WEBVTT 00:01.400 --> 00:03.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Voiceover] Civic Summit is made possible in part by, 00:03.366 --> 00:05.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Texas Mutual Insurance. 00:05.033 --> 00:06.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Providing workers' compensation 00:06.533 --> 00:09.366 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% for Texas employers. 00:10.033 --> 00:12.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (instrumental music) 00:26.133 --> 00:29.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% (audience clapping) 00:30.700 --> 00:32.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Hello, and thanks for joining us. 00:32.600 --> 00:34.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I'm Esther Chung Martin, Executive Director 00:34.766 --> 00:37.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of the Asian American Resource Center Nonprofit. 00:37.866 --> 00:40.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Civic Summit is focused on engaging citizens 00:40.166 --> 00:42.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% around issues and opportunities 00:42.166 --> 00:44.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that arise from Austin's rapid growth. 00:44.733 --> 00:47.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And tonight, we'll discuss this city's fastest 00:47.133 --> 00:50.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% growing ethnic group, Asian Americans. 00:50.033 --> 00:53.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% We come from many different countries and cultures, 00:53.100 --> 00:56.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and are presented with unique challenges in our city. 00:56.166 --> 00:57.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Tonight we'll discuss those challenges 00:57.933 --> 01:00.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and also highlight the wonderful contributions 01:00.400 --> 01:03.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% this community is making to Central Texas. 01:03.433 --> 01:05.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Joining me for tonight's discussion, 01:05.533 --> 01:08.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Dr. Snehal Shingavi, Associate Professor 01:08.366 --> 01:10.533 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% of English at UT Austin. 01:10.533 --> 01:11.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Linda Phan, Executive Director 01:11.966 --> 01:14.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of the Asian Family Supports Services of Austin 01:14.600 --> 01:16.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and Commissioner for the White House Commission 01:16.766 --> 01:19.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% on Asian American and Pacific Islanders. 01:19.066 --> 01:21.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Richard Jung, Chair of the Asian American 01:21.100 --> 01:22.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Quality of Life Commission. 01:22.600 --> 01:25.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And Dr. Vagdevi Meunier, Licensed Clinical Psychologist 01:25.833 --> 01:28.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and the founder of Center for Relationships 01:28.033 --> 01:29.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% at Austin, Texas. 01:29.666 --> 01:31.466 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% Thanks to all of you for being here. 01:31.466 --> 01:34.066 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% When people think of Asian Americans in Austin, 01:34.066 --> 01:36.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% they may not realize how many countries of origins 01:36.833 --> 01:38.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% fall under that category. 01:38.966 --> 01:41.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% To start out our discussion, 01:41.433 --> 01:44.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% can each of you tell us a fact about people 01:44.233 --> 01:48.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% may not know about Austin's Asian American population. 01:48.766 --> 01:50.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Not just the sheer variety of places 01:50.800 --> 01:52.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that Asian Americans come from, 01:52.633 --> 01:55.066 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% but I think that most people 01:55.066 --> 01:58.066 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% don't think of Asian Americans both as 01:58.066 --> 02:01.566 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% aggregate groups and as disaggregated groups that, 02:01.566 --> 02:03.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% it's funny, we all come from different countries 02:03.400 --> 02:05.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and different places, but in the United States 02:05.533 --> 02:08.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we've become Asians, despite the fact that 02:08.033 --> 02:10.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we'd be coming from other national or social 02:10.566 --> 02:13.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% or cultural context in which we would see each other 02:13.233 --> 02:15.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% as different, rather than together. 02:15.466 --> 02:16.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So one of the really interesting things about 02:16.966 --> 02:18.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the United States is it offers people 02:18.933 --> 02:22.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% opportunities to reinvent their own identities. 02:22.433 --> 02:24.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Forge alliances, build communities in ways that 02:24.433 --> 02:26.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% they wouldn't otherwise do. 02:26.500 --> 02:29.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I don't know if it's a fun fact but 02:29.666 --> 02:31.966 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% you know, I think our communities are allotted 02:31.966 --> 02:35.100 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% for academic and economic achievements. 02:35.100 --> 02:36.933 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% However... 02:39.566 --> 02:42.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% a fact for our community is that 02:42.266 --> 02:44.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we have very high rates of poverty. 02:44.866 --> 02:48.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And our rates of poverty are actually higher 02:48.200 --> 02:50.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% than non-Hispanic whites. 02:50.366 --> 02:53.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% In certain populations, subpopulations, 02:54.300 --> 02:57.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we have the highest rates of poverty. 02:57.300 --> 03:01.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And this is something that a lot of members 03:01.600 --> 03:04.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of our society may not be aware of. 03:04.366 --> 03:07.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And later we'll talk about the model minority myth, 03:07.666 --> 03:10.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% but and that's a part of that. 03:10.633 --> 03:12.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - [Esther] Great. 03:12.500 --> 03:15.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Richard] Well, you know, I think Austinites, 03:15.833 --> 03:18.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% many Austinites often view the Asian community as 03:18.700 --> 03:22.400 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% recently arrived, you know, last 10 years, 20 years, 03:22.400 --> 03:24.833 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% we've seen this explosion but there are pockets 03:24.833 --> 03:26.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of Asian communities that have been in Austin 03:26.900 --> 03:29.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% for much longer periods of time, and in areas 03:29.900 --> 03:33.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that may be unexpected for a lot of Austinites. 03:33.433 --> 03:37.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% In Southeast Austin, in Del Valle areas, 03:37.033 --> 03:39.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% there's been a strong and vibrant Thai community 03:39.300 --> 03:40.833 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% for a very long time. 03:40.833 --> 03:43.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% There are houses of religious worship, 03:43.333 --> 03:47.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% there're pockets of Chinese residents in East Austin. 03:47.166 --> 03:48.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They've been there for a really long time. 03:48.433 --> 03:52.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So, you know, I think it all ties into the fact 03:52.166 --> 03:56.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that there's just a lack of familiarity with 03:56.033 --> 03:59.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% who constitutes our communities and where they live, 03:59.466 --> 04:02.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and what they do, and there're surprising things 04:02.766 --> 04:07.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that hopefully we'll talk a lot more about tonight. 04:07.533 --> 04:10.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Dr. Vagdevi] I would say, one fun fact is that 04:10.600 --> 04:14.133 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% the idea of the tiger parent, is a myth. 04:14.133 --> 04:18.266 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% That in general, Asian parents are actually more supportive 04:18.266 --> 04:21.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and Asian teenagers tend to rebel less 04:21.300 --> 04:25.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% than teenagers from other ethnic minorities. 04:25.000 --> 04:26.600 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - [Esther] Great. 04:26.600 --> 04:28.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Well, thank you for those comments. 04:28.600 --> 04:31.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We'll get to a lot of these in a deeper way, 04:31.366 --> 04:33.033 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% as we progress. 04:33.033 --> 04:36.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So we've just talked about how diverse 04:36.066 --> 04:38.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the Asian American population here, in Austin is. 04:38.766 --> 04:40.666 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% What are some misconceptions 04:40.666 --> 04:42.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and how did they lead to prejudices 04:42.500 --> 04:43.833 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% against this population? 04:43.833 --> 04:46.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And I'm gonna start this off with Richard. 04:46.633 --> 04:50.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Well, I think a lot of the misconceptions have to do 04:51.700 --> 04:54.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% with this view of a monolithic 04:54.133 --> 04:58.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Asian community, personality, culture. 04:58.133 --> 05:01.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And if you are Asian or Asian American, 05:01.700 --> 05:04.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you know that's just absolutely not true. 05:04.900 --> 05:07.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% For instance, there are multiple houses of worship 05:07.333 --> 05:10.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in Austin for different communities. 05:10.100 --> 05:12.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% There're recently, there've been large 05:12.233 --> 05:14.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Hindu temples going up in Austin. 05:14.700 --> 05:17.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% There are mosques that are here. 05:17.933 --> 05:19.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% There are Christian churches. 05:19.900 --> 05:22.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% There're lots of different cultures 05:22.233 --> 05:25.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that are just thriving but people tend to 05:25.900 --> 05:28.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% lump Asian Americans into one group, 05:28.133 --> 05:30.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% particularly when looking at us through 05:30.633 --> 05:34.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% an economic lens, or in terms of education, 05:34.466 --> 05:37.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% all high-achieving, you know, high-dollar earning, 05:37.100 --> 05:40.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and that's a real detriment to the many members 05:40.366 --> 05:43.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of our communities who may be refugees, 05:43.800 --> 05:46.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% who have a lower standard of income here, 05:46.933 --> 05:49.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and who are struggling to make it, 05:49.200 --> 05:52.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and compound that with language barriers they may have, 05:52.466 --> 05:55.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and that prevents them from getting access, 05:55.033 --> 05:58.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% because this perception that everything is going so well 05:58.033 --> 06:02.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% for the Asian living in Austin, prevents us from 06:02.300 --> 06:04.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% really looking at the details and seeing 06:04.166 --> 06:06.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that there are families that just don't have access 06:06.866 --> 06:10.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% to health care, or help with education for their children, 06:10.866 --> 06:12.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% on so many fronts, and I know we'll discuss that 06:12.866 --> 06:15.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% a lot more as we go forward. 06:15.133 --> 06:16.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - [Esther] Right. 06:16.400 --> 06:17.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Linda] And there's just multiple barriers 06:17.900 --> 06:20.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to access, who, you know, I think for us, 06:20.133 --> 06:23.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% it's just a really an issue of access to services. 06:23.966 --> 06:26.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Whether, in any sphere, you know, 06:26.033 --> 06:28.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% whether it's in within the economic world 06:28.100 --> 06:30.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or social services, or in health care, 06:30.966 --> 06:33.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we have just seen so many barriers, 06:33.533 --> 06:36.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and a lot of times, when we live 06:36.266 --> 06:38.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% under this model minority myth that everything 06:38.500 --> 06:42.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% is okay, we forget, we forget. 06:42.233 --> 06:46.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And to an extent, the community itself does internalize 06:46.600 --> 06:49.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% that myth, and we-- 06:49.033 --> 06:51.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Tell me about that. What do you mean by that? 06:51.666 --> 06:53.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Linda] Well, I would say that, you know, 06:53.300 --> 06:54.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think there's a lot of pressure. 06:54.866 --> 06:57.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% There's a lot of pressure, when you have been tagged 06:57.333 --> 07:00.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% as the model minority, as a community 07:00.266 --> 07:01.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that's got it all together. 07:01.933 --> 07:04.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But when we have issues of mental health 07:04.666 --> 07:06.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that are not being addressed, when we have 07:06.900 --> 07:09.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% high rates of poverty, kids are not graduating 07:09.966 --> 07:13.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% from high school at the rates that we think they are. 07:13.366 --> 07:15.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Those things get swept under the rug, 07:15.600 --> 07:19.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and so, sometimes when we're tagged 07:19.233 --> 07:22.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% with a certain expectation, we try to live up to it. 07:22.766 --> 07:26.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And we may not talk about those problems 07:26.033 --> 07:27.