>> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD.
IT LOOKS LIKE CONGRESSMAN JIM JORDAN WILL SAIL IN HIS BID TO BECOME SPEAKER OF THE U.S. HOUSE.
ON FRIDAY MORNING, JORDAN'S FAILED TO GET THE NUMBER OF REPUBLICAN VOTES HE NEEDED TO BECOME SPEAKER.
IT WAS HIS THIRD ATTEMPT.
IN EACH STRIKE, MORE REPUBLICANS VOTED AGAINST HIM.
FRIDAY AFTERNOON, THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS MEMBERS VOTED TO FIND ANOTHER CANDIDATE FOR THE SPEAKER.
THEIR DISAGREEMENTS WITHIN PARTIES THAT HAPPEN IN BOTH PARTIES, BUT THIS GOES A LITTLE DEEPER THAN THAT?
>> IT IS STARTING TO LOOK THAT WAY.
YOU KNOW, THE PARTY WAS A CENTRALIZED EFFORT 50 YEARS AGO, WHERE THE PARTY BOSSES GET TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO.
AND NOW, EVERY CANDIDATE GETS TO RUN FOR HIMSELF OR HERSELF.
AND THEY GET TO DETERMINE THEIR POLITICAL FUTURES.
AND WHEN YOU PUT A BUNCH IN A ROOM, IT'S HARD TO GET THEM ALL IN THE SAME DIRECTION.
AT SOME POINT, THOUGH, FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY, MORE IMPORTANTLY, THEY HAVE TO PULL TOGETHER.
AND THEY TOOK A BUNCH OF VOTES FOR KEVIN MCCARTHY TO BECOME SPEAKER, ALTHOUGH THEY WENT ONE AFTER THE OTHER.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA TAKE A BUNCH MORE TO GET A REPUBLICAN SPEAKER.
>> TIM, WERE DEMOCRATS SECRETLY HOPING THAT JIM JORDAN WILL BECOME SPEAKER, FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF DEMOCRATS WERE HOPING FOR THAT BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT UNDER DONALD J TRUMP AS PRESIDENT.
AND WE'VE SEEN EVERY REPUBLICAN IN CONGRESS ACQUIESCE TO TRUMP AND WRITES.
I THINK WHAT IS EYE-OPENING FOR THE FUTURE OF THE 2024 ELECTION CYCLE, BECAUSE JIM JORDAN EMBODIES THE TRUMP AGENDA, AND SO, WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO VOTE AGAINST JIM JORDAN.
AND SO, I THINK WHAT DEMOCRATS ARE LOOKING FOR IS A SOLUTION TO CONTINUE TO DO THE BUSINESS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS GOING TO DO BECAUSE THIS IS SQUARELY IN THEIR ATTEMPT.
THEY HAVE THE MAJORITY, AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO GOVERN.
>> YOU SEE ALL TEN REPUBLICAN MEMBERS FROM OHIO, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, VOTING WITH JIM JORDAN?
I GUESS IT'S NOT SURPRISING, YOU ARE A HOME STATE PERSON.
BUT NOT ALL OF THEM ARE CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH JIM JORDAN AS SOME OTHERS ARE.
>> YEAH, I MEAN, I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING.
THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN REPRESENTED DAVID JOINS WAS CONSIDERING A DIFFERENT PATH FORWARD, EMPOWERING THE TEMPORARY SPEAKER WITH A SITUATION.
BUT, I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE WERE THE MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS IN THE CAUCUS WHERE ON A PARTICULAR ISSUE, THIS IS JUST MESSY AND IMPEDING THE ABILITY OF THE CHAMBER TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE BASIC THINGS.
>> 89% OF REPUBLICANS STILL WANT JORDAN.
THIS IS A POLL FROM TODAY.
HE GOT 25 VOTES AGAINST HIM, BUT HE HAS CLOSE TO 200 VOTES FOR HIM.
SHOULDN'T HE BE THE SPEAKER OF THE REPUBLICANS, 89% OF THE CAUCUS WANTS HIM TO BE SPEAKER?
>> JIM JORDAN IS VERY POPULAR WITH THE BASE, IN ADDITION TO HAVING BEEN A CONSERVATIVE HIS WHOLE CAREER.
RUNNING THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND OTHER COMMITTEES DOING OVERSIGHT, HE IS PREPARED.
HE DOESN'T READ WHAT HIS STAFFERS TELL HIM TO DO.
HE ASKS QUESTIONS THAT SHOWS HE KNOWS THE MATERIAL.
HERE'S THE PROBLEM.
THIS IS LESS ABOUT IDEOLOGY.
WHEN YOU ARE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, THERE'S 435 STUDENT BODY PRESIDENTS, ALL WHO THINK THEY ARE THE SMARTEST.
