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>> THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR
THIS EDITION OF DONNYBROOK.
GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US.
IT'S THE THIRD WEEK IN A ROW
THAT WE'RE SOCIALLY DISTANCING,
AND WE'VE GOT A LOT TO TALK
ABOUT AS YOU KNOW.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR INVITING
US INTO YOUR LIVING ROOM.
WELL, KIND OF LIKE HOLLYWOOD
SQUARES, SO FIRST WE'D LIKE TO
WELCOME NANETTE FABRAY, AKK
WENDY WIESE, THE NEWS DIRECTOR
OF THE COUNTY RS.
MR. CHARLIE WEAVER, WHO IS BILL
McCLELLAN FROM THE ST. LOUIS
POST-DISPATCH.
WE SOMETIMES CALL HIM RAY
HARTMANN, BUT HE LOOKS MORE LIKE
PAUL LIND TO ME FROM THE
RIVERFRONT TIMES AND THE BIG 550
KTRS AND, OF COURSE, WALLY COX,
AKA ALVIN REID, FROM 97.1.
>> HI, KITTY!
HI, KITTY!
>> WHO WAS THAT, ALVIN?
>> THAT WAS RUBEN.
I'M TRYING TO KEEP HIM IN CAT
FOOD, SO HE HAD TO WORK TOO.
>> WE'LL SEND HIM THE USUAL FEE.
WE WANT TO EXPRESS THE HAPPIEST
OF BIRTHDAYS TODAY TO SOPHIA
MORENO WHO YOU SAW LAST WEEK AND
HOW MANY IS SHE TODAY?
>> THIS MANY.
>> WELL, RAY HARTMANN, YOU'RE
GOING TO BE SOCIALING DISTANCING
YOURSELF FROM THE GOVERNOR, MIKE
PARSON, OR HE'LL BE SOCIALLY
DISTANCING HIMSELF FROM YOU IF
HE READS THIS WEEK'S RIVERFRONT
TIMES.
YOU THINK MIKE PARSON IS DOING
AS LITTLE OR MAYBE EVEN LESS
WHEN IT COMES TO COVID-19 THAN
ANY OTHER GOVERNOR IN THE
COUNTRY.
>> KANSAS CITY STAR REPORTED HE
WAS IN A RACE TO THE BOTTOM
WITH, I WANT TO SAY THE
GOVERNORS OF THEE OTHER STATES.
I THINK IT WAS NEBRASKA, IOWA,
AND TENNESSEE, AS GOVERNORS WHO
HAVE DONE THE LEAST ABOUT THIS.
IT IS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE ON
EVERY LEVEL THAT THERE'S NOT A
STATEWIDE SHELTER AT HOME ORDER
LIKE THERE IS IN -- AND THERE'S
ALSO NOT EVEN AN ORDER FOR
BUSINESSES.
THIS IS -- IT'S OVER 80% OF THE
AMERICAN PUBLIC ARE LEVERAGE
UNDER SHELTER AT HOME ORDERS,
AND THIS VIRUS DOESN'T KNOW ANY
BORDERS.
>> WELL, THIS IS MISSOURI, RAY.
I MEAN, I WAS GOING TO SAY, THIS
IS THE KIND OF GUY WE ELECT, BUT
THEN AGAIN, WE DIDN'T ELECT
GOVERNOR PARSON, BUT THIS IS THE
SORT OF THING THAT APPEALS TO A
LOT OF PEOPLE IN MISSOURI.
YOU KNOW, NOBODY IS GOING TO
TELL US WHAT TO DO AND -- I
MEAN, I THINK THERE'S GREAT
SWATHS OF THE STATE THAT STILL
THINK THIS IS, IF NOT A HOAX, A
REAL MEDIA HYPE AND THEY'RE
PROUD OF OUR GOVERNOR.
>> I THINK IT'S TO THE POINT NOW
WHERE IT'S INEXCUSABLE IN JUST
THE NUMBERS THEMSELVES AND IF
YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE CASES,
LIKE RAY WAS SAYING, THEY'RE
THROUGHOUT THE STATE, INCLUDING
ST. CHARLES WHERE YOU HAVE TWO
PEOPLE PASSED AWAY AND 21 OTHERS
HAVE IT IN A SENIOR RESIDENCE
AND YOU HAVE A COUNTY EXECUTIVE
THERE WHO, YOU KNOW, DID NOT
WANT TO PUT FORTH, DICTATE WHICH
BUSINESSES CLOSED AND WHICH
DON'T.
>> BUT HE DID.
BUT HE DID.
>> HE DID, HE DID.
>> YEAH.
>> THIS IS NO FOOLING AROUND AND
WHY OUR STATE ONCE AGAIN HAS TO
BE AMONGST THE BOTTOM.
I WILL THROW IN OKLAHOMA TOO.
I TALKED TO MY BROTHER-IN-LAW
LAST NIGHT AND YOU CAN STILL GO
TO A MEXICAN RESTAURANT NEAR HIM
TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE DINNER.
