WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD, ONE MORE WEEKEND FOR CANDIDATES TO MAKE THEIR CASES JUST A FEW MORE DAYS FOR THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY GET THEIR VOTERS TO THE POLLS.
IT LOOKS LIKE EVERY ONE OF THOSE VOTES, U.S. SENATE COULD COUNT.
THE RACE BETWEEN DEMOCRAT TIM RYAN AND J.D.
VANCE REMAINS PRETTY TIGHT.
ALTHOUGH VANCE HAS PULLED SLIGHTLY AD IN RECENT TRACKING POLLS.
PERHAPS THAT'S WHY TIM RYAN AGREED TO BE GRILLED ON FOX NEWS A WEEK BEFORE THE ELECTION.
THE TWO MAN APPEARED SEPARATELY AT A TOWN HALL HERE IN COLUMBUS.
THEY STUCK TO THEIR POSITIONS WHEN IT COMES TO THREATS TO DEMOCRACY.
RYAN POINTS TO JANUARY SIX.
VANCE JOINTS TO THE BIG JACK.
>> ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT FUNDS THE CAPITOL POLICE.
THESE ARE MY FRIENDS.
140 OF THEM GOT HURT.
AND SOME OF THEM STILL CANNOT GO BACK TO WORK BECAUSE THEY WERE BEAT UP WITH LEAD PIPES, SPRAYED WITH PEPPER SPRAY, BE WITH FLAGPOLES.
OKAY, THEY WERE TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT.
THEY WERE TRYING TO STOP THE PEACEFUL TRANSITION OF THE GOVERNMENT.
WHAT ELSE WERE THEY DOING THERE.
THEY WERE GONNA KILL MIKE PENCE, RIGHT?
OR KILL NANCY PELOSI.
-- NANCY PELOSI'S HUSBAND WITH A HAMMER.
J.D.
VANCE RAISED MONEY FOR THE INSURRECTIONISTS.
HE MADE SEVERAL SOCIAL MEDIA POST TO RAISE MONEY FOR THEM.
AGAIN, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR POLITICS ARE.
BUT AMERICANS SHOULD SAY, NO, -- >> PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT OUR DEMOCRACY, WORRIED ABOUT THREATS TO OUR DEMOCRACY.
I HAPPEN TO THINK THE BIGGEST THREAT TO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY TODAY'S BIG TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES IN BED WITH THE COMMUNIST CHINESE WHO ARE CENTERING INFORMATION ABOUT -- [applause] THIS IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
LOOK, FACEBOOK, TWITTER, ALL THESE COMPANIES ARE NOW THE DIGITAL PUBLIC SQUARE.
IF THOSE COMPANIES WHICH SOME OF THEM HAVE FINANCIAL STAKES IN COMMUNIST CHINA.
OF THOSE COMPANIES ARE CENTERING INFORMATION IN A WAY THAT'S HELPING POLITICAL PARTIES, OR HURTING OTHER POLITICAL PARTIES, AUTUMN CARROTS MY POLITICAL PARTY BEING HELPED OR HURT.
I DON'T WANT THESE COMPANIES INTERFERING IN OUR ELECTIONS.
>> IT'S -- COMING DOWN TO THE WIRE IF YOU BELIEVE THE POLLS VOTERS OUT THERE.
SUPPORTERS OF EACH OF THESE CANDIDATES ARE HOPING FOR THESE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS?
>> I WOULD SAY TURN OUT MOST LIKELY.
WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS OVERALL.
THEY'RE UP FROM 2018 AND 2020.
BUT WE AREN'T SEEING AS MANY VOTERS, ABSENTEE BALLOT BOATERS IN FRANKLIN, HAMILTON.
IT MAY BE A PROBLEM FOR TIM RYAN, IF HE'S CAPTURING A LOT OF VOTERS WHO MAY TURN TO TRUMP.
BUT HE'S LOSING THAT BASE, THAT MOTIVATION TO GET THAT BASE UP IT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC.
AND I THINK FOR VANS, WE WANT HIS BASE TO COME HOME.
THEY WERE QUESTIONS IN THE PRIMARY ABOUT IS AUTHENTIC SUPPORT FOR TRUMP.
HE WON WITH WHAT, 30% OF THE VOTE IN THE SECOND PRIMARY.
I THINK THEY'RE BOTH TRYING TO GET THEIR PEOPLE TO THE POLLS IN THESE FINAL DAYS.
>> THE STRATEGY OF GOING ON FOX NEWS SO LATE.