AND ALL OF THEM ARE DOING THINGS FOR THEIR OWN POLITICAL REASONS.
AND WHEN THE MAJORITY IS THIS SMALL, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.
>> IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT DEMOCRATS, PROBABLY IN THE WEEKEND OR MONDAY, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER VOTE?
IS THERE ANY CHANCE DEMOCRATS WILL TRY TO FORM A COALITION WITH SOME REPUBLICANS TO TRY TO GET A SPEAKER VOTE PASSED?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO HELP REPUBLICANS FIGURE OUT HOW TO GOVERN.
I DO KNOW THAT SPEAKER JEFFRIES MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE OPEN TO SOME OPTIONS, FOR CANDIDATES TO BECOME SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, OPTIONS THAT INCLUDE PROBABLY FOLKS WHO AREN'T AS EXTREME, AND OPTIONS THAT INCLUDE CERTAIN DEALS FOR DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING COMMITTEE OPPORTUNITIES, AND OTHER THINGS THAT THEY MAY WANT, WHICH UNDER MCCARTHY, THAT WAS A NO DEAL SITUATION.
SO, MAYBE THE REPUBLICANS WILL RETHINK THAT AS THEY TRY TO FIND A SPEAKER.
>> JESSE, DOES IT HELP OR HURT JIM JORDAN BACK IN HIS OHIO DISTRICT, STRETCHING ALL THE WAY INTO THE WEST -- >> I, MEAN I DON'T THINK IT HURTS HIM.
I THINK HE'S WELL-KNOWN AND WELL LIKED IN THIS DISTRICT.
I THINK SOMEDAY HE CAN WIN EASILY, BUT REALLY, AND THE WAY YOU DRAW THAT DISTRICT IN THAT PARTICULAR PART OF OHIO, REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO SUCCEED THERE.
>> MARK, LET'S SHOW SOME -- HE SHOWING SOME STRENGTH AT THE MORE CENTRIST MODERATE REPUBLICAN SO-CALLED WEIGHING.
IS THIS A SENSE THEY MIGHT BE TRYING TO GET THAT BACK, TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE FAR EXTREME RIGHT, YOU KNOW, MATT GAETZ, JIM JORDAN, PUT THEIR STATE ON THE GROUND HERE?
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT.
I THINK THE MORE IMPORTANT PART OF IT IS EACH MEMBER DOES WHAT IS IN HIS OR HOME OWN POLITICAL INTEREST.
AND IF THAT MEANS ALIGN WITH JIM JORDAN ARE GONNA DO IT, AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEY WON'T.
WE'RE COMING UP ON THE NEXT CONGRESSIONAL CYCLE.
ALL OF THEM ARE UP.
AND ALL OF THEM ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL OPPONENTS ARE GONNA BE HERE IN OHIO FILING SUIT.
SO MOST OF THESE DECISIONS ARE MADE BASED ON THEIR OWN POLITICAL INTEREST.
AND WITH THIS NARROW MAJORITY, WE ARE SEEING HOW TOUGH IT IS TO HAVE A UNITY CANDIDATE.
>> ANY CHANCE DEMOCRATS CHOOSE A CANDIDATE WITH RESOURCES, AND NO CANDIDATE UP AGAINST JIM JORDAN THIS TIME?
>> I DOUBT IT.
I THINK EVERY DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE WHO RUNS AGAINST JORDAN, THEY WILL FACE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY.
AND THEY STILL HAVE YET TO PROCESS THAT, BECAUSE THE LINES ARE DRAWN SO GERRYMANDERED IN A WAY WHERE JIM JORDAN ESSENTIALLY DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO WIN THAT.
THAT'S PROBABLY HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY DEALS EVER IN CONGRESS.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO WORK THAT HARD.
>> ANY CHANCE WE SEE A PRIMARY OPPONENT?
>> THINGS MOVE QUICKLY.
THE JORDAN DISTRICT IS WINNABLE FOR REPUBLICANS, AS IT IS FOR THE DEMOCRATS.
THERE'S NO WAY REPUBLICANS ARE GONNA TAKE THAT OUT AND SPEND 1 MILLION DOLLAR TO LOSE -- WHAT IS INTERESTING IS I WONDER WHAT JIM JORDAN WISHES HE HAD JUMPED INTO THE U.S. SENATE RACE BECAUSE HE MIGHT HAVE CLEARED THAT DEAL.
YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WIN THAT NOMINATION.
AND ON THE BACK OF HIS THAT, HE THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA BE SPEAKER ONE DAY, IT LOOKS LIKE HE WON'T.
