WEBVTT 04:06.113 --> 04:06.880 >>> THAT SEEMS FAIR TO ME. 04:07.013 --> 04:07.581 >> FAIRNESS ISN'T THE ISSUE. 04:07.714 --> 04:08.482 >> I DON'T REALLY THINK -- 04:08.615 --> 04:09.616 >> WRONG! 04:09.750 --> 04:10.684 >> WELL, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT 04:10.817 --> 04:12.285 FAIR IS, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT -- 04:12.419 --> 04:16.022 [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] 04:16.156 --> 04:19.159 [ BOING ] 04:19.292 --> 04:22.262 [ SOUNDS OF GLASS BREAKING ] 04:25.198 --> 04:25.799 >> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE 04:25.932 --> 04:26.600 POSSIBLE THROUGH THE GENEROUS 04:26.733 --> 04:31.304 SUPPORT OF THE MEMBERS OF KETC. 04:31.438 --> 04:33.874 HEY, THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR 04:34.007 --> 04:37.544 ANOTHER EDITION OF DONNYBROOK, 04:37.677 --> 04:38.745 THE FIRST FOR THE SPRING, SUCH 04:38.879 --> 04:41.381 AS IT IS, AND WE THANK THE FOLKS 04:41.515 --> 04:42.415 AT THE GATESWORTH FOR MAKING 04:42.549 --> 04:43.717 THIS PROGRAM POSSIBLE AS YOU'VE 04:43.850 --> 04:44.684 BEEN DOING SO LONG. 04:44.818 --> 04:45.385 THANK YOU SO MUCH. 04:45.519 --> 04:48.155 LET'S MEET OUR PANELISTS. 04:48.288 --> 04:49.556 SHE'S THE MEDIA VETERAN HERSELF, 04:49.689 --> 04:50.657 WENDY WIESE. 04:50.791 --> 04:52.959 ALONG WITH MR. BILL McCLELLAN 04:53.093 --> 04:55.295 FROM THE ST. LOUIS 04:55.428 --> 04:55.729 POST-DISPATCH. 04:55.862 --> 04:57.764 FROM ST. LOUIS MAGAZINE, RAY 04:57.898 --> 04:58.198 HARTMANN. 04:58.331 --> 05:01.134 AND FROM STLMAG.COM AND THE 05:01.268 --> 05:02.669 ST. LOUIS AMERICAN, WE SAY HELLO 05:02.803 --> 05:03.370 TO ALVIN REID. 05:03.503 --> 05:05.906 BUT WE KICK THINGS OFF WITH YOU, 05:06.039 --> 05:07.541 MR. ST. LOUIS MAGAZINE, RAY 05:07.674 --> 05:08.542 HARTMANN. 05:08.675 --> 05:10.811 NOW, IT'S YOUR MAGAZINE, 05:10.944 --> 05:11.311 ST. LOUIS. 05:11.444 --> 05:12.612 IS YOUR MAGAZINE GETTING 05:12.746 --> 05:12.946 SMALLER? 05:13.079 --> 05:14.281 BECAUSE THE POPULATION OF THE 05:14.414 --> 05:18.018 CITY OF ST. LOUIS CITY IS ALMOST 05:18.151 --> 05:20.320 300,000 AFTER BEING 850,000 IN 05:20.453 --> 05:21.655 THE EARLY 1950s. 05:21.788 --> 05:23.657 MAYBE MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE 05:23.790 --> 05:24.858 REGION IS REALLY NOT GROWING 05:24.991 --> 05:27.127 THAT MUCH, JUST ADDED ABOUT 500 05:27.260 --> 05:29.129 PEOPLE IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. 05:29.262 --> 05:30.931 THE COUNTY LOST SOME POPULATION, 05:31.064 --> 05:33.466 AND WE ARE NOT REALLY KEEPING UP 05:33.600 --> 05:34.501 WITH OTHER MIDWESTERN CITIES ARE 05:34.634 --> 05:36.269 A THE NATION AS A WHOLE IN TERMS 05:36.403 --> 05:37.838 OF GROWING POPULATION. 05:37.971 --> 05:39.372 YOU THINK THIS IS A BIG ISSUE. 05:39.506 --> 05:40.240 >> NOT REALLY. 05:40.373 --> 05:41.041 IT'S NOT NEWS. 05:41.174 --> 05:43.543 I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY MUCH OUR 05:43.677 --> 05:43.877 REALITY. 05:44.010 --> 05:45.378 WE KNOW WE'RE SORT OF IN A 05:45.512 --> 05:48.748 STAGNANT POPULATION DEAL. 05:48.882 --> 05:52.252 THE BIG NEWS AS WE PRESENTEDED 05:52.385 --> 05:54.087 IT IS WE WERE PASSED BY 05:54.221 --> 05:55.655 BALTIMORE AS A METROPOLITAN 05:55.789 --> 05:55.956 AREA. 05:56.089 --> 05:57.757 I WENT TO THE BALTIMORE SUN 05:57.891 --> 05:59.226 WEBSITE TO SEE HOW MUCH THEY'RE 05:59.359 --> 06:03.864 CELEBRATING AND THEIR STORY IS 06:03.997 --> 06:04.598 BALTIMORE POPULATION CONTINUES 06:04.731 --> 06:05.899 STEEP DECLINE AND IT'S THE SAME 06:06.032 --> 06:06.800 STORY IN ST. LOUIS. 06:06.933 --> 06:08.969 THE CITY POPULATION, WHICH 06:09.102 --> 06:10.470 ADMITTED MORE IS LIKE 610 06:10.604 --> 06:12.272 INSTEAD 3600, BUT THEY HAVE THE 06:12.405 --> 06:14.574 SAME -- 300, BUT THEY HAVE THE 06:14.708 --> 06:16.443 SAME THING, DOWN 9,000. 06:16.576 --> 06:18.111 THEY DIDN'T EVEN MENTION PASSING 06:18.245 --> 06:19.679 US AS A METROPOLITAN AREA. 06:19.813 --> 06:21.715 AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT AN 06:21.848 --> 06:22.482 APOLOGIST FOR IT. 06:22.616 --> 06:24.184 OUR REALITY IS WE HAVE TO FOCUS 06:24.317 --> 06:26.119 ON QUALITY OF LIFE AND 06:26.253 --> 06:27.554 REGIONALISM BECAUSE ONE OF THE 06:27.687 --> 06:28.355 POINTS WAS ST. CHARLES COUNTY 06:28.488 --> 06:29.890 CONTINUES TO GROW. 06:30.023 --> 06:31.825 I THOUGHT THE PERSON IN 06:31.958 --> 06:34.261 ST. CHARLES, O'FALLON HAD A NICE 06:34.394 --> 06:35.695 THING TO SAY, SHE ACTUALLY WENT 06:35.829 --> 06:37.197 OUT OF HER WAY TO SAY, WHOEVER 06:37.330 --> 06:38.598 WAS QUOTED THAT, WE REALIZE 06:38.732 --> 06:39.900 WE'RE TIED INTO THE ST. LOUIS 06:40.033 --> 06:40.200 AREA. 06:40.333 --> 06:41.635 I ALWAYS SAY THAT PEOPLE IN 06:41.768 --> 06:42.936 ST. CHARLES ARE AS MUCH A PART 06:43.069 --> 06:44.471 OF ST. LOUIS AS ST. LOUIS IS. 06:44.604 --> 06:46.273 WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON REGIONALISM, 06:46.406 --> 06:47.641 QUALITY OF LIFE, AND STOP 06:47.774 --> 06:48.408 WRINGING OUR HANDS. 06:48.541 --> 06:50.343 >> I THINK KIND OF A BIG DEAL. 06:50.477 --> 06:52.078 A COUPLE THINGS, GOING TO THAT 06:52.212 --> 06:52.445 QUOTE. 06:52.579 --> 06:53.947 SHE STARTED OFF WITH WE'RE A 06:54.080 --> 06:55.482 PLACE WHERE YOUR KIDS WITH PLAY 06:55.615 --> 06:56.950 IN THE FRONT YARD AND THEY'RE 06:57.083 --> 06:58.118 SAFE AND THE NEIGHBORS WATCH OUT 06:58.251 --> 06:59.853 FOR THEM, LIKE ALL THE REST OF 06:59.986 --> 07:02.422 THE REGION IS LIKE ALCATRAZ. 07:02.555 --> 07:04.491 >> YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT, 07:04.624 --> 07:06.326 THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 07:06.459 --> 07:07.994 >> SO SHE THREW A LITTLE BISCUIT 07:08.128 --> 07:09.429 OUR THAT I, THANK YOU. 07:09.562 --> 07:10.697 BUT I DUSH OUR WAY, THANK YOU. 07:10.830 --> 07:13.199 I NEED TO KNOW BASICALLY, WHO'S 07:13.333 --> 07:17.604 MOVING OUT OF THE CITY? 07:17.737 --> 07:19.306 IS IT ALL SOUTH SIDERS, IS IT 07:19.439 --> 07:20.307 THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY? 07:20.440 --> 07:23.143 WHERE ARE THEY GOING, WHAT IS 07:23.276 --> 07:23.877 THE AGE? 07:24.010 --> 07:25.478 ARE THE RING SUBURBS, THE OLDER 07:25.612 --> 07:27.380 ONES, ARE THEY LOSING 07:27.514 --> 07:28.281 POPULATION, WHICH I DON'T THINK 07:28.415 --> 07:28.682 SO. 07:28.815 --> 07:29.582 MAYBE WE NEED TO DESIGNATE 07:29.716 --> 07:31.584 EXACTLY WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE 07:31.718 --> 07:33.086 GOING AND WHERE THEY WERE LIVING 07:33.219 --> 07:33.920 BEFOREHAND IN THE CITY OF 07:34.054 --> 07:35.021 ST. LOUIS AND THROUGHOUT THE 07:35.155 --> 07:35.355 REGION. 