IT'S A MORE AGGRESSIVE CROWD, MORE FOR TIM RYAN.
DO YOU THINK IT'S SERVED TO HIM WHILE, HE'S TRYING TO GET THOSE MODERATE, CONSERVATIVE VOTERS THEY DON'T LIKE DONALD TRUMP BUT STILL WATCH FOX NEWS?
WHAT'S THE STRATEGY?
>> CONGRESSMAN RYAN HAS RUN THE BETTER CAMPAIGN IN THIS RACE.
HE UNDERSTANDS THAT HE'S GONNA HAVE TO GET TO REPUBLICAN VOTERS, AND MODERATE VOTERS, IT ONLY IN ORDER FOR HIM TO WIN THIS RACE ON TUESDAY.
NATURALLY, GOING TO FOX, GOING STRAIGHT TO VOTERS THAT ARE MOSTLY REPUBLICAN AND MODERATE, MODERATE REPUBLICAN.
-- SO, THAT'S THE REASON WHY HE WENT ON.
>> JAKE DOES J.D.
VANCE USE THAT ALSO, TO CALL QUESTIONS THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE ABOUT HIM?
>> YEAH, I UNDERSTOOD WHY THEY BOTH WANTED TO DO THIS.
BUT I FEEL THAT JT PROBABLY GOT THE BETTER END OF THE BARGAIN.
I THINK TIM RYAN, I GET THE STRATEGY, BUT YOU JUST POINTED OUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE STRATEGY THE MORE HE TRIES TO APPEAL TO QUOTE UNQUOTE, WATER OR PUBLIC ENDS.
THE MORE HE'S NOT EXTENDING HIS BASE AT ALL.
THERE IS A BIG PROBLEM WITH URBAN VOTING HERE IN OHIO.
IT'S NOT AT THE LEVEL THAT THEY SAW BOTH IN 2020 AND 2018.
>> THE SUBURBAN EARLY VOTING IS UP -- FOR CINCINNATI.
IF THAT WHERE THE URBAN VOTE IT MIGHT BE GETTING MADE UP FOR THE DEMOCRAT?
>> IT MIGHT, IT'S GETTING PRETTY HARD TO THE RIGHT RIGHT NOW OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS I'VE SEEN.
AND SO, INTERESTING THAT THE ECONOMY JUST REALLY SURGED AS AN ISSUE HERE AT THE END AFTER A WHOLE SUMMER OF TALKING ABOUT THE DOBBS DECISION, AND ABORTION.
WE AREN'T SEEING TOO SUPER HIGH INDICATIONS THAT YOUNG PEOPLE, YOUNG WOMEN IN PARTICULAR, ARE COMING OUT IN ANY GREATER NUMBERS THAN THEY DID LAST TIME.
THE TURNOUT ISSUE, IS A BIGGIE.
WILL THEY COME OUT, WHAT WILL MOTIVATE THEM.
>> THERE IS CONCERN AFTER TIM RYAN SPENT A LOT OF MONEY OVER THE SUMMER ON ADS.
BUT HE STILL GOT A LOT OF ADS RUNNING.
>> HE'S NOT GETTING NATIONAL SUPPORT, HE'S RAISED $48 MILLION, DOUBLE WHAT -- FOUR YEARS AGO.
>> YEAH, I THINK HIS CAMPAIGN, EVEN IF HE LOSES A TESTAMENT TO THE WAY THAT DEMOCRATS ARE RIGHT NOW IN THE STATE OF OHIO.
HE'S GONE TOWARDS THE MIDDLE, HE'S POLLING SHOWS HIM WHAT 15 POINTS AHEAD OF NAN WHALEY, TEN POINTS AHEAD OF OUR WHO'S THE CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR?
THE THING THAT ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, LOOK, DONALD TRUMP WON OHIO BY EIGHT POINTS.
AND HE DID IT AGAIN IN 2020.
AND EVEN IF TIM RYAN GOT SIX OR SEVEN POINTS BETTER THAN THAT.
I THINK IT'S A WIN.
BUT STILL, HE WON'T BE OUR SENATOR.
>> -- LIZ CHENEY SORT OF ENDORSED TIM RYAN THIS WEEK.
-- WHO YOU'D VOTE FOR.
ARE SHE SAID, TIM RYAN.
BUT MIKE DEWINE, WILL IT HAVE ANY IMPACT YOU?
THINK >> WELL, SHE'S NOT FROM OHIO.
SHE'S A NATIONAL FIGURE.
