>> Bill: THE CANDIDATES FOR

GOVERNOR MEET FACE TO FACE ON

LIVE TV AND RETURN TO THE

CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

RAND PAUL DEPOSITS THE MONEY FOR

A KENTUCKY PRESIDENTIAL CAUCUS

AS JEB BUSH PLANS A TRIP TO

LOUISVILLE TO RAISE MONEY.

THE SHOOTING DEATH OF A STATE

TROOPER COULD SPAWN CHANGES BY

THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

LEXINGTON'S RED MILE GAMBLES ON

SLOT-LIKE MACHINES AS KEENELAND

PREPARES FOR THE SPOTLIGHT OF

THE BREEDERS' CUP.

ON THIS LAST WEEKEND OF SUMMER,

"COMMENT" ON NEXT IS KET.

The candidates for governor

GOOD EVENING.

I'M BILL BRYANT.

WELCOME TO "COMMENT ON

KENTUCKY," A LOOK BACK AT THE

WEEK'S NEWS IN THE COMMONWEALTH.

OUR GUESTS ARE NICK STORM,

ANCHOR AND MANAGING EDITOR OF

PURE POLITICS ON CN¦2,

JANET PATTON, REPORTER FOR THE

LEXINGTON HERALD-LEADER,

AND TOM LOFTUS, FRANKFORT BUREAU

CHIEF FOR THE COURIER-JOURNAL.

IT'S BEEN AN EVENTFUL AND BUSY

WEEK AND AB EVENTFUL SEASON HERE

IN KENTUCKY AS WE'RE IN THE

ELECTION TIME AND HEADING INTO

FALL WITH ALL THOSE EVENTS.

THE THREE CANDIDATES FOR

GOVERNOR WERE ON STAGE IN

LOUISVILLE.

THERE WAS A LOT OF HOSPITALITY

CERTAINLY BY THE FOLKS AT BELL

BELLARMINE UNIVERSITY.

I ENJOYED BEING ON THE PANEL

THERE.

BUT THINGS WERE NOT SO NICE BEN

DEMOCRAT JACK CONWAY AND

REPUBLICAN MATT BENNETT STAGE UP

THERE.

WHAT ARE THE TAKE A WAYS -- MATT

BEVIN.

FIRST LIVE TELEVISED DEBATE OF

GUBERNATORIAL CAMPAIGN?

>> I THINK IT GIVES US A JUMPING

OFF POINT TO SEE WHERE THESE

GUYS ARE AT EARLY ON AND FOLLOW

THEM OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL

DEBATES.

THERE'S AT LEAST FOUR TELEVISED

DEBATES, AND AS YOU SAID, BILL,

THERE WAS PLENTY OF SHARP ELBOWS

THIS WEEK, AND I THINK THAT WE

ALL KIND OF EXPECTED THAT.

BUT THE SURPRISE I THINK IS THAT

SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE BEEN DREW

CURTIS' PERFORMANCE.

>> MY TAKEAWAY -- DIDN'T SEE ANY

MAJOR GAFFE, A GAME-CHANGING

GAFFE IN THIS THING.

THERE WERE A LOT OF JABS, IN

FACT, A FEW BOLL OH PUNCHES

THROWN IN THIS THING.

I THINK BOTH CANDIDATES DID WHAT

THEY WANTED TO DO IN THAT REGARD

BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY

GAME-CHANGING EVENTS.

I AGREE WITH YOUR POINT ON DREW

CURTIS.

AT THE SAME TIME, THERE ARE,

THOUGH, EXPECTATIONS FOR A THIRD

PARTY CANDIDATE.

I THINK DREW CURTIS, HE WAS

FUNNY, HE WAS ARTICULATE.

BUT NOBODY IN THE MEDIA IS GOING

AROUND -- NOR ARE HIS OPPONENTS

GOING AROUND EXAMINING A TRACK

RECORD THERE.

>> NARRATOR: IT WAS EASY

THERE --

>> Nick: I THINK IT'S MANAGING

THE EXPECTATIONS.

THOSE OF US THAT FOLLOW CONWAY,

WE ALL REMEMBER WHEN HE GETS HIT

TIME AND TIME AGAIN BY PEOPLE

WITHIN THE PARTY, HE STRUGGLED

AT TIMES, HE WASE PERSPIRING TO

START OUT WITH, SEEMED OUT OF

STAGE, AND I THINK THOSE ARE

THINGS HE OFTEN GETS HIT ON.

ON THE FLIP SIDE MATT BEVIN CAME

ACROSS AS THE SALESMAN THAT HE'S

KNOWN AS IN HIS LOUISVILLE

BUSINESS, AND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU

SAID, DREW CURTIS DOESN'T HAVE

ANY EXPECTATIONS SO.

>> Bill Goodman: DREW TURTIS

SEEMED TO RELL --

>> Bill Goodman: DREW CUTTER

US SEEMED TO RELISH THE SPOT.

DID HE GAIN GETTING THAT TYPE OF

ATTENTION?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

HE CAN'T BUY THAT KIND OF

EXPOSURE NOR CAN HE AFFORD IT?

