00:42:54,251 --> 00:42:56,120
WHAT SEEMED TO HAPPEN IS IT LAID

1368
00:42:56,187 --> 00:42:58,055
THE GROUNDWORK FOR THE SCOOTERS,

1369
00:42:58,122 --> 00:42:58,589
WHICH ARE EASIER FOR THE

1370
00:42:58,656 --> 00:42:59,223
COMPANIES TO PLACE.

1371
00:42:59,290 --> 00:43:00,458
THEY CAN PUT MORE OF THE

1372
00:43:00,524 --> 00:43:01,826
SCOOTERS OUT AND YOU DON'T HAVE

1373
00:43:01,892 --> 00:43:04,628
TO BE ABLE TO RIDE A BIKE.

1374
00:43:04,695 --> 00:43:06,097
SOME MORE DENSE CITIES ARE

1375
00:43:06,163 --> 00:43:08,632
SEEING ELECTRIC BIKES AS PART OF

1376
00:43:08,699 --> 00:43:10,534
THE ASSET -- THE RESOURCES THAT

1377
00:43:10,601 --> 00:43:12,236
ARE COMING TO THEIR CITIES.

1378
00:43:12,303 --> 00:43:14,338
ST. LOUIS YET HASN'T BEEN ON

1379
00:43:14,405 --> 00:43:17,641
THAT LIST TO GET ELECTRIC BIKES

1380
00:43:17,708 --> 00:43:18,776
INCLUDED AS PART OF THE

1381
00:43:18,843 --> 00:43:19,043
OFFERINGS.

1382
00:43:19,110 --> 00:43:20,644
I'M SURE YOU SAW THE SCOERS

1383
00:43:20,711 --> 00:43:22,079
COMING BACK ON THE STREETS AND

1384
00:43:22,146 --> 00:43:24,415
SCOOTERS, YOU KNOW, WE CALL THEM

1385
00:43:24,482 --> 00:43:25,950
BIKE LANES, BUT THESE LANES,

1386
00:43:26,017 --> 00:43:29,453
THEY'RE MULTI-USE LANES FOR

1387
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,556
PEOPLE USING MOTORIZED DEVICES

1388
00:43:32,623 --> 00:43:35,693
LIKE WHEELCHAIRS AND ALSO FOR

1389
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:35,960
SCOOTERS.

1390
00:43:36,027 --> 00:43:39,663
SO THE BIKES, I THINK THAT THEY

1391
00:43:39,730 --> 00:43:40,898
BECAME JUST TOO EXPENSIVE FOR

1392
00:43:40,965 --> 00:43:42,400
THE COMPANIES TO KEEP UP AND

1393
00:43:42,466 --> 00:43:44,568
THEY CAN MAKE MORE MONEY ON THE

1394
00:43:44,635 --> 00:43:44,835
SCOOTERS.

1395
00:43:44,902 --> 00:43:47,538
>> ARE THE BICYCLES WORKING

1396
00:43:47,605 --> 00:43:47,805
ANYWHERE?

1397
00:43:47,872 --> 00:43:49,340
I MEAN, THE RENTAL BIKES THAT

1398
00:43:49,407 --> 00:43:50,775
SEEMED LIKE WAS SUCH A GROWING

1399
00:43:50,841 --> 00:43:51,108
THING?

1400
00:43:51,175 --> 00:43:53,444
>> WELL, IN INDIANAPOLIS THEY'RE

1401
00:43:53,511 --> 00:43:55,146
WORKING GREAT AROUND THE

1402
00:43:55,212 --> 00:43:56,914
INDIANAPOLIS CULTURAL TRAIL.

1403
00:43:56,981 --> 00:43:59,950
THEY'RE STILL USING THEM IN

1404
00:44:00,017 --> 00:44:01,952
KANSAS CITY, BIKE WALK KC,

1405
00:44:02,019 --> 00:44:03,487
SIMILAR TO TRAILNET.

1406
00:44:03,554 --> 00:44:06,424
THEY ACTUALLY RUN IT WITH SOME

1407
00:44:06,490 --> 00:44:07,858
FEDERAL SUPPORT FOR FUNDING, FOR

1408
00:44:07,925 --> 00:44:10,327
DOING THAT.

1409
00:44:10,394 --> 00:44:12,163
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THEM IN D.C.

1410
00:44:12,229 --> 00:44:12,763
AND CHICAGO.

1411
00:44:12,830 --> 00:44:15,533
IN D.C., YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A

1412
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,101
CAR THAT'S GOING TO TAKE --

1413
00:44:17,168 --> 00:44:19,537
>> WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THAT HERE?

1414
00:44:19,603 --> 00:44:21,038
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE NICE THINGS?

1415
00:44:21,105 --> 00:44:23,040
>> I THINK BILL WANTS TO RENT A

1416
00:44:23,107 --> 00:44:23,240
BIKE.