I THINK THAT THE MERE FACT IS THAT SHE SAID SHE'D VOTE FOR TIM RYAN, IT'S TELLING.
THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF VOTERS ARE LOOKING AT IN THE STATE OF OHIO.
THE MERE FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP HAD TO COME TO OHIO ON MONDAY TO SELL HIS CANDIDATE, SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING.
J.D.
VANCE HAS RUN A TERRIBLE CAMPAIGN.
THERE'S NO IFS, ANDS, OR BUTS ABOUT IT.
HE HAS TO RELY ON SOMEONE THAT HE'S CRITICIZE IN THE PAST TO COME BAIL HIM OUT.
>> THE ONLY THING ABOUT OHIO, BOB, -- I'M LOOKING AT THE GEOGRAPHY OF THE BULLS.
J.D.
VANCE STILL HAS A WIDE LEAD THERE.
TIM RYAN STILL HAS A WIDELY.
J.D.
VANCE IS LIKE 30 TO 35%.
IS THAT ENOUGH SUPPORT FOR J.D.
VANCE UP THERE TO WIN?
>> YEAH, THE SAME POLLS ALSO SHOW THAT HE'S UP ON TIM RYAN.
SO, IT'S ENOUGH.
BUT THAT'S THE POINT OF PRESIDENT TRUMP COMING IN.
THE AREAS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP DOES THE BOSTON, IS THE MAHONEY VALLEY, TRUMBULL COUNTY -- THE LIZ CHENEY ENDORSEMENT, WHATEVER HOPE TIM RYAN HAD OF GETTING TRUMP VOTERS WENT AWAY WITH THAT ENDORSEMENT.
SO ALL THE MONEY HE SPENT PRAISING DONALD TRUMP, TALKING ABOUT HOW HE AGREES WITH DONALD TRUMP ON THINGS, WENT AWAY WHEN CHENEY ENDORSED.
THEM >> A LOT OF MODERATE RECALL REPUBLICANS LOVE LIZ CHENEY AND WHAT SHE'S DOING WITH THE JANUARY SIX COMMISSION.
>> SURE, BUT THEY WERE NEVER GONNA VOTE TO VOTE WITH JD VANCE, IF THEY'RE AGREEING WITH HER ON THE JANUARY SIX COMMITTEE.
RYAN HAS GONE AFTER THE HARD-CORE TRUMP SUPPORTERS.
I GOT, IT HE NEEDS TO IF HE WANTS TO WIN.
BUT I THINK THINGS LIKE LIZ CHENEY ENDORSING HIM, CAUSES PROBLEMS.
>> THE RACE FOR OHIO GOVERNOR 2022 WILL BE LONG REMEMBERED.
NO DEBATE, NOT MUCH CAMPAIGNING BY THE INCUMBENT CHALLENGER, LACKED FINANCIAL SUPPORTS AND PUT UP A TOUGH FIGHT.
UNLESS THE POLLS ARE COMPLETELY -- MIKE DEWINE WILL WIN A SECOND TURN AS GOVERNOR.
IF HE CONTINUES TO LEAD GOVERNOR NAN WHALEY BY 20 POINTS IN THE LATEST POLL.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS CAMPAIGN, WHAT'S HAPPENED, AND NAN WHALEY WINNING THE PRIMARY, AND TRYING TO COMPETE WITH THE INCUMBENT POPULAR GOVERNOR.
IS THERE ANYTHING SHE COULD'VE DONE DIFFERENTLY, ANYTHING OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY COULD'VE DONE DIFFERENTLY TO MAKE THIS MORE COMPETITIVE?
>> WELL, THE DISADVANTAGE THAT NAN WHALEY HAD COMING IN, AS A SITTING GOVERNOR THAT'S BEEN ON THE BALLOT FOR DECADES.
SO, THERE NAME RECOGNITION, SHE'S RUN FOR JUST ABOUT EVERY OFFICE YOU CAN RUN FOR IN THE STATE OF OHIO.
AT A LOT OF ITS, HE'S WON THOSE RACES.
SO, THE MOMENTUM THAT HE PICKED UP WITH INTEL, HONDA, AND SOME OF THE MORE RECENT THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE STATE.
IT MADE IT DIFFICULT FOR NAN WHALEY.
.
WHO'S BEEN A GREAT GOVERNOR, A GREAT MAYOR -- [laughs] A GREAT MAYOR FOR THE CITY OF DAYTON.
>> IS THERE ANY MONDAY MORNING -- AFTER THE GAME AT.
