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>> THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR

THIS EDITION OF DONNYBROOK.

GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

IT'S THE THIRD WEEK IN A ROW

THAT WE'RE SOCIALLY DISTANCING,

AND WE'VE GOT A LOT TO TALK

ABOUT AS YOU KNOW.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR INVITING

US INTO YOUR LIVING ROOM.

WELL, KIND OF LIKE HOLLYWOOD

SQUARES, SO FIRST WE'D LIKE TO

WELCOME NANETTE FABRAY, AKK

WENDY WIESE, THE NEWS DIRECTOR

OF THE COUNTY RS.

MR. CHARLIE WEAVER, WHO IS BILL

McCLELLAN FROM THE ST. LOUIS

POST-DISPATCH.

WE SOMETIMES CALL HIM RAY

HARTMANN, BUT HE LOOKS MORE LIKE

PAUL LIND TO ME FROM THE

RIVERFRONT TIMES AND THE BIG 550

KTRS AND, OF COURSE, WALLY COX,

AKA ALVIN REID, FROM 97.1.

>> HI, KITTY!

HI, KITTY!

>> WHO WAS THAT, ALVIN?

>> THAT WAS RUBEN.

I'M TRYING TO KEEP HIM IN CAT

FOOD, SO HE HAD TO WORK TOO.

>> WE'LL SEND HIM THE USUAL FEE.

WE WANT TO EXPRESS THE HAPPIEST

OF BIRTHDAYS TODAY TO SOPHIA

MORENO WHO YOU SAW LAST WEEK AND

HOW MANY IS SHE TODAY?

>> THIS MANY.

>> WELL, RAY HARTMANN, YOU'RE

GOING TO BE SOCIALING DISTANCING

YOURSELF FROM THE GOVERNOR, MIKE

PARSON, OR HE'LL BE SOCIALLY

DISTANCING HIMSELF FROM YOU IF

HE READS THIS WEEK'S RIVERFRONT

TIMES.

YOU THINK MIKE PARSON IS DOING

AS LITTLE OR MAYBE EVEN LESS

WHEN IT COMES TO COVID-19 THAN

ANY OTHER GOVERNOR IN THE

COUNTRY.

>> KANSAS CITY STAR REPORTED HE

WAS IN A RACE TO THE BOTTOM

WITH, I WANT TO SAY THE

GOVERNORS OF THEE OTHER STATES.

I THINK IT WAS NEBRASKA, IOWA,

AND TENNESSEE, AS GOVERNORS WHO

HAVE DONE THE LEAST ABOUT THIS.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE ON

EVERY LEVEL THAT THERE'S NOT A

STATEWIDE SHELTER AT HOME ORDER

LIKE THERE IS IN -- AND THERE'S

ALSO NOT EVEN AN ORDER FOR

BUSINESSES.

THIS IS -- IT'S OVER 80% OF THE

AMERICAN PUBLIC ARE LEVERAGE

UNDER SHELTER AT HOME ORDERS,

AND THIS VIRUS DOESN'T KNOW ANY

BORDERS.

>> WELL, THIS IS MISSOURI, RAY.

I MEAN, I WAS GOING TO SAY, THIS

IS THE KIND OF GUY WE ELECT, BUT

THEN AGAIN, WE DIDN'T ELECT

GOVERNOR PARSON, BUT THIS IS THE

SORT OF THING THAT APPEALS TO A

LOT OF PEOPLE IN MISSOURI.

YOU KNOW, NOBODY IS GOING TO

TELL US WHAT TO DO AND -- I

MEAN, I THINK THERE'S GREAT

SWATHS OF THE STATE THAT STILL

THINK THIS IS, IF NOT A HOAX, A

REAL MEDIA HYPE AND THEY'RE

PROUD OF OUR GOVERNOR.

>> I THINK IT'S TO THE POINT NOW

WHERE IT'S INEXCUSABLE IN JUST

THE NUMBERS THEMSELVES AND IF

YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE CASES,

LIKE RAY WAS SAYING, THEY'RE

THROUGHOUT THE STATE, INCLUDING

ST. CHARLES WHERE YOU HAVE TWO

PEOPLE PASSED AWAY AND 21 OTHERS

HAVE IT IN A SENIOR RESIDENCE

AND YOU HAVE A COUNTY EXECUTIVE

THERE WHO, YOU KNOW, DID NOT

WANT TO PUT FORTH, DICTATE WHICH

BUSINESSES CLOSED AND WHICH

DON'T.

>> BUT HE DID.

BUT HE DID.

>> HE DID, HE DID.

>> YEAH.

>> THIS IS NO FOOLING AROUND AND

WHY OUR STATE ONCE AGAIN HAS TO

BE AMONGST THE BOTTOM.

I WILL THROW IN OKLAHOMA TOO.

I TALKED TO MY BROTHER-IN-LAW

LAST NIGHT AND YOU CAN STILL GO

TO A MEXICAN RESTAURANT NEAR HIM

TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE DINNER.