07:35.488 --> 07:36.756 ONE THING, YOU MENTIONED 07:36.890 --> 07:38.491 BALTIMORE, BUT HEY, FOR ALL OF 07:38.625 --> 07:40.694 SOME OF THESE PLACES' PROBLEMS, 07:40.827 --> 07:42.095 DETROIT, SOMEHOW OR THE OTHER 07:42.228 --> 07:42.896 THEY'RE HANGING ON. 07:43.029 --> 07:44.331 LIKE DETROIT IS STILL A TOP TEN 07:44.464 --> 07:47.067 AND YOU MIGHT SAY THAT, HEY, YOU 07:47.200 --> 07:49.169 KNOW THEY WERE BIGGER THAN US TO 07:49.302 --> 07:50.337 BEGIN WITH, BUT THEIR LOSS IS 07:50.470 --> 07:51.204 NOT AS BIG. 07:51.338 --> 07:52.806 BUT DETROIT AND SOME PLACES LIKE 07:52.939 --> 07:54.307 THAT MADE SOME BIG DECISIONS. 07:54.441 --> 07:56.743 THEY SAID, LISTEN, WE'RE RAZING 07:56.876 --> 07:58.578 SOME OF THIS STUFF, WE'RE 07:58.712 --> 08:00.213 STARTING OVER AND I KNOW IT'S 08:00.347 --> 08:01.414 PAINFUL, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO 08:01.548 --> 08:04.751 CONSIDER THAT, BUT ST. LOUIS 08:04.884 --> 08:06.953 NEED TO BUST OUT OF THIS BOX. 08:07.087 --> 08:08.722 >> DO YOU THINK IT'S A 08:08.855 --> 08:10.323 COINCIDENCE THAT BALTIMORE HAD 08:10.457 --> 08:14.561 HAD ITS SHARE OF RACIAL STRIFE 08:14.694 --> 08:16.162 IN THE SAME WAY THAT ST. LOUIS 08:16.296 --> 08:16.496 HAS. 08:16.629 --> 08:18.298 THEY HAD FREDDIE GRAY, WE HAD 08:18.431 --> 08:19.432 MICHAEL BROWN. 08:19.566 --> 08:20.066 DO YOU THINK THERE'S A 08:20.200 --> 08:21.668 CONNECTION THERE, THAT 08:21.801 --> 08:23.003 COMMUNITIES ARE MAYBE FAILING 08:23.136 --> 08:23.803 BECAUSE OPPORTUNITIES AREN'T 08:23.937 --> 08:25.972 BEING PURSUED HERE WHEN IT COMES 08:26.106 --> 08:28.074 TO COMPANIES, EVEN SMALLER 08:28.208 --> 08:29.476 COMPANIES BECAUSE OF THAT -- I 08:29.609 --> 08:30.744 MEAN, I HAVE NO IDEA IF THAT'S 08:30.877 --> 08:31.144 PART OF IT. 08:31.277 --> 08:34.447 >> WELL, THE BIGGEST GROWTH ALSO 08:34.581 --> 08:35.515 THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES WAS 08:35.648 --> 08:37.517 PLACES THAT WERE WELCOMING TO 08:37.650 --> 08:38.918 IMMIGRANTS, BOTH DOMESTIC AND 08:39.052 --> 08:41.388 FOREIGN, AND ARE WE THERE? 08:41.521 --> 08:43.423 >> I THINK WE ACTUALLY ARE IN 08:43.556 --> 08:45.425 THE CITY, BUT I THINK TO THE 08:45.558 --> 08:46.459 POINT, THE GRASS IS GREENER ON 08:46.593 --> 08:48.361 THE OTHER SIDE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT 08:48.495 --> 08:49.796 BALTIMORE, I MEAN, IS VERY 08:49.929 --> 08:51.297 COMPARABLE AND THE FACT THAT 08:51.431 --> 08:53.133 BALTIMORE CITY LIMITS IS 600 AND 08:53.266 --> 08:54.768 OURS IS 300 IS REALLY A FUNCTION 08:54.901 --> 08:56.836 ONLY OF HOW WE FROZE OUR CITY 08:56.970 --> 09:00.006 LIMITS IN THE 1870s BECAUSE MOST 09:00.140 --> 09:01.441 CITIES REALLY DO INCLUDE THE 09:01.574 --> 09:04.110 MAPLE WOODS AND U-CITIES AND 09:04.244 --> 09:05.178 CLAYTONS, PART OF THEIR -- 09:05.311 --> 09:07.514 >> BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE REGION. 09:07.647 --> 09:08.681 >> THE REGION IS NOT GROWING. 09:08.815 --> 09:09.682 >> AND THAT'S PART OF THE -- 09:09.816 --> 09:11.584 >> I THINK OUR GEOGRAPHY -- 09:11.718 --> 09:14.621 >> BILL IS RIGHT, WE HAVE AN 09:14.754 --> 09:16.456 OLDER POPULATION, GENERALLY N 09:16.589 --> 09:19.659 ST. LOUIS, AND A LOT OF RETIREES 09:19.793 --> 09:23.296 ARE MOVING TO FLORIDA OR TO 09:23.430 --> 09:27.634 PLACES LIKE IDAHO, LELAND COUNTY 09:27.767 --> 09:29.369 MICHIGAN HAD AN EXPLOSION, 09:29.502 --> 09:30.603 PLACES IN -- JACKSON, WYOMING, 09:30.737 --> 09:32.539 HAS AN EXPLOSION AND THEN 10,000 09:32.672 --> 09:33.640 BABY BOOMERS ARE RETIRING EVERY 09:33.773 --> 09:35.108 DAY, MANY OF THEM GO INTO 09:35.241 --> 09:36.176 RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES, WE'RE 09:36.309 --> 09:37.577 NOT A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY AND 09:37.710 --> 09:39.245 WITH AN OLDER POPULATION BASE, 09:39.379 --> 09:40.780 ST. LOUIS IS GOING TO LOSE A LOT 09:40.914 --> 09:42.415 OF RETIREES. 09:42.549 --> 09:46.019 >> THE ONLY GOOD SIDE, YOU KNOW, 09:46.152 --> 09:47.720 THE OLDER PEOPLE, WE WANT 09:47.854 --> 09:48.188 SUNSHINE. 09:48.321 --> 09:53.993 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FLORIDA. 09:54.127 --> 09:55.428 LELANDAU, MICHIGAN, IS A LITTLE 09:55.562 --> 09:56.696 DIFFERENT, IT'S A RESORT PLACE, 09:56.830 --> 09:58.331 BUT AT LEAST THE COST OF LIVING 09:58.465 --> 10:00.900 HERE IS SO CHEAP, THAT'S A HUGE 10:01.034 --> 10:01.301 INDUCEMENT. 10:01.434 --> 10:02.836 LIKE YOU TALK ABOUT LACK OF 10:02.969 --> 10:03.536 IMMIGRATION POPULATION. 10:03.670 --> 10:05.271 WHEN THE WORD GETS OUT TO SOME 10:05.405 --> 10:07.173 OF THESE IMMIGRANTS ABOUT HOW 10:07.307 --> 10:09.109 CHEAPLY THEY CAN LIVE HERE WHEN 10:09.242 --> 10:11.511 THEY'RE GOING TO CALIFORNIA AND 10:11.644 --> 10:12.545 CHICAGO, YOU KNOW, IF WE 10:12.679 --> 10:14.948 MARKETED THAT A LITTLE MORE -- 10:15.081 --> 10:16.382 >> RIGHT, AND THAT WAS THE POINT 10:16.516 --> 10:17.784 YOU MADE IN YOUR COLUMN, THE 10:17.917 --> 10:18.985 FACT THAT YOU CAN GET EVERYWHERE 10:19.119 --> 10:21.020 IN 15 TO 20 MINUTES. 10:21.154 --> 10:22.388 THERE ARE NEVER ANY LINES AT THE 10:22.522 --> 10:24.524 GROCERY STORE, BUT CALIFORNIA IS 10:24.657 --> 10:25.592 LOSING A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE 10:25.725 --> 10:26.860 AS WELL. 10:26.993 --> 10:29.529 >> I JUST DON'T THINK -- I JUST 10:29.662 --> 10:31.731 DON'T THINK POPULATION GROWTH IS 10:31.865 --> 10:33.900 THAT IMPORTANT A STATISTIC. 10:34.033 --> 10:35.535 WE'RE NOT -- WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 10:35.668 --> 10:36.736 REALITIES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH 10:36.870 --> 10:40.440 OUR GEOGRAPHY, OUR CLIMATE. 