WEBVTT

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USE HIS PREPARATION.

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>>  THANK YOU.

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NOW TO CAROL MARIN AND THE 

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CANDIDATE WANTS TO BE ILLINOIS 

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COMPTROLLER.

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>>  THE RACE FOR COMPTROLLER 

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PITS INCUMBENT JUDY TOPINKA 

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AGAINST SHEILA SIMON.

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WHAT YOU MIGHT ASK DOES A 

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COMPTROLLER TO AND SHOULD THAT 

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OFFICE BE COMBINED WITH THE 

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TREASURER'S OFFICE TO SAVE CASH 

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STRAPPED STATE SOME MONEY?

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THE CANDIDATE ARE HERE TO 

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ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

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JOINING US IN THE ORDER THAT 

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THEY APPEAR ON THE BALLOT 

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DEMOCRAT, SHEILA SIMON CURRENT 

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LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OF ILLINOIS 

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AND INCUMBENT, JUDY BAR 

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TOPINKA.

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THIS IS NOT A FORMAL DEBATE THE 

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CANDIDATE WILL NOT GIVE OPENING 

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OR CLOSING STATEMENT AND 

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ANSWERS WILL NOT BE TIME.

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FAIRNESS IS OUR GUIDE.

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WE ASKED THE CANDIDATES AVOID 

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CAMPAIGN SPEECHES, ELLA 

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BLUSTERING AND STAY ON TOPIC 

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AND WE WILL MOVE RIGHT ALONG.

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WELCOME BOTH OF YOU.

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AM I SAYING THIS CORRECTLY 

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COMPTROLLER?

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>>  COMPTROLLER BUT THEN I AM 

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FROM SOUTHERN ILLINOIS.

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>>  I SAY CONTROLLER BECAUSE 

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THE P IS A BRITISH HOLDOVER AND 

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NOBODY WOULD KNOW WHAT WE ARE 

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TALKING ABOUT.

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>>  MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT 

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A COMPTROLLER DOES AND WHY WE 

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EVEN NEED ONE.

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SO TOPINKA WHITE DO WE NEED?

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>>  IT IS NOT THE AIR TRAFFIC 

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CONTROLLER.

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BECAUSE THAT IS THE WORD 

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CONTROLLER THAT PEOPLE HEAR A 

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BIT MORE AND THEY THINK WE HAVE 

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TO AND AIR FORCE.

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BASICALLY, WE ARE THE CHIEF 

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FISCAL OFFICER OF THE STATE OF 

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ILLINOIS.

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WE ARE ONE HALF OF THE 

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TREASURER AND COMPTROLLER NOW 

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SPLIT SHOULD BE BACK TOGETHER 

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COMBINATION, AND BASICALLY WE 

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MAKE SURE BILLS GET PAID IN A 

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TIMELY FASHION WHEN WE HAVE 

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MONEY.

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>>  WHY WITH ALL DUE RESPECT DO 

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WE NEED ONE WHEN WE COULD HIRE 

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A PERFECTLY GOOD ACCOUNTING 

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FIRM KIND OF SAVE SOME MONEY 

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AND NOT MAKE IT ELECTIVE 

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OFFICE.

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>>  WE CAN DO BETTER IN TERMS 

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OF SAVING MONEY FOR THE PEOPLE 

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OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS.

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THERE HAS BEEN A GREAT DEAL OF 

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TALK ABOUT COMBINING THE TWO 

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OFFICES OF COMPTROLLER AND 

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TREASURER.

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WHAT I AM INTERESTED IN DOING 

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IS COMBINING THE FUNCTIONS OF 

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THE OFFICE THAT ARE OVERLAPPING 

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RIGHT NOW, HUMAN RESOURCES.

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EACH OF US HAS ITS OWN PRINTING 

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SHOP.

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YOUR INTERGOVERNMENTAL 

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AGREEMENT WE CAN START SAVING 

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MONEY FOR THE PEOPLE OF 

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ILLINOIS RIGHT AWAY.