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that we see in our communities, 07:27.766 --> 07:30.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and that turns into a problem where, 07:30.600 --> 07:33.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% ya know, government entities or those powers to be, 07:33.966 --> 07:36.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% when it comes to resources, so those resources 07:36.666 --> 07:40.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% may not go to some of these underserved communities. 07:40.600 --> 07:43.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - If I could just add to that, I think that 07:43.100 --> 07:46.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the history of migration of different Asian populations 07:46.333 --> 07:48.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% to the United States is 07:48.200 --> 07:49.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% quite for different context. 07:49.800 --> 07:53.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So, Indian Americans are allowed to come 07:53.200 --> 07:55.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to the United States after laws are passed 07:55.666 --> 07:59.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in 1965, which want there to be more 07:59.600 --> 08:02.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% high-tech in science, professionals working 08:02.333 --> 08:03.700 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% in the United States. 08:03.700 --> 08:05.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It changes the way a certain population looks. 08:05.233 --> 08:07.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We get a subsection of a nation, and that then 08:07.600 --> 08:09.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% speaks for the entire nation. 08:09.233 --> 08:10.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But that was a specific immigration law 08:10.933 --> 08:12.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that was done by the United States. 08:12.766 --> 08:14.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Similarly, I think that people forget the, 08:14.833 --> 08:19.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you know, military adventures that were conducted in Asia, 08:20.000 --> 08:22.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% effected the inflow of refugee populations 08:22.533 --> 08:23.700 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% into the United States. 08:23.700 --> 08:25.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Not everybody came here as a high achiever 08:25.366 --> 08:26.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and you can see that. 08:26.633 --> 08:29.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I teach at UT, and it is definitely the case that 08:29.866 --> 08:32.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% while, you know, Asian Americans 08:32.566 --> 08:35.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% are very well represented in the stem fields. 08:35.200 --> 08:37.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They are, they're not always high achievers, 08:37.900 --> 08:39.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and I think that there's a kind of misconception 08:39.966 --> 08:43.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that somehow, Asians are genetically predisposed 08:43.633 --> 08:46.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to doing math and science really well. 08:46.400 --> 08:48.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Or, somehow, I don't know... 08:48.033 --> 08:49.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Linda] I'm a counter example of that. 08:49.300 --> 08:51.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Right, right, right. (laughter) 08:51.466 --> 08:54.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - I think that there are issues that are related to that 08:54.300 --> 08:55.500 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% but also 08:55.500 --> 08:57.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I think that some of the things 08:57.900 --> 08:59.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that the other panelists have been saying 08:59.233 --> 09:01.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% about the economic disparities, there's also 09:01.833 --> 09:03.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% big educational backgrounds. 09:03.633 --> 09:05.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% You have a huge population 09:05.200 --> 09:07.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of first generation American university students. 09:07.300 --> 09:09.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So, parents who don't always know what to expect 09:09.366 --> 09:11.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% when their kids are going into school, 09:11.533 --> 09:14.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% they haven't come from backgrounds that have 09:14.566 --> 09:17.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% sort of, generations of academic achievement, 09:17.533 --> 09:19.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and so I think that there's a lot of ways that 09:19.833 --> 09:21.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% this population is misunderstood. 09:21.566 --> 09:23.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% There's another problem that I think we should add to that, 09:23.566 --> 09:26.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% which is, not just internalization 09:26.133 --> 09:28.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% of the model minority myth 09:28.000 --> 09:30.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but Asian Americans have also been pitted 09:30.233 --> 09:32.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% against other minority groups in the United States 09:32.266 --> 09:35.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% historically, and so, it is not the case that this is 09:35.333 --> 09:39.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% a community that is free from its own chauvinisms and 09:39.500 --> 09:41.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% issues ideologically, when it comes to thinking 09:41.900 --> 09:43.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% about other minority groups. 09:43.266 --> 09:45.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But that's also been a conscious political strategy 09:45.833 --> 09:47.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% in the United States, to say, 09:47.533 --> 09:50.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Asians are the right kind of minorities, 09:50.100 --> 09:51.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Latinos are the wrong kinds of immigrants, 09:51.866 --> 09:53.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Blacks are the wrong kinds of minorities, 09:53.400 --> 09:55.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and so populations get pitted against each other. 09:55.533 --> 09:56.866 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% And those values get internalized 09:56.866 --> 09:58.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% just as much as the positive values. 09:58.466 --> 10:01.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And I think that there's a real... 10:01.366 --> 10:02.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that we have to do some really serious thinking 10:02.766 --> 10:04.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% through how to challenge them that. 10:04.566 --> 10:05.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% The last thing that I want to say is, 10:05.766 --> 10:07.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think that there's also a misconception 10:07.866 --> 10:09.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that Asian Americans are kind of checked out 10:09.733 --> 10:12.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of the political or activist culture in Austin. 10:12.300 --> 10:13.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And that's just simply not true. 10:13.933 --> 10:15.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% There's actually quite a number of people 10:15.566 --> 10:17.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% who've been engaged for a really long time 10:17.533 --> 10:20.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in doing some really valuable and positive things 10:20.100 --> 10:21.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in this community, and I think that that's 10:21.600 --> 10:23.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% worth acknowledging. 10:23.466 --> 10:24.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - [Esther] Great. 10:24.933 --> 10:26.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - When we talk about prejudice and discrimination though, 10:26.700 --> 10:28.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think there's a kind of hidden level 10:28.166 --> 10:29.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% at which we don't talk about it? 10:29.833 --> 10:31.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And that's microaggressions. 10:31.900 --> 10:34.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Alright, we talk about how Asian Americans 10:34.366 --> 10:36.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% are misunderstood and they're lumped together, 10:36.900 --> 10:40.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but on a day-to-day basis, this is the stuff 10:40.233 --> 10:43.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that actually makes living in this country 10:43.433 --> 10:45.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% as an Asian American challenging. 10:45.400 --> 10:48.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Because well-meaning people will come up to you, 10:48.300 --> 10:50.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and I heard this comment today, when people 10:50.900 --> 10:53.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% found out I was gonna be on this panel, they said, 10:53.000 --> 10:54.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% well, can you answer me a question? 10:54.966 --> 10:58.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% How come those people assimilate so well? 10:58.033 --> 10:59.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Well, first of all, I'm an Asian. 10:59.866 --> 11:03.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And so, just, you know, not even knowing, 11:03.433 --> 11:05.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% who belongs to the Asian group, and then 11:05.800 --> 11:08.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% making comments, it was a well-meaning comment. 11:08.466 --> 11:11.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So well-meaning people in schools, 11:11.800 --> 11:15.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in work environments, in families 11:15.566 --> 11:18.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and extended families, are making comments 11:18.200 --> 11:20.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that remind Asian Americans that they're not 11:20.666 --> 11:25.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% as equal as other groups, or that they're foreigners. 11:25.300 --> 11:28.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It doesn't matter if you've been born and raised here. 11:28.400 --> 11:30.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% You're reminded constantly that 11:30.400 --> 11:33.100 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% you're not really one of this country. 11:33.100 --> 11:36.000 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% And I think that kind of microaggression 11:36.000 --> 11:39.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% is what creates the stress in people's lives. 11:39.866 --> 11:41.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - [Linda] You know, as a Texan, 11:41.500 --> 11:43.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I considered myself as a Texan. 11:44.533 --> 11:45.966 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% And-- 11:45.966 --> 11:47.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Dr. Vagdevi] And people ask you where are you 11:47.066 --> 11:48.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% really from? - [Linda] Where am I 11:48.000 --> 11:49.233 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% really from? (laughter) 11:49.233 --> 11:50.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And I'm like, I'm from Nederland, Texas. 11:50.433 --> 11:51.833 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% (laughter) 11:51.833 --> 11:53.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - Before that, Linda. 11:53.300 --> 11:57.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I think that is the perpetual foreigner, 11:57.200 --> 12:00.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or the other, and that is a cloud 12:00.566 --> 12:03.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that we walk with, or at least I walk with. 12:03.266 --> 12:05.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You know, it doesn't matter if, you know, 12:05.300 --> 12:07.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I'm taxpaying and I've you know, 12:07.466 --> 12:10.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I've done every Texan thing I can do. 12:11.400 --> 12:13.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% But there's always that cloud, 12:13.366 --> 12:17.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that you're not really part of this consistent whole. 12:17.733 --> 12:20.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Esther] Are there certain segments of this population 12:20.466 --> 12:23.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% or people from certain countries that are discriminated 12:23.033 --> 12:25.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% more than others? 12:25.066 --> 12:27.066 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% - Well in the news today is a story of 12:27.066 --> 12:29.166 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% Ahmed Mohamed, in Irving Texas. 12:29.166 --> 12:31.800 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% So, I don' t think that we can forget the fact 12:31.800 --> 12:34.366 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% that what is happening to Muslims in this country 12:34.366 --> 12:37.000 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% is pretty serious. 12:37.000 --> 12:38.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And in fact, in Texas, we have 12:38.766 --> 12:40.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% two problems in Texas about this, right? 12:40.533 --> 12:43.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% One is the number of counties and municipalities 12:43.766 --> 12:47.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that are passing so-called anti-Sharia bills 12:47.100 --> 12:49.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% which Irving, Texas is one of these, and so 12:49.366 --> 12:52.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you can tell there's, why there's a direct relationship 12:52.166 --> 12:54.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% between the kinds of prejudices that 12:54.566 --> 12:56.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a student who's doing something as innocuous 12:56.966 --> 12:59.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% as bringing a science project to school, 12:59.566 --> 13:02.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% gets seen in a particular way by law enforcement officials 13:02.900 --> 13:05.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and the mayor of that town, who said some 13:05.633 --> 13:08.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% really unfortunate things today. 13:09.133 --> 13:12.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But I also think that like, in the history of, 13:12.433 --> 13:17.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% sort of, of racisms against Asians in the United States, 13:17.233 --> 13:19.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% there's been a direct correlation between 13:19.966 --> 13:22.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% military projects that the United States has in Asia, 13:22.866 --> 13:26.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and the kind of negative racism that Asians experience. 13:26.166 --> 13:29.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So, anti-Japanese sentiment goes on the rise 13:29.000 --> 13:31.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% during World War II, anti-Vietnamese goes on the rise 13:31.766 --> 13:34.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% during the war in Vietnam, anti-Korean sentiment 13:34.266 --> 13:35.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% during the war in Korea. 13:35.433 --> 13:37.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And now that we have the war on terror, 13:37.033 --> 13:39.633 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% whatever that is, we have the kind of 13:39.633 --> 13:42.733 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% explosion of anti-Muslim sentiment in this country. 13:42.733 --> 13:44.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And there's been a direct correlation between 13:44.900 --> 13:46.