IT MAKES YOU WONDER WHETHER HE WISHES HE HAD JUMPED INTO THE SANITARY.
>> DECEMBER 20TH IS THE DEADLINE, RIGHT?
>> YES, I SUPPOSE.
I MEAN, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF GROUND TO GAIN.
AND THESE ARE THE THREE CANDIDATES.
I KNOW WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT SHORTLY, TAKING UP A LOT OF THAT GROUND.
>> WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT.
OUR SECOND TOPIC, A NEW POLL SHOWS STEADY SUPPORT FOR ABORTION RIGHTS AND OHIO.
THE UNIVERSITY POLL SHOWS 58% SUPPORT ISSUE ONE, WHICH WOULD ENSHRINE ABORTION RIGHTS IN THE CONSTITUTION.
34% OPPOSE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
8% REMAIN UNDECIDED.
THE POLL MATCHES A POLL DONE THIS SUMMER.
SO FAR, THE INTENSITY OF THE CAMPAIGN IS NOT LIVING UP TO THE EXPECTATIONS.
FUNDRAISING SEEMS TO BE ON THE SLOW SIDE.
THE ISSUE IS CHARGING FOR YARD SIGNS AS A WAY TO MAKE MONEY.
BUT ONLY RECENTLY LAUNCHED-LIMITED TV AD CAMPAIGNS.
FIRST BALL, THE BUBBA WALLACE METHODOLOGY -- IDENTICAL TO THE USA TODAY, IN JULY OR AUGUST?
>> I THINK WHEN YOU PULL ON THIS ISSUE, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA SUPPORT SOME ACCESS TO ABORTION IN THE STATE OF OHIO, CERTAINLY MORE ACCESS THAN WE HAD UNDER THE 2019 LAW WHICH BANS MOST ABORTIONS AT THE STATE.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS, AND NO CAMPAIGN IS TRYING TO PUSH BACK ON THAT.
ANOTHER THING I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING IS THE ACTUAL CONSTITUTIONAL LANGUAGE VERSUS WHAT THE BOTTOM LANGUAGE IS GONNA BE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT WILL AFFECT THINGS, BUT THE LANGUAGE IS MORE FAVORABLE TO THE OTHER SIDE.
>> 39% OF REPUBLICANS SUPPORT ISSUE ONE ACCORDING TO THIS POLL.
ONLY 7% OF DEMOCRATS OPPOSE IT.
SO, THE PARTY IS LINING UP MORE ON THE YES SIDE AND THE NO SIDE, MARK?
>> YEAH, SO, THE INDEPENDENTS ARE MUCH CLOSER.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN INTERESTING NOTE -- I LIKE THE WAY JESSIE SAID IT BECAUSE I THINK SHE IS RIGHT.
OHIOANS SAVER SOME ACCESS TO ABORTION.
AND THE ARGUMENT IS ABOUT HOW MUCH THAT IS.
AND UNLESS THE NO SIDE CAN GET IT OUT THERE THAT THIS IS MUCH MORE THAN ABORTION.
IN FACT, IT IS INCLUDED BUT NOT LIMITED TO ABORTION, AND THAT IS A LAKE ERIE SIZE LOOPHOLE THAT SOME JUDGE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS IN THE FUTURE.
WE MIGHT FIND ALL SORTS OF OTHER THINGS IN THERE THAT COULD TROUBLE PEOPLE.
UNLESS THAT MESSAGE GETS OUT, IT VERY WELL MAY PASS.
>> 37% OF THOSE WHO CALL THEMSELVES EVANGELICALS SUPPORT ISSUE ONE.
MANY OF THE LAST COUPLE OF ADS FOR THE U.S. ON ONE SIDE HAVE FEATURED THINGS, FEATURING A BATTER FROM COLUMBUS, AND THE LATEST ONE FEATURES A MAN WHO SAYS HE GREW UP RELIGIOUS AND OPPOSED TO ABORTION.
BUT NOW HE'S CHANGED.
BUT IS THAT STRATEGY WORKING, CLEAR-CUT AMONG EVANGELICALS, WHATEVER THAT TERM MEANS?
>> I THINK THEY'RE DEFINITELY HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE OF FAITH.
I'M A PERSON OF FAITH.
I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE MORAL ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES AND WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF RELIGION.
I THINK THAT AT THE HEART OF IT IS WHAT IS ISSUE ONE, AND WHAT WILL THAT MEAN FOR OHIOANS, RIGHT?
AND SO, WE ARE TELLING PEOPLE STORIES ABOUT KYLE, WHO HAD A ONE TERM PREGNANCY.
EVERYONE WENT THE TURNAROUND STORY NOW ABOUT THE TEN YEAR OLD GIRL.