10:40.573 --> 10:42.108 AS BILL ALWAYS POINTS OUT, THE 10:42.242 --> 10:43.676 LACK OF MARIJUANA BEING 10:43.810 --> 10:44.744 LEGALIZED HERE FOR THE BOOMERS, 10:44.878 --> 10:46.346 OR WHATEVER, BUT THE POINT IS, 10:46.479 --> 10:51.251 THERE'S A LOT OF DEMOGRAPHIC AND 10:51.384 --> 10:52.352 GEOGRAPHIC EFFECT AND HOW YOU'RE 10:52.485 --> 10:54.621 GROWING IS NOT A MEASURE OF 10:54.754 --> 10:56.322 WHETHER YOU'RE A GOOD MACE TO 10:56.456 --> 10:56.623 LIVE. 10:56.756 --> 10:58.358 >> I THINK IT IS, RAY, BECAUSE 10:58.491 --> 10:59.192 PEOPLE HAVE A DECISION WHERE 10:59.325 --> 11:00.793 THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE TO. 11:00.927 --> 11:01.928 ESPECIALLY LIKE 22-YEAR-OLDS 11:02.061 --> 11:03.196 GETTING OUT OF COLLEGE AND 11:03.329 --> 11:05.098 THEY'RE GOING TO PLACES LIKE 11:05.231 --> 11:05.832 AUSTIN AND COLORADO. 11:05.965 --> 11:07.300 >> THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE. 11:07.433 --> 11:09.202 >> WHEN YOU DON'T GROW, YOU'VE 11:09.335 --> 11:10.370 FEWER PEOPLE BUYING EVERYTHING 11:10.503 --> 11:12.105 FROM PIZZAS TO SUBSCRIPTIONS TO 11:12.238 --> 11:13.039 ST. LOUIS MAGAZINE AND LISTENING 11:13.173 --> 11:13.540 TO THE RADIO. 11:13.673 --> 11:14.874 >> AND HOUSES. 11:15.008 --> 11:16.743 >> SO YOU CAN'T GROW BUSINESS IF 11:16.876 --> 11:18.077 YOUR POPULATION IS STAGNANT. 11:18.211 --> 11:19.112 >> AND GO TO KANSAS CITY. 11:19.245 --> 11:21.614 IF PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT 11:21.748 --> 11:22.982 HAS HAPPENED WHEN WE WERE 11:23.116 --> 11:24.150 GROWING UP AND LOOKING AT KANSAS 11:24.284 --> 11:25.618 CITY LIKE IT WAS SOME SORT OF 11:25.752 --> 11:27.120 COW TOWN, THEY'VE BEEN 11:27.253 --> 11:30.390 INCREDIBLY BUSY OVER THE LAST 11:30.523 --> 11:31.391 30, 40 YEARS DOING EVERYTHING 11:31.524 --> 11:33.593 RIGHT APPARENTLY, STARTING WITH 11:33.726 --> 11:33.960 DOWNTOWN. 11:34.093 --> 11:35.195 >> WE HAD NO PROBLEM INSULTING 11:35.328 --> 11:35.595 KANSAS CITY. 11:35.728 --> 11:37.430 I AM SO GLAD I DO NOT GO TO 11:37.564 --> 11:39.499 COLLEGE AT THE UNIVERSE OF 11:39.632 --> 11:41.467 KANSAS NOW BECAUSE I'VE HAVE TO 11:41.601 --> 11:43.036 SIT THERE WITH MY MOUTH SHUT AND 11:43.169 --> 11:45.205 WE NEED TO SHAKE IT UP. 11:45.338 --> 11:46.706 I MEAN, YOUNG PEOPLE DON'T CARE 11:46.839 --> 11:48.474 ABOUT THE SNOW AND ANY OF THAT. 11:48.608 --> 11:49.375 >> THEY WANT TO HAVE FUN. 11:49.509 --> 11:50.743 >> THEY WANT TO LIVE SOME PLACE 11:50.877 --> 11:52.679 THAT IS FUN AND WE ARE NOT FUN. 11:52.812 --> 11:54.314 WE NEED TO SHAKE THIS THING UP. 11:54.447 --> 11:55.682 >> I THINK WE HAVE FUN. 11:55.815 --> 12:01.354 >> AS LONG AS WE'RE MAKING A 12:01.487 --> 12:02.755 TO-DO LIST, THERE IS ANYTHING 12:02.889 --> 12:04.724 THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THE SHED AT 12:04.857 --> 12:05.558 UNION STATION? 12:05.692 --> 12:07.727 HAS ANYBODY ELSE NOTICED THAT? 12:07.860 --> 12:10.063 >> MY DAUGHTER STILL USES THE 12:10.196 --> 12:11.397 MODULAR, WHATEVER, THE TRAIN 12:11.531 --> 12:11.764 STATION. 12:11.898 --> 12:13.933 >> OVER THE TRAIN STATION, IT IS 12:14.067 --> 12:15.268 RUSTED OUT. 12:15.401 --> 12:15.969 IT LOOKS LIKE -- 12:16.102 --> 12:17.770 >> MOST OF UNION STATION IS 12:17.904 --> 12:19.239 BEING REINVENTED. 12:19.372 --> 12:20.940 >> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE TRAIN 12:21.074 --> 12:22.308 STATION IN THE BACK. 12:22.442 --> 12:24.010 >> THAT'S OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IN 12:24.143 --> 12:24.344 THAT -- 12:24.477 --> 12:26.546 >> I THINK ALVIN IS ACTUALLY -- 12:26.679 --> 12:27.614 I THINK HE IS RIGHT ABOUT 12:27.747 --> 12:29.382 BLOWING STUFF UP, CHANGING 12:29.515 --> 12:29.716 THINGS. 12:29.849 --> 12:30.783 I THINK DEALING WITH THE BRAIN 12:30.917 --> 12:32.085 DRAIN OF THE YOUNG KIDS NOT 12:32.218 --> 12:33.186 WANTING TO STAY, THERE'S A LOT 12:33.319 --> 12:34.621 OF THINGS TO DO BETTER. 12:34.754 --> 12:36.389 I'M NOT ARGUING, OH, EVERYTHING 12:36.522 --> 12:37.423 IS SO WONDERFUL. 12:37.557 --> 12:40.693 WHAT I'M SAYING IS FOCUSING ON 12:40.827 --> 12:42.495 THAT STATISTIC AS OPPOSED TO 12:42.629 --> 12:44.998 FOCUSING ON QUALITY OF LIFE, 12:45.131 --> 12:46.232 REGIONALISM AND DOING THINGS TO 12:46.366 --> 12:48.668 MAKE THINGS WORK BETTER HERE IS 12:48.801 --> 12:50.603 MORE IMPORTANT THAN OBSESSING 12:50.737 --> 12:51.304 ABOUT THE NUMBERS. 12:51.437 --> 12:53.006 >> LET'S MOVE TO TO BILL 12:53.139 --> 12:53.373 McCLELLAN. 12:53.506 --> 12:54.907 I WANT TO ASK YOU, BECAUSE 12:55.041 --> 12:56.442 YOU'VE SPENT QUITE A BIT IN 12:56.576 --> 12:58.177 COURTS, I APPRECIATE THAT. 12:58.311 --> 13:00.580 THIS WEEK, JUDGE REX BURLISON, 13:00.713 --> 13:02.382 IN FACT YESTERDAY, DECIDED NOT 13:02.515 --> 13:03.883 TO CHANGE THE TRIAL DATE FOR THE 13:04.017 --> 13:05.351 GOVERNOR EVEN THOUGH THE 13:05.485 --> 13:06.953 GOVERNOR'S LAWYERS ASKED FOR AN 13:07.086 --> 13:08.554 APRIL 2nd TRIAL DATE. 13:08.688 --> 13:10.189 JACK GARVEY, A FORMER JUDGE, 13:10.323 --> 13:13.059 WENT IN FRONT OF REX BURLISON 13:13.192 --> 13:14.594 AND SAID, LOOK, GREITENS HAS 13:14.727 --> 13:16.195 JUST THREE WITNESSES AND I 13:16.329 --> 13:17.897 TALKED TO THEIR CHIEF INSPECTOR, 13:18.031 --> 13:20.166 THEIR ONLY INSPECTOR, WILLIAM 13:20.300 --> 13:21.768 TISABY, AND HE SAYS THEY HAVE NO 13:21.901 --> 13:23.336 PHOTOGRAPHS, NO EVIDENCE OF ANY 13:23.469 --> 13:24.837 TRANSITION OF PHOTOGRAPHS, THEY 13:24.971 --> 13:26.973 DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO HAS A 13:27.106 --> 13:27.707 PHOTOGRAPH, AND JUST WITH THREE 13:27.840 --> 13:29.242 WITNESSES AND NO EVIDENCE, LET'S 13:29.375 --> 13:34.247 GET ON WITH THE TRIAL, BUT THE 13:34.380 --> 13:36.282 JUDGE SAID, NO, WE'RE GOING TO 13:36.416 --> 13:37.684 GO WITH MAY 14th. 13:37.817 --> 13:39.018 AMONG OTHER REASONS, HE DIDN'T 13:39.152 --> 13:40.953 WANT TO BE INFLUENCED BY WHAT 13:41.087 --> 13:42.789 WAS GOING ON IN JEFF CITY AS THE 13:42.922 --> 13:44.624 GOVERNOR'S LAWYERS ARGUED AND 13:44.757 --> 13:45.692 ALSO THE ATTORNEY FOR THE WOMAN 13:45.825 --> 13:47.393 INVOLVED CLAIMED SHE WAS A 13:47.527 --> 13:48.761 FULL-TIME STUDENT, FULL-TIME 13:48.895 --> 13:50.763 WORKER AND MOTHER, AND SHE HAD 13:50.897 --> 13:52.031 REARRANGED HER SCHEDULE ALREADY 13:52.165 --> 13:54.200 FOR A MAY 14th DATE. 13:54.334 --> 13:55.101 OVERALL, DO YOU THINK JUSTICE 13:55.234 --> 13:56.769 WAS SERVE BY KEEPING THE MAY 13:56.903 --> 13:57.503 14th TRIAL DATE? 13:57.637 --> 13:58.838 >> YES, I DO. 13:58.971 --> 14:02.075 WE TALK ABOUT ST. LOUIS NOT 14:02.208 --> 14:03.643 BEING FUN, HERE'S AN INCIDENT 14:03.776 --> 14:04.577 WHERE IT IS FUN. 14:04.711 --> 14:07.280 THE GOVERNOR IS COMING ON TRIAL, 14:07.413 --> 14:08.247 CHARGED LIKE THIS. 14:08.381 --> 14:11.150 NOT FUN FOR EVERYBODY, BUT JACK 14:11.284 --> 14:13.219 GARVEY, A FORMER JUDGE ARGUING 14:13.353 --> 14:16.589 FOR THE DEFENSE, BOB DIERKER, A 14:16.723 --> 14:18.658 FORMER JUDGE, ARGUING FOR THE 14:18.791 --> 14:19.959 PROSECUTION, IT'S A SHOW TRIAL 14:20.093 --> 14:22.195 AND I THINK THE JUDGE SEEMS TO 14:22.328 --> 14:24.364 BE MAKING, WHAT I CAN TELL, ALL 14:24.497 --> 14:25.164 THE RIGHT CALLS. 