1 00:04:06,113 --> 00:04:06,880 >>> THAT SEEMS FAIR TO ME. 2 00:04:07,013 --> 00:04:07,581 >> FAIRNESS ISN'T THE ISSUE. 3 00:04:07,714 --> 00:04:08,482 >> I DON'T REALLY THINK -- 4 00:04:08,615 --> 00:04:09,616 >> WRONG! 5 00:04:09,750 --> 00:04:10,684 >> WELL, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT 6 00:04:10,817 --> 00:04:12,285 FAIR IS, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT -- 7 00:04:12,419 --> 00:04:16,022 [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] 8 00:04:16,156 --> 00:04:19,159 [ BOING ] 9 00:04:19,292 --> 00:04:22,262 [ SOUNDS OF GLASS BREAKING ] 10 00:04:25,198 --> 00:04:25,799 >> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE 11 00:04:25,932 --> 00:04:26,600 POSSIBLE THROUGH THE GENEROUS 12 00:04:26,733 --> 00:04:31,304 SUPPORT OF THE MEMBERS OF KETC. 13 00:04:31,438 --> 00:04:33,874 HEY, THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR 14 00:04:34,007 --> 00:04:37,544 ANOTHER EDITION OF DONNYBROOK, 15 00:04:37,677 --> 00:04:38,745 THE FIRST FOR THE SPRING, SUCH 16 00:04:38,879 --> 00:04:41,381 AS IT IS, AND WE THANK THE FOLKS 17 00:04:41,515 --> 00:04:42,415 AT THE GATESWORTH FOR MAKING 18 00:04:42,549 --> 00:04:43,717 THIS PROGRAM POSSIBLE AS YOU'VE 19 00:04:43,850 --> 00:04:44,684 BEEN DOING SO LONG. 20 00:04:44,818 --> 00:04:45,385 THANK YOU SO MUCH. 21 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:48,155 LET'S MEET OUR PANELISTS. 22 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:49,556 SHE'S THE MEDIA VETERAN HERSELF, 23 00:04:49,689 --> 00:04:50,657 WENDY WIESE. 24 00:04:50,791 --> 00:04:52,959 ALONG WITH MR. BILL McCLELLAN 25 00:04:53,093 --> 00:04:55,295 FROM THE ST. LOUIS 26 00:04:55,428 --> 00:04:55,729 POST-DISPATCH. 27 00:04:55,862 --> 00:04:57,764 FROM ST. LOUIS MAGAZINE, RAY 28 00:04:57,898 --> 00:04:58,198 HARTMANN. 29 00:04:58,331 --> 00:05:01,134 AND FROM STLMAG.COM AND THE 30 00:05:01,268 --> 00:05:02,669 ST. LOUIS AMERICAN, WE SAY HELLO 31 00:05:02,803 --> 00:05:03,370 TO ALVIN REID. 32 00:05:03,503 --> 00:05:05,906 BUT WE KICK THINGS OFF WITH YOU, 33 00:05:06,039 --> 00:05:07,541 MR. ST. LOUIS MAGAZINE, RAY 34 00:05:07,674 --> 00:05:08,542 HARTMANN. 35 00:05:08,675 --> 00:05:10,811 NOW, IT'S YOUR MAGAZINE, 36 00:05:10,944 --> 00:05:11,311 ST. LOUIS. 37 00:05:11,444 --> 00:05:12,612 IS YOUR MAGAZINE GETTING 38 00:05:12,746 --> 00:05:12,946 SMALLER? 39 00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:14,281 BECAUSE THE POPULATION OF THE 40 00:05:14,414 --> 00:05:18,018 CITY OF ST. LOUIS CITY IS ALMOST 41 00:05:18,151 --> 00:05:20,320 300,000 AFTER BEING 850,000 IN 42 00:05:20,453 --> 00:05:21,655 THE EARLY 1950s. 43 00:05:21,788 --> 00:05:23,657 MAYBE MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE 44 00:05:23,790 --> 00:05:24,858 REGION IS REALLY NOT GROWING 45 00:05:24,991 --> 00:05:27,127 THAT MUCH, JUST ADDED ABOUT 500 46 00:05:27,260 --> 00:05:29,129 PEOPLE IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. 47 00:05:29,262 --> 00:05:30,931 THE COUNTY LOST SOME POPULATION, 48 00:05:31,064 --> 00:05:33,466 AND WE ARE NOT REALLY KEEPING UP 49 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:34,501 WITH OTHER MIDWESTERN CITIES ARE 50 00:05:34,634 --> 00:05:36,269 A THE NATION AS A WHOLE IN TERMS 51 00:05:36,403 --> 00:05:37,838 OF GROWING POPULATION. 52 00:05:37,971 --> 00:05:39,372 YOU THINK THIS IS A BIG ISSUE. 53 00:05:39,506 --> 00:05:40,240 >> NOT REALLY. 54 00:05:40,373 --> 00:05:41,041 IT'S NOT NEWS. 55 00:05:41,174 --> 00:05:43,543 I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY MUCH OUR 56 00:05:43,677 --> 00:05:43,877 REALITY. 57 00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:45,378 WE KNOW WE'RE SORT OF IN A 58 00:05:45,512 --> 00:05:48,748 STAGNANT POPULATION DEAL. 59 00:05:48,882 --> 00:05:52,252 THE BIG NEWS AS WE PRESENTEDED 60 00:05:52,385 --> 00:05:54,087 IT IS WE WERE PASSED BY 61 00:05:54,221 --> 00:05:55,655 BALTIMORE AS A METROPOLITAN 62 00:05:55,789 --> 00:05:55,956 AREA. 63 00:05:56,089 --> 00:05:57,757 I WENT TO THE BALTIMORE SUN 64 00:05:57,891 --> 00:05:59,226 WEBSITE TO SEE HOW MUCH THEY'RE 65 00:05:59,359 --> 00:06:03,864 CELEBRATING AND THEIR STORY IS 66 00:06:03,997 --> 00:06:04,598 BALTIMORE POPULATION CONTINUES 67 00:06:04,731 --> 00:06:05,899 STEEP DECLINE AND IT'S THE SAME 68 00:06:06,032 --> 00:06:06,800 STORY IN ST. LOUIS. 69 00:06:06,933 --> 00:06:08,969 THE CITY POPULATION, WHICH 70 00:06:09,102 --> 00:06:10,470 ADMITTED MORE IS LIKE 610 71 00:06:10,604 --> 00:06:12,272 INSTEAD 3600, BUT THEY HAVE THE 72 00:06:12,405 --> 00:06:14,574 SAME -- 300, BUT THEY HAVE THE 73 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:16,443 SAME THING, DOWN 9,000. 74 00:06:16,576 --> 00:06:18,111 THEY DIDN'T EVEN MENTION PASSING 75 00:06:18,245 --> 00:06:19,679 US AS A METROPOLITAN AREA. 76 00:06:19,813 --> 00:06:21,715 AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT AN 77 00:06:21,848 --> 00:06:22,482 APOLOGIST FOR IT. 78 00:06:22,616 --> 00:06:24,184 OUR REALITY IS WE HAVE TO FOCUS 79 00:06:24,317 --> 00:06:26,119 ON QUALITY OF LIFE AND 80 00:06:26,253 --> 00:06:27,554 REGIONALISM BECAUSE ONE OF THE 81 00:06:27,687 --> 00:06:28,355 POINTS WAS ST. CHARLES COUNTY 82 00:06:28,488 --> 00:06:29,890 CONTINUES TO GROW. 83 00:06:30,023 --> 00:06:31,825 I THOUGHT THE PERSON IN 84 00:06:31,958 --> 00:06:34,261 ST. CHARLES, O'FALLON HAD A NICE 85 00:06:34,394 --> 00:06:35,695 THING TO SAY, SHE ACTUALLY WENT 86 00:06:35,829 --> 00:06:37,197 OUT OF HER WAY TO SAY, WHOEVER 87 00:06:37,330 --> 00:06:38,598 WAS QUOTED THAT, WE REALIZE 88 00:06:38,732 --> 00:06:39,900 WE'RE TIED INTO THE ST. LOUIS 89 00:06:40,033 --> 00:06:40,200 AREA. 90 00:06:40,333 --> 00:06:41,635 I ALWAYS SAY THAT PEOPLE IN 91 00:06:41,768 --> 00:06:42,936 ST. CHARLES ARE AS MUCH A PART 92 00:06:43,069 --> 00:06:44,471 OF ST. LOUIS AS ST. LOUIS IS. 93 00:06:44,604 --> 00:06:46,273 WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON REGIONALISM, 94 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:47,641 QUALITY OF LIFE, AND STOP 95 00:06:47,774 --> 00:06:48,408 WRINGING OUR HANDS. 96 00:06:48,541 --> 00:06:50,343 >> I THINK KIND OF A BIG DEAL. 97 00:06:50,477 --> 00:06:52,078 A COUPLE THINGS, GOING TO THAT 98 00:06:52,212 --> 00:06:52,445 QUOTE. 99 00:06:52,579 --> 00:06:53,947 SHE STARTED OFF WITH WE'RE A 100 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,482 PLACE WHERE YOUR KIDS WITH PLAY 101 00:06:55,615 --> 00:06:56,950 IN THE FRONT YARD AND THEY'RE 102 00:06:57,083 --> 00:06:58,118 SAFE AND THE NEIGHBORS WATCH OUT 103 00:06:58,251 --> 00:06:59,853 FOR THEM, LIKE ALL THE REST OF 104 00:06:59,986 --> 00:07:02,422 THE REGION IS LIKE ALCATRAZ. 105 00:07:02,555 --> 00:07:04,491 >> YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT, 106 00:07:04,624 --> 00:07:06,326 THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 107 00:07:06,459 --> 00:07:07,994 >> SO SHE THREW A LITTLE BISCUIT 108 00:07:08,128 --> 00:07:09,429 OUR THAT I, THANK YOU. 109 00:07:09,562 --> 00:07:10,697 BUT I DUSH OUR WAY, THANK YOU. 110 00:07:10,830 --> 00:07:13,199 I NEED TO KNOW BASICALLY, WHO'S 111 00:07:13,333 --> 00:07:17,604 MOVING OUT OF THE CITY? 112 00:07:17,737 --> 00:07:19,306 IS IT ALL SOUTH SIDERS, IS IT 113 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:20,307 THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY? 114 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,143 WHERE ARE THEY GOING, WHAT IS 115 00:07:23,276 --> 00:07:23,877 THE AGE? 116 00:07:24,010 --> 00:07:25,478 ARE THE RING SUBURBS, THE OLDER 117 00:07:25,612 --> 00:07:27,380 ONES, ARE THEY LOSING 118 00:07:27,514 --> 00:07:28,281 POPULATION, WHICH I DON'T THINK 119 00:07:28,415 --> 00:07:28,682 SO. 120 00:07:28,815 --> 00:07:29,582 MAYBE WE NEED TO DESIGNATE 121 00:07:29,716 --> 00:07:31,584 EXACTLY WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE 122 00:07:31,718 --> 00:07:33,086 GOING AND WHERE THEY WERE LIVING 123 00:07:33,219 --> 00:07:33,920 BEFOREHAND IN THE CITY OF 124 00:07:34,054 --> 00:07:35,021 ST. LOUIS AND THROUGHOUT THE 125 00:07:35,155 --> 00:07:35,355 REGION. 