I THINK IT'S NOT LIKE THAT IN
TULSA, WHATEVER COUNTY TULSA IS
IN, BUT THE REST OF THE STATE UP
FOR GRABS TOO AND APPARENTLY
PEOPLE FROM JOPLIN ARE JUST
GOING OVER THE STATE AND TAKING
WHATEVER THEY HAVE WITH THEM.
>> HE MUST NOT BE INTERESTED IN
RE-ELECTION, BECAUSE MOST OF THE
PEOPLE I KNOW WHO WOULD HAVE
VOTED FOR HIM ARE SOME OF --
AMONG THE ONES WHO ARE MOST
IRATE ABOUT A LACK OF
AGGRESSION, AGGRESSIVENESS ON
THE PART OF THE GOVERNOR.
>> I WILL SAY, I AGREED
GENERALLY WITH WHAT EVERYBODY
HAS SAD.
I THINK RUBEN HAS ACTUALLY DONE
MORE WHEN IT COMES TO COVID-19
THAN THE GOVERNOR.
HOWEVER, YOU GOT TO ADMIT THAT
NOT ALL COUNTIES ARE THE SAME,
AND YOU GO TO ROCKLAND COUNTY,
NEW YORK, WHERE THEY HAVE ABOUT
1500 CASES PER 100,000.
GO TO THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS
WHERE IT'S 43 CASES.
YOU GO TO JASPER COUNTY IN
MISSOURI, IT'S WILL FOUR CASE.
>> BUT CHARLIE, THAT'S DOESN'T
MATTER.
>> LET ME SAY IF I MAY --
>> NO, NO --
>> IF I MAY.
IN JASPER COUNTY, THEY ARE DOING
MORE SOCIALLY DISTANCING NOW AND
THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN, THAN WE
ARE UNDER THE LOCKDOWN.
FOR EXAMPLE, THEIR PARKS ARE
NEVER AS CROWDED AS OUR FOREST
PARK.
THEY DON'T HAVE FARMERS MARKETS
BECAUSE THEY ARE FARMERS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, FARMERS
MARKETS ARE EXEMPT IN ST. LOUIS
COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE, ALONG WITH,
LIKE, TAXI CABS.
NOW, TAXI CABS MIGHT BE
IMPORTANT TO SOME, BUT YOU CAN'T
TELL ME THAT GETTING INTO A
TAXICAB IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY
PREVENTS YOU FROM GETTING
COVID-19.
>> CHARLIE, THAT PATCHWORK
APPROACH THAT YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT REALLY OR THAT YOU SEEM TO
BE TALKING ABOUT IS DEADLY
BECAUSE THE LOCALS WHO LIVE IN
ST. LOUIS WHO DON'T THINK THAT
THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE AFRAID
OF, WHO WILL NOT EVER BE TOLD
WHAT TO DO BY ANYBODY, YOU HAVE
TO HAVE A UNIFORM MESSAGE AND
THAT'S WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS
COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF.
EVERYBODY HAS TO BE -- IN MY
MIND, TO MY MIND, EVERYBODY HAS
TO BE FOLLOWING THE SAME SET OF
RULES.
>> CHARLIE, CHARLIE, CAN I SAY
SOMETHING?
THE THING YOU'RE REALLY MISSING
HERE, AND IT'S A BIG PROBLEM, IS
THERE ISN'T ENOUGH TESTING
ANYWHERE BUT --
>> I AGREE.
>> -- ESPECIALLY OUT STATE, SO
WHAT HAPPENS IS FOR EXAMPLE,
KATHY SWAN, A STATE REP WHO'S A
NURSE OF ALL THINGS FROM CAPE
GIRARDEAU GOT UP AND TALKED
ABOUT HOW SHE DIDN'T WANT TO
HEAR A BUNCH OF DOOMSDAY STUFF.
AT THE TIME SHE DID THAT ON MA
MARCH 19th, THERE WERE ZERO
CASES IN CAPE GIRARDEAU AND IT'S
NOW 15 AND IF THE CURVE GROWS
THERE LIKE IT DOES EVERYWHERE
ELSE, THE ONLY THING THAT'S
GOING TO BRING US TOGETHER IS
THE PEOPLE IN RURAL MISSOURI ARE
GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO
ST. LOUIS FOR MEDICAL CARE
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T EXPAND
MEDICAID EXPANSION AND HALF THE
RURAL HOSPITALS ARE CLOSED.
>> CHARLIE, IF I COULD SAY,
AGAIN, I'M REALLY NOT DEFENDING
THE GOVERNOR.
I HEARD BILL GATES, WHO IS THE
SMARTEST GUY I'VE EVER HEARD,
SAY THAT THIS ONLY WORKS IF
EVERYBODY DOES IT.
SO I'M NOT SAYING EVERYBODY
SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THIS IS
WHAT YOU HAVE TO EXPECT IN
MISSOURI.