AMONG DEMOCRATS ABOUT WHAT COULD'VE BEEN DONE DIFFERENTLY?
>> YEAH, I THINK MONEY IS NEEDED TO DO THINGS LIKE FOR EXAMPLE DEFEND HER RECORD IN DAYTON.
MONEY IS NEEDED TO POINT OUT THAT -- MADE PROMISES ON GUN CONTROL THAT HE DID NOT FOLLOW THROUGH WITH.
AND THAT HE WASN'T ABLE TO WORK WITH HIS OWN REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE ON.
SHE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE ANY OF THOSE ARGUMENTS.
SHE HASN'T FOCUSED HEAVILY ON HIM NOT BILLING ABLE TO DEBATER.
WHICH SEEMS LIKE WHO KNOWS WHO WOULD'VE WON THE DEBATE.
IT FELT LIKE THAT WENT ON A LITTLE LONG.
AND OF COURSE, SHE BANKED ON THE ABORTION ISSUE.
SHE'S THE FIRST WOMAN MAYOR PYOTR NOMINEE FOR GOVERNOR.
AND AS WE WERE JUST TALKING, THAT ISSUE WE DON'T KNOW YET, BUT IT'S SORT OF AB HERE IN THE FINAL THRONG.
AND MAYBE IT NEEDED TO HAVE MORE DIVERSE MESSAGES.
>> IT WON'T BE LONG REMEMBERED.
IT'S THE FIRST WOMAN TO RUN A MAJOR PARTY TICKET FOR GOVERNOR.
>> IT'S HISTORIC HERE IN OHIO.
>> BUT NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE BAILOUT SCANDAL.
I THINK DEMOCRATS ARE HOPING FOR THAT 60-DAY WINDOW APPROACH WHEN THE FEDS DON'T REALLY -- BEFORE AN ELECTION, THAT WINDOW CLOSE RIGHT THERE.
>> YEAH, THE FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER, LARRY HOUSEHOLDER, IS IT ON TRIAL INTO JANUARY.
WE MAY GET MORE INFORMATION THAN, INFORMATION THAT MAY AFFECT -- IN HIS POTENTIAL BID TO BE GOVERNOR, FOUR YEARS AFTER MIKE DEWINE, NOT TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT GUBERNATORIAL ELECTION.
AND A LOT OF, WAYS THINGS HAVE BROKEN FOR -- IN TALKING TO VOTERS IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, WHAT WE REALLY HEARD IS THAT EVEN THE DEMOCRATS WERE VOTING FOR WHALEY, LIKE THE WAY THAT THE GOVERNOR HANDLE COVID, HE'S UP 20 POINTS WITH INDEPENDENTS HE'S PICKING UP MODERATE DEMOCRATS AND I THINK A LOT OF IT IS THAT PEOPLE HAVE EXCEPT THIS WARM, FUZZY PLANNING OF GRANDPA DEWINE, DURING THE PANDEMIC.
>> -- OHIO'S LOST JOBS IN OTHER AREAS.
UNEMPLOYMENT'S HIGHER.
I THINK IT'S THE COVID, HE WAS ON TV FOR EVERY DAY FOR ALMOST A YEAR.
BUT REMEMBER, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD FOR THE GOVERNOR.
-- >> AND HE HAD A PRIMARY SITUATION WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH BECAUSE OF THAT.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, HE DID DO A GOOD JOB.
AND PEOPLE RECOGNIZE.
THAT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT NAN WHALEY IN THIS RACE.
IS THAT SHE SOUNDS LIKE A DEMOCRAT.
AND LET'S GIVE HER CREDIT, SHE IS A DEMOCRAT.
SHE SHOULD SOUND LIKE A DEMOCRAT.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER STATEWIDE RACE FOR THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO LOOK LIKE A REPUBLICAN.
AND YOU SEE THAT RACE IS CLOSER.
THAT IT MAY BE A HINT THAT DEMOCRATS, IF YOU WANT TO RUN IN OHIO, YOU GOTTA TRY TO BE A REPUBLICAN OR LOOK LIKE A REPUBLICAN IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CHANCE OF WINNING.
>> NATURALLY, DEMOCRATS ARE GETTING CRITICISM FOR NOT FOCUSING ON ONE ISSUE.
THAT THERE'S A SHOTGUN APPROACH, ABORTION, THREATS TO DEMOCRACY, INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, ALL THE JOBS THAT CREATED.