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IS PEOPLE ACROSS OHIO UNDERSTOOD WHAT ABORTION CARE ACCESS MEANS FOR OHIOANS, AND THAT INCLUDES MISCARRIAGE CARE.
IT INCLUDES WHEN A FETUS HAS ABNORMALITIES AND DIFFERENT HEALTH CARE OPTIONS ARE NECESSARY, AND THEY DON'T WANT THEIR DOCTORS CONFERRING WITH POLITICIANS.
AND THOSE STORIES HUMANIZE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THESE HOSPITAL ROOMS.
AND THAT INCLUDES PASTORS AND PEOPLE OF FAITH WHO HAVE TO SIT AND PRAY WITH THESE VERY SAME PEOPLE.
>> WHY HAS THIS CAMPAIGN, THE SAME BUZZ AS WE HEARD THE SUMMER, DIFFERENT ISSUE, DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, DYNAMIC, BUT WE ALL THOUGHT THERE'S A LOT OF NATIONAL MONEY COMING IN.
THERE'S NATIONAL MEDIA COMING IN, BUT THERE'S NOWHERE NATIONAL MONEY IS COMING IN.
WHY IS THAT?
>> WELL, I GUESS THERE IS NATIONAL FUNDRAISING ON BOTH SIDES OF THESE CAMPAIGNS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE ANTHONY FOUNDATION ON THE NO SIDE, IT'S GIVING MONEY FOR PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
ON THE EAST SIDE, IT'S GIVING MONEY AS WELL.
SO, THERE IS NATIONAL INTEREST ON THIS IN OHIO.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT MORE MONEY OR A LOT MORE ADS BEFORE WE HIT NOVEMBER 7TH.
BUT MILLIONS HAVE BEEN SENT ALREADY AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT WILL ONLY GROW.
>> DO YOU SEE THE SAME MARKETS ARE THE SAME BECAUSE OF THE ABORTION OPPONENT, ABORTION RIGHTS OPPONENTS, IN THESE STATES, EIGHT STATES PRIOR TO THIS ABORTION RIGHTS, FOLKS HAVE COME OUT ON TOP.
OHIO IS GOING TO BE THE FIREWALL.
THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS STATE WIN.
THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS -- >> THEY'RE TRYING TO.
EVERY ONE OF THESE STATES HAS BEEN SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
OF COURSE, THE STATES ARE DIFFERENT.
HERE'S THE PROBLEM MOTIVE, THE ABORTION INDUSTRY MAKES A LOT OF MONEY OFF THE INTENTIONAL KILLING OF INNOCENT HUMAN LIFE.
SO, THEY NEED TO PROTECT THOSE PROFITS, THE SAME WAY THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY WANTS TO PROTECT ITS PROFITS.
A LOT OF MONEY WOULD BE SPENT UNDER THE SURFACE.
IT'S NOT REPORTABLE ON TURN OUT AND GETTING PEOPLE TO THE POLLS THAT WON'T SHOW UP IN MEDIA.
BUT THE POLLING SUGGESTS A TROUBLING TREND FOR THE NO SIDE, BUT THERE ARE STILL SEVERAL DAYS LEFT.
>> ARE FOLKS EXCITED ABOUT THIS ISSUE ONE, AS THEY WERE ABOUT ISSUED ONE IN AUGUST, ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE?
>> I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK THE POLLING REFLECTS THAT.
AND MOST OHIOANS SUPPORT ISSUE ONE.
OUR GOAL RIGHT NOW IS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO SUPPORT ISSUE ONE IS OUT THEY ARE VOTING IN NOVEMBER AND VOTING EARLY, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO ABORTION CARE IN THE STATE.
I THINK THE ENERGY IS THERE.
THE YOUNG PEOPLE WANT IT.
EVANGELICALS WANT IT.
ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE ACROSS DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS WHO SUPPORT ISSUE ONE.
THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE MAKE SURE EVERYONE GOES OUT AND VOTES IN NOVEMBER.
>> YOU HAVE ANY INDICATION FROM EARLY VOTING, JESSE, ANY SURPRISES?
GENERALLY, DEMOCRATS VOTE EARLY OR FREQUENTLY AND IN GREATER NUMBERS THAN REPUBLICANS.
>> I'M GONNA GIVE A BRIEF LOOK AT EARLY VOTING NUMBERS.
THE LARGEST COUNTIES, THE LARGEST NUMBERS, SALES OF THE LARGEST NUMBER OF ELDERS, SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT.
BUT, YES, CERTAINLY, THIS ISSUE IS DEMOCRATS SUPPORT ABORTION ACCESS AT A HIGHER RATE THAN REPUBLICANS, AND THE POLLING INDICATES THAT A PORTION OF REPUBLICANS WOULD SUPPORT THAT ISSUE AS WELL.