THIS GOVERNOR AND A LOT OF
PEOPLE AGREE WITH HIM.
>> CAN I -- PEOPLE ARE SAYING --
LET ME SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THIS
GOVERNOR AND MAYBE THE GOVERNOR
OF NEW YORK, FOR EXAMPLE.
WEREN'T YOU A LITTLE SURPRISED
WHEN -- AND EVERYBODY -- EVEN
WENDY THE OTHER WEEK SAID MAYBE
GOVERNOR CUOMO SHOULD BE
NOMINATED ON THE DEMOCRATIC
TICKET THIS YEAR, AND YEAH, HE'S
GETTING A LOT OF PRAISE, BUT THE
GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK WAITED TILL
YESTERDAY TO CLOSE DOWN
PLAYGROUNDS WHEREAS ST. LOUIS
MAYOR LYDA KREWSON DID IT LAST
FRIDAY.
>> BUT THEY'VE HAD A SHELTER IN
PLACE.
THEY CAN'T GO -- I MEAN, I'M
SURPRISED THAT IT TOOK HIM THAT
LONG TO GET AROUND TO THAT, BUT
TO ME, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD -- I
THINK HE HAS OTHER THINGS ON HIS
TO-DO LIST.
>> NO, HE DOESN'T.
NOT AT THIS POINT.
THAT IS HIS MOST IMPORTANT JOB
AS HE KNOWS.
>> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN -- YOU
CANNOT QUESTION WHAT THE
GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK HAS DONE.
HE'S 48 HOURS BEHIND LYDA
KREWSON, THAT'S ONE THING,
BUT --
>> CHARLIE, COME ON --
>> NEW YORK IS GROUND ZERO,
CHARLIE.
>> EXACTLY.
>> AND NEW YORK IS ALSO --
>> IT SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN HIM
THAT LONG TO CLOSE THE
PLAYGROUND.
>> NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO GO
OUTSIDE.
>> YES, THEY CAN.
THEY CAN EXERCISE OUTSIDE.
>> OKAY.
>> CHARLIE --
>> NEW YORK IS DIFFERENT THAN
OTHER PLACES, CHARLIE, IN THAT
SERIOUSLY A PLAYGROUND IS ALMOST
KIDS IN THE HEART OF NEW YORK
HAVE AND YOU TAKE THAT AWAY,
THERE'S NO YARD, THERE'S NO --
>> OKAY, OKAY, NOT DOING THIS
FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT.
IN ST. LOUIS, AS YOU KNOW, YOU
CAN GO TO A LIQUOR STORE AND YOU
CAN GET RECREATIONAL POT IN
ILLINOIS AND YOU CAN ALSO -- YOU
CAN GO TO A B&B, A BED AND
BREAKFAST IS EXEMPT IN ST. LOUIS
COUNTY, SO DON'T SIT IN JUDGMENT
OF ADAIR COUNTY WHERE THEY
DIDN'T ANY BED AND BREAKFASTS.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE BED
AND BREAKFAST.
>> ON MY SHOW LAST NIGHT, I
HAPPENED TO HAVE MIKE
SOUTHERLAND, AND HE HAD AN
INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE.
THEY JUST CLOSED -- IT'S UP TO
PARSON TO CLOSE THE PARKS, BUT
LIKE ILLINOIS HAS, ALL OF
ILLINOIS'S PARKS ARE CLOSED AND
PEOPLE ARE STREAMING OVER HERE
FROM ILLINOIS TO GO TO MISSOURI
PARKS, BUT HE CLOSED CASTLE WOOD
PARK AND I ASKED HIM ABOUT THIS.
WHEN HE CLOSED ELEPHANT ROCK
PARK, WHICH IS OUT IN RURAL
MISSOURI, HE SAYS IT WAS ABOUT
THE SAME RESPONSE, ABOUT 50-50,
THAT THE PEOPLE IN THAT REGION
WERE PRETTY MUCH HAPPY THAT --
NOT TO HAVE PEOPLE BRINGING --
THEY WEREN'T LOOKING FOR TOURISM
RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'S NOT QUITE CLEARLY
URBAN-RURAL, BUT THE POINT IS
PEOPLE IN RURAL MISSOURI ARE
MORE LIKELY, REALLY THROUGH NO
FAULT OF THEIR OWN BECAUSE
THEY'RE NOT BEING TESTED, TO
UNDERESTIMATE THIS VIRUS AND
THIS IS A VIRUS FOR THE WHOLE
COUNTRY, NOT --
>> OKAY, RAY, I -- DO YOU WANT
TO CLOSE FOREST PARK?
I MEAN, I'M WALKING IF FOREST
PARK EVERY SINGLE DAY.
I MEAN, I'M CAREFUL, BUT I HATE
TO SEE THAT CLOSE.
>> EVENTUALLY, BILL, I WOULD NOT
BE SURPRISED.
THEY HAVE -- LOOK AT HOW MUCH
THEY --
>> I AGREE WITH YOU, WENDY.