I THINK IT'S NOT LIKE THAT IN

TULSA, WHATEVER COUNTY TULSA IS

IN, BUT THE REST OF THE STATE UP

FOR GRABS TOO AND APPARENTLY

PEOPLE FROM JOPLIN ARE JUST

GOING OVER THE STATE AND TAKING

WHATEVER THEY HAVE WITH THEM.

>> HE MUST NOT BE INTERESTED IN

RE-ELECTION, BECAUSE MOST OF THE

PEOPLE I KNOW WHO WOULD HAVE

VOTED FOR HIM ARE SOME OF --

AMONG THE ONES WHO ARE MOST

IRATE ABOUT A LACK OF

AGGRESSION, AGGRESSIVENESS ON

THE PART OF THE GOVERNOR.

>> I WILL SAY, I AGREED

GENERALLY WITH WHAT EVERYBODY

HAS SAD.

I THINK RUBEN HAS ACTUALLY DONE

MORE WHEN IT COMES TO COVID-19

THAN THE GOVERNOR.

HOWEVER, YOU GOT TO ADMIT THAT

NOT ALL COUNTIES ARE THE SAME,

AND YOU GO TO ROCKLAND COUNTY,

NEW YORK, WHERE THEY HAVE ABOUT

1500 CASES PER 100,000.

GO TO THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS

WHERE IT'S 43 CASES.

YOU GO TO JASPER COUNTY IN

MISSOURI, IT'S WILL FOUR CASE.

>> BUT CHARLIE, THAT'S DOESN'T

MATTER.

>> LET ME SAY IF I MAY --

>> NO, NO --

>> IF I MAY.

IN JASPER COUNTY, THEY ARE DOING

MORE SOCIALLY DISTANCING NOW AND

THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN, THAN WE

ARE UNDER THE LOCKDOWN.

FOR EXAMPLE, THEIR PARKS ARE

NEVER AS CROWDED AS OUR FOREST

PARK.

THEY DON'T HAVE FARMERS MARKETS

BECAUSE THEY ARE FARMERS.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, FARMERS

MARKETS ARE EXEMPT IN ST. LOUIS

COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE, ALONG WITH,

LIKE, TAXI CABS.

NOW, TAXI CABS MIGHT BE

IMPORTANT TO SOME, BUT YOU CAN'T

TELL ME THAT GETTING INTO A

TAXICAB IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY

PREVENTS YOU FROM GETTING

COVID-19.

>> CHARLIE, THAT PATCHWORK

APPROACH THAT YOU'RE TALKING

ABOUT REALLY OR THAT YOU SEEM TO

BE TALKING ABOUT IS DEADLY

BECAUSE THE LOCALS WHO LIVE IN

ST. LOUIS WHO DON'T THINK THAT

THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE AFRAID

OF, WHO WILL NOT EVER BE TOLD

WHAT TO DO BY ANYBODY, YOU HAVE

TO HAVE A UNIFORM MESSAGE AND

THAT'S WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS

COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF.

EVERYBODY HAS TO BE -- IN MY

MIND, TO MY MIND, EVERYBODY HAS

TO BE FOLLOWING THE SAME SET OF

RULES.

>> CHARLIE, CHARLIE, CAN I SAY

SOMETHING?

THE THING YOU'RE REALLY MISSING

HERE, AND IT'S A BIG PROBLEM, IS

THERE ISN'T ENOUGH TESTING

ANYWHERE BUT --

>> I AGREE.

>> -- ESPECIALLY OUT STATE, SO

WHAT HAPPENS IS FOR EXAMPLE,

KATHY SWAN, A STATE REP WHO'S A

NURSE OF ALL THINGS FROM CAPE

GIRARDEAU GOT UP AND TALKED

ABOUT HOW SHE DIDN'T WANT TO

HEAR A BUNCH OF DOOMSDAY STUFF.

AT THE TIME SHE DID THAT ON MA

MARCH 19th, THERE WERE ZERO

CASES IN CAPE GIRARDEAU AND IT'S

NOW 15 AND IF THE CURVE GROWS

THERE LIKE IT DOES EVERYWHERE

ELSE, THE ONLY THING THAT'S

GOING TO BRING US TOGETHER IS

THE PEOPLE IN RURAL MISSOURI ARE

GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO

ST. LOUIS FOR MEDICAL CARE

BECAUSE WE DIDN'T EXPAND

MEDICAID EXPANSION AND HALF THE

RURAL HOSPITALS ARE CLOSED.

>> CHARLIE, IF I COULD SAY,

AGAIN, I'M REALLY NOT DEFENDING

THE GOVERNOR.

I HEARD BILL GATES, WHO IS THE

SMARTEST GUY I'VE EVER HEARD,

SAY THAT THIS ONLY WORKS IF

EVERYBODY DOES IT.

SO I'M NOT SAYING EVERYBODY

SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT THIS IS

WHAT YOU HAVE TO EXPECT IN

MISSOURI.

