1 00:00:15,500 --> 00:00:16,800 >> TAX RETURNS, JOBS AND ELDERLY 2 00:00:16,133 --> 00:00:18,400 CHILDHOOD EDUCATION ARE HOT 3 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,200 TOPICS IN THE RACE FOR GOVERNOR. 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,500 SOME LAWMAKERS STRONGLY QUESTION 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,900 THE COST OF KENTUCKY'S MEDICAID 6 00:00:22,500 --> 00:00:24,200 EXPANSION. 7 00:00:22,900 --> 00:00:26,600 A PANEL IS APPOINTED TO LOOK AT 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,700 HOW TO FIX THE STATE TEACHERS 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,200 RETIREMENT SYSTEM BEFORE IT RUNS 10 00:00:27,700 --> 00:00:31,400 OUT OF MONEY. 11 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,400 AND KENTUCKY REMEMBERS AN 12 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:36,100 AWARD-WINNING JOURNALIST AND 13 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:38,166 EDITOR WHO PUSHED FOR PROGRESS. 14 00:00:36,100 --> 00:00:39,666 TROPICAL RAIN ARRIVES JUST AHEAD 15 00:00:38,166 --> 00:00:42,566 OF SUMMER, AND FATHER'S DAY. 16 00:00:39,666 --> 00:00:42,566 AND "COMMENT" IS NEXT ON KET 17 00:00:47,533 --> 00:00:51,166 GOOD EVENING. 18 00:00:48,300 --> 00:00:52,766 I'M BILL BRYANT. 19 00:00:51,166 --> 00:00:55,466 WE RECOMMEND TO YOU COMMENT ON 20 00:00:52,766 --> 00:00:55,733 KET. 21 00:00:55,466 --> 00:00:56,666 OUR 22 00:00:55,733 --> 00:00:57,466 RONNIE ELLIS, REPORTER FOR CNHI 23 00:00:56,666 --> 00:00:59,133 NEWS SERVICE, SAM YOUNGMAN, 24 00:00:57,466 --> 00:01:00,866 POLITICAL REPORTER FOR THE 25 00:00:59,133 --> 00:01:02,466 LEXINGTON HERALD-LEADER, AND 26 00:01:00,866 --> 00:01:05,133 DEBORAH YETTER, REPORTER FOR THE 27 00:01:02,466 --> 00:01:06,333 LOUISVILLE COURIER JOURNAL. 28 00:01:05,133 --> 00:01:08,133 GREAT PANEL TONIGHT. 29 00:01:06,333 --> 00:01:08,433 IT CERTAINLY IS GOOD TO HAVE YOU 30 00:01:08,133 --> 00:01:08,866 BACK. 31 00:01:08,433 --> 00:01:11,733 >> THANK YOU. 32 00:01:08,866 --> 00:01:13,333 >> BACK ON THE BEAT REPORTING ON 33 00:01:11,733 --> 00:01:14,733 SOCIAL SERVICES AFTER A FEW 34 00:01:13,333 --> 00:01:15,066 YEARS OFF WRITING EDITOR 35 00:01:14,733 --> 00:01:16,333 CORRALS. 36 00:01:15,066 --> 00:01:17,700 THIS WEEK THE SECRETARY OF 37 00:01:16,333 --> 00:01:19,233 HEALTH AND FAMILY SERVICES 38 00:01:17,700 --> 00:01:20,300 BROUGHT SOME NUMBERS IN, 39 00:01:19,233 --> 00:01:22,533 TESTIFIED ABOUT THE MEDICAID 40 00:01:20,300 --> 00:01:24,200 EXPANSION IN KENTUCKY, INDICATED 41 00:01:22,533 --> 00:01:24,833 THAT THINGS ARE GOING OKAY WITH 42 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,866 THAT. 43 00:01:24,833 --> 00:01:28,533 IT PROVIDES COVERAGE TO 44 00:01:25,866 --> 00:01:31,433 THOUSANDS WHO DIDN'T HAVE IT 45 00:01:28,533 --> 00:01:32,400 BEFORE, BUT SOME LAWMAKERS 46 00:01:31,433 --> 00:01:33,500 STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH THE 47 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,533 FIGURES AND THEY ARE QUESTIONING 48 00:01:33,500 --> 00:01:39,200 THE FUTURE COSTS TO THE STATE. 49 00:01:34,533 --> 00:01:40,900 >> I THINK THEY'VE ADDED ABOUT 4 50 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,666 4,400,000 PEOPLE, 500,000 TOTAL 51 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:43,600 ON THE AFFORDABLE CARE BUT 52 00:01:42,666 --> 00:01:44,900 400,000 THROUGH THE MEDICAID 53 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,700 EXPANSION, AND THE REPUBLICANS, 54 00:01:44,900 --> 00:01:47,600 ESPECIALLY IN THE LEGISLATURE 55 00:01:45,700 --> 00:01:49,300 WHO HAVE ALWAYS BEEN DUBIOUS 56 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,166 ABOUT WHETHER KENTUCKY CAN 57 00:01:49,300 --> 00:01:54,133 AFFORD ITS SHARE WHEN THE 58 00:01:51,166 --> 00:01:56,500 FEDERAL, BASICALLY THE FEDERAL 59 00:01:54,133 --> 00:01:57,633 COVERAGE RUNS OUT, THE FEDS 60 00:01:56,500 --> 00:02:00,466 FINANCED IT 100% THROUGH -- 61 00:01:57,633 --> 00:02:02,766 >> IT BEGINS IN 2017. 62 00:02:00,466 --> 00:02:06,466 >> AND IT WILL START TO PHASE 63 00:02:02,766 --> 00:02:07,166 OUT BUT THE FEDS WILL ALWAYS PAY 64 00:02:06,466 --> 00:02:08,466 10%. 65 00:02:07,166 --> 00:02:10,766 BUT T. SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF 66 00:02:08,466 --> 00:02:12,933 THE LEGISLATURE SAY EVEN THAT 67 00:02:10,766 --> 00:02:14,066 10% WHEN YOU'RE LINGER AT 68 00:02:12,933 --> 00:02:15,766 400,000 PEOPLE COULD BE QUITE A 69 00:02:14,066 --> 00:02:18,266 BIT FOR KENTUCKY, AND THEY'RE 70 00:02:15,766 --> 00:02:20,000 SKEPTICAL OF BESHEAR'S CLAIM AND 71 00:02:18,266 --> 00:02:21,566 AUDREY HAINES, SCATTER OF HEALTH 72 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,366 AND FAMILY SERVICES, THAT THE 73 00:02:21,566 --> 00:02:23,466 BENEFITS AND THE ECONOMIC 74 00:02:22,366 --> 00:02:25,466 DEVELOPMENT AND THE MONEY THIS 75 00:02:23,466 --> 00:02:26,966 PUTS INTO THE SYSTEM WILL MAKE 76 00:02:25,466 --> 00:02:27,566 UP FOR THE -- WHAT THE STATE HAS 77 00:02:26,966 --> 00:02:29,566 TO PAY. 78 00:02:27,566 --> 00:02:32,166 >> AND RONNIE, I UNDERSTAND IT 79 00:02:29,566 --> 00:02:32,733 GOT QUITE ACRIMONIOUS IN THAT 80 00:02:32,166 --> 00:02:33,666 OVERSIGHT MEETING. 81 00:02:32,733 --> 00:02:35,266 >> IT DID. 82 00:02:33,666 --> 00:02:37,433 THERE WERE DEBATES IN THAT 83 00:02:35,266 --> 00:02:39,433 MEETING NOT ONLY ABOUT MEDICAID 84 00:02:37,433 --> 00:02:40,666 EXPANSION BUT ALSO MANAGED CARE, 85 00:02:39,433 --> 00:02:44,066 WHICH THE STATE HAS MOVED TO IN 86 00:02:40,666 --> 00:02:46,033 ORDER TO REDUCE COSTS. 87 00:02:44,066 --> 00:02:48,433 BUT THEY BASICALLY QUESTIONED 88 00:02:46,033 --> 00:02:50,600 THE NUMBERS AND THE DATA 89 00:02:48,433 --> 00:02:53,866 PROVIDED BY SECRETARY HAINES. 90 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:55,033 FOR INSTANCE, DEBBIE'S NUMBERS 91 00:02:53,866 --> 00:02:56,866 ARE CORRECT. 92 00:02:55,033 --> 00:03:00,100 WE WILL INCREMENTALLY PICK UP A 93 00:02:56,866 --> 00:03:02,100 PIECE OF THAT 10% ON THE 94 00:03:00,100 --> 00:03:02,500 EXPANDED PORTION, NOT ALL 95 00:03:02,100 --> 00:03:04,300 MEDICAID. 96 00:03:02,500 --> 00:03:05,900 THE ONES THAT HAVE TRADITIONALLY 97 00:03:04,300 --> 00:03:08,700 BEEN THERE WERE ALREADY PAYING 98 00:03:05,900 --> 00:03:11,033 30% ON THOSE. 99 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:13,200 BUT SOME ESTIMATES ARE AS MUCH 100 00:03:11,033 --> 00:03:15,500 AS $300 MILLION WHEN THAT IS 101 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:18,700 FULLY PICKED UP. 102 00:03:15,500 --> 00:03:21,100 BUT MS. HAINES' POINT IS THAT 103 00:03:18,700 --> 00:03:24,200 BETWEEN THIS LAST YEAR AND THAT 104 00:03:21,100 --> 00:03:28,000 POINT, WE WILL HAVE SAVED 105 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:29,066 $919 MILLION, AND THEY JUST -- 106 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,300 THEY WON'T BUY THAT NUMBERS. 107 00:03:29,066 --> 00:03:30,600 >> IS THAT THROUGH THE MANAGED 108 00:03:30,300 --> 00:03:32,200 CARE? 109 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:35,000 >> IT'S THROUGH MANAGED CARE 110 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,600 BUT, NO, THE EXPANSION ITSELF, 111 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,233 IT'S LARGELY BECAUSE PEOPLE 112 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,833 FORGET THAT THE STATE -- 113 00:03:37,233 --> 00:03:42,066 >> UNCOMPENSATED CARE. 114 00:03:38,833 --> 00:03:43,500 >> -- HAVE TO PAY FOR CARE FOR 115 00:03:42,066 --> 00:03:44,766 STATE PRISONERS, WARDS OF THE 116 00:03:43,500 --> 00:03:46,966 STATE AND SO FORTH. 117 00:03:44,766 --> 00:03:48,400 NOW THOSE PEOPLE QUALIFY FOR THE 118 00:03:46,966 --> 00:03:50,466 EXPANDED MEDICAID, AND INSTEAD 119 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,566 OF THE STATE PAYING 100% OF THE 120 00:03:50,466 --> 00:03:54,200 COST, IT'S PAYING AT MOST 10% OF 121 00:03:52,566 --> 00:03:56,766 THE COST IN THREE YEARS. 122 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,100 >> WELL, IS THIS NUMBER A MOVING 123 00:03:56,766 --> 00:03:59,300 TARGET? 