IT MIGHT HAPPEN.
>> YEAH, YEAH.
>> AND THE ANSWER IS AT LEAST
PEOPLE HAVE TO PRACTICE THE
SOCIAL DISTANCING.
>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
I AGREE WITH THAT.
>> AND I THINK THE PARKS
DEPARTMENT IS DOING AS WELL AS
IT COULD UNDER THE
CIRCUMSTANCES.
THE POINT IS YOU GOT TO PRACTICE
SOCIAL DISTANCING.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> AND THE PEDIATRICIANS WILL
TELL YOU KIDS DON'T DO THAT.
>> IF I MIGHT, WILL IT'S GO TO
WENDY ON THIS -- LET'S GO TO
WENDY ON THIS NEXT TOPIC, WHICH
WENDY, MAYBE YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO
ME SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT WAS
REALLY UNUSUAL THIS PAST WEEK
WHEN FORMER GOVERNOR GREITENS
SHOWED UP AT A PHOTO OP WITH FOX
2, PRIVATE PHOTOGRAPHER, TAKING
HIS PHOTOS UNLOADING MASKS WHICH
HE HAD KIND OF DONATED THROUGH
THE ST. LOUIS FIRE DEPARTMENT
FOUNDATION TO THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT.
APPARENTLY HE HAD LINED UP THE
SPONSORS TO BUY THE MASKS.
WHERE HE GOT THEM, I DON'T KNOW.
AND THEN THERE WERE PHOTOS OF
HIM UNLOADING THEM AND THEN HE
DID THE NEXT THING -- THE SAME
THING, RATHER, THE NEXT DAY IN
KANSAS CITY TO THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
EMD HE WOULD NOT ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS AND, OF COURSE, THIS
IS THE GOVERNOR WHO TWO YEARS
AGO RESIGNED UNDER A CLOUD OF
CONTROVERSY.
WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON?
>> AND DON'T FORGET EXERCISE
EQUIPMENT UNDER THE CLOUD OF
CONTROVERSY AND EXERCISE
EQUIPMENT.
I HAVE NO IDEA, BUT I THINK
THE -- ONE OF THE QUICKEST WAYS
TO ENSURE THAT YOU BECOME A
POLITICAL NON-ENTITY AND A
CULTURAL PARIAH -- AND WE'VE
SEEN THIS AT EVERY LEVEL, STATE,
FEDERAL, WHITE HOUSE, AND NOW I
THINK WE'RE SEEING IT WITH
GOVERNOR -- FORMER GOVERNOR
GREITENS.
ANYBODY WHO USES THE PANDEMIC AS
A CAMPAIGN RALLY OR ANYTHING
THAT LOOKS REMOTELY LIKE A
CAMPAIGN RALLY, I THINK WILL
INCUR THE WRATH OF THE VOTERS AT
THE BALLOT BOX.
I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE A FEW
OUT THERE WHO MAYBE HAVE SOME
AGAIN -- GENETIC PREDISPOSITION
OR SOMETHING, BUT WHO ARE MOVED
BY IT, BUT THE TIMING AT THIS
MOMENT TO LOOK LIKE YOU'RE GRAND
STANDING, TO MY ESTIMATION, IS
POLITICAL DEATH AND IF I WERE
ADVISING HIM ON BECOMING A
PHOENIX WHO'S TRYING TO RISE
FROM THE ASHES, I WOULD TELL HIM
TO KNOCK THAT OFF.
IF YOU -- YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE
GOING TO DO SOMETHING GOOD, IT
ONLY REALLY COUNTS WHEN NOBODY
KNOWS THAT YOU'RE DOING IT, IN
MY OPINION.
>> WELL, YOU HAVE TO THINK,
HERE'S THE GUY WHO WAS ON A
SHORT LIST OF POTENTIAL
PRESIDENTS AND HE HAD A RESUME
TO DIE FOR, AND HE WAS SMART,
GOOD-LOOKING AND A GREAT TALKER,
AND BOOM, HE COLLAPSED.
IT WOULD BE SO HARD NOT TO TRY
TO MAKE A COMEBACK AND ALL THE
PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THEY WERE
BUYING IN EARLY HAD TO BE IN
SHOCK, AND THEY FIGURE, WHAT'S A
LITTLE MORE MONEY.
I MEAN, WHY NOT?
I MEAN, I DISLIKE GREITENS, I'M
NOT A FAN OF GREITENS, BUT IT'S
HARDLY SURPRISING TO SEE HIM TRY
TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ANYTHING.
>> I AGREE WITH --
>> WHY DID HE HAVE TO GO THROUGH
THE FIREFIGHTERS FOUNDATION?
IS ANYBODY ABLE --
>> I HAVE NO IDEA, WENDY.
>> I AGREE WITH -- GO AHEAD.
S.
>> SO THE DONORS COULD GET A TAX
BREAK.