126 00:07:35,488 --> 00:07:36,756 ONE THING, YOU MENTIONED 127 00:07:36,890 --> 00:07:38,491 BALTIMORE, BUT HEY, FOR ALL OF 128 00:07:38,625 --> 00:07:40,694 SOME OF THESE PLACES' PROBLEMS, 129 00:07:40,827 --> 00:07:42,095 DETROIT, SOMEHOW OR THE OTHER 130 00:07:42,228 --> 00:07:42,896 THEY'RE HANGING ON. 131 00:07:43,029 --> 00:07:44,331 LIKE DETROIT IS STILL A TOP TEN 132 00:07:44,464 --> 00:07:47,067 AND YOU MIGHT SAY THAT, HEY, YOU 133 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,169 KNOW THEY WERE BIGGER THAN US TO 134 00:07:49,302 --> 00:07:50,337 BEGIN WITH, BUT THEIR LOSS IS 135 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:51,204 NOT AS BIG. 136 00:07:51,338 --> 00:07:52,806 BUT DETROIT AND SOME PLACES LIKE 137 00:07:52,939 --> 00:07:54,307 THAT MADE SOME BIG DECISIONS. 138 00:07:54,441 --> 00:07:56,743 THEY SAID, LISTEN, WE'RE RAZING 139 00:07:56,876 --> 00:07:58,578 SOME OF THIS STUFF, WE'RE 140 00:07:58,712 --> 00:08:00,213 STARTING OVER AND I KNOW IT'S 141 00:08:00,347 --> 00:08:01,414 PAINFUL, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO 142 00:08:01,548 --> 00:08:04,751 CONSIDER THAT, BUT ST. LOUIS 143 00:08:04,884 --> 00:08:06,953 NEED TO BUST OUT OF THIS BOX. 144 00:08:07,087 --> 00:08:08,722 >> DO YOU THINK IT'S A 145 00:08:08,855 --> 00:08:10,323 COINCIDENCE THAT BALTIMORE HAD 146 00:08:10,457 --> 00:08:14,561 HAD ITS SHARE OF RACIAL STRIFE 147 00:08:14,694 --> 00:08:16,162 IN THE SAME WAY THAT ST. LOUIS 148 00:08:16,296 --> 00:08:16,496 HAS. 149 00:08:16,629 --> 00:08:18,298 THEY HAD FREDDIE GRAY, WE HAD 150 00:08:18,431 --> 00:08:19,432 MICHAEL BROWN. 151 00:08:19,566 --> 00:08:20,066 DO YOU THINK THERE'S A 152 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,668 CONNECTION THERE, THAT 153 00:08:21,801 --> 00:08:23,003 COMMUNITIES ARE MAYBE FAILING 154 00:08:23,136 --> 00:08:23,803 BECAUSE OPPORTUNITIES AREN'T 155 00:08:23,937 --> 00:08:25,972 BEING PURSUED HERE WHEN IT COMES 156 00:08:26,106 --> 00:08:28,074 TO COMPANIES, EVEN SMALLER 157 00:08:28,208 --> 00:08:29,476 COMPANIES BECAUSE OF THAT -- I 158 00:08:29,609 --> 00:08:30,744 MEAN, I HAVE NO IDEA IF THAT'S 159 00:08:30,877 --> 00:08:31,144 PART OF IT. 160 00:08:31,277 --> 00:08:34,447 >> WELL, THE BIGGEST GROWTH ALSO 161 00:08:34,581 --> 00:08:35,515 THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES WAS 162 00:08:35,648 --> 00:08:37,517 PLACES THAT WERE WELCOMING TO 163 00:08:37,650 --> 00:08:38,918 IMMIGRANTS, BOTH DOMESTIC AND 164 00:08:39,052 --> 00:08:41,388 FOREIGN, AND ARE WE THERE? 165 00:08:41,521 --> 00:08:43,423 >> I THINK WE ACTUALLY ARE IN 166 00:08:43,556 --> 00:08:45,425 THE CITY, BUT I THINK TO THE 167 00:08:45,558 --> 00:08:46,459 POINT, THE GRASS IS GREENER ON 168 00:08:46,593 --> 00:08:48,361 THE OTHER SIDE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT 169 00:08:48,495 --> 00:08:49,796 BALTIMORE, I MEAN, IS VERY 170 00:08:49,929 --> 00:08:51,297 COMPARABLE AND THE FACT THAT 171 00:08:51,431 --> 00:08:53,133 BALTIMORE CITY LIMITS IS 600 AND 172 00:08:53,266 --> 00:08:54,768 OURS IS 300 IS REALLY A FUNCTION 173 00:08:54,901 --> 00:08:56,836 ONLY OF HOW WE FROZE OUR CITY 174 00:08:56,970 --> 00:09:00,006 LIMITS IN THE 1870s BECAUSE MOST 175 00:09:00,140 --> 00:09:01,441 CITIES REALLY DO INCLUDE THE 176 00:09:01,574 --> 00:09:04,110 MAPLE WOODS AND U-CITIES AND 177 00:09:04,244 --> 00:09:05,178 CLAYTONS, PART OF THEIR -- 178 00:09:05,311 --> 00:09:07,514 >> BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE REGION. 179 00:09:07,647 --> 00:09:08,681 >> THE REGION IS NOT GROWING. 180 00:09:08,815 --> 00:09:09,682 >> AND THAT'S PART OF THE -- 181 00:09:09,816 --> 00:09:11,584 >> I THINK OUR GEOGRAPHY -- 182 00:09:11,718 --> 00:09:14,621 >> BILL IS RIGHT, WE HAVE AN 183 00:09:14,754 --> 00:09:16,456 OLDER POPULATION, GENERALLY N 184 00:09:16,589 --> 00:09:19,659 ST. LOUIS, AND A LOT OF RETIREES 185 00:09:19,793 --> 00:09:23,296 ARE MOVING TO FLORIDA OR TO 186 00:09:23,430 --> 00:09:27,634 PLACES LIKE IDAHO, LELAND COUNTY 187 00:09:27,767 --> 00:09:29,369 MICHIGAN HAD AN EXPLOSION, 188 00:09:29,502 --> 00:09:30,603 PLACES IN -- JACKSON, WYOMING, 189 00:09:30,737 --> 00:09:32,539 HAS AN EXPLOSION AND THEN 10,000 190 00:09:32,672 --> 00:09:33,640 BABY BOOMERS ARE RETIRING EVERY 191 00:09:33,773 --> 00:09:35,108 DAY, MANY OF THEM GO INTO 192 00:09:35,241 --> 00:09:36,176 RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES, WE'RE 193 00:09:36,309 --> 00:09:37,577 NOT A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY AND 194 00:09:37,710 --> 00:09:39,245 WITH AN OLDER POPULATION BASE, 195 00:09:39,379 --> 00:09:40,780 ST. LOUIS IS GOING TO LOSE A LOT 196 00:09:40,914 --> 00:09:42,415 OF RETIREES. 197 00:09:42,549 --> 00:09:46,019 >> THE ONLY GOOD SIDE, YOU KNOW, 198 00:09:46,152 --> 00:09:47,720 THE OLDER PEOPLE, WE WANT 199 00:09:47,854 --> 00:09:48,188 SUNSHINE. 200 00:09:48,321 --> 00:09:53,993 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FLORIDA. 201 00:09:54,127 --> 00:09:55,428 LELANDAU, MICHIGAN, IS A LITTLE 202 00:09:55,562 --> 00:09:56,696 DIFFERENT, IT'S A RESORT PLACE, 203 00:09:56,830 --> 00:09:58,331 BUT AT LEAST THE COST OF LIVING 204 00:09:58,465 --> 00:10:00,900 HERE IS SO CHEAP, THAT'S A HUGE 205 00:10:01,034 --> 00:10:01,301 INDUCEMENT. 206 00:10:01,434 --> 00:10:02,836 LIKE YOU TALK ABOUT LACK OF 207 00:10:02,969 --> 00:10:03,536 IMMIGRATION POPULATION. 208 00:10:03,670 --> 00:10:05,271 WHEN THE WORD GETS OUT TO SOME 209 00:10:05,405 --> 00:10:07,173 OF THESE IMMIGRANTS ABOUT HOW 210 00:10:07,307 --> 00:10:09,109 CHEAPLY THEY CAN LIVE HERE WHEN 211 00:10:09,242 --> 00:10:11,511 THEY'RE GOING TO CALIFORNIA AND 212 00:10:11,644 --> 00:10:12,545 CHICAGO, YOU KNOW, IF WE 213 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,948 MARKETED THAT A LITTLE MORE -- 214 00:10:15,081 --> 00:10:16,382 >> RIGHT, AND THAT WAS THE POINT 215 00:10:16,516 --> 00:10:17,784 YOU MADE IN YOUR COLUMN, THE 216 00:10:17,917 --> 00:10:18,985 FACT THAT YOU CAN GET EVERYWHERE 217 00:10:19,119 --> 00:10:21,020 IN 15 TO 20 MINUTES. 218 00:10:21,154 --> 00:10:22,388 THERE ARE NEVER ANY LINES AT THE 219 00:10:22,522 --> 00:10:24,524 GROCERY STORE, BUT CALIFORNIA IS 220 00:10:24,657 --> 00:10:25,592 LOSING A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE 221 00:10:25,725 --> 00:10:26,860 AS WELL. 222 00:10:26,993 --> 00:10:29,529 >> I JUST DON'T THINK -- I JUST 223 00:10:29,662 --> 00:10:31,731 DON'T THINK POPULATION GROWTH IS 224 00:10:31,865 --> 00:10:33,900 THAT IMPORTANT A STATISTIC. 225 00:10:34,033 --> 00:10:35,535 WE'RE NOT -- WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 226 00:10:35,668 --> 00:10:36,736 REALITIES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH 227 00:10:36,870 --> 00:10:40,440 OUR GEOGRAPHY, OUR CLIMATE. 228 00:10:40,573 --> 00:10:42,108 AS BILL ALWAYS POINTS OUT, THE 229 00:10:42,242 --> 00:10:43,676 LACK OF MARIJUANA BEING 230 00:10:43,810 --> 00:10:44,744 LEGALIZED HERE FOR THE BOOMERS, 231 00:10:44,878 --> 00:10:46,346 OR WHATEVER, BUT THE POINT IS, 232 00:10:46,479 --> 00:10:51,251 THERE'S A LOT OF DEMOGRAPHIC AND 233 00:10:51,384 --> 00:10:52,352 GEOGRAPHIC EFFECT AND HOW YOU'RE 234 00:10:52,485 --> 00:10:54,621 GROWING IS NOT A MEASURE OF 235 00:10:54,754 --> 00:10:56,322 WHETHER YOU'RE A GOOD MACE TO 236 00:10:56,456 --> 00:10:56,623 LIVE. 237 00:10:56,756 --> 00:10:58,358 >> I THINK IT IS, RAY, BECAUSE 238 00:10:58,491 --> 00:10:59,192 PEOPLE HAVE A DECISION WHERE 239 00:10:59,325 --> 00:11:00,793 THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE TO. 240 00:11:00,927 --> 00:11:01,928 ESPECIALLY LIKE 22-YEAR-OLDS 241 00:11:02,061 --> 00:11:03,196 GETTING OUT OF COLLEGE AND 242 00:11:03,329 --> 00:11:05,098 THEY'RE GOING TO PLACES LIKE 243 00:11:05,231 --> 00:11:05,832 AUSTIN AND COLORADO. 