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>>  WE SHARE ALL OF THAT RIGHT 

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NOW WE NEED TO FORMALIZE IT AS 

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IT USED TO BE.

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WE HAVE REALLY WORKED ON THIS.

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WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN A 

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UNANIMOUS VOTE IN THE SENATE TO 

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MOVE THAT OUT AND MAKE A 

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CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

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WE HAVE 50 COSPONSORS 

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BIPARTISAN IN THE HOUSE AND EAT 

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YOUR ROLE ON THAT AND IF WE CAN 

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CONVINCE THE SPEAKER OF THE 

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HOUSE THIS WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA 

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AT THAT TIME WILL COME BECAUSE 

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I THINK HE WILL SEE SAVING $12 

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MILLION A YEAR.

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I DON'T TAKE IT WILL BE CHEAPER 

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TO GET AN OUTSIDE ACCOUNTING 

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FIRM.

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IT IS CHEAPER TO COMBINE THE 

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OFFICES AND MORE RESPONSIBLE TO 

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THE STATE AND IT SHOULD NEVER 

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BE APPOINTED BECAUSE WHEN YOU 

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THINK YOU DON'T WANT SOME 

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GOVERNOR WHO EVER IT MAY BE 

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BOSSING AROUND THE CHIEF FISCAL 

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OFFICER.

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>>  IS MY MADIGAN PERSUADABLE 

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TO CONSOLIDATE?

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>>  WE HAVE HAD THE 

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EXPERIENCE I'M REFERRING TO IS 

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SERVING ON A REFORM COMMISSION 

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AND ESTABLISHING CAMPAIGN 

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CONTRIBUTION LIMITS IN THE 

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STATE OF ILLINOIS.

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IT WAS NOT GREETED WITH OPEN 

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ARMS IN SPRINGFIELD, BUT 

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MUSTERING PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR 

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THAT, ALLOWED US TO ACCOMPLISH 

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THAT AND I THINK IT'S MADE A 

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SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT.

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>>  WAS A VERY GOOD THING 

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BECAUSE WE NEED SOME ETHICAL 

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CLEANUP ALL THE WAY AROUND JUST 

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UP AND DOWN POLITICS.

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AFTER THE COMMISSION WAS THERE 

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IT REALLY WENT NOWHERE BECAUSE 

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I DON'T THINK THE SPEAKER 

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WANTED IT TO GO SO WE KIND OF 

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HAVE THAT PROBLEM.

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>>  SHOULD THE INCOME TAX 

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INCREASE BE MADE PERMANENT IN 

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YOUR VIEW SINCE EITHER ONE OF 

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YOU IF YOU ARE COMPTROLLER 

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AFTER THE ELECTION PAYS THE 

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BILLS AND THERE NEEDS TO BE 

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MONEY TO PAY THE BILLS, SHOULD 

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IT BE MADE PERMANENT?

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>>  THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS WE 

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HAVE SOME AGREEMENT ON.

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WE BOTH BELIEVE IT WOULD BE 

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FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE TO CUT IT 

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OFF IMMEDIATELY, BUT THE IDEA 

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OF REDUCING IT WHEN POSSIBLE IN 

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OUR GROWTH ALLOWS US TO DO THAT 

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IS A TARGET.

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>>  I LIKE WHAT TONI 

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PRECKWINKLE DID WHEN SHE HAD 

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THAT ONE PERCENT SALES TAX SHE 

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WAS GOING TO GET RID OF.

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I ALWAYS COMPARE THE STATE TO A 

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BODY.

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IF YOU TRY TO PULL IT ALL OUT 

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NOW YOU WILL TAKE A $2 BILLION 

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HIT AND CAUSE THE STATE TO HAVE 

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A HEART ATTACK.

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YOU WILL ALSO CAUSE ME TO HAVE 

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A HEART ATTACK.

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INCREMENTALLY TAKE IT OFF A 

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PIECE AT A TIME UNTIL YOU GET 

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IT TO 3.75.

