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LOWER PROPERTY TAXES.

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CAROL?

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>> BRANDIS, ILLINOIS HAS SOME OF

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THE HIGHEST PROPERTY TAXES IN

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THE COUNTRY WHICH MANY BLAMED ON

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THE EXODUS THE POPULATION EXODUS

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FROM THE STATE IN RECENT YEARS.

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LAST SPRING THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

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ESTABLISHED A BIPARTISAN TASK

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FORCE TO TACKLE THE PROPERTY TAX

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ISSUE.

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BUT THAT TASK FORCE IN A DRAFT

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REPORT OF ITS RECOMMENDATIONS

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ARE NOW BEING ATTACKED BY

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REPUBLICANS WHO SAY THEIR IDEAS

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AND CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE BEEN

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IGNORED.

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IS THAT THE CASE?

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AND IF IT IS, IS PROPERTY TAX

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REFORM IN ILLINOIS ONCE AGAIN

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DEAD IN THE WATER?

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JOINING US NOW ARE TWO OF THE

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TASK FORCE'S COCHAIRS, STATE

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REPRESENTATIVE MARY FLOWERS, A

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DEMOCRAT REPRESENTING THE 31ST

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DIRECT TRICK WHICH INCLUDES THE

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SOUTH SIDE AND SOUTH SUBURBS AND

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DEANNE MAZZOCHI A REPUBLICAN

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FROM WESTMONT WHO REPRESENTS THE

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47TH DISTRICT.

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WELCOME BOTH OF YOU TO "CHICAGO

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TONIGHT."

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REPRESENTATIVE FLOWERS WE HAVE

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BEEN AROUND A LONGTIME AND SEEN

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A LOT OF TASK FORCES COME AND

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GO.

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MANY OF THEM ARE ABOUT OPTICS,

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RESULTING IN LITTLE OR NO

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ACTION.

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IS THIS ONE OF THEM?

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>> NO.

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THIS IS DIFFERENT.

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YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS THE

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TIMING AND THE TIMING IS RIGHT

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FOR CHANGES HERE IN THE STATE OF

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ILLINOIS.

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THIS IS NOT ONLY A CHICAGO

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PROBLEM IT IS A STATE OF

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ILLINOIS PROBLEM.

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AND PEOPLE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF

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LOSING THEIR HOMES.

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THEIR HOMES PAID FOR BUT THEY

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CANNOT AFFORD THEIR PROPERTY

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TAXES.

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THAT IS NUMBER ONE.

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AND THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE

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"CHICAGO TRIBUNE" TITLED THE TAX

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DIVIDE.

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AND IT TALKED ABOUT THE

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DISCREPANCY AND THE RACISM

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THAT'S IN ASSESSING THE

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PROPERTIES AND THE PEOPLE ON THE

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SOUTH AND WEST SIDE OF THE CITY

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OF CHICAGO IS PAYING MORE SO WE

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ARE SUBSIDIZING THE RICH AND

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THAT IS HAPPENING IN CHICAGO AND

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DOWN STATE IN COLES COUNTY THEY

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ARE HAVING THE SAME PROBLEMS.

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>> DEANNE MAZZOCHI YOUR TAKE ON

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THE TASK FORCE?

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IS IT OPTICS OR ACTION?

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>> THUS FAR WE HAVE NOT SEEN

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MUCH IN THE WAY OF ACTION AND WE

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ARE CONCERNED AND THE GOVERNOR

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SAID THAT HE EXPECTED FROM THE

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TASK FORCE THAT MEMBERS WERE

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GOING TO THINK BIG AND WHAT

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WE'VE SEEN IS THAT THERE IS A

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LOT OF THINKING SMALL.

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IF YOU WANT TO THINK BIG YOU

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NEED TO TALK ABOUT STRUCTURAL

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REFORM AND TACKLE THE ISSUES THE

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PENSIONS AND TALK ABOUT

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EDUCATION --

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>> AND THAT IS NOT HAPPENING?

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>> YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT

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THE DRAFT THAT WAS PROPOSED, YOU

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KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT THOSE

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TYPES OF THINGS ARE GOING TO

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LEAD TO THE REAL REFORM PEOPLE

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ARE LOOKING AT SO THEY ARE GOING

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TO EXPERIENCE REAL PROPERTY TAX

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RELIEF.

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WE PUT FORTH A SERIES OF

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DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT COULD BE

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DONE NOT ONLY THE PENSION

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REFORM.

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GETTING RID OF EDUCATIONAL

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MANDATES WHICH DRIVE UP --

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>> MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT

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THEY ARE.

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I MEAN, IN TERMS OF IT MEANS

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THAT A SCHOOL IS TOLD TO DO

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SOMETHING AND THEY HAVE TO PAY

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FOR IT, RIGHT?