THIS GOVERNOR AND A LOT OF

PEOPLE AGREE WITH HIM.

>> CAN I -- PEOPLE ARE SAYING --

LET ME SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THIS

GOVERNOR AND MAYBE THE GOVERNOR

OF NEW YORK, FOR EXAMPLE.

WEREN'T YOU A LITTLE SURPRISED

WHEN -- AND EVERYBODY -- EVEN

WENDY THE OTHER WEEK SAID MAYBE

GOVERNOR CUOMO SHOULD BE

NOMINATED ON THE DEMOCRATIC

TICKET THIS YEAR, AND YEAH, HE'S

GETTING A LOT OF PRAISE, BUT THE

GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK WAITED TILL

YESTERDAY TO CLOSE DOWN

PLAYGROUNDS WHEREAS ST. LOUIS

MAYOR LYDA KREWSON DID IT LAST

FRIDAY.

>> BUT THEY'VE HAD A SHELTER IN

PLACE.

THEY CAN'T GO -- I MEAN, I'M

SURPRISED THAT IT TOOK HIM THAT

LONG TO GET AROUND TO THAT, BUT

TO ME, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD -- I

THINK HE HAS OTHER THINGS ON HIS

TO-DO LIST.

>> NO, HE DOESN'T.

NOT AT THIS POINT.

THAT IS HIS MOST IMPORTANT JOB

AS HE KNOWS.

>> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN -- YOU

CANNOT QUESTION WHAT THE

GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK HAS DONE.

HE'S 48 HOURS BEHIND LYDA

KREWSON, THAT'S ONE THING,

BUT --

>> CHARLIE, COME ON --

>> NEW YORK IS GROUND ZERO,

CHARLIE.

>> EXACTLY.

>> AND NEW YORK IS ALSO --

>> IT SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN HIM

THAT LONG TO CLOSE THE

PLAYGROUND.

>> NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO GO

OUTSIDE.

>> YES, THEY CAN.

THEY CAN EXERCISE OUTSIDE.

>> OKAY.

>> CHARLIE --

>> NEW YORK IS DIFFERENT THAN

OTHER PLACES, CHARLIE, IN THAT

SERIOUSLY A PLAYGROUND IS ALMOST

KIDS IN THE HEART OF NEW YORK

HAVE AND YOU TAKE THAT AWAY,

THERE'S NO YARD, THERE'S NO --

>> OKAY, OKAY, NOT DOING THIS

FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT.

IN ST. LOUIS, AS YOU KNOW, YOU

CAN GO TO A LIQUOR STORE AND YOU

CAN GET RECREATIONAL POT IN

ILLINOIS AND YOU CAN ALSO -- YOU

CAN GO TO A B&B, A BED AND

BREAKFAST IS EXEMPT IN ST. LOUIS

COUNTY, SO DON'T SIT IN JUDGMENT

OF ADAIR COUNTY WHERE THEY

DIDN'T ANY BED AND BREAKFASTS.

>> I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE BED

AND BREAKFAST.

>> ON MY SHOW LAST NIGHT, I

HAPPENED TO HAVE MIKE

SOUTHERLAND, AND HE HAD AN

INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE.

THEY JUST CLOSED -- IT'S UP TO

PARSON TO CLOSE THE PARKS, BUT

LIKE ILLINOIS HAS, ALL OF

ILLINOIS'S PARKS ARE CLOSED AND

PEOPLE ARE STREAMING OVER HERE

FROM ILLINOIS TO GO TO MISSOURI

PARKS, BUT HE CLOSED CASTLE WOOD

PARK AND I ASKED HIM ABOUT THIS.

WHEN HE CLOSED ELEPHANT ROCK

PARK, WHICH IS OUT IN RURAL

MISSOURI, HE SAYS IT WAS ABOUT

THE SAME RESPONSE, ABOUT 50-50,

THAT THE PEOPLE IN THAT REGION

WERE PRETTY MUCH HAPPY THAT --

NOT TO HAVE PEOPLE BRINGING --

THEY WEREN'T LOOKING FOR TOURISM

RIGHT NOW.

SO IT'S NOT QUITE CLEARLY

URBAN-RURAL, BUT THE POINT IS

PEOPLE IN RURAL MISSOURI ARE

MORE LIKELY, REALLY THROUGH NO

FAULT OF THEIR OWN BECAUSE

THEY'RE NOT BEING TESTED, TO

UNDERESTIMATE THIS VIRUS AND

THIS IS A VIRUS FOR THE WHOLE

COUNTRY, NOT --

>> OKAY, RAY, I -- DO YOU WANT

TO CLOSE FOREST PARK?

I MEAN, I'M WALKING IF FOREST

PARK EVERY SINGLE DAY.

I MEAN, I'M CAREFUL, BUT I HATE

TO SEE THAT CLOSE.

>> EVENTUALLY, BILL, I WOULD NOT

BE SURPRISED.

THEY HAVE -- LOOK AT HOW MUCH

THEY --

>> I AGREE WITH YOU, WENDY.