>> AND WHO KNOWS, HE COULD TAKE

OFF AFTER SOMETHING LIKE THIS IF

HE HAD THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS

OF DOLLARS BEHIND THE TWO OTHER

CANDIDATES.

MOSTLY FROM THEIR RESPECT TIFF

GOVERNOR'S NATIONAL GOVERNORS

ASSOCIATIONS.

BUT I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE AGAIN,

I DON'T THINK IT'S -- THERE

WASN'T ANYBODY ON THAT STAGE

ATTACKING DREW CURTIS.

I THINK -- I THINK EVERYBODY

LOVES -- I MEAN, HE'S THE PERSON

YOU WOULD WANT TO GO OUT AND

HAVE A BEER WITH AMONG THOSE

THREE.

>> IT'S A ONE HOUR DEBATE SO THE

TIME CONSTRAINTS ARE TIGHT FOR

EVERYBODY INCLUDING THE

PANELISTS ASKING THE QUESTIONS.

YOU WERE ASKED TO KEEP IT TO 20

SECONDS AND THEN THE PANELS,

THOSE RESPONDING HAD TO GIVE

VERY QUICK ANSWERS, AND THEY DID

THAT.

AND SOMETIMES, JANET, THAT

RESULTS IN THINGS BEING STATED

IN A WAY THAT MAYBE IF YOU HAD A

SECOND GO AT IT YOU MIGHT NOT

PUT IT THAT WAY.

>> I THINK IF CONWAY HAD A

SECOND GO AT THE COMMENT ABOUT

THE SEXUAL HARASSMENT CASE IN

THE LEGISLATURE, I THINK HE

WOULD TAKE ANOTHER WHACK AT THAT

BECAUSE HE I THINK WAS TRYING TO

SAY THAT HE'S STRONG WITH WOMEN,

HE HAS A LOT OF STRONG WOMEN

LIKE HIS WIFE LIKE HIS RUNNING

MATE SEVERAL AND HIS SANNIE

ORVILLE, BUT WHEN HE THREW IN

HIS DOG IT CAME ACROSS FLIP.

>> I THINK WE'LL SEE THAT EARLY

NEXT WEEK AND IT SETS THE

PERFECT STAGE JENEAN HAMPTON HAS

ALREADY RELEASED A STATEMENT ON

IT.

OF COURSE, SANNIE OVERLY, JACK

CONWAY'S RUNNING MATE IS IN THE

LEGISLATURE, DEALT WITH ISSUES.

SHE TRIED TO AT ONE POINT, CLAY

TRIED TO DEPOSE HOR.

HE DIDN'T MAKE IT BEFORE THE

JUDGE.

BUT THAT WAS TOSSED OUT THERE AS

BAIT TO HURRY UP AND SETTLE THAT

LAWSUIT BEFORE IT BECOMES

POLITICAL, SO I WOULD EXPECT TO

IT COME UP AGAIN.

>> I INTERVIEWED UK POLITICAL

SCIENCE PROFESSOR STEPHEN VAUS

TODAY WHO SAID ONLY THE TRULY

APPLICABLE ENGAGED ARE PAYING

ATTENTIONY EVEN AT THIS POINT.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE PEOPLE PAYING

ATTENTION IT WILL BE CLOSER TO

THE ELECTION.

DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE STAKES

GET HIGHER AS THESEYY DEBATES

GET CLOSER TO THE ELECTION?

>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY

DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

PEOPLE ARE WONDEING WHETHER

THE WILDCATS CAN BEAT FLORIDA

TOMORROW.

BUT AS IT GETS CLOSER, I MEAN,

THEY'RE PAYING ATTENTION, BUT AS

IT GETS CLOSER THE STAKE ALWAYS

GET HIGHER, AND THE ADS STEP UP

AND WE'RE ALREADY SEEING A LOT

OF THOSE, AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE

A LOT MORE.

>> AND I'LL SAY THIS, TOO, OF

THE DEBATE.

YOU COULD ALMOST SHE THAT MATT

BENCH HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON ISSUES

THROUGHOUT THE RACE.

HE'S MOVING OVER TO THEMES, AND

I THINK THIS IS AN AREA FOR MATT

THAT HE PROBABLY NEEDS TO GET ON

IF HE WANT TO HAVE A BETTER

CHANCE OF GETTING IN THE

GOVERNOR'S MANSION.

BY THEMES I MEAN THE KIM DAVIS

SITUATION, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN

ROWAN COUNTY RIGHT NOW AND

TRYING TO MILK THAT POLITICALLY

FOR ALL IT IS WORTH WITH HIS

BASE OF SUPPORTERS.

HE GETS TO TURN OUT THE GROUP OF

PEOPLE THAT ARE IN SUPPORT OF

WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO.

OBVIOUSLY JACK CONWAY'S STRUCK A

POSITION THAT HE HAD FOR A

COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.

CONWAY'S GOT TO MAKE SURE AND

BRING THAT BASE OUT TO COUNTER

WHATEVER BEVIN BRINGS OUT.