1417
00:44:23,307 --> 00:44:26,177
>> YEAH, HAVING A SMOOTH

1418
00:44:26,243 --> 00:44:27,344
TRANSITION FROM USING TRANSIT TO

1419
00:44:27,411 --> 00:44:31,615
BEING ABLE TO USE SCOOTER OR A

1420
00:44:31,682 --> 00:44:33,250
BIKE, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR

1421
00:44:33,317 --> 00:44:35,386
CMT, BUT I KNOW -- I MEAN FOR

1422
00:44:35,453 --> 00:44:36,587
METRO TRANSIT, I KNOW THEY'RE

1423
00:44:36,654 --> 00:44:38,622
NOT AGAINST IT AND THOSE ARE

1424
00:44:38,689 --> 00:44:40,825
CERTAINLY ADVANCES THAT WILL

1425
00:44:40,891 --> 00:44:42,359
MAKE THE SYSTEM EASIER FOR THAT

1426
00:44:42,426 --> 00:44:43,761
LAST MILE CONNECTION.

1427
00:44:43,828 --> 00:44:46,497
>> AND I THINK THE OTHER PIECE,

1428
00:44:46,564 --> 00:44:48,365
TOO, AS WE BUILD OUT THE BIKE

1429
00:44:48,432 --> 00:44:50,301
NETWORK AND WE GET MORE CYCLISTS

1430
00:44:50,367 --> 00:44:52,069
OUT THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS -- YOU

1431
00:44:52,136 --> 00:44:53,437
KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO

1432
00:44:53,504 --> 00:44:54,572
BIKE A LOT IN ST. LOUIS WILL

1433
00:44:54,638 --> 00:44:57,374
TELL YOU THERE'S A LOT OF

1434
00:44:57,441 --> 00:44:59,110
OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONSISTS OF

1435
00:44:59,176 --> 00:44:59,443
CARS.

1436
00:44:59,510 --> 00:45:00,878
IT REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT

1437
00:45:00,945 --> 00:45:02,646
NEEDS TO BE MORE NORMALIZED FOR

1438
00:45:02,713 --> 00:45:04,748
LACK OF A BETTER TERM, FOR

1439
00:45:04,815 --> 00:45:06,083
PEOPLE RIDING BIKES AROUND.

1440
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:07,785
YOU SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE NICE

1441
00:45:07,852 --> 00:45:09,420
THINGS AND THEN PEOPLE TAKE CARE

1442
00:45:09,487 --> 00:45:10,988
OF THEM AND THEY CONTINUE TO USE

1443
00:45:11,055 --> 00:45:13,023
THEM.

1444
00:45:13,090 --> 00:45:15,025
>> YOU MENTIONED JASON HALL

1445
00:45:15,092 --> 00:45:15,860
EARLIER, WHO OF COURSE, IS THE

1446
00:45:15,926 --> 00:45:17,761
CEO OF GREATER ST. LOUIS, INC.

1447
00:45:17,828 --> 00:45:19,196
I ASSUME WHEN HE WAS TAKING PART

1448
00:45:19,263 --> 00:45:21,398
IN THIS, THAT WAS PART OF ARTS

1449
00:45:21,465 --> 00:45:23,767
TO THE PARK, CORRECT?

1450
00:45:23,834 --> 00:45:26,137
>> YES, I HAD WORKED UNDER JASON

1451
00:45:26,203 --> 00:45:27,705
AS ARCH TO THE PARK AND WE

1452
00:45:27,771 --> 00:45:30,708
KICKED OFF THIS PROJECT AND

1453
00:45:30,774 --> 00:45:31,742
CARRIED IT FORWARD.

1454
00:45:31,809 --> 00:45:33,310
>> IS IT THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT

1455
00:45:33,377 --> 00:45:35,179
ARCH TO THE PARK IS INVESTING IT

1456
00:45:35,246 --> 00:45:38,115
OR IS IT MORE OF A COMMUTER --

1457
00:45:38,182 --> 00:45:38,949
IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T KNOW HOW

1458
00:45:39,016 --> 00:45:40,017
MUCH INVESTMENT IS INVOLVED IN

1459
00:45:40,084 --> 00:45:41,085
BUILDING THESE AND WHETHER THE

1460
00:45:41,152 --> 00:45:42,286
PRIVATE SECTOR IS INVOLVED OR

1461
00:45:42,353 --> 00:45:43,854
THE PUBLIC OR BOTH IN MAKING

1462
00:45:43,921 --> 00:45:45,756
DECISIONS WHERE TO INVEST IN

1463
00:45:45,823 --> 00:45:48,592
THESE TRAILS AND SO FORTH.

1464
00:45:48,659 --> 00:45:50,227
>> YEAH, GREAT QUESTION.