>> IF THE CAMPAIGN FOR AND AGAINST ISSUE ONE LACKS INTENSITY, THEN IN THE FIGHT OVER LEGAL MARIJUANA IS DOWNRIGHT NO.
UNLIKE THE LEGALIZATION CAMPAIGN OF 2015, THERE HAS BEEN NO TV COMMERCIALS, NO RALLIES, NO GREEN HEADED MUSCULAR MASCOTS NAMED BUDDY, THE WALLACE POLL SHOWS SUPPORT FOR LEGALIZING RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA IS ABOUT 57%.
35% OF THOSE SURVEYED SAY THEY OPPOSE THE LAW AND 8% ARE UNDECIDED.
DESIR E, THIS HAS BEEN A VERY QUIET CAMPAIGN.
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?
>> WELL, MONEY TALKS -- [laughter] I THINK IT'S ALL ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY A DIFFERENT CAMPAIGN WILL HAVE IN ORDER TO GET THE WORD OUT.
I THINK EVERYONE IS COUNTING ON, FOLKS PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT'S HAPPENING.
WE CERTAINLY KNOW THE LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA, IT'S POPULAR, BOTH AMONG OHIOANS AND FRANKLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND WE HAVE HEARD MANY STORIES ABOUT OHIO CATCHING UP TO MICHIGAN AND OTHER STATES THAT ARE EARNING TAX REVENUE BECAUSE OF THIS AND WHAT THAT WILL MEAN FOR CERTAIN COMMUNITIES.
AND SO, THROUGH THE LAYERS OF EQUITABLE PROGRAMS AND, I THINK PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN IT.
AGAIN, I THINK THE QUESTION BEGINS TO UNFOLD AS TO WHETHER PEOPLE WOULD COME OUT AND VOTE THIS NOVEMBER TO SUPPORT IT, AND I THINK THEY WILL ONCE THEY GET TO THE POLLING LOCATION.
>> JESSE, IT 2015 CAMPAIGN WAS KIND OF ALMOST LIKE A CARICATURE.
THEY LITERALLY HAD A MASCOT WAS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, A CARICATURE.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS TAKEN SERIOUSLY 2015.
THERE WAS OTHER ISSUES.
AND THIS ONE SEEMS TO BE MORE, YOU KNOW, POLICY, TAX MONEY.
OTHER STATES ARE DOING IT, SO THERE'S NO REAL GIMMICKS.
>> IT'S WILD HOW DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT IT IS BECAUSE THEY COVERED THE CAMPAIGN IN 2015.
I WAS THERE FOR THE MASCOT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MONOPOLY, AND GETTING, GIVING CERTAIN PEOPLE ACCESS.
I THINK YOU ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE NUMBER ONE, WE'VE HAD MEDICAL MARIJUANA PROGRAMS A LITTLE BIT HERE IN OHIO.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT THAT WAY.
AND THEN I THINK ISSUE ONE AND THE ABORTION, REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS DISCUSSION IS PICKING UP SO MUCH OXYGEN THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT LEFT FOR THIS ISSUE.
>> TALKING ABOUT TURNOUT, MARK.
35% RANGE -- YOUNG PEOPLE ARE GONNA PROBABLY VOTE FOR THIS, AS THE POLLS SHOW.
BUT YOUNG PEOPLE TEND NOT TO VOTE IN THOSE ELECTIONS.
>> THE AFOREMENTIONED MONEY TO TURN OUT VOTERS ON A SHOW ONE WILL HAVE THE EFFECT OF HELPING ISSUE NUMBER TWO.
IT KIND OF POLITICAL TANDEM ISSUE IN SOME WAYS.
BUT WHEN I TALK TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, MY WORK IS AS A PART-TIME ACTING JUDGE.
NEARLY, EVERYONE WHO DEALS WITH THOSE PEOPLE THINK THIS IS A REALLY BAD IDEA.
THIS IS NOT THE MARIJUANA OF THE 1970S.
AND MY COURTROOMS OVER THE YEARS, I ASKED DRUG ADDICTS, WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST DRUG?
AND THEY ALWAYS, ALWAYS SAY MARIJUANA.
AND THEY WISH THEY HADN'T STARTED.
THEY ALWAYS USE OPIOIDS -- ALWAYS SAY YES.
I SPOKE IN SEATTLE EARLIER THIS WEEK, AND I RAN OUT TO CHIPOTLE TO GET SOME DINNER -- NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO, BUCKEYE GAME, THE THEATER, MARIJUANA WOULD BE EVERYWHERE.
THE QUALITY OF LIFE WOULD BE REDUCED.