SHOULD NAN WHALEY HAVE PICKED ONE, WHETHER IT'S THE DUKE AND BAILOUT SANDAL, ABORTION, OR STUCK WITH THAT?
>> THERE IS ISSUES THAT EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTRIES TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK NAN WHALEY NEEDS TALK ABOUT ISSUES THAT WERE MAYBE UNCOMFORTABLE FOR THE GOVERNOR.
SO, HE WOULD ACTUALLY ENGAGE.
WITH EVERYBODY TALKING ABOUT ABORTION, EVERYBODY TALKING ABOUT INFLATION, WERE ALL AFFECTED BY IT.
BUT OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT MAY NOT BE AS COMFORTABLE FOR THE GOVERNOR, THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE TALKED ABOUT.
>> MONEY TO WRITE ADS, -- ANYWAY, THE HOUSE WHY SUPREME COURT'S THE MAIN CONTESTS TO WATCH, THE UP COMING COULD -- DISTRICTS ARE DRAWN.
AND WHETHER ABORTION REMAINS LEGAL IN OHIO.
DEMOCRATS HAVE TO THE THREE RACES TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE COURT.
THE CONTEST FOR CHIEF JUSTICE REMAINS BASICALLY TIED.
-- I FOUR HOUSE REPUBLICAN SHARING CANDIDATE WITH A ONE POINT LEAD OVER JENNIFER BRUNNER, THE OTHER TWO RACES FEATURE TWO INCUMBENT REPUBLICANS NAMED PAT.
PAT FISCHER, STATE TERRI JAMISON, AND PAT DEWINE THE GOVERNOR SON, FACES STATE APPEALS COURT JUDGE OF MARYLAND.
JULIE CAR SMITH, HAS THE ARE UNDER HER NAME.
JENNIFER BRUNNER HAS THE BETTER NAME I.D..
WHICH WILL PREVAIL?
>> IT'S REALLY INTERESTING.
CANADA IS A GREAT POLITICAL NAME OBVIOUSLY FOR PEOPLE.
THAT COULD HAVE HELPED HER AMONG DEMOCRATS IN THE PAST.
WHO THOUGHT SHE WAS A DEMOCRAT.
AND SO, THE PARTY LABEL IS AN UNKNOWN RIGHT NOW.
JENNIFER BRUNNER IT IS THE BETTER KNOWN NAME.
IT MIGHT BE ONE OF THE FEW NAMES PEOPLE RECOGNIZE IN THAT RACE THIS YEAR.
MAYBE PEOPLE WILL RECOGNIZE DEWINE, BUT I THINK THAT'S PLAYING IN.
AND OF COURSE THE FACTOR THEY'RE BOTH WOMEN, HAVE NEUTRAL THAT ISSUE, I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S AS CLOSE AS IT IS.
>> YEAH, AND PAST SUPREME COURT RACES, CANDIDATES NEVER WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO RULE.
THAT'S WHY THEY SEEM TO HAVE LOWER THEIR GUARD A BIT.
I MEAN, RECITING PAST DECISIONS THEY MADE ON THE ABORTION, REDISTRICTING, BAIL REFORM.
I THINK THEY'RE TAKING MORE OF A CHANCE THIS YEAR.
>> YEAH, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING WHEN I THINK ABOUT OHIO.
THE VOTER GUIDE AND WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT WHERE SOME OF THESE INJUSTICE IT ON THE ISSUE OF ABORTION.
PARTICULARLY, BECAUSE OF THE CASE NOW AND HAMILTON COUNTY.
ULTIMATELY WE KNOW WHERE THAT CASE IS HEADED.
I REALLY, I DON'T THINK NONE OF THEM HAVE OBVIOUSLY EXPLICITLY COME OUT AND SAID, THIS -- THIS IS HOW I'M GOING TO RULE.
BUT IT WILL BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE.
AND A MAJORITY OF THE COURT'S CATHOLIC.
WHETHER THAT'S GOING TO FACTOR INTO HOW THIS COMES OUT.
>> THE PARTY IDENTIFICATION ON THE BALLOTS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN JUDICIAL RACES.
GOOD NEWS OR BAD NEWS FOR DEMOCRATS?
>> I THINK IT'S BAD NEWS FOR PEOPLE IN GENERAL.
FOR DEMOCRACY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE OF PARTY LABELS ON JUDICIARY.
BECAUSE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FAIR AND BALANCE WHEN YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS THAT AFFECT PEOPLE.
AND NOW, PEOPLE ARE VOTING BASED ON THEIR PARTY AFFILIATIONS.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PLACE FOR THAT.
