♪ DAVID: SO, IN YOUR CAREER, YOU WON 18 MAJORS, WHICH WAS THE MOST OF ANYBODY.
JACK: YEAH.
DAVID: BUT MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT TRYING TO BEAT YOUR RECORD IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.
JACK: HMM, I DON'T KNOW, TIGER'S--TIGER IS PRETTY GOOD.
DAVID: IN THOSE DAYS, THE COMPENSATION WAS GOOD, BUT NOT COMPARED TO TODAY.
JACK: I WAS MAKING AS MUCH MONEY SELLING INSURANCE AS I WOULD HAVE WON PLAYING GOLF.
DAVID: BUT YOU DID-- JACK: I SURPASSED IT, THOUGH.
DAVID: WHAT IS THE KEY THAT MAKES SOMEBODY A GREAT GOLFER?
IS IT CONCENTRATION?
IS IT PHYSICAL ABILITY?
JACK: I THINK WINNING BREEDS WINNING.
WOMAN: WOULD YOU FIX YOUR TIE, PLEASE?
DAVID: WELL, PEOPLE WOULDN'T RECOGNIZE ME IF MY TIE WAS FIXED, BUT OK. [WOMAN CHUCKLES] WOMAN: THEN LEAVE IT.
DAVID: JUST LEAVE IT THIS WAY.
ALL RIGHT.
♪ I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF A JOURNALIST, AND NOBODY ELSE WOULD CONSIDER MYSELF A JOURNALIST.
I BEGAN TO TAKE ON THE LIFE OF BEING AN INTERVIEWER, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A DAY JOB OF RUNNING A PRIVATE EQUITY FIRM.
HOW DO YOU DEFINE LEADERSHIP?
WHAT IS IT THAT MAKES SOMEBODY TICK?
SO LET ME GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF GOLF AND SO FORTH.
I AM NOT A GOLFER, I HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I TOOK IT UP WHEN I WAS 9, I QUIT WHEN I WAS 10.
JACK: I'M NOT ONE ANYMORE, EITHER.
DAVID: OK.
BUT, WELL, YOU'RE PRETTY FAMOUS IN GOLF.
IT WAS TOO FRUSTRATING, AND HERE IS WHAT I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND.
WHY IS IT THAT SO MANY PEOPLE ARE ADDICTED TO SOMETHING THAT IS SO HUMILIATING AND FRUSTRATING FOR SO MANY PEOPLE ALL THE TIME?
THE BALL NEVER GOES WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO GO.
WHY ARE PEOPLE SO ADDICTED TO IT?
JACK: WELL, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD QUESTION.
I COULD TRY TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
IT'S A NEVER-ENDING PURSUIT OF AN UNATTAINABLE GOAL IS WHAT IT REALLY IS.
DAVID: OK.
RIGHT.
JACK: YOU COULD TRY ALL YOU WANT.
AND NOBODY HAS EVER MASTERED THE GAME.
MOST ALL ATHLETES IN ALL THE OTHER SPORTS LOVE TO PLAY GOLF BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT.
IT'S CHALLENGING FOR THEM.
AND IT CHALLENGES THEM AT WHATEVER LEVEL THEY PLAY.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY ENJOY IT.
THAT'S WHY I ENJOYED IT.
I ENJOYED PLAYING IT BECAUSE NO MATTER HOW GOOD I GOT, I COULD ALWAYS BE BETTER.
DAVID: SO WHEN YOU WERE GROWING UP, YOU PLAYED MANY DIFFERENT SPORTS, IS THAT RIGHT?
JACK: YES.
DAVID: AND ACTUALLY, YOU WERE RECRUITED TO PLAY FOOTBALL AT OHIO STATE?
JACK: BASKETBALL.
DAVID: BASKETBALL.
BUT YOU WERE A GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYER AS WELL?
JACK: DECENT, YEP.
DAVID: SO, AT THE TIME, GOLF WAS NOT YOUR MOST IMPORTANT SPORT?
OR WAS IT ONE OF THE 3 MOST IMPORTANT?
JACK: GOLF WAS ANOTHER SPORT AT THE TIME.
BUT ONCE I STARTED INTO COLLEGE, I WON A NATIONAL--LESSER THAN A NATIONAL TOURNAMENT, BUT IT GOT ME ON THE WALKER CUP TEAM.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, I WAS NOW ONE OF THE 12 BEST AMATEURS IN THE COUNTRY.
AND THEN LATER THAT YEAR, I WON THE NATIONAL AMATEUR, AND I WAS RANKED NUMBER ONE.
AND I SAID, HMM, MAYBE I'M BETTER AT THIS THAN I THOUGHT I WAS.
AND THEN I ALMOST WON THE U.S. OPEN THE NEXT YEAR.
THEN I DID WIN THE U.S.
AMATEUR AGAIN THE NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN I SAID, WELL, MAYBE I NEED TO GO PLAY AGAINST THE BEST IF I WANT TO BE THE BEST.
SO IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, A PROCESS.
DAVID: YOUR FATHER WAS THE ONE WHO GOT YOU INTO GOLF INITIALLY?
JACK: YEP.
YEP.
DAVID: AND WAS HE A GOOD GOLFER HIMSELF?
JACK: HE WAS A DECENT GOLFER AS A KID.
AND THEN HE QUIT FOR 15 YEARS AND WAS A PHARMACIST.
AND HE BROKE HIS ANKLE PLAYING VOLLEYBALL.