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the projects of this country, both in terms 13:46.600 --> 13:49.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of bringing people here, so that we can be 13:49.233 --> 13:51.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you know, laborers, or professionals working 13:51.966 --> 13:55.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% to help build this country, but also in terms of 13:55.133 --> 13:57.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% subject populations that are seen as internal threats 13:57.666 --> 14:00.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that have to be policed in some way. 14:00.500 --> 14:02.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And I think that it's impossible not to talk about 14:02.766 --> 14:04.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% what is happening to, and I don't always think 14:04.966 --> 14:06.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that Muslims are thought of as Asians, 14:06.533 --> 14:07.700 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% in that context, right? 14:07.700 --> 14:09.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And so there's a way that we can forget 14:09.466 --> 14:12.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% things like, you know, the largest Muslim populations 14:12.633 --> 14:14.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% are actually not in Arab speaking countries 14:14.900 --> 14:18.333 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% but actually in proper 14:18.333 --> 14:20.300 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% in Malaysia, in Indonesia, 14:20.300 --> 14:22.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in the Philippines, in India, right? 14:22.033 --> 14:24.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% These are the more, much more populous Muslim countries 14:24.833 --> 14:27.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and I think that that perception too as well, 14:27.066 --> 14:29.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% effects the way that... 14:29.500 --> 14:33.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - In post-9/11, you know, we, in New York City, 14:33.500 --> 14:37.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% there was so many hate crimes against the Sikh community 14:37.666 --> 14:40.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and, which they had nothing to do 14:40.866 --> 14:44.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% with any of the terrorist acts, and we are continuing 14:44.733 --> 14:47.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% to see that, 'til to the day. 14:47.266 --> 14:49.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You know, there was a case, also in 14:50.300 --> 14:53.833 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% where a South Asian grandfather, 14:53.833 --> 14:56.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% was thrown to the ground by the police. 14:56.466 --> 15:00.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And so, and also, we're seeing a lot of bullying 15:00.666 --> 15:05.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% happening in schools, post-9/11 against 15:05.000 --> 15:06.700 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% South Asian kids. 15:06.700 --> 15:10.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So, I mean, it's alive and well, unfortunately. 15:10.233 --> 15:13.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And it's not just a Texas thing. It's across the U.S. 15:13.733 --> 15:15.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And it really does come down to 15:15.500 --> 15:18.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% what is that issue of the day 15:19.000 --> 15:21.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that's causing this hatred. 15:21.600 --> 15:24.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - And to go back to the foreigner concept, you know, 15:24.600 --> 15:28.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% one thing that can unite a country is to have someone 15:28.700 --> 15:32.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that's not one of us, to oppose. 15:32.733 --> 15:35.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And in stressful situations, whether it's economic times 15:35.933 --> 15:40.400 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% or whether it's military conflicts, 15:40.833 --> 15:43.733 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% if you are always seen as the foreigner, 15:43.733 --> 15:45.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you're always gonna to be the easy target 15:45.500 --> 15:48.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in terms of, hey, you're not one of us 15:48.133 --> 15:50.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and we don't like you because you're not one of us 15:50.400 --> 15:53.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and you know, this is a little bit off-topic, 15:53.466 --> 15:56.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but you know, those recent broadcasts 15:56.733 --> 16:00.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% on KUT about repatriation of Mexican Americans 16:01.200 --> 16:04.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% during the 30s, because economic times are hard 16:04.000 --> 16:05.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and you're Mexicans and so you're foreigners 16:05.966 --> 16:07.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and we're gonna ship you out, 16:07.133 --> 16:08.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% similar to what's happening. 16:08.533 --> 16:12.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But over time, you know, African Americans 16:12.033 --> 16:15.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% brought over as slaves for the most part, 16:15.133 --> 16:17.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Hispanic and Latin Americans who have been in the U.S. 16:17.333 --> 16:20.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% for a long time, are seeing more or less as Americans 16:20.666 --> 16:23.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in different grades, and Asian Americans 16:23.733 --> 16:25.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% are definitely on the tail end of that. 16:25.266 --> 16:27.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And so, to the extent that there are conflicts 16:27.966 --> 16:30.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we seem to be easily picked out as, you know, 16:30.566 --> 16:33.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% visible minorities with possible language 16:33.566 --> 16:37.200 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% and accents that can be looked at 16:37.200 --> 16:39.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% as the other person and as the threat, 16:39.733 --> 16:41.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% whether it's China, in terms of 16:41.866 --> 16:43.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% whether it's Muslims because of the war, 16:43.400 --> 16:45.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or China because of you know, economic 16:45.166 --> 16:48.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and geopolitical situations. 16:48.366 --> 16:50.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And that's the threat, and that's why, you know, 16:50.600 --> 16:53.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% it's so important that we get 16:53.133 --> 16:55.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% over the hurdle of being foreigners. 16:55.433 --> 16:58.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I mean, we have to be seen as Americans. 16:58.566 --> 17:00.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You know, because if we were born here 17:00.933 --> 17:03.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% or were naturalized here, that's what it takes 17:03.400 --> 17:04.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% to be an American. 17:04.900 --> 17:07.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And part of what, you know, internally in our communities 17:07.600 --> 17:10.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% we have to realize, particularly the newly arrived, 17:10.633 --> 17:12.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% is that when you're a citizen, you need to take ownership 17:12.933 --> 17:16.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of that citizenship, and assert that citizenship. 17:16.200 --> 17:19.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And not, you know, believe internally 17:19.400 --> 17:20.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that you don't belong in this country. 17:20.866 --> 17:22.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And I think, those are other issues 17:22.600 --> 17:24.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that I'm sure, maybe we'll get around to, 17:24.533 --> 17:27.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but I think, are really important for-- 17:28.000 --> 17:30.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Can you say it slightly differently because I'm not sure 17:30.133 --> 17:34.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that any amount of ownership of citizenship gets you away 17:34.333 --> 17:36.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% from the discrimination. 17:36.500 --> 17:38.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I don't know that, it doesn't matter how 17:38.733 --> 17:41.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% civicly engaged you are, how good 17:41.333 --> 17:44.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% an American you are, how many American flags you put up, 17:44.033 --> 17:45.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% how many football games you go to, 17:45.533 --> 17:47.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% how much apple pie you eat, 17:47.533 --> 17:50.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% at the end of the day, the issue is not about 17:50.033 --> 17:53.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% individuals being able to pull themselves up 17:53.900 --> 17:55.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% into the American dream, because the problems 17:55.866 --> 17:57.000 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% are really structural. 17:57.000 --> 17:58.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They're institutional in many ways. 17:58.366 --> 18:00.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% There are laws that are being, 18:00.533 --> 18:03.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% we're cheap political football points to be scored 18:03.500 --> 18:05.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% when politicians want to win elections, right? 18:05.633 --> 18:08.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So I'm not sure that I'm... 18:08.266 --> 18:10.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% This is a lesson that I learned after the... 18:10.633 --> 18:12.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think I'd known this all along, but it became 18:12.500 --> 18:14.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% really clear to me after the three students 18:14.700 --> 18:17.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% who were shot in North Carolina for being Muslim. 18:17.900 --> 18:19.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I mean, you were talking about the best 18:19.666 --> 18:22.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% kinds of model American citizens that you could imagine, 18:22.466 --> 18:25.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and there was no amount of civic engagement, 18:25.633 --> 18:28.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% volunteerism, good heartedness, 18:28.200 --> 18:29.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that would get them out of 18:29.333 --> 18:31.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% being Muslim at the end of the day. 18:32.433 --> 18:36.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I caution us from adopting a strategy, 18:36.166 --> 18:38.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in which we think that it's our responsibility 18:38.833 --> 18:41.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in some ways to become better citizens, 18:41.400 --> 18:42.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% such that we can be seen as integrated 18:42.800 --> 18:45.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% into America. I think-- - [Dr. Vagdevi] Can I jump-- 18:45.033 --> 18:46.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - That was actually not my point. 18:46.333 --> 18:50.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% My point is not, that we try to act American. 18:50.100 --> 18:53.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Owning citizenship, owning your American, 18:53.966 --> 18:57.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% your being an American, is to stand up and say, 18:57.033 --> 18:58.533 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% that's wrong. 18:58.533 --> 19:00.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% That discrimination is wrong. 19:00.200 --> 19:02.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I have a right to be in this country. 19:02.166 --> 19:03.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And that's what doesn't happen in a lot of 19:03.900 --> 19:06.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% newly arrived communities. 19:06.366 --> 19:09.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Is they don't assert that ownership because 19:09.000 --> 19:11.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% some people feel, okay, well, we just got here 19:11.900 --> 19:14.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and we don't have the right to protest, 19:14.533 --> 19:17.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or fight for our rights as Americans. 19:17.633 --> 19:20.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And I think, sorry, that wasn't the point. 19:20.266 --> 19:23.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I was making was not, your know, eat more apple pie. 19:23.000 --> 19:24.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It's to go out in the streets and say, 19:24.766 --> 19:26.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% you know what, that's wrong. 19:26.433 --> 19:28.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% When you discriminate against our community, 19:28.266 --> 19:30.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I have every right to be here. 19:30.400 --> 19:32.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I have every right to protest the behaviors 19:32.600 --> 19:35.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that are being, you know, acted out against me 19:35.300 --> 19:37.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% or others in my community. 19:37.233 --> 19:39.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% That's the aspect of becoming, really, 19:39.666 --> 19:42.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% a citizen and acting, and owning 19:42.266 --> 19:43.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% citizenship in this country. 19:43.500 --> 19:46.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Esther] And perhaps your point is more about 19:46.033 --> 19:49.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the person actually feeling like they have rights? 19:49.166 --> 19:50.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And knowing their rights? 19:50.966 --> 19:53.466 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% Because a lot of our community may not realize 19:53.466 --> 19:55.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% what their rights are, and they're maybe not taught it, 19:55.966 --> 19:59.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or that they feel like that something 19:59.266 --> 20:00.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% individually they own. 20:00.500 --> 20:02.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I think collectively, - [Esther] Is that-- 20:02.333 --> 20:04.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Yeah. - [Linda] We collectively, 20:04.866 --> 20:07.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we need to be engaged with the system. 20:07.266 --> 20:10.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% These oppressive systems. Whatever they are, right? 20:10.200 --> 20:14.933 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% So, ya know, we do have a responsibility to be at the table, 20:14.933 --> 20:16.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% to get to that table. 20:16.500 --> 20:18.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - [Dr. Vagdevi] I would say, 20:18.333 --> 20:20.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that the responsibility's not just political. 20:20.900 --> 20:23.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% See one of the reasons why 20:23.633 --> 20:26.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% a lot of the discrimination that Asians face 20:26.400 --> 20:28.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% happens is because of ignorance. 20:28.600 --> 20:31.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Because people don't know who belongs 20:31.433 --> 20:35.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% to that group, Asian, and in fact, it's arbitrary right? 20:35.200 --> 20:36.