>> TO GIVE VOTERS MORE INFORMATION ON WHERE, AS JULIE MENTIONED, DEMOCRATS HAVE THEY THOUGHT KENNEDY WAS A DEMOCRAT.
NOW THEY KNOW.
HE'S REPUBLICAN.
>> WELL, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK WHEN THE SUPREME COURT LOST TWO RACES A FEW YEARS AGO TO DEMOCRATS.
THAT'S WHEN THIS PARTY AFFILIATION THING POPPED UP.
REPUBLICANS ARE LEGALIZING THAT THEY WERE LOSING SEATS ON THE COURT.
IF THE COURTS BEEN POLITICIZED BY THE REPUBLICANS, THERE IS NO PLACE FOR.
AT >> -- IT'S THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE.
THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE, THE U.S. SENATE RACE, AND OTHER RACES.
MAYBE NOT IN THE SUPREME COURT RACE.
HOW MUCH OF A FACTOR WILL IMPOSSIBLE ABORTION CASE BE IN THIS RACE, HOW MUCH WILL BE DISTRACTING CHAOS BE A FACTOR IN THESE RACES?
>> TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST.
I DON'T THINK THEY WILL HAVE, THEY WON'T FACTOR IN.
A SUPREME COURT RACES ARE IN THE AFFECTED MOST BY TURN OUT.
AND TURNOUT FOR THE TOP OF THE TICKET.
HOW THOSE ISSUES AFFECT THE TOP OF THE TICKET RACES, WILL TRICKLE DOWN AND AFFECT THE SUPREME COURT RACES.
BUT WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ABORTION ISSUE.
NO MATTER WHICH SIDE YOU'RE ON, IF YOU'RE HARD-CORE PROBATION OR PRO-LIFE, YOU'RE GONNA VOTE, AND YOU'RE GONNA KNOW WHICH ONES ARE WEDGE.
I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING ANYBODY IN THE MIDDLE THINKING, OH, HOW DO I GO -- IT'S GONNA BE AFFECTED BY TURNOUT.
>> YEAH, FURTHER DOWN ON THE BALLOT.
WE TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT WHAT ERIC HAS SAID ABOUT CRITICIZING THE RACES.
WE WERE POLITICIZED EARLIER.
IN OHIO, WE HAD TO RUN IN THE PRIMARY AS THE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT.
AS A JUDGE.
BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN GET TO THE GENERAL BALLOT, GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT.
SO, YOU ALREADY ARE POLITICIZED.
IT SHOWS THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE PARTY LABEL ON YOU, THAT'S.
IT >> JULIE, YOU TALK TO FOLKS, THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT PAT DEWINE AND MIKE DEWINE, HE ANGERED REPUBLICANS BECAUSE OF THE COVID POLICY.
WILL THAT HURT PATH?
>> I THINK IT'LL HELP.
I'M MORE PEOPLE IN COURT RACES AREN'T LOOKING FOR ANYTHING THAT THEY RECOGNIZE IN MY EXPERIENCE.
THEY DON'T PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION.
THERE'S A REAL WORRY THAT PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA STICK IN THE BOOTH LONG ENOUGH TO VOTE ALL THE WAY DOWN THE TICKET.
>> THE QUESTION, THE SUPREME COURT RACES ARE SPLIT UP, TOP OF THE BALLOT.
THERE FURTHER UP THIS TIME.
OR LESS LIKELY TO PERFECT FORGET THEM PERHAPS?
>> MAYBE SLIGHTLY LESS DROP OFF.
BUT I THINK THERE IS A BIG DROP OFF ONCE YOU GET PAST GOVERNOR.
IT DROPS OFF.
>> PEOPLE HAVE PLACES TO GO.
[laughs] [inaudible] >> PEOPLE JUST START KNOWING, THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY CAN MAKE A DECISION.
ESPECIALLY BEFORE THEY HAD PARTY AFFILIATION.
I'M GONNA BE REALLY CURIOUS TO SEE IF THAT BRINGS THAT BUMP UP.
OR THEY FEEL LIKE NOW I KNOW SOMETHING, OR FOR POLITICAL PARTY -- TO FEEL COMFORTABLE VOTING.
>> IS THAT THE SPLIT DECISION, DOES WHAT THEY SAY JENNIFER BRUNNER WHEN, IN ORDER THE TWO PATHS WHEN, DOES EACH PARTY SLEEP ALL THREE, WHAT HAPPENS HERE?