HE ENDED UP HAVING 3 OPERATIONS AND HAD IT FUSED.
AND THE DOCTOR SAID, "CHARLIE," HE SAYS, "IF YOU DON'T WANT TO END UP IN A WHEELCHAIR, YOU BETTER START WALKING AGAIN."
HE TOOK--SO WE MOVED OUT TO THE SUBURBS TO UPPER ARLINGTON TO SCIOTO COUNTRY CLUB.
HE JOINED THERE, TOOK ME ALONG TO CARRY THE BAG BECAUSE HE COULDN'T MAKE A GAME BECAUSE HE COULDN'T WALK VERY FAR.
AND THAT PARTICULAR YEAR, A FELLOW NAMED JACK GROUT CAME TO SCIOTO AND THE PGA CHAMPIONSHIP CAME TO SCIOTO THAT YEAR.
SO I GOT ALL THAT IN MY FIRST YEAR OF PLAYING GOLF.
AND IT JUST SORT OF GOT ME CHARGED UP TO LEARN THE SPORT.
DAVID: JACK GROUT BECAME YOUR COACH FOR MOST OF YOUR CAREER.
JACK: HE WAS MY COACH UNTIL HE PASSED IN 1989.
DAVID: SO YOUR FATHER AND JACK GROUT WERE THE PEOPLE WHO MOSTLY GOT YOU ON THE WAY IN GOLF, YOU WOULD SAY?
JACK: YEP.
YEP.
MY DAD WAS-- MY DAD WAS SORT OF MY BEST FRIEND AND MY IDOL.
I LOVED MY DAD.
HE JUST DID EVERYTHING WITH ME.
HE JUST GAVE UP EVERYTHING FOR ME.
DAVID: IN THOSE DAYS, IT WASN'T CLEAR THAT YOU COULD MAKE A BIG CAREER FINANCIALLY AS A PROFESSIONAL GOLFER, SO YOU WERE THINKING OF GETTING A DEGREE AS AN ACCOUNTANT, OR TO BE A PHARMACIST?
JACK: I STARTED COLLEGE.
I MEAN, MOST KIDS WANT TO BE WHAT THEIR DAD WAS.
SO MY DAD WAS A PHARMACIST, SO I WENT THROUGH PRE-PHARMACY.
I HATED AFTERNOON LABS.
DAVID: ALL RIGHT, SO-- JACK: AND SO MY DAD TALKED ME OUT GOING-- BEFORE I WENT TO PHARMACY SCHOOL, HE TALKED ME INTO DOING SOMETHING ELSE.
SO I STARTED SELLING INSURANCE.
DAVID: OK. JACK: I JUST LOVED SELLING LIFE INSURANCE TO MY FRATERNITY BROTHERS, THEY REALLY NEEDED IT.
[LAUGHTER] SO I DID THAT FOR A WHILE, AND I DID PRETTY WELL AT IT.
AND I WAS MAKING GOOD MONEY.
I GOT MARRIED AND HAD OUR FIRST CHILD.
BUT I REALLY WANTED TO PLAY GOLF.
SO THAT IS WHAT I DID.
DAVID: YOU GOT MARRIED TO BARBARA.
JACK: YEAH.
DAVID: AND YOU'VE BEEN MARRIED HOW MANY YEARS?
JACK: IT'LL BE 59 NEXT MONTH.
DAVID: 59 YEARS.
OK. AND, UM-- [APPLAUSE] THE RESULT IS 5 CHILDREN AND 22 GRANDCHILDREN?
JACK: THAT'S RIGHT.
DAVID: NOW, YOU NEVER FORGET A NAME OF A GRANDCHILD WHEN THEY COME ALONG.
YOU KNOW THEIR NAMES?
JACK: I KNOW THEIR NAME.
I KNOW 95% OF THEIR BIRTHDAYS.
DAVID: REALLY?
OK. THAT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.
SO IN THOSE DAYS, YOU WERE THINKING OF MAYBE BECOMING PROFESSIONAL.
YOU WEREN'T SURE.
AND YOU MET WITH BOB JONES, DID YOU, ROBERT JONES?
JACK: YEP.
BOBBY JONES.
DAVID: THE MOST FAMOUS AMATEUR GOLFER OF THEM ALL.
AND HOW DID YOU ACTUALLY COME TO MEET HIM?
JACK: WELL, HE WAS A SPEAKER AT THE BANQUET OF MY FIRST U.S.
AMATEUR WHEN I WAS 15 YEARS OLD.
AT THAT TIME, HE WAS, OF COURSE, PAR-- HE GOT PARALYZED AS HE WENT ON, BUT HE WAS STILL WALKING WITH CANES AT THAT TIME.
AND HE SAW ME PLAY HEADING INTO THE LAST PRACTICE ROUND.
HE SAYS, "YOUNG MAN, I AM GOING TO COME OUT AND WATCH YOU PLAY A LITTLE BIT TOMORROW."
HERE I'M A 15-YEAR-OLD KID PLAYING MY FIRST U.S.
AMATEUR, THE GREATEST PLAYER WHO HAD EVER LIVED IS BOB JONES, HE'S GOING TO COME OUT AND WATCH ME PLAY.
HE CAME OUT AND I IMMEDIATELY WENT BOGEY, BOGEY, DOUBLE BOGEY.
LOST MY MATCH, BUT IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE.
AND HE BECAME A GOOD FRIEND.
HE WAS GREAT COUNSEL.