>> MAYBE SO, BUT I'M NOT A CON,
BUT IT TAKES A CON TO SPOT ONE,
AND LET ME TELL YOU WHAT,
CONNING, GRIFTING, TRYING TO
FIND A WAY, AS BILL SAID, TO DIG
YOUR WAY OUT OF THE RUBBLE.
YOU CAN'T PUT ENOUGH CHAINS ON
SOMEBODY FROM STL THAT THEY
DON'T BUBBLE UP OUT OF THE
BOTTOM OF THE RIVER.
HE'S JUST PLAYING THE BIG TIME
AND HOW DO YOU DO IT?
ALL RIGHT, I GET THESE MASKS AND
I GO THROUGH THE KANSAS CITY
POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE YOU
CAN'T BE MAD AT THE POLICE OR
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
PLUS A LOT OF THEM SUPPORT ME.
I'M NOT SURPRISED EITHER.
THIS IS WHAT A CON DOES.
THIS IS WHAT A FLIMFLAM MAN
DOES, AND HE JUST IS PLAYING
EVERY CARD IN THE DECK AND HE
HAS ABOUT 72 OF THEM INSTEAD OF
52.
SO I'M NOT SURPRISED AT ALL.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S THE BOOK
OF CONS.
>> CHARLIE, I HAVE A SLIGHTLY
DIFFERENT -- FIRST OF ALL, I
AGREE COMPLETELY WITH WENDY
ABOUT THE POLITICS OF IT, BUT
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY ONE
THING, WHICH IS GOOD FOR HIM
THAT HE'S DOING IT.
MEANING, I DON'T CARE IF
AL-QAEDA IS GIVING US MASKS, WE
NEED MASKS, SO I THINK THE FACT
THAT HE'S DOING IT IS A
COMMENDABLE THING.
I THINK POLITICALLY, I THOUGHT
IT WAS HILARIOUS ON A COUPLE OF
FRONTS.
IF YOU LISTEN TO THE FIRE CHIEF
BEING INTERVIEWED, FIRST HE SAID
HE'S DONATING THE MONEY AND THEN
HE SAID, HE'S RAISED THE MONEY.
I WAS LIKE, THIS IS THE BEST USE
OF DARK MONEY THAT HE'S EVER HAD
DONE AND WHERE HE'S TAKING IT,
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A ROBIN HOOD
THING.
I THOUGHT THE IRONIC THING, AND
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WENDY'S
ANALYSIS, HE WOULDN'T TALK TO
THE MEDIA.
BY THE WAY, HE'S DOOPG IT HERE,
SOUTHEAST MISSOURI, KANSAS CITY,
AND I THINK SPRINGFIELD.
THIS IS A TOUR.
YOU LOOK ON HIS TWITTER PAGE,
AND THAT'S THE THING ABOUT IT.
HE'S NOT TALKING TO THE MEDIA
BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO LOOK
LIKE HE'S SHOW BOATING, BUT HE'S
STEERING LIKE NAVY SEAL HOO-YA
AND THUL TO THINKS 85 -- AND ALL
THIS TO HIS 85,000 TWITTER
FOLLOWERS.
>> IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING, I'LL
TELL YOU THAT.
WHAT'S NEXT WEEK?
IS STEVE STENGER GOING TO
DELIVER VENTILATORS?
>> PROBABLY NOT.
>> IF HE COULD GET OUT, HE'D
HAVE THAT PATRIOTS PLANE FLYING
DOWN HERE WITH SOMETHING ON IT.
>> ALVIN REID, I WANT TO ASK YOU
ABOUT A TOPIC WE COVERED BEFORE,
BUT IT WAS REPORTED BY THE
POST-DISPATCH AND OTHERS THAT
WHEN LOCAL JUDGES DID RELEASE
OFFENDERS FROM THE JAILS DUE TO
FEAR OF CORONAVIRUS, THEY DID
RELEASE SOME WITH VIOLENT
RECORDS, INCLUDING ONE WHO IS
ACCUSED OF MOLESTING A YOUNG
GIRL.
THAT WAS IN THE COUNTY, AND IN
THE CITY, A FELLOW WHO ROBBED A
WOMAN AT GUN POINT AND THE WOMAN
WAS NOT ASKED IF SHE HAD ANY
OPINION ON THE RELEASE NOR WAS
THE GIRL OR THE FAMILY IN THE
COUNTY INVOLVED IN THE
MOLESTATION CASE.
AND THERE WERE OTHER CASES
INVOLVING CARJACKING AND
FIREARMS AND MORE WHERE INMATES
HAVE BEEN RELEASED.
I MEAN, THIS IS -- THIS IS NOT
GOOD AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
IS THIS GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE IN
GREATER NUMBERS MOVE TO
ST. CHARLES?