THIS IS A REALLY BAD IDEA.
>> BUT YOU JUST WALK AND SMELL IT, YOU SEE PEOPLE ACTING FUNNY, OR YOU JUST SMELL -- IT >> THE SMELL IS THE ANNOYING PART.
IT'S THE COURT SYSTEM AND LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT WILL TELL YOU THAT THE TOLL, BOTH OF ADDITIONAL ADDICTS, AND CHILDREN WHO WILL COME UPON EDIBLES AND INTERESTS THEM, WITH EDIBLES -- AND THEY'RE OFTEN NOW LOOKING AT WHETHER THEY DID THE RIGHT THING, AND I THINK A LOT OF BAD THINGS WILL COME UP.
>> IS THERE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE -- HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?
>> I THINK THE ARGUMENTS THAT THEY'RE MAKING ARE THE SAME ARGUMENTS WE PROBABLY HAD WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALCOHOL.
AND YOU CONSUME TOO MUCH OF ANYTHING, IT CAN BE A PROBLEM.
LOOK, THE REALITY IS BY ALLOWING LEGALIZATION MARIJUANA, IT WILL DEFINITELY AFFECT BLACK AND BROWN CHILDREN WHO ARE OFTEN INSERTED INTO THE CRIMINAL LEGAL SYSTEM BECAUSE OF A SMALL AMOUNT OF MARIJUANA, THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR FINANCIAL AID OR HOUSING, OR A DRUG TEST FOR A JOB BECAUSE THEY SMOKED POT.
SO I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES FROM OUR SOCIETY.
AND SO, THERE IS A WEBSITE, ALCOHOL.COM, EVERYONE CAN GO VISIT IT, TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE FACTS, WHAT THIS LEGISLATION WILL MEAN HERE IN OHIO.
>> TO BE CLEAR, IF YOU HAVE A PERSONAL USE OF MARIJUANA RIGHT NOW, THE MAXIMUM PUNISHMENT IS AT 150 DOLLAR FINE.
THERE IS NOBODY IN JAIL OR PRISON BECAUSE OF PERSONAL HOLDING OFF MARIJUANA.
THERE ARE DEALERS IN JAIL.
BUT THE MAXIMUM YOU CAN HAVE AS 150 DOLLAR FINE WHICH IS -- >> BUT THAT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE?
>> I'M ONLY SPEAKING ABOUT IT NOW.
AND I THINK IT'S WHERE IT OUGHT TO BE NOW.
YOU SHOULD NOT GO TO PRISON FOR HAVING A PERSONAL AMOUNT.
BUT THERE IS A MYTH OUT THERE THAT THERE IS A LOT OF COLLEGE STUDENTS WHO ARE BEHIND BARS FOR YEARS BECAUSE THEY HAD A JOINT, THAT IS HOLLYWOOD NONSENSE.
>> THERE HAVE BEEN FOLKS IN THE PAST, RIGHT?
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DO IT FOR SOME OF THESE -- AND THE SYSTEM, THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM MOVES VERY SLOWLY.
AND SO, WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT COLLEGE STUDENTS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUNG BLACK BOYS IN HIGH-RISK COMMUNITIES WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE PETTY CRIMES OFTEN LEAD TO GREATER CONSEQUENCES.
AND SO, FOR ME, IT IS ABOUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE MOVE THEM OUT OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM SO THEY HAVE THEIR CHANCE AT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, THAT YOUNG WHITE KIDS IN THE SUBURBS HAVE.
>> JESSE, THIS IS LAW, SO LAWMAKERS COULD APPEAL IT.
BUT THERE'S SOME SUGGESTION THEY MAY TWEAK IT IF IT PASSES BY IT DECENT MARGIN -- >> YEAH, THEY SAY IF IT PASSES BY A HEALTHY MARGIN I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF IT WAS REPEALED ENTIRELY.
BUT YOU WILL DEFINITELY SEE THOSE NUMBERS AND THE SENATE.
AND YOU KNOW, AVERSION TO CHILDREN -- I THINK YOU CAN DEFINITELY SEE DIFFERENT PIECES OF LEGISLATION PASSED AROUND THIS, AND WE WILL SEE THAT WITH WHAT OHIOANS -- >> ARE YOU GONNA VOTE YES OR NO ON NOVEMBER 7TH?
THE PRIMARY FLY FOR U.S. SENATE WOULD BE NEAR THE TOP OF MIND FOR POLITICAL.
BUT WITH TWO STATEWIDE ISSUES ON THE BALLOT, WERE ALL BLUE CAN CANDIDATES ARE SCRAMBLING FOR ATTENTION.
THAT WALLACE POLL SHOWS EACH ONE IS LACKING -- FUNDRAISING IN THE LAST QUARTER WAS LOWER THAN EXPECTED.