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% It's a moving target. 20:36.900 --> 20:39.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Let's hear now, from our audience. 20:39.166 --> 20:40.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And during our discussion we've been collecting 20:40.900 --> 20:43.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% questions from people in our studio. 20:43.533 --> 20:45.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So the first question is, 20:45.233 --> 20:48.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% what kind of role do mixed raced Asians 20:48.300 --> 20:51.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% play in the Asian American identity? 20:51.833 --> 20:53.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Dr. Vagdevi] I would say this is not a problem 20:53.233 --> 20:54.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% just for Asian Americans. 20:54.900 --> 20:57.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I would say one of the largest growing groups 20:57.300 --> 21:01.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that we're gonna see emerge in future census data 21:01.133 --> 21:04.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% is mixed race, multicultural, 21:04.166 --> 21:07.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% bicultural individuals, and households. 21:07.133 --> 21:11.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And what the challenges that they face 21:11.733 --> 21:15.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% are is that they're, you know, squarely in two 21:15.333 --> 21:17.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% different communities, or they feel like 21:17.433 --> 21:19.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% they're in neither community. 21:19.366 --> 21:22.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And so they really feel marginalized, 21:22.533 --> 21:26.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% even within their own ethnic communities, 21:26.566 --> 21:29.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and therefore may not seek services, 21:29.500 --> 21:33.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% may not speak up, may really experience 21:33.433 --> 21:35.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% being isolated from their own communities. 21:35.933 --> 21:38.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So I think, you know, even Asian Americans 21:38.900 --> 21:42.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% have to sort of think about who is outside the margins. 21:42.700 --> 21:45.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Who is right outside our group that 21:45.233 --> 21:48.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we're not including in our services. 21:48.200 --> 21:51.166 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% - As a mother to mixed race kids, 21:51.166 --> 21:53.133 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% that's something I struggle with. 21:53.133 --> 21:55.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% How do we be inclusive 'cause 21:55.800 --> 22:00.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% their narrative, and their history is so different 22:00.300 --> 22:02.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% from mine, and so different from their father's. 22:02.533 --> 22:05.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So that's something that needs to be considered 22:05.866 --> 22:08.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in talking about, you know, marginalized communities. 22:08.266 --> 22:13.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think, in a lot of Hawaiian communities, 22:13.100 --> 22:16.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Pacific Islander communities, especially in Hawaii, 22:16.366 --> 22:19.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the Hapa population, has its own identity. 22:19.766 --> 22:21.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But then within the Hapa population, 22:21.733 --> 22:23.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% it is segmented out, you know. 22:23.500 --> 22:28.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Are you Hapa Korean? Are you Hapa Chinese? 22:28.300 --> 22:31.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And so it makes things much more complicated 22:31.533 --> 22:33.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% but I do feel that they are part 22:33.466 --> 22:36.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of this larger marginalized group. 22:36.733 --> 22:38.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Dr. Vagdevi] And I think one of our challenges is 22:38.366 --> 22:42.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% how do we transmit the Asian cultural values? 22:42.600 --> 22:47.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Because many of the, you know, mixed race children 22:47.033 --> 22:50.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that are growing up of parents like you, 22:50.366 --> 22:52.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% may not necessarily really understand 22:52.900 --> 22:55.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% what it means to be an Asian American. 22:55.100 --> 22:56.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% You know, I know my children, 22:56.500 --> 22:59.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I'll take credit, blame for this, 22:59.333 --> 23:02.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% grew up thinking that Indian meant eating Indian food. 23:02.733 --> 23:06.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And having weird festivals, once in a while. 23:06.233 --> 23:07.700 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% But that was it, right? 23:07.700 --> 23:10.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% What do I teach them about what it means 23:10.400 --> 23:12.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% to be Indian American. 23:12.066 --> 23:14.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And really make the Indian as equal 23:14.366 --> 23:17.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to their identity as the American. 23:17.166 --> 23:21.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - At the same time, I like to look at 23:22.900 --> 23:27.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% mixed race people as the future of this country. 23:27.800 --> 23:30.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% You know, when there's a census 23:30.500 --> 23:33.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and more and more people check the other box, 23:33.566 --> 23:36.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think that's actually, in many ways 23:36.666 --> 23:39.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% a good thing for this country because it really breaks down 23:39.900 --> 23:43.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% a lot of these old racial barriers in many ways, 23:43.166 --> 23:45.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and it forces people to break those barriers down 23:45.633 --> 23:49.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% because you can't easily just put people in a box anymore, 23:49.166 --> 23:53.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and so, I really look at mixed race children 23:53.833 --> 23:57.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% as our future, and our hope in many ways, you know? 23:57.433 --> 23:59.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Dr. Vagdevi] Could we ever put people in a box? 23:59.333 --> 24:00.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I think we pretended - [Richard] They do (laughs) 24:00.600 --> 24:02.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Dr. Vagdevi] like we could. (laughter) 24:02.400 --> 24:05.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Esther] Alright. I'll go to our next question. 24:05.466 --> 24:08.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Would Asian participation in public services 24:08.400 --> 24:13.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% as a politician, public agency board member, or soldier, 24:13.466 --> 24:15.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% change the misconception of Asian Americans 24:15.900 --> 24:18.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% being Asians but not Americans? 24:18.433 --> 24:20.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I'm going to give that to you Snehal. 24:20.133 --> 24:23.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Oh (laughs)... (everybody laughs) 24:23.300 --> 24:26.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Look, I'm hopeful but suspicious 24:26.766 --> 24:28.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% that it's not enough. 24:28.433 --> 24:30.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I think that we definitely need much more 24:30.600 --> 24:32.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% sort of, public engagement 24:32.700 --> 24:35.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and I'm not sure if the question here is, 24:35.333 --> 24:37.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% do we present ourselves as Asian American, 24:37.533 --> 24:39.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% as Asian, or as American, when we're, you know, 24:39.633 --> 24:41.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% stepping forward into public life. 24:41.700 --> 24:43.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think that the problem is that that choice 24:43.600 --> 24:46.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% isn't always ours to make, and I think that 24:46.500 --> 24:49.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that's some of the things that isn't 24:49.366 --> 24:50.266 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% recognized, right? 24:50.266 --> 24:51.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So the, whatever the box is, 24:51.866 --> 24:54.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% there's always been a box to check. 24:55.533 --> 24:57.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I make this example for my students all the time 24:57.300 --> 24:58.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because I think it's really instructive about 24:58.833 --> 25:01.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% race laws in this country. 25:01.133 --> 25:04.166 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% When I was born in 1975, 25:04.466 --> 25:06.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% my birth certificate listed me as white, 25:06.700 --> 25:09.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% because according to the laws in the United States, 25:09.166 --> 25:11.533 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% Indians were Arians, and Arians were white, 25:11.533 --> 25:13.366 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% and so I was listed as white. 25:13.366 --> 25:17.933 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% In the 1980s, a new box appeared called Asian, 25:17.933 --> 25:19.633 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and so then I was Asian. 25:19.633 --> 25:22.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% In the 1990's, then there was a Indian box to check. 25:22.333 --> 25:23.533 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% So then I was an Indian. 25:23.533 --> 25:24.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Now there's a South Asian box to check, 25:24.700 --> 25:26.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% so I'm South Asian. 25:26.066 --> 25:28.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% The policies of this country in terms of 25:28.066 --> 25:30.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% how we get denominated, and how we are understood 25:30.666 --> 25:33.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in terms of racial segments, isn't always a choice 25:33.266 --> 25:34.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that we are capable of making. 25:34.633 --> 25:37.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And I think this is what's so important about 25:37.700 --> 25:40.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% us talking about some of these issues, is that 25:40.333 --> 25:42.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I'm not sure that it's always up to us 25:42.233 --> 25:44.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to understand how we're going to be effected. 25:44.433 --> 25:47.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I would hazard to guess that most Muslim Americans 25:47.033 --> 25:49.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in this country didn't see themselves as all one population 25:49.900 --> 25:51.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% until 9/11 happened. 25:51.300 --> 25:53.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Esther] Dr. Meunier, what are some of the issues 25:53.633 --> 25:57.833 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% you've seen some of your Asian American clients face? 25:57.833 --> 25:59.866 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% - [Dr. Meunier] I think stress, 25:59.866 --> 26:04.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% work stress, really experiencing discrimination 26:04.466 --> 26:07.100 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% or prejudice, or lack of, you know, 26:07.100 --> 26:09.600 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% like a glass ceiling, at work. 26:09.600 --> 26:11.933 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% I think family stress. 26:11.933 --> 26:14.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% A lot of Asian Americans, particularly when there's 26:14.900 --> 26:17.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% two generations, living in a family, 26:17.500 --> 26:19.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% there's generational conflict 26:19.700 --> 26:23.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and generational differences in the way they grow up. 26:23.233 --> 26:24.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% First generation immigrants 26:24.566 --> 26:26.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% often think of themselves as foreigners, 26:26.200 --> 26:28.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% no matter how long they've been here. 26:28.533 --> 26:31.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And they tend to have certain attitudes 26:31.033 --> 26:33.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and values that go along with that. 26:33.466 --> 26:35.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And the younger generation, the generation 26:35.366 --> 26:37.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that was born and brought up here, 26:37.666 --> 26:41.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% are more likely to think of themselves as ethnic minorities. 26:41.033 --> 26:45.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And so there's a real big gap between 26:45.400 --> 26:48.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the understanding in values and the ways in which 26:48.466 --> 26:51.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the two groups move through society here, 26:51.100 --> 26:53.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and that can lead to conflict. 26:53.533 --> 26:55.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% For example, around dating, or sex, 26:55.833 --> 26:58.000 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% or sexual identity. 26:58.400 --> 27:00.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% These are all conflicts that Asian families 27:00.966 --> 27:02.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% have to deal with 27:02.500 --> 27:03.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in this context. - [Esther] If I can ask about 27:03.833 --> 27:05.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the first part you mentioned, glass ceiling. 27:05.500 --> 27:08.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I mean, is that for females? Or I mean, all Asian Americans? 27:08.766 --> 27:11.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Dr. Meunier] I would say all Asian Americans. Yeah. 27:11.333 --> 27:14.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% There are groups of Asian Americans who pass 27:14.700 --> 27:19.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% for white in their work environments 27:19.066 --> 27:20.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and tend to do better. 27:20.933 --> 27:25.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And depending on skin color, depending on accent, 27:25.100 --> 27:28.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% depending on their background if they got their first 27:28.400 --> 27:31.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or second degree in an Asian country. 27:31.766 --> 27:34.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They're likely to face discrimination at work 27:34.033 --> 27:37.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% for a long period of time, and it can be subtle, right? 27:37.433 --> 27:41.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It's not necessarily a really obvious discrimination, 27:41.300 --> 27:44.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% but it can be a subtle stresser that never goes away. 27:44.400 --> 27:46.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Snehal] We can see this even at a place like UT. 27:46.733 --> 27:50.