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> WELL, I THINK THERE WAS QUITE
A RUSH TO GET THIS DONE AND I
WOULD THINK BOTH PROSECUTORS,
MAYBE THE PLAY HERE WOULD HAVE
BEEN LIKE, WE DON'T NEED TO LET
ANYBODY OUT UNTIL I'M SURE THE
JUDGES OR THE TWO JUDGES
INVOLVED WERE GOING TO NOT LET
ANY VIOLENT CRIMINALS OUT, OR AT
LEAST THE -- YOU KNOW, THE
ALLEGED VIOLENT CRIMINALS.
NOW, IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY, YOU
KNOW, THE POOR FAMILY FINDS OUT
THAT THIS GUY IS ON THE LOOSE
FROM A REPORTER?
I MEAN, THAT'S INEXCUSABLE AND
YOU GOT TO THINK AHEAD ENOUGH TO
HEAD THAT OFF AT THE PASS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS RUSHED INTO.
I'M GLAD THAT IT IS ON RECORD,
BOTH PROSECUTORS, YOU KNOW,
OBJECTED TO SOME OF THESE FOLKS'
RELEASE, BUT I MEAN, BY THAT
TIME THE HORSE IS ALREADY OUT OF
THE BARN AND I THINK WE WERE
JUST IN A RUSH TO DO THIS.
IT'S TERRIBLE TO BE IN JAIL AT A
TIME LIKE THIS, BUT IT'S TO
WORSE THAN BEING IN A SENIOR
RESIDENCE, OKAY?
IT'S WHERE YOU'RE AT, YOU'RE
GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
>> I JUST THOUGHT THERE WAS A
RUSH AND I'M SURPRISED AT ALL
THAT THIS HAPPENED.
THAT'S WHY I WAS FEARFUL OF IT
IN THE FIRST PLACE.
>> I DON'T COMPLETELY AGREE
BECAUSE, FIRST OF ALL, THE IDEA
OF RELEASING NONVIOLENT FOLKS,
PARTICULARLY THOSE AWAITING
TRIAL, RIGHT NOW IS IMPORTANT
FOR ONE POPULATION THAT I KNOW
KIM GARDNER HAS TALKED ABOUT,
WHO'S A FORMER NURSE, AND THAT
IS THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE
JAIL.
THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT THEM.
IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF
PROTECTING THE INMATES, WHICH
SHOULD MATTER TO US, BUT ALSO
THE GOOD PEOPLE WHO ARE RICKING
THEIR LIVES WITH THIS TYPE
POPULATION.
SO THERE'S THAT.
THE THING THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME
ABOUT THE STORY IS KIM GARDNER
HAS RELEASED ZERO PEOPLE.
WESLEY BELL HAS RELEASED ZERO
PEOPLE.
THEY HAVE THE SAME ABILITY TO
GET PEOPLE OUT OF JAIL THAT THE
FIVE OF US HAVE.
THE FACT IS, IT'S UP TO JUDGES
AND DO THEY MAKE BAD JUDGMENTS
SOMETIMES?
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REPORTING,
FOR EXAMPLE -- THEN YOU HAVE
PEOPLE LIKE ERIC SCHMITT PILING
ON AND KIM GARDNER IS ON TOP OF
IT --
>> RAY, RAY, LET ME STEP IN.
>> OUT OF TEN PEOPLE HE CITED,
KIM GARDNER HAD OPPOSED THE
RELEASE OF EIGHT OF THEM.
>> I KNOW YOU LIKE TO DEFEND KIM
GARDNER, BUT WHEN KIM GARDNER
AND WESLEY BELL PUSH HARD FOR
THIS RELEASE AND THEY PUSHED
VERY HARD FOR THE RELEASE OF THE
NONVIOLENT PRISONERS, ALL OF A
SUDDEN PRISONERS WHO SHOULDN'T
BE RELEASED ARE RELEASED AND ALL
OF A SUDDEN, WELL, KIM'S GOT
NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
SHE DOES.
IF YOU MAKE A BIG DEAL ABOUT
WHERE PEOPLE GO --
>> I AGREE, THIS IS --
>> THIS IS HER RESPONSIBILITY.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE JUDGES?
>> WHAT ABOUT THEM?
>> THE JUDGE DOESN'T HAVE TO
ACCEPT -- LITERALLY --
>> NO, RAY, THIS IS WHY YOU --
>> THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY CAN COME
IN AND BEG THE JUDGE TO LET
SOMEBODY GO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO
LET ANYBODY GO.
>> KIM GARDNER AND WESLEY BELL
WERE THE BIG MOVERS BEHIND THN
ATHOUGHT AT THE TIME IT WAS A
GOOD IDEA, BUT YOU CAN'T JUST
SAY THEY'RE GREAT FOR DOING THIS
AND WHEN THE WRONG PEOPLE GET
RELEASED, SAY, WELL, KIM'S GOT
NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
>> I'M SAYING THE JUDGES ARE THE
ONES DOING THE RELEASING.
>> I'M NOT A PROSECUTOR AND I
SAID TWO WEEKS AGO THIS IS A BAD
IDEA.