1465
00:45:50,294 --> 00:45:52,930
SO BECAUSE THIS PROJECT

1466
00:45:52,997 --> 00:45:53,898
INITIALLY LAUNCHED WITH --

1467
00:45:53,964 --> 00:45:56,200
EXCUSE ME, WITH APPLYING TO

1468
00:45:56,267 --> 00:45:58,569
FEDERAL GRANT MONEY, SO THIS IS

1469
00:45:58,636 --> 00:46:00,938
VERY MUCH A PRIVATE-PUBLIC

1470
00:46:01,005 --> 00:46:02,439
PARTNERSHIP, SO THIS PARTICULAR

1471
00:46:02,506 --> 00:46:03,541
STRETCH, THE TOWER GROVE

1472
00:46:03,607 --> 00:46:05,843
CONNECTOR, DOES HAVE A

1473
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:07,144
$5.6 MILLION FEDERAL GRANT THAT

1474
00:46:07,211 --> 00:46:09,180
IS GOING TOWARDS CONSTRUCTION.

1475
00:46:09,246 --> 00:46:11,348
BUT WE HAD AS ARCH TO PARK AND

1476
00:46:11,415 --> 00:46:13,717
NOW GREATER ST. LOUIS, INC., HAS

1477
00:46:13,784 --> 00:46:16,020
ALSO COMMITTED FUNDING FOR THE

1478
00:46:16,086 --> 00:46:17,688
PRIVATE MATCH IN ADDITION TO THE

1479
00:46:17,755 --> 00:46:19,623
APPLICATION PROCESS, IN ADDITION

1480
00:46:19,690 --> 00:46:20,824
TO THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN

1481
00:46:20,891 --> 00:46:22,326
PHASE OF THIS PROJECT.

1482
00:46:22,393 --> 00:46:26,397
SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ONE OF MANY

1483
00:46:26,463 --> 00:46:28,132
PARTNERS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING

1484
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:29,733
IN THE PROJECT, BUT WE ARE ONE

1485
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,202
OF THE LEAD FUNDERS TO MAKE IT

1486
00:46:31,268 --> 00:46:31,602
HAPPEN.

1487
00:46:31,669 --> 00:46:33,003
BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE RECOGNIZE HOW

1488
00:46:33,070 --> 00:46:34,238
IMPORTANT IT IS FOR OUR REGION

1489
00:46:34,305 --> 00:46:36,273
TO GROW, TO HAVE THESE KINDS OF

1490
00:46:36,340 --> 00:46:36,574
AMENITIES.

1491
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,611
>> CAN I SAY, HOW MUCH IS THAT

1492
00:46:40,678 --> 00:46:41,078
INVESTMENT?

1493
00:46:41,145 --> 00:46:43,347
>> ALL IN, IT'S -- I'M GOING

1494
00:46:43,414 --> 00:46:45,749
TO -- I THINK IT'S ABOUT

1495
00:46:45,816 --> 00:46:47,051
2.6 MILLION.

1496
00:46:47,117 --> 00:46:48,586
>> FROM THE PRIVATE -- FROM ARCH

1497
00:46:48,652 --> 00:46:50,754
TO PARK OR GREATER ST. LOUIS?

1498
00:46:50,821 --> 00:46:51,488
>> CORRECT.

1499
00:46:51,555 --> 00:46:52,890
>> I GUESS IT -- OKAY.

1500
00:46:52,957 --> 00:46:54,658
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT EARLY

1501
00:46:54,725 --> 00:46:56,894
ON WHEN ARCH TO THE PARK

1502
00:46:56,961 --> 00:46:59,163
EMBRACED THIS PROJECT, THEY PAID

1503
00:46:59,230 --> 00:47:00,698
FOR AN ENGINEERING STUDY TO JUST

1504
00:47:00,764 --> 00:47:03,467
MAKE US READY TO APPLY FOR THE

1505
00:47:03,534 --> 00:47:04,702
FUNDS THROUGH THE CITY.

1506
00:47:04,768 --> 00:47:05,636
SO THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS HAS

1507
00:47:05,703 --> 00:47:07,137
BEEN A GREAT PARTNER WORKING

1508
00:47:07,204 --> 00:47:08,639
THROUGH THIS AND WE'VE HAD

1509
00:47:08,706 --> 00:47:11,008
ALDERMEN WHO DEDICATED SOME OF

1510
00:47:11,075 --> 00:47:12,176
THEIR FUNDING TOWARD GETTING

1511
00:47:12,243 --> 00:47:14,645
THIS DONE, SO MANY PARTNERS HAVE

1512
00:47:14,712 --> 00:47:16,046
COME TOGETHER TO REALLY MAKE

1513
00:47:16,113 --> 00:47:18,048
THIS A SUCCESS.

1514
00:47:18,115 --> 00:47:20,217
>> YEAH, AND JUST TO REITERATE

1515
00:47:20,284 --> 00:47:21,385
AGAIN, THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS,

1516
00:47:21,452 --> 00:47:22,820
THAT'S HOW WE -- THEY'RE THE

1517
00:47:22,886 --> 00:47:24,355
MAIN PARTNER ON THIS BECAUSE WE

1518
00:47:24,421 --> 00:47:27,224
CAN'T APPLY FOR FUNDS FROM THE

1519
00:47:27,291 --> 00:47:28,092
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITHOUT THE

1520
00:47:28,158 --> 00:47:29,326
PARTNERSHIP OF THE CITY, SO THEY

1521
00:47:29,393 --> 00:47:31,061
REALLY HAVE BEEN ADVOCATES IN

1522
00:47:31,128 --> 00:47:32,329
WANTING TO SEE THESE KINDS OF

1523
00:47:32,396 --> 00:47:34,698
PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD ALL

1524
00:47:34,765 --> 00:47:36,066
THROUGHOUT.