IT MIGHT HAPPEN.

>> YEAH, YEAH.

>> AND THE ANSWER IS AT LEAST

PEOPLE HAVE TO PRACTICE THE

SOCIAL DISTANCING.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

>> AND I THINK THE PARKS

DEPARTMENT IS DOING AS WELL AS

IT COULD UNDER THE

CIRCUMSTANCES.

THE POINT IS YOU GOT TO PRACTICE

SOCIAL DISTANCING.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> AND THE PEDIATRICIANS WILL

TELL YOU KIDS DON'T DO THAT.

>> IF I MIGHT, WILL IT'S GO TO

WENDY ON THIS -- LET'S GO TO

WENDY ON THIS NEXT TOPIC, WHICH

WENDY, MAYBE YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO

ME SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT WAS

REALLY UNUSUAL THIS PAST WEEK

WHEN FORMER GOVERNOR GREITENS

SHOWED UP AT A PHOTO OP WITH FOX

2, PRIVATE PHOTOGRAPHER, TAKING

HIS PHOTOS UNLOADING MASKS WHICH

HE HAD KIND OF DONATED THROUGH

THE ST. LOUIS FIRE DEPARTMENT

FOUNDATION TO THE FIRE

DEPARTMENT.

APPARENTLY HE HAD LINED UP THE

SPONSORS TO BUY THE MASKS.

WHERE HE GOT THEM, I DON'T KNOW.

AND THEN THERE WERE PHOTOS OF

HIM UNLOADING THEM AND THEN HE

DID THE NEXT THING -- THE SAME

THING, RATHER, THE NEXT DAY IN

KANSAS CITY TO THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT.

EMD HE WOULD NOT ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS AND, OF COURSE, THIS

IS THE GOVERNOR WHO TWO YEARS

AGO RESIGNED UNDER A CLOUD OF

CONTROVERSY.

WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON?

>> AND DON'T FORGET EXERCISE

EQUIPMENT UNDER THE CLOUD OF

CONTROVERSY AND EXERCISE

EQUIPMENT.

I HAVE NO IDEA, BUT I THINK

THE -- ONE OF THE QUICKEST WAYS

TO ENSURE THAT YOU BECOME A

POLITICAL NON-ENTITY AND A

CULTURAL PARIAH -- AND WE'VE

SEEN THIS AT EVERY LEVEL, STATE,

FEDERAL, WHITE HOUSE, AND NOW I

THINK WE'RE SEEING IT WITH

GOVERNOR -- FORMER GOVERNOR

GREITENS.

ANYBODY WHO USES THE PANDEMIC AS

A CAMPAIGN RALLY OR ANYTHING

THAT LOOKS REMOTELY LIKE A

CAMPAIGN RALLY, I THINK WILL

INCUR THE WRATH OF THE VOTERS AT

THE BALLOT BOX.

I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE A FEW

OUT THERE WHO MAYBE HAVE SOME

AGAIN -- GENETIC PREDISPOSITION

OR SOMETHING, BUT WHO ARE MOVED

BY IT, BUT THE TIMING AT THIS

MOMENT TO LOOK LIKE YOU'RE GRAND

STANDING, TO MY ESTIMATION, IS

POLITICAL DEATH AND IF I WERE

ADVISING HIM ON BECOMING A

PHOENIX WHO'S TRYING TO RISE

FROM THE ASHES, I WOULD TELL HIM

TO KNOCK THAT OFF.

IF YOU -- YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE

GOING TO DO SOMETHING GOOD, IT

ONLY REALLY COUNTS WHEN NOBODY

KNOWS THAT YOU'RE DOING IT, IN

MY OPINION.

>> WELL, YOU HAVE TO THINK,

HERE'S THE GUY WHO WAS ON A

SHORT LIST OF POTENTIAL

PRESIDENTS AND HE HAD A RESUME

TO DIE FOR, AND HE WAS SMART,

GOOD-LOOKING AND A GREAT TALKER,

AND BOOM, HE COLLAPSED.

IT WOULD BE SO HARD NOT TO TRY

TO MAKE A COMEBACK AND ALL THE

PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THEY WERE

BUYING IN EARLY HAD TO BE IN

SHOCK, AND THEY FIGURE, WHAT'S A

LITTLE MORE MONEY.

I MEAN, WHY NOT?

I MEAN, I DISLIKE GREITENS, I'M

NOT A FAN OF GREITENS, BUT IT'S

HARDLY SURPRISING TO SEE HIM TRY

TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ANYTHING.

>> I AGREE WITH --

>> WHY DID HE HAVE TO GO THROUGH

THE FIREFIGHTERS FOUNDATION?

IS ANYBODY ABLE --

>> I HAVE NO IDEA, WENDY.

>> I AGREE WITH -- GO AHEAD.

S.

>> SO THE DONORS COULD GET A TAX

BREAK.