>> AND WHEN BEVIN GOT A CHANCE,

HE RETURNED TO THAT WHEN HE

COULD.

WHETHER HE WAS ASKED ABOUT IT OR

UNPROMPTED HE BROUGHT IT UP A

COUPLE OF TIMES.

JANET, YOU FOLLOWED UP ON THE

SAGA WERE BROWN COUNTY CLERK KIM

DAVIS HER REFUSAL TO ISSUE

MARRIAGE LICENSES.

THERE'S BEEN MORE LEGAL ACTION

THIS WRECK.

>> RIGHT.

YOU DIDN'T GO OUT TO BROWN

COUNTY BUT JOHN CHEVES AND BILL

ESTEP AND OUR PHOTOGRAPHER

PABLO, THROW HIS NAME IN BECAUSE

IF YOU SEE THE PICTURES YOU SEE

WHAT A CRUSH IT IS.

IT'S A CRAZY SCENE OUT THERE.

SHE WENT BACK TO WORK ON MONDAY

AFTER SHE MADE A STATEMENT TO

REPORTERS SAYING SHE WOULDN'T

INTERFERE WITH HER DEPUTIES

ISSUING LICENSES BUT THAT THEY

WOULD SAY THEY WERE ISSUED UNDER

THE FEDERAL COURT ORDER, WHICH

IS WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

SHE HAD SOME OTHER LEGAL ISSUES

BEFORE THE COURT WHICH HAVE BEEN

BATTED DOWN.

LATE TODAY HER DEPUTY BRIAN

MASON, THE ONE WHO HAS ISSUED

THE SAME-SEX LICENSES OR THE

MARRIAGE LICENSES TO SAME-SEX

COUPLES -- THEY'RE THE SAME

LANCE TO EVERYBODY NOW -- SAID

IN A FILING TO BUNNING THAT HE

HAS CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER OR

NOT SAYING THAT HAS GONE A STEP

TOO FAR AND THE ACLU IS LOOKING

FOR THAT AS WELL.

>> SAYING WHAT?

>> THAT THEY WERE FILED

SAYING -- UNDER THE COURT ORDER

AND THAT HE HAS CONCERNS THAT

THAT MAY -- HIS LAWYER SAID THAT

THEY MAY RISE TO THE LEVEL OF

INTERFERENCE, WHICH IS WHAT

JUDGE BUNNING WARNED HER

AGAINST, INTERFERING IN SOME

MANNER, AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD A

RESPONSE FROM JUDGE BUNNING YET

ON THAT.

>> I WANT TO MAKE A POINT ON

THIS QUICK, TOO, JUST THE

EARLIER LICENSES THAT WENT OUT

UNDER HER DEPUTIES WERE TAKEN IN

AND PROCESSED BY IRS AND

DIFFERENT TAX HOLDINGS, AND IT

WOULD SEEM LIKE THOSE TAX

AGENCIES REALLY GET THE FINAL

SAY IN THIS.

IF THEY ACCEPT THAT DOCUMENT

THEN WHAT FURTHER PROOF DO YOU

NEED?

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

IF THEY'RE BEING ACCEPTED BACK

IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND FILED

WITH YOU KNOW YOUR TAXES, THEN

AS THE STATE I THINK HAS SAID,

THE WORDING IS FAIRLY RELEVANT

IF YOU THINK YOU'RE MARRIED AND

YOU HAVE MADE A GOOD FAITH

EFFORT, YOU ARE.

>> WELL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO

FOLLOW THAT CERTAINLY.

BACK ON THE GOVERNOR'S RACE,

MATT BEVIN HAS HIRED A

COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR WHO HAS

SOME EXPERIENCE IN KENTUCKY

POLITICS, JESSICA DITTO.

IS THIS AN EFFORT FOR HIM TO BE

MORE OPEN WITH SOME REPORTERS

WITH WHOM HE HAS SCRAPPED SOME

IN THE RECENT MONTHS?

>> I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY IT

IS.

I THINK THAT JOE GERTH WROTE A

COLUMN BOR THE COURIER-JOURNAL

KIND OF MENTIONING ALL THE

REPORTERS, MYSELF INCLUDED, WHO

WERE NO LONGER ON GOOD TERMS

WITH MR. BEVIN AND WERE NO

LONGER ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS,

AND I THINK THIS WAS A CHANCE

FOR THEM TO RESET THE CAMPAIGN

AHEAD OF THE DEBATE, AND AS THEY

GET INTO THE FINAL STRETCH, AND

REOPEN THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.

I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE

PAST DUE.

YOU KNOW, THANK YOU THAT PEOPLE

IN THESE POSITIONS OFTEN STRIKE

RELATIONSHIPS WITH REPORTERS AND

BEND OUR EAR FROM TIME TO TIME

AND TO HIRE ONE WITH I THINK IT

WAS 49 DAYS GO ON IN THE RACE,

IT'S A LITTLE LATE, BUT I THINK

THEY RECOGNIZE THEY'VE GOT A

PROBLEM THERE AND ARE MOVING TO

CORRECT IT.