244 00:11:05,965 --> 00:11:07,300 >> THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE. 245 00:11:07,433 --> 00:11:09,202 >> WHEN YOU DON'T GROW, YOU'VE 246 00:11:09,335 --> 00:11:10,370 FEWER PEOPLE BUYING EVERYTHING 247 00:11:10,503 --> 00:11:12,105 FROM PIZZAS TO SUBSCRIPTIONS TO 248 00:11:12,238 --> 00:11:13,039 ST. LOUIS MAGAZINE AND LISTENING 249 00:11:13,173 --> 00:11:13,540 TO THE RADIO. 250 00:11:13,673 --> 00:11:14,874 >> AND HOUSES. 251 00:11:15,008 --> 00:11:16,743 >> SO YOU CAN'T GROW BUSINESS IF 252 00:11:16,876 --> 00:11:18,077 YOUR POPULATION IS STAGNANT. 253 00:11:18,211 --> 00:11:19,112 >> AND GO TO KANSAS CITY. 254 00:11:19,245 --> 00:11:21,614 IF PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT 255 00:11:21,748 --> 00:11:22,982 HAS HAPPENED WHEN WE WERE 256 00:11:23,116 --> 00:11:24,150 GROWING UP AND LOOKING AT KANSAS 257 00:11:24,284 --> 00:11:25,618 CITY LIKE IT WAS SOME SORT OF 258 00:11:25,752 --> 00:11:27,120 COW TOWN, THEY'VE BEEN 259 00:11:27,253 --> 00:11:30,390 INCREDIBLY BUSY OVER THE LAST 260 00:11:30,523 --> 00:11:31,391 30, 40 YEARS DOING EVERYTHING 261 00:11:31,524 --> 00:11:33,593 RIGHT APPARENTLY, STARTING WITH 262 00:11:33,726 --> 00:11:33,960 DOWNTOWN. 263 00:11:34,093 --> 00:11:35,195 >> WE HAD NO PROBLEM INSULTING 264 00:11:35,328 --> 00:11:35,595 KANSAS CITY. 265 00:11:35,728 --> 00:11:37,430 I AM SO GLAD I DO NOT GO TO 266 00:11:37,564 --> 00:11:39,499 COLLEGE AT THE UNIVERSE OF 267 00:11:39,632 --> 00:11:41,467 KANSAS NOW BECAUSE I'VE HAVE TO 268 00:11:41,601 --> 00:11:43,036 SIT THERE WITH MY MOUTH SHUT AND 269 00:11:43,169 --> 00:11:45,205 WE NEED TO SHAKE IT UP. 270 00:11:45,338 --> 00:11:46,706 I MEAN, YOUNG PEOPLE DON'T CARE 271 00:11:46,839 --> 00:11:48,474 ABOUT THE SNOW AND ANY OF THAT. 272 00:11:48,608 --> 00:11:49,375 >> THEY WANT TO HAVE FUN. 273 00:11:49,509 --> 00:11:50,743 >> THEY WANT TO LIVE SOME PLACE 274 00:11:50,877 --> 00:11:52,679 THAT IS FUN AND WE ARE NOT FUN. 275 00:11:52,812 --> 00:11:54,314 WE NEED TO SHAKE THIS THING UP. 276 00:11:54,447 --> 00:11:55,682 >> I THINK WE HAVE FUN. 277 00:11:55,815 --> 00:12:01,354 >> AS LONG AS WE'RE MAKING A 278 00:12:01,487 --> 00:12:02,755 TO-DO LIST, THERE IS ANYTHING 279 00:12:02,889 --> 00:12:04,724 THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THE SHED AT 280 00:12:04,857 --> 00:12:05,558 UNION STATION? 281 00:12:05,692 --> 00:12:07,727 HAS ANYBODY ELSE NOTICED THAT? 282 00:12:07,860 --> 00:12:10,063 >> MY DAUGHTER STILL USES THE 283 00:12:10,196 --> 00:12:11,397 MODULAR, WHATEVER, THE TRAIN 284 00:12:11,531 --> 00:12:11,764 STATION. 285 00:12:11,898 --> 00:12:13,933 >> OVER THE TRAIN STATION, IT IS 286 00:12:14,067 --> 00:12:15,268 RUSTED OUT. 287 00:12:15,401 --> 00:12:15,969 IT LOOKS LIKE -- 288 00:12:16,102 --> 00:12:17,770 >> MOST OF UNION STATION IS 289 00:12:17,904 --> 00:12:19,239 BEING REINVENTED. 290 00:12:19,372 --> 00:12:20,940 >> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE TRAIN 291 00:12:21,074 --> 00:12:22,308 STATION IN THE BACK. 292 00:12:22,442 --> 00:12:24,010 >> THAT'S OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IN 293 00:12:24,143 --> 00:12:24,344 THAT -- 294 00:12:24,477 --> 00:12:26,546 >> I THINK ALVIN IS ACTUALLY -- 295 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:27,614 I THINK HE IS RIGHT ABOUT 296 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:29,382 BLOWING STUFF UP, CHANGING 297 00:12:29,515 --> 00:12:29,716 THINGS. 298 00:12:29,849 --> 00:12:30,783 I THINK DEALING WITH THE BRAIN 299 00:12:30,917 --> 00:12:32,085 DRAIN OF THE YOUNG KIDS NOT 300 00:12:32,218 --> 00:12:33,186 WANTING TO STAY, THERE'S A LOT 301 00:12:33,319 --> 00:12:34,621 OF THINGS TO DO BETTER. 302 00:12:34,754 --> 00:12:36,389 I'M NOT ARGUING, OH, EVERYTHING 303 00:12:36,522 --> 00:12:37,423 IS SO WONDERFUL. 304 00:12:37,557 --> 00:12:40,693 WHAT I'M SAYING IS FOCUSING ON 305 00:12:40,827 --> 00:12:42,495 THAT STATISTIC AS OPPOSED TO 306 00:12:42,629 --> 00:12:44,998 FOCUSING ON QUALITY OF LIFE, 307 00:12:45,131 --> 00:12:46,232 REGIONALISM AND DOING THINGS TO 308 00:12:46,366 --> 00:12:48,668 MAKE THINGS WORK BETTER HERE IS 309 00:12:48,801 --> 00:12:50,603 MORE IMPORTANT THAN OBSESSING 310 00:12:50,737 --> 00:12:51,304 ABOUT THE NUMBERS. 311 00:12:51,437 --> 00:12:53,006 >> LET'S MOVE TO TO BILL 312 00:12:53,139 --> 00:12:53,373 McCLELLAN. 313 00:12:53,506 --> 00:12:54,907 I WANT TO ASK YOU, BECAUSE 314 00:12:55,041 --> 00:12:56,442 YOU'VE SPENT QUITE A BIT IN 315 00:12:56,576 --> 00:12:58,177 COURTS, I APPRECIATE THAT. 316 00:12:58,311 --> 00:13:00,580 THIS WEEK, JUDGE REX BURLISON, 317 00:13:00,713 --> 00:13:02,382 IN FACT YESTERDAY, DECIDED NOT 318 00:13:02,515 --> 00:13:03,883 TO CHANGE THE TRIAL DATE FOR THE 319 00:13:04,017 --> 00:13:05,351 GOVERNOR EVEN THOUGH THE 320 00:13:05,485 --> 00:13:06,953 GOVERNOR'S LAWYERS ASKED FOR AN 321 00:13:07,086 --> 00:13:08,554 APRIL 2nd TRIAL DATE. 322 00:13:08,688 --> 00:13:10,189 JACK GARVEY, A FORMER JUDGE, 323 00:13:10,323 --> 00:13:13,059 WENT IN FRONT OF REX BURLISON 324 00:13:13,192 --> 00:13:14,594 AND SAID, LOOK, GREITENS HAS 325 00:13:14,727 --> 00:13:16,195 JUST THREE WITNESSES AND I 326 00:13:16,329 --> 00:13:17,897 TALKED TO THEIR CHIEF INSPECTOR, 327 00:13:18,031 --> 00:13:20,166 THEIR ONLY INSPECTOR, WILLIAM 328 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:21,768 TISABY, AND HE SAYS THEY HAVE NO 329 00:13:21,901 --> 00:13:23,336 PHOTOGRAPHS, NO EVIDENCE OF ANY 330 00:13:23,469 --> 00:13:24,837 TRANSITION OF PHOTOGRAPHS, THEY 331 00:13:24,971 --> 00:13:26,973 DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO HAS A 332 00:13:27,106 --> 00:13:27,707 PHOTOGRAPH, AND JUST WITH THREE 333 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,242 WITNESSES AND NO EVIDENCE, LET'S 334 00:13:29,375 --> 00:13:34,247 GET ON WITH THE TRIAL, BUT THE 335 00:13:34,380 --> 00:13:36,282 JUDGE SAID, NO, WE'RE GOING TO 336 00:13:36,416 --> 00:13:37,684 GO WITH MAY 14th. 337 00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:39,018 AMONG OTHER REASONS, HE DIDN'T 338 00:13:39,152 --> 00:13:40,953 WANT TO BE INFLUENCED BY WHAT 339 00:13:41,087 --> 00:13:42,789 WAS GOING ON IN JEFF CITY AS THE 340 00:13:42,922 --> 00:13:44,624 GOVERNOR'S LAWYERS ARGUED AND 341 00:13:44,757 --> 00:13:45,692 ALSO THE ATTORNEY FOR THE WOMAN 342 00:13:45,825 --> 00:13:47,393 INVOLVED CLAIMED SHE WAS A 343 00:13:47,527 --> 00:13:48,761 FULL-TIME STUDENT, FULL-TIME 344 00:13:48,895 --> 00:13:50,763 WORKER AND MOTHER, AND SHE HAD 345 00:13:50,897 --> 00:13:52,031 REARRANGED HER SCHEDULE ALREADY 346 00:13:52,165 --> 00:13:54,200 FOR A MAY 14th DATE. 347 00:13:54,334 --> 00:13:55,101 OVERALL, DO YOU THINK JUSTICE 348 00:13:55,234 --> 00:13:56,769 WAS SERVE BY KEEPING THE MAY 349 00:13:56,903 --> 00:13:57,503 14th TRIAL DATE? 350 00:13:57,637 --> 00:13:58,838 >> YES, I DO. 351 00:13:58,971 --> 00:14:02,075 WE TALK ABOUT ST. LOUIS NOT 352 00:14:02,208 --> 00:14:03,643 BEING FUN, HERE'S AN INCIDENT 353 00:14:03,776 --> 00:14:04,577 WHERE IT IS FUN. 354 00:14:04,711 --> 00:14:07,280 THE GOVERNOR IS COMING ON TRIAL, 355 00:14:07,413 --> 00:14:08,247 CHARGED LIKE THIS. 356 00:14:08,381 --> 00:14:11,150 NOT FUN FOR EVERYBODY, BUT JACK 357 00:14:11,284 --> 00:14:13,219 GARVEY, A FORMER JUDGE ARGUING 358 00:14:13,353 --> 00:14:16,589 FOR THE DEFENSE, BOB DIERKER, A 359 00:14:16,723 --> 00:14:18,658 FORMER JUDGE, ARGUING FOR THE 360 00:14:18,791 --> 00:14:19,959 PROSECUTION, IT'S A SHOW TRIAL 361 00:14:20,093 --> 00:14:22,195 AND I THINK THE JUDGE SEEMS TO 362 00:14:22,328 --> 00:14:24,364 BE MAKING, WHAT I CAN TELL, ALL 363 00:14:24,497 --> 00:14:25,164 THE RIGHT CALLS. 