>> MAYBE SO, BUT I'M NOT A CON,

BUT IT TAKES A CON TO SPOT ONE,

AND LET ME TELL YOU WHAT,

CONNING, GRIFTING, TRYING TO

FIND A WAY, AS BILL SAID, TO DIG

YOUR WAY OUT OF THE RUBBLE.

YOU CAN'T PUT ENOUGH CHAINS ON

SOMEBODY FROM STL THAT THEY

DON'T BUBBLE UP OUT OF THE

BOTTOM OF THE RIVER.

HE'S JUST PLAYING THE BIG TIME

AND HOW DO YOU DO IT?

ALL RIGHT, I GET THESE MASKS AND

I GO THROUGH THE KANSAS CITY

POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE YOU

CAN'T BE MAD AT THE POLICE OR

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

PLUS A LOT OF THEM SUPPORT ME.

I'M NOT SURPRISED EITHER.

THIS IS WHAT A CON DOES.

THIS IS WHAT A FLIMFLAM MAN

DOES, AND HE JUST IS PLAYING

EVERY CARD IN THE DECK AND HE

HAS ABOUT 72 OF THEM INSTEAD OF

52.

SO I'M NOT SURPRISED AT ALL.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S THE BOOK

OF CONS.

>> CHARLIE, I HAVE A SLIGHTLY

DIFFERENT -- FIRST OF ALL, I

AGREE COMPLETELY WITH WENDY

ABOUT THE POLITICS OF IT, BUT

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY ONE

THING, WHICH IS GOOD FOR HIM

THAT HE'S DOING IT.

MEANING, I DON'T CARE IF

AL-QAEDA IS GIVING US MASKS, WE

NEED MASKS, SO I THINK THE FACT

THAT HE'S DOING IT IS A

COMMENDABLE THING.

I THINK POLITICALLY, I THOUGHT

IT WAS HILARIOUS ON A COUPLE OF

FRONTS.

IF YOU LISTEN TO THE FIRE CHIEF

BEING INTERVIEWED, FIRST HE SAID

HE'S DONATING THE MONEY AND THEN

HE SAID, HE'S RAISED THE MONEY.

I WAS LIKE, THIS IS THE BEST USE

OF DARK MONEY THAT HE'S EVER HAD

DONE AND WHERE HE'S TAKING IT,

IT'S ALMOST LIKE A ROBIN HOOD

THING.

I THOUGHT THE IRONIC THING, AND

I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WENDY'S

ANALYSIS, HE WOULDN'T TALK TO

THE MEDIA.

BY THE WAY, HE'S DOOPG IT HERE,

SOUTHEAST MISSOURI, KANSAS CITY,

AND I THINK SPRINGFIELD.

THIS IS A TOUR.

YOU LOOK ON HIS TWITTER PAGE,

AND THAT'S THE THING ABOUT IT.

HE'S NOT TALKING TO THE MEDIA

BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO LOOK

LIKE HE'S SHOW BOATING, BUT HE'S

STEERING LIKE NAVY SEAL HOO-YA

AND THUL TO THINKS 85 -- AND ALL

THIS TO HIS 85,000 TWITTER

FOLLOWERS.

>> IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING, I'LL

TELL YOU THAT.

WHAT'S NEXT WEEK?

IS STEVE STENGER GOING TO

DELIVER VENTILATORS?

>> PROBABLY NOT.

>> IF HE COULD GET OUT, HE'D

HAVE THAT PATRIOTS PLANE FLYING

DOWN HERE WITH SOMETHING ON IT.

>> ALVIN REID, I WANT TO ASK YOU

ABOUT A TOPIC WE COVERED BEFORE,

BUT IT WAS REPORTED BY THE

POST-DISPATCH AND OTHERS THAT

WHEN LOCAL JUDGES DID RELEASE

OFFENDERS FROM THE JAILS DUE TO

FEAR OF CORONAVIRUS, THEY DID

RELEASE SOME WITH VIOLENT

RECORDS, INCLUDING ONE WHO IS

ACCUSED OF MOLESTING A YOUNG

GIRL.

THAT WAS IN THE COUNTY, AND IN

THE CITY, A FELLOW WHO ROBBED A

WOMAN AT GUN POINT AND THE WOMAN

WAS NOT ASKED IF SHE HAD ANY

OPINION ON THE RELEASE NOR WAS

THE GIRL OR THE FAMILY IN THE

COUNTY INVOLVED IN THE

MOLESTATION CASE.

AND THERE WERE OTHER CASES

INVOLVING CARJACKING AND

FIREARMS AND MORE WHERE INMATES

HAVE BEEN RELEASED.

I MEAN, THIS IS -- THIS IS NOT

GOOD AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

IS THIS GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE IN

GREATER NUMBERS MOVE TO

ST. CHARLES?