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>>  WE HAVE HOW MUCH IN UNPAID 

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BILLS?

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>>  TOO MUCH.

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>>  5.25.

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>>  HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHO TO 

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PAY.

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>>  THAT IS BILLION, WITH A B.

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>>  HOW DO YOU CITE TO PAY 

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SOMEBODY FIRST AND PUT SOMEBODY 

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AT THE BACK OF THE LINE, HOW 

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DOES THAT GET DONE?

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>>  DO WANT TO GO FIRST.

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>>  I LIKE THAT ISSUE BECAUSE I 

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THINK THAT'S AN AREA WHERE WE 

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NEED IMPROVEMENT.RIGHT NOW 

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THERE IS NOTHING ON THE WEBSITE 

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THAT SAYS HERE'S WHO CAN GET AN 

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EXPEDITED PAYMENT IS NOT 

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QUALIFIED.

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THERE IS NO TRANSPARENCY IN 

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TERMS OF WHO'S ASKING FOR AND 

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WHO'S GETTING THOSE EXPEDITED 

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PAYMENTS.

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I WANT TO SET UP OBJECTIVE 

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STANDARDS THAT IDENTIFY WHERE 

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THE CIRCUMSTANCES WHEN A SMALL 

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BUSINESS WHEN A NOT FOR PROFIT 

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NEEDS TO BE SCOOTED TO THE 

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FRONT OF THE LINE I WANT TO 

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MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYONE 

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BECAUSE THIS IS OUR MONEY.

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>>  YOU DISAGREE?

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>>  WE PROVED WE HAVE A 

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TRANSPARENT SYSTEM WE PUT 

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EVERYTHING UP ON THE INTERNET 

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AND BETWEEN OUR LEDGER WHICH IS 

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ALL STATE CONTRACTS WHATEVER WE 

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PUT OUT THERE IS OUT THERE AND 

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OUR WAREHOUSE WHICH HAS OTHER 

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THING I'M LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

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BUT I KNOW THAT LIEUTENANT 

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GOVERNOR DOES KNOW OUR SYSTEM 

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WORKS BECAUSE SHE HAS USED IT.

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SHE HAS ASKED FOR AN EXPEDITED 

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PAYMENT FOR A CLINIC DOWN IN 

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CARBONDALE WHICH WE WERE HAPPY 

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TO DO TO KEEP IT TOGETHER.IT 

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WAS HELPFUL.

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AND THAT IS FINE.THE 

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DISAPPOINTING PART WAS 

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UNFORTUNATELY, THEY GAVE HER A 

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CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION OFF OF 

06:53.166 --> 06:58.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5%
THAT AFTERWARD.

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IN A VERY PAY FOR PLAY TYPE OF 

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SITUATION AND THAT IS NOT A 

06:58.166 --> 07:03.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5%
GOOD THING.

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WE DON'T TRADE OFF LIKE THAT.

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ULTIMATELY, WE ARE VERY 

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TRANSPARENT.

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WE HAVE OVER 800 PHONES WHICH 

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IS WAY TOO MANY IN THE STATE OF 

07:08.500 --> 07:13.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5%
ILLINOIS MANY OF THEM HAVE 

07:10.466 --> 07:13.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5%
CONTRACT YOU HAVE TO PAY THE 

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RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS 

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SO.

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AND THEN WE PUT NOT FOR PROFIT 

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OF THEIR BECAUSE THEY COULD 

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FOLD AND WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE ON 

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THE STREET AND THAT I'M NOT 

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GOING TO TOLERATE.

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>>  TO JUDY BAR TOPINKA THERE 

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WAS PAY TO PLAY INVOLVED IN 

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SEEKING AN EXPEDITED PAYMENT 

07:28.966 --> 07:35.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5%
SEEKING A CAMPAIGN 

07:31.933 --> 07:37.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5%
CONTRIBUTION?

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REX ABSOLUTELY NOT.