>> I THINK, IT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WHATEVER PARTY WINS WILL WIN ALL THREE.
AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY PEOPLE VOTE I THINK.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT WHATEVER PARTY WINS, ALL THREE OF THOSE JUDGES WILL WIN.
>> AND WILL THEY FOLLOW -- THOSE OF THE TWO NAMES THAT PEOPLE RECOGNIZE SYMBOLICALLY ARE REAL.
>> WE DON'T HAVE SPLIT TICKET VOTING MUCH ANYMORE IN THIS COUNTRY.
ALL OVER.
>> OF COURSE THERE IS A LOT OF NOMINATIONS ON THE BALLOT.
A FEW OF THOSE ARE CONTESTED.
STATEWIDE OFFICES, NOT AS COMPETITIVE.
STATE AND HOUSE RACES, BALLOT ISSUES AND BAIL REFORM AND NON CITIZEN VOTING.
IN SOME WAYS THIS IS A STANDARD MIDTERM ELECTION.
THE PARTY THAT JUST WON THE WHITE HOUSE, IS ON THE DEFENSIVE.
BUT POLARIZING ISSUES LIKE ABORTION AND THREATS TO DEMOCRACY ARE MOTIVATING FACTORS.
BUT, YOU'VE ENJOYED RIDE WAYS IN THE PAST, YOU HAVE BLUE WAVES IN THE PAST?
>> SURE.
HAVE >> WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR TO FIND OUT, I THINK YOU'LL BE RED LOW TIDE WAVE.
WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?
>> I THINK WHEN YOU ARE TALKING CONGRESSIONAL RACES WE HAVE TWO RACES HERE IN OHIO THAT I THINK WE ARE PRETTY CLOSE.
THAT'S DOWN IN CINCINNATI, IT'S -- THAT DISTRICT CHANGED, WE MUCH LESS REPUBLICAN THAN IT USED TO BE.
IN FACT, IT'S A BIDEN DISTRICT.
NOW PRESIDENT BIDEN CARRIED IT.
THE OTHER ONES AN OPEN SEAT UP IN THE AKRON AREA.
AND, BOTH PARTIES HAVE DUBBED A LOT OF MONEY IN THOSE RACES.
IT TELLS YOU THAT THEY'RE CLOSE.
I THINK WHATEVER WRAY LAYS THE -- MIGHT TELL US HOW THINGS ARE NOT ONLY HERE IN OHIO BUT NATIONALLY.
>> DERRICK, YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE.
WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?
>> WELL, TO BOB'S POINT, DAVE, THE ACCURACY, CONGRESSIONAL SEATS GONNA BE INTERESTING.
YOU HAVE -- WHOSE FAMILY'S BEEN ON THE BALLOT FOR 40 YEARS.
AND SHE'S A FORMER MINORITY LEADER HERE IN THE HOUSE.
AND STEVE SHABBAT IS GONNA BE INTERESTING.
STEVE SHABBAT IT IS HUNG ON TO THOSE CONGRESSIONAL SEATS.
THEY'VE GOTTEN REAL CLOSE, HE'S ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO HANG ON TO WE'LL SEE IF YOU BE ABLE TO DO AT THIS.
TIME >> REPORTERS, JULIE, ANY PARTICULAR RACE, GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT?
>> I'M GOING TO BE FASCINATED BY REPUBLICAN TURNOUT.
BECAUSE, NATIONALLY, WE'VE HAS PREDICTED -- THAT IN OHIO, YOU ARE LOOKING AT PEOPLE WHO POSSIBLY, THEY'RE LOOKING AT A TIGHT SENATE RACE.
THAT REALLY EITHER LIKE OUR DON'T CARE WHICH CANDIDATE WINS.
AND OUR RUNAWAY GOVERNORS RAISED.
DO THEY STAY HOME, DO THEY STILL SHOW UP, I'M FASCINATED BY THAT.
AND A FEW OTHER THINGS, I'LL STOP THERE.
>> I'M GONNA BE LOOKING A LOT OF THE COLLAR COUNTIES.
-- BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS THIS CHANGE IN UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHO'S IN A DEMOCRATIC PARTY, AND WHO'S IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
THAT'S COLUMBUS, THAT CENTRAL OHIO AREA GROWS.
BUT IS DELAWARE BLING, IS NOT THE FUTURE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN OHIO, TRADITIONALLY A HIGH WAS BEEN A SWING STATE.
WE'VE HAD BLUE COLLAR, HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATED, UNION DEMOCRATS.