>> IT'S VERY LATE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

IN THE U.S. SENATE RACE WE NOW

KNOW THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A

REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CAUCUS

IN THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE, A

CAUCUS ON MARCH 5th, AND WE

KNOW THAT BECAUSE LATE THIS

AFTERNOON SENATOR RAND PAUL'S

CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT DEPOSITED

THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THE COSTS.

TODAY WAS THE DEADLINE.

HE MADE THE DEADLINE.

>> HE MADE THE DEADLINE $250,000

NEEDED TO BE PUT INTO THE RPK'S

ACCOUNT FOR THE CAUCUS TO MOVE

FORWARD.

THAT MONEY MADE IT THERE.

THE CAMPAIGN ALWAYS HAD THE

MONEY YOU KNOW ACCORDING TO

PEOPLE INSIDE THE CAMPAIGN, AND

I THINK WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO

DO WAS GO OUT AND RAISE NEW

MONEYS TO BE ABLE TO FUND THIS.

I THINK THEY DID PART OF THAT,

AND WHENWHAT THEY DIDN'T MEET

FOR THE 250 WENT IN AS WELL FROM

THEIR OWN CAMPAIGN ACCOUNT.

SO THIS SETS IT UP.

THE GAME IS ON, IF YOU WILL.

IT'S MARCH 5th.

AND IT WILL BE A CAUCUS.

SO I DO WANT TO POINT OUT

QUICKLY FOR VIEWERS THAT THIS IS

GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT

ANYBODY'S SEEN BEFORE, AND

THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOING INTO

THEIR COUNTY CAUCUSES TO FILL

OUT THESE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE

A SECRET PAPER BALLOT.

SO THIS ISN'T KIND OF THE IOWA

STYLE WHERE YOU MOVE AROUND THE

ROOM AND THAT KIND OF A THING.

THIS IS GROWING INTO A COUNTY

CAUCUS.

>> AND DESPITE HIM PAYING FOR

THIS MUCH OF THE EXPENSE OF IT,

IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A GIMME IT

LOOKS LIKE FOR SENATOR PAUL.

>> IF HE'S STILL AROUND BY THE

TIME.

>> AND WE KNOW THAT JEB BUSH IS

COMING TO LOUISVILLE NEXT WEEK.

>> JEB BUSH IS COMING THURSDAY

FOR A FUNDRAISER FOR THE

REPUBLICAN PARTY OF KENTUCKY.

AND IT'S REALLY OUTSIDE OF

CANDIDATES SHOWING UP FOR KIM

DAVIS IN TERMS OF A POLITICAL

EVENT.

IT'S THE FIRST I'M AWARE OF.

ON THE PRESIDENTIAL SIDE.

AND STEVE ROBERTSON, THE STATE

PARTY CHAIRMAN, SAYS THIS IS

GOING TO BE THE FIRST OF MANY,

THIS CAUCUS IDEA IS A GOOD IDEA

BY MOVING FROM THE MAY PRIMARY,

WHEN THE NOMINEE IS OFTEN

ALREADY KNOWN, TO A MARCH 5th,

VERY EARLY IN THE CALENDAR

CAUCUSES.

THERE WILL BE A LOT OF

CANDIDATES COMING INTO KENTUCKY.

>> DOES THAT SIGNAL THAT THE

HEAT THAT JEB BUSH IS GOING TO

COMPETE FOR KENTUCKY?

>> IF HE'S STILL IN IT.

I DO THINK BECAUSE I DON'T THINK

IT'S DEBATE PERFORMANCE WAS TOO

STERLING WEDNESDAY NIGHT.

BUT I THINK HE WILL BE AROUND BY

THEN.

AND, YES, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND

SECOND HANDED, HE'S LIKELY TO

SAY HE'LL BE PARTICIPATING IN

THE CAUCUSES, AND PROBABLY WILL

EVEN BE PAYING TO THE PARTY HIS

$15,000 REGISTRATION FEE.

UNDER THE RULES IT COSTS $15,000

FOR EACH PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN

TO TAKE PART IN THE CAUCUS.

>> IN THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE,

THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL

DEBATE, 11 PEOPLE WERE ON STAGE.

RAND PAUL WAS TRYING TO STAND

OUT AND AFTER DONALD TRUMP EARLY

ON, OF COURSE, TRUMP WENT AFTER

HIM, ONE OF THE VERY FIRST

THINGS SAID IN THE DEBATE.

BUT DID YOU FEEL, TOM, THAT YOU

SAW PAUL RETURN TO SORT OF A

LIBERTARIAN SORT OF STRIPE

THERE?

>> I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY

CONCLUSION YOU CAN DRAW FROM THE

LIMITED TIME HE HAD.

HE HAD VERY LIMITED TIME.

HE HAD ABOUT TEN MINUTES IN THE

THREE-HOUR DEBATE.

TRUMP HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN

18 MINUTES.

PAUL, ACCORDING TO NPR, RANKED

EIGHTH IN AIR TIME ON THE

DEBATE.