THEY RAISED A LITTLE MORE MONEY THAN THEY DID BUT THOSE TWO MEN ARE VERY WEALTHY.
AND THEY CONTRIBUTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THEIR CAMPAIGN.
HOW DO YOU SEE THIS CAMPAIGN -- THE PRIMARY IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY, FIVE MONTHS AWAY, AND NONE OF THESE CANDIDATES HAS REALLY STARTED YET?
>> THIS IS GONNA BE A DRAG OUT.
THEY'LL ALMOST ULTIMATELY LOSE NEXT YEAR.
REPUBLICANS KNOW.
HE'S NEVER HAD A YEAR LIKE THIS WHERE HE DID NOT HAVE A GOOD POLITICAL WIND BEHIND, WHICH IS WHAT DO THOUSAND AND SIX WAS, A WEAK POLITICAL CANDIDATE OPPOSING TEAM, 2012 AND 2018 WAS THAT.
THEY'RE CERTAINLY GONNA LOSE, AND THEY'RE ALL DYING TO BE THE NEXT SENATOR.
SO THESE THREE CANDIDATES WILL SLUG IT OUT TO SEE WHO WOULD GO ON.
>> IS BERNIE MORENO, TRUMP CANDIDATE, J.D.
VANCE -- >> TRUMP'S GONNA HAVE TO COME A LOT STRONGER FOR MARINO TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
MARINO EARLY ON SAID HE WOULD NOT SPEND THIS ON MONEY WHICH I FELT WAS KIND OF SHOCKING.
HE HAS SPENT HIS WHOLE MONEY AND SO -- FRANK ROSE IS THE ONE THAT HAS A TRACK RECORD IN HISTORY OF SUPPORT BOTH IN THE GENERAL AND THE PRIMARY ELECTION, WHICH IS WHAT THE TASK IS.
SO I KNOW THOSE CANDIDATES, THEY'RE ALL GOOD MEN.
I THINK WE MAY EVEN SEE ANOTHER CANDIDATE OR TO COME IN.
IT WOULDN'T BE A SIGNIFICANT CANDIDATE.
AND IT JUST TAKES AWAY A FEW PERCENTAGE POINTS HERE AND THERE.
THIS COULD COME DOWN TO THE WIRE.
>> DO YOU DISAGREE THAT IT'S A GIVEN THIS YEAR, BROWN LOSE A NOVEMBER?
>> YES, HE'S A FORCE OF NATURE.
AND I THINK HE IS PROVING THAT EVERY SINGLE ELECTION.
AND WHEN HE IS NOT RUNNING, I THINK PEOPLE AROUND THE STATE KNOW HIM.
HE HAS SUPPORT IN RURAL AND URBAN COMMUNITIES.
AND IN FACT, ALTHOUGH HE IS RUNNING AGAINST A GROUP OF REPUBLICANS THAT ARE VERY, VERY WEALTHY, HE HAD STILL OUTWEIGHS THEM WITH GRASSROOTS TOLERANCE.
AND, SO I THINK THIS CAMPAIGN IS GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTING.
I DON'T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO SHAKE OUT ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.
FRANKLY, I THINK THEY HAVE NO -- AND THE OTHER TWO CANDIDATES ARE JUST MAKING A RAIN OUT OF THEIR OWN PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNTS.
BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO WORK BEING DONE, POPULARITY, AND HOPE PEOPLE THAT TRUST, THAT PERSON IS SHORT BROWN.
>> FRANK ROSE'S LAST QUARTER RATE, $750,000 IN THEIR LAST THREE MONTHS.
BUT HE'S BEEN DOING OVER THINGS, SUPPORTING THE FIRST ISSUE, WHICH IS 60% THRESHOLD QUESTION.
THIS CAMPAIGN AS WELL -- >> YEAH, I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S SURPRISE THAT FRANK LA ROSE AS LESS MONEY THAN THE OTHER TWO CANDIDATES.
I THINK HE CERTAINLY HAD LESS PERSONAL WEALTH THAN THE OTHER TWO CANDIDATES SO HE CANNOT FUND IN A WAY THAT MORENO OR DOLAN CAN.
FOR THE ROSE, IT WILL BE REALLY INTERESTING -- REMEMBER, THE AUGUST ISSUE ONE, AND HOW MUCH THEY TIED IT TO HIM.
AND WE WILL SEE IF THAT ISSUE THAT PEOPLE ARE VOTING ON IN MARCH.
>> SOME BIG NAME FOLKS MIGHT JUMP AND, VIVEK RAMASWAMY, MAYBE.
WE TALKED ABOUT JIM JORDAN.