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I THINK I'M THE LAST PERSON WHO 

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WOULD BE EXPECTED TO HAVE CLOUT 

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WITH THE COMPTROLLERS OFFICE 

07:42.366 --> 07:47.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5%
WHEN I'M RUNNING AGAINST HER.

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YOU WROTE THE CHECK.

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THE PROBLEM IS THERE IS NO 

07:47.733 --> 07:53.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5%
TRANSPARENCY.

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THE AP REPORTED IT IS CLOUT 

07:51.033 --> 07:57.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
THAT ONE THE SYSTEM AND MISSED 

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TOPINKA SAID IT'S AN UNFAIR 

07:55.500 --> 08:00.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5%
SYSTEM I RECOGNIZE IT'S AN 

07:57.933 --> 08:02.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35%
UNFAIR SYSTEM.

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I'M READY TO CHANGE THAT.

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>>  YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT A 

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HOSPITAL IS NOT A NURSING HOME 

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A NURSING HOME IS NOT A DAY 

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CARE CENTER A DAY CARE CENTER 

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IS NOT A CLINIC.

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THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT EXCEPT 

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WHERE WE HAVE THE 800 FUNDS 

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AND/OR LEGISLATIVE DICTATE THAT 

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SAYS WE HAVE TO PAY RIGHT NOW.

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MANY OF THESE 800 FUNDS 

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AUTOMATICALLY PAY OUT RIGHT 

08:20.933 --> 08:24.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5%
AWAY.

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THEY ARE NOT BEHIND.

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IT'S WHEN YOU TALK TO THE 

08:24.433 --> 08:29.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
GENERAL FUND YOU START GETTING 

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INTO PROBLEMS.

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>>  LET ME ASK JUDY BAR TOPINKA 

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ANOTHER ISSUE THAT HAS COME UP 

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IT IS SOME OF YOUR STAFF 

08:33.266 --> 08:39.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5%
MEMBERS WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE 

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PART-TIME JOBS AT A FEDERALLY 

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FUNDED FOUNDATION THAT YOU ONCE 

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HEADED EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THEM 

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ARE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES 

08:44.066 --> 08:49.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5%
COMPENSATED VERY WELL IN SIX 

08:46.100 --> 08:51.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20%
FIGURES.

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WAS THAT AN APPROPRIATE 

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DECISION TO BE MADE AND DOES IT 

08:51.100 --> 08:57.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5%
SERVE THE STATE WELL?

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>>  WE STARTED THE COMPANY WHEN 

08:54.366 --> 08:59.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75%
WE WERE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

08:57.233 --> 09:00.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80%
I WAS NOT HOLDING OFFICE AT THE 

08:59.200 --> 09:02.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5%
TIME.

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THEY HAVE UPGRADED THE 

09:00.166 --> 09:05.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5%
DECLARATIONS OF THE ECONOMIC 

09:02.533 --> 09:07.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30%
DECLARATION.

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THAT IS WHY YOU KNOW ABOUT IT 

09:05.633 --> 09:10.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65%
THAT'S WHY THE LIEUTENANT 

09:07.700 --> 09:12.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
GOVERNOR KNOWS ABOUT IT WE ARE 

09:09.800 --> 09:14.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5%
VERY OPEN ABOUT IT.

09:10.800 --> 09:16.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
THEY FILED ALL THE PAPERS THAT 

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SAID THEY WERE OUT THERE.

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IT HAS BEEN HARD CERTIFIED JUST 

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GOT THROUGH THE PERFORMANCE 

09:18.466 --> 09:22.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5%
REVIEW.

09:18.800 --> 09:22.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5%
IT'S A PART-TIME JOB.

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WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE 

09:22.066 --> 09:27.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5%
PART-TIME JOBS.

09:22.900 --> 09:28.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80%
THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR A THIRD 

09:26.033 --> 09:30.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80%
OF HER STAFF HAS OUTSIDE INCOME 

09:27.266 --> 09:31.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25%
COMING IN.

09:28.400 --> 09:33.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60%
SHE GETS OUTSIDE INCOME.