1525
00:47:36,133 --> 00:47:39,570
>> DO YOU THINK WE HAVE MORE

1526
00:47:39,637 --> 00:47:41,038
HOSTILITY FROM DRIVERS TOWARD

1527
00:47:41,105 --> 00:47:42,840
BICYCLES IN THIS CITY THAN IN

1528
00:47:42,906 --> 00:47:43,440
MOST CITIES?

1529
00:47:43,507 --> 00:47:46,143
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE

1530
00:47:46,210 --> 00:47:47,144
WHENEVER THERE'S A CONVERSATION

1531
00:47:47,211 --> 00:47:50,981
ABOUT BICYCLISTS, SOME GRUMPY

1532
00:47:51,048 --> 00:47:53,250
OLD GUY USUALLY WILL SAY, OH,

1533
00:47:53,317 --> 00:47:56,654
THOSE BICYCLISTS, THEY'RE ON

1534
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,223
CLAYTON ROAD, TAKING UP AN

1535
00:47:59,290 --> 00:47:59,690
ENTIRE LANE.

1536
00:47:59,757 --> 00:48:01,292
AND IF YOU SAY, SIR, WITH EVER

1537
00:48:01,358 --> 00:48:04,395
TO SHARE THE ROAD, PEOPLE GET

1538
00:48:04,461 --> 00:48:05,529
UPSET AND COMPLAIN ABOUT

1539
00:48:05,596 --> 00:48:07,998
BICYCLISTS.

1540
00:48:08,065 --> 00:48:10,901
IS THAT COMMON EVERYWHERE OR IS

1541
00:48:10,968 --> 00:48:12,670
THAT MORE PREVALENT HERE?

1542
00:48:12,736 --> 00:48:15,706
>> CAN WE EMPHASIZE, WE ARE NOT

1543
00:48:15,773 --> 00:48:17,474
THE GRUMPY OLD GUYS.

1544
00:48:17,541 --> 00:48:19,576
YOU JUST PUT IT --

1545
00:48:19,643 --> 00:48:21,712
>> YOU'RE NOT EVEN THE OLD GUYS.

1546
00:48:21,779 --> 00:48:23,080
STILL A YOUNG GUY.

1547
00:48:23,147 --> 00:48:25,149
>> I THINK YOU'RE KIND OF

1548
00:48:25,215 --> 00:48:26,583
SORTING OUT THERE THINGS.

1549
00:48:26,650 --> 00:48:28,218
THE ACTIVITY YOU SEE A CLAYTON

1550
00:48:28,285 --> 00:48:29,853
ROAD, THAT'S OFTEN ON THE

1551
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:30,721
WEEKENDS, RIGHT?

1552
00:48:30,788 --> 00:48:30,988
>> YES.

1553
00:48:31,055 --> 00:48:34,291
>> AND YOU MIGHT SEE LARGER

1554
00:48:34,358 --> 00:48:37,027
GROUPS OF FOLKS RECREATING

1555
00:48:37,094 --> 00:48:37,461
AND --

1556
00:48:37,528 --> 00:48:38,829
>> SOMETIMES YOU JUST SEE TWO

1557
00:48:38,896 --> 00:48:40,431
PEOPLE AND THEY'LL BE RIDING

1558
00:48:40,497 --> 00:48:41,799
ALONG IN THE RIGHT-HAND LANE,

1559
00:48:41,865 --> 00:48:42,966
BUT NOT SINGLE FILE.

1560
00:48:43,033 --> 00:48:45,302
SO PEOPLE DO HAVE TO GO AROUND

1561
00:48:45,369 --> 00:48:45,502
THEM.

1562
00:48:45,569 --> 00:48:48,105
I MEAN, I'M -- I'M NOT

1563
00:48:48,172 --> 00:48:51,642
IMPATIENT, BUT MANY PEOPLE ARE.

1564
00:48:51,709 --> 00:48:52,476
>> YES.

1565
00:48:52,543 --> 00:48:54,244
>> TWO PEOPLE SIDE BY SIDE

1566
00:48:54,311 --> 00:48:56,347
PROBABLY TAKE LESS ROOM THAN AN

1567
00:48:56,413 --> 00:48:56,547
SUV.

1568
00:48:56,613 --> 00:48:58,549
>> OH, ABSOLUTELY, BUT THEY GO

1569
00:48:58,615 --> 00:48:59,583
MUCH SLOWER THAN AN SUV.