WE STILL HAVE OVER A MONTH FOR THE DEADLINE.
IS THERE A CHANCE ANY OF THESE CANDIDATES WHEN HE CATCHES FIRE AND WITH A LOT OF MONEY ON THEIR OWN PERSONAL WEALTH, SPEAKING IN AT THE LAST MINUTE?
>> THE ANSWER IS YES.
AND THE ANSWER IS MOST LIKELY.
JIM JORDAN, IF IT DOESN'T BECOME SPEAKER, STILL CONTROLS TO VERY POWERFUL COMMITTEES WHICH GET THINGS DONE.
SO, HE GOT A NATIONAL BASE AND A NATIONAL REPUTATION.
IT'S VERY WELL SPOKEN, THE FUTURE AND THE PARTY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WILL JUMP IN.
I KNOW THAT IF HE JUMPED IN, HE WON'T CLEAR THE FIELD, BUT HE WILL BE A CONTENDER IMMEDIATELY.
>> IN THIS POLL, BASICALLY TIED WITH ALL THREE OF THESE CANDIDATES, THAT HAS TO BE WORRISOME FOR DEMOCRATS?
>> I THINK IT IS WORRISOME FOR FIVE MINUTES, AND THEN, THE OTHER 55 MINUTES OF THE HOUR, I THINK VOTERS ARE REFLECTING ON THE WINDS THAT BROWN HAS DELIVERED OVER THE YEARS.
HE HAS THAT FROM LABOR ALL THE WAY TO, YOU KNOW, TEACHERS AND SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS.
AND SO, I THINK ONCE VOTERS ARE HEARING HIS RECORD A LITTLE BIT MORE AND REMINDED OF ALL THE WORK THAT HE HAS DONE AND CONTRIBUTES TO THE STATE, THOSE NUMBERS ARE GONNA GO UP, AS WELL THOSE ADS AND MAIL -- >> DO YOU THINK THAT'LL DRAG HIM DOWN, FREEZE ON POPULAR, 60% IN THE STATE RIGHT NOW?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL DRAG HIM DOWN.
I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, EVERY TIME THERE'S A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ON THE BALLOT BECAUSE TURNOUT IS HIGHER.
AND SO, I THINK FOR THAT BENEFIT FOR BROWN, AND THE AREA WAS SHARED IS STRONG.
A LOT OF REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS LIKE CHER BROWNE.
HE'S NOT JUST A DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE.
REPUBLICANS LIKE HIM TOO.
>> LET'S GET TO OUR RECORD -- TO YOU FIRST -- >> IF YOU CONSUME NEWS THIS WEEK, I TOLD YOU THAT 500 PEOPLE DIED WHEN AN ISRAELI MISSILE HIT A HOSPITAL, YOUR NEWS WAS WRONG.
NONE OF THAT WAS TRUE.
IT WAS NOT AN ISRAELI MISSILE.
AND THEN NUMBER 500 HAS NEVER BEEN PROVEN.
MANY ARE LEAPT ONTO THE PALESTINIAN SIDE AND HAMAS SIDE QUICKLY WITHOUT GOOD REASON.
>> MY FAVORITE ORGANIZATION, INNOVATION OHIO EDUCATION FUND, RELEASING A REPORT LAST WEEK ENTITLED OHIO IS MISSING VOTERS, WHERE WE IDENTIFIED NEARLY 700,000 INACTIVE REGISTERED VOTERS ON THE BOOKS.
AND SO, WE ARE ENCOURAGING EVERYONE TO PLEASE VOTE IN AND PARTICIPATE IN THIS UPCOMING ELECTION.
>> JESSE?
>> I THINK THE BEST, BEST THINK AN OHIO IS THE PUMPKIN SHOW THIS WEEKEND.
SO, I WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN MANY OF THOSE PUMPKIN THINGS.
>> THE NAME, PUMPKIN, THIS YEAR -- IT HAD A NAME.
I FORGOT THE NAME OF THE PUMPKIN.
>> I KNOW IT WAS A RECORD SETTING WEEKEND.
>> IT HAD AN AIM.
FORGIVE ME FOR NOT -- WE WILL GET IT NEXT WEEK.
WE WILL GET THE NAME OF THE PUMPKIN THAT ONE OF THE PUMPKIN FESTIVAL.
AND THE WAY, CHER BROWNE THIS WEEK CAME OUT IN FAVOR OF ISSUE ONE, THE ABORTION RIGHTS AMENDMENT.
BUT STILL NO WORD ON HOW HE WOULD VOTE ON ISSUE NUMBER TWO, THE MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION.
A QUESTION THAT MY GUESTS -- WE MAY NOT HEAR THAT BEFORE ACTION IT.
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