HE WAS REALLY, REALLY A GOOD MAN.
DAVID: SO YOU DECIDED ULTIMATELY TO TURN PROFESSIONAL IN THE YEAR AFTER YOU WON THE SECOND AMATEUR.
YOU WON THE U.S.
AMATEUR TWICE.
JACK: YEAH.
DAVID: AFTER YOU HAD DONE THAT, YOU DECIDED YOU WOULD MAKE A CAREER OUT OF IT?
JACK: WELL, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY MORE GOALS OR ANYTHING MORE TO DO IN AMATEUR GOLF.
AND I WANTED TO BE THE BEST I COULD BE AT PLAYING GOLF.
SO I SAID THE ONLY WAY THAT I COULD DO THAT IS TO PLAY AGAINST THE BEST.
THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS PLAY AGAINST THE PROS.
SO THAT'S WHY I TURNED PRO.
DAVID: IN THOSE DAYS, THE COMPENSATION WAS GOOD, BUT NOT COMPARED TO TODAY.
JACK: NO, I WAS MAKING AS MUCH MONEY SELLING INSURANCE AS I WOULD HAVE WON PLAYING GOLF.
DAVID: BUT YOU DID-- JACK: I SURPASSED IT, THOUGH.
DAVID: OK. AND SO, HOW'D YOU IN YOUR FIRST YEAR AS A PRO?
JACK: MY FIRST YEAR AS A PRO, I-- LET'S SEE, I WON 4 TOURNAMENTS, INCLUDING THE U.S. OPEN.
AND I WON A HUNDRED AND...
I DON'T KNOW, 115--$120,000.
DAVID: WAS THAT THE, LIKE, ALMOST THE LEADING MONEY WINNER?
JACK: WELL, I WAS THIRD ON THE MONEY LIST.
ARNOLD PALMER WAS THE LEADING MONEY WINNER.
I THINK HE WON LIKE 64,000 OFFICIAL MONEY.
I WON LIKE 61,000.
BUT I WON WHAT'S CALLED THE WORLD SERIES OF GOLF, WHICH WAS THE FIRST BIG TOURNAMENT, AND THAT WAS A 50,000 FIRST PRIZE.
DAVID: SO AS YOU WENT ON, YOU HAD A RIVALRY WITH ARNOLD PALMER A BIT.
HE WAS THE LEADING GOLFER WHEN YOU CAME INTO THE PROS, AND THEN YOU SURPASSED HIM IN MANY WAYS.
BUT WHAT WAS IT LIKE IN THE EARLY DAYS WHEN YOU WERE RISING AND HE WAS SORT OF AT THE TOP?
JACK: WELL, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T REAL POPULAR BECAUSE I STARTED BEATING ARNOLD.
YOU KNOW, AND I WASN'T POPULAR WITH MYSELF BECAUSE I WAS AN ARNOLD PALMER FAN.
AND ARNOLD WAS A GOOD GUY.
WE GOT TO BE REALLY CLOSE FRIENDS, OUR WIVES GOT TO BE VERY CLOSE FRIENDS.
BUT HE WAS--AND HE NEVER REALLY SEEMED TO MIND THAT I BEAT HIM MORE THAN HE BEAT ME.
I'M SURE HE PROBABLY DID INSIDE, BUT HE NEVER LET ME KNOW IT.
AND HE TOOK ME UNDER HIS WING.
AND HE'S 10 YEARS OLDER THAN I WAS.
AND HE--HE WAS GREAT TO ME.
SO I HAVE NOTHING BUT LOVE FOR ARNOLD PALMER.
DAVID: IN YOUR CAREER, YOU WON 18 MAJORS, WHICH IS THE MOST OF ANYBODY.
JACK: YEAH.
DAVID: AND TIGER WOODS HAS NOW WON WITH THE MOST RECENT MASTERS WIN 15.
BUT MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT TRYING TO BEAT YOUR RECORD IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.
JACK: I DON'T KNOW.
TIGER'S-- TIGER IS PRETTY GOOD.
HE'S PRETTY GOOD.
DAVID: SO LET'S SEE, YOU WON THE MASTERS 6 TIMES.
JACK: YEAH.
DAVID: IS THAT YOUR FAVORITE TOURNAMENT, THE MASTERS?
JACK: PROBABLY SO.
YEAH.
DAVID: IN THE COURSE OF YOUR CAREER, AS I THINK I REMEMBER, YOU'VE WON MORE THAN 100 TOURNAMENTS.
IS THAT RIGHT?
JACK: YEAH.
DAVID: AND 18 MAJORS.
AND YOU WERE THE LEADING MONEY WINNER 7 TIMES, THE LEADING LOWEST SHOT FOR A TOURNAMENT FOR A YEAR 7 TIMES.
AND THERE IS NO RECORD IN GOLF YOU HAVEN'T ACHIEVED.
IS THAT RIGHT?
WAS THERE ANYTHING LEFT FOR YOU TO ACHIEVE?
JACK: I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY RECORD I HAVEN'T ACHIEVED, BUT MY RECORD IS GOOD.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ALWAYS BE BETTER.
THAT IS THE NEAT THING ABOUT THE GAME OF GOLF.
NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU GET AT SOMETHING, YOU CAN BE BETTER.
DAVID: SO IN TERMS OF BEING BETTER, IT'S HARD TO KNOW HOW YOU CAN DO MUCH BETTER THAN YOU HAVE DONE.