1570
00:48:59,650 --> 00:49:01,352
>> I WOULD SAY, I'M A BIKE

1571
00:49:01,418 --> 00:49:02,586
COMMUTER, SO I LIVE IN YOUR

1572
00:49:02,653 --> 00:49:05,422
NEIGHBORHOOD, BILL, AND I BIKE

1573
00:49:05,489 --> 00:49:06,390
TO DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS AND I

1574
00:49:06,457 --> 00:49:08,392
WOULD SAY OVER THE LAST SEVEN

1575
00:49:08,459 --> 00:49:11,295
YEARS, IN BIKING TO WORK, MAYBE

1576
00:49:11,362 --> 00:49:12,730
TWO OR THREE TIMES I MIGHT HAVE

1577
00:49:12,796 --> 00:49:14,131
BEEN YELLED AT AND TOLD TO GET

1578
00:49:14,198 --> 00:49:14,832
ON THE SIDEWALK.

1579
00:49:14,898 --> 00:49:16,033
>> THAT'S NOT SO BAD.

1580
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:17,868
>> BUT NOT BY BILL.

1581
00:49:17,935 --> 00:49:18,702
NOT BY BILL.

1582
00:49:18,769 --> 00:49:20,471
>> THAT'S NOT THAT BAD.

1583
00:49:20,537 --> 00:49:22,840
>> I DON'T THINK IT WAS BILL.

1584
00:49:22,906 --> 00:49:25,476
>> OKAY.

1585
00:49:25,542 --> 00:49:26,844
NO, IT WASN'T ME.

1586
00:49:26,910 --> 00:49:28,946
>> HE'S MORE LIKELY TO SAY GET

1587
00:49:29,012 --> 00:49:29,380
OFF MY LINE.

1588
00:49:29,446 --> 00:49:31,582
>> AT TRAILNET, WE ALSO WORK ON

1589
00:49:31,648 --> 00:49:33,617
POLICY, AND SO WE HELP TO

1590
00:49:33,684 --> 00:49:34,852
ESTABLISH AN ANTI-HARASSMENT

1591
00:49:34,918 --> 00:49:37,454
POLICY SO THAT CYCLISTS CANNOT

1592
00:49:37,521 --> 00:49:38,122
BE HARASSED.

1593
00:49:38,188 --> 00:49:40,157
SOMEBODY CAN BE PROSECUTED FOR

1594
00:49:40,224 --> 00:49:40,891
HARASSING A CYCLIST.

1595
00:49:40,958 --> 00:49:41,525
>> REALLY?

1596
00:49:41,592 --> 00:49:43,227
>> YOU KNOW, THROWING A PIECE OF

1597
00:49:43,293 --> 00:49:46,130
PIZZA AT THEM HAPPENED TO ONE OF

1598
00:49:46,196 --> 00:49:48,065
MY INTERNS, BUT WE DID ESTABLISH

1599
00:49:48,132 --> 00:49:51,201
THAT BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO

1600
00:49:51,268 --> 00:49:53,437
FEEL SAFE USING TRANSIT, WALKING

1601
00:49:53,504 --> 00:49:54,605
BIKING, USING OTHER FORMS OF

1602
00:49:54,671 --> 00:49:56,073
TRANSIT AND TRANSPORTATION AND

1603
00:49:56,140 --> 00:49:58,275
NOT BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.

1604
00:49:58,342 --> 00:50:02,179
WOMEN FIND THAT A LOT, THAT THEY

1605
00:50:02,246 --> 00:50:05,582
CAN BE A TARGET WHILE THEY'RE

1606
00:50:05,649 --> 00:50:08,552
WALKING OR BIKING, AND SO WE

1607
00:50:08,619 --> 00:50:10,020
HELPED ESTABLISH THAT POLICY IN

1608
00:50:10,087 --> 00:50:10,421
ST. LOUIS.

1609
00:50:10,487 --> 00:50:11,822
>> WELL, CINDY, IF YOU'RE A

1610
00:50:11,889 --> 00:50:14,324
NEIGHBOR OF MINE, I TAKE IT YOU

1611
00:50:14,391 --> 00:50:16,026
BICYCLE A LOT IN FOREST PARK?

1612
00:50:16,093 --> 00:50:16,560
>> ABSOLUTELY.

1613
00:50:16,627 --> 00:50:17,261
>> RIGHT.

1614
00:50:17,327 --> 00:50:18,862
I MEAN, WHAT A GREAT PLACE THAT

1615
00:50:18,929 --> 00:50:20,697
IS.

1616
00:50:20,764 --> 00:50:23,033
>> AND PART OF THAT IS THAT IT'S

1617
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:24,601
PROTECTED, TOO, RIGHT?

1618
00:50:24,668 --> 00:50:26,103
BOTH FOREST PARK HAS PROTECT TD

1619
00:50:26,170 --> 00:50:28,505
LANES AND THIS NEW ONE WITH

1620
00:50:28,572 --> 00:50:30,073
TOWER GROVE CONNECTOR IS

1621
00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:31,041
PROTECTED TO HELP REDUCE SOME OF

1622
00:50:31,108 --> 00:50:33,143
THE CONFLICT WITH CARS, BUT THE

1623
00:50:33,210 --> 00:50:35,012
OTHER PIECE THAT'S KIND OF

1624
00:50:35,078 --> 00:50:35,746
EXCITING ABOUT THESE NEW

1625
00:50:35,813 --> 00:50:37,181
INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, NOT

1626
00:50:37,247 --> 00:50:38,782
ONLY SIT BETTER FOR BIKES AND

1627
00:50:38,849 --> 00:50:40,417
PEDS, IT'S BETTER FOR CARS TOO

1628
00:50:40,484 --> 00:50:41,585
BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO UPGRADING

1629
00:50:41,652 --> 00:50:42,419
SOME OF THE SIGNALS.