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> WELL, I THINK THERE WAS QUITE

A RUSH TO GET THIS DONE AND I

WOULD THINK BOTH PROSECUTORS,

MAYBE THE PLAY HERE WOULD HAVE

BEEN LIKE, WE DON'T NEED TO LET

ANYBODY OUT UNTIL I'M SURE THE

JUDGES OR THE TWO JUDGES

INVOLVED WERE GOING TO NOT LET

ANY VIOLENT CRIMINALS OUT, OR AT

LEAST THE -- YOU KNOW, THE

ALLEGED VIOLENT CRIMINALS.

NOW, IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY, YOU

KNOW, THE POOR FAMILY FINDS OUT

THAT THIS GUY IS ON THE LOOSE

FROM A REPORTER?

I MEAN, THAT'S INEXCUSABLE AND

YOU GOT TO THINK AHEAD ENOUGH TO

HEAD THAT OFF AT THE PASS.

I THOUGHT IT WAS RUSHED INTO.

I'M GLAD THAT IT IS ON RECORD,

BOTH PROSECUTORS, YOU KNOW,

OBJECTED TO SOME OF THESE FOLKS'

RELEASE, BUT I MEAN, BY THAT

TIME THE HORSE IS ALREADY OUT OF

THE BARN AND I THINK WE WERE

JUST IN A RUSH TO DO THIS.

IT'S TERRIBLE TO BE IN JAIL AT A

TIME LIKE THIS, BUT IT'S TO

WORSE THAN BEING IN A SENIOR

RESIDENCE, OKAY?

IT'S WHERE YOU'RE AT, YOU'RE

GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

>> I JUST THOUGHT THERE WAS A

RUSH AND I'M SURPRISED AT ALL

THAT THIS HAPPENED.

THAT'S WHY I WAS FEARFUL OF IT

IN THE FIRST PLACE.

>> I DON'T COMPLETELY AGREE

BECAUSE, FIRST OF ALL, THE IDEA

OF RELEASING NONVIOLENT FOLKS,

PARTICULARLY THOSE AWAITING

TRIAL, RIGHT NOW IS IMPORTANT

FOR ONE POPULATION THAT I KNOW

KIM GARDNER HAS TALKED ABOUT,

WHO'S A FORMER NURSE, AND THAT

IS THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE

JAIL.

THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT THEM.

IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF

PROTECTING THE INMATES, WHICH

SHOULD MATTER TO US, BUT ALSO

THE GOOD PEOPLE WHO ARE RICKING

THEIR LIVES WITH THIS TYPE

POPULATION.

SO THERE'S THAT.

THE THING THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME

ABOUT THE STORY IS KIM GARDNER

HAS RELEASED ZERO PEOPLE.

WESLEY BELL HAS RELEASED ZERO

PEOPLE.

THEY HAVE THE SAME ABILITY TO

GET PEOPLE OUT OF JAIL THAT THE

FIVE OF US HAVE.

THE FACT IS, IT'S UP TO JUDGES

AND DO THEY MAKE BAD JUDGMENTS

SOMETIMES?

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REPORTING,

FOR EXAMPLE -- THEN YOU HAVE

PEOPLE LIKE ERIC SCHMITT PILING

ON AND KIM GARDNER IS ON TOP OF

IT --

>> RAY, RAY, LET ME STEP IN.

>> OUT OF TEN PEOPLE HE CITED,

KIM GARDNER HAD OPPOSED THE

RELEASE OF EIGHT OF THEM.

>> I KNOW YOU LIKE TO DEFEND KIM

GARDNER, BUT WHEN KIM GARDNER

AND WESLEY BELL PUSH HARD FOR

THIS RELEASE AND THEY PUSHED

VERY HARD FOR THE RELEASE OF THE

NONVIOLENT PRISONERS, ALL OF A

SUDDEN PRISONERS WHO SHOULDN'T

BE RELEASED ARE RELEASED AND ALL

OF A SUDDEN, WELL, KIM'S GOT

NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

SHE DOES.

IF YOU MAKE A BIG DEAL ABOUT

WHERE PEOPLE GO --

>> I AGREE, THIS IS --

>> THIS IS HER RESPONSIBILITY.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE JUDGES?

>> WHAT ABOUT THEM?

>> THE JUDGE DOESN'T HAVE TO

ACCEPT -- LITERALLY --

>> NO, RAY, THIS IS WHY YOU --

>> THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY CAN COME

IN AND BEG THE JUDGE TO LET

SOMEBODY GO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO

LET ANYBODY GO.

>> KIM GARDNER AND WESLEY BELL

WERE THE BIG MOVERS BEHIND THN

ATHOUGHT AT THE TIME IT WAS A

GOOD IDEA, BUT YOU CAN'T JUST

SAY THEY'RE GREAT FOR DOING THIS

AND WHEN THE WRONG PEOPLE GET

RELEASED, SAY, WELL, KIM'S GOT

NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

>> I'M SAYING THE JUDGES ARE THE

ONES DOING THE RELEASING.

>> I'M NOT A PROSECUTOR AND I

SAID TWO WEEKS AGO THIS IS A BAD

IDEA.