BUT LET'S ASK YOU ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
WHAT IS THE KEY THAT MAKES SOMEBODY A GREAT GOLFER?
IS IT CONCENTRATION?
IS IT PHYSICAL ABILITY?
IS IT JUST A COMBINATION OF THOSE THINGS?
JACK: I THINK YOUR MIND IS A BIG PART ABOUT IT.
I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU CAN DO.
YOU'VE GOT TO LEARN TO PLAY WITHIN YOURSELF.
I THINK ANYBODY, IN ALL WALKS OF LIFE, I DON'T CARE WHAT BUSINESS YOU ARE IN, YOU NEED TO WORK WITHIN YOURSELF.
AND THEN YOU NEED TO DO WHAT YOU CAN DO, NOT WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE CAN DO.
AND YOU START BELIEVING IN THAT.
AND THEN I THINK WINNING BREEDS WINNING.
SO, I WAS LUCKY, MY FIRST YEAR I WON THE U.S. OPEN.
I WON THE BIGGEST TOURNAMENT IN GOLF MY FIRST YEAR OUT.
AND I BELIEVED THAT I COULD PLAY.
SO ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY STARTED COMING IN A LITTLE EASIER FOR ME.
DAVID: SO IN THE FIRST YEAR, YOU WON THE U.S. OPEN.
WAS THAT IN A PLAYOFF WITH ARNOLD PALMER?
JACK: WITH PALMER, YEAH.
DAVID: SO WHAT WAS THAT LIKE.
IT WAS AN 18-HOLE PLAYOFF?
JACK: YEP.
THAT WAS-- IN ARNOLD'S BACKYARD.
AND I WOULD SAY--I WOULD SAY HE WAS DEFINITELY THE FAVORITE, NOT ONLY GOLF-WISE BECAUSE HE'D BEEN WINNING, BUT ALSO FAN-WISE.
AND ARNOLD WAS--BUT, AND I'VE SAID MANY TIMES, I SAYS, I'VE HAD TO FIGHT ARNOLD'S GALLERY A LOT, BUT I NEVER HAD TO FIGHT ARNOLD.
HE ALWAYS TREATED ME WITH RESPECT.
HE TREATED ME LIKE A FELLOW COMPETITOR.
AND SO I DIDN'T HAVE THOSE ISSUES.
DAVID: SO ONE OF THE MOST ENJOYABLE TOURNAMENTS PEOPLE SAY TO EVER HAVE WATCHED, ANYBODY COULD EVER WATCH, WAS THE 1986 MASTERS WHEN YOU WERE AN OLD, OLD MAN OF 46.
JACK: 46, YEAH, I WAS A REALLY OLD MAN THEN.
DAVID: THOSE DAYS, THAT SEEMED LIKE A VERY OLD MAN, BUT TODAY, TO ME, IT DOESN'T.
JACK: NO, TODAY IT'S NOT.
IT IS VERY YOUNG TODAY TO ME.
DAVID: SO PEOPLE HAD NEVER-- NO ONE HAD EVER WON A MAJOR, I GUESS, OVER THE AGE OF MAYBE 41 OR 42 AT THAT TIME.
TIGER WON THE MASTERS NOW AT 43.
JACK: YEAH.
DAVID: 46 WAS CONSIDERED READY FOR, YOU KNOW, A GOLF CART OR A WHEELCHAIR, OR SOMETHING.
JACK: CLOSE.
DAVID: YOU WERE NOT LEADING THAT TOURNAMENT UNTIL REALLY NEAR THE END.
YOU WERE 4 SHOTS BEHIND WITH THE FINAL 9 HOLES TO GO.
IS THAT RIGHT?
JACK: I WAS--THE FIRST TIME I LED THE TOURNAMENT WAS AFTER 71 HOLES.
DAVID: OK. JACK: GOING TO THE LAST HOLE.
DAVID: BUT YOU WERE 4 SHOTS BEHIND AT THE FINAL 9.
SO DID YOU ACTUALLY THINK YOU COULD WIN?
JACK: WELL, I BIRDIED 9, I BIRDIED 10, I BIRDIED 11.
I MESSED UP 12 A LITTLE BIT.
BUT THEN I BIRDIED 13.
AND THEN WHEN I EAGLED 15 AND BIRDIED 16 AND BIRDIED 17, YEAH, I THOUGHT I COULD WIN, 'CAUSE I WAS IN THE LEAD.
BUT THE-- DAVID: WAS THAT THE MOST EMOTIONAL WIN YOU'VE EVER HAD?
JACK: WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF FUNNY 'CAUSE I REALLY HAD FINISHED PLAYING GOLF BY THEN.
I HAD PLAYED MY--I'D WON TWO MAJORS WHEN I WAS 40 YEARS OLD.
AND I REALLY JUST ENJOYED PLAYING GOLF, AND I WANTED TO BE PART OF THE GAME.
AND I JUST SORT OF STRUCK LIGHTNING IN A BOTTLE A LITTLE BIT THAT WEEK.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, I GOT AROUND TO THE LAST 9 HOLES OR LAST 10 HOLES AND I REMEMBERED HOW TO PLAY.
I MEAN, YOU GET YOURSELF IN CONTENTION, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, MUCH LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO TIGER AT THE MASTERS THIS YEAR, WHEN I SAW THE FELLOW START TO FILL UP THE CREEK AT RACE CREEK, WHICH IS THE TWELFTH HOLE, HE TOOK THIS PRETTY LITTLE SHOT OUT, CUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GREEN, I SAID, "TOURNAMENT IS OVER," BECAUSE HE WILL REMEMBER HOW TO PLAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I DID, I REMEMBERED HOW TO PLAY, AND I REMEMBERED HOW TO FINISH.