124 00:03:57,100 --> 00:04:04,033 AND DO THOSE WHO QUESTION THE 125 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:05,233 NUMBERS BELIEVE THERE'S NOT 126 00:04:04,033 --> 00:04:06,033 ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A 127 00:04:05,233 --> 00:04:07,666 VALID ESTIMATE? 128 00:04:06,033 --> 00:04:09,333 >> I THINK THAT'S TRUE. 129 00:04:07,666 --> 00:04:11,333 IT IS CERTAINLY A MOVING TARGET. 130 00:04:09,333 --> 00:04:11,633 I THINK THE CRITICS DO BELIEVE 131 00:04:11,333 --> 00:04:13,266 THAT. 132 00:04:11,633 --> 00:04:15,133 AND I THINK THE DEFENDERS WILL 133 00:04:13,266 --> 00:04:16,933 TURN AROUND AND TELL YOU IT'S A 134 00:04:15,133 --> 00:04:18,933 MOVING TARGET, TOO. 135 00:04:16,933 --> 00:04:20,333 THAT'S SO MANY YEARS OUT, SO 136 00:04:18,933 --> 00:04:23,733 MANY THINGS CAN CHANGE. 137 00:04:20,333 --> 00:04:25,533 AND IN FACT, ONE OF THE THINGS 138 00:04:23,733 --> 00:04:26,166 THAT SECRETARY HAINES TOLD THE 139 00:04:25,533 --> 00:04:28,033 OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE THAT 140 00:04:26,166 --> 00:04:29,466 MORNING, AND SHE WAS VERY 141 00:04:28,033 --> 00:04:31,533 CAREFUL TO SAY WE DON'T -- WE'RE 142 00:04:29,466 --> 00:04:33,333 NOT CLAIMING THIS TO BE A TREND 143 00:04:31,533 --> 00:04:35,133 BECAUSE IT'S A ONE-TIME THING, 144 00:04:33,333 --> 00:04:37,033 WE DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL 145 00:04:35,133 --> 00:04:39,033 CONTINUE, BUT THE NUMBER HAS 146 00:04:37,033 --> 00:04:41,133 ACTUALLY BEGUN TO DROP. 147 00:04:39,033 --> 00:04:43,933 THEY'RE ASSUMING, BECAUSE OF THE 148 00:04:41,133 --> 00:04:47,033 IMPROVING ECONOMY, PEOPLE FORGET 149 00:04:43,933 --> 00:04:49,433 MOST MEDICAID CLIENTS, IT'S NOT 150 00:04:47,033 --> 00:04:50,733 INCOME DETERMINATIVE, IT IS 151 00:04:49,433 --> 00:04:51,733 AGED, POOR AND DISABLE AND 152 00:04:50,733 --> 00:04:54,433 CHILDREN. 153 00:04:51,733 --> 00:04:55,333 BUT THE NEW EXPANDED PIECE IS 154 00:04:54,433 --> 00:04:59,233 INCOME-RELATED, AND AS PEOPLE 155 00:04:55,333 --> 00:05:00,600 GET BACK INTO THE JOB MARKET, 156 00:04:59,233 --> 00:05:02,000 THEY EARN THEIR WAY OUT. 157 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,400 >> THROUGH PRIVATE INSURANCE. 158 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,700 >> THEY WILL PICK UP AN EMPLOYER 159 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,500 PLAN OR THEY WILL MAKE ENOUGH 160 00:05:04,700 --> 00:05:08,000 MONEY THAT THEY DON'T QUALIFY 161 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:09,800 FOR MEDICAID IN YOUMORE BUT THEY 162 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,200 CAN GET A PRIVATE PLAN THROUGH 163 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,566 KYNECT, THROUGH THE HEALTH 164 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:12,400 EXCHANGE. 165 00:05:11,566 --> 00:05:14,200 >> SAM, THIS IS ONE OF THE 166 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,200 ISSUES THAT'S MAKING ITS WAY 167 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,600 INTO THE GOVERNOR'S RACE RIGHT 168 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,900 NOW. 169 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,400 YOU WROTE A PIECE EARLIER IN THE 170 00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:20,000 WEEK ABOUT THIS DILEMMA FOR 171 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,366 DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE JACK CONWAY 172 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,700 AS TO WHETHER HE EMBRACES THE 173 00:05:21,366 --> 00:05:25,900 MEDICAID EXPANSION AND KYNECT AS 174 00:05:23,700 --> 00:05:27,200 THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE MATT 175 00:05:25,900 --> 00:05:28,700 BEVIN INDICATES THAT HE WOULD 176 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,900 SHUT DOWN THE STATE EXCHANGE, 177 00:05:28,700 --> 00:05:32,200 MOVE THOSE PEOPLE OVER TO THE 178 00:05:30,900 --> 00:05:33,800 FEDERAL EXCHANGE, AND SCALE BACK 179 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,133 THE MEDICAID EXPANSION IN SOME 180 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,133 WAY. 181 00:05:34,133 --> 00:05:36,933 >> YEAH, WELL, I THINK THERE'S A 182 00:05:36,133 --> 00:05:37,633 POLITICAL RISK FOR BOTH 183 00:05:36,933 --> 00:05:39,033 ARGUMENTS. 184 00:05:37,633 --> 00:05:40,033 THAY THIS MATT BEVIN AND ANY 185 00:05:39,033 --> 00:05:42,866 REPUBLICAN REALLY MAKING THIS 186 00:05:40,033 --> 00:05:44,733 CASE RUNS THE RISK OF SEEMING T. 187 00:05:42,866 --> 00:05:46,300 VERY CALLOUS OR INDIFFERENT TO 188 00:05:44,733 --> 00:05:47,933 THE PLIGHT OF THE POOR. 189 00:05:46,300 --> 00:05:49,533 THE REASON I SORT OF TOOK A 190 00:05:47,933 --> 00:05:51,100 CLOSE LOOK AT WHETHER JACK 191 00:05:49,533 --> 00:05:52,933 CONWAY IS GOING TOME BRACE THIS, 192 00:05:51,100 --> 00:05:53,900 RUN ON IT OR RUN FROM IT, IS 193 00:05:52,933 --> 00:05:55,133 JUST LOOKING FOR BACK AT WHAT WE 194 00:05:53,900 --> 00:05:55,933 SAW LAST YEAR. 195 00:05:55,133 --> 00:05:57,533 WE SAW ALISON LUNDERGAN GRIMES 196 00:05:55,933 --> 00:05:59,133 TAKE THIS SORT OF LUKEWARM 197 00:05:57,533 --> 00:06:00,400 APPROACH, NOT REALLY EMBRACING 198 00:05:59,133 --> 00:06:02,000 IT, SAYING I LIKE IT BUT WANT IT 199 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,266 TO CHANGE, BUT NOT SAYING WHAT 200 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,666 SHE WOULD CHANGE, AND I THINK 201 00:06:03,266 --> 00:06:06,566 THE QUESTION YOU HAVE TO ASK 202 00:06:04,666 --> 00:06:08,100 YOURSELF IS IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT 203 00:06:06,566 --> 00:06:11,033 RUNNING IN KENTUCKY, YOU LOOK AT 204 00:06:08,100 --> 00:06:11,733 THE POLLING AND YOU SEE THAT 205 00:06:11,033 --> 00:06:12,200 PEOPLE LIKE WICKETT THEY DON'T 206 00:06:11,733 --> 00:06:14,666 LIKE OBAMACARE. 207 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:17,266 DO YOU TAKE THE RISK AND RUN ON 208 00:06:14,666 --> 00:06:18,633 KYNECT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE 209 00:06:17,266 --> 00:06:19,800 RUNNING TO SEED STEVE BESHEAR? 210 00:06:18,633 --> 00:06:20,666 THIS IS THE CORNER SAN ANTONIO 211 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,766 HIS LEGACY. 212 00:06:20,666 --> 00:06:25,433 I TALKED TO OUR FRIEND STEVEN 213 00:06:24,766 --> 00:06:26,866 VOSS AT THE TIME UNIVERSITY 214 00:06:25,433 --> 00:06:28,066 KENTUCKY IT'S A LOT EASIER FOR 215 00:06:26,866 --> 00:06:29,666 THE GOVERNOR TO GET OUT THERE 216 00:06:28,066 --> 00:06:30,466 AND PUSH FOR JACK IF JACK IS 217 00:06:29,666 --> 00:06:33,300 PUSHING FOR HIS PROGRAM. 218 00:06:30,466 --> 00:06:34,533 >> AND YOU'RE TALKING A MATTER 219 00:06:33,300 --> 00:06:35,966 OF SEMANTICS IN POLLING. 220 00:06:34,533 --> 00:06:37,566 >> SURE, ABSOLUTELY. 221 00:06:35,966 --> 00:06:38,966 AND REGION MADE THIS POINT 222 00:06:37,566 --> 00:06:41,200 EARLIER, HE AND I WERE ON A 223 00:06:38,966 --> 00:06:42,566 FORUM TOGETHER THAT THE PREFIXED 224 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,066 HAS A LOT TO DO WITH IT. 225 00:06:42,566 --> 00:06:46,666 IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE KY 226 00:06:44,066 --> 00:06:47,166 OR THE OBAMA, THAT CAN GREATLY 227 00:06:46,666 --> 00:06:48,800 INFLUENCE PEOPLE. 228 00:06:47,166 --> 00:06:49,533 BUT IF YOU LOOK LAST YEAR AND 229 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,700 ALISON LUNDERGAN GRIMES DID NOT 230 00:06:49,533 --> 00:06:53,066 MAKE AN EFFORT TO EMBRACE THE 231 00:06:51,700 --> 00:06:54,533 HEALTH CARE LAW, THE EXCHANGE 232 00:06:53,066 --> 00:06:56,200 HERE IN KENTUCKY ELIZABETH JENN 233 00:06:54,533 --> 00:06:58,200 WHO RAN FOR CONGRESS IN THE 234 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,533 LEXINGTON AREA IN THE 6th 235 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,900 ACCORDING DISTRICT HE EMBRACED 236 00:06:59,533 --> 00:07:02,733 IT, SHE RAN ON IT. 237 00:07:00,900 --> 00:07:04,700 SHE ALSO LOST BALAD. 238 00:07:02,733 --> 00:07:05,000 SO I THINK I CAN UNDERSTAND -- 239 00:07:04,700 --> 00:07:07,100 BADLY. 