364 00:14:25,298 --> 00:14:27,500 WHEN THE PROSECUTION WANTED IT 365 00:14:27,633 --> 00:14:28,735 TO BE SOMETIME SHORTLY BEFORE 366 00:14:28,868 --> 00:14:30,436 THE ELECTION IN OCTOBER, THE 367 00:14:30,570 --> 00:14:32,004 JUDGE SAID NO, THAT'S 368 00:14:32,138 --> 00:14:32,705 RIDICULOUS. 369 00:14:32,839 --> 00:14:34,140 AND WHEN THE GOVERNOR'S TEAM 370 00:14:34,273 --> 00:14:35,742 WANTS IT MOVED UP TO TOMORROW, 371 00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:37,643 THE JUDGE SAID, NO, WE'VE GOT A 372 00:14:37,777 --> 00:14:39,879 TRIAL DATE, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP 373 00:14:40,012 --> 00:14:40,580 IT. 374 00:14:40,713 --> 00:14:42,415 IT SEEMS ON TRACK TO BE AN 375 00:14:42,548 --> 00:14:44,217 INTERESTING TIME IN THE OLD 376 00:14:44,350 --> 00:14:44,517 TOWN. 377 00:14:44,650 --> 00:14:46,719 >> SO THE BIG QUESTION THEN, IS 378 00:14:46,853 --> 00:14:48,521 IT GOING TO BE A JUDGE RATHER 379 00:14:48,654 --> 00:14:51,391 THAN A JURY, BY THE BENCH, THE 380 00:14:51,524 --> 00:14:52,425 JUDGE, OR THE JURY? 381 00:14:52,558 --> 00:14:54,660 I THINK THAT'S A DECISION ON 382 00:14:54,794 --> 00:14:54,994 MONDAY? 383 00:14:55,128 --> 00:14:57,597 >> A JUDGE DECIDES THAT? 384 00:14:57,730 --> 00:14:59,298 >> YEAH, THE JUDGE YESTERDAY 385 00:14:59,432 --> 00:15:00,333 SAID ASSUME RIGHT NOW THAT THIS 386 00:15:00,466 --> 00:15:02,935 IS GOING TO BE A JURY TRY, BUT 387 00:15:03,069 --> 00:15:04,737 WE'LL DISCUSS -- JURY TRIAL, BUT 388 00:15:04,871 --> 00:15:05,938 WE'LL DISCUSS IT MONDAY MORNING 389 00:15:06,072 --> 00:15:07,974 AT 9:00 A.M. AND I'LL MAKE THAT 390 00:15:08,107 --> 00:15:08,341 DECISION. 391 00:15:08,474 --> 00:15:09,675 >> THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE 392 00:15:09,809 --> 00:15:10,810 SAYING THE PEOPLE OF ST. LOUIS 393 00:15:10,943 --> 00:15:14,514 HAVE A RIGHT, CORRECT, TO HEAR 394 00:15:14,647 --> 00:15:16,349 THIS CASE. 395 00:15:16,482 --> 00:15:18,317 >> I DON'T THINK HE SAID THAT -- 396 00:15:18,451 --> 00:15:19,519 TO PIPE DOWN ON THAT -- 397 00:15:19,652 --> 00:15:20,420 >> THERE'S NO RIGHT. 398 00:15:20,553 --> 00:15:21,421 >> RIGHT, IT'S GOING TO BE 399 00:15:21,554 --> 00:15:22,455 CALLED BY THE JUDGE. 400 00:15:22,588 --> 00:15:23,556 I THINK IT'S INTERESTING, 401 00:15:23,689 --> 00:15:25,858 THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF HANDY 402 00:15:25,992 --> 00:15:28,027 CAPPING OF THIS IN THE -- 403 00:15:28,161 --> 00:15:29,595 HANDICAPPING OF THIS IN THE 404 00:15:29,729 --> 00:15:30,763 PAPER, A LOT OF PUBLICITY AND 405 00:15:30,897 --> 00:15:34,534 THE PROSECUTOR HAS HAD A LOT OF 406 00:15:34,667 --> 00:15:36,302 STORIES HAVE NOT LOOKED GREAT 407 00:15:36,436 --> 00:15:37,904 COMING OUT OF THE GATE, BUT IF 408 00:15:38,037 --> 00:15:39,505 THE PROSECUTOR WAS DOING AS 409 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:41,240 POORLY OVERALL AS SOME PEOPLE 410 00:15:41,374 --> 00:15:42,175 THINK, THEY COULD HAVE EASILY 411 00:15:42,308 --> 00:15:43,276 THROWN THIS CASE OUT. 412 00:15:43,409 --> 00:15:44,811 THE JUDGE SEEMS TO BE HANDLING, 413 00:15:44,944 --> 00:15:46,546 AS BILL SAYS, EVERYTHING 414 00:15:46,679 --> 00:15:46,913 PROPERLY. 415 00:15:47,046 --> 00:15:48,648 MAYBE IT WILL HELP NET MIGRATION 416 00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:49,949 TO ST. LOUIS. 417 00:15:50,082 --> 00:15:51,551 CERTAINLY THE MEDIA WILL COME IF 418 00:15:51,684 --> 00:15:54,620 FOR A WHILE, GOOD FOR TOURISM. 419 00:15:54,754 --> 00:15:56,589 >> BUT I WONDER IF THE NATIONAL 420 00:15:56,722 --> 00:15:57,123 MEDIA WILL. 421 00:15:57,256 --> 00:15:58,624 >> YEAH, THERE WILL BE SOME -- 422 00:15:58,758 --> 00:16:00,092 >> WE'VE HAD SOME TRIALS HERE IN 423 00:16:00,226 --> 00:16:03,329 THE LAST YEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, 424 00:16:03,463 --> 00:16:04,130 VERY, YOU KNOW, CONTROVERSIAL 425 00:16:04,263 --> 00:16:04,897 AND ALL THAT. 426 00:16:05,031 --> 00:16:06,766 I THINK ANY ONE OF US COVER GONE 427 00:16:06,899 --> 00:16:10,336 ON FAE ANY DAY AROUND APPARENTLY 428 00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:12,472 FOR THIS TRIAL, THEY'RE GOING TO 429 00:16:12,605 --> 00:16:14,373 HAVE SEAT ASSIGNMENT AND THERE'S 430 00:16:14,507 --> 00:16:16,776 NATIONAL PEOPLE. 431 00:16:16,909 --> 00:16:19,378 THE GOVERNOR MIGHT COME OUT WITH 432 00:16:19,512 --> 00:16:20,513 SOME RISQUE STUFF. 433 00:16:20,646 --> 00:16:21,614 >> THERE'S FUN STUFF THAT PEOPLE 434 00:16:21,747 --> 00:16:22,982 LIKE TO LISTEN TO. 435 00:16:23,115 --> 00:16:23,983 ANYTIME YOU HAVE A STORY THAT 436 00:16:24,116 --> 00:16:25,952 YOU CAN GET THE GOVERNOR, A HAIR 437 00:16:26,085 --> 00:16:28,421 DRESSER AND A BLIND FIELD IN THE 438 00:16:28,554 --> 00:16:33,125 SAME SENTENCE -- BLIND FOLD IN 439 00:16:33,259 --> 00:16:34,026 THE SAME SENTENCE. 440 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:34,994 >> NET MIGRATION. 441 00:16:35,127 --> 00:16:37,830 >> MAYBE THE X-FACTOR THAT WE 442 00:16:37,964 --> 00:16:41,067 DON'T REFER TO MUCH, IS HOW 443 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,568 WILLING A WITNESS IS THE WOMAN 444 00:16:42,702 --> 00:16:42,935 INVOLVED. 445 00:16:43,069 --> 00:16:45,905 THE FACT THAT HER LAWYERS 446 00:16:46,038 --> 00:16:47,807 WEIGHED IN ON KEEPING IT IN MAY 447 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:48,741 WAS INTERESTING. 448 00:16:48,875 --> 00:16:50,643 I THINK A LOT OF THIS COULD COME 449 00:16:50,776 --> 00:16:52,345 DOWN, ASSUMING THEY DON'T HAVE A 450 00:16:52,478 --> 00:16:53,646 LOT OF PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE, A 451 00:16:53,779 --> 00:16:55,381 LOT OF THIS COULD COME DOWN TO 452 00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:56,482 WHAT KIND OF WITNESS SHE IS AND 453 00:16:56,616 --> 00:16:57,984 HOW WILLING SHE IS. 454 00:16:58,117 --> 00:17:00,019 >> WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW TSH 455 00:17:00,152 --> 00:17:04,257 DECKALLY, WE DIDN'T KNOW -- 456 00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:05,625 TECHNICALLY, WE DIDN'T KNOW, BUT 457 00:17:05,758 --> 00:17:07,360 NOW WE KNOW SHE'LL BE IN THE 458 00:17:07,493 --> 00:17:07,760 COURTROOM. 459 00:17:07,894 --> 00:17:09,061 >> WHAT WE HEAR ON THE TAPE, 460 00:17:09,195 --> 00:17:10,096 THAT'S THREE YEARS OLD. 461 00:17:10,229 --> 00:17:11,564 SHE'S HAD -- YOU KNOW WHAT I'M 462 00:17:11,697 --> 00:17:11,898 SAYING? 463 00:17:12,031 --> 00:17:15,635 SHE'S HAD A LOT OF TIME TO THINK 464 00:17:15,768 --> 00:17:18,304 THINGS OVER, TO MAYBE CHANGE HER 465 00:17:18,437 --> 00:17:19,605 ATTITUDES, WHO KNOWS. 466 00:17:19,739 --> 00:17:21,173 >> ONCE YOU'RE DEPOSED, YOU 467 00:17:21,307 --> 00:17:23,142 KNOW, LIKE HEY, THIS IS YOUR 468 00:17:23,276 --> 00:17:25,011 STATEMENT, SO WHEN YOU GET IN 469 00:17:25,144 --> 00:17:27,947 THE COURTROOM, IT'S KIND OF 470 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:29,916 LIKE, YOU CAN'T CHANGE YOUR MIND 471 00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:32,485 NOW, THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID AND 472 00:17:32,618 --> 00:17:33,553 THIS IS WHY WE'RE HEAR. 473 00:17:33,686 --> 00:17:35,121 >> BUT WHAT SHE SAID ON THE 474 00:17:35,254 --> 00:17:35,655 TAPE -- 475 00:17:35,788 --> 00:17:38,591 >> I'M TALKING ABOUT ONCE YOU'RE 476 00:17:38,724 --> 00:17:39,425 DEPOSED AND ALL THAT. 477 00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:40,993 >> TEARFULLY ADMITTING THAT SHE 478 00:17:41,127 --> 00:17:44,564 WAS WILDLY ATTRACTED TO HIM AND 479 00:17:44,697 --> 00:17:45,865 THEY WERE WILDLY ATTRACTED TO 480 00:17:45,998 --> 00:17:47,867 EACH OTHER IN THOSE FIRST 481 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,969 MEETINGS, I'M THING THINGS HAVE 482 00:17:50,102 --> 00:17:50,336 CHANGED. 