AND IT WAS-- THAT WAS REALLY FUN, BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.
DAVID: YOU, EARLY IN YOUR CAREER, DECIDED THAT YOU WANTED TO BE INVOLVED IN GOLF COURSE DESIGN.
AND AS I NOW UNDERSTAND IT, YOU HAVE PERSONALLY DESIGNED ABOUT 310 COURSES.
AND YOUR COMPANY HAS DESIGNED OVER--I GUESS IT'S 400 OR SO.
JACK: OVER 400, YEAH.
DAVID: AND ABOUT A THOUSAND TOURNAMENTS HAVE BEEN HELD ON THESE COURSES.
AND THEY ARE IN 46 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND 40 DIFFERENT STATES, SO IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.
JACK: YOU'VE GOT A GOOD MEMORY.
YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THIS.
DAVID: WELL, JUST READ ABOUT IT, BUT...
SO WHAT IS THE SECRET TO COURSE DESIGN, AND HOW DID YOU GET INTO THAT?
JACK: WELL, I GOT INTO IT BY A FELLA NAMED PETE DYE.
PETE DYE HAS BEEN SORT OF THE PREMIER GOLF COURSE DESIGNER OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS OR SO.
AND PETE, ONE DAY, CALLED ME.
THIS WAS IN THE MID-SIXTIES.
HE SAID, "JACK, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU COME OUT AND SEE.
"I'M DOING A NEW COURSE FOR A FELLOW NAMED FRED JONES, AND I WANT YOU TO COME OUT AND SEE WHAT IT IS."
I SAID, "WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO SEE, PETE?"
HE SAYS, "I WANT YOU TO CRITIQUE IT FOR ME."
I SAID, "PETE, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DESIGN."
HE SAYS, "OH, YOU KNOW MORE THAN YOU THINK YOU KNOW."
I SAID OK.
SO I WENT OUT AND LOOKED THROUGH THE GOLF COURSE, WE DID THINGS, AND HE ASKED ME A COUPLE THINGS.
I SAID, "I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT."
HE SAYS, "YEAH, YOU DO.
JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE."
AND HE DID IT.
SO IT PIQUED MY INTEREST.
AND I GOT A CALL FROM CHARLES FRASER AT THE SEA PINES PLANTATION DOWN IN HARBOUR TOWN IN HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
HE SAID, "JACK, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU DO OUR GOLF COURSE DESIGN."
I SAID, "WELL, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT," I SAID, "BUT I GOT A YOUNG GUY WHO I AM WORKING WITH, "A FELLOW NAMED PETE DYE WHO I THINK I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH."
SO I DID THAT.
I MADE 23 VISITS INTO THAT WITH PETE.
AND ABOUT 6 MONTHS BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT, THEY CAME AND TOLD US WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THE HERITAGE GOLF CLASSIC THERE, WHICH THEY'VE HAD THERE EVERY SINCE, SINCE 1969.
ARNOLD WON THE FIRST TOURNAMENT.
I LOVED IT.
I HAD A BALL.
IT WAS JUST TREMENDOUS.
DAVID: SO TALKING ABOUT GOLF COURSES, YOUR FAVORITE COURSE TO PLAY OF ANY, OTHER THAN THE ONES YOU MIGHT HAVE DESIGNED, I ASSUME THOSE ARE THE ONES YOU LIKE THOSE THE MOST-- JACK: ABSOLUTELY.
WHO IS YOUR FAVORITE CHILD?
YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SAME THING.
DAVID: BUT LET'S SUPPOSE, TAKE THE ONES YOU DIDN'T DESIGN.
WHICH ONES WOULD YOU SAY WERE YOUR FAVORITES TO PLAY?
JACK: WELL, IF I HAD ONE ROUND OF GOLF TO PLAY, I'D PROBABLY GO OUT TO PEBBLE BEACH, WHICH WE JUST LEFT THE U.S. OPEN LAST WEEK.
I LOVE PEBBLE BEACH.
THE SCENE OUT THERE, I WON THE U.S.
AMATEUR THERE.
I WON THE U.S. OPEN, WON 3 CROSBY'S OUT THERE.
AND I JUST LOVE THE PLACE.
AND THEN--BUT MY TWO FAVORITE PLACES IN THE GAME ARE PROBABLY AUGUSTA NATIONAL AND ST. ANDREWS.
DAVID: AND THE REASON YOU LIKE ST. ANDREWS SO MUCH IS?
JACK: IT'S JUST THE HOME OF GOLF AND WHAT IT STANDS FOR AND WHAT IT MEANT-- HAS MEANT TO THE GAME, AND WHAT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE WON THERE AND PLAYED THERE THROUGH CENTURIES, ACTUALLY.
DAVID: WHEN YOU FINISHED YOUR PROFESSIONAL CAREER, I THINK IT WAS 2005, YOUR LAST TOURNAMENT WAS THE BRITISH OPEN.
SO WAS THAT PRETTY EMOTIONAL?
JACK: YEAH.
YEAH.
DAVID: YOU HAD YOUR FAMILY THERE.
JACK: I HAD MY FAMILY THERE.
THEY WERE ALL THERE.
MY SON STEVE CADDIED FOR ME DURING THAT WEEK.