240 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,400 I CAN UNDERSTAND THE RISKS THEY 241 00:07:07,100 --> 00:07:10,300 SEE WHEN THEY'RE DECIDING NOT TO 242 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,800 EMBRACE THIS. 243 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:12,700 MY PERSONAL OPINION I FEEL 244 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,333 CANDIDATES ARE STRONGER WHEN 245 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:16,400 THEY RUN ON SOMETHING RATHER 246 00:07:14,333 --> 00:07:18,833 THAN RUN AWAY FROM IT. 247 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,566 BUT AS LONG AS DEMOCRATS RUNNING 248 00:07:18,833 --> 00:07:22,000 AGAINST THESE HEADWINDS CREATED 249 00:07:19,566 --> 00:07:23,600 BY THE PRESIDENT'S APPROVAL 250 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,366 RATING IN KEV IT'S GOING TO BE A 251 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,066 TOUGH CALL FOR THEM. 252 00:07:24,366 --> 00:07:28,100 >> WHERE IS CON WITE ISSUE? 253 00:07:26,066 --> 00:07:30,500 >> WHAT HE'S TOLD ME ON ELECTION 254 00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:33,100 DAY, AND HE SAID, WE DIDN'T EVEN 255 00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:34,300 KNOW THE FULL COST OF THIS UNTIL 256 00:07:33,100 --> 00:07:35,600 2021 HELP HOW CAN YOU SAY WE 257 00:07:34,300 --> 00:07:36,800 CAN'T AFFORD IT IF YOU DON'T 258 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,200 KNOW WHAT IT COSTS? 259 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:42,766 HE SAID HE'S OPEN TO TINKERING. 260 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,500 IT WAS SIMILAR TO THE E. ANSWER 261 00:07:42,766 --> 00:07:45,200 GRIMES GIVES LAST YEAR, HE'S 262 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:45,500 OPEN TO TINKERING WITH THIS OR 263 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:46,700 THAT. 264 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:48,100 I AMWHAT I'M NOT TWILLING TO DO 265 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:49,900 IS LOOK HALF HAD A MILLION 266 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:50,700 KENTUCKIANS AND SAY I'M TAKING 267 00:07:49,900 --> 00:07:52,600 AWAY YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE. 268 00:07:50,700 --> 00:07:53,600 >> THE CANDIDATES TOGETHER 269 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,666 APPEARED IN LOUISVILLE TODAY. 270 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,600 YOU WERE BOTH THERE. 271 00:07:54,666 --> 00:07:56,800 HOW DID SOMETHING THAT. 272 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,433 >> IT WAS A BLAST. 273 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,766 >> WAS IT VERY EXCITING? 274 00:07:58,433 --> 00:08:02,366 >> IT WAS NOT A DEBATE. 275 00:08:00,766 --> 00:08:03,333 THAT MUCH IS CERTAIN. 276 00:08:02,366 --> 00:08:05,266 THE CANDIDATES, AND REALLY IT 277 00:08:03,333 --> 00:08:07,133 WAS TOP TO BOTTOM OF THE TICKET 278 00:08:05,266 --> 00:08:08,266 ALL GOT UP AND SPOKE. 279 00:08:07,133 --> 00:08:09,466 FOR THE GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATES 280 00:08:08,266 --> 00:08:10,333 IT WAS AN ALLOTTED 15 MINUTES 281 00:08:09,466 --> 00:08:12,333 FOR EACH OF THEM. 282 00:08:10,333 --> 00:08:13,433 WHAT WE HEARD FROM JACK CONWAY I 283 00:08:12,333 --> 00:08:14,833 THINK WAS WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT 284 00:08:13,433 --> 00:08:15,966 TO HEAR FROM SOMEBODY WHO HAS 285 00:08:14,833 --> 00:08:17,833 BEEN RUNNING IN CO-FOR SHOT 286 00:08:15,966 --> 00:08:19,266 CLOCK HE HAS. 287 00:08:17,833 --> 00:08:20,800 HE WAS FAMILIAR -- RUNNING IN 288 00:08:19,266 --> 00:08:22,866 KENTUCKY FOR AS LONG HE HAS. 289 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,433 HE WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE THE 290 00:08:22,866 --> 00:08:26,333 COUNTY JUDGES AND MAGISTRATES. 291 00:08:24,433 --> 00:08:28,133 WHAT YOU HEARD FROM MATT BEVIN 292 00:08:26,333 --> 00:08:30,933 IS MORE OF WHAT YOU HEARD FROM 293 00:08:28,133 --> 00:08:32,733 HIM WAS AN INTRODUCTION, OUGHT 294 00:08:30,933 --> 00:08:34,033 BY GRAPHICAL. 295 00:08:32,733 --> 00:08:35,533 I WAS REMIND OUTSIDE OF A 296 00:08:34,033 --> 00:08:37,866 REPUBLICAN PRIMARY AUDIENCE HE'S 297 00:08:35,533 --> 00:08:39,266 NOT THAT WELL-KNOWN WITH THE 298 00:08:37,866 --> 00:08:41,200 GENERAL ELECTORATE AT THAT TIME 299 00:08:39,266 --> 00:08:41,866 SO HE'S GOT TO GO THROUGH THAT 300 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,833 AGAIN INTRODUCING HIMSELF. 301 00:08:41,866 --> 00:08:45,466 I THINK WE DID SEE SOME PREVIEWS 302 00:08:43,833 --> 00:08:46,133 OF WHAT ARE GOING TO BE SOME 303 00:08:45,466 --> 00:08:49,233 FLASHPOINTS MOVING INTO THE 304 00:08:46,133 --> 00:08:49,800 FALL, AMONG THEM BEING EARLY 305 00:08:49,233 --> 00:08:52,100 CHILDHOOD EDUCATION. 306 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,333 IT WAS AN INTERESTING CONTRAST 307 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:54,700 IN THAT YOU HAD JACK CONWAY 308 00:08:53,333 --> 00:08:56,300 TALKING ABOUT WHAT KENTUCKY 309 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:58,033 NEEDS, WHAT THE COUNTIES NEED. 310 00:08:56,300 --> 00:08:59,000 AND THEN YOU HAD MATT BEVIN 311 00:08:58,033 --> 00:09:00,800 ESSENTIALLY SAYING, EVERYTHING 312 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,900 THAT GUY JUST SAID, WE CAN'T 313 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,600 AFFORD ANY OF IT. 314 00:09:01,900 --> 00:09:05,300 SO IT SETS UP, I THINK 315 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,000 UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS GOING TO 316 00:09:05,300 --> 00:09:08,500 BE A VERY NASTY RACE. 317 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,900 SOMEBODY ASKED ME FOR MY 318 00:09:08,500 --> 00:09:10,600 PREDICTION. 319 00:09:08,900 --> 00:09:11,100 I SAID I'M PREDICTING LOW 320 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,233 TURNOUT. 321 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:12,966 THAT'S ABOUT AS FAR AS I'M 322 00:09:12,233 --> 00:09:16,466 WILLING TO GO RIGHT NOW. 323 00:09:12,966 --> 00:09:17,666 BUT AT LEAST WHAT WE'RE SEEING 324 00:09:16,466 --> 00:09:18,400 VERY STARK CONTRASTS IN WHERE 325 00:09:17,666 --> 00:09:20,666 THEY STAND ON THE ISSUE. 326 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,566 >> CONWAY RELEASED THREE YEARS 327 00:09:20,666 --> 00:09:22,966 WORTH OF INCOME TAX RUSHES 328 00:09:21,566 --> 00:09:24,066 EARLIER IN THE WEEK AND 329 00:09:22,966 --> 00:09:26,266 CHALLENGED BEVIN TO DO THE SAME. 330 00:09:24,066 --> 00:09:27,033 WHAT DO WE LEARN FROM SEEING 331 00:09:26,266 --> 00:09:28,366 CONWAY'S RETURNS? 332 00:09:27,033 --> 00:09:30,466 HE HAD A GOOD YEAR LAST YEAR. 333 00:09:28,366 --> 00:09:31,166 >> HE HAD A VERY GOOD YEAR LAST 334 00:09:30,466 --> 00:09:32,266 YEAR. 335 00:09:31,166 --> 00:09:32,866 BOTH CANDIDATES ARE WEALTHY TO 336 00:09:32,266 --> 00:09:34,466 SOME STENT. 337 00:09:32,866 --> 00:09:37,666 THE QUESTION IS HOW HEALTHY 338 00:09:34,466 --> 00:09:40,366 WEALTHY PERHAPS WITH MR. BEVIN. 339 00:09:37,666 --> 00:09:41,566 MR. CONWAY LAST YEAR SOLD A 340 00:09:40,366 --> 00:09:44,066 GREAT DEAL OF STOCK THAT HE HAD 341 00:09:41,566 --> 00:09:45,666 INVESTED IN, ABOUT $5 MILLION 342 00:09:44,066 --> 00:09:47,866 WORTH, WHICH GAVE HIM A TAXABLE 343 00:09:45,666 --> 00:09:48,366 INCOME FOR THE YEAR OF ABOUT 344 00:09:47,866 --> 00:09:50,666 $4.1 MILLION. 345 00:09:48,366 --> 00:09:52,266 NOW, HE REINVESTED ABOUT 90% OF 346 00:09:50,666 --> 00:09:56,066 THAT MONEY, AND IT ENDED UP 347 00:09:52,266 --> 00:09:57,466 PAYING ABOUT A $1.1 MILLION IN 348 00:09:56,066 --> 00:09:58,266 FEDERAL -- COMBINED FEDERAL AND 349 00:09:57,466 --> 00:09:59,966 STATE TAXES. 350 00:09:58,266 --> 00:10:02,366 THAT WAS AN UNUSUAL YEAR. 351 00:09:59,966 --> 00:10:03,866 THE YEAR BEFORE I THINK HE MADE 352 00:10:02,366 --> 00:10:05,866 $233,000 AND THE YEAR BEFORE 353 00:10:03,866 --> 00:10:06,366 THAT SOMETHING JUST UNDER 354 00:10:05,866 --> 00:10:08,900 $220,000. 