483 00:17:50,469 --> 00:17:51,270 >> WHAT THIS IS GOING TO COME 484 00:17:51,404 --> 00:17:53,105 DOWN -- WELL, WE DON'T -- WHAT 485 00:17:53,239 --> 00:17:55,241 IT WOULD COME DOWN TO IS WHETHER 486 00:17:55,374 --> 00:17:56,342 HE, AS SHE SUGGESTED IN THE 487 00:17:56,475 --> 00:17:57,143 TAPE, TOOK THE PHOTOGRAPH 488 00:17:57,276 --> 00:17:59,245 WITHOUT HER PERMISSION AND 489 00:17:59,378 --> 00:18:00,646 THREATENED HER AND IF SHE'S 490 00:18:00,780 --> 00:18:01,781 WILLING TO TESTIFY TO THAT, THEN 491 00:18:01,914 --> 00:18:05,885 IT COMES DOWN TO WHETHER SHE'S 492 00:18:06,018 --> 00:18:07,186 BELIEVABLE AND I'M NOT MAKING 493 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:08,321 ANY PREDICTION OR IMPLICATION 494 00:18:08,454 --> 00:18:10,356 THAT HE IS GUILTY, I HAVE NO 495 00:18:10,489 --> 00:18:11,591 IDEA, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT 496 00:18:11,724 --> 00:18:12,825 HER CREDIBILITY AND INTEREST AS 497 00:18:12,959 --> 00:18:14,060 A WITNESS MAY BE A VERY 498 00:18:14,193 --> 00:18:15,695 IMPORTANT PART OF THIS 499 00:18:15,828 --> 00:18:16,095 PROCEEDING. 500 00:18:16,228 --> 00:18:18,064 >> WELL, BEAR IN MIND, TOO, THAT 501 00:18:18,197 --> 00:18:19,599 BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT -- 502 00:18:19,732 --> 00:18:21,067 >> RIGHT, RIGHT. 503 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,336 >> AND THE STATE'S ONLY WITNESS, 504 00:18:23,469 --> 00:18:25,471 I MEAN, WHO WAS THERE. 505 00:18:25,605 --> 00:18:26,005 >> EXACTLY. 506 00:18:26,138 --> 00:18:28,574 >> ACCORDING TO WHAT SHE SAID ON 507 00:18:28,708 --> 00:18:31,978 THE TAPE, SHE WAS BLIND FOLDED 508 00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:34,380 AT THE TIME, SO THAT KIND OF 509 00:18:34,513 --> 00:18:35,414 HANDICAPS A WITNESS. 510 00:18:35,548 --> 00:18:36,515 >> CORRECT AND I'M NOT 511 00:18:36,649 --> 00:18:38,050 SUGGESTING THAT HE'S GUILTY. 512 00:18:38,184 --> 00:18:39,251 I'M JUST SAYING HER ROLE IS 513 00:18:39,385 --> 00:18:40,286 GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING PART 514 00:18:40,419 --> 00:18:40,586 OF IT. 515 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:41,887 >> WHAT I THOUGHT WAS 516 00:18:42,021 --> 00:18:43,222 INTERESTING YESTERDAY IS WHEN 517 00:18:43,356 --> 00:18:46,058 JACK GARVEY, ATTORNEY FOR THE 518 00:18:46,192 --> 00:18:48,995 DEFENSE, HAD SAID, LOOK, YOUR 519 00:18:49,128 --> 00:18:50,930 LEAD INVESTIGATOR SAYS NO 520 00:18:51,063 --> 00:18:54,634 PHOTOGRAPH, NO EVIDENCE, NO ONE 521 00:18:54,767 --> 00:18:56,202 LOOKING FOR THE PHOTOGRAPH, LA 522 00:18:56,335 --> 00:18:58,971 BLAH BLAH BLAH, SO THE CIRCUIT 523 00:18:59,105 --> 00:19:00,373 ATTORNEY KIM GARDNER GOT UP 524 00:19:00,506 --> 00:19:01,607 THERE AND SAID WE HAVE EVIDENCE 525 00:19:01,741 --> 00:19:03,042 YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT AND GARVEY 526 00:19:03,175 --> 00:19:04,410 GOT UP THERE AND SAID THAT'S 527 00:19:04,543 --> 00:19:05,678 PRETTY DISTURBING BECAUSE UNDER 528 00:19:05,811 --> 00:19:07,146 THE RULES OF DISCOVERY, YOU HAVE 529 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:08,080 TO SHARE THAT. 530 00:19:08,214 --> 00:19:09,081 I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN 531 00:19:09,215 --> 00:19:10,082 INTERESTING MOMENT IN THE 532 00:19:10,216 --> 00:19:11,183 COURTROOM WHICH IS INTERESTING 533 00:19:11,317 --> 00:19:13,786 WHEN YOU HAVE A JUDGE SAYING 534 00:19:13,919 --> 00:19:16,122 THAT TO A JUDGE AND -- SO WE'LL 535 00:19:16,255 --> 00:19:17,223 SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 536 00:19:17,356 --> 00:19:19,592 OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO WENDY. 537 00:19:19,725 --> 00:19:21,160 AS IT TURNS OUT, SPEAKING OF 538 00:19:21,293 --> 00:19:23,696 THIS CASE, THERE WAS A MOTION TO 539 00:19:23,829 --> 00:19:25,164 DISQUALIFY RONALD S. SULLIVAN, 540 00:19:25,297 --> 00:19:28,267 THE HARVARD PROFESSOR WHO IS 541 00:19:28,401 --> 00:19:29,468 WORKING ON THIS CASE AND THE 542 00:19:29,602 --> 00:19:31,203 DEFENSE SAID, YOU CAN'T HAVE 543 00:19:31,337 --> 00:19:34,607 THIS RONALD S. SULLIVAN. 544 00:19:34,740 --> 00:19:36,375 NUMBER ONE, HE'S NOT ADMITTED TO 545 00:19:36,509 --> 00:19:37,343 THE MISSOURI BAR. 546 00:19:37,476 --> 00:19:38,844 NUMBER TWO, HE'S WORKING ON 547 00:19:38,978 --> 00:19:40,179 ANOTHER CRIMINAL CASE, I THINK 548 00:19:40,312 --> 00:19:42,014 IN CONNECTICUT SIMULTANEOUSLY, 549 00:19:42,148 --> 00:19:42,948 WHICH IS AGAINST MISSOURI LAW, 550 00:19:43,082 --> 00:19:44,383 AND FURTHERMORE, IF THERE IS 551 00:19:44,517 --> 00:19:47,086 GOING TO BE A SPECIAL 552 00:19:47,219 --> 00:19:48,454 PROSECUTOR, HE OR SHE HAS TO BE 553 00:19:48,587 --> 00:19:50,956 APPOINTED BY THE JUDGE AND THE 554 00:19:51,090 --> 00:19:52,224 SALARY HAS TO BE DETERMINED BY 555 00:19:52,358 --> 00:19:54,093 THE COURT AS WELL. 556 00:19:54,226 --> 00:19:55,961 ACTUALLY, GREITENS' SEEM SAID 557 00:19:56,095 --> 00:19:59,765 THAT THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY 558 00:19:59,899 --> 00:20:01,701 COMMITTED A MISDEMEANOR CRIME BY 559 00:20:01,834 --> 00:20:02,868 APPOINTING RONALD S. SULLIVAN. 560 00:20:03,002 --> 00:20:05,137 ARE YOU BUYING THAT? 561 00:20:05,271 --> 00:20:06,839 >> I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN 562 00:20:06,972 --> 00:20:07,707 EASY -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 563 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,775 I THINK THE JF WOULD HAVE 564 00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:11,043 ALREADY MOVED -- THE JUDGE WOULD 565 00:20:11,177 --> 00:20:12,244 HAVE ALREADY MOVED ON THAT. 566 00:20:12,378 --> 00:20:14,246 IF THE PROSECUTOR HAS COMMITTED 567 00:20:14,380 --> 00:20:17,149 A MISDEMEANOR, THEN GET RID OF 568 00:20:17,283 --> 00:20:17,416 HIM. 569 00:20:17,550 --> 00:20:19,852 GET HIM OUT OF THE CIRCUIT 570 00:20:19,985 --> 00:20:21,253 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 571 00:20:21,387 --> 00:20:22,188 I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE WAITING 572 00:20:22,321 --> 00:20:22,555 ON THAT. 573 00:20:22,688 --> 00:20:25,124 THAT WOULD BE EASY TO PROVE, 574 00:20:25,257 --> 00:20:25,424 RIGHT? 575 00:20:25,558 --> 00:20:25,791 I MEAN -- 576 00:20:25,925 --> 00:20:29,662 >> NO, NO, THE QUESTION IS THE 577 00:20:29,795 --> 00:20:30,830 CIRCUIT ATTORNEY HAS, AT LEAST 578 00:20:30,963 --> 00:20:33,032 IS ARGUING THAT, THEY HAVE SOME 579 00:20:33,165 --> 00:20:34,400 DISCRETION ABOUT HOW THEY GO 580 00:20:34,533 --> 00:20:36,001 ABOUT DOING THIS, AND I DON'T 581 00:20:36,135 --> 00:20:37,169 THINK IT'S CLEAR -- 582 00:20:37,303 --> 00:20:39,305 >> BUT HE'S AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. 583 00:20:39,438 --> 00:20:40,740 HE IS CLEARLY NOT AN ELECTED 584 00:20:40,873 --> 00:20:41,107 OFFICIAL. 585 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,141 >> THE ARGUMENT IS THAT THE 586 00:20:42,274 --> 00:20:43,642 CIRCUIT ATTORNEY HAS THE RIGHT 587 00:20:43,776 --> 00:20:44,710 TO BRING THIS PERSON IN. 588 00:20:44,844 --> 00:20:46,278 >> THE LATITUDE. 589 00:20:46,412 --> 00:20:48,047 >> THAT MIGHT BE AS SIMPLE AS, 590 00:20:48,180 --> 00:20:49,381 HE'S A CONSULTANT, NOT PART OF 591 00:20:49,515 --> 00:20:50,382 THE PROSECUTION. 592 00:20:50,516 --> 00:20:52,251 >> BUT IF HE MOVES -- 593 00:20:52,384 --> 00:20:53,052 >> BUT HE IS -- 594 00:20:53,185 --> 00:20:54,153 >> THAT KIND OF MONEY. 595 00:20:54,286 --> 00:20:57,656 >> HE'S FILING PLEADINGS ON HIS 596 00:20:57,790 --> 00:21:00,159 NAME ON IT IN THE COURT 597 00:21:00,292 --> 00:21:00,559 DOCUMENTS. 598 00:21:00,693 --> 00:21:01,594 >> AND IF HE MOVES HERE, IT'S 599 00:21:01,727 --> 00:21:02,628 NET MIGRATION. 600 00:21:02,762 --> 00:21:03,529 WE NEED MORE PEOPLE. 