WE STOPPED AT WHAT'S CALLED THE SWILCAN BRIDGE, WHICH IS THE BRIDGE THAT CROSSES THE 18th FAIRWAY.
AND WE DIDN'T GET A DECENT PICTURE OF STEVE.
STEVE WAS CRYING TOO MUCH.
AND TOM WATSON WAS--HE'S CRYING.
I MEAN, ALL-- THEY'RE ALL EMOTIONAL.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FINISH THE GOLF TOURNAMENT.
THEY'RE OUT THERE CRYING ON ME.
SO, WE HAD A GREAT TIME, THOUGH, AND IT WAS FUN.
I LOVED IT.
I DID NOT WANT TO FINISH ON FRIDAY, BUT I DID FINISH ON FRIDAY.
DAVID: SO YOU--YOUR LAST SHOT WAS A BIRDIE?
JACK: YOU KNOW, IT IS KIND OF FUNNY BECAUSE, YEAH, I WANTED TO MAKE THE CUT THAT DAY.
AFTER I THROUGH-PUTTED FROM THE FRONT EDGE OF 13--OR 17 TRYING TO MAKE BIRDIE, I GOT TO THE 18th HOLE AND I HIT THE BALL AT ABOUT 14 FEET BEHIND THE HOLE.
NOW, THE BALL HAD NOT GOTTEN ANYWHERE NEAR THE HOLE ALL DAY.
AND I KNEW THAT THAT PUTT-- 'CAUSE THE TOURNAMENT WAS OVER, NO MATTER WHERE I HIT IT, THE HOLE WAS GOING TO MOVE IN FRONT OF IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I DID, AND I MADE MY LAST PUTT.
I STARTED MY CAREER IN MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIPS IN 1957 WITH A BIRDIE ON THE FIRST HOLE I PLAYED.
AND I FINISHED IT ON ST. ANDREWS WITH A 14-FOOT PUTT WITH A BIRDIE.
DAVID: SO AFTER YOU GOT A BIRDIE, YOU SAID, "WELL, MAYBE I SHOULD STAY A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND PLAY"-- JACK: NO, I'D STAYED LONG ENOUGH, DAVID.
DAVID: OK.
SO YOU'VE PLAYED WITH MANY PROMINENT INDIVIDUALS OVER THE YEARS AND PROMINENT GOLFERS.
IF YOU COULD PICK ANY GOLFER TO BE YOUR PARTNER IN A TWOSOME, WHO WOULD YOU WANT TO HAVE AS YOUR PARTNER?
JACK: WELL, I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO PICK TIGER TODAY.
DAVID: OK. JACK: BUT THROUGH THE YEARS, I NEVER GOT TO PLAY WITH BOBBY JONES, EVEN THOUGH I KNEW HIM AND REALLY LOVED THE MAN.
I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE PLAYED WITH JONES.
AND I WOULD HAVE LOVED-- I PLAYED QUITE A BIT OF GOLF WITH HOGAN.
HOGAN WAS FANTASTIC.
DAVID: YOU HAVE ALSO PLAYED WITH A LOT OF PRESIDENTS OF THE UNITED STATES.
JACK: I'VE PLAYED WITH A FEW.
DAVID: AND WHICH ONE IS BEST?
AT PLAYING GOLF?
JACK: WELL, THE ONES I HAVE PLAYED WITH, ACTUALLY, TRUMP IS PROBABLY THE BEST PLAYER.
DAVID: REALLY?
JACK: TRUMP PLAYS REALLY WELL.
HE PLAYS A LITTLE BIT LIKE I DO.
HE DOESN'T REALLY EVER FINISH MANY HOLES, BUT HE CAN HIT THE BALL.
AND HE GOES OUT AND PLAYS AND JUST ENJOYS IT.
BUT HE HAS WON SEVERAL CLUB CHAMPIONSHIPS.
AND HE CAN PLAY.
GERALD FORD, I PLAYED 50 ROUNDS WITH FORD.
I USED TO PLAY WITH HIM AT THE AT&T EVERY YEAR.
AND FORD WAS ABOUT A 13 HANDICAP, BUT HE PLAYED TO A 13 HANDICAP.
CLINTON, I NEVER KNEW WHAT CLINTON MIGHT DO.
CLINTON, HE MIGHT PLAY TO A 10 OR HE MIGHT PLAY TO A 30.
BUT HE HAD A NICE GOLF SWING.
HE ENJOYED PLAYING.
ALL THESE GUYS ENJOYED PLAYING GOLF.
AND I DON'T THINK ANY ONE OF THEM REALLY WERE VERY SERIOUS ABOUT THE GAME, BUT THEY ALL ENJOYED PLAYING.
I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE GAME OF GOLF TO HAVE A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SAY, YOU KNOW, "THIS IS MY GAME."
DAVID: WHEN YOU ARE PLAYING IN THOSE KINDS OF MATCHES, LET'S SAY, THAT ARE FUN WITH THE PRESIDENT, AND LET'S SAY THE BALL IS 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE HOLE, WHY DO PEOPLE JUST NOT SAY, "PUTT IT OUT," AS OPPOSED TO, "OH, YOU CAN HAVE IT"?
WHY IS THAT DONE SO MUCH?
YOU JUST SAY, "I'LL LET YOU HAVE IT."
JACK: I THINK THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF... DAVID: COURTESY, OR?
JACK: WELL, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF POLITICS, TOO.