I DON'T HAVE A LAW DEGREE, I'M
NOT A PROSECUTOR, BUT IF I WAS,
THE FIRST THING TILLED BE
THINKING ABOUT IS NOT THE POOR
SOULS THAT ARE IN JAIL, BUT WHAT
IF SOMEBODY GETS OUT THAT'S NOT
SUPPOSED TO.
INSTEAD OF JUST LAUNCHING INTO,
WE GOT TO HELP THESE PEOPLE --
>> I WANT TO ASK YOU --
>> I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE
OF A PERN --
>> LET ME ASK YOU, BILL, ABOUT
THE AUTHORITIES ARE ASKING US AS
CITIZENS NOW TO TURN IN PEOPLE
WHO ARE NOT SOCIALLY DISTANCING,
EITHER IN LARGE GROUPS OR
BUSINESSES WHICH ARE OPEN IN
VIOLATION OF THE STAY IN PLACE
GUIDELINES.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT ORDINARY
CITIZENS DROPPING A DIME ON
THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS IN THIS
CORONAVIRUS CRISIS?
>> I'VE CALLED IN ON THREE OF MY
NEIGHBORS, CHARLIE, SO I --
[ LAUGHTER ]
I HAVE REALLY MIXED FEELINGS
ABOUT IT, AND YOU KNOW, IF
SOMETHING WERE REALLY OBVIOUS,
LIKE IF YOU DROVE PAST A PARK
AND THERE WAS A PARTY GOING ON,
I COULD SEE SOMEBODY SAYING WE
OUGHT TO ALERT THE AUTHORITIES.
BUT TRYING TO WATCH TO SEE IF
PEOPLE ARE KEEPING THEIR
SIX-FOOT DISTANCE, I MEAN -- AND
ON THE POOR POLICE, I WOULDN'T
WANT TO BE A COP, YOU KNOW,
ANSWERING CALLS ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
THEY'RE DOING IT AGAIN, THERE'S
THREE OF THEM.
SO I'M NOT VERY ENTHUSED ABOUT
PEOPLE CALLING IN ON, YOU KNOW,
VIOLATIONS OF THE SOCIAL
DISTANCING.
>> WELL, I THINK FOR THAT VERY
REASON YOU MENTIONED, BILL, THE
FACT THAT THE POLICE ARE, YOU
KNOW, PROBABLY BUSIER THAN EVER,
I DO THINK THAT AS RESIDENTS OF
THE CITY OR COUNTY, OBVIOUSLY IN
THE COUNTY THEY'RE ASKING US TO
KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR BUSINESSES
THAT ARE VIOLATING THE ORDER TO
CLOSE, IF THEY ARE DEEMED
NON-ESSENTIAL, BECAUSE, YOU
KNOW, WE WERE -- THIS IS -- IT
SORT OF FEELS LIKE A TERRORIST
ATTACK AND, YOU KNOW ARE WE'RE
ALWAYS TOLD BACK WHEN IF YOU SEE
SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING.
AND SO I THINK THAT MAYBE MAKING
A CALL OR DROPPING A DIME TO
SAVE A LIFE, IF YOU WILL.
>> WELL, I THINK WHEN HOBBY
LOBBY GOT DECLARED NONESSENTIAL
TODAY, AT LEAST SOME PLACES,
MAYBE NOT EVERYWHERE, AND I
DON'T REALLY LIKE HOBBY LOBBY,
BUT I WOULDN'T DROP A DIME ON
HOBBY LOBBY.
>> BUT THEY'RE ENDANGERING THE
LIVES OF --
>> I'M WITH WENDY.
THIS IS A GLOBAL PANDEMIC.
THIS ISN'T LIKE NARC'ING ON
SOMEBODY.
THIS IS A GLOBAL PANDEMIC WHERE
PEOPLE WHO ARE VIOLATING THE
LAWS OF SOCIAL -- AND I DON'T
EVEN EVERY GROUP OF TWO OR THREE
PEOPLE WALKING ON THE STREET,
BUT IN TERMS OF BUSINESSES
OPERATING IN DEFIANCE OF THE
RULES --
>> THIS IS A DIFFERENT THING.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS CALLING IN ON
YOUR NEIGHBORS.
>> NO, PART OF IT IS BUSINESSES,
AND I AGREE WITH YOU, BILL.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CALL ON TWO
OF YOUR NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE
STREET, BUT THE IDEA IF YOU SEE
A GROUP GATHERING OR YOU SEE A
BUSINESS THAT'S VIOLATING THE
ORDERS THAT OTHER BUSINESSES --
WENDY IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THIS IS A GLOBAL PANDEMIC.
YOU ARE ENDANGERING OUR LIVES
AND EVERYBODY.