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% The lower you go down the pay scale, 27:50.166 --> 27:52.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the more Asian Americans are represented, right? 27:52.333 --> 27:54.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So, you look at the sort of top administrators 27:54.733 --> 27:58.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% at this university, not a single Asian American. 27:58.066 --> 27:59.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You have to go down, I mean like in, 27:59.833 --> 28:02.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% full professors, fewer associate professors, 28:02.766 --> 28:04.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% fewer, I mean, like all the way down, 28:04.600 --> 28:08.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% there's a kind of pattern of, I think, 28:08.233 --> 28:11.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% a sense that even, there's certain institutions here 28:11.000 --> 28:14.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that still are, and still represent that kind of 28:14.833 --> 28:19.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% minority, majoritarian culture in which Asians 28:19.333 --> 28:21.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% are not seen as fitting in right, or not seen as 28:21.866 --> 28:24.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% having the skill set to appropriately fit in. 28:24.600 --> 28:26.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Language becomes an easy way to discriminate 28:26.533 --> 28:28.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% against people who are looking for promotions. 28:28.566 --> 28:30.100 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% So, absolutely. 28:30.100 --> 28:31.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Esther] Yeah. - And to follow along 28:31.333 --> 28:34.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% with that, you know, the city of Austin is, 28:34.366 --> 28:36.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% when we look at the city of Austin, 28:36.566 --> 28:38.333 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% we see similar problems. 28:38.333 --> 28:43.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Since 2010, I mean, since 2000 to 2015, 28:43.100 --> 28:45.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the percentage of Asians that make up 28:45.666 --> 28:49.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the city employees, has sat pretty much at 3%. 28:49.966 --> 28:53.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Even while the Asian population has almost tripled, 28:53.900 --> 28:56.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and if you look at the upper echelons, 28:56.633 --> 28:58.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% there's been actually a regression, 28:58.866 --> 29:02.500 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% in terms of Asians who are in upper management, 29:02.500 --> 29:03.933 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% executive positions. 29:03.933 --> 29:08.133 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% At the same time, and this reflects the model minority myth 29:08.133 --> 29:10.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in a lot of ways, at the lower end of the pay scale, 29:10.966 --> 29:12.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% there's a dearth of Asian Americans. 29:12.466 --> 29:15.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Which means, either that they're not applying 29:15.700 --> 29:17.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because they don't feel like it's a possibility, 29:17.933 --> 29:20.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% or they're just not looked at as a candidate pool. 29:20.533 --> 29:24.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So, again, you know, Austin is a tremendously 29:24.833 --> 29:27.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% progressive place, but when we look at hard numbers, 29:27.866 --> 29:30.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% maybe not so much, or maybe 29:30.500 --> 29:32.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we haven't been asking the right questions, 29:32.166 --> 29:34.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or we haven't focused on an entire community 29:34.800 --> 29:38.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that's just not being considered 29:38.400 --> 29:40.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% because they're kind of out of sight and out of mind. 29:40.933 --> 29:44.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - I wanna circle back to the health question. 29:44.833 --> 29:46.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% What we have been seeing a lot 29:46.333 --> 29:48.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% is a lot of unaddressed trauma. 29:49.700 --> 29:51.266 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% When it comes to mental health. 29:51.266 --> 29:54.100 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% And, you know, working in a domestic violence 29:54.100 --> 29:57.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and sexual assault field, there's a lot of trauma there. 29:57.733 --> 30:00.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And we are seeing new refugees coming in. 30:00.500 --> 30:04.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Austin is a refugee resettlement community. 30:04.233 --> 30:06.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We have high populations of the Nepali, 30:06.800 --> 30:11.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the Burmese, the Bhutanese, coming in. 30:11.533 --> 30:14.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Ya know, one, soon, depending on 30:15.500 --> 30:17.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% what's happening at Capitol Hill 30:17.266 --> 30:19.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and at the White House, we may be seeing 30:19.733 --> 30:21.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Syrians coming through as well. 30:21.533 --> 30:24.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But right now, those numbers are quite low. 30:24.933 --> 30:29.533 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% And, there has not been 30:29.533 --> 30:33.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% a real concerted effort 30:33.200 --> 30:35.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% with mental health providers, 30:35.933 --> 30:38.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% with certain institutions to address 30:38.700 --> 30:41.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% the need for culturally specific 30:41.566 --> 30:43.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and trauma informed services. 30:43.966 --> 30:47.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% A lot of times we have seen 30:48.066 --> 30:51.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% clients who come in who have been assaulted, 30:51.633 --> 30:54.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% but then they also deal with the trauma of migration. 30:54.666 --> 30:58.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% They also deal with the trauma of these microaggressions 30:58.333 --> 31:01.233 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% and, or the trauma of 31:01.233 --> 31:04.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% being treated differently by the police. 31:04.300 --> 31:07.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And we just have not seen any kind of 31:07.633 --> 31:11.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% culturally specific services made available. 31:12.233 --> 31:14.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% You know, we're pretty much it. 31:14.433 --> 31:16.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% We're the only group in Austin 31:16.600 --> 31:18.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and in the Central Texas area 31:18.233 --> 31:21.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that provides therapeutic counseling 31:21.466 --> 31:23.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% focused on the Asian American community. 31:23.633 --> 31:26.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But we're a small group, and the need is large. 31:26.333 --> 31:27.800 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% And the need is large. 31:27.800 --> 31:28.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Dr. Meunier] I would say that's a problem in general 31:28.933 --> 31:31.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% in Texas, is the lack of focus 31:31.266 --> 31:33.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and the lack of resources for mental health treatment. 31:33.766 --> 31:36.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% A lot of refugee populations are funneled through 31:36.266 --> 31:40.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% state agencies, that may not have any Asian American 31:40.466 --> 31:41.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% staff members at all. - [Linda] They're calling us. 31:41.766 --> 31:45.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They're calling, we're getting phone calls 31:45.266 --> 31:47.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% from Ash and they're calling us, and say, 31:47.333 --> 31:49.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% can you come and help, and we're telling them 31:49.766 --> 31:52.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% this is your responsibility. 31:52.200 --> 31:54.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You need to bring in that interpreter. 31:54.300 --> 31:57.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You need to be trained, on how to provide 31:57.033 --> 31:58.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% these services. - [Dr. Meunier] And an 31:58.533 --> 32:00.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% interpreter is not enough. - [Richard] Yeah, exactly. 32:00.366 --> 32:04.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Exactly. They need employees in those departments, 32:04.200 --> 32:06.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that understand that that need exists. 32:06.200 --> 32:10.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You know, part of this push to hire diversity 32:10.333 --> 32:13.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or to have diverse departments is, 32:13.266 --> 32:15.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% having that diversity allows you to understand 32:15.733 --> 32:18.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that there are populations that are not served 32:18.866 --> 32:22.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and be active advocates within your departments 32:22.366 --> 32:25.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% to go out and make sure that those translation services, 32:25.233 --> 32:27.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% or other services are provided. 32:27.066 --> 32:28.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And, as anecdotally, you know, 32:28.866 --> 32:30.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I'm sure we all get this. 32:30.233 --> 32:32.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We all as different rep, you know, 32:32.433 --> 32:35.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% belong to different Asian language minority communities, 32:35.200 --> 32:36.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% we get phone calls. 32:36.400 --> 32:38.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It's like, hey, I have this person. 32:38.233 --> 32:40.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They're violent, they need mental help, 32:40.866 --> 32:44.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and you know, where can I go, where there's a therapist 32:44.333 --> 32:46.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% who speaks this language? 32:46.000 --> 32:48.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And sometimes there's none, you know. 32:48.033 --> 32:51.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And these are the issues that, as Linda says, 32:51.533 --> 32:53.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% as we have refugee populations move here, 32:53.666 --> 32:55.433 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% there's an Iraqi population here. 32:55.433 --> 32:58.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% In North Austin, and, you know, 32:58.466 --> 33:01.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% are we prepared when we bring large populations 33:01.666 --> 33:04.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of refugees over here, to provide them 33:04.700 --> 33:07.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% with the needed services so that they can 33:07.066 --> 33:08.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% adapt and it's-- - [Linda] But it's not even 33:08.233 --> 33:10.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% just the refugee population. - Right. 33:10.100 --> 33:13.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - We have citizens who live here 33:13.233 --> 33:15.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and may speak English well, 33:15.500 --> 33:17.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but we just don't have the services 33:17.500 --> 33:21.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that can really resonate with their cultural identity. 33:21.400 --> 33:23.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And so that's a larger issue. 33:23.366 --> 33:26.866 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - And to anticipate some of the objections that I hear, 33:26.866 --> 33:29.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you know, one way you can look at it is, 33:29.700 --> 33:32.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the Asian and Asian American populations in Austin 33:32.066 --> 33:33.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% have been paying taxes, 33:33.966 --> 33:36.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but they haven't been accessing services. 33:36.400 --> 33:38.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You know, so it's not like, hey, you know, 33:38.400 --> 33:40.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% let's make sure this population just gets 33:40.766 --> 33:42.833 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% a bunch of services. 33:42.833 --> 33:45.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% There are a lot of people who have been paying their taxes 33:45.400 --> 33:48.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and just not being able to access these services. 33:48.200 --> 33:51.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So it's not just, hey, let's just provide services 33:51.200 --> 33:53.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and, 'cause I know lately, you know, 33:53.133 --> 33:56.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% taxes are a big issue, but you know, to be fair, 33:56.333 --> 33:58.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% these are populations that have been paying their taxes 33:58.533 --> 34:00.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and they just don't receive the services 34:00.866 --> 34:02.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% that they're paying for. 34:02.066 --> 34:04.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Esther] Let's talk about our seniors. 34:04.200 --> 34:07.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% That's a population that probably is getting 34:07.066 --> 34:10.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% very little culturally appropriate services, 34:10.333 --> 34:12.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% even though their needs are very high. 34:12.000 --> 34:14.000 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% So what, I mean, 34:14.000 --> 34:18.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% tell us, like, what can we do to better serve their needs. 34:18.200 --> 34:20.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Also, you know, there's talks of 34:20.166 --> 34:22.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% high rates of suicide or depression, anxiety. 34:22.966 --> 34:26.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% How do we address these issues for our seniors? 34:26.400 --> 34:28.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Dr. Meunier] I think you have to 34:28.200 --> 34:29.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% work with it in two different ways. 34:29.933 --> 34:33.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% One is the stigma about getting mental health services. 34:33.533 --> 34:36.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% The stigma about acknowledging depression, 34:36.933 --> 34:39.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or seeking the services of a professional, 34:39.266 --> 34:43.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% is going to be much greater in an elderly population. 34:43.200 --> 34:47.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And very often I get calls from their children, 34:47.100 --> 34:50.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% saying, my mother will refuses to come see you. 34:50.166 --> 34:52.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But I know she needs to see somebody. 