14:25.298 --> 14:27.500 WHEN THE PROSECUTION WANTED IT 14:27.633 --> 14:28.735 TO BE SOMETIME SHORTLY BEFORE 14:28.868 --> 14:30.436 THE ELECTION IN OCTOBER, THE 14:30.570 --> 14:32.004 JUDGE SAID NO, THAT'S 14:32.138 --> 14:32.705 RIDICULOUS. 14:32.839 --> 14:34.140 AND WHEN THE GOVERNOR'S TEAM 14:34.273 --> 14:35.742 WANTS IT MOVED UP TO TOMORROW, 14:35.875 --> 14:37.643 THE JUDGE SAID, NO, WE'VE GOT A 14:37.777 --> 14:39.879 TRIAL DATE, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP 14:40.012 --> 14:40.580 IT. 14:40.713 --> 14:42.415 IT SEEMS ON TRACK TO BE AN 14:42.548 --> 14:44.217 INTERESTING TIME IN THE OLD 14:44.350 --> 14:44.517 TOWN. 14:44.650 --> 14:46.719 >> SO THE BIG QUESTION THEN, IS 14:46.853 --> 14:48.521 IT GOING TO BE A JUDGE RATHER 14:48.654 --> 14:51.391 THAN A JURY, BY THE BENCH, THE 14:51.524 --> 14:52.425 JUDGE, OR THE JURY? 14:52.558 --> 14:54.660 I THINK THAT'S A DECISION ON 14:54.794 --> 14:54.994 MONDAY? 14:55.128 --> 14:57.597 >> A JUDGE DECIDES THAT? 14:57.730 --> 14:59.298 >> YEAH, THE JUDGE YESTERDAY 14:59.432 --> 15:00.333 SAID ASSUME RIGHT NOW THAT THIS 15:00.466 --> 15:02.935 IS GOING TO BE A JURY TRY, BUT 15:03.069 --> 15:04.737 WE'LL DISCUSS -- JURY TRIAL, BUT 15:04.871 --> 15:05.938 WE'LL DISCUSS IT MONDAY MORNING 15:06.072 --> 15:07.974 AT 9:00 A.M. AND I'LL MAKE THAT 15:08.107 --> 15:08.341 DECISION. 15:08.474 --> 15:09.675 >> THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE 15:09.809 --> 15:10.810 SAYING THE PEOPLE OF ST. LOUIS 15:10.943 --> 15:14.514 HAVE A RIGHT, CORRECT, TO HEAR 15:14.647 --> 15:16.349 THIS CASE. 15:16.482 --> 15:18.317 >> I DON'T THINK HE SAID THAT -- 15:18.451 --> 15:19.519 TO PIPE DOWN ON THAT -- 15:19.652 --> 15:20.420 >> THERE'S NO RIGHT. 15:20.553 --> 15:21.421 >> RIGHT, IT'S GOING TO BE 15:21.554 --> 15:22.455 CALLED BY THE JUDGE. 15:22.588 --> 15:23.556 I THINK IT'S INTERESTING, 15:23.689 --> 15:25.858 THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF HANDY 15:25.992 --> 15:28.027 CAPPING OF THIS IN THE -- 15:28.161 --> 15:29.595 HANDICAPPING OF THIS IN THE 15:29.729 --> 15:30.763 PAPER, A LOT OF PUBLICITY AND 15:30.897 --> 15:34.534 THE PROSECUTOR HAS HAD A LOT OF 15:34.667 --> 15:36.302 STORIES HAVE NOT LOOKED GREAT 15:36.436 --> 15:37.904 COMING OUT OF THE GATE, BUT IF 15:38.037 --> 15:39.505 THE PROSECUTOR WAS DOING AS 15:39.639 --> 15:41.240 POORLY OVERALL AS SOME PEOPLE 15:41.374 --> 15:42.175 THINK, THEY COULD HAVE EASILY 15:42.308 --> 15:43.276 THROWN THIS CASE OUT. 15:43.409 --> 15:44.811 THE JUDGE SEEMS TO BE HANDLING, 15:44.944 --> 15:46.546 AS BILL SAYS, EVERYTHING 15:46.679 --> 15:46.913 PROPERLY. 15:47.046 --> 15:48.648 MAYBE IT WILL HELP NET MIGRATION 15:48.781 --> 15:49.949 TO ST. LOUIS. 15:50.082 --> 15:51.551 CERTAINLY THE MEDIA WILL COME IF 15:51.684 --> 15:54.620 FOR A WHILE, GOOD FOR TOURISM. 15:54.754 --> 15:56.589 >> BUT I WONDER IF THE NATIONAL 15:56.722 --> 15:57.123 MEDIA WILL. 15:57.256 --> 15:58.624 >> YEAH, THERE WILL BE SOME -- 15:58.758 --> 16:00.092 >> WE'VE HAD SOME TRIALS HERE IN 16:00.226 --> 16:03.329 THE LAST YEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, 16:03.463 --> 16:04.130 VERY, YOU KNOW, CONTROVERSIAL 16:04.263 --> 16:04.897 AND ALL THAT. 16:05.031 --> 16:06.766 I THINK ANY ONE OF US COVER GONE 16:06.899 --> 16:10.336 ON FAE ANY DAY AROUND APPARENTLY 16:10.470 --> 16:12.472 FOR THIS TRIAL, THEY'RE GOING TO 16:12.605 --> 16:14.373 HAVE SEAT ASSIGNMENT AND THERE'S 16:14.507 --> 16:16.776 NATIONAL PEOPLE. 16:16.909 --> 16:19.378 THE GOVERNOR MIGHT COME OUT WITH 16:19.512 --> 16:20.513 SOME RISQUE STUFF. 16:20.646 --> 16:21.614 >> THERE'S FUN STUFF THAT PEOPLE 16:21.747 --> 16:22.982 LIKE TO LISTEN TO. 16:23.115 --> 16:23.983 ANYTIME YOU HAVE A STORY THAT 16:24.116 --> 16:25.952 YOU CAN GET THE GOVERNOR, A HAIR 16:26.085 --> 16:28.421 DRESSER AND A BLIND FIELD IN THE 16:28.554 --> 16:33.125 SAME SENTENCE -- BLIND FOLD IN 16:33.259 --> 16:34.026 THE SAME SENTENCE. 16:34.160 --> 16:34.994 >> NET MIGRATION. 16:35.127 --> 16:37.830 >> MAYBE THE X-FACTOR THAT WE 16:37.964 --> 16:41.067 DON'T REFER TO MUCH, IS HOW 16:41.200 --> 16:42.568 WILLING A WITNESS IS THE WOMAN 16:42.702 --> 16:42.935 INVOLVED. 16:43.069 --> 16:45.905 THE FACT THAT HER LAWYERS 16:46.038 --> 16:47.807 WEIGHED IN ON KEEPING IT IN MAY 16:47.940 --> 16:48.741 WAS INTERESTING. 16:48.875 --> 16:50.643 I THINK A LOT OF THIS COULD COME 16:50.776 --> 16:52.345 DOWN, ASSUMING THEY DON'T HAVE A 16:52.478 --> 16:53.646 LOT OF PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE, A 16:53.779 --> 16:55.381 LOT OF THIS COULD COME DOWN TO 16:55.515 --> 16:56.482 WHAT KIND OF WITNESS SHE IS AND 16:56.616 --> 16:57.984 HOW WILLING SHE IS. 16:58.117 --> 17:00.019 >> WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW TSH 17:00.152 --> 17:04.257 DECKALLY, WE DIDN'T KNOW -- 17:04.390 --> 17:05.625 TECHNICALLY, WE DIDN'T KNOW, BUT 17:05.758 --> 17:07.360 NOW WE KNOW SHE'LL BE IN THE 17:07.493 --> 17:07.760 COURTROOM. 17:07.894 --> 17:09.061 >> WHAT WE HEAR ON THE TAPE, 17:09.195 --> 17:10.096 THAT'S THREE YEARS OLD. 17:10.229 --> 17:11.564 SHE'S HAD -- YOU KNOW WHAT I'M 17:11.697 --> 17:11.898 SAYING? 17:12.031 --> 17:15.635 SHE'S HAD A LOT OF TIME TO THINK 17:15.768 --> 17:18.304 THINGS OVER, TO MAYBE CHANGE HER 17:18.437 --> 17:19.605 ATTITUDES, WHO KNOWS. 