AND THEY SEEM TO BE FADING.
IT SEEMS TO BE GOING TO THE REPUBLICAN.
BUT COULD THE FUTURE OF OHIO AS A SWING STATE BE IN THAT HIGH TECH CENTRAL HYDRO CORRIDOR?
>> -- THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TIM RYAN'S CAMPAIGN AND NAN WHALEY CAMPAIGN.
REGARDLESS, EVEN IF TIM RYAN LOSES, HE'S MADE THE RACE COMPETITIVE.
YOU SEE DEMOCRATS FOLLOWING THAT LEAD IN THEIR CAMPAIGNS?
>> YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO.
THIS IS A PURPLE STATE.
NOW I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IT'S ALL -- YOU HAVE MAJOR CITIES THAT ARE BLUE.
BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA RUN STATEWIDE, IF YOU'RE GONNA RUN A CONGRESSIONAL RACES.
YOU'RE DEFINITELY GONNA HAVE TO APPEAL TO MODERATE REPUBLICAN VOTERS AND REPUBLICAN VOTERS.
IF YOU WANT TO BE COMPETITIVE.
>> POLARIZATION BOB, BETTER, WORSE?
>> THE SAME.
[laughs] >> YOU CAN SAY MAYBE IT'S BETTER, MAYBE IT'S WORSE.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY POLARIZED.
>> WE'RE IN A START TALKING ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE ON WEDNESDAY MORNING I'M SURE.
>> RON DESANTIS IS ALREADY RUNNING NATIONAL LADS.
ANYWAY, LET'S GET TO OUR FINAL OFF-THE-RECORD SHOTS.
BOB, LET'S START WITH YOU?
>> I SEE A RED WAVE COMING.
I THINK REPUBLICANS WILL WIN EVERYTHING STATEWIDE HERE IN OHIO INCLUDING COURT RACES.
I THINK WE NATURALLY GET CONTROL THE HOUSE.
AND THE SENATE.
>> DEREK?
>> WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE STATEWIDE RACES, BUT THERE'S A LOCAL RACE HERE THAT FOLKS SHOULD BE WATCHING, WHICH IS -- AN MACHELLE SENATE RACE.
IT'S GONNA BE ONE THAT'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE CLOSE.
>> ANNA?
>> SPEAKING OF STATE HOUSE RACES, THAT RACE IS GONNA BE GETTING UGLY.
THERE'S ONE DOWN IN CINCINNATI THAT'S GETTING WEIRD AND UGLY.
SO, ALL POLITICS ARE LOCAL, AND SOMETIMES THE CRAZY STORIES COME FROM THE SMALLEST RACES.
THESE HAVE ACCUSATIONS OF ANTI SIN ANTISEMITISM, IF PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN MINNESOTA OR OHIO.
-- THEY'RE JUST -- THEIR WILD.
>> AND?
JULIE >> WELL, AS BOB SAID, WE DON'T SEE TICKETS SPLITTING ANYMORE IN OHIO.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE WILL.
WE'LL SEE A LOT OF DEMOCRATS GO FOR THE LINE.
A LOT OF DEMOCRATS VOTE FOR RYAN.
AND WE MAYBE LOOK TO AGAIN NATURALLY AS A STATE AND SETTING TRENDS THAT ARE WORTH WATCHING.
>> THE SUCCESS OF SPIRITED CANDIDATES -- SAYS THAT CANDIDATES 5 TO 7 POINTS IN ELECTION IN THIS DAY OF HIPSTERS.
I'M NOT SURE IT'S VULTURE, LIVE TO SEE IF J.D.
VANCE -- HELPS OR HURTS A.
IT MIGHT BE AN EXISTENTIAL QUESTION FOR LOCKERS.
>> BE SURE TO WATCH -- ALSO, AT -- WE'LL BE BACK RIGHT HERE NEXT WEEK TO ANALYZE WHAT HAPPENS.
AND THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION, WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 9TH, WILL MODERATE THE MASS CHAPTER IN THE DEMOCRACY IN CRISIS SERIES.
WE'RE JOINED WITH THE COLUMBUS CLUB, A PANEL OF EXPERTS AND I WILL LOOK AT THE ELECTION RESULTS, AND WHAT THEY MIGHT MEAN FOR OUR DEMOCRACY.
PLEASE JOIN US, FOR MORE INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE WOSU.ORG/EVENTS.
THAT'LL DO IT FOR COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD, FOR THIS WEEK.
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-- AND OUR PANEL, I'M MIKE