601 00:21:03,662 --> 00:21:04,263 >> OKAY. 602 00:21:04,396 --> 00:21:05,598 RAY, WHAT ABOUT A STUDY THAT 603 00:21:05,731 --> 00:21:07,600 CAME OUT INDICATING THAT NO LESS 604 00:21:07,733 --> 00:21:10,436 THAN $29 MILLION IN TAXES HAVE 605 00:21:10,569 --> 00:21:13,405 BEEN FORGIVEN TO LOCAL COMPANIES 606 00:21:13,539 --> 00:21:15,841 THAT RECEIVE TIFs AND ABATEMENTS 607 00:21:15,975 --> 00:21:17,543 IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS LAST 608 00:21:17,676 --> 00:21:17,843 YEAR? 609 00:21:17,977 --> 00:21:19,945 THAT'S UP FROM WHAT I THINK WAS, 610 00:21:20,079 --> 00:21:21,347 WHAT, $17 MILLION? 611 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,616 SO IN OTHER WORDS, SCHOOLS, 612 00:21:23,749 --> 00:21:25,885 PARKS, POLICE, THE ZOO, ARE NOT 613 00:21:26,018 --> 00:21:27,319 GETTING UP TO $29 MILLION. 614 00:21:27,453 --> 00:21:30,623 >> BUT THEY CALL IT A 615 00:21:30,756 --> 00:21:31,423 CALCULATION ERROR? 616 00:21:31,557 --> 00:21:32,691 >> A COMPUTATION ERROR. 617 00:21:32,825 --> 00:21:35,194 >> A COMPUTATION ERROR? 618 00:21:35,327 --> 00:21:37,429 TECHNICALLY, THERE'S A 50-50 619 00:21:37,563 --> 00:21:39,832 CHANCE IN A COMPUTATION ERROR 620 00:21:39,965 --> 00:21:41,200 THAT THEY HAVE -- IT JUST 621 00:21:41,333 --> 00:21:43,836 HAPPENS IN THIS CASE THAT THEY 622 00:21:43,969 --> 00:21:44,703 UNDERSTATED HOW MUCH MONEY THEY 623 00:21:44,837 --> 00:21:47,239 WERE GIVING AWAY BY 70%. 624 00:21:47,373 --> 00:21:48,374 FROM 17 TO 29 MILLION. 625 00:21:48,507 --> 00:21:50,009 THAT IN ITSELF SHOULD BE A BIG 626 00:21:50,142 --> 00:21:50,309 STORY. 627 00:21:50,442 --> 00:21:53,445 IT'S LIKE, EXCUSE ME? 628 00:21:53,579 --> 00:21:55,014 WE JUST MADE A LITTLE ERROR, 629 00:21:55,147 --> 00:21:56,115 12 MILLION BUCKS. 630 00:21:56,248 --> 00:21:59,585 I THINK IT'S -- RIGHT NOW, THE 631 00:21:59,718 --> 00:22:01,420 ISSUE IS THE CITY LOBBYIST FOR 632 00:22:01,554 --> 00:22:03,355 THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS TESTIFYING 633 00:22:03,489 --> 00:22:05,724 AGAINST TIF REFORM, WHICH I 634 00:22:05,858 --> 00:22:08,093 THINK IS A REAL BAD LOOK FOR US 635 00:22:08,227 --> 00:22:13,232 BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIFs -- 636 00:22:13,365 --> 00:22:14,600 THERE WAS A GREAT PIECE ON THE 637 00:22:14,733 --> 00:22:15,534 WEBSITE ABOUT THIS. 638 00:22:15,668 --> 00:22:16,535 THEY'RE SAYING WE NEED MORE 639 00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:18,704 LOCAL CONTROL OF THIS. 640 00:22:18,838 --> 00:22:20,172 WELL, LOCAL CONTROL DOES INCLUDE 641 00:22:20,306 --> 00:22:22,508 THINGS WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE 642 00:22:22,641 --> 00:22:23,542 TIFF REFORM LIKE SCHOOL 643 00:22:23,676 --> 00:22:28,113 DISTRICTS HAVING A BETTER SAY IN 644 00:22:28,247 --> 00:22:28,814 DEFENDING THEMSELVES AGAINST 645 00:22:28,948 --> 00:22:30,416 TIFFs, SO I THINK THE CITY OUGHT 646 00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:33,185 TO BACK OFF OF FIGHTING THIS. 647 00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:34,186 >> GOOD FOR YOU. 648 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,256 >> TIFF REFORM IS NOT GOING TO 649 00:22:37,389 --> 00:22:38,257 CHANGE THINGS OVERNIGHT. 650 00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:39,758 >> I'M ALL FOR THINGS LIKE 651 00:22:39,892 --> 00:22:42,328 SCHOOL DISTRICTS OPTING OUT, BUT 652 00:22:42,461 --> 00:22:44,630 UNTIL THE CITY CHANGES HOW THEY 653 00:22:44,763 --> 00:22:48,200 FEEL ABOUT TIFFs, I'M NOT GOING 654 00:22:48,334 --> 00:22:50,102 TO BE MAD AT THEM HAVING A 655 00:22:50,236 --> 00:22:51,470 LOBBYIST DOWN THERE, THEY'RE 656 00:22:51,604 --> 00:22:52,137 DOING THEIR JOB. 657 00:22:52,271 --> 00:22:53,739 IT NEEDS TO BE REFORMED. 658 00:22:53,873 --> 00:22:55,841 WHEN YOU SAY WE DON'T HAVE ANY 659 00:22:55,975 --> 00:22:56,775 MONEY, IT'S OUR FAULT BECAUSE 660 00:22:56,909 --> 00:22:58,043 WE'RE GIVING IT ALL AWAY. 661 00:22:58,177 --> 00:22:59,612 I SAY THAT TO SAY THIS. 662 00:22:59,745 --> 00:23:05,284 ABOUT A DECADE AGO, MAYBE MORE, 663 00:23:05,417 --> 00:23:10,656 WEST COUNTY MALL IN DES PERES 664 00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:15,027 GOT A TIFF AND I WENT CRAZY, BUT 665 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,762 IT SAVED THE MALL AND THEY PAY 666 00:23:16,896 --> 00:23:17,296 MORE TAXES. 667 00:23:17,429 --> 00:23:18,797 SO IT DOES WORK, BUT -- 668 00:23:18,931 --> 00:23:20,599 >> WASN'T IT SORT OF FASCINATING 669 00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:22,368 THAT THIS WEEK, THAT STORY 670 00:23:22,501 --> 00:23:28,107 APPEARED AT THE SAME TIME THAT 671 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,409 ALDERMANIC PRESIDENT LEWIS REED 672 00:23:30,542 --> 00:23:32,544 WAS PROPOSING A BANK. 673 00:23:32,678 --> 00:23:34,013 I MEAN AN ACTUAL ST. LOUIS BANK 674 00:23:34,146 --> 00:23:36,582 AND EXPERTS FROM AROUND THE 675 00:23:36,715 --> 00:23:37,917 COUNTRY HAVE SAID THAT THAT IDEA 676 00:23:38,050 --> 00:23:40,052 IS FRAUGHT WITH PERIL AND THEN 677 00:23:40,185 --> 00:23:41,687 YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, A 678 00:23:41,820 --> 00:23:43,822 $13 MILLION DISCREPANCY AND YOU 679 00:23:43,956 --> 00:23:44,657 WONDER WHAT WOULD POSSIBLY GO 680 00:23:44,790 --> 00:23:46,292 WRONG WITH A BANK. 681 00:23:46,425 --> 00:23:48,027 >> WE COULD ASK THE MAYOR, BUT I 682 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:48,761 DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE'S AT. 683 00:23:48,894 --> 00:23:50,629 >> WELL, SHE WAS IN THE 684 00:23:50,763 --> 00:23:51,263 ST. PATRICK'S DAY PARADE. 685 00:23:51,397 --> 00:23:52,898 >> OKAY, WE GOT OUR PRIORITIES 686 00:23:53,032 --> 00:23:53,933 TOGETHER, DON'T WE. 687 00:23:54,066 --> 00:23:55,234 >> IT DEPENDS. 688 00:23:55,367 --> 00:23:56,568 THE ROOSEVELT INSTITUTE -- I 689 00:23:56,702 --> 00:23:58,437 HADN'T HEARD ABOUT THIS CONCEPT. 690 00:23:58,570 --> 00:23:59,939 I THINK ROOSEVELT INSTITUTE, 691 00:24:00,072 --> 00:24:01,540 SOME OTHERS HAVE STUDIED THIS 692 00:24:01,674 --> 00:24:02,341 NATIONALLY AND IT'S NOT 693 00:24:02,474 --> 00:24:03,809 SOMETHING WE SHOULD REJECT OUT 694 00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:05,311 OF HAND, I DON'T THINK. 695 00:24:05,444 --> 00:24:06,645 LOOK, DO I THINK ST. LOUIS IS 696 00:24:06,779 --> 00:24:07,613 GOING TO HAVE A MUNICIPAL BANK 697 00:24:07,746 --> 00:24:08,814 AS AN ALTERNATIVE? 698 00:24:08,948 --> 00:24:11,850 NO, BUT THERE'S SOME ARGUMENTS 699 00:24:11,984 --> 00:24:12,985 THAT SAY THAT WHEN CITIES USE 700 00:24:13,118 --> 00:24:15,421 ALL THE BONDING THEY DO, WHICH 701 00:24:15,554 --> 00:24:16,488 REALLY BENEFITS WEALTHY FOLKS 702 00:24:16,622 --> 00:24:18,958 WHO BUY THE BONDS, THAT THERE'S 703 00:24:19,091 --> 00:24:21,760 AT LEAST SOME STUDY THAT IS NOT 704 00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:24,163 UNREASONABLE TO LOOK AT THE 705 00:24:24,296 --> 00:24:25,164 POSSIBILITY OF ALTERNATIVES TO 706 00:24:25,297 --> 00:24:30,235 THE STRUCTURE WE HAVE NOW. 707 00:24:30,369 --> 00:24:31,770 I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, 708 00:24:31,904 --> 00:24:33,138 BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SAY 709 00:24:33,272 --> 00:24:34,940 COMPLETELY NO WAY NO HOW. 710 00:24:35,074 --> 00:24:37,476 >> AT LEAST IT'S OUT OF THE BOX 711 00:24:37,609 --> 00:24:38,210 THINKING, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, 712 00:24:38,344 --> 00:24:41,714 IT'S LIKE A JOKE, WHAT COULD GO 713 00:24:41,847 --> 00:24:42,014 WRONG? 714 00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:43,749 AN ALDERMAN WITH AN ABANDONING. 