09:30.233 --> 09:35.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN LEGAL TO DO 

09:31.766 --> 09:38.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
THAT AS LONG AS YOU DECLARE IT.

09:33.766 --> 09:39.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60%
>>  LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR?

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>>  THE QUESTION IS NOT OUTSIDE 

09:38.166 --> 09:45.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75%
INCOME BUT OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT 

09:39.766 --> 09:47.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5%
THESE ARE FOLKS WORKING 35 

09:42.166 --> 09:48.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60%
HOURS AT THE SECOND JOB.

09:45.000 --> 09:51.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5%
I DON'T THINK THE STATE OF 

09:47.033 --> 09:53.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
ILLINOIS IS GETTING THEIR FULL 

09:48.966 --> 09:53.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
MEASURE OUT OF THESE EMPLOYEES 

09:51.033 --> 09:55.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
IF THEY HAVE ANOTHER 35 HOUR A 

09:53.000 --> 09:57.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5%
WEEK JOB.

09:53.900 --> 09:58.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5%
I ONLY HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE AND 

09:55.133 --> 10:00.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80%
THAT IS A YOUNG WOMAN WHO TENDS 

09:57.166 --> 10:02.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5%
BAR ON THE WEEKEND SOMETHING 

09:58.333 --> 10:02.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60%
THAT DOES NOT PROVIDE A 

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CONFLICT IN TERMS OF HER TIME 

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OR LOYALTIES.

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>>  A THIRD OF HER STAFF IS 

10:03.666 --> 10:08.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5%
GETTING OUTSIDE INCOME.

10:06.200 --> 10:13.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
YOU HAVE TO HAVE EMPLOYMENT TO 

10:06.933 --> 10:13.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5%
GET OUTSIDE INCOME.

10:08.033 --> 10:15.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5%
>>  EVEN INVESTMENTS ARE 

10:13.233 --> 10:16.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5%
OUTSIDE INCOME.

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YOU HAVE TO GET SOME WHITE TO 

10:15.700 --> 10:18.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5%
GET THE MONEY IN.

10:16.200 --> 10:20.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5%
WE HAVE BEEN VERY OPEN ABOUT 

10:17.900 --> 10:23.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:7.5%
IT.

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IT IS NOT 35 HOURS.

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THAT WAS MISSPOKEN IN A TRIBUTE 

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ENDORSEMENT.

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WE HAVE UPGRADED OUR PAPERWORK.

10:26.566 --> 10:32.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5%
THEY DO IT ON WEEKENDS AND 

10:28.300 --> 10:34.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5%
THINGS OF THAT SORT AND HAVE 

10:30.300 --> 10:36.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
OTHER PEOPLE BASICALLY WORKING.

10:32.033 --> 10:39.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
THE FOLKS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 

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WORK IN THE COMPTROLLERS OFFICE 

10:36.300 --> 10:40.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70%
THEY WORKED THEIR NIGHTS ON 

10:39.266 --> 10:44.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5%
WEEKENDS.

10:39.633 --> 10:47.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5%
I'M VERY PROUD.

10:40.466 --> 10:48.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
>>  THE ISSUE OF PATRONAGE HAS 

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COME UP IN THIS RACE AND WITH 

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REGARD TO A CONVERSATION THAT 

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WAS ON MICROPHONE WITH GOVERNOR 

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QUINN WHICH WE WERE TALKING 

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ABOUT WHETHER YOUR SON MIGHT BE 

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ABLE TO GET A JOB AT SOUTHERN 

10:56.166 --> 11:00.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70%
ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY, HE'S A 

10:59.500 --> 11:03.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20%
VETERAN 

10:59.833 --> 11:04.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5%
>>  20 YEARS.

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>>  IS THAT SOMETHING YOU 

11:03.033 --> 11:08.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5%
WISH YOU COULD TAKE THAT?

11:04.533 --> 11:10.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5%
>>  NO.