I DON'T HAVE A LAW DEGREE, I'M

NOT A PROSECUTOR, BUT IF I WAS,

THE FIRST THING TILLED BE

THINKING ABOUT IS NOT THE POOR

SOULS THAT ARE IN JAIL, BUT WHAT

IF SOMEBODY GETS OUT THAT'S NOT

SUPPOSED TO.

INSTEAD OF JUST LAUNCHING INTO,

WE GOT TO HELP THESE PEOPLE --

>> I WANT TO ASK YOU --

>> I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE

OF A PERN --

>> LET ME ASK YOU, BILL, ABOUT

THE AUTHORITIES ARE ASKING US AS

CITIZENS NOW TO TURN IN PEOPLE

WHO ARE NOT SOCIALLY DISTANCING,

EITHER IN LARGE GROUPS OR

BUSINESSES WHICH ARE OPEN IN

VIOLATION OF THE STAY IN PLACE

GUIDELINES.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT ORDINARY

CITIZENS DROPPING A DIME ON

THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS IN THIS

CORONAVIRUS CRISIS?

>> I'VE CALLED IN ON THREE OF MY

NEIGHBORS, CHARLIE, SO I --

[ LAUGHTER ]

I HAVE REALLY MIXED FEELINGS

ABOUT IT, AND YOU KNOW, IF

SOMETHING WERE REALLY OBVIOUS,

LIKE IF YOU DROVE PAST A PARK

AND THERE WAS A PARTY GOING ON,

I COULD SEE SOMEBODY SAYING WE

OUGHT TO ALERT THE AUTHORITIES.

BUT TRYING TO WATCH TO SEE IF

PEOPLE ARE KEEPING THEIR

SIX-FOOT DISTANCE, I MEAN -- AND

ON THE POOR POLICE, I WOULDN'T

WANT TO BE A COP, YOU KNOW,

ANSWERING CALLS ABOUT, YOU KNOW,

THEY'RE DOING IT AGAIN, THERE'S

THREE OF THEM.

SO I'M NOT VERY ENTHUSED ABOUT

PEOPLE CALLING IN ON, YOU KNOW,

VIOLATIONS OF THE SOCIAL

DISTANCING.

>> WELL, I THINK FOR THAT VERY

REASON YOU MENTIONED, BILL, THE

FACT THAT THE POLICE ARE, YOU

KNOW, PROBABLY BUSIER THAN EVER,

I DO THINK THAT AS RESIDENTS OF

THE CITY OR COUNTY, OBVIOUSLY IN

THE COUNTY THEY'RE ASKING US TO

KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR BUSINESSES

THAT ARE VIOLATING THE ORDER TO

CLOSE, IF THEY ARE DEEMED

NON-ESSENTIAL, BECAUSE, YOU

KNOW, WE WERE -- THIS IS -- IT

SORT OF FEELS LIKE A TERRORIST

ATTACK AND, YOU KNOW ARE WE'RE

ALWAYS TOLD BACK WHEN IF YOU SEE

SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING.

AND SO I THINK THAT MAYBE MAKING

A CALL OR DROPPING A DIME TO

SAVE A LIFE, IF YOU WILL.

>> WELL, I THINK WHEN HOBBY

LOBBY GOT DECLARED NONESSENTIAL

TODAY, AT LEAST SOME PLACES,

MAYBE NOT EVERYWHERE, AND I

DON'T REALLY LIKE HOBBY LOBBY,

BUT I WOULDN'T DROP A DIME ON

HOBBY LOBBY.

>> BUT THEY'RE ENDANGERING THE

LIVES OF --

>> I'M WITH WENDY.

THIS IS A GLOBAL PANDEMIC.

THIS ISN'T LIKE NARC'ING ON

SOMEBODY.

THIS IS A GLOBAL PANDEMIC WHERE

PEOPLE WHO ARE VIOLATING THE

LAWS OF SOCIAL -- AND I DON'T

EVEN EVERY GROUP OF TWO OR THREE

PEOPLE WALKING ON THE STREET,

BUT IN TERMS OF BUSINESSES

OPERATING IN DEFIANCE OF THE

RULES --

>> THIS IS A DIFFERENT THING.

I THOUGHT THIS WAS CALLING IN ON

YOUR NEIGHBORS.

>> NO, PART OF IT IS BUSINESSES,

AND I AGREE WITH YOU, BILL.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CALL ON TWO

OF YOUR NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE

STREET, BUT THE IDEA IF YOU SEE

A GROUP GATHERING OR YOU SEE A

BUSINESS THAT'S VIOLATING THE

ORDERS THAT OTHER BUSINESSES --

WENDY IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THIS IS A GLOBAL PANDEMIC.

YOU ARE ENDANGERING OUR LIVES

AND EVERYBODY.