1630
00:50:42,486 --> 00:50:44,555
YOU'RE NO LONGER SITTING AT RED

1631
00:50:44,621 --> 00:50:45,923
LIGHTS EVERY TIME YOU HIT A

1632
00:50:45,989 --> 00:50:47,691
LIGHT, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE

1633
00:50:47,758 --> 00:50:49,193
COORDINATED TO HELP WITH THE

1634
00:50:49,259 --> 00:50:51,195
FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND REDUCE ANY

1635
00:50:51,261 --> 00:50:52,129
IDLING TO HELP IMPROVE THE AIR

1636
00:50:52,196 --> 00:50:52,930
QUALITY AS WELL.

1637
00:50:52,996 --> 00:50:54,598
I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE

1638
00:50:54,665 --> 00:50:56,733
FOCUS A LOT ON THE BIKE/PED, IT

1639
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,101
ACTUALLY DOES HAVE IMPROVEMENTS

1640
00:50:58,168 --> 00:51:00,804
FOR CARS AS WELL.

1641
00:51:00,871 --> 00:51:02,005
>> OKAY.

1642
00:51:02,072 --> 00:51:08,312
>> AND IT'S WONDERFUL WORK.

1643
00:51:08,378 --> 00:51:10,180
HAVE YOU EVER QUAUN IF I TI FIDE

1644
00:51:10,247 --> 00:51:12,049
THE IMPACT -- QUANTIFIED THE

1645
00:51:12,115 --> 00:51:13,217
IMPACT YOU'RE HAVING?

1646
00:51:13,283 --> 00:51:14,485
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU MEASURE HOW

1647
00:51:14,551 --> 00:51:17,721
MANY PEOPLE ARE CYCLING, BUT

1648
00:51:17,788 --> 00:51:21,091
THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT, TO

1649
00:51:21,158 --> 00:51:24,661
SAY WE HAVE THIS MANY MORE

1650
00:51:24,728 --> 00:51:25,729
CYCLISTS THAN WE DID?

1651
00:51:25,796 --> 00:51:28,465
>> THERE'S A VARIETY OF WAYS WE

1652
00:51:28,532 --> 00:51:28,832
MEASURE.

1653
00:51:28,899 --> 00:51:30,834
ONE OF THOSE IS APPLYING TO

1654
00:51:30,901 --> 00:51:32,936
BECOME A BIKE FRIENDLY STEP.

1655
00:51:33,003 --> 00:51:34,805
ST. LOUIS HAS A SILVER LEVEL,

1656
00:51:34,872 --> 00:51:36,440
THEY MOVED UP FROM BRONZE AND

1657
00:51:36,507 --> 00:51:38,041
WORKING TOWARD A GOLD LEVEL

1658
00:51:38,108 --> 00:51:39,843
RECOGNITION OR PLATINUM.

1659
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:43,013
WE ALSO -- TRAILNET HOSTS, EACH

1660
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,182
YEAR WE DO A BIKE COUNT A

1661
00:51:45,249 --> 00:51:46,650
BIKE/PED COUNT IN SEPTEMBER, SO

1662
00:51:46,717 --> 00:51:48,952
WE'LL SPEND TWO DAYS OUT THERE

1663
00:51:49,019 --> 00:51:50,153
COUNTING PEOPLE WALKING AND

1664
00:51:50,220 --> 00:51:51,655
BIKING AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS.

1665
00:51:51,722 --> 00:51:53,357
WE SECURE A BURCH OF VOLUNTEERS

1666
00:51:53,423 --> 00:51:55,192
AND -- A BUNCH OF VOLUNTEERS AND

1667
00:51:55,259 --> 00:51:57,961
YOU'LL SEE US OUT THERE WITH OUR

1668
00:51:58,028 --> 00:51:59,363
CLIPBOARDS LOOKING NOSY AND

1669
00:51:59,429 --> 00:52:00,898
COUNTING PEOPLE WALKING AND

1670
00:52:00,964 --> 00:52:02,466
BIKING SO WE CAN GET A BETTER

1671
00:52:02,533 --> 00:52:04,167
INDICATION WITH OUR OWN DATA OF

1672
00:52:04,234 --> 00:52:06,136
HOW TRAVELED THESE AREAS ARE.

1673
00:52:06,203 --> 00:52:07,871
AND WE CAN ALSO COMPARE IT TO

1674
00:52:07,938 --> 00:52:09,106
CRAFT DATA.