17:19.739 --> 17:21.173 >> ONCE YOU'RE DEPOSED, YOU 17:21.307 --> 17:23.142 KNOW, LIKE HEY, THIS IS YOUR 17:23.276 --> 17:25.011 STATEMENT, SO WHEN YOU GET IN 17:25.144 --> 17:27.947 THE COURTROOM, IT'S KIND OF 17:28.080 --> 17:29.916 LIKE, YOU CAN'T CHANGE YOUR MIND 17:30.049 --> 17:32.485 NOW, THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID AND 17:32.618 --> 17:33.553 THIS IS WHY WE'RE HEAR. 17:33.686 --> 17:35.121 >> BUT WHAT SHE SAID ON THE 17:35.254 --> 17:35.655 TAPE -- 17:35.788 --> 17:38.591 >> I'M TALKING ABOUT ONCE YOU'RE 17:38.724 --> 17:39.425 DEPOSED AND ALL THAT. 17:39.559 --> 17:40.993 >> TEARFULLY ADMITTING THAT SHE 17:41.127 --> 17:44.564 WAS WILDLY ATTRACTED TO HIM AND 17:44.697 --> 17:45.865 THEY WERE WILDLY ATTRACTED TO 17:45.998 --> 17:47.867 EACH OTHER IN THOSE FIRST 17:48.000 --> 17:49.969 MEETINGS, I'M THING THINGS HAVE 17:50.102 --> 17:50.336 CHANGED. 17:50.469 --> 17:51.270 >> WHAT THIS IS GOING TO COME 17:51.404 --> 17:53.105 DOWN -- WELL, WE DON'T -- WHAT 17:53.239 --> 17:55.241 IT WOULD COME DOWN TO IS WHETHER 17:55.374 --> 17:56.342 HE, AS SHE SUGGESTED IN THE 17:56.475 --> 17:57.143 TAPE, TOOK THE PHOTOGRAPH 17:57.276 --> 17:59.245 WITHOUT HER PERMISSION AND 17:59.378 --> 18:00.646 THREATENED HER AND IF SHE'S 18:00.780 --> 18:01.781 WILLING TO TESTIFY TO THAT, THEN 18:01.914 --> 18:05.885 IT COMES DOWN TO WHETHER SHE'S 18:06.018 --> 18:07.186 BELIEVABLE AND I'M NOT MAKING 18:07.320 --> 18:08.321 ANY PREDICTION OR IMPLICATION 18:08.454 --> 18:10.356 THAT HE IS GUILTY, I HAVE NO 18:10.489 --> 18:11.591 IDEA, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT 18:11.724 --> 18:12.825 HER CREDIBILITY AND INTEREST AS 18:12.959 --> 18:14.060 A WITNESS MAY BE A VERY 18:14.193 --> 18:15.695 IMPORTANT PART OF THIS 18:15.828 --> 18:16.095 PROCEEDING. 18:16.228 --> 18:18.064 >> WELL, BEAR IN MIND, TOO, THAT 18:18.197 --> 18:19.599 BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT -- 18:19.732 --> 18:21.067 >> RIGHT, RIGHT. 18:21.200 --> 18:23.336 >> AND THE STATE'S ONLY WITNESS, 18:23.469 --> 18:25.471 I MEAN, WHO WAS THERE. 18:25.605 --> 18:26.005 >> EXACTLY. 18:26.138 --> 18:28.574 >> ACCORDING TO WHAT SHE SAID ON 18:28.708 --> 18:31.978 THE TAPE, SHE WAS BLIND FOLDED 18:32.111 --> 18:34.380 AT THE TIME, SO THAT KIND OF 18:34.513 --> 18:35.414 HANDICAPS A WITNESS. 18:35.548 --> 18:36.515 >> CORRECT AND I'M NOT 18:36.649 --> 18:38.050 SUGGESTING THAT HE'S GUILTY. 18:38.184 --> 18:39.251 I'M JUST SAYING HER ROLE IS 18:39.385 --> 18:40.286 GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING PART 18:40.419 --> 18:40.586 OF IT. 18:40.720 --> 18:41.887 >> WHAT I THOUGHT WAS 18:42.021 --> 18:43.222 INTERESTING YESTERDAY IS WHEN 18:43.356 --> 18:46.058 JACK GARVEY, ATTORNEY FOR THE 18:46.192 --> 18:48.995 DEFENSE, HAD SAID, LOOK, YOUR 18:49.128 --> 18:50.930 LEAD INVESTIGATOR SAYS NO 18:51.063 --> 18:54.634 PHOTOGRAPH, NO EVIDENCE, NO ONE 18:54.767 --> 18:56.202 LOOKING FOR THE PHOTOGRAPH, LA 18:56.335 --> 18:58.971 BLAH BLAH BLAH, SO THE CIRCUIT 18:59.105 --> 19:00.373 ATTORNEY KIM GARDNER GOT UP 19:00.506 --> 19:01.607 THERE AND SAID WE HAVE EVIDENCE 19:01.741 --> 19:03.042 YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT AND GARVEY 19:03.175 --> 19:04.410 GOT UP THERE AND SAID THAT'S 19:04.543 --> 19:05.678 PRETTY DISTURBING BECAUSE UNDER 19:05.811 --> 19:07.146 THE RULES OF DISCOVERY, YOU HAVE 19:07.279 --> 19:08.080 TO SHARE THAT. 19:08.214 --> 19:09.081 I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN 19:09.215 --> 19:10.082 INTERESTING MOMENT IN THE 19:10.216 --> 19:11.183 COURTROOM WHICH IS INTERESTING 19:11.317 --> 19:13.786 WHEN YOU HAVE A JUDGE SAYING 19:13.919 --> 19:16.122 THAT TO A JUDGE AND -- SO WE'LL 19:16.255 --> 19:17.223 SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 19:17.356 --> 19:19.592 OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO WENDY. 19:19.725 --> 19:21.160 AS IT TURNS OUT, SPEAKING OF 19:21.293 --> 19:23.696 THIS CASE, THERE WAS A MOTION TO 19:23.829 --> 19:25.164 DISQUALIFY RONALD S. SULLIVAN, 19:25.297 --> 19:28.267 THE HARVARD PROFESSOR WHO IS 19:28.401 --> 19:29.468 WORKING ON THIS CASE AND THE 19:29.602 --> 19:31.203 DEFENSE SAID, YOU CAN'T HAVE 19:31.337 --> 19:34.607 THIS RONALD S. SULLIVAN. 19:34.740 --> 19:36.375 NUMBER ONE, HE'S NOT ADMITTED TO 19:36.509 --> 19:37.343 THE MISSOURI BAR. 19:37.476 --> 19:38.844 NUMBER TWO, HE'S WORKING ON 19:38.978 --> 19:40.179 ANOTHER CRIMINAL CASE, I THINK 19:40.312 --> 19:42.014 IN CONNECTICUT SIMULTANEOUSLY, 19:42.148 --> 19:42.948 WHICH IS AGAINST MISSOURI LAW, 19:43.082 --> 19:44.383 AND FURTHERMORE, IF THERE IS 19:44.517 --> 19:47.086 GOING TO BE A SPECIAL 19:47.219 --> 19:48.454 PROSECUTOR, HE OR SHE HAS TO BE 19:48.587 --> 19:50.956 APPOINTED BY THE JUDGE AND THE 19:51.090 --> 19:52.224 SALARY HAS TO BE DETERMINED BY 19:52.358 --> 19:54.093 THE COURT AS WELL. 19:54.226 --> 19:55.961 ACTUALLY, GREITENS' SEEM SAID 19:56.095 --> 19:59.765 THAT THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY 19:59.899 --> 20:01.701 COMMITTED A MISDEMEANOR CRIME BY 20:01.834 --> 20:02.868 APPOINTING RONALD S. SULLIVAN. 20:03.002 --> 20:05.137 ARE YOU BUYING THAT? 20:05.271 --> 20:06.839 >> I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN 20:06.972 --> 20:07.707 EASY -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 20:07.840 --> 20:09.775 I THINK THE JF WOULD HAVE 20:09.909 --> 20:11.043 ALREADY MOVED -- THE JUDGE WOULD 20:11.177 --> 20:12.244 HAVE ALREADY MOVED ON THAT. 20:12.378 --> 20:14.246 IF THE PROSECUTOR HAS COMMITTED 20:14.380 --> 20:17.149 A MISDEMEANOR, THEN GET RID OF 20:17.283 --> 20:17.416 HIM. 20:17.550 --> 20:19.852 GET HIM OUT OF THE CIRCUIT 20:19.985 --> 20:21.253 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 20:21.387 --> 20:22.188 I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE WAITING 20:22.321 --> 20:22.555 ON THAT. 20:22.688 --> 20:25.124 THAT WOULD BE EASY TO PROVE, 20:25.257 --> 20:25.424 RIGHT? 20:25.558 --> 20:25.791 I MEAN -- 20:25.925 --> 20:29.662 >> NO, NO, THE QUESTION IS THE 20:29.795 --> 20:30.830 CIRCUIT ATTORNEY HAS, AT LEAST 20:30.963 --> 20:33.032 IS ARGUING THAT, THEY HAVE SOME 20:33.165 --> 20:34.400 DISCRETION ABOUT HOW THEY GO 20:34.533 --> 20:36.001 ABOUT DOING THIS, AND I DON'T 20:36.135 --> 20:37.169 THINK IT'S CLEAR -- 20:37.303 --> 20:39.305 >> BUT HE'S AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. 20:39.438 --> 20:40.740 HE IS CLEARLY NOT AN ELECTED 20:40.873 --> 20:41.107 OFFICIAL. 