355 00:10:06,366 --> 00:10:09,433 EACH YEAR HE PAID ABOUT 19 OR 356 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:12,866 20 PERCENT RATE ON. 357 00:10:09,433 --> 00:10:13,766 >> SO IT WAS A LOT OF STOCK 358 00:10:12,866 --> 00:10:15,266 EXCHANGES LAST YEAR? 359 00:10:13,766 --> 00:10:17,500 >> YES. 360 00:10:15,266 --> 00:10:17,833 HE SOLD -- 57,000 UNITS I 361 00:10:17,500 --> 00:10:19,533 BELIEVE. 362 00:10:17,833 --> 00:10:22,866 I'M NOT SURE OF THAT NUMBER BUT 363 00:10:19,533 --> 00:10:24,066 IT WAS $5.1 MILLION IN WORTH. 364 00:10:22,866 --> 00:10:26,266 HE, OF COURSE, IS CHALLENGING 365 00:10:24,066 --> 00:10:27,666 BEVIN TO RELEASE HIS TAX 366 00:10:26,266 --> 00:10:29,266 RETURNS. 367 00:10:27,666 --> 00:10:31,566 BEVIN, WHO TOUTS THE COMPANIES 368 00:10:29,266 --> 00:10:34,066 THAT HE'S BEGUN AND HE RUNS AN 369 00:10:31,566 --> 00:10:36,133 INVESTMENT COMPANY, SAID TODAY 370 00:10:34,066 --> 00:10:39,766 HE MANAGES -- '05 FORGOTTEN HOW 371 00:10:36,133 --> 00:10:40,866 MANY BILLION BE -- 5 BILLION OF 372 00:10:39,766 --> 00:10:42,366 PENSION BENEFITS BUT SHE HAD 373 00:10:40,866 --> 00:10:44,166 HEIST IT'S A DISTRACTION IN 374 00:10:42,366 --> 00:10:46,566 NONSENSE TO RELEASE HIS TAX 375 00:10:44,166 --> 00:10:48,866 RETURNS BOOF OF ABOUT BEING 376 00:10:46,566 --> 00:10:50,066 ELECTED GOVERNOR BUT WE WOULD DO 377 00:10:48,866 --> 00:10:50,400 SO AFTER HE IS ELECTED IF HE IS 378 00:10:50,066 --> 00:10:51,966 ELECTED. 379 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,666 >> I THINK THIS IS HAD A SMART 380 00:10:51,966 --> 00:10:55,366 POLITICAL GAM BIT FOR THE CONWAY 381 00:10:53,666 --> 00:10:56,466 CAMPAIGN RIGHT OUT OF THE GAME 382 00:10:55,366 --> 00:10:57,866 AT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS USING 383 00:10:56,466 --> 00:11:00,833 THIS ISSUE TO CONTINUE THE 384 00:10:57,866 --> 00:11:02,433 NARRATIVE THAT THE McCONNELL 385 00:11:00,833 --> 00:11:04,400 CAMPAIGN BUILT AS PAINTING MATT 386 00:11:02,433 --> 00:11:04,733 BEVIN AS DISHONEST OR UNTRUST 387 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,100 WORTHY. 388 00:11:04,733 --> 00:11:08,533 WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THEY PUT 389 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:10,233 UP THE TAX RETURNS AND THEN 390 00:11:08,533 --> 00:11:12,033 IMMEDIATELY ASKED, MATT, WHY 391 00:11:10,233 --> 00:11:12,366 WON'T YOU AND WHAT ARE YOU 392 00:11:12,033 --> 00:11:14,000 HIDEING? 393 00:11:12,366 --> 00:11:16,900 AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, MATT 394 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,133 INTENSIVE STILL LARGELY UNKNOWN 395 00:11:16,900 --> 00:11:19,033 AUTONOMY TO ALIENLY GENERAL 396 00:11:18,133 --> 00:11:21,533 ELECTORATE AUDIENCE. 397 00:11:19,033 --> 00:11:23,033 IF YOU'RE ROOTING FOR JACK CON 398 00:11:21,533 --> 00:11:24,933 QUAYE YOU HAVE TO BE HAPPY WITH 399 00:11:23,033 --> 00:11:25,233 THIS OPENING SALVO OR ATTACK 400 00:11:24,933 --> 00:11:26,433 LINE. 401 00:11:25,233 --> 00:11:28,900 >> WILL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE 402 00:11:26,433 --> 00:11:30,700 CONTINUE TO BE AN ISSUE IN THE 403 00:11:28,900 --> 00:11:32,733 CAMPAIGN AND COULD BEVIN REVERSE 404 00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:34,933 COURSE AS WAS POINTED OUT ON THE 405 00:11:32,733 --> 00:11:36,800 PROGRAM LAST WEEK, STEVE BESHEAR 406 00:11:34,933 --> 00:11:39,633 DID THIS 2007 WHEN INITIALLY HOO 407 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,966 HE WAS RELUCTANT TO RELEASE HIS 408 00:11:39,633 --> 00:11:42,900 RETURNS? 409 00:11:39,966 --> 00:11:44,100 >> TITUS A GOOD WAY TO MAKING IT 410 00:11:42,900 --> 00:11:47,700 GO AWAY. 411 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:49,800 WAS WE'RE GETTING IS IT'S BEEN 412 00:11:47,700 --> 00:11:52,233 NINE DAYS SINCE MATT BEVIN 413 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,700 REFUSED TO RELEASE HIS TAX 414 00:11:52,233 --> 00:11:55,133 RETURNS. 415 00:11:53,700 --> 00:11:58,366 ANY EFFORT TO PAINT SOMEBODY WHO 416 00:11:55,133 --> 00:11:59,233 IS NOT FROM HERE, HAS A RECORDED 417 00:11:58,366 --> 00:12:00,566 OFFER OF SAYING THINGS THAT 418 00:11:59,233 --> 00:12:02,300 AREN'T NECESSARILY TRUE, I THINK 419 00:12:00,566 --> 00:12:03,100 YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THEM AS A 420 00:12:02,300 --> 00:12:05,100 WAY TO HAMMER THIS ISSUE. 421 00:12:03,100 --> 00:12:08,000 >> AND BEVIN IS PUSHING CONWAY 422 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:10,500 TO RELEASE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE 423 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,800 JOB PLANS, AND APPARENTLY CONWAY 424 00:12:10,500 --> 00:12:12,266 IS EXPECTING TO DO SOMETHING 425 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,300 NEXT WEEK. 426 00:12:12,266 --> 00:12:15,866 >> HE IS GOING TO'S LEASE A JOBS 427 00:12:14,300 --> 00:12:17,666 PROGRAM NEXT WEEK, AND MATT 428 00:12:15,866 --> 00:12:18,400 BEVIN SAID THAT IS, QUOTE, 429 00:12:17,666 --> 00:12:19,400 AWESOME. 430 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,066 AFTER BEING IN THE RACE FOR A 431 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,466 YEAR IT'S ABOUT TIME. 432 00:12:20,066 --> 00:12:24,766 >> AND INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE 433 00:12:22,466 --> 00:12:26,266 DREW KIRTZ HAS THIS OFF-BEAT 434 00:12:24,766 --> 00:12:27,566 WEBSITE CALLED F.A.R.C..COM THAT 435 00:12:26,266 --> 00:12:29,000 COLLECTS FIN STORIES FROM AROUND 436 00:12:27,566 --> 00:12:30,166 THE WORLD, AND FROM RIGHT HERE 437 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,666 IN KENTUCKY IS WHERE HE 438 00:12:30,166 --> 00:12:33,066 OPERATES. 439 00:12:30,666 --> 00:12:33,866 HE LEARNED HE CANNOT USE 440 00:12:33,066 --> 00:12:35,966 ELECTRICALLIC SIGNATURES TO 441 00:12:33,866 --> 00:12:36,766 REACH THE 5,000 QUALIFIEDICS 442 00:12:35,966 --> 00:12:38,766 SIGNATURES THAT HE WHOSE TO HAVE 443 00:12:36,766 --> 00:12:39,366 TO GET ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT IN 444 00:12:38,766 --> 00:12:41,066 KENTUCKY. 445 00:12:39,366 --> 00:12:41,966 DOES THAT MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR 446 00:12:41,066 --> 00:12:42,633 HIM TO REACH THAT BAR? 447 00:12:41,966 --> 00:12:43,966 >> I THINK SO. 448 00:12:42,633 --> 00:12:45,566 >> YEAH, I THINK SO, TOO. 449 00:12:43,966 --> 00:12:49,066 YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN EASY THING 450 00:12:45,566 --> 00:12:50,266 TO DO TO GET 5,000 VALID 451 00:12:49,066 --> 00:12:52,666 SIGNATURES. 452 00:12:50,266 --> 00:12:54,666 AND IN FACT IF THE THRESHOLD OR 453 00:12:52,666 --> 00:12:58,566 THE MARK IS 5,000, MOST 454 00:12:54,666 --> 00:13:00,133 CANDIDATES WILL TRY TO GET 7,000 455 00:12:58,566 --> 00:13:01,933 JUST ANTICIPATING THE NUMBERS 456 00:13:00,133 --> 00:13:03,433 THAT COULD BE DISQUALIFIED AS 457 00:13:01,933 --> 00:13:05,133 NOT VALID. 458 00:13:03,433 --> 00:13:07,033 SO NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT 459 00:13:05,133 --> 00:13:07,500 AVENUE JUST MAKE IT THAT MUCH 460 00:13:07,033 --> 00:13:09,433 MORE DIFFICULT. 461 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:10,933 >> AS OF LAST WEEK THEY WERE 462 00:13:09,433 --> 00:13:11,833 THERE HALFWAY THERE. 463 00:13:10,933 --> 00:13:13,733 DREW IS VERY CONFIDENT HE'S 464 00:13:11,833 --> 00:13:14,800 GOING TO GET THERE. 465 00:13:13,733 --> 00:13:15,900 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, DREW 466 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,733 IS A VERY CAST GUY. 467 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:18,066 >> HE'S WORKINGY FESTIVALS AND 468 00:13:17,733 --> 00:13:19,700 PARADES? 469 00:13:18,066 --> 00:13:21,433 >> I WENT IN THE -- IN THE 470 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:24,433 SPRING I WENT WITH HIM TO A 471 00:13:21,433 --> 00:13:25,166 COMIC BOOK CONVENTION KNOWN AS 472 00:13:24,433 --> 00:13:26,500 COMIC CON IN LICENSES WHERE HE 473 00:13:25,166 --> 00:13:28,500 WAS TRYING TO GET SIGNATURE FROM 474 00:13:26,500 --> 00:13:29,500 THE CHEWBACCA AND IS THE 475 00:13:28,500 --> 00:13:30,033 STORMTROOPERS THAT WERE WALK CAN 476 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:30,833 BY. 477 00:13:30,033 --> 00:13:32,600 HE FEELS VERY CONFIDENT. 