>> WELL, BILL, WHAT DO YOU THINK
OF, RIGHT NOW AS OF YESTERDAY
ANYWAY, THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS
DID RELEASE INFORMATION ABOUT
THOSE WHO TESTED POSITIVE AND
WHAT ZIP CODES THEY'RE LIVING
IN, BUT I DID HEAR FROM ONE
ST. LOUIS BUSINESSMAN WHO HAS AN
OFFICE IN PITTSBURGH, IN
ALLEGHENY COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA,
WHERE THEY NOT ONLY RELEASE
THAT, BUT THEY'LL RELEASE, FOR
EXAMPLE, THE AGE AND THE RACE
AND THE GENDER OF THE PERSON WHO
IS TESTING POSITIVE.
YOU THINK WE NEED MORE
INFORMATION LOCALLY ABOUT THAT?
>> YEAH, I DO.
I THINK THAT THE INFORMATION IS
REALLY HELPFUL TO PEOPLE, AND I
WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE
INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE'S
CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU
READ THAT A 40-YEAR-OLD MAN,
YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW IF AT THE HAD
PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS AND
EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE AND WHERE
THESE THINGS ARE OCCURRING.
I KNOW THE REPORTERS AT THE
PAPER ARE, YOU KNOW, RUNNING
AROUND AND TRYING TO GET AS MUCH
INFORMATION AS THEY CAN, AND THE
CITY IS FINALLY AT LEAST GIVING
OUT ZIP CODES, WHICH IS A GOOD
THING.
BUT I THINK THE MORE
INFORMATION, THE BETTER.
EXCEPT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT IN
FAVOR OF SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW,
SO-AND-SO OF THE -- AND GIVE AN
ADDRESS.
BUT LIKE BUSINESSES, I THINK WE
OUGHT TO KNOW WHAT BUSINESSES
HAVE HAD EMPLOYEES INFECTED,
SURE.
>> BUT DON'T WE?
I MEAN, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION
TODAY AT THE RADIO STATION.
DIERBERGS HAS ANNOUNCED WHEN ANY
OF THEIR -- SO THAT IS
HAPPENING, RIGHT?
>> YES, BUT I THINK, WENDY, THAT
THAT'S RIGHT NOW UP TO THE
INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES.
LIKE I DON'T THINK THAT -- SIT
THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT
RELEASING THAT?
>> I'M NOT SURE.
>> I STAND CORRECTED IF THAT'S
THE CASE.
>> I, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T --
>> ANY KIND OF SOCIAL TRACING
THAT CAN BE DONE, AND I AGREE
WITH YOU, CONSISTENT WITH
PEOPLE'S PERSONAL PRIVACY.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE, YOU
KNOW, IDENTIFYING INDIVIDUAL A,
BUT IF SOMEBODY WAS OUT -- FOR
EXAMPLE, I THINK THERE WAS A
SCHNUCKS STORE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER, THEY'VE ALL
BEEN -- I THINK OUR GROCERY
STORES HAVE REALLY BEEN AMAZING.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
HEY, A MINUTE TO GO --
>> IT'S GOOD TO KNOW.
>> ABOUT A MINUTE TO GO, WHAT DO
YOU THINK OF JOSH HAWLEY, U.S.
SENATOR IN MISSOURI, WHO'S
AGAINST A BAILOUT FOR THE CRUISE
LINES?
>> WELL, I DON'T --
>> OH, I THOUGHT HE WAS TALKING
TO ME.
>> GO AHEAD, BILL.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, AS I
UNDERSTAND IT, HE'S AGAINST
GIVING BAILOUT MONEY TO THE
CRUISE SHIPS THAT ARE REGISTERED
IN OTHER COUNTRIES AND I THINK
THAT'S -- I THINK HE'S RIGHT ON
THE MONEY.
>> I THINK LIKE A WALMART IS
REGISTERED IN THE UNITED STATES
AND 75% OF THE PRODUCTS ARE FROM
ANOTHER COUNTRY.
ALSO, IT'S A GOOD FORMER
ST. LOUISAN, HE THINK HE STILL
LIVES HERE, USED TO BE CEO OF
CARNIVAL, ARNOLD DONALD.
I DON'T KNOW IF JOSH KNOWS HIS
ST. LOUIS CONNECTION TO ALL
THIS, BUT A CRUISE SHIP MIGHT BE
REGISTERED SOMEPLACE ELSE, BUT
MILLIONS OF AMERICANS PAY FOR
CRUISES AND THEY LIKE TO CRUISE
AND I THINK TO PICK ON -- ONCE
AGAIN, YOU'RE PICKING ON ONE
INDUSTRY FOR SOME REASON AND A
LOT OF OTHERS ARE SKATING, AND I
JUST THINK IT'S --
>> WOULD GOOD --
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>> FOR ONES, I'M WITH JOSH.
>> CRUISE LINE EMPLOYEES ARE
ALSO FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.
>> RAY WAS WITH JOSH HAWLEY AND
WE'RE OUT OF TIME.
>> BUT CRUISE LINES ARE NOT
AMERICAN COMPANIES.
>> FOR THE NEXT EDITION OF
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, RAY WAS WITH
JOSH HAWLEY.
>> ONE TIME.
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