11:05.800 --> 11:12.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5%
I'M NOT ASKING FOR A JOB BUT 

11:08.733 --> 11:14.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5%
WHAT YOU DON'T BECAUSE THE 

11:10.666 --> 11:15.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70%
GOVERNOR HAS GOT INCREDIBLE 

11:12.666 --> 11:17.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5%
NETWORK HE WORKS WITH CALLED 

11:14.666 --> 11:19.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5%
HIRING OUR HEROES AND IS 

11:15.833 --> 11:20.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
BASICALLY PRIVATE SECTOR AND I 

11:17.766 --> 11:21.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75%
THINK THAT IS WHERE MY SON IS 

11:19.766 --> 11:22.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5%
WANTING TO GO THIS PRIVATE 

11:20.933 --> 11:24.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5%
SECTOR.

11:21.266 --> 11:27.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
YOU HAVE A TIP OFF DO YOU KNOW 

11:22.966 --> 11:29.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75%
OF ANYTHING THAT IS AVAILABLE?

11:24.500 --> 11:30.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
AND HE LIKES SOUTHERN ILLINOIS.

11:27.500 --> 11:31.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60%
MY SON IS VERY TAKEN BY 

11:29.000 --> 11:33.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:45%
SOUTHERN ILLINOIS.

11:30.466 --> 11:34.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25%
IT'S FULL.

11:31.433 --> 11:39.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5%
I LIKE SOUTHERN ILLINOIS.

11:33.066 --> 11:43.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30%
THAT WAS IT.

11:34.033 --> 11:45.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80%
>>  WHEN YOU STOP AND LOOK, YOU 

11:39.900 --> 11:51.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80%
BASICALLY HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE 

11:43.533 --> 11:51.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5%
ALSO GOT JOBS I THINK YOU'VE 

11:45.433 --> 11:53.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80%
GOT A SENATOR AND YOU HIRED HIS 

11:51.400 --> 11:55.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:15%
CHILD.

11:51.700 --> 11:56.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80%
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A BOY 

11:53.500 --> 11:58.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80%
OR GIRL BUT YOU HIRED HIS CHILD 

11:55.166 --> 12:00.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5%
FULL-TIME ALL THE WAY AROUND 

11:56.333 --> 12:02.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60%
AND THEN GOT A CAMPAIGN 

11:58.733 --> 12:03.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75%
CONTRIBUTION FROM THE SENATOR.

12:00.100 --> 12:06.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5%
THAT IS PAY FOR PLAY.

12:02.633 --> 12:09.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:45%
THAT IS PATRONAGE.

12:03.700 --> 12:11.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80%
I'M JUST A MOM WHO HAS A KID IS 

12:06.866 --> 12:11.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
A VETERAN WHO DESERVES THE JOB 

12:09.000 --> 12:15.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80%
AFTER 20 YEARS OF ANY KIND OF A 

12:11.266 --> 12:16.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:10%
JOB.

12:11.533 --> 12:18.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75%
>>  TO THE PATRONAGE ARGUMENT 

12:15.533 --> 12:20.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35%
YOUR RESPONSE?

12:16.566 --> 12:22.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5%
>>  I HAVE A STEP OF COMPETENT 

12:18.833 --> 12:24.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5%
QUALIFIED PEOPLE.

12:20.333 --> 12:27.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70%
AND I'M PLEASED TO HAVE ALL 

12:22.266 --> 12:28.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80%
WE WHITTLED DOWN THE STAFF SIZE 

12:24.200 --> 12:31.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65%
DOWN TO 16 PEOPLE, CUT MY 

12:27.633 --> 12:34.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:45%
BUDGET BY A THIRD.