20:41.240 --> 20:42.141 >> THE ARGUMENT IS THAT THE 20:42.274 --> 20:43.642 CIRCUIT ATTORNEY HAS THE RIGHT 20:43.776 --> 20:44.710 TO BRING THIS PERSON IN. 20:44.844 --> 20:46.278 >> THE LATITUDE. 20:46.412 --> 20:48.047 >> THAT MIGHT BE AS SIMPLE AS, 20:48.180 --> 20:49.381 HE'S A CONSULTANT, NOT PART OF 20:49.515 --> 20:50.382 THE PROSECUTION. 20:50.516 --> 20:52.251 >> BUT IF HE MOVES -- 20:52.384 --> 20:53.052 >> BUT HE IS -- 20:53.185 --> 20:54.153 >> THAT KIND OF MONEY. 20:54.286 --> 20:57.656 >> HE'S FILING PLEADINGS ON HIS 20:57.790 --> 21:00.159 NAME ON IT IN THE COURT 21:00.292 --> 21:00.559 DOCUMENTS. 21:00.693 --> 21:01.594 >> AND IF HE MOVES HERE, IT'S 21:01.727 --> 21:02.628 NET MIGRATION. 21:02.762 --> 21:03.529 WE NEED MORE PEOPLE. 21:03.662 --> 21:04.263 >> OKAY. 21:04.396 --> 21:05.598 RAY, WHAT ABOUT A STUDY THAT 21:05.731 --> 21:07.600 CAME OUT INDICATING THAT NO LESS 21:07.733 --> 21:10.436 THAN $29 MILLION IN TAXES HAVE 21:10.569 --> 21:13.405 BEEN FORGIVEN TO LOCAL COMPANIES 21:13.539 --> 21:15.841 THAT RECEIVE TIFs AND ABATEMENTS 21:15.975 --> 21:17.543 IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS LAST 21:17.676 --> 21:17.843 YEAR? 21:17.977 --> 21:19.945 THAT'S UP FROM WHAT I THINK WAS, 21:20.079 --> 21:21.347 WHAT, $17 MILLION? 21:21.480 --> 21:23.616 SO IN OTHER WORDS, SCHOOLS, 21:23.749 --> 21:25.885 PARKS, POLICE, THE ZOO, ARE NOT 21:26.018 --> 21:27.319 GETTING UP TO $29 MILLION. 21:27.453 --> 21:30.623 >> BUT THEY CALL IT A 21:30.756 --> 21:31.423 CALCULATION ERROR? 21:31.557 --> 21:32.691 >> A COMPUTATION ERROR. 21:32.825 --> 21:35.194 >> A COMPUTATION ERROR? 21:35.327 --> 21:37.429 TECHNICALLY, THERE'S A 50-50 21:37.563 --> 21:39.832 CHANCE IN A COMPUTATION ERROR 21:39.965 --> 21:41.200 THAT THEY HAVE -- IT JUST 21:41.333 --> 21:43.836 HAPPENS IN THIS CASE THAT THEY 21:43.969 --> 21:44.703 UNDERSTATED HOW MUCH MONEY THEY 21:44.837 --> 21:47.239 WERE GIVING AWAY BY 70%. 21:47.373 --> 21:48.374 FROM 17 TO 29 MILLION. 21:48.507 --> 21:50.009 THAT IN ITSELF SHOULD BE A BIG 21:50.142 --> 21:50.309 STORY. 21:50.442 --> 21:53.445 IT'S LIKE, EXCUSE ME? 21:53.579 --> 21:55.014 WE JUST MADE A LITTLE ERROR, 21:55.147 --> 21:56.115 12 MILLION BUCKS. 21:56.248 --> 21:59.585 I THINK IT'S -- RIGHT NOW, THE 21:59.718 --> 22:01.420 ISSUE IS THE CITY LOBBYIST FOR 22:01.554 --> 22:03.355 THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS TESTIFYING 22:03.489 --> 22:05.724 AGAINST TIF REFORM, WHICH I 22:05.858 --> 22:08.093 THINK IS A REAL BAD LOOK FOR US 22:08.227 --> 22:13.232 BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIFs -- 22:13.365 --> 22:14.600 THERE WAS A GREAT PIECE ON THE 22:14.733 --> 22:15.534 WEBSITE ABOUT THIS. 22:15.668 --> 22:16.535 THEY'RE SAYING WE NEED MORE 22:16.669 --> 22:18.704 LOCAL CONTROL OF THIS. 22:18.838 --> 22:20.172 WELL, LOCAL CONTROL DOES INCLUDE 22:20.306 --> 22:22.508 THINGS WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE 22:22.641 --> 22:23.542 TIFF REFORM LIKE SCHOOL 22:23.676 --> 22:28.113 DISTRICTS HAVING A BETTER SAY IN 22:28.247 --> 22:28.814 DEFENDING THEMSELVES AGAINST 22:28.948 --> 22:30.416 TIFFs, SO I THINK THE CITY OUGHT 22:30.549 --> 22:33.185 TO BACK OFF OF FIGHTING THIS. 22:33.319 --> 22:34.186 >> GOOD FOR YOU. 22:34.320 --> 22:37.256 >> TIFF REFORM IS NOT GOING TO 22:37.389 --> 22:38.257 CHANGE THINGS OVERNIGHT. 22:38.390 --> 22:39.758 >> I'M ALL FOR THINGS LIKE 22:39.892 --> 22:42.328 SCHOOL DISTRICTS OPTING OUT, BUT 22:42.461 --> 22:44.630 UNTIL THE CITY CHANGES HOW THEY 22:44.763 --> 22:48.200 FEEL ABOUT TIFFs, I'M NOT GOING 22:48.334 --> 22:50.102 TO BE MAD AT THEM HAVING A 22:50.236 --> 22:51.470 LOBBYIST DOWN THERE, THEY'RE 22:51.604 --> 22:52.137 DOING THEIR JOB. 22:52.271 --> 22:53.739 IT NEEDS TO BE REFORMED. 22:53.873 --> 22:55.841 WHEN YOU SAY WE DON'T HAVE ANY 22:55.975 --> 22:56.775 MONEY, IT'S OUR FAULT BECAUSE 22:56.909 --> 22:58.043 WE'RE GIVING IT ALL AWAY. 22:58.177 --> 22:59.612 I SAY THAT TO SAY THIS. 22:59.745 --> 23:05.284 ABOUT A DECADE AGO, MAYBE MORE, 23:05.417 --> 23:10.656 WEST COUNTY MALL IN DES PERES 23:10.789 --> 23:15.027 GOT A TIFF AND I WENT CRAZY, BUT 23:15.160 --> 23:16.762 IT SAVED THE MALL AND THEY PAY 23:16.896 --> 23:17.296 MORE TAXES. 23:17.429 --> 23:18.797 SO IT DOES WORK, BUT -- 23:18.931 --> 23:20.599 >> WASN'T IT SORT OF FASCINATING 23:20.733 --> 23:22.368 THAT THIS WEEK, THAT STORY 23:22.501 --> 23:28.107 APPEARED AT THE SAME TIME THAT 23:28.240 --> 23:30.409 ALDERMANIC PRESIDENT LEWIS REED 23:30.542 --> 23:32.544 WAS PROPOSING A BANK. 23:32.678 --> 23:34.013 I MEAN AN ACTUAL ST. LOUIS BANK 23:34.146 --> 23:36.582 AND EXPERTS FROM AROUND THE 23:36.715 --> 23:37.917 COUNTRY HAVE SAID THAT THAT IDEA 23:38.050 --> 23:40.052 IS FRAUGHT WITH PERIL AND THEN 23:40.185 --> 23:41.687 YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, A 23:41.820 --> 23:43.822 $13 MILLION DISCREPANCY AND YOU 23:43.956 --> 23:44.657 WONDER WHAT WOULD POSSIBLY GO 23:44.790 --> 23:46.292 WRONG WITH A BANK. 23:46.425 --> 23:48.027 >> WE COULD ASK THE MAYOR, BUT I 23:48.160 --> 23:48.761 DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE'S AT. 23:48.894 --> 23:50.629 >> WELL, SHE WAS IN THE 23:50.763 --> 23:51.263 ST. PATRICK'S DAY PARADE. 23:51.397 --> 23:52.898 >> OKAY, WE GOT OUR PRIORITIES 23:53.032 --> 23:53.933 TOGETHER, DON'T WE. 23:54.066 --> 23:55.234 >> IT DEPENDS. 23:55.367 --> 23:56.568 THE ROOSEVELT INSTITUTE -- I 23:56.702 --> 23:58.437 HADN'T HEARD ABOUT THIS CONCEPT. 23:58.570 --> 23:59.939 I THINK ROOSEVELT INSTITUTE, 24:00.072 --> 24:01.540 SOME OTHERS HAVE STUDIED THIS 24:01.674 --> 24:02.341 NATIONALLY AND IT'S NOT 24:02.474 --> 24:03.809 SOMETHING WE SHOULD REJECT OUT 24:03.943 --> 24:05.311 OF HAND, I DON'T THINK. 24:05.444 --> 24:06.645 LOOK, DO I THINK ST. LOUIS IS 24:06.779 --> 24:07.613 GOING TO HAVE A MUNICIPAL BANK 24:07.746 --> 24:08.814 AS AN ALTERNATIVE? 