478 00:13:30,833 --> 00:13:34,000 THE FIRST TIME I SAT DOWN WITH 479 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,100 HIM HE SAID I CAN GET THE VOTES 480 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,600 I NEED, I JUST HAVE TO GET THE 481 00:13:36,100 --> 00:13:39,000 SIGNATURES FIRST. 482 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,200 BUT IT IS A DIFFICULT THING FOOD 483 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,400 HALFWAY THERE WE'VE GOT A LITTLE 484 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,600 OVER -- OR JUST LESS THAN TWO 485 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,400 MONTHS TO GET THEM. 486 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,800 IT'S GOING TO I THINK GO DOWN TO 487 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,200 THE WIRE. 488 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:51,066 >> THE KENTUCKY CORPORATION THAT 489 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:52,200 BANS FROM MAKING POLITICAL 490 00:13:51,066 --> 00:13:52,966 CONTRIBUTIONS TO PARTIES IS 491 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,500 UNDER LEGAL CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW. 492 00:13:52,966 --> 00:13:57,800 >> IT'S BEEN CHALLENGED IN 493 00:13:54,500 --> 00:14:00,166 FRANKLIN CIRCUIT COURT BY THE 494 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,466 PROTECT MY CHECK GROUP OUT OF 495 00:14:00,166 --> 00:14:03,966 FLORIDA, WHICH IS SPONSORING ALL 496 00:14:01,466 --> 00:14:05,033 THE LOCAL RIGHT TO WORK 497 00:14:03,966 --> 00:14:07,766 ORDINANCES. 498 00:14:05,033 --> 00:14:10,466 THEY HAVE SECURED LEGAL HELP 499 00:14:07,766 --> 00:14:11,966 FROM AN ORGANIZATION CALLED THE 500 00:14:10,466 --> 00:14:13,766 GOLDWATER INSTITUTE OUT OF 501 00:14:11,966 --> 00:14:16,166 ARIZONA, AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT OR 502 00:14:13,766 --> 00:14:18,966 MIGHT NOT BE SURPRISED TO HEAR. 503 00:14:16,166 --> 00:14:21,966 THEIR CASE BASICALLY IS UNIONS 504 00:14:18,966 --> 00:14:24,666 MAY MAKE DONATIONS BUT ARE 505 00:14:21,966 --> 00:14:25,266 CORPORATIONS CANNOT, AND IT'S 506 00:14:24,666 --> 00:14:27,000 DISCRIMINATORY. 507 00:14:25,266 --> 00:14:29,966 WE'LL SEE. 508 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,366 I THINKY THEIR LARGER GOAL IS 509 00:14:29,966 --> 00:14:31,766 RETREATED RIGHT TO WORK 510 00:14:31,366 --> 00:14:33,233 LEGISLATION. 511 00:14:31,766 --> 00:14:34,933 >> DEBORAH, AS WE MENTIONED 512 00:14:33,233 --> 00:14:36,666 YOU'RE BACK ON YOUR BEAT 513 00:14:34,933 --> 00:14:39,333 COVERING SOCIAL SERVICES AFTER A 514 00:14:36,666 --> 00:14:39,766 FEW YEARS AWAY WRITING EDITOR 515 00:14:39,333 --> 00:14:41,066 ALWAYS OODLES. 516 00:14:39,766 --> 00:14:41,666 YOU HAD YOUR OWN OFFICE THERE IN 517 00:14:41,066 --> 00:14:42,633 LOUISVILLE FOR A WHILE. 518 00:14:41,666 --> 00:14:43,366 >> I DID. 519 00:14:42,633 --> 00:14:46,666 IT WAS KIND OF LONELY. 520 00:14:43,366 --> 00:14:47,933 >> SO ARE THE ISSUES THE SAME? 521 00:14:46,666 --> 00:14:49,333 ARE THE STORIES PLENTIFUL NOW 522 00:14:47,933 --> 00:14:51,266 THAT YOU'RE BACK ON THIS BEAT? 523 00:14:49,333 --> 00:14:52,466 >> THEY ARE, AND SADLY I DON'T 524 00:14:51,266 --> 00:14:54,566 SEE A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGE HELP 525 00:14:52,466 --> 00:14:56,200 IN FACT, THE DEMAND FOR SOCIAL 526 00:14:54,566 --> 00:14:58,166 SERVICES HAS EVEN INCREASED. 527 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,666 I REPORTED EARLIER THIS WEEK 528 00:14:58,166 --> 00:15:01,966 THAT APPARENTLY A RECORD NUMBER 529 00:14:59,666 --> 00:15:04,133 OF KIDS ARE NOW BEING TAKEN OUT 530 00:15:01,966 --> 00:15:05,333 OF HOMES BECAUSE OF ABUSE, 531 00:15:04,133 --> 00:15:07,200 SUSPECTED ABUSE AND NEGLECT. 532 00:15:05,333 --> 00:15:09,500 THAT'S UP OVER 8,000, AND NO ONE 533 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,233 CAN REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS HIGHER. 534 00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:11,766 THERE ARE DIFFERENT THEORIES 535 00:15:10,233 --> 00:15:13,533 ABOUT THAT. 536 00:15:11,766 --> 00:15:15,733 SOME SAY THAT THE RECOVERY 537 00:15:13,533 --> 00:15:19,633 HASN'T QUITE BIT EVERYBODY IN 538 00:15:15,733 --> 00:15:21,233 KENTUCKY, AND POVERTY AND JUST 539 00:15:19,633 --> 00:15:22,433 HOMELESSNESS AND A LOT OF THOSE 540 00:15:21,233 --> 00:15:22,800 ISSUES, SUBSTANCE ABUSERS A 541 00:15:22,433 --> 00:15:25,633 PROBLEM. 542 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,333 HEROIN IS CONTINUING TO 543 00:15:25,633 --> 00:15:27,200 INFILTRATE THE FAMILY SPORTS, 544 00:15:26,333 --> 00:15:28,400 THAT'S APPARENTLY A VERY, VERY 545 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,000 DIFFICULT POPULATION TO WORK 546 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,000 WITH. 547 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,533 SO THE STATE IS DEALING WITH 548 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,200 THAT ISSUE AND, OF COURSE, THAT 549 00:15:32,533 --> 00:15:36,700 ADDS TO DISPLACEMENT FOR KIDS, 550 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,766 INCREASED COSTS, A LOT OF 551 00:15:36,700 --> 00:15:40,900 DISRUPTION. 552 00:15:37,766 --> 00:15:42,100 >> THE NEEDLE EXCHANGES ARE 553 00:15:40,900 --> 00:15:43,400 STARTING IN THE STATE. 554 00:15:42,100 --> 00:15:45,500 THERE'S ONE IN LOUISVILLE AND 555 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,133 SOME OTHERS ARE SOMEWHERE THE IN 556 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:47,500 PROFESSES GETTING GOING. 557 00:15:46,133 --> 00:15:49,500 THIS IS PART OF THE EFFORT TO 558 00:15:47,500 --> 00:15:51,433 TRY TO DEAL WITH HEROIN. 559 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:51,966 IT'S VERY EARLY IN LOUISVILLE'S 560 00:15:51,433 --> 00:15:53,100 EXPERIMENT, RIGHT? 561 00:15:51,966 --> 00:15:53,700 >> I THINK IT JUST STARTED THIS 562 00:15:53,100 --> 00:15:55,200 WEEK OR LAST. 563 00:15:53,700 --> 00:15:57,000 I CAN'T REMEMBER THE BOARD OF 564 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,800 HEALTH IS OUT 2 THAT PROGRAM. 565 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,300 BUT I THINK THE WITH THAT 566 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,766 PROGRAM. 567 00:15:59,300 --> 00:16:03,066 BUT I THINK THE EXPERIENCE IN 568 00:16:01,766 --> 00:16:04,800 INDIANA ACROSS THE RIVER FROM US 569 00:16:03,066 --> 00:16:06,666 WHERE THEY HAD THAT SOARING RATE 570 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,333 OF HIV INFECTION REALLY GOT THE 571 00:16:06,666 --> 00:16:08,400 ATTENTION OF PEOPLE IN 572 00:16:07,333 --> 00:16:09,766 LOUISVILLE AND AROUND THE STATE 573 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,766 AND THEY WANTED TO TAKE 574 00:16:09,766 --> 00:16:13,666 ADVANTAGE OF THE NEW LAW THE 575 00:16:11,766 --> 00:16:15,466 LEGISLATURE PASSED JUST THIS 576 00:16:13,666 --> 00:16:17,233 YEAR, THE HEROIN BILL, WHICH 577 00:16:15,466 --> 00:16:18,766 DOES PERMIT NEEDLE EXCHANGES 578 00:16:17,233 --> 00:16:21,000 WITH THE APPROVAL OF LOCAL 579 00:16:18,766 --> 00:16:21,966 AUTHORITIES THEREON THE HEALTH 580 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,766 DEBT, AND THE BIG SELLING POINT 581 00:16:21,966 --> 00:16:25,166 ON THAT CONTINUES TO BE THAT THE 582 00:16:23,766 --> 00:16:26,566 STATISTICS AND DATA SHOW THAT 583 00:16:25,166 --> 00:16:28,366 THEY'RE HIGHLY EFFECTIVE AT 584 00:16:26,566 --> 00:16:29,866 GETTING ADDICTS INTO THE SYSTEM 585 00:16:28,366 --> 00:16:31,033 AND INTO TREATMENT, SORT OF 586 00:16:29,866 --> 00:16:33,733 BRING THEM OUT FROM THE DARK END 587 00:16:31,033 --> 00:16:34,766 OF THE INTO THE LIGHT AND AT 588 00:16:33,733 --> 00:16:36,633 LEAST THEY CAN BEGIN TO WORK 589 00:16:34,766 --> 00:16:37,733 WITH THEM AND HOPE TO CHANGE 590 00:16:36,633 --> 00:16:38,633 THEIR BEHAVIOR. 