34:52.300 --> 34:54.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I know we need to get an assessment. 34:54.666 --> 34:57.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And again I think, having staff members 34:57.000 --> 35:00.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that speak the language, but also thinking 35:00.600 --> 35:03.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% outside the box, Asian Americans are not gonna 35:03.366 --> 35:06.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% come to clinics to get services. 35:06.266 --> 35:08.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Having more community education, 35:08.566 --> 35:10.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% having more community outreach, 35:10.700 --> 35:14.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% really providing services where they are, 35:14.800 --> 35:16.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is I think one thing we have to look at doing. 35:16.800 --> 35:18.200 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% - [Esther] Yes. 35:18.200 --> 35:19.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Linda] And that is something that I do feel, 35:19.533 --> 35:22.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% as part of a service agency, 35:22.200 --> 35:25.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that we are missing in Austin. 35:25.200 --> 35:28.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I have seen wonderful models in other communities 35:28.966 --> 35:31.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% where their services do go - [Dr. Meunier] That's right. 35:31.033 --> 35:33.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Linda] to the specific populations. 35:33.166 --> 35:36.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And the implementation and the administration 35:36.366 --> 35:39.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of those services, it really, the idea behind it, 35:39.900 --> 35:41.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is wonderful, but it really depends on 35:41.833 --> 35:45.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% what are the resources that comes in and support that. 35:45.833 --> 35:48.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So, and that's something that I wish 35:48.166 --> 35:51.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that the city of Austin, I wish that our state 35:51.500 --> 35:54.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% will take the lead on, knowing that we have 35:54.333 --> 35:58.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a very fast growing population in Texas. 35:58.033 --> 36:00.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Dr. Meunier] Would you agree that both city and state 36:00.833 --> 36:03.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% agencies are way behind the reality 36:03.566 --> 36:04.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Oh goodness yes. - [Dr. Meunier] of our 36:04.800 --> 36:05.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% population? - [Linda] I've been doing this 36:05.933 --> 36:07.333 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% job for 10 years now. 36:07.333 --> 36:08.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I could tell you that - [Dr. Meunier] Yeah. 36:08.533 --> 36:10.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Linda] a decade ago, and it's still-- 36:10.000 --> 36:11.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Dr. Meunier] And it hasn't changed! 36:11.233 --> 36:15.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - It has not changed, and I think it's a push 36:15.866 --> 36:17.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% from not only city and state. 36:17.533 --> 36:21.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It's federal, it's also private groups, and I think 36:21.366 --> 36:24.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% it's a community, it needs a community approach. 36:24.766 --> 36:27.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% A holistic community approach. 36:27.233 --> 36:30.666 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - And when we talk about issues, 36:30.666 --> 36:34.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a lot of it is, in common, those problems 36:34.533 --> 36:37.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% are held in common with the Hispanic community as well. 36:37.400 --> 36:39.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Immigrant communities in general 36:39.100 --> 36:40.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that have language barriers. 36:40.833 --> 36:44.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And I think those represent, those situations represent 36:44.133 --> 36:46.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% an opportunity to build alliances. 36:46.233 --> 36:48.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% You know, to reach out to other immigrant communities 36:48.700 --> 36:51.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and make sure that we're working together 36:51.800 --> 36:54.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to make sure that those service access, 36:54.166 --> 36:56.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that kind of access to services exist. 36:56.700 --> 36:59.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And honestly, just the senior population in general, 36:59.133 --> 37:01.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% whether they're immigrant or not, 37:01.033 --> 37:03.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% face a lot of issues about transportation, 37:03.400 --> 37:06.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% isolation, access to different services. 37:06.433 --> 37:08.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And I think again, you know, our ability 37:08.600 --> 37:12.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to network and build coalitions that can push 37:12.266 --> 37:16.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% for those issues together would help us a lot as well. 37:16.900 --> 37:18.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Esther] Let's switch gears and talk about 37:18.466 --> 37:21.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the student population here in Austin. 37:21.300 --> 37:22.966 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Particularly UT. 37:23.666 --> 37:25.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Tell us, I think most people don't realize 37:25.800 --> 37:27.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% how high the population is here, 37:27.533 --> 37:31.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is about 18% to 19% now, Asian Americans at UT. 37:32.033 --> 37:33.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So-- - [Dr. Meunier] That's just 37:33.166 --> 37:34.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the ones that identify themselves as 37:34.600 --> 37:35.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Asian American. - Correct, correct! 37:35.800 --> 37:36.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Snehal] You know, the ones we can tell 37:36.800 --> 37:38.000 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% by last name. - (laughs) 37:38.000 --> 37:39.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Snehal] We can't ask for racial identity 37:39.333 --> 37:40.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% on any of the, sort of forms right? 37:40.900 --> 37:44.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Well, that's part of the changes after the 37:44.300 --> 37:46.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% changes to affirmative action, right? 37:46.833 --> 37:49.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So, we have to guess by, on the basis of last names 37:49.500 --> 37:50.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% how people identify. - [Esther] Wow. 37:50.900 --> 37:55.633 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% Okay. So this number could be very undercounted. 37:56.200 --> 38:00.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So, regardless, it's a big population 38:00.766 --> 38:02.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that's here in Austin, whether temporarily, 38:02.700 --> 38:05.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% or they, you know, most of them really wanna stay here. 38:05.400 --> 38:07.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Tell us how are they doing with their mental health 38:07.700 --> 38:10.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and what can we do to, I guess, help them 38:10.233 --> 38:12.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% or serve them more effectively. 38:12.333 --> 38:14.166 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - [Snehal] Oh, I wish... 38:14.166 --> 38:15.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I wish that there were more specialists in this issue, 38:15.700 --> 38:17.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% but I can only tell you things sort of anecdotally, 38:17.433 --> 38:20.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that I think that there is a stigma 38:20.700 --> 38:23.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% about being an underachiever if you're Asian American. 38:23.100 --> 38:26.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I think people are less likely to seek out tutorial services 38:26.133 --> 38:29.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% or get mental health help, if they are Asian American. 38:29.466 --> 38:31.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We do know for instance that Muslim Americans 38:31.733 --> 38:34.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% tend to spend as little time on campus as possible. 38:34.833 --> 38:38.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So, especially immigrant Muslims who come here from Gulf, 38:38.566 --> 38:41.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or other Middle Eastern countries, tend to leave 38:41.933 --> 38:44.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% as quickly as they can and go back to essentially 38:44.433 --> 38:48.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% segregated pools of Arab speaking, you know, friends. 38:48.466 --> 38:51.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And so there is a kind of alienation, 38:51.433 --> 38:54.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% or sense anyway that you're going to be seen 38:54.300 --> 38:59.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% as not part of the UT community or campus. 38:59.233 --> 39:01.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I think that's also true for it now because UT serves 39:01.633 --> 39:05.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% so many Chinese immigrants who are coming here. 39:05.500 --> 39:07.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% East Asian immigrants more generally here are coming here 39:07.366 --> 39:08.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% directly from those countries, right? 39:08.733 --> 39:11.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So, this is no longer simply first generation being 39:11.833 --> 39:13.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you know, people like my parent's generation. 39:13.400 --> 39:14.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We're talking about kid who are coming here 39:14.633 --> 39:19.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% as UT tries to reach out to the rest of Asia, 39:19.200 --> 39:21.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and build partnerships with Asian universities 39:21.300 --> 39:23.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and bring over Asian students here. 39:23.433 --> 39:26.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But there are really serious needs that don't always get met 39:26.200 --> 39:28.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% because of the same issues. 39:28.166 --> 39:31.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Just one anecdotal example. 39:31.900 --> 39:34.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Vietnamese, if I'm not mistaken, is the third 39:34.433 --> 39:37.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% most commonly spoken language in Texas. 39:37.500 --> 39:39.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But five years ago, UT did away with 39:39.100 --> 39:40.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% the Vietnamese language program 39:40.866 --> 39:43.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because it was making a round of budget cuts, 39:43.433 --> 39:45.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and that became the thing to cut. 39:45.366 --> 39:47.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Those kinds of things effect a student population, 39:47.533 --> 39:50.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% which can tell when it's seen as irrelevant to, 39:50.700 --> 39:52.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and their education is seen as relevant 39:52.200 --> 39:54.333 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% to what UT does, or not. 39:54.333 --> 39:56.700 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% And I think that the slow whittling away 39:56.700 --> 39:59.100 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% of things like the Asian American Studies Program at UT 39:59.100 --> 40:01.866 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% also are reflective of a lack of priority 40:01.866 --> 40:04.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% put on Asian Americans, unless they're in stem fields. 40:04.833 --> 40:06.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% In which case, there's a, you know, different way 40:06.733 --> 40:08.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that they're treated and understood on-- 40:08.866 --> 40:10.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Dr. Meunier] Can I-- - [Richard] In addressing 40:10.766 --> 40:12.533 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% that issue at UT, 40:14.866 --> 40:16.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% mental health in a lot of cases for, I think, 40:16.600 --> 40:19.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Asian American students, if there is a conflict internally 40:19.833 --> 40:23.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% about whether you're being seen as an American, you know, 40:24.766 --> 40:27.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% an Asian American studies department that teaches 40:27.233 --> 40:30.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the history of Asian American, which is taught nowhere. 40:30.600 --> 40:32.500 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% You know, high school textbooks don't have them, 40:32.500 --> 40:33.933 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% elementary school textbook. 40:33.933 --> 40:37.266 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% You know, you are foreigners because you don't exist 40:37.266 --> 40:39.700 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% in the histories of this country. 40:39.700 --> 40:41.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% That needs to be taught because 40:41.366 --> 40:44.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% students going to those classes get exposure to the fact 40:44.100 --> 40:46.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that yes, Asians have been in this country 40:46.766 --> 40:48.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% for a really long time. 40:48.033 --> 40:49.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% They helped build this country, 40:49.000 --> 40:50.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% they're a part of this country. 40:50.433 --> 40:54.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% When I go to the annual, you know, Martin Luther King 40:54.366 --> 40:58.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% march at UT, and I hear the president of the university 40:58.366 --> 41:01.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% talk about civil rights leaders, but doesn't mention one 41:01.766 --> 41:04.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% single Asian American civil rights leader. 41:04.666 --> 41:07.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% No Laureate Leungs, no civil rights leaders 41:07.900 --> 41:10.466 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% that have contributed to changing the laws in this country 41:10.466 --> 41:12.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% so that, you know, everyone has... 41:12.800 --> 41:16.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% That is a huge impact, I think, that could be positive 41:16.533 --> 41:19.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% on the mental health of Asians and Asian American students 41:19.833 --> 41:22.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% at UT and other places, is to understand, 41:22.433 --> 41:25.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% yes, we are a part of the fabric of this country. 41:25.100 --> 41:27.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Dr. Meunier] I did my dissertation at UT actually, 41:27.533 --> 41:30.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% on mental health among Asian populations. 41:30.800 --> 41:33.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And one of the things, one of the problems, 41:33.566 --> 41:36.