BUT -- I MEAN HE OBVIOUSLY WENT

BACK TO EMPHASIZING

NON-INTERVENTION IN FOREIGN

ADVENTURES UNLESS THERE'S A VERY

CLEAR PURPOSE AND AN END GAME

AND A DECLARATION BY CONGRESS.

HE SAID THE OTHER 14 CANDIDATES

WILL GO AHEAD AND DO OTHERWISE

IF YOU WANT TO CHOOSE THEM.

>> IT'S EITHER A CLINTON OR A

BUSH IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID.

ON MARIJUANA HE SAID -- HE

ACTUALLY GAVE A CLEAR ANSWER ON

THIS.

HE WAS PRESSED, WOULD YOU

ENFORCE TOUGHER FEDERAL LAWS IN

PLACES LIKE COLORADO, WHICH HAVE

MORE LIBERAL POLICIES.

AND HE SAID THE FEDERAL

GOVERNMENT SHOULD STAY OUT.

HE WOULDN'T DO THAT.

AND HE GOT INTO RAY REAL TANGLE

WITH GOVERNOR CHRISTIE OF NEW

JERSEY AND OTHERS ON THAT ISSUE

FOR A WHILE.

>> BY THE WAY, IT MAY ESCAPE

SOME THAT THERE IS A VOTE IN

OHIO IN NOVEMBER ON THE

LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA, WHICH

WILL BE INTERESTING TO WATCH.

>> BOTH PLACES.

>> RIGHT ACROSS THE RIVER FROM

KENTUCKY.

NICK, ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE

THERE IS A DRAFT BIDEN MOVEMENT

ORIGINATE HERE IN KENTUCKY.

>> IT'S ACTUALLY A FEDERAL

MOVEMENT THAT'S GOING ON.

THERE IS A KENTUCKY LAWMAKER

THAT'S GOING TO BE HEAING UP

KENTUCKY'S PART IN THIS.

IT'S A FEDERAL SUPER PAC, AND

REPRESENTATIVE STEVE RIGGS IS

GOING TO BE LEADING THE EFFORT

HERE IN KENTUCKY, OBVIOUSLY

KENTUCKY ISN'T A PLAYER REALLY

WHEN IT COMES TO PRESIDENTIAL

PRIMARIES.

SO THIS IS MORE OF AN EFFORT TO

GAIN THE DOLLARS AND SUPPORTERS.

OBVIOUSLY COMING IN LATE, JOE

BIDEN WILL NEED ALL THE HELP HE

CAN GET.

SO RIGGS IS HOPING TO SCORE SOME

POINTS HERE IN KENTUCKY AND HELP

OUT THE VICE PRESIDENT.

>> THEY'RE COMMITTED CLINTON

SUPPORTERS IN THE STATE.

SHE CARRIED KENTUCKY EASILY IN

THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY IN 2008.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

AND I THINK AS SOME DEMOCRATS

SEE THAT SHE MIGHT HAVE SOME

PROBLEMS WITH THE MIDDLE EAST

SERVICES, THAT'S FINALLY TRYING

TO COME OUT AND CLEAR THAT UP,

BUT I THINK IT DOES PROVIDE THE

ROOM FOR THOSE SUPPORTERS THAT

ARE LOOKING FOR FOR ANOTHER

ALTERNATIVE PAST MARTIN O'MALLEY

AND SOME OF THE OTHER NAMES ARE

BEING BAND I HAD ABOUT.

>> A STATE POLICE TROOPER WAS

KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY THIS

WEEK, A HORRIBLE THING ON SUNDAY

NIGHT.

TROOPER CAMERON PONDER WAS

BURIED TODAY AFTER BEING SHOT TO

DEATH DURING A TRAFFIC STOP OUT

IN LYON COUNTY IN WESTERN

KENTUCKY.

NICK, YOU HAVE AN INDICATION

THAT PONDER'S DEATH COULD RESULT

IN SOME LEGISLATION, A

CONVERSATION YOU HAVE HAD WITH

HOUSE SPEAKER GREG STUMBO.

>> AID CHANCE TO TALK TO SPEAKER

STUMBO TODAY, AND AFTER SPEAKING

WITH HIM YOU KNOW HE'S BEEN

MOVED BY WHAT HAPPENED AND

RECOGNIZES THAT THERE MIGHT BE A

NEED TO PUT BETTER SAFETY GLASS

IN THE FRONT OF POLICE CRUISERS,

SO HE'S GOING TO SEND A LETTER

EITHER TODAY OR ON MONDAY AND

SEE WHAT ALL IT WOULD COST AND

TALK TO COMMISSIONER BREWER AND

FIND OUT AND GET SOME ESTIMATES

ON EITHER EITHER PUTTING A

LAMINATE TYPE MATERIAL THAT

WOULD HELP IN KIND OF DEFLECT

THE BULLET OR MAYBE EVEN

BULLETPROOF GLASS IN THE FRONT

OF FRONTLINE KSP TROOPER

AUTOMOBILES.

300, 400 FRONTLINE OFFICERS

MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THIS

PROTECTION.

THIS WOULDN'T BE FOR SOMEBODY

WHO IS PUSHING PAPER SO MUCH AS

THE TROOPERS THAT ARE MOST

LIKELY TO SEE DANGER.