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>> RIGHT.

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AND THE STATE OF ILLINOIS THOUGH

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WE HAVE A LAW THAT SAYS WE ARE

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NOT GOING TO DO THAT TO OUR

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SCHOOL BOARDS WHAT HAPPENS IS WE

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HAVE A MANDATE AND THEN WITHIN

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THE STATUTE IT WILL SAY BY THE

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WAY WE'RE WAIVING THE

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REQUIREMENTS OF THE MANDATE.

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>> REPRESENTATIVE FLOWERS IS

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THERE NOT A REAL CONVERSATION

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GOING ON ARE BIG THINGS NOT

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HAPPENING?

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>> FIRST OF ALL, THE WE'VE JUST

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TURNED IN OUR REPORT DECEMBER 31

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THAT WAS REQUIRED BYLAW.

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STATE STATUTE SAID WE HAD TO

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HAVE IT IN BY THE 31ST AND THAT

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IS WHAT WE DID.

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AND STATE STATUTE TALKS ABOUT

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THE RECOMMENDATIONS NOT ACTUAL

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LEGISLATION WE ARE GOING TO COME

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TOGETHER AND PULL ALL OF THE

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RECOMMENDATIONS TOGETHER.

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FRANKLY I HAVE NOT SEEN MY DEAR

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FRIEND'S RECOMMENDATIONS AT ALL

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BUT I'M GRACEFUL THAT MY

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COLLEAGUES --

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GRATEFUL THAT MY COLLEAGUES WORK

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WITH GOING ACROSS THE STATE

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REPRESENTATIVE TOM MORRISON WAS

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ON THE PHONE WHEN WE WENT TO A

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COUPLE OF THE HEARINGS.

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AND WHEN WE WENT TO COLE COUNTY,

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I HAD DARREN BAILEY, A

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REPUBLICAN AND DAN CAULK INAND

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BLAINE WILLHORN AND HE IS A

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REPUBLICAN.

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>> TOM DURKIN THE REPUBLICAN

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LEADER IN THE HOUSE HAD A NEWS

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CONFERENCE WITH DEDPE AND OTHERS

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SAYING THERE'S BEEN NO PROCESS

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AT ALL.

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WHAT WERE YOU TRYING TO SAY IN

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THAT NEWS CONFERENCE?

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>> SURE.

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WELL, ONE OF THE REASONS THERE

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HAS NOT BEEN AN APPROPRIATE

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PROCESS NUMBER ONE THE

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SUBCOMMITTEE HAS NOT MET --

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THE FULL COMMITTEE HASN'T MET

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SINCE OCTOBER.

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>> STOP THERE AND LET'S TAKE

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THAT.

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IS THAT THE CASE?

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>> FIRST, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO

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MEET.

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I HAD MY COMMITTEES GOING AROUND

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THE STATE.

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AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DID.

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AND WE CAME BACK WITH THE

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RECOMMENDATIONS.

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WE HEARD TESTIMONIES FROM THE

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PEOPLE THAT'S BEING MOST HARMED

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BY THESE TAXES.

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>> REPRESENTATIVE, DEANNE

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MAZZOCHI IS THAT NOT A

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CONSTRUCTIVE WAY TO GO AT IT AND

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LISTEN TO PEOPLE AND WHAT THEY

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THINK?

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>> I BELIEVE IN LISTENING TO

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PEOPLE.

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BUT PEOPLE WANT ACTION TO BE

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TAKEN AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

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IS THAT THE ACTION HASN'T BEEN

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TAKEN.

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THERE IS NO ACTUAL FINAL REPORT.

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BECAUSE THE FULL COMMITTEE

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HASN'T MET TO SAY YES THIS IS

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OUR REPORT.

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>> LET'S TAKE A FEW ISSUES IN

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THE LITTLE TIME WE HAVE.

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BECAUSE TIF DISTRICTS EVERYBODY

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AGREES NEED SOME SORT OF REPORT,

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CORRECT?

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>> ABSOLUTELY.

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THE LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE

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TIGHTENED.

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>> REPRESENTATIVE FLOWERS WHAT

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WOULD BE YOUR IDEAL ONE TIF

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REFORM THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO

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SEE HAPPEN?

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>> FIRST, THE TIF MONEY NEEDS TO

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GO TO THE COMMUNITIES WHICH IT'S

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SUPPOSED TO BE GOING TO TO

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REBUILD THE COMMUNITIES.

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>> WOULD THAT HELP PROPERTY

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TAXES?