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that I then identified was that there are these silos. 41:36.900 --> 41:40.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% You go for advising, academic advising to one place, 41:40.733 --> 41:44.900 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% and you go from mental health services someplace else. 41:45.000 --> 41:47.166 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% Most Asian students 41:47.166 --> 41:49.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% come into the mental health system 41:49.666 --> 41:51.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% because they're having difficulties. 41:51.700 --> 41:54.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Particularly at a university in their academics. 41:54.366 --> 41:58.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% That is where it's okay to seek help. 41:58.000 --> 42:01.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But if they go to an academic advising center, 42:01.300 --> 42:03.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and they're never referred 42:03.033 --> 42:06.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% or the person who's doing the academic advising 42:06.133 --> 42:08.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% really doesn't have the training, to diagnose 42:08.800 --> 42:12.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% or see that this person needs mental health services, 42:12.166 --> 42:14.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% what you're gonna have, is miss out 42:14.533 --> 42:18.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% on a whole bunch of students, who really should 42:18.200 --> 42:20.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% be getting both services, right. 42:20.533 --> 42:23.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Who's academic difficulties are actually 42:23.800 --> 42:26.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a result of mental health difficulties. 42:26.600 --> 42:29.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And I think a big part of that is missed, 42:29.000 --> 42:30.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% because, and it's not just UT. 42:30.633 --> 42:33.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I think other universities in Austin do the same thing. 42:33.800 --> 42:36.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% There's this difference between academic advising 42:36.466 --> 42:38.166 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and mental health services, 42:38.166 --> 42:41.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and Asian students in particular 42:41.133 --> 42:44.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% need the two to be integrated and provided 42:44.500 --> 42:46.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% in a single stream. 42:46.500 --> 42:49.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Linda] There has been a lot of awareness brought on, 42:49.766 --> 42:52.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you know, mental health issues with 42:52.566 --> 42:54.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% university students. 42:54.300 --> 42:57.900 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% We have seen, I wouldn't say higher rates 42:57.900 --> 43:00.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but we have seen more stories of suicide. 43:00.733 --> 43:04.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And sometimes, you know, again it goes back to 43:04.266 --> 43:06.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% internalizing that model minority myth. 43:06.466 --> 43:09.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% That pressures, the external pressures, 43:09.100 --> 43:11.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% trying to keep up with expectations 43:11.533 --> 43:14.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and it needs to be, I think that, 43:14.533 --> 43:16.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% there needs to be specific programming. 43:16.400 --> 43:18.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% There needs to be 43:18.400 --> 43:22.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a very specific response to this problem. 43:23.566 --> 43:25.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - For the last part of our discussion, 43:25.300 --> 43:29.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% let's turn to the topic of socioeconomics. 43:29.300 --> 43:31.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Linda, let's start with you. 43:31.333 --> 43:33.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Census numbers say Asian Americans in Austin 43:33.433 --> 43:35.500 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% come from middle class families, 43:35.500 --> 43:38.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% are high skilled and highly educated. 43:38.300 --> 43:41.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Is the picture really that rosy and is that accurate? 43:42.933 --> 43:45.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - No. It's not accurate. 43:45.500 --> 43:48.233 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% And, you know, I work 43:48.233 --> 43:50.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% with communities every day. 43:50.933 --> 43:53.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% My staff work with underserved communities 43:53.533 --> 43:57.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and we, you know, we're talking about 43:57.400 --> 44:00.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% accessing colleges, or accessing university, 44:00.766 --> 44:02.366 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% or higher education. 44:02.366 --> 44:06.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And there are communities that are not 44:06.433 --> 44:08.333 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% graduating high school. 44:08.333 --> 44:09.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% There are communities, you know, 44:09.733 --> 44:13.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% we've got the Mang community, the Vietnamese groups, 44:13.166 --> 44:16.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a lot of South Cambodian, Lao groups, 44:16.300 --> 44:20.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% who live in the lower socioeconomic... 44:21.400 --> 44:22.533 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% environments. 44:22.533 --> 44:26.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And sometimes, I feel that, you know, 44:26.733 --> 44:30.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the achievements of our community overshadows 44:30.533 --> 44:32.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the needs, and that in the reality, 44:32.833 --> 44:37.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that most of our fellow community members are living in. 44:38.933 --> 44:41.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And working within the social services field, 44:41.766 --> 44:43.100 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% we see it every day. 44:43.100 --> 44:47.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We see folks who need to access benefits. 44:47.233 --> 44:51.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Federal benefits, whether it's SNAP or TANF. 44:51.266 --> 44:54.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And they're having a hard time doing that. 44:54.333 --> 44:56.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% One, it's, it comes down to language access. 44:56.733 --> 44:58.766 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% The second piece is knowing where 44:58.766 --> 45:00.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that support is coming from. 45:00.466 --> 45:04.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And overall, you know, when it comes to the social services 45:05.100 --> 45:09.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% fabric of our country and also of our state, 45:09.400 --> 45:11.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% the funding has been cut. 45:11.000 --> 45:12.533 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% So it effects everyone. 45:12.533 --> 45:15.100 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But for those who are most isolated, 45:15.100 --> 45:17.100 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% most vulnerable, they're the ones 45:17.100 --> 45:20.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% who are being impacted the most. 45:21.600 --> 45:23.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - We talked about the refugee community 45:23.700 --> 45:25.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and how it's growing here in Austin, 45:25.500 --> 45:27.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% but also in the nation. 45:28.266 --> 45:29.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% What are some of the challenges they face 45:29.800 --> 45:31.066 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% besides the ones you've mentioned 45:31.066 --> 45:33.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and what is our civic responsibility 45:33.800 --> 45:37.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% as Austinites, to this population? 45:37.166 --> 45:39.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - I think the biggest piece is, 45:39.433 --> 45:43.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% as Asian, Asian Americans, or Pacific Islanders, 45:43.666 --> 45:46.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% those of us who have actually walked through the door, 45:46.333 --> 45:49.933 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% kind of keep the door open for others to walk through. 45:50.933 --> 45:53.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I think that it is something that is somewhat 45:53.200 --> 45:54.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% missed within our communities. 45:54.933 --> 45:58.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% We, again, we focus on the achievements 45:58.466 --> 46:00.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and we need to really think about 46:00.866 --> 46:03.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% what those specific challenges are. 46:03.766 --> 46:05.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So there is a responsibility. 46:05.733 --> 46:08.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I do feel like there is a responsibility 46:08.233 --> 46:09.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% in the community to make sure 46:09.933 --> 46:12.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% that those issues are 46:12.866 --> 46:15.333 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% not being forgotten. 46:16.533 --> 46:18.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Really, it comes down to, you know, 46:18.766 --> 46:22.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% with the refugee population coming in. 46:22.933 --> 46:27.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% A lot of refugees are settled. They are saddled with debt. 46:27.733 --> 46:32.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% They have to pay back their plane tickets. 46:32.333 --> 46:34.066 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% They have to-- - [Esther] Oh. 46:34.066 --> 46:36.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Most of the refugees we work with, 46:36.133 --> 46:38.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% come with high loads of debt. 46:38.666 --> 46:40.833 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% And it's hard. 46:40.833 --> 46:44.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It's very hard for folks to find access to jobs. 46:44.933 --> 46:46.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It's very hard for them to find something 46:46.966 --> 46:49.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% that will sustain their family, and then have to pay back 46:49.800 --> 46:51.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% this debt to the government. 46:51.900 --> 46:53.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - [Dr. Meunier] One of the things that a lot of people 46:53.466 --> 46:57.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% don't know is that a lot of refugees were highly skilled 46:57.433 --> 47:00.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% professional workers in their countries. 47:00.533 --> 47:03.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So doctors, engineers, when they come here 47:03.566 --> 47:06.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% as refugees, they're settled and often 47:06.600 --> 47:09.133 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% given jobs that are way below 47:09.133 --> 47:11.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% their educational technical levels. 47:11.200 --> 47:13.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And my wish would be that we would have 47:13.933 --> 47:16.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% kind of a public, private partnership. 47:16.633 --> 47:18.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% The State Department comes in 47:18.700 --> 47:21.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and works with certain agencies to place 47:21.633 --> 47:24.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% refugees and provide basic necessities, 47:24.766 --> 47:27.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but really doesn't go beyond that, 47:27.666 --> 47:30.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in creating partnerships with businesses, 47:30.966 --> 47:33.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that would love to have a highly technical, 47:33.733 --> 47:37.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% highly skilled person, providing services 47:37.033 --> 47:39.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% but don't know how to access 47:39.800 --> 47:41.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% the refugees where they are. 47:41.933 --> 47:43.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Esther] Let's turn one last time 47:43.533 --> 47:46.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% to our audience members, to hear their questions. 47:46.400 --> 47:48.266 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% The first question. 47:48.266 --> 47:50.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Recent refugees come from countries 47:50.533 --> 47:52.533 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% where they were disenfranchised. 47:52.533 --> 47:54.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% How can Austin government institutions 47:54.233 --> 47:57.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% build trust with these communities? 47:58.400 --> 48:00.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - That's a great question. - Include them. 48:00.700 --> 48:02.633 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% Include folks. 48:02.700 --> 48:06.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% What I see a lot is, we have a tendency to tokenize. 48:06.400 --> 48:08.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You know, we'll bring people to the table, 48:08.133 --> 48:09.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but we put them at the children's seat. 48:09.900 --> 48:13.033 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% And I think that 48:14.600 --> 48:16.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% first of all, language. 48:16.466 --> 48:18.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You know, you have to communicate. 48:18.700 --> 48:20.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You have to be able to communicate 48:20.733 --> 48:22.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% with new refugees coming in. 48:22.700 --> 48:25.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And I just don't see enough services 48:25.600 --> 48:27.066 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% that can do that. 48:27.066 --> 48:30.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% There's just not, has been enough language capacity. 48:30.833 --> 48:34.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And I just go back to the original piece, you know. 48:34.200 --> 48:36.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Actually being genuine, 48:36.300 --> 48:38.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% when we're asking for information. 48:38.433 --> 48:41.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% When we are asking 48:41.033 --> 48:44.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% how to be inclusive of the refugee community. 48:44.566 --> 48:47.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% That we're not just gonna ask one or two people, 48:47.433 --> 48:48.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and then say, you guys speak 48:48.966 --> 48:50.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% for the entire refugee community. 48:50.933 --> 48:53.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You need to bring in multiple viewpoints. 48:53.733 --> 48:56.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And so that's how I feel that 48:56.066 --> 48:59.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the city of Austin could improve upon relationships. 48:59.566 --> 49:00.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% - [Dr. Meunier] I also think 49:00.766 --> 49:02.