1675
00:52:09,172 --> 00:52:10,707
WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF CRASH DATA

1676
00:52:10,774 --> 00:52:12,743
ON WHERE WE'RE SEEING MORE

1677
00:52:12,809 --> 00:52:14,978
CRASHES THAT ARE FATAL FOR

1678
00:52:15,045 --> 00:52:17,948
PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS, TO

1679
00:52:18,015 --> 00:52:19,283
HELP THE CITY PRIORITIZE WHERE

1680
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:21,485
THEY PUT IN IMPROVEMENTS.

1681
00:52:21,552 --> 00:52:22,219
>> OKAY.

1682
00:52:22,286 --> 00:52:24,755
SARAH, A MINUTE AGO YOU

1683
00:52:24,821 --> 00:52:26,323
MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT

1684
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:27,858
TRAFFIC LIGHTS, THAT THEY'RE

1685
00:52:27,925 --> 00:52:31,395
BEING TIMED BETTER OR SOMETHING.

1686
00:52:31,461 --> 00:52:32,829
WHERE DO YOU STAND ON BICYCLISTS

1687
00:52:32,896 --> 00:52:35,332
WHO COME UP TO A RED LIGHT AND

1688
00:52:35,399 --> 00:52:37,768
LOOK AND MAKE SURE NOBODY'S

1689
00:52:37,834 --> 00:52:39,036
COMING, BUT THEN CROSS.

1690
00:52:39,102 --> 00:52:41,171
I MEAN, I LOOK AT IT AND I THINK

1691
00:52:41,238 --> 00:52:42,339
THAT'S PROBABLY A SAFE THING TO

1692
00:52:42,406 --> 00:52:44,241
DO, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY

1693
00:52:44,308 --> 00:52:46,209
THOSE DARN CYCLISTS, THEY DON'T

1694
00:52:46,276 --> 00:52:48,579
PAY ATTENTION TO THE RULES OF

1695
00:52:48,645 --> 00:52:50,080
THE ROAD.

1696
00:52:50,147 --> 00:52:51,915
WHERE ARE YOU ON THAT?

1697
00:52:51,982 --> 00:52:54,151
>> IT'S FUNNY WE HAD A PUBLIC

1698
00:52:54,217 --> 00:52:55,485
OPEN HOUSE ON THE TOWER GROVE

1699
00:52:55,552 --> 00:52:57,187
CONNECTOR YESTERDAY AND I HAD A

1700
00:52:57,254 --> 00:52:58,555
GENTLEMAN COME IN, HE WAS AN

1701
00:52:58,622 --> 00:53:02,359
AVID CYCLIST AND HE WAS VERY

1702
00:53:02,426 --> 00:53:04,361
ADAMANT THAT IT WAS VERY

1703
00:53:04,428 --> 00:53:05,896
IMPORTANT FOR CYCLISTS TO FOLLOW

1704
00:53:05,963 --> 00:53:06,997
ALL TRAFFIC RULES BECAUSE AS

1705
00:53:07,064 --> 00:53:09,232
SOON AS PEOPLE START BREAKING

1706
00:53:09,299 --> 00:53:10,400
THEM, THAT'S WHEN ACCIDENTS

1707
00:53:10,467 --> 00:53:13,270
HAPPEN AND PEOPLE GET UPSET.

1708
00:53:13,337 --> 00:53:15,038
IT REALLY IS BEST PRACTICE TO

1709
00:53:15,105 --> 00:53:16,173
FOLLOW TRAFFIC RULES EVEN THOUGH

1710
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:17,341
IT DOES LOOK CAREER.

1711
00:53:17,407 --> 00:53:19,009
DO I FOLLOW THAT EVERY TIME,

1712
00:53:19,076 --> 00:53:20,544
I'M -- YOU KNOW.

1713
00:53:20,611 --> 00:53:22,579
>> ACTUALLY, THERE IS A STATUTE

1714
00:53:22,646 --> 00:53:24,348
FOR A BICYCLIST THAT YOU CAN

1715
00:53:24,414 --> 00:53:26,583
STOP FOR A DEAD -- IF A RED

1716
00:53:26,650 --> 00:53:29,186
LIGHT ISN'T REGISTERING YOU AS A

1717
00:53:29,252 --> 00:53:30,587
CYCLIST, SO KIND OF A FUZZY

1718
00:53:30,654 --> 00:53:32,589
AREA, BUT LET'S SAY IT'S ONE OF

1719
00:53:32,656 --> 00:53:34,157
THOSE LIGHTS THAT ONLY DETECTS

1720
00:53:34,224 --> 00:53:37,728
CARS AND THE LIGHT DOESN'T TURN,

1721
00:53:37,794 --> 00:53:39,763
LIKE AT JEFFERSON AND LOCUST, IT

1722
00:53:39,830 --> 00:53:41,665
WON'T REGISTER YOU AS A CYCLIST,

1723
00:53:41,732 --> 00:53:43,600
SO YOU WON'T GET THE LIGHT.