591 00:16:37,733 --> 00:16:40,933 >> YOU ROTE RECENTLY KENTUCKY IS 592 00:16:38,633 --> 00:16:42,133 ACCUSED OF BEING NOT AGGRESSIVE 593 00:16:40,933 --> 00:16:43,633 ENOUGH IN GOING AFTER SOME 594 00:16:42,133 --> 00:16:45,866 WELFARE FRAUD, AND THAT HAS TO 595 00:16:43,633 --> 00:16:46,966 DO WITH THE SNAP PROGRAM. 596 00:16:45,866 --> 00:16:47,766 >> MEANS FOOD STAMPS, 597 00:16:46,966 --> 00:16:50,466 SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION 598 00:16:47,766 --> 00:16:52,866 ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, AND THE USDA 599 00:16:50,466 --> 00:16:53,200 IS VERY PROUD OF THE SNAP 600 00:16:52,866 --> 00:16:54,666 PROGRAM. 601 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,666 THEY FEEL HIKE IT DOES A LOT OF 602 00:16:54,666 --> 00:16:57,566 GOOD IN KENTUCKY. 603 00:16:55,666 --> 00:16:59,800 IT PUTS MORE THAN $1 BILLION A 604 00:16:57,566 --> 00:17:01,633 YEAR INTO THE ECONOMY. 605 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,033 AND ELLEN EVER MORE THAN 800,000 606 00:17:01,633 --> 00:17:04,333 PEOPLE GET FOOD STAMPS IN 607 00:17:03,033 --> 00:17:05,433 KENTUCKY FROM THE SNAP PROGRAM. 608 00:17:04,333 --> 00:17:07,233 AND SO THEY CONCERNED BECAUSE 609 00:17:05,433 --> 00:17:08,866 THEY FEEL LIKE KENTUCKY HAS NOT 610 00:17:07,233 --> 00:17:11,233 BEEN ADDRESSING QUICKLY ENOUGH 611 00:17:08,866 --> 00:17:12,333 THE BACKLOG OF COMPLAINTS OF 612 00:17:11,233 --> 00:17:14,733 FRAUD. 613 00:17:12,333 --> 00:17:16,800 SOMEONE MISUSING THE SYSTEM, 614 00:17:14,733 --> 00:17:18,833 PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, NOT SELLING 615 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,233 THEIR BENEFITS, LYING ABOUT 616 00:17:18,833 --> 00:17:20,966 INCOME. 617 00:17:19,233 --> 00:17:23,233 ANY WAY, THERE ARE ABOUT 2,000 618 00:17:20,966 --> 00:17:24,866 OF THOSE CASES BACK UP AND THE 619 00:17:23,233 --> 00:17:26,733 USDA WANTS THEM PROCESSED MORE 620 00:17:24,866 --> 00:17:29,100 QUICKLY, AND AFTER SEVERAL YEARS 621 00:17:26,733 --> 00:17:29,800 OF NEGOTIATION AND DISCUSSION 622 00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:31,533 THEY BE FINALLY SAINT WARNING 623 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,033 LETTER TO KENTUCKY SAYING THEY 624 00:17:31,533 --> 00:17:34,133 COULD CUT OFF THE MONEY THEY GET 625 00:17:33,033 --> 00:17:36,633 TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM WHICH 626 00:17:34,133 --> 00:17:40,033 IS ABOUT $40 MILLION IN KENTUCKY 627 00:17:36,633 --> 00:17:40,633 DOESN'T ADDRESS THOSE PROGRAMS. 628 00:17:40,033 --> 00:17:42,266 PROGRAMS, 629 00:17:40,633 --> 00:17:45,533 ADDRESS THOSE BACKLOG OF CASES. 630 00:17:42,266 --> 00:17:46,733 SO I RAISED THAT ISSUE WITH AUDI 631 00:17:45,533 --> 00:17:47,933 REHAINES, THE SECRETARY OF 632 00:17:46,733 --> 00:17:49,133 HEALTH AND FAMILY SERVICES, AND 633 00:17:47,933 --> 00:17:49,900 SHE SAID WE'RE AWARE THAT OF, 634 00:17:49,133 --> 00:17:50,600 DEALING WITH IT, AND WE'RE GOING 635 00:17:49,900 --> 00:17:52,533 TO FIX IT. 636 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,433 >> WELL, BEGINNING NEXT WEEK 637 00:17:52,533 --> 00:17:55,533 THERE WILL BE NEW REQUIREMENT 638 00:17:53,433 --> 00:17:56,800 FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BY COUGH 639 00:17:55,533 --> 00:17:58,133 MEDICINES THAT CONTAIN AN 640 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,400 INGREDIENT THAT HAD BEEN USED TO 641 00:17:58,133 --> 00:18:02,600 MAKE ILLICIT DRUGS. 642 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:08,500 I'LL SAY IT COUSIN. 643 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:10,600 DEXTROMETHORPHANY OR AND WE'VE N 644 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:12,366 SOME POLLING WHERE PEOPLE 645 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,200 VOLUNTARILY STEP IN. 646 00:18:12,366 --> 00:18:15,133 31st LOT OF ANGST ABOUT THAT 647 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,366 NEW LAW COMING IN. 648 00:18:15,133 --> 00:18:18,500 A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL THAT THAT 649 00:18:16,366 --> 00:18:19,933 WILL BE QUITE AN INCONVENIENCE. 650 00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:21,766 BUT THE PURPOSE AGAIN IS TO 651 00:18:19,933 --> 00:18:22,166 KEEP IT AWAY FROM BEING USED 652 00:18:21,766 --> 00:18:25,100 INCORRECTLY. 653 00:18:22,166 --> 00:18:27,933 >> I THINK BASICALLY YOU TWO 654 00:18:25,100 --> 00:18:29,900 HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF 655 00:18:27,933 --> 00:18:32,300 PRESCRIPTION IF YOU ARE A MINOR. 656 00:18:29,900 --> 00:18:32,633 I THINK THE LAW IS DIRECTED 657 00:18:32,300 --> 00:18:34,500 MINORS. 658 00:18:32,633 --> 00:18:37,500 AND I HAVE FORGOTTEN THE PROCESS 659 00:18:34,500 --> 00:18:38,166 THAT THEY USED TO TAKE THEM, THE 660 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:41,333 SUBSTANCE THAT YOU CAN 661 00:18:38,166 --> 00:18:43,800 PRONOUNCE, AND I CAN'T, AND WORK 662 00:18:41,333 --> 00:18:45,966 IT INTO A HIGH WHICH THEY CALL 663 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,900 ROBO TRIPPING. 664 00:18:45,966 --> 00:18:50,233 AND BECAUSE OF ROBE US THEIN 665 00:18:47,900 --> 00:18:51,566 BEING A PRODUCT THAT CON -- ROBE 666 00:18:50,233 --> 00:18:52,766 TUESDAY INBEING A PRODUCT THAT 667 00:18:51,566 --> 00:18:53,900 CONTAINS THIS. 668 00:18:52,766 --> 00:18:56,166 BUT I DON'T THIS THAT I IT'S 669 00:18:53,900 --> 00:18:57,166 GOING TO HAVE A LARGE EFFECT ON 670 00:18:56,166 --> 00:18:58,366 ADULT USERS. 671 00:18:57,166 --> 00:19:01,633 AND YOU WILL REMEMBER WHEN THEY 672 00:18:58,366 --> 00:19:02,633 WERE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE 673 00:19:01,633 --> 00:19:07,733 METHAMPHETAMINE EPIDEMIC AND 674 00:19:02,633 --> 00:19:10,266 THEY TRIED TO ADDRESS SUED 675 00:19:07,733 --> 00:19:13,333 PSEUDOEPHEDRINE THAT THEY HAD IS 676 00:19:10,266 --> 00:19:15,333 AIM COMPLAINT SEVERAL LAWS GO 677 00:19:13,333 --> 00:19:16,533 INTO EFFECT THE NEXT FEW DAYS. 678 00:19:15,333 --> 00:19:17,733 THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE LAW WILL 679 00:19:16,533 --> 00:19:19,133 BE GOING INTO EFFECT, AND THAT'S 680 00:19:17,733 --> 00:19:20,766 A HOT POTATO IN TERMS OF WHAT 681 00:19:19,133 --> 00:19:21,066 COURT SYSTEM IS GOING TO HANDLE 682 00:19:20,766 --> 00:19:22,533 THAT. 683 00:19:21,066 --> 00:19:22,833 >> THAT'S THE DATING VIOLENCE 684 00:19:22,533 --> 00:19:24,533 BILL. 685 00:19:22,833 --> 00:19:26,133 >> AND BY THE WAY, THAT ONE, AND 686 00:19:24,533 --> 00:19:27,633 I MADE THE MISTAKE ON THAT AS 687 00:19:26,133 --> 00:19:29,466 WELL, THAT ACTUALLY DOES NOT GO 688 00:19:27,633 --> 00:19:30,766 INTO EFFECT UNTIL JANUARY 1. 689 00:19:29,466 --> 00:19:32,166 >>Y OH, REALLY. 690 00:19:30,766 --> 00:19:34,533 >> THAT'S RIGHT. 691 00:19:32,166 --> 00:19:36,433 >> BUT BECAUSE -- BUT THEY'RE 692 00:19:34,533 --> 00:19:37,733 NEEDING TIME DO,-TO-WORK OUT 693 00:19:36,433 --> 00:19:39,600 WHETHER THE FAMILY COURT SYSTEM 694 00:19:37,733 --> 00:19:40,366 FOR DISTRICT COURTS WILLING 695 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,533 HANDLE THAT, RIGHT? 696 00:19:40,366 --> 00:19:42,900 >> YES. 697 00:19:41,533 --> 00:19:44,433 IT'S UNDER A DIFFERENT CODE OR 698 00:19:42,900 --> 00:19:46,533 OF A DIFFERENT CHAPTER OF CODE. 699 00:19:44,433 --> 00:19:47,300 IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THING 700 00:19:46,533 --> 00:19:50,066 BECAUSE CONSERVATIVES DIDN'T 701 00:19:47,300 --> 00:19:52,033 WANT TO EQUATE IT WITH MARRIAGE 702 00:19:50,066 --> 00:19:52,933 BECAUSE OF THE SOCIAL ISSUES 703 00:19:52,033 --> 00:19:54,433 CONCERNS. 704 00:19:52,933 --> 00:19:55,700 THERE'S A LOT TO BE DETERMINED 705 00:19:54,433 --> 00:19:57,700 ABOUT HOW TO PROCESS IT. 706 00:19:55,700 --> 00:19:59,100 >> MANY KENTUCKIANS TOOK SOME 707 00:19:57,700 --> 00:20:00,933 TIME OUT TO ATTEND A MEMORIAL 708 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:02,700 SERVICE OR HAVE A DISCUSSION TO 709 00:20:00,933 --> 00:20:04,900 REMEMBER THOSE WHO WERE KILLED 710 00:20:02,700 --> 00:20:07,100 IN THIS ATTACK AT A HISTORIC 711 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:08,300 BLACK CHURCH IN CHARLESTON, 712 00:20:07,100 --> 00:20:10,500 SOUTH CAROLINA, DURING THIS 713 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:11,600 WEEK, RONNIE. 