>> MAYBE AVOID TRAGEDY LOOK WE

SAW.

JANET, YOU ARE BUSY GETTING

READY FOR THE BREEDERS' CUP AND

SO IS ALL OF THE BLUEGRASS AT

THIS POINT UP.

WROTE ABOUT THE AMERICAN

FAVORITE EFFECT.

AS THE TRIPLE CROWN WINNER, IN

ELECTRICS.

>> FINGERS CROSSED.

>> HIS HOMETOWN.

AND HE MAY RACE.

THAT'S THE PLAN.

>> YES, YES.

THEY SAID THEY ARE TRAINING HIM

TOWARDS COMING TO THE CLASSIC,

WHICH I THINK WE COULD COUNT ON

AN EXTRA 20,000 OR SO PEOPLE IS

WHAT I HAVE HEARD TRYING DO COME

TO KEENELAND OR AT LEAST SEE IT

DOWNTOWN, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO

WATCH IT DOWNTOWN OR AT THE NEW

RED MILE FACILITY, AND I THINK

WHEN HE TRAINED AT THE -- AT

SARATOGA FOR THE TRAVERS, THEY

HAD 15,000 PEOPLE SHOW UP JUST

TO WATCH HIS MORNING WORKOUT.

SO THAT'S THE KIND OF APPEAL

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND HE'S ALSO CREATING ALICIA,

MY COLLEAGUE HAS WRITTEN.

AN AMERICAN PHAROAH AFFECT AT

THE SALES.

>> THOSE ARE GOING WELL?

>> THEY'RE GOING GREAT, AND

THEY'VE DRAWN IN PEOPLE WHO ARE

NEW FACES.

THAT'S WHAT KEENELAND SAID TO

ME, THAT THEY'RE SEEING BUYERS

COMING IN WHO ARE CURIOUS, WHO

ARE SAYING CAN I GET INTO THIS

GAME.

>> FOAL CROP IS STRONG?

>> THIS IS THE BIGGEST INCREASE

IN A LONG TIME.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO SEE

ABOUT A 7% INCREASE IN THE

KENTUCKY THOROUGHBRED FOAL CROP,

AND THIS IS THE BIGGEST FOAL

CROP SINCE 2010.

>> WHEN YOU HAVE A HORSE LIKE

AMERICAN PHAROAH, WHEN YOU HAVE

THE TRIPLE CROWN WINNER, THERE

IS ALL THE TALK THAT HORSE

RACING NEEDS A TRIPLE CROWN

WINNER, IT SEEMS THAT IT IS --

THAT HE IS PAYING DIVIDENDS.

>> I THINK SO.

THERE'S DEFINITELY BEEN

PHENOMENAL INTEREST FROM

EVERYWHERE.

I THINK AMERICAN PHAROAH WAS

INVOGUE.

THESE ARE NOT THINGS THAT HAVE

HAPPENED IN THE PAST.

>> YOU MENTIONED THAT THE THE

RED MILE.

AND WE'RE ALL A LITTLE MYSTIFIED

EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON OUT

THERE.

THEY'RE OPENING UP A FACILITY

WITH MACHINES THAT EVERYBODY

SAYS LOOK JUST LIKE SLOT

MACHINES BUT THEY'RE NOT AND

THEN IT'S AT A TIME WHEN THIS

HISTORICAL RACING CONTINUES TO

BE UNDER LEGAL QUESTION.

>> THIS IS TRUE.

THIS IS TRUE.

>> IS THIS A BIG GAMBLE FOR TER

OPERATORS OF RED MILE?

>> IT IS.

THE RED MILE AND KEENELAND

TESTING INVESTED ABOUT

$42 MILLION IN THIS FACELIFT FOR

THE RED MILE.

THEY HAVE INSTALLED MORE THAN

900 MACHINES.

THESE ARE INSTANT RAISE RACING

AND THEY ARE WHAT THEY CALL

HISTORICAL WAGERING WHERE THE

OUTCOME IS ALLEGEDLY DETERMINED

BY A PREVIOUSLY RUN HORSE RACE,

AND IF YOU HAVE SEEN ANY OF THE

PICTURES OR HAVE BEEN TO THE RED

MILE, IT'S JUST A GREAT BIG

SCREEN AND A LITTLE TINY ONE

DOWN AT THE BOTTOM IS WHERE YOU

MIGHT SEE THE FINISH OF THE

HORSE RACE THAT WILL TELL YOU

WHETHER YOU'RE A WINNER LOSER,

ALLEGEDLY.

BUT THERE'S ALSO RIGHT IN FRONT

OF YOU MUCH BIGGER GREAT BIG

THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE SLOT

REELS.

>> SO THESE RACES HAVE HAPPENED

IN THE PAST.

IT'S JUST THAT YOU'RE WATCHING

NOW AND YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO IS

GOING TO WIN.