1724
00:53:43,667 --> 00:53:46,069
AND SO THERE IS A LAW THAT

1725
00:53:46,136 --> 00:53:48,605
CYCLIST GO THROUGH A DEAD RED BY

1726
00:53:48,672 --> 00:53:50,073
COMING TO A STOP.

1727
00:53:50,140 --> 00:53:50,807
IF THE RED LIGHT DOESN'T

1728
00:53:50,874 --> 00:53:53,910
RECOGNIZE THEM, THEY CAN GO

1729
00:53:53,977 --> 00:53:54,611
THROUGH IT.

1730
00:53:54,678 --> 00:53:55,178
SO YEAH.

1731
00:53:55,245 --> 00:53:56,880
>> NOW WE KNOW.

1732
00:53:56,947 --> 00:53:57,714
>> YEAH.

1733
00:53:57,781 --> 00:53:58,649
IT IS LEGAL IF IT'S NOT

1734
00:53:58,715 --> 00:54:00,984
REGISTERING YOU.

1735
00:54:01,051 --> 00:54:02,653
>> WELL, I CAN SEE WHERE IT'S

1736
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,187
EVEN A SAFE THING TO DO

1737
00:54:04,254 --> 00:54:04,488
SOMETIMES.

1738
00:54:04,554 --> 00:54:08,025
I SEE A BICYCLIST COME UP AND HE

1739
00:54:08,091 --> 00:54:10,460
OR SHE KNOWS THAT IN A FEW

1740
00:54:10,527 --> 00:54:11,428
MINUTES SOMEBODY MIGHT BE COMING

1741
00:54:11,495 --> 00:54:13,030
DOWN, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S CLEAR,

1742
00:54:13,096 --> 00:54:14,097
BUT THE DRIVER SITTING THERE

1743
00:54:14,164 --> 00:54:15,165
NEXT TO HIM OR HER --

1744
00:54:15,232 --> 00:54:16,833
>> WELL, IF A DRIVER WAS THERE

1745
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:23,106
WITH THE CYCLIST, THAT DOESN'T

1746
00:54:23,173 --> 00:54:23,440
QUALIFY.

1747
00:54:23,507 --> 00:54:25,409
I'M SAYING IF THE CYCLIST --

1748
00:54:25,475 --> 00:54:26,576
>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE

1749
00:54:26,643 --> 00:54:26,810
SAYING.

1750
00:54:26,877 --> 00:54:28,445
>> WE'RE OUT OF TIME, RUNNING

1751
00:54:28,512 --> 00:54:29,579
OUT OF TIME.

1752
00:54:29,646 --> 00:54:31,348
REALLY QUICKLY, WHERE CAN PEOPLE

1753
00:54:31,415 --> 00:54:32,516
FIND THESE RULES OF THE ROAD?

1754
00:54:32,582 --> 00:54:35,652
CAN YOU TELL US IN TEN SECONDS?

1755
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,487
>> YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY FIND THEM

1756
00:54:37,554 --> 00:54:41,491
ON TRAILNET'S WEBSITE AT

1757
00:54:41,558 --> 00:54:41,825
TRAILNET.ORG.

1758
00:54:41,892 --> 00:54:45,262
>> ALL THE RULES OF CYCLING?

1759
00:54:45,328 --> 00:54:48,065
WE WANT TO THANK YOU, SARAH

1760
00:54:48,131 --> 00:54:49,900
ARNOSKY OF GREATER ST. LOUIS,

1761
00:54:49,966 --> 00:54:51,234
INC., AND CINDY MENSE OF

1762
00:54:51,301 --> 00:54:52,602
TRAILNET FOR DOING SUCH A GREAT

1763
00:54:52,669 --> 00:54:55,338
JOB OF TOLERATING OUR QUESTIONS.

1764
00:54:55,405 --> 00:54:56,873
YOU'RE WELCOME BACK ANYTIME ON

1765
00:54:56,940 --> 00:54:57,641
NEXT UP.

1766
00:54:57,708 --> 00:54:59,443
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR

1767
00:54:59,509 --> 00:54:59,710
INSIGHTS.

1768
00:54:59,776 --> 00:55:01,445
WE APPRECIATE IT AND TO OUR

1769
00:55:01,511 --> 00:55:03,213
DONNYBROOK AUDIENCE, WE WILL SEE

1770
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:04,414
YOU AGAIN NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT.

1771
00:55:04,481 --> 00:55:06,883
>> WE HOPE TO SEE YOU ON THE

1772
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:09,586
MOONLIGHT RAMBLE AUGUST 21st.

1773
00:55:09,653 --> 00:55:11,488
WE'LL BE IN TOWER GROVE.

1774
00:55:11,555 --> 00:55:11,822
>> THANK YOU.

1775
00:55:11,888 --> 00:55:13,256
>> BYE.

1776
00:55:13,323 --> 00:55:13,890
>> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE

1777
00:55:13,957 --> 00:55:14,825
POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT OF THE

1778
00:55:14,891 --> 00:55:15,926
BETSY AND THOMAS PATTERSON

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FOUNDATION AND THE MEMBERS OF

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NINE PBS.