714 00:20:10,500 --> 00:20:12,500 CERTAINLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT 715 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,233 GOT EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION. 716 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:16,633 >> WITHOUT QUESTION. 717 00:20:13,233 --> 00:20:19,333 THAT WAS SO HORRIFIC, THAT IS 718 00:20:16,633 --> 00:20:20,566 A -- I THINK THE OLDEST BLACK 719 00:20:19,333 --> 00:20:22,600 CHURCH. 720 00:20:20,566 --> 00:20:23,133 >> AME CHURCH IN THE UNITED 721 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:27,000 STATES. 722 00:20:23,133 --> 00:20:30,000 >> IN THE UNITED STATES. 723 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,400 AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY DRAWN 724 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,633 NATIONAL ATTENTION, AND IT 725 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,500 FOLLOWS A LONG STRING OF OTHER 726 00:20:33,633 --> 00:20:37,700 CONTROVERSIAL KILLINGS, AND THE 727 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:39,800 YOUNG MAN THAT THEY HAVE 728 00:20:37,700 --> 00:20:41,600 ARRESTED APPARENTLY WAS 729 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,500 INDICATING THAT HE WISHED TO 730 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,500 BEGIN A RACE WAR OR A CIVIL WAR. 731 00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:47,200 >> AND, SAM, THE PRESIDENT USED 732 00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:49,100 THAT AGAIN TO BRING UP THE ISSUE 733 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,600 OF EASY ACCESS TO GUNS. 734 00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:53,100 DOES THAT ONCE AGAIN BECOME A 735 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,400 POLITICAL ISSUE GOING INTO THIS 736 00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:54,700 ELECTION CYCLE THIS YEAR AND 737 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,300 NEXT? 738 00:20:54,700 --> 00:20:57,200 >> I DON'T THINK IT EVER STOPS 739 00:20:56,300 --> 00:20:58,900 BEING A POLITICAL ISSUE. 740 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,066 I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER STARTED 741 00:20:58,900 --> 00:21:01,866 BEING A REAL DEBATE. 742 00:21:00,066 --> 00:21:03,466 THIS WAS THE 14TH TIME THIS 743 00:21:01,866 --> 00:21:05,266 PRESIDENT HAS GONE TO THE WHITE 744 00:21:03,466 --> 00:21:06,233 HOUSE BRIEFING ROOM OR THE 745 00:21:05,266 --> 00:21:07,966 EASTERN WING OF THE WHITE HOUSE 746 00:21:06,233 --> 00:21:08,766 AND HAD TO MAKE A STATEMENT ON A 747 00:21:07,966 --> 00:21:09,966 SHOOTING LIKE THIS. 748 00:21:08,766 --> 00:21:12,633 YOU KNOW, IT'S GOTTEN TO THE 749 00:21:09,966 --> 00:21:13,566 POINT WHERE I FEEL LIKE THESE 750 00:21:12,633 --> 00:21:15,966 SORTS OF TRAGEDIES HAVE AN 751 00:21:13,566 --> 00:21:18,133 IMMEDIATE ECHO, AND THAT IT'S 752 00:21:15,966 --> 00:21:19,633 COMPOUND BY THE TRAGEDY OF US 753 00:21:18,133 --> 00:21:21,766 TEARING EACH OTHER APART OVER 754 00:21:19,633 --> 00:21:22,066 THE POLITICAL FALLOUT OF ALL OF 755 00:21:21,766 --> 00:21:25,566 THIS. 756 00:21:22,066 --> 00:21:27,666 I THINK FOR REPUBLICANS THE 757 00:21:25,566 --> 00:21:29,766 2nd APPENDMENT ISSUES ARE 758 00:21:27,666 --> 00:21:31,100 ALWAYS SOMETHING THEY WANT TO 759 00:21:29,766 --> 00:21:32,366 TALK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY IN A 760 00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:33,566 STATE OF KENTUCKY IT'S DIFFICULT 761 00:21:32,366 --> 00:21:34,766 FOR DEMOCRATS TO TALK ABOUT. 762 00:21:33,566 --> 00:21:35,266 YES, IT CONTINUES TO BE A WEDGE 763 00:21:34,766 --> 00:21:37,333 ISSUE. 764 00:21:35,266 --> 00:21:38,300 DOES IT EVER START BEING AN 765 00:21:37,333 --> 00:21:39,766 ACTUAL DEBATE? 766 00:21:38,300 --> 00:21:43,066 IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY. 767 00:21:39,766 --> 00:21:44,933 >> DEBORAH BE, THE USE OF DEADLY 768 00:21:43,066 --> 00:21:47,733 FORCE AGAINST THE POLICE 769 00:21:44,933 --> 00:21:48,966 REMEMBER RECIPRO CATED BY 770 00:21:47,733 --> 00:21:50,366 POLICE. 771 00:21:48,966 --> 00:21:51,866 DAVE WELCHLER SAID WE ARE NOT 772 00:21:50,366 --> 00:21:53,666 YOUR PUNCHING BAG AND THIS CAME 773 00:21:51,866 --> 00:21:54,766 AFTER AN INCIDENT LATE LAST WEEK 774 00:21:53,666 --> 00:21:56,466 GOING INTO THE WEEKEND THAT WAS 775 00:21:54,766 --> 00:21:56,833 SEEN ON VIDEO THAT GOT A LOT OF 776 00:21:56,466 --> 00:21:59,066 ATTENTION. 777 00:21:56,833 --> 00:22:00,633 >> THAT WAS A CASE WHERE A 778 00:21:59,066 --> 00:22:02,033 SUDANESE MAN WHO HAD COME HERE 779 00:22:00,633 --> 00:22:04,533 AS A REFUGEE WAS APPARENTLY 780 00:22:02,033 --> 00:22:05,533 IMPAIRED THEY THINK BY ALCOHOL 781 00:22:04,533 --> 00:22:07,366 AND PROBABLY SEVERE MENTAL 782 00:22:05,533 --> 00:22:09,433 ILLNESS AND WAS ACCOSTING PEOPLE 783 00:22:07,366 --> 00:22:10,633 ON THE STREET, AND ACCORDING TO 784 00:22:09,433 --> 00:22:12,533 VIDEO AND WITNESS ACCOUNTS, WENT 785 00:22:10,633 --> 00:22:14,033 AFTER THE OFFICER WITH A METAL 786 00:22:12,533 --> 00:22:15,133 POLE AND HE TRIED TO INTERIOR 787 00:22:14,033 --> 00:22:15,533 VEEN, AND THE OFFICER SHOT AND 788 00:22:15,133 --> 00:22:17,933 KILLED HIM. 789 00:22:15,533 --> 00:22:21,433 IT CAUSED A LOT OF DEBATE AND 790 00:22:17,933 --> 00:22:23,733 DISCUSSION, BUT I THINK PEOPLE 791 00:22:21,433 --> 00:22:25,833 AWARE THAT THERE APPEARED TO BE 792 00:22:23,733 --> 00:22:26,966 SOME SELF-DEFENSE ISSUES THERE 793 00:22:25,833 --> 00:22:28,533 FOR THE OFFICER, ALTHOUGH 794 00:22:26,966 --> 00:22:31,133 THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION 795 00:22:28,533 --> 00:22:32,733 BACK AND FORTH IN SOME OF THE 796 00:22:31,133 --> 00:22:33,533 NATIONAL EVENTS ABOUT 797 00:22:32,733 --> 00:22:36,733 AFRICAN-AMERICAN MEN BEING 798 00:22:33,533 --> 00:22:39,000 KILLED BY PLACE ARE BLACK MALES. 799 00:22:36,733 --> 00:22:40,833 SO OFFICER MUCHLER I BELIEVE 800 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,533 HE'S A SERGEANT WITH THE POLICE 801 00:22:40,833 --> 00:22:43,733 DEPARTMENT, HEAD OF THE FOP CAME 802 00:22:42,533 --> 00:22:44,933 OUT WITH AN OPEN LETTER TO THE 803 00:22:43,733 --> 00:22:46,933 PUBLIC BASICALLY SAYING POLICE 804 00:22:44,933 --> 00:22:48,633 WERE TIRED OF ILL-INFORMED 805 00:22:46,933 --> 00:22:50,233 OPINIONS AND BEING CRITICIZED 806 00:22:48,633 --> 00:22:51,000 FOR TRYING TO DO THEIR JOBS AND 807 00:22:50,233 --> 00:22:51,900 MADE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT 808 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,700 YOU MENTIONED. 809 00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:55,433 AND THEN HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE 810 00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:58,133 IN LOUISVILLE TODAY WHERE HE 811 00:22:55,433 --> 00:22:59,900 TRIED TO FURTHER SORT OF EXPLAIN 812 00:22:58,133 --> 00:23:02,366 SORT OF THE FRUSTRATION THE 813 00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:04,566 OFFICERS FEEL AND DID APPARENTLY 814 00:23:02,366 --> 00:23:05,800 STAY & UNTIL ALL REPORTERS' 815 00:23:04,566 --> 00:23:08,966 QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED. 816 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,866 I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH HEADWAY HE 817 00:23:08,966 --> 00:23:10,766 MADE IN SORT OF PUTTING THAT 818 00:23:09,866 --> 00:23:12,966 ISSUE TO REST. 819 00:23:10,766 --> 00:23:15,333 >> REGION, GOVERNOR BESHEAR HAS 820 00:23:12,966 --> 00:23:16,566 APPOINTED MOST OF A 23-MEMBER 821 00:23:15,333 --> 00:23:17,466 COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THE 822 00:23:16,566 --> 00:23:19,566 KENTUCKY TEACHERS RETIREMENT 823 00:23:17,466 --> 00:23:21,600 SYSTEM WHICH EXPERTS SAY COULD 824 00:23:19,566 --> 00:23:24,766 RUN OUT OF MONEY WITHIN ABOUT 20 825 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,066 YEARS OR SO IF THERE'S NOT SOME 826 00:23:24,766 --> 00:23:26,966 MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR FIX. 827 00:23:26,066 --> 00:23:28,166 HOUSE REPUBLICAN LEADER JEFF 828 00:23:26,966 --> 00:23:29,200 HOOVER IS CRITICAL OF THE 829 00:23:28,166 --> 00:23:30,066 MAKE-UP OF THAT GROUP, RIGHT? 