IS THAT --

>> YOU DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH

INFORMATION AT ALL ABOUT THE

RACE THAT YOU'RE ALLEGEDLY

BETTING ON, AND WHEN IT SHOWS

IT, IT SHOWS LIKE TWO SECONDS,

THREE SECONDS, THE FINISH AND IT

TELLS YOU WHO WON AND THEN IT

WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE RACE IS

SO IT WILL SAY THE TENTH RACE AT

GULFSTREAM ON FEBRUARY 2nd,

2007.

>> HOW WOULD IT BE CLARIFIED

WHETHER THIS IS IN FACT LEGAL

AND IF IT BECOMES AB IMPORTANT

REVENUE STREAM, WOULD THE

LEGISLATURE THEN MOVE TO BE SURE

THAT IT IS LEGAL?

>> THIS CASE IS STILL IN

FRANKLIN CIRCUIT CORE WHERE

THEY'RE STILL TAKING DISCOVERY,

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO

BE REALLY INTERESTING SEEING

WHERE THIS GOES.

THEY'RE DELVING INTO WHETHER OR

NOT THIS IS ACTUALLY PARI-MUTUEL

AND THAT QUESTION WOULD BE

DECIDED NEXT YEAR.

THAT'S WHAT JUDGE WINGATE HAS

SET THE TRIAL DATE.

AND EITHER WAY I ASSUME IT WILL

BE APPEAL AGAIN TO THE STATE

SUPREME COURT.

IF IT LOOKS LIKE THE STATE HAS

STARTED TO SEE SIGNIFICANT

REVENUE, TAX REVENUE FROM THIS,

I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE THE STATE

LEGISLATURE WOULD STEP IN AND

SAY OBJECT WEEK, EITHER WAY

WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE

SURE THAT THIS IS LEGAL.

>> TOM, SPEAKER, STUMBO

INDICATES HE MAY WANT TO TAKE A

NEW APPROACH, A FRESH APPROACH

TO EXPANDED GAMING AND COME

FORTH WITH A POTENTIALLY VERY

DETAILED AMENDMENT THAT WOULD

SPELL OUT EXACTLY WHERE CASINOS

COULD BE.

>> HE SAYS HE WILL BE FILING AN

AMENDMENT IN THE NEXT SESSION,

AND HE SAYS IT'S GOING TO BE A

PRIORITY.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HOUSE BILL

1 BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A TOP

PRIORITY.

AND HE SAYS THAT IT'S GOING TO

BE DETAILED.

HE'S GOING TO SPELL OUT WHERE

THE MONEY GOES, WHICH STATE

PROGRAMS, HOW MANY CASINOS THERE

WILL BE, AND THAT THEY WON'T BE

IN SMALL COUNTIES, COUNTIES

FEWER THAN 55,000 POPULATION.

HE SAID THIS BEFORE.

I THINK AT THE END OF THE 2014

SESSION, HE VOWED IT WOULD BE

HOUSE BILL 1, THE TOP PRIORITY

IN THE 2015 SESSION.

AND GAMBLING WAS NOWHERE OR

CASINO BILL WAS NOWHERE IN THE

2015 SESSION.

SO WE'LL SEE.

>> AND, NUK, AT THE OTHERnd OF

THE CAPITAL WHERE THE

REPUBLICANS CONTROL THE SENATE,

WHAT COULD THEY SAY ABOUT THAT?

>> I'M SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT

HAPPY ABOUT IT.

THERE HAS BEEN A SPLIT BEFORE,

SENATOR DAMON THAYER HAS BEEN IN

FAVOR OF IT SO THERE ARE

POSSIBLY SOME VOTES.

BUT I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT

THIS ISSUE AND WHAT JANET WAS

TALKING ABOUT, TOO, IS THAT THE

STATE IS IN DIRE NEED OF CAPITAL

AND SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME

FRANK CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW

YOU RAISE THAT MONEY.

>> THIS ISSUE IS STALLED

CLEARLY, BUT I THINK NICK IS

EXACTLY RIGHT.

IF THEY GET TO THE POINT WHEN

THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO WRITE A

BUDGET FOR 2016-18 WHICH THEY'VE

GOT TO DO BETWEEN JANUARY AND

APRIL 15th, IF THEY'RE GOING

TO SERIOUSLY ADDRESS THE PENSION

ISSUE, SERIOUSLY ADDRESS IT,

WHICH THEY HAVEN'T DONE, THEY'VE

GOT TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING.

>> AND I'LL SAY THIS.

>> AND CASINOS VERSUS TAXES?

IT THEN BECOMES A LITTLE BIT

MORE -- IF IT GETS THAT POINT.

OF COURSE, THEY COULD PUNT THE

PENSION OFF OFF TO ANOTHER BILL.

>> IN THIS BILL THAT STUMBO IS

PROPOSING THERE IS ONE OF THOSE

AREAS HE WOULD SAY THAT REVENUE

IS GOING TO IS TOWARDS THE

PENSION ELSE? THIS STATE, AND,

YOU KNOW, UNLIKE WHAT A TWO-YEAR

BUDGET SESSION CAN DO OR

BIENNIUM BUDGET CAN DO THIS

WOULD SET IT UP INTO PERP CHUTE.