DAVID: OH, OK. JACK: YOU GIVE ME MINE-- I'LL GIVE YOU YOURS IF YOU GIVE ME MINE, THAT KIND OF ROUTINE, WHICH IS NOT GOLF.
DAVID: OK, SO IF YOU COULD LOOK BACK AT YOUR CAREER, THE THING YOU'RE MOST PROUD OF DOING WAS THE CONSISTENCY OVER SO MANY YEARS OR THE, UH, THE MAJOR TOURNAMENTS.
WHEN YOU WON THE MAJORS, IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE FOCUSED MUCH OF YOUR CAREER ON?
JACK: YOU KNOW, TO ME, GOLF WAS A GAME.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME WAS MY FAMILY.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT 5 KIDS WHO ALL KNOW ME.
MY WIFE MADE SURE THAT MY KIDS KNEW ME GROWING UP, AND I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THEM.
AND SHE'D BRING--SHE'S BRING THEM TO TOURNAMENTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNEW THEIR FATHER.
AND I'VE GOT 22 GRANDKIDS THAT ARE GREAT.
THEY ALL, YOU KNOW, I DO THINGS WITH ALL OF THEM ALL THE TIME.
NOW, THAT TO ME IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT.
GOLF'S A GAME, AND I LOVE THE GAME OF GOLF.
AND I'M PROUD OF MY MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIPS, OBVIOUSLY.
BUT THEY'RE-- YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE STILL JUST PART OF A GAME.
DAVID: NOW, YOU HAVE A GRANDSON WHO RECENTLY, AT A MASTERS PAR 3 TOURNAMENT, GOT A HOLE IN ONE.
WAS THAT A FAIRLY EMOTIONAL THING, TO SEE YOUR GRANDSON GET A HOLE IN ONE?
JACK: THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A FUNNY STORY.
HIS NAME IS GT, WHICH IS GARY THOMAS, AFTER HIS FATHER.
HE IS A JUNIOR.
AND WE WERE PLAYING-- WE WENT OUT AND PLAYED 9 HOLES.
AND I ALWAYS ASK THE KIDS-- I HAVE A DIFFERENT ONE CADDY FOR ME EVERY YEAR AT THE MASTERS TOURNAMENT.
I SAID, "DO YOU WANT TO HIT A BALL?"
HE SAYS, "WELL, NONE OF MY COUSINS HAVE EVER GOTTEN IT ON THE GREEN."
I SAID, "OH, OK." HE SAYS, "YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO HIT A BALL."
I SAID, "OK, FINE."
SO HE-- I SAID, "WELL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO KNOCK IT ON THE GREEN, YOU MAY AS WELL MAKE A HOLE IN ONE."
HE SAYS, "OK." SO HE SAW HIS-- HE WAS WITH HIS DAD AT THE MASTERS DINNER ON TUESDAY NIGHT.
HE SAYS, "PEEPAW"-- I'M PEEPAW.
HE SAYS, "PEEPAW THINKS I'M GONNA MAKE A HOLE IN ONE."
HE SAYS, "REALLY?"
HE SAYS, "YEAH.
IF I KNOCK IT ON THE GREEN, MAY AS WELL MAKE"... DARN IT IF THE NEXT DAY HE KNOCKS IT RIGHT IN THE HOLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, GARY PLAYER, WHO HE'S ACTUALLY NAMED AFTER, MY SON GARY BECAUSE GARY WAS SUCH A GREAT FRIEND AND SUCH A GREAT ROLE MODEL.
AND GARY WAS JUMPING ALL OVER THE PLACE.
TOM WATSON WAS JUMPING ALL OVER THE PLACE.
DAVID: SO, WHEN PLAYERS ARE PLAYING GOLF IN A TOURNAMENT, SO YOU ARE PAIRED WITH SOMEBODY, DO YOU ACTUALLY TALK DURING-- WHEN YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE FAIRWAY?
JACK: SURE.
DAVID: THEY TALK?
I THOUGHT SOME, THEY DIDN'T EVEN TALK TO EACH OTHER.
JACK: NO, NO, THE GUYS ARE GOOD FRIENDS.
ARNOLD AND I HAD A FIERCE RIVALRY.
AND WE BLEW MORE TOURNAMENTS FOR OURSELVES TRYING TO BEAT EACH OTHER THAN WORRYING ABOUT THE FIELD.
BUT WE WOULD GET OFF THE GOLF COURSE, AND WE WOULD LOOK AT IT AND WE'D SAY, "YEAH, WE DID IT AGAIN.
WE BOTH SHOT 75 WHILE EVERYBODY ELSE SHOT 65."
BUT JUST THE TWO OF US TRIED TO BEAT EACH OTHER.
BUT THEN WE WOULD SHAKE HANDS AND SAY, "OK, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO DINNER TONIGHT?"
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S-- I LOVE THE GOLF KIDS TODAY.
I LOVED WATCHING WHEN GARY WOODLAND FINISHED, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW ON TELEVISION, BUT YOU SAW 4 OR 5 OF THE OTHER PLAYERS, 6 OF THEM WERE OUT CONGRATULATING HIM.
WHEN JUSTIN THOMAS WON THE PGA TWO YEARS AGO, RICKY FOWLER AND JORDAN SPIETH WERE WAITING FOR HIM DOWN THERE AS HE FINISHED ON THE 18th GREEN.
THE GUYS REALLY SUPPORT EACH OTHER.
AND THEY'VE GOT ENOUGH MONEY.
THEY ARE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE MONEY.