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>> RIGHT NOW OUR PROPERTY AND

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THE VALUE --

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WE ARE BEING TAXED OUR PROPERTY

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IS BEING TAXED AT A HIGHER RATE

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AND THE VALUES OF OUR HOMES ARE

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LOWERED.

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BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITIES IS HAS

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BEEN ROBBED OF ITS RESOURCES.

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>> YOU WANT MONEY TO GO BACK

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INTO THE COMMUNITY.

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>> WHAT WOULD YOU DO, ONE TIF

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REFORM THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO

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SEE?

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>> THE BIG TIF PROBLEM IS MERE

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IN CHICAGO AND WORKING WELL DOWN

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STATE.

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I WOULD LOVE TO GET RID OF

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ALDERMANIC PRIVILEGE AND THE

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ETHICS CONCERNS THAT SWIRL

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AROUND THE TIF.

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>> BUT THAT IS NOT GOING TO HELP

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PROPERTY TAXES?

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>> IT WILL BECAUSE IF THE

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DEVELOPERS ARE GETTING

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SWEETHEART DEAL AND CAPTURE

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VALUES GOING INTO THE PET

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PROJECTS WITH THE CITY OF

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CHICAGO AND NOT DISTRIBUTED BACK

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TO THE COMMUNITY THAT ABSOLUTELY

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HURTS THE COMMUNITY.

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>> WE HAVE 800 SCHOOL DISTRICTS

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AND 7,000 UNITS OF GOVERNMENT.

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WHAT SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD YOU

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CONSOLIDATE?

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>> THE CONSOLIDATION HAS TO

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HAPPEN AT A LOCAL LEVEL.

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BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT

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YOU RUN INTO IS FOR DOWN STATE

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DISTRICTS THERE ARE INSTANCES

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WHERE YOU HAVE KIDS ON A BUS FOR

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OVER HOUR-AND-A-HALF A DAY.

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>> DO YOU HAVE A COUPLE IN MIND?

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>> AGAIN I AM A BELIEVER IN

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LOCAL CONTROL FOR SCHOOL BOARDS.

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IT'S DANGEROUS WHEN SPRINGFIELD

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IMPOSES THE TOP DOWN SOLUTIONS

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ON LOCAL PROBLEMS.

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I BELIEVE IN GIVING THE LOCAL

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SCHOOL DISTRICTS MORE

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OPPORTUNITIES TO ACTUALLY

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COMBINE THEMSELVES AND FIND THE

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SAVINGS.

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>> WHAT WOULD YOU CONSOLIDATE?

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WHAT SCHOOL DISTRICTS DO YOU

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THINK ARE PRIME?

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>> THERE IS A DIFFERENCE

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BETWEEN --

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THE TYPE OF CONSOLIDATION.

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I WOULD GET RID OF THE

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ADMINISTRATIVE PORTION.

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THE KIDS COULD CONTINUE TO GO TO

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THE SCHOOLS THAT THEY ARE GOING

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TO, BUT WE WILL ELIMINATE SOME

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OF THE LAWYERS AND THE

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ADMINISTRATORS.

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>> CAN YOU NAME ME A DISTRICT OR

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TWO?

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>> LOOK AT THE CITY OF CHICAGO.

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AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE

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VARIOUS TOWNS, SOME SCHOOL

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DISTRICTS HAVE MAYBE 100 KIDS

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AND IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE FOR THAT

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TO HAPPEN.

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>> DO WE THINK WE'RE STUCK WHERE

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WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN?

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ARE WE TALKING PAST EACH OTHER

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LEGISLATIVELY AND ARE THESE

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IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES?

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>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE'S

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LIVES AND RACISM IS ALIVE AND

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WELL AND HOW OUR PROPERTY HAS

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BEEN ASSESSED.

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THAT DISCUSSION MUST BE HAD.

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BECAUSE POOR PEOPLE ARE PUT OUT

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OF THEIR HOMES WHEN THEY HAD THE

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WEALTH IN THEIR HOMES BECAUSE

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THE HOMES WAS PAID FOR BUT THE

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WAY THE TAX HAS BEEN ASSESSED IS

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A PROBLEM.

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>> AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

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THE ASSESSMENT PROCESS ITSELF IS

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UNFAIR.

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SO WHILE WE RECOGNIZE THERE IS A

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PROBLEM WE ARE TRYING TO PROPOSE

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THE ACTUAL SOLUTIONS WHICH IS

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YOU NEED A MORE FAIR OBJECTIVE

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ASSESSMENT PROCESS.

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YOU DON'T NEED TO START TAKING

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ONE SUBJECTIVE PROCESS WITH A

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RANGE OF APPEALS THAT PROTECTS

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THE INSIDERS YOU NEED ONE THAT

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WILL WORK FOR HOMEOWNERS AND

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FAMILIES.