THIS WOULD SET IT UP FOREVER.

>> 40% FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, 30%

FOR HIGHER ED, 20% FOR PENSIONS.

>> BUT A BIG CHUNK THOSE

PENSIONS.

>> NOT A BIG CHUNK FOR THE

PENSIONS.

IF YOU RECALL WHEN JUDGE WILL

SCOTT RAN FOR THE REPUBLICAN

NOMINATION FOR GOVERNOR, HE SAID

THAT THAT'S WHERE ALL THE MONEY

WOULD GO.

IT NEEDS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF

DOLLARS IN ADDITION PER YEAR,

AND HE'S THE ONLY CANDIDATE FOR

GOVERNOR, GENERAL OR PRIMARY,

WHO HAS IDENTIFIED A SOURCE.

IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH MONEY FOR

PENSIONS BUT IT'S A COUPLE

HUNDRED MILLAL MILLION MORE THAN

I'VE HEARD IDENTIFIED AT LEAST

BY THE OTHER.

>> ONE OF THE MOST DEBATED

ISSUES OF OUR TIME THE LAST FEW

YEARS HAS BEEN THE AFFORDABLE

CARE ACT, AND WHAT WE DO KNOW

FROM SOME NEW FIGURES RELEASED

THIS WEEK IS THAT KENTUCKY HAS

HAD THE LARGEST DROP IN

UNINSURED PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY,

RIGHT?

>> THAT'S RIGHT, BILL.

THE SUNDAYS BUREAU CAME OUT WITH

A REPORT MARYLAND WEEK SAYING

THAT THE PERCENT OF UNINSURED IN

KENTUCKY FELL FROM 14.3% IN 2013

TO 8.5% LAST YEAR.

THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER REPORTS

THAT HAVE SAID LARGELY THE SAME

THING.

AND IT'S DUE TO THE EXPANSION OF

MEDICAID LARGELY.

AND OBAMACARE.

>> AND THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT

THAT GOING FORWARD IN TERMS OF

THE COSTS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE

BORNE BY THE STATE.

JANET, THIS IS KENTUCKY BOURBON

HERITAGE MONTH.

THE STATE IS CELEBRATING THAT

AND ITS CONTRIBUTION TO THE

ECONOMY OF THE STATE.

THE SALES NUMBERS CONTINUE TO BE

STRONG.

SOME OF THE DISTILL REQUIRES

USING THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO

RELEASE SOME NEW PRODUCTS.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

EVERY YEAR THEY LIKE TO COME OUT

WITH SPECIAL RELEASES THAT THE

COLLECTORS LIKE TO TRY TO HUNT

DOWN.

THE KENTUCKY BOURBON FESTIVAL IS

GOING NOT BARDSVILLE.

THERE'S A GALA TONIGHT, I THINK.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SLOWING

DOWN IN SALES, AND THE BIG

DISTILLERIES LIKEMAKERS MARK AND

BROWN-FORMAN ARE BUILDING MORE.

JIM BEAM IS ABOUT TO OPEN A NEW

VISITORS CENTER IN LOUISVILLE.

AND EVEN THE SMALLER

DISTILLERIES, PLACES LIKE OLD

TAYLOR AND WOODFORD WITH THE

FORMER CHARLES MEDFORD FACILITY

THAT HAVE BEEN MOTHBALLED FOR

CENTURIES ARE COMING BACK TO

LIFE AND A NEW FACILITY IS BREAK

GROUND IN PIKEVILLE.

>> THE BOURBON INDUSTRY

CONTINUES TO EMERGE AS A

POWERFUL VOICE IN LEGISLATURE.

>> ABSOLUTELY, WHEN YOU'RE

BRINGING IN THE TYPE OF DOLLARS

THEY ARE THIS IN TUMOR, I THINK

THEY'RE TOSSING THEIR WEIGHT

AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

KNOW THEY WANT TO CHANGE CHANGES

IN THE TO THE LAW AND MAKE

KENTUCKY THE NAPA VALLEY FOR

BOURBON.

>> WE SAW THE TOP SPENDERS.

>> IT WAS THE BEER BILL.

THE FIGHT OVER SO FAR THIS YEAR

ANHEUSER-BUSCH LEADS THE WAY IN

SPENDING ON LOBBYING, ABOUT

$400,000.

BUT THE BEER WHOLESALERS AND

ANOTHER INTEREST GROUP ON THE

OTHER SIDE OF THAT ISSUE WHO WON

ARE GETTING BEER

DISTRIBUTORSHIPS THAT AN HIGHS

ARE HAD BACKED AWAY FROM THEM.

THEY SPENT A HECK OF A LOT OF

MONEY.

THEY WERE IN THE TOP TEN.

>> MONEY DIDN'T SWAY IN THAT

CASE.

TUNE IN MONDAY AT 8/7 CENTRAL

FOR KENTUCKY TONIGHT.

BILL GOODMAN'S SCHEDULEDY GUESTS

WILL BE THE CANDIDATES ARE FOR

SECRETARY OF STATE ALISON

LUNDERGAN GRIMES AND STEPHEN L.