24:08.948 --> 24:11.850 NO, BUT THERE'S SOME ARGUMENTS 24:11.984 --> 24:12.985 THAT SAY THAT WHEN CITIES USE 24:13.118 --> 24:15.421 ALL THE BONDING THEY DO, WHICH 24:15.554 --> 24:16.488 REALLY BENEFITS WEALTHY FOLKS 24:16.622 --> 24:18.958 WHO BUY THE BONDS, THAT THERE'S 24:19.091 --> 24:21.760 AT LEAST SOME STUDY THAT IS NOT 24:21.894 --> 24:24.163 UNREASONABLE TO LOOK AT THE 24:24.296 --> 24:25.164 POSSIBILITY OF ALTERNATIVES TO 24:25.297 --> 24:30.235 THE STRUCTURE WE HAVE NOW. 24:30.369 --> 24:31.770 I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, 24:31.904 --> 24:33.138 BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SAY 24:33.272 --> 24:34.940 COMPLETELY NO WAY NO HOW. 24:35.074 --> 24:37.476 >> AT LEAST IT'S OUT OF THE BOX 24:37.609 --> 24:38.210 THINKING, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, 24:38.344 --> 24:41.714 IT'S LIKE A JOKE, WHAT COULD GO 24:41.847 --> 24:42.014 WRONG? 24:42.147 --> 24:43.749 AN ALDERMAN WITH AN ABANDONING. 24:43.882 --> 24:45.551 >> YOU AND I TRYING -- WITH A 24:45.684 --> 24:45.851 BANK. 24:45.985 --> 24:47.386 >> YOU AND I TRYING TO OPEN A 24:47.519 --> 24:49.288 STORE, CONSULTING FIRM, OH, COME 24:49.421 --> 24:53.392 ON, BUT MEANWHILE, SOME OF THE 24:53.525 --> 24:57.096 PLAYAS, THE POWERS THAT BE, THE 24:57.229 --> 25:00.332 PEOPLE WHO HELPED THE MAYOR GET 25:00.466 --> 25:01.934 ELECTED, THEY CAN ALONG LIKE 25:02.067 --> 25:02.301 SATURN 5. 25:02.434 --> 25:04.603 >> WELL, INNOT LIKE THEY MAKE 25:04.737 --> 25:06.372 OUT LIKE BANDITS NOW. 25:06.505 --> 25:07.606 >> WE ALREADY HAVE QUITE A FEW 25:07.740 --> 25:07.940 BANKS. 25:08.073 --> 25:08.941 >> I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD RULE 25:09.074 --> 25:10.709 IT OUT WOULD GO KNOWING MORE. 25:10.843 --> 25:18.584 >> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT VANS 25:18.717 --> 25:20.552 OUT OF LAWRENCE, KANSAS, WERE 25:20.686 --> 25:22.321 ROBBED WHEN THE STUDENTS WHO 25:22.454 --> 25:23.756 TRAVELED HERE ON A FIELD TRIP 25:23.889 --> 25:25.324 WERE INSIDE THE CITY MUSEUM. 25:25.457 --> 25:28.027 SO WHEN THE STUDENTS FROM 25:28.160 --> 25:32.331 LAWRENCE VENS BACK TO THEIR VANS 25:32.464 --> 25:33.699 IN DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS, THEIR 25:33.832 --> 25:38.037 STUFF WAS STOLEN. 25:38.170 --> 25:39.471 IS THERE ANY SOLUTION TO CARS 25:39.605 --> 25:41.940 AND VANS OF STUDENTS AND 25:42.074 --> 25:43.976 TOURISTS AND ROCK BANDS BEING 25:44.109 --> 25:44.476 BROKEN INTO? 25:44.610 --> 25:47.513 >> I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED ROCK 25:47.646 --> 25:48.680 BANDS, THERE'S A WATCH OUT 25:48.814 --> 25:50.315 THERE, WHEN YOU GO TO ST. LOUIS, 25:50.449 --> 25:52.051 LUG ALL YOUR EQUIPMENT TO YOUR 25:52.184 --> 25:53.952 HOTEL ROOMS EVERY NIGHT, NO 25:54.086 --> 25:55.020 MATTER HOW LONG YOU'RE THERE, DO 25:55.154 --> 25:57.189 NOT LEAVE IT IN YOUR CAR, IT 25:57.322 --> 25:58.190 WILL GET ROBBED. 25:58.323 --> 25:59.892 ANYTHING THIS CLOSE PROXIMITY TO 26:00.025 --> 26:02.694 THE MUSEUMS, FOREST PARK, 26:02.828 --> 26:04.463 ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THE STREETS 26:04.596 --> 26:12.604 NEED TO BE PA TROLETZ, THIS IS 26:12.738 --> 26:13.038 EMBARRASSING. 26:13.172 --> 26:15.040 THIS IS WHY PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO 26:15.174 --> 26:15.741 MOVE HERE. 26:15.874 --> 26:17.943 I UNDERSTAND, CRIME RATE, 26:18.077 --> 26:19.078 MURDER, OUT OF CONTROL AND THAT 26:19.211 --> 26:20.712 NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT THESE 26:20.846 --> 26:23.582 LITTLE PETTILY CRIMES, IT JUST 26:23.715 --> 26:25.517 ME -- PETTY CRIMES, IT JUST 26:25.651 --> 26:26.085 NEEDS TO STOP. 26:26.218 --> 26:27.152 >> I WOULD HAVE THE CHIEF OF 26:27.286 --> 26:28.654 POLICE GO TO THE PARKING LOTS 26:28.787 --> 26:30.289 AROUND THE CITY MUSEUM BECAUSE 26:30.422 --> 26:31.690 THIS IS A FRONT PAGE STORY ON A 26:31.824 --> 26:32.925 SUNDAY A YEAR AGO ABOUT ALL 26:33.058 --> 26:34.460 THESE PLACES AND THE PEOPLE 26:34.593 --> 26:35.294 THINK THEY'RE SAFE BECAUSE 26:35.427 --> 26:36.995 THEY'RE GOING TO A PARKING LOT 26:37.129 --> 26:38.497 AND THERE'S NO SECURITY THERE 26:38.630 --> 26:42.301 AND THE CAR GETS BROKEN TO. 26:42.434 --> 26:43.969 I'D HAVE THE CHIEF GO TO THE LOT 26:44.103 --> 26:45.604 AND SAY I NEED SOME HELP. 26:45.737 --> 26:47.673 I NEED YOU TO HAVE A SECURITY 26:47.806 --> 26:49.408 GUARD OUT HERE ALL THE TIME AND 26:49.541 --> 26:52.578 IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HIRE A $12 26:52.711 --> 26:53.946 AN HOUR GUARD, YOU BETTER GET A 26:54.079 --> 26:55.013 GOOD ACCOUNTANT BECAUSE THIS IS 26:55.147 --> 26:56.381 A CASH BUSINESS AND WE'RE GOING 26:56.515 --> 26:57.583 TO SUBPOENA YOUR RECORDS AND 26:57.716 --> 26:58.784 TAKE A LOOK AT THEM. 26:58.917 --> 27:01.019 I'M GOING TO SET AN EXAMPLE OF 27:01.153 --> 27:02.154 SOMEBODY WHO WON'T COOPERATE 27:02.287 --> 27:03.889 WITH ME AND HAVE THOSE LOTS -- 27:04.022 --> 27:05.157 JUST HAVE A GUY STANDING OUT ON 27:05.290 --> 27:06.792 THE LOTS TO PREVENT THIS. 27:06.925 --> 27:07.359 THIS IS RIDICULOUS. 27:07.493 --> 27:08.594 >> HOW ABOUT LIGHTING? 27:08.727 --> 27:09.795 THIS COULD HAVE BEEN IN BROAD 27:09.928 --> 27:10.629 DAYLIGHT, BUT STILL -- 27:10.762 --> 27:11.430 >> IT WAS. 27:11.563 --> 27:12.898 >> RIGHT, RIGHT, SURE. 27:13.031 --> 27:14.533 >> BROAD DAYLIGHT. 27:14.666 --> 27:16.068 >> BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE ADEQUATE 27:16.201 --> 27:17.436 LIGHTING ON SOME OF THESE 27:17.569 --> 27:19.304 PARKING LOTS THAT DON'T HAVE 27:19.438 --> 27:19.638 GUARDS. 27:19.771 --> 27:21.940 IF YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A GUARD, 27:22.074 --> 27:23.208 SHOULDN'T YOU HAVE IT WELL 27:23.342 --> 27:23.542 LIGHTED? 27:23.675 --> 27:25.911 >> AS THE ONE WHO DOESN'T THINK 27:26.044 --> 27:28.247 THAT POPULATION NUMBERS ARE THAT 27:28.380 --> 27:30.282 HUGE A DEAL, THIS IS. 27:30.415 --> 27:32.718 THIS -- STORIES LIKE THIS ARE 27:32.851 --> 27:33.552 DEVASTATING, AND WHATEVER ARE 27:33.685 --> 27:35.420 THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO 27:35.554 --> 27:36.355 LIVE IN THE REGION, WHICH IS 27:36.488 --> 27:39.091 PRETTY MUCH OUT OF OUR CONTROL, 27:39.224 --> 27:40.392 REALLY, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE 27:40.526 --> 27:43.762 ONES WHO LIVE HERE HAVE A GOOD 27:43.896 --> 27:45.364 QUALITY OF LIFE AND PARTICULARLY 27:45.497 --> 27:47.833 TOURISM IS STILL A VERY 27:47.966 --> 27:49.101 IMPORTANT INDUSTRY TO OUR 27:49.234 --> 27:50.569 ECONOMY, AND THIS IS NOT BAD, 27:50.702 --> 27:51.503 IT'S DEVASTATING. 