715 00:24:43,882 --> 00:24:45,551 >> YOU AND I TRYING -- WITH A 716 00:24:45,684 --> 00:24:45,851 BANK. 717 00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:47,386 >> YOU AND I TRYING TO OPEN A 718 00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:49,288 STORE, CONSULTING FIRM, OH, COME 719 00:24:49,421 --> 00:24:53,392 ON, BUT MEANWHILE, SOME OF THE 720 00:24:53,525 --> 00:24:57,096 PLAYAS, THE POWERS THAT BE, THE 721 00:24:57,229 --> 00:25:00,332 PEOPLE WHO HELPED THE MAYOR GET 722 00:25:00,466 --> 00:25:01,934 ELECTED, THEY CAN ALONG LIKE 723 00:25:02,067 --> 00:25:02,301 SATURN 5. 724 00:25:02,434 --> 00:25:04,603 >> WELL, INNOT LIKE THEY MAKE 725 00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:06,372 OUT LIKE BANDITS NOW. 726 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:07,606 >> WE ALREADY HAVE QUITE A FEW 727 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:07,940 BANKS. 728 00:25:08,073 --> 00:25:08,941 >> I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD RULE 729 00:25:09,074 --> 00:25:10,709 IT OUT WOULD GO KNOWING MORE. 730 00:25:10,843 --> 00:25:18,584 >> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT VANS 731 00:25:18,717 --> 00:25:20,552 OUT OF LAWRENCE, KANSAS, WERE 732 00:25:20,686 --> 00:25:22,321 ROBBED WHEN THE STUDENTS WHO 733 00:25:22,454 --> 00:25:23,756 TRAVELED HERE ON A FIELD TRIP 734 00:25:23,889 --> 00:25:25,324 WERE INSIDE THE CITY MUSEUM. 735 00:25:25,457 --> 00:25:28,027 SO WHEN THE STUDENTS FROM 736 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,331 LAWRENCE VENS BACK TO THEIR VANS 737 00:25:32,464 --> 00:25:33,699 IN DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS, THEIR 738 00:25:33,832 --> 00:25:38,037 STUFF WAS STOLEN. 739 00:25:38,170 --> 00:25:39,471 IS THERE ANY SOLUTION TO CARS 740 00:25:39,605 --> 00:25:41,940 AND VANS OF STUDENTS AND 741 00:25:42,074 --> 00:25:43,976 TOURISTS AND ROCK BANDS BEING 742 00:25:44,109 --> 00:25:44,476 BROKEN INTO? 743 00:25:44,610 --> 00:25:47,513 >> I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED ROCK 744 00:25:47,646 --> 00:25:48,680 BANDS, THERE'S A WATCH OUT 745 00:25:48,814 --> 00:25:50,315 THERE, WHEN YOU GO TO ST. LOUIS, 746 00:25:50,449 --> 00:25:52,051 LUG ALL YOUR EQUIPMENT TO YOUR 747 00:25:52,184 --> 00:25:53,952 HOTEL ROOMS EVERY NIGHT, NO 748 00:25:54,086 --> 00:25:55,020 MATTER HOW LONG YOU'RE THERE, DO 749 00:25:55,154 --> 00:25:57,189 NOT LEAVE IT IN YOUR CAR, IT 750 00:25:57,322 --> 00:25:58,190 WILL GET ROBBED. 751 00:25:58,323 --> 00:25:59,892 ANYTHING THIS CLOSE PROXIMITY TO 752 00:26:00,025 --> 00:26:02,694 THE MUSEUMS, FOREST PARK, 753 00:26:02,828 --> 00:26:04,463 ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THE STREETS 754 00:26:04,596 --> 00:26:12,604 NEED TO BE PA TROLETZ, THIS IS 755 00:26:12,738 --> 00:26:13,038 EMBARRASSING. 756 00:26:13,172 --> 00:26:15,040 THIS IS WHY PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO 757 00:26:15,174 --> 00:26:15,741 MOVE HERE. 758 00:26:15,874 --> 00:26:17,943 I UNDERSTAND, CRIME RATE, 759 00:26:18,077 --> 00:26:19,078 MURDER, OUT OF CONTROL AND THAT 760 00:26:19,211 --> 00:26:20,712 NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT THESE 761 00:26:20,846 --> 00:26:23,582 LITTLE PETTILY CRIMES, IT JUST 762 00:26:23,715 --> 00:26:25,517 ME -- PETTY CRIMES, IT JUST 763 00:26:25,651 --> 00:26:26,085 NEEDS TO STOP. 764 00:26:26,218 --> 00:26:27,152 >> I WOULD HAVE THE CHIEF OF 765 00:26:27,286 --> 00:26:28,654 POLICE GO TO THE PARKING LOTS 766 00:26:28,787 --> 00:26:30,289 AROUND THE CITY MUSEUM BECAUSE 767 00:26:30,422 --> 00:26:31,690 THIS IS A FRONT PAGE STORY ON A 768 00:26:31,824 --> 00:26:32,925 SUNDAY A YEAR AGO ABOUT ALL 769 00:26:33,058 --> 00:26:34,460 THESE PLACES AND THE PEOPLE 770 00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:35,294 THINK THEY'RE SAFE BECAUSE 771 00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:36,995 THEY'RE GOING TO A PARKING LOT 772 00:26:37,129 --> 00:26:38,497 AND THERE'S NO SECURITY THERE 773 00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:42,301 AND THE CAR GETS BROKEN TO. 774 00:26:42,434 --> 00:26:43,969 I'D HAVE THE CHIEF GO TO THE LOT 775 00:26:44,103 --> 00:26:45,604 AND SAY I NEED SOME HELP. 776 00:26:45,737 --> 00:26:47,673 I NEED YOU TO HAVE A SECURITY 777 00:26:47,806 --> 00:26:49,408 GUARD OUT HERE ALL THE TIME AND 778 00:26:49,541 --> 00:26:52,578 IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HIRE A $12 779 00:26:52,711 --> 00:26:53,946 AN HOUR GUARD, YOU BETTER GET A 780 00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:55,013 GOOD ACCOUNTANT BECAUSE THIS IS 781 00:26:55,147 --> 00:26:56,381 A CASH BUSINESS AND WE'RE GOING 782 00:26:56,515 --> 00:26:57,583 TO SUBPOENA YOUR RECORDS AND 783 00:26:57,716 --> 00:26:58,784 TAKE A LOOK AT THEM. 784 00:26:58,917 --> 00:27:01,019 I'M GOING TO SET AN EXAMPLE OF 785 00:27:01,153 --> 00:27:02,154 SOMEBODY WHO WON'T COOPERATE 786 00:27:02,287 --> 00:27:03,889 WITH ME AND HAVE THOSE LOTS -- 787 00:27:04,022 --> 00:27:05,157 JUST HAVE A GUY STANDING OUT ON 788 00:27:05,290 --> 00:27:06,792 THE LOTS TO PREVENT THIS. 789 00:27:06,925 --> 00:27:07,359 THIS IS RIDICULOUS. 790 00:27:07,493 --> 00:27:08,594 >> HOW ABOUT LIGHTING? 791 00:27:08,727 --> 00:27:09,795 THIS COULD HAVE BEEN IN BROAD 792 00:27:09,928 --> 00:27:10,629 DAYLIGHT, BUT STILL -- 793 00:27:10,762 --> 00:27:11,430 >> IT WAS. 794 00:27:11,563 --> 00:27:12,898 >> RIGHT, RIGHT, SURE. 795 00:27:13,031 --> 00:27:14,533 >> BROAD DAYLIGHT. 796 00:27:14,666 --> 00:27:16,068 >> BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE ADEQUATE 797 00:27:16,201 --> 00:27:17,436 LIGHTING ON SOME OF THESE 798 00:27:17,569 --> 00:27:19,304 PARKING LOTS THAT DON'T HAVE 799 00:27:19,438 --> 00:27:19,638 GUARDS. 800 00:27:19,771 --> 00:27:21,940 IF YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A GUARD, 801 00:27:22,074 --> 00:27:23,208 SHOULDN'T YOU HAVE IT WELL 802 00:27:23,342 --> 00:27:23,542 LIGHTED? 803 00:27:23,675 --> 00:27:25,911 >> AS THE ONE WHO DOESN'T THINK 804 00:27:26,044 --> 00:27:28,247 THAT POPULATION NUMBERS ARE THAT 805 00:27:28,380 --> 00:27:30,282 HUGE A DEAL, THIS IS. 806 00:27:30,415 --> 00:27:32,718 THIS -- STORIES LIKE THIS ARE 807 00:27:32,851 --> 00:27:33,552 DEVASTATING, AND WHATEVER ARE 808 00:27:33,685 --> 00:27:35,420 THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO 809 00:27:35,554 --> 00:27:36,355 LIVE IN THE REGION, WHICH IS 810 00:27:36,488 --> 00:27:39,091 PRETTY MUCH OUT OF OUR CONTROL, 811 00:27:39,224 --> 00:27:40,392 REALLY, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE 812 00:27:40,526 --> 00:27:43,762 ONES WHO LIVE HERE HAVE A GOOD 813 00:27:43,896 --> 00:27:45,364 QUALITY OF LIFE AND PARTICULARLY 814 00:27:45,497 --> 00:27:47,833 TOURISM IS STILL A VERY 815 00:27:47,966 --> 00:27:49,101 IMPORTANT INDUSTRY TO OUR 816 00:27:49,234 --> 00:27:50,569 ECONOMY, AND THIS IS NOT BAD, 817 00:27:50,702 --> 00:27:51,503 IT'S DEVASTATING. 818 00:27:51,637 --> 00:27:52,738 WHEN YOU HAVE STORIES LIKE THIS 819 00:27:52,871 --> 00:27:56,775 THAT PEOPLE CAN RELATE TO, 820 00:27:56,909 --> 00:27:58,377 SOMETIMES A MICRO STORY LIKE 821 00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:00,445 THIS INVOLVING THESE KIDS HAS 822 00:28:00,579 --> 00:28:01,513 MORE OF AN IMPACT ON FOLKS' 823 00:28:01,647 --> 00:28:04,149 APPROACH TO ST. LOUIS THAN THE 824 00:28:04,283 --> 00:28:05,551 MURDER STORIES. 825 00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:07,186 >> BUT THESE ARE TOURISTS AND 826 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:08,353 PEOPLE COMING FROM OUT OF TOWN 827 00:28:08,487 --> 00:28:09,855 TO GO THERE AND THINKING THEY'RE 828 00:28:09,988 --> 00:28:11,723 SAFE AND ALL THE TIME -- 829 00:28:11,857 --> 00:28:13,025 >> IT'S A TERRIBLE THING NRIE 830 00:28:13,158 --> 00:28:14,026 THINK WE NEED TO THROW OURSELVES 831 00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:15,994 AT THE MERCY OF DeWITTS BECAUSE 832 00:28:16,128 --> 00:28:16,995 THEY CERTAINLY HAVE -- THEY HAVE 833 00:28:17,129 --> 00:28:18,730 A LOT OF CLOUT AND THEY COULD 834 00:28:18,864 --> 00:28:19,531 PROBABLY GET THINGS DONE. 835 00:28:19,665 --> 00:28:21,166 >> ALVIN, I WANT TO ASK YOU 836 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:22,501 ABOUT CRIME AND JUSTICE AND THIS 837 00:28:22,634 --> 00:28:24,236 IS -- I THINK HIS NAME IS 838 00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:26,171 ANTHONY PIERCY. 