>> WELL, BILL, WHAT DO YOU THINK

OF, RIGHT NOW AS OF YESTERDAY

ANYWAY, THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS

DID RELEASE INFORMATION ABOUT

THOSE WHO TESTED POSITIVE AND

WHAT ZIP CODES THEY'RE LIVING

IN, BUT I DID HEAR FROM ONE

ST. LOUIS BUSINESSMAN WHO HAS AN

OFFICE IN PITTSBURGH, IN

ALLEGHENY COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA,

WHERE THEY NOT ONLY RELEASE

THAT, BUT THEY'LL RELEASE, FOR

EXAMPLE, THE AGE AND THE RACE

AND THE GENDER OF THE PERSON WHO

IS TESTING POSITIVE.

YOU THINK WE NEED MORE

INFORMATION LOCALLY ABOUT THAT?

>> YEAH, I DO.

I THINK THAT THE INFORMATION IS

REALLY HELPFUL TO PEOPLE, AND I

WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE

INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE'S

CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU

READ THAT A 40-YEAR-OLD MAN,

YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW IF AT THE HAD

PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS AND

EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE AND WHERE

THESE THINGS ARE OCCURRING.

I KNOW THE REPORTERS AT THE

PAPER ARE, YOU KNOW, RUNNING

AROUND AND TRYING TO GET AS MUCH

INFORMATION AS THEY CAN, AND THE

CITY IS FINALLY AT LEAST GIVING

OUT ZIP CODES, WHICH IS A GOOD

THING.

BUT I THINK THE MORE

INFORMATION, THE BETTER.

EXCEPT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT IN

FAVOR OF SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW,

SO-AND-SO OF THE -- AND GIVE AN

ADDRESS.

BUT LIKE BUSINESSES, I THINK WE

OUGHT TO KNOW WHAT BUSINESSES

HAVE HAD EMPLOYEES INFECTED,

SURE.

>> BUT DON'T WE?

I MEAN, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION

TODAY AT THE RADIO STATION.

DIERBERGS HAS ANNOUNCED WHEN ANY

OF THEIR -- SO THAT IS

HAPPENING, RIGHT?

>> YES, BUT I THINK, WENDY, THAT

THAT'S RIGHT NOW UP TO THE

INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES.

LIKE I DON'T THINK THAT -- SIT

THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT

RELEASING THAT?

>> I'M NOT SURE.

>> I STAND CORRECTED IF THAT'S

THE CASE.

>> I, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T --

>> ANY KIND OF SOCIAL TRACING

THAT CAN BE DONE, AND I AGREE

WITH YOU, CONSISTENT WITH

PEOPLE'S PERSONAL PRIVACY.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE, YOU

KNOW, IDENTIFYING INDIVIDUAL A,

BUT IF SOMEBODY WAS OUT -- FOR

EXAMPLE, I THINK THERE WAS A

SCHNUCKS STORE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER, THEY'VE ALL

BEEN -- I THINK OUR GROCERY

STORES HAVE REALLY BEEN AMAZING.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

HEY, A MINUTE TO GO --

>> IT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

>> ABOUT A MINUTE TO GO, WHAT DO

YOU THINK OF JOSH HAWLEY, U.S.

SENATOR IN MISSOURI, WHO'S

AGAINST A BAILOUT FOR THE CRUISE

LINES?

>> WELL, I DON'T --

>> OH, I THOUGHT HE WAS TALKING

TO ME.

>> GO AHEAD, BILL.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, AS I

UNDERSTAND IT, HE'S AGAINST

GIVING BAILOUT MONEY TO THE

CRUISE SHIPS THAT ARE REGISTERED

IN OTHER COUNTRIES AND I THINK

THAT'S -- I THINK HE'S RIGHT ON

THE MONEY.

>> I THINK LIKE A WALMART IS

REGISTERED IN THE UNITED STATES

AND 75% OF THE PRODUCTS ARE FROM

ANOTHER COUNTRY.

ALSO, IT'S A GOOD FORMER

ST. LOUISAN, HE THINK HE STILL

LIVES HERE, USED TO BE CEO OF

CARNIVAL, ARNOLD DONALD.

I DON'T KNOW IF JOSH KNOWS HIS

ST. LOUIS CONNECTION TO ALL

THIS, BUT A CRUISE SHIP MIGHT BE

REGISTERED SOMEPLACE ELSE, BUT

MILLIONS OF AMERICANS PAY FOR

CRUISES AND THEY LIKE TO CRUISE

AND I THINK TO PICK ON -- ONCE

AGAIN, YOU'RE PICKING ON ONE

INDUSTRY FOR SOME REASON AND A

LOT OF OTHERS ARE SKATING, AND I

JUST THINK IT'S --

>> WOULD GOOD --

[ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ]

>> FOR ONES, I'M WITH JOSH.

>> CRUISE LINE EMPLOYEES ARE

ALSO FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.

>> RAY WAS WITH JOSH HAWLEY AND

WE'RE OUT OF TIME.

>> BUT CRUISE LINES ARE NOT

AMERICAN COMPANIES.

>> FOR THE NEXT EDITION OF

BELIEVE IT OR NOT, RAY WAS WITH

JOSH HAWLEY.

>> ONE TIME.

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