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the disenfranchisement that they face 49:02.900 --> 49:05.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is much greater in the refugee experience, 49:05.766 --> 49:08.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% sometimes than in the home country experience. 49:08.366 --> 49:11.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Because just being resettled, 49:11.200 --> 49:14.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the way it goes through the different processes 49:14.666 --> 49:16.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% of coming to America, is just as 49:16.966 --> 49:18.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% or more disenfranchising. 49:18.866 --> 49:21.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And if we can really be sensitive to that, 49:21.533 --> 49:24.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and we can really begin to be more welcoming 49:24.433 --> 49:26.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and you know, a lot of refugees are terrified 49:26.766 --> 49:29.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% of losing their status if they do the wrong thing. 49:29.566 --> 49:33.066 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And if we can really provide more community education, 49:33.066 --> 49:35.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% about what their rights are, what they can do, 49:35.766 --> 49:37.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I think we'll see a difference there. 49:37.833 --> 49:38.900 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% - [Esther] Great. 49:38.900 --> 49:40.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% The second question is, 49:40.466 --> 49:42.833 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% which communities or areas of Austin 49:42.833 --> 49:47.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% do a good job of engaging the Asian American population? 49:51.533 --> 49:53.166 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% (laughter) 49:53.166 --> 49:56.133 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Silence. (laughs) 49:59.066 --> 50:00.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Dr. Meunier] Well you know, I was thinking 50:00.233 --> 50:03.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in terms of certain parts of Austin 50:03.800 --> 50:07.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% have just welcomed Asian small business owners. 50:08.466 --> 50:12.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I'm thinking of, sort of the North Lamar area. 50:12.633 --> 50:15.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% There's many more, like, when they see 50:15.766 --> 50:18.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Asian businesses on one side of the street, 50:18.333 --> 50:21.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% you're likely to see more willing to open 50:21.133 --> 50:23.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% businesses on the other side of the street. 50:23.266 --> 50:26.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So, one way that I think Austin 50:26.833 --> 50:29.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% has welcomed Asian Americans is through 50:29.200 --> 50:31.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the small business administration. 50:31.400 --> 50:35.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Through providing that kind of 50:35.000 --> 50:36.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% business community. 50:36.666 --> 50:40.633 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% But it's localized. It's localized in certain neighborhoods. 50:40.633 --> 50:44.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It's not really integrated into all of Austin. 50:45.233 --> 50:47.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Linda] You know, I have noticed that, 50:47.733 --> 50:51.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you know, I'm just gonna speak of a geographical area. 50:51.166 --> 50:56.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% A lot of the community advocates from 50:56.000 --> 50:59.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the East Rundberg area and East Austin, 50:59.700 --> 51:03.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% have been extremely open to having 51:03.366 --> 51:06.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% discussions with the Asian community. 51:06.300 --> 51:09.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Because I think there's a shared struggle there. 51:09.200 --> 51:12.300 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% There's a shared struggle and so, 51:12.300 --> 51:14.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I have seen community members, 51:14.866 --> 51:18.766 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you know, politicians who are from certain parts 51:18.766 --> 51:22.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% of East Austin, that have been a little bit, 51:22.500 --> 51:24.233 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% have been engaging. 51:24.233 --> 51:27.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And so that's extremely positive. 51:27.033 --> 51:29.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Richard] You know, at the same time I mean, 51:29.800 --> 51:30.933 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% it's a little bit off topic, 51:30.933 --> 51:33.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% but based on the last two questions, 51:33.433 --> 51:35.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I think one thing we as 51:35.966 --> 51:39.266 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% a community that's more or less been forgotten 51:39.266 --> 51:42.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% until maybe recently with the population growth, 51:42.633 --> 51:44.533 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% we have to make sure we don't forget other communities. 51:44.533 --> 51:46.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And you know, we already mentioned the Iraqi community. 51:46.466 --> 51:49.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% But there are also African immigrant communities here. 51:49.666 --> 51:52.566 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% There are refugees from Africa 51:52.933 --> 51:54.200 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% that have been resettled here. 51:54.200 --> 51:57.600 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So, I think, you know, what Linda said earlier, 51:57.600 --> 51:58.733 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% keeping that door open. 51:58.733 --> 52:00.666 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Part of that means is, you know, 52:00.666 --> 52:01.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% what that means to me is, 52:01.833 --> 52:04.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% is that we're constantly looking out 52:04.200 --> 52:06.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% for other populations that are even smaller. 52:06.533 --> 52:09.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% That are more isolated and that need 52:09.033 --> 52:10.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% just as much help. - [Linda] Yeah. 52:10.500 --> 52:13.400 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% At AFSA, we've, you know, I kid. 52:13.400 --> 52:16.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I go into the office, and it's not we're just serving 52:16.100 --> 52:17.700 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% the Asian community. 52:17.700 --> 52:20.700 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% We are seeing folks from Eastern European countries, 52:20.700 --> 52:23.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% from deep South America, 52:23.433 --> 52:28.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% African nations, and so we're taking 52:28.066 --> 52:30.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% those folks and then providing services 52:30.233 --> 52:32.633 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% because they're culturally specific services. 52:32.633 --> 52:34.900 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And, you know, we're not the experts 52:34.900 --> 52:35.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% on the Asian community. 52:35.933 --> 52:38.633 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And I highly suspect anybody 52:38.633 --> 52:40.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% who says that they are. 52:40.866 --> 52:43.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But what we can do is actually just 52:43.500 --> 52:45.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% communicate on an individual level, 52:45.766 --> 52:50.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and understand what those common ground areas are. 52:50.000 --> 52:52.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Understand what the shared trauma is. 52:52.766 --> 52:55.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% So, I agree with you. 52:55.033 --> 52:58.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It's really about connecting with other communities 52:58.900 --> 53:01.366 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% and having that common ground. 53:01.366 --> 53:02.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - Can I put a different spin on this question? 53:02.866 --> 53:04.566 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% Which is that... - [Esther] Yes. 53:04.566 --> 53:05.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% - [Snehal] I think it's really important 53:05.500 --> 53:06.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% to talk about refugees. 53:06.933 --> 53:08.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I also think it's really important to remember that 53:08.800 --> 53:10.333 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% even if we disaggregate Asia 53:10.333 --> 53:12.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% into its different national groups, 53:12.866 --> 53:15.666 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% people come from different class backgrounds 53:15.666 --> 53:18.133 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and different ethnic groups within nations. 53:18.133 --> 53:20.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And so, it is not even the case that, you know, 53:20.866 --> 53:23.300 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% you can say... 53:23.300 --> 53:25.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% all Indians feel x about something. 53:25.766 --> 53:27.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And in fact, there are quite deep divisions 53:27.300 --> 53:31.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% within both Indian and Pakistani communities here in Texas. 53:31.133 --> 53:35.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% So if you think about having the Muslims from Pakistan 53:35.000 --> 53:37.166 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% face very different conditions than to 53:37.166 --> 53:39.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Sunni Muslims from Pakistan. 53:39.466 --> 53:42.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I was just thinking about a very recent example which is, 53:42.133 --> 53:45.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the deep divisions that exist in Indian communities 53:45.600 --> 53:47.600 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% about politics back in India. 53:47.600 --> 53:50.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So, Narendra Modi, the... 53:51.833 --> 53:53.033 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I don't know what to 53:53.033 --> 53:54.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% what adjective to use to describe him 53:54.766 --> 53:58.000 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% but genocidal, 53:58.000 --> 53:59.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% former Chief Minister of Gujarat, 53:59.500 --> 54:01.166 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and current Prime Minister of India is about to visit 54:01.166 --> 54:02.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% the United States, and there are deep debates 54:02.800 --> 54:06.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% within Indian communities about whether this is appropriate. 54:06.200 --> 54:08.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Whether we should all support him. 54:08.366 --> 54:09.800 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Somebody mentioned textbooks earlier. 54:09.800 --> 54:11.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It's also the case that, you know, 54:11.366 --> 54:14.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% certain conservative Hindu organizations want 54:14.733 --> 54:16.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% college textbooks and high school textbooks 54:16.400 --> 54:18.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% to read a certain way when they describe Hinduism. 54:18.800 --> 54:20.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Which is not always the way 54:20.033 --> 54:21.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that everybody sees these questions. 54:21.533 --> 54:24.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So I think that, it's not 54:24.433 --> 54:27.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% even the case that, you know, we can 54:27.300 --> 54:29.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% reduce the questions of government and politics 54:29.433 --> 54:30.866 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% to questions of accents. 54:30.866 --> 54:32.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% There's also deep political divisions 54:32.566 --> 54:35.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that exist within, so for instance, you know, 54:35.333 --> 54:38.133 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the Vietnam War is still a politically debated issue 54:38.133 --> 54:39.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% in Vietnamese households. 54:39.700 --> 54:43.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% We can't pretend though that's not actually the case. 54:43.366 --> 54:46.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And so, I think that there are issues of sensitivity 54:46.966 --> 54:49.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% and issues of training that are definitely important, 54:49.000 --> 54:50.000 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% but I don't think all of these 54:50.000 --> 54:51.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% are reducible to understanding. 54:51.433 --> 54:53.400 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I actually think that some of these are 54:53.400 --> 54:55.933 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% questions that are going to require 54:55.933 --> 54:57.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% deep changes in a whole lot of things 54:57.633 --> 55:01.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% before they're resolved effectively because 55:02.233 --> 55:04.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% the number of dinner table arguments I've gotten into 55:04.600 --> 55:07.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% about Narendra Modi, its... 55:07.166 --> 55:08.666 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Anyway, we all have these debates right? 55:08.666 --> 55:12.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So, there are I think, issues that we should 55:12.033 --> 55:15.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% think through and it's important to bear in mind 55:15.466 --> 55:17.866 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% that not everybody who comes from 55:17.866 --> 55:20.066 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% national context brings with them 55:20.066 --> 55:21.466 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% the same things - [Esther] Yes. 55:21.466 --> 55:22.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - from that national context. - [Esther] Absolutely. 55:22.833 --> 55:24.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - And, doesn't understand the national context 55:24.600 --> 55:27.800 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% or conceive of the national context in the same way 55:27.800 --> 55:30.566 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% in this country, and the ways that categories work, 55:30.566 --> 55:32.200 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% and the way boxes work, no matter how much 55:32.200 --> 55:34.433 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% we advocate for them, still tend to reduce 55:34.433 --> 55:38.900 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% some of those differences out of our discussions. 55:38.900 --> 55:41.733 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% - Well that's all the time we have for tonight's discussion. 55:41.733 --> 55:43.266 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% You can find all of the 55:43.266 --> 55:45.900 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% Austin Revealed: Pioneers of the East series 55:45.900 --> 55:47.966 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% by visiting klru.org. 55:47.966 --> 55:51.266 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% 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