839 00:28:26,305 --> 00:28:28,907 HE WAS THE MISSOURI PATROL 840 00:28:29,041 --> 00:28:30,242 OFFICER WHO WAS EVENTUALLY 841 00:28:30,375 --> 00:28:32,144 CONVICTED, I THINK, OF OPERATING 842 00:28:32,277 --> 00:28:33,946 A BOAT IMPROPERLY WHEN HE WAS 843 00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:35,747 TRANSPORTING A PRISONER WHO FELL 844 00:28:35,881 --> 00:28:36,949 OVERBOARD AND DROWNED. 845 00:28:37,082 --> 00:28:39,451 HE COULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH 846 00:28:39,585 --> 00:28:41,119 INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER. 847 00:28:41,253 --> 00:28:43,555 ANYWAY, HE GOT ABOUT 50 HOURS OF 848 00:28:43,689 --> 00:28:45,424 COMMUNITY SERVICE AFTER THIS 849 00:28:45,557 --> 00:28:47,392 MISSOURI TROOPER ACTED 850 00:28:47,526 --> 00:28:49,027 IMPROPERLY, AND AS IT TURNS OUT, 851 00:28:49,161 --> 00:28:50,195 HE IS SPENDING HIS COMMUNITY 852 00:28:50,329 --> 00:28:53,198 SERVICE WORKING IN THE THEATER, 853 00:28:53,332 --> 00:28:57,002 COMMUNITY THEATER IN VERSAILLES, 854 00:28:57,135 --> 00:28:57,402 MISSOURI. 855 00:28:57,536 --> 00:28:58,337 DO YOU THINK THAT'S PROPER 856 00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:59,071 COMMUNITY SERVICE FOR ANYBODY TO 857 00:28:59,204 --> 00:29:00,672 BE WORKING IN THE THEATER? 858 00:29:00,806 --> 00:29:02,107 >> OKAY, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK 859 00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:03,809 HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL FOR 860 00:29:03,942 --> 00:29:04,643 A LITTLE BIT OF TIME MYSELF. 861 00:29:04,776 --> 00:29:06,845 I HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE 862 00:29:06,979 --> 00:29:07,212 SENTENCE. 863 00:29:07,346 --> 00:29:08,046 BUT COMMUNITY SERVICE IS 864 00:29:08,180 --> 00:29:09,114 COMMUNITY SERVICE. 865 00:29:09,248 --> 00:29:11,216 AND VOLUNTEERISM, WHICH IS WHAT 866 00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:12,517 MANY PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THEIR 867 00:29:12,651 --> 00:29:13,885 COMMUNITIES, IT IS WHAT IT IS. 868 00:29:14,019 --> 00:29:15,120 I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HIS 869 00:29:15,254 --> 00:29:16,455 COMMUNITY SERVICE WORKING IN THE 870 00:29:16,588 --> 00:29:16,922 THEATER. 871 00:29:17,055 --> 00:29:18,123 NOW, I LIKE THEATER. 872 00:29:18,257 --> 00:29:19,791 I WAS INVOLVED IN IT, BUT I'M 873 00:29:19,925 --> 00:29:21,560 NOT -- THAT'S NOT OUT OF LINE TO 874 00:29:21,693 --> 00:29:21,827 ME. 875 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,695 I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DO THEY -- 876 00:29:23,829 --> 00:29:24,730 THEY DON'T SAY WHEN YOU HAVE 877 00:29:24,863 --> 00:29:25,831 COMMUNITY SERVICE THAT YOU HAVE 878 00:29:25,964 --> 00:29:28,367 TO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, PICK UP 879 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:30,202 TRASH IN THE RAIN OR THE SNOW. 880 00:29:30,335 --> 00:29:31,370 IT'S KIND OF -- YOU KNOW, YOU 881 00:29:31,503 --> 00:29:33,138 GOT TO DO COMMUNITY SERVICE AND 882 00:29:33,272 --> 00:29:34,206 HE'S DOING HIS COMMUNITY 883 00:29:34,339 --> 00:29:34,539 SERVICE. 884 00:29:34,673 --> 00:29:36,074 I'M NOT MAD AT HIM. 885 00:29:36,208 --> 00:29:37,009 >> ANYBODY ELSE? 886 00:29:37,142 --> 00:29:38,410 >> THIS GUY NEEDS TO LEAVE AND 887 00:29:38,543 --> 00:29:39,344 JUST INTO AWAY. 888 00:29:39,478 --> 00:29:41,713 IT WAS SUCH AN AWFUL INJUSTICE. 889 00:29:41,847 --> 00:29:45,417 NOW, THE FOLKS IN IOWA WHO ARE 890 00:29:45,550 --> 00:29:48,020 JUST SO -- CONTINUE MADABLY TO 891 00:29:48,153 --> 00:29:49,988 BE APPALLED AT -- UNDERSTANDABLY 892 00:29:50,122 --> 00:29:51,523 TO BE APPALL AT WHAT HAPPENED TO 893 00:29:51,657 --> 00:29:53,125 THEIR SON, THEY GOT LIKE A 894 00:29:53,258 --> 00:29:56,228 NINE MILLION SETTLEMENT, BUT THE 895 00:29:56,361 --> 00:29:58,063 FACT THAT THIS GUY GOT A LITTLE 896 00:29:58,196 --> 00:30:00,332 SHOCK TIME AND HE DID PLEAD TO 897 00:30:00,465 --> 00:30:02,434 INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER OR 898 00:30:02,567 --> 00:30:04,036 SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S SUCH A 899 00:30:04,169 --> 00:30:06,138 OUS RAGE GUSLY AWFUL SENTENCE 900 00:30:06,271 --> 00:30:07,873 THAT THIS MAKES IT WORSE. 901 00:30:08,006 --> 00:30:09,541 >> WHEN YOU'RE IN A BOAT, YOU 902 00:30:09,675 --> 00:30:11,777 GOT TO HOLD ON AND TO PUT A KID 903 00:30:11,910 --> 00:30:14,046 IN HANDCUFFS AND BE RACING ALONG 904 00:30:14,179 --> 00:30:15,247 AT ALMOST 50 MILES PER HOUR, 905 00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:17,949 PROBABLY TRYING TO GET HIM IN SO 906 00:30:18,083 --> 00:30:19,584 CO, YOU KNOW, GET HIM BLOOD 907 00:30:19,718 --> 00:30:21,920 TESTED BEFORE HE SOBERED UP. 908 00:30:22,054 --> 00:30:23,055 >> AND HE WAS HIRED AGAIN -- 909 00:30:23,188 --> 00:30:25,223 >> BUT THE FACT THAT HE WAS 910 00:30:25,357 --> 00:30:26,925 SUING THE HIGHWAY PATROL TO GET 911 00:30:27,059 --> 00:30:28,460 HIS JOB BACK, THAT'S WHAT I 912 00:30:28,593 --> 00:30:29,361 THINK IS HORRIBLE. 913 00:30:29,494 --> 00:30:30,662 >> LET'S SEE WHAT FOLKS HAD TO 914 00:30:30,796 --> 00:30:32,397 SAY ABOUT LAST WEEK'S PROGRAM BY 915 00:30:32,531 --> 00:30:35,434 VISITING THE OLD MAIL BAG. 916 00:30:35,567 --> 00:30:38,470 REGARDING THE 3:00 A.M. ARREST 917 00:30:38,603 --> 00:30:40,906 OF MIZZOU BASKETBALL PLAYER, AT 918 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:43,375 FORMER FOOTBALL COACH GARY 919 00:30:43,508 --> 00:30:44,710 PINKLE USED TO SAY, THINGS THAT 920 00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:48,880 HAPPEN AFTER MIDNIGHT ARE RARELY 921 00:30:49,014 --> 00:30:49,181 GOOD. 922 00:30:49,314 --> 00:30:50,382 THAT FROM JOHN OF ILLINOIS. 923 00:30:50,515 --> 00:30:51,817 WE HEARD FROM RAY DUKE OF STL 924 00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:53,318 WHO WROTE, IT'S INTERESTING TO 925 00:30:53,452 --> 00:30:54,586 SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GREAT 926 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,321 CITY OF ST. LOUIS OVER THE PAST 927 00:30:56,455 --> 00:30:57,289 70 YEARS. 928 00:30:57,422 --> 00:30:59,324 POPULATION FROM 800,000 TO 929 00:30:59,458 --> 00:30:59,858 300,000. 930 00:30:59,991 --> 00:31:01,693 ALL OF THAT UNDER CONTINUED 931 00:31:01,827 --> 00:31:02,294 DEMOCRATIC CONTROL. 932 00:31:02,427 --> 00:31:05,564 YOU CAN WRITE US CARE OF KETC, 933 00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:06,264 3655 OLIVE STREET, ST. LOUIS, 934 00:31:06,398 --> 00:31:08,734 MISSOURI 63108. 935 00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:12,204 DON'T FORGET THOSE EMAILS, 936 00:31:12,337 --> 00:31:15,173 LETTERS@KETC.ORG OR THOSE 937 00:31:15,307 --> 00:31:16,508 TWEETS, #DONNYBROOKSTL BECAUSE 938 00:31:16,641 --> 00:31:17,809 ALVIN AND WENDY ARE GOING TO BE 939 00:31:17,943 --> 00:31:19,177 READING THOSE ON YOUR TURN IN A 940 00:31:19,311 --> 00:31:20,278 MATTER OF MOMENTS. 941 00:31:20,412 --> 00:31:21,847 THE REST OF US WILL SEE YOU NEXT 942 00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:22,681 WEEK AT THIS TIME. 943 00:31:22,814 --> 00:31:24,116 THANKS FOR JOINING US, BUT DON'T 944 00:31:24,249 --> 00:31:25,884 GO AWAY. 945 00:31:26,017 --> 00:31:26,918 >> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE 946 00:31:27,052 --> 00:31:27,619 POSSIBLE THROUGH THE GENEROUS 947 00:31:27,753 --> 00:31:30,856 SUPPORT OF THE MEMBERS OF KETC.