27:51.637 --> 27:52.738 WHEN YOU HAVE STORIES LIKE THIS 27:52.871 --> 27:56.775 THAT PEOPLE CAN RELATE TO, 27:56.909 --> 27:58.377 SOMETIMES A MICRO STORY LIKE 27:58.510 --> 28:00.445 THIS INVOLVING THESE KIDS HAS 28:00.579 --> 28:01.513 MORE OF AN IMPACT ON FOLKS' 28:01.647 --> 28:04.149 APPROACH TO ST. LOUIS THAN THE 28:04.283 --> 28:05.551 MURDER STORIES. 28:05.684 --> 28:07.186 >> BUT THESE ARE TOURISTS AND 28:07.319 --> 28:08.353 PEOPLE COMING FROM OUT OF TOWN 28:08.487 --> 28:09.855 TO GO THERE AND THINKING THEY'RE 28:09.988 --> 28:11.723 SAFE AND ALL THE TIME -- 28:11.857 --> 28:13.025 >> IT'S A TERRIBLE THING NRIE 28:13.158 --> 28:14.026 THINK WE NEED TO THROW OURSELVES 28:14.159 --> 28:15.994 AT THE MERCY OF DeWITTS BECAUSE 28:16.128 --> 28:16.995 THEY CERTAINLY HAVE -- THEY HAVE 28:17.129 --> 28:18.730 A LOT OF CLOUT AND THEY COULD 28:18.864 --> 28:19.531 PROBABLY GET THINGS DONE. 28:19.665 --> 28:21.166 >> ALVIN, I WANT TO ASK YOU 28:21.300 --> 28:22.501 ABOUT CRIME AND JUSTICE AND THIS 28:22.634 --> 28:24.236 IS -- I THINK HIS NAME IS 28:24.369 --> 28:26.171 ANTHONY PIERCY. 28:26.305 --> 28:28.907 HE WAS THE MISSOURI PATROL 28:29.041 --> 28:30.242 OFFICER WHO WAS EVENTUALLY 28:30.375 --> 28:32.144 CONVICTED, I THINK, OF OPERATING 28:32.277 --> 28:33.946 A BOAT IMPROPERLY WHEN HE WAS 28:34.079 --> 28:35.747 TRANSPORTING A PRISONER WHO FELL 28:35.881 --> 28:36.949 OVERBOARD AND DROWNED. 28:37.082 --> 28:39.451 HE COULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH 28:39.585 --> 28:41.119 INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER. 28:41.253 --> 28:43.555 ANYWAY, HE GOT ABOUT 50 HOURS OF 28:43.689 --> 28:45.424 COMMUNITY SERVICE AFTER THIS 28:45.557 --> 28:47.392 MISSOURI TROOPER ACTED 28:47.526 --> 28:49.027 IMPROPERLY, AND AS IT TURNS OUT, 28:49.161 --> 28:50.195 HE IS SPENDING HIS COMMUNITY 28:50.329 --> 28:53.198 SERVICE WORKING IN THE THEATER, 28:53.332 --> 28:57.002 COMMUNITY THEATER IN VERSAILLES, 28:57.135 --> 28:57.402 MISSOURI. 28:57.536 --> 28:58.337 DO YOU THINK THAT'S PROPER 28:58.470 --> 28:59.071 COMMUNITY SERVICE FOR ANYBODY TO 28:59.204 --> 29:00.672 BE WORKING IN THE THEATER? 29:00.806 --> 29:02.107 >> OKAY, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK 29:02.241 --> 29:03.809 HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL FOR 29:03.942 --> 29:04.643 A LITTLE BIT OF TIME MYSELF. 29:04.776 --> 29:06.845 I HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE 29:06.979 --> 29:07.212 SENTENCE. 29:07.346 --> 29:08.046 BUT COMMUNITY SERVICE IS 29:08.180 --> 29:09.114 COMMUNITY SERVICE. 29:09.248 --> 29:11.216 AND VOLUNTEERISM, WHICH IS WHAT 29:11.350 --> 29:12.517 MANY PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THEIR 29:12.651 --> 29:13.885 COMMUNITIES, IT IS WHAT IT IS. 29:14.019 --> 29:15.120 I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HIS 29:15.254 --> 29:16.455 COMMUNITY SERVICE WORKING IN THE 29:16.588 --> 29:16.922 THEATER. 29:17.055 --> 29:18.123 NOW, I LIKE THEATER. 29:18.257 --> 29:19.791 I WAS INVOLVED IN IT, BUT I'M 29:19.925 --> 29:21.560 NOT -- THAT'S NOT OUT OF LINE TO 29:21.693 --> 29:21.827 ME. 29:21.960 --> 29:23.695 I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DO THEY -- 29:23.829 --> 29:24.730 THEY DON'T SAY WHEN YOU HAVE 29:24.863 --> 29:25.831 COMMUNITY SERVICE THAT YOU HAVE 29:25.964 --> 29:28.367 TO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, PICK UP 29:28.500 --> 29:30.202 TRASH IN THE RAIN OR THE SNOW. 29:30.335 --> 29:31.370 IT'S KIND OF -- YOU KNOW, YOU 29:31.503 --> 29:33.138 GOT TO DO COMMUNITY SERVICE AND 29:33.272 --> 29:34.206 HE'S DOING HIS COMMUNITY 29:34.339 --> 29:34.539 SERVICE. 29:34.673 --> 29:36.074 I'M NOT MAD AT HIM. 29:36.208 --> 29:37.009 >> ANYBODY ELSE? 29:37.142 --> 29:38.410 >> THIS GUY NEEDS TO LEAVE AND 29:38.543 --> 29:39.344 JUST INTO AWAY. 29:39.478 --> 29:41.713 IT WAS SUCH AN AWFUL INJUSTICE. 29:41.847 --> 29:45.417 NOW, THE FOLKS IN IOWA WHO ARE 29:45.550 --> 29:48.020 JUST SO -- CONTINUE MADABLY TO 29:48.153 --> 29:49.988 BE APPALLED AT -- UNDERSTANDABLY 29:50.122 --> 29:51.523 TO BE APPALL AT WHAT HAPPENED TO 29:51.657 --> 29:53.125 THEIR SON, THEY GOT LIKE A 29:53.258 --> 29:56.228 NINE MILLION SETTLEMENT, BUT THE 29:56.361 --> 29:58.063 FACT THAT THIS GUY GOT A LITTLE 29:58.196 --> 30:00.332 SHOCK TIME AND HE DID PLEAD TO 30:00.465 --> 30:02.434 INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER OR 30:02.567 --> 30:04.036 SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S SUCH A 30:04.169 --> 30:06.138 OUS RAGE GUSLY AWFUL SENTENCE 30:06.271 --> 30:07.873 THAT THIS MAKES IT WORSE. 30:08.006 --> 30:09.541 >> WHEN YOU'RE IN A BOAT, YOU 30:09.675 --> 30:11.777 GOT TO HOLD ON AND TO PUT A KID 30:11.910 --> 30:14.046 IN HANDCUFFS AND BE RACING ALONG 30:14.179 --> 30:15.247 AT ALMOST 50 MILES PER HOUR, 30:15.380 --> 30:17.949 PROBABLY TRYING TO GET HIM IN SO 30:18.083 --> 30:19.584 CO, YOU KNOW, GET HIM BLOOD 30:19.718 --> 30:21.920 TESTED BEFORE HE SOBERED UP. 30:22.054 --> 30:23.055 >> AND HE WAS HIRED AGAIN -- 30:23.188 --> 30:25.223 >> BUT THE FACT THAT HE WAS 30:25.357 --> 30:26.925 SUING THE HIGHWAY PATROL TO GET 30:27.059 --> 30:28.460 HIS JOB BACK, THAT'S WHAT I 30:28.593 --> 30:29.361 THINK IS HORRIBLE. 30:29.494 --> 30:30.662 >> LET'S SEE WHAT FOLKS HAD TO 30:30.796 --> 30:32.397 SAY ABOUT LAST WEEK'S PROGRAM BY 30:32.531 --> 30:35.434 VISITING THE OLD MAIL BAG. 30:35.567 --> 30:38.470 REGARDING THE 3:00 A.M. ARREST 30:38.603 --> 30:40.906 OF MIZZOU BASKETBALL PLAYER, AT 30:41.039 --> 30:43.375 FORMER FOOTBALL COACH GARY 30:43.508 --> 30:44.710 PINKLE USED TO SAY, THINGS THAT 30:44.843 --> 30:48.880 HAPPEN AFTER MIDNIGHT ARE RARELY 30:49.014 --> 30:49.181 GOOD. 30:49.314 --> 30:50.382 THAT FROM JOHN OF ILLINOIS. 30:50.515 --> 30:51.817 WE HEARD FROM RAY DUKE OF STL 30:51.950 --> 30:53.318 WHO WROTE, IT'S INTERESTING TO 30:53.452 --> 30:54.586 SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GREAT 30:54.720 --> 30:56.321 CITY OF ST. LOUIS OVER THE PAST 30:56.455 --> 30:57.289 70 YEARS. 30:57.422 --> 30:59.324 POPULATION FROM 800,000 TO 30:59.458 --> 30:59.858 300,000. 30:59.991 --> 31:01.693 ALL OF THAT UNDER CONTINUED 31:01.827 --> 31:02.294 DEMOCRATIC CONTROL. 31:02.427 --> 31:05.564 YOU CAN WRITE US CARE OF KETC, 31:05.697 --> 31:06.264 3655 OLIVE STREET, ST. 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