THEY KNOW IT'S A GAME.
AND THESE GUYS ARE THEIR FRIENDS, AND THEY ENJOY IT.
DAVID: IN RECENT YEARS, TIGER WOODS HAS STRUGGLED A BIT.
HE WENT 10 YEARS BETWEEN WINNING A MAJOR TOURNAMENT.
DO YOU THINK TODAY THAT YOUR RECORD OF 18 MAJORS CAN BE BROKEN BY TIGER, OR BY ANYBODY?
JACK: I THINK SO.
THE WAY BROOKS KOEPKA IS GOING, HE'S GOING TO DO IT BEFORE TIGER.
I FELT LIKE--I REMEMBER THE LAST ONE THAT TIGER WON PRIOR TO THIS WAS AT TORREY PINES IN SAN DIEGO 10 YEARS AGO.
TIGER HIT IT ALL OVER THE PLACE AND WON THE TOURNAMENT.
NOW, HE HAD NOT HAD A BACK FUSION, AND HIS SWING IS MUCH BETTER NOW THAN IT WAS THEN.
HE HAS NOW LEARNED NOT TO HIT IT HARD, BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO HURT HIMSELF, AND TIGER'S SHORT GAME IS FANTASTIC.
TIGER IS GOING TO WIN A LOT MORE TOURNAMENTS.
WHETHER HE'S GOING TO WIN 3 OR 4 MORE MAJOR TOURNAMENTS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT TIGER'S-- 43 IN THE GAME OF GOLF TODAY, THAT IS NOT REALLY OLD.
DAVID: SO LET'S TALK A MOMENT ABOUT PHILANTHROPY.
I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT HOW YOU AND YOUR WIFE HAVE DECIDED TO FOCUS A LOT OF YOUR PHILANTHROPY ON CHILDREN'S HOSPITALS.
JACK: WELL, WE STARTED, DAVID, BACK WITH MY DAUGHTER IN 1966.
OUR DAUGHTER, NAN, WAS 11 MONTHS OLD AND SHE STARTED CHOKING.
AND WE COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY.
WE WOULD GET HER TO THE DOCTOR AND SHE WOULD BE FINE.
FINALLY, THE DOCTOR SAYS, "WE GOT TO GET THIS GAL DOWN TO THE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL."
WE WENT DOWN TO THE COLUMBUS CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL, NOW NATIONWIDE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL.
AND THEY FOUND A CRAYON IN HER WINDPIPE.
AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE--HOW IN THE WORLD THEY DIDN'T, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PEDIATRIC BRONCHOSCOPE.
THEY WENT DOWN WITH AN ADULT BRONCHOSCOPE.
BROKE THE CRAYON UP, DROPPED IT IN HER LUNGS.
SHE GOT PNEUMONIA.
FOR ABOUT 6 DAYS, SHE WAS, YOU KNOW, TOUCH AND GO.
AND AS BARBARA AND I WERE SITTING, WAITING FOR NAN, WHATEVER WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, WE JUST SAID IF WE EVER ARE IN A POSITION TO HELP OTHERS, WE WANT IT TO BE CHILDREN.
AND THEN 15 YEARS AGO, THE HONDA TOURNAMENT MOVED UP FROM FORT LAUDERDALE TO THE PALM BEACH AREA.
A FELLOW NAMED FRED MILLSAPS CAME TO ME, HE RAN THE CHARITIES, AND HE SAID, "JACK, WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN THIS AREA FOR CHILDREN'S CHARITIES?"
I LOOKED AT BARBARA AND SAID, "DO YOU WANT TO GO FOR IT?"
AND SHE SAID, "GO FOR IT."
SO WE STARTED OUR FOUNDATION.
WE HAVE BEEN THE MAIN BENEFICIARY FROM HONDA, SEVERAL OTHER EVENTS AND SO FORTH, AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY DONE ANYTHING LARGE, BUT WE'VE RAISED A LITTLE OVER $100 MILLION IN THE LAST 15 YEARS.
DAVID: THAT IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.
JACK: WHICH IS PRETTY GOOD.
DAVID: NOW, THE UNIVERSITY-- [APPLAUSE] THE MIAMI CITY CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL HAS BEEN RENAMED IN YOUR HONOR.
JACK: THEY WENT BACK--MIAMI WAS MIAMI CHILDREN'S, AND WE MADE AN ASSOCIATION WITH MIAMI CHILDREN'S.
AND AFTER A COUPLE YEARS, THEY CAME BACK TO US AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO BE A GLOBAL HOSPITAL, SO WE'D LIKE TO USE THE NICKLAUS NAME.
AND IT'S FANTASTIC.
TO SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THESE KIDS, I WILL TELL YOU ONE THING, IT IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN A 4-FOOT PUTT, AND I ENJOY IT A LOT MORE.
DAVID: YOU ENJOY IT.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE SATISFACTION OF WINNING THE MASTERS IS-- JACK: IT'S FANTASTIC.
DAVID: BUT THE SATISFACTION OF SAVING A CHILD'S LIFE IS-- JACK: IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.
DAVID: IT'S BEEN A GREAT LIFE AND A GREAT INSPIRATION FOR SO MANY AMERICANS AND PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR THE GOLF WORLD AND FOR OUR COUNTRY AND FOR PHILANTHROPY.
THANK YOU.
JACK: WELL, DAVID, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
I APPRECIATE IT.
[APPLAUSE] DAVID: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JACK: THANK YOU.
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