830 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,333 >> YES. 831 00:23:30,066 --> 00:23:33,366 IT WAS ACTUALLY REPRESENTATIVE 832 00:23:31,333 --> 00:23:36,133 HOOVER WHO INITIALLY CALLED ON 833 00:23:33,366 --> 00:23:36,800 GOVERNOR BESHEAR TO SAME NAME 834 00:23:36,133 --> 00:23:37,666 SUCH AS A TASK FORCE. 835 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,266 THERE HAD BEEN NO RESPONSE FROM 836 00:23:37,666 --> 00:23:41,266 THE GOVERNOR, AND AT THE LAST 837 00:23:40,266 --> 00:23:43,233 MEETINGS OF THE LEGISLATIVE 838 00:23:41,266 --> 00:23:46,266 RESEARCH COMMITTEE, THE 16 839 00:23:43,233 --> 00:23:46,966 LAWMAKERS THAT RUN THE 840 00:23:46,266 --> 00:23:49,066 LEGISLATURE, THEY TALKED ABOUT 841 00:23:46,966 --> 00:23:51,266 CREATING ONE OF THEIR OWN. 842 00:23:49,066 --> 00:23:53,733 BESHEAR RESPONDS WERE A 843 00:23:51,266 --> 00:23:55,466 23-MEMBER TASK FORCE MADE UP 844 00:23:53,733 --> 00:23:56,500 LARGELY OF EDUCATORS AND 845 00:23:55,466 --> 00:23:59,633 GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS IN 846 00:23:56,500 --> 00:24:00,700 EDUCATION IN AND 847 00:23:59,633 --> 00:24:03,233 EDUCATION ADVOCATES, AND 848 00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:03,900 REPRESENTATIVE HOOVER SAYS 849 00:24:03,233 --> 00:24:04,500 BASICALLY THERE ARE SPECIAL 850 00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:07,000 INTERESTS. 851 00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:08,000 WE NEED AN OUTSIDE INDEPENDENT 852 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,400 ANALYSIS. 853 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,200 AND HE THINKS THIS IS GOING TO 854 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,900 SIMPLY COME BACK WITH A 855 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,700 RECOMMENDATION THAT THE 856 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:15,266 DEMOCRATS HAVE FAVORED ALL ALONG 857 00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:17,100 OF BONDING. 858 00:24:15,266 --> 00:24:19,133 >> ARE TEACHERS AND RETIRED 859 00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:19,566 TEACHERS A POWERFUL VOTING 860 00:24:19,133 --> 00:24:20,333 BLOCK, SIGNAL. 861 00:24:19,566 --> 00:24:22,800 >> YES, THEY CAN BE. 862 00:24:20,333 --> 00:24:24,100 OF COURSE, I GROUP IN A HOUSE 863 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,600 WITH A PUBLIC SCHOOLTEACHER OF A 864 00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:29,100 MOM SO THEY WERE EXTRAORDINARILY 865 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,000 POWERFUL VOTING BLOCK IN OUR 866 00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:31,833 HOUSE. 867 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,600 >> THAT WAS NOT FAIR. 868 00:24:31,833 --> 00:24:36,300 RAND PAUL STARTED OUT THE WEEK 869 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,800 IN SOUTH CAROLINA, HOME TO 870 00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:38,900 FELLOW SENATOR AND REPUBLICAN 871 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,900 PROPOSAL PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDER 872 00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:42,533 LINDSEY GRAHAM WHO SAID THAT ANY 873 00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:43,600 REPUBLICAN BUT PAUL WOULD BE 874 00:24:42,533 --> 00:24:44,400 BETTER THAN DEMOCRAT HILLARY 875 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,166 CLINTON AS PRESIDENT. 876 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,166 THEY APPARENTLY DISAGREE ON 877 00:24:46,166 --> 00:24:48,133 MILITARY AND FOREIGN POLICY 878 00:24:47,166 --> 00:24:49,200 ISSUES PRIMARILY, RIGHT? 879 00:24:48,133 --> 00:24:51,400 >> THERE'S NO QUESTION. 880 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,600 WE HEARD SIMILAR COMMENTS FROM 881 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,233 GOVERNOR CHRISTY, 882 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:54,600 CHRISTMAHANAKWANZAKAH TY 883 00:24:54,233 --> 00:24:58,066 YESTERDAY. 884 00:24:54,600 --> 00:25:01,933 I THINK THE -- CHRIS CHRISTIE. 885 00:24:58,066 --> 00:25:03,033 LOOK AT THE REPUBLICAN A A. AS A 886 00:25:01,933 --> 00:25:04,033 CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD WITH RAND 887 00:25:03,033 --> 00:25:05,933 PAUL IN THE MIL. 888 00:25:04,033 --> 00:25:07,933 THERE'S A CHECKLIST TO GET INTO 889 00:25:05,933 --> 00:25:09,433 THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY. 890 00:25:07,933 --> 00:25:12,833 YOU VISIT NEW HAMPSHIRE AND IOWA 891 00:25:09,433 --> 00:25:13,233 AND BEAT UP RAND PAUL ON FOREIGN 892 00:25:12,833 --> 00:25:15,633 POLICY. 893 00:25:13,233 --> 00:25:17,833 >> KENTUCKY LOST A TRAILBLAZING 894 00:25:15,633 --> 00:25:19,200 JOURNALIST, EDITOR AND A TRUE 895 00:25:17,833 --> 00:25:20,266 GENTLEMAN MERE IN THE BLUEGRASS 896 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,933 WITH THE DEATH OF JOHN CARROLL. 897 00:25:20,266 --> 00:25:23,733 UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP, NEWS 898 00:25:21,933 --> 00:25:24,433 ORGANIZATIONS AT THE LEXINGTON 899 00:25:23,733 --> 00:25:25,633 HERALD-LEADER, THE BALTIMORE, 900 00:25:24,433 --> 00:25:28,733 AND YOU THE LOS ANGELES TIME WON 901 00:25:25,633 --> 00:25:29,500 AWARDS INCLUDING A MULTIPLE 902 00:25:28,733 --> 00:25:32,933 PULITZER PRIZES PRIDES PEPS WHAT 903 00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:34,433 IS IT ABOUT A NEWSROOM MANAGER'S 904 00:25:32,933 --> 00:25:36,200 LEADERSHIP THAT MAKES SUCH A 905 00:25:34,433 --> 00:25:36,533 DIFFERENCE IN HOW THINGS GO? 906 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,900 RONNIE? 907 00:25:36,533 --> 00:25:40,533 >> WELL, I MEAN, WHEN YOU HAVE 908 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:42,533 AN EDITOR -- I NEVER WORKED FOR 909 00:25:40,533 --> 00:25:45,300 MR. CARROLL BUT HIS REPUTATION 910 00:25:42,533 --> 00:25:46,800 WAS THAT HE HIRED GOOD PEOPLE, 911 00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:48,900 TALENTED PEOPLE, AND HE 912 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:52,033 ENCOURAGED THEM TO GO DIG FOR 913 00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:53,100 THE STORIES, AND HE GAVE THEM -- 914 00:25:52,033 --> 00:25:54,633 PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE SOME OF 915 00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:56,400 THOSE STORIES THAT GET THE 916 00:25:54,633 --> 00:25:57,700 MOTION ATTENTION, THAT EXPOSE 917 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,966 SOMETHING, THEY REQUIRE LOTS OF 918 00:25:57,700 --> 00:26:04,700 TIME, LOTS OF FOOTWORK, AND SOME 919 00:26:01,966 --> 00:26:05,866 EDITORS WON'T ALLOW YOU THAT 920 00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:06,833 TIME AND FREEDOM TO DO THAT, AND 921 00:26:05,866 --> 00:26:10,466 HE DID. 922 00:26:06,833 --> 00:26:10,866 >> AND DO YOU -- HIS SHADOW WAS 923 00:26:10,466 --> 00:26:11,466 STILL THERE. 924 00:26:10,866 --> 00:26:13,066 >> ABSOLUTELY. 925 00:26:11,466 --> 00:26:14,266 AWARDS ON WALLS, A LEGACY THAT 926 00:26:13,066 --> 00:26:16,666 WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN. 927 00:26:14,266 --> 00:26:18,266 >> OF COURSE, DEBBIE, YOU KNEW 928 00:26:16,666 --> 00:26:21,266 HIM AS A WORTHY COMPETITOR. 929 00:26:18,266 --> 00:26:21,600 >> WE DID BEFORE WHEATON ON 930 00:26:21,266 --> 00:26:22,966 UPWARD. 931 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,066 >> WE THANK YOU FOR JOINING US 932 00:26:22,966 --> 00:26:27,633 FOR "COMMENT ON KENTUCKY." 933 00:26:25,066 --> 00:26:28,866 ENCOURAGE TO YOU TUNE IN FOR 934 00:26:27,633 --> 00:26:30,166 "COMMENT ON KENTUCKY," HOST 935 00:26:28,866 --> 00:26:30,666 RENEE SHAW WILL BE DISCUSSING