12:28.533 --> 12:35.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80%
I'M PROUD OF ALL MY STAFF DO WE 

12:31.833 --> 12:36.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75%
THE STATE OF ILLINOIS WHETHER 

12:34.133 --> 12:38.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80%
YOU ARE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT, 

12:35.500 --> 12:41.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75%
PEOPLE KNOW PEOPLE AND PEOPLE 

12:36.666 --> 12:42.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70%
GET HIRED BECAUSE THEY KNOW 

12:38.900 --> 12:44.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5%
PEOPLE WHETHER IT'S IN THE 

12:41.100 --> 12:47.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5%
DEMOCRATIC SIDE A REPUBLICAN 

12:42.100 --> 12:47.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5%
SIDE OF THINGS AND THAT IS 

12:44.833 --> 12:49.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75%
SOMETHING THAT SOMETIMES GETS 

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OUT OF HAND?

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>>  I DISPUTE THAT IS THE WAY 

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BUSINESS HAS TO BE.

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I THINK THAT IS THE POLITICS OF 

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THE PAST.

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THE MICROPHONE PICKED UP MISS 

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TOPINKA SAYING HE LOVES TO 

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TEACH HIS GOT THE 

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QUALIFICATIONS.

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IT WAS A SPECIFIC REQUEST OF 

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THE GOVERNOR FOR A PUBLIC JOB.

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WHEN SERVING IN A HIGH PUBLIC 

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OFFICE TO HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO 

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LOOK AFTER THE PEOPLE OF THE 

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STATE OF ILLINOIS.

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I THINK MS. TOPINKA IS LOOKING 

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AFTER HER FAMILY AND FRIENDS 

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FIRST.

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>>  LONG AGO AND FAR AWAY WHEN 

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LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR WAS TRYING 

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TO BECOME MAYOR OF CARBONDALE 

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HER LOCAL NEWSPAPER WHICH IS 

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CALLED THE DAILY EGYPTIAN SAID 

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AND I QUOTE, THAT SHE HAS A 

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TENDENCY TO TALK ABOUT 

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COMMUNICATION DISINFORMATION 

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AND ALSO HAS A TENDENCY TO MAKE 

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FACE THE TEXT.

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I DON'T THINK SHE HAS CHANGED 

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BECAUSE SHE MAKES THINGS UP 

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WHEN SHE DOESN'T REALLY 

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UNDERSTAND.

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I'VE LAID IT OUT.

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I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO SAY 

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OTHER THAN SHE MAKES THINGS UP.

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WE PUT FOR THE FIRST TIME 

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EVER, THINGS 

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>>  THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION 

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ACT.

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>>  BUT IF AVAILABLE AND WE 

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KEEP DOING MORE.

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SHE CLAIMS IT DOESN'T EXIST.

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IT IS RIGHT THERE.

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WHICH WE BELIEVE SHE DOESN'T 

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KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE OFFICE, 

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SHE'S NOT TAKEN TIME TO LEARN 

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ABOUT THE OFFICE AND FRANKLY 

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SHE DIDN'T WANT THIS OFFICE 

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BECAUSE SHE RAN TO BE THE 

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ATTORNEY GENERAL AND 

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UNFORTUNATELY FOR HER LISA 

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MADIGAN DID NOT WISH TO MOVE 

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ASIDE.

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>>  YOU BOTH ARE VERY QUALIFIED 

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SMART WOMEN.

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I AM CURIOUS IF YOU COULD 

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IDENTIFY ABOUT EACH OTHER WHAT 

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YOU THINK EACH OTHER'S GREATEST 

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STRENGTH AND OUR WEAKNESS IS.

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>>  I THINK MY OPPONENT'S 

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GREATEST STRENGTH IS EASY TO 

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SEE SHE'S A WONDERFUL PERSON TO 

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GET ALONG WITH AND I THINK MOST 

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PEOPLE ENJOY HER IN A BIG WAY.

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I'M NOT RUNNING AGAINST HER OUT 

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OF ANIMOSITY.

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I THINK THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE 

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BETWEEN THE TWO OF US IN THE 

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BIGGEST WEAKNESS SHE HAS ACED 

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ON THE REQUEST FOR THE JOB 

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BASED ON OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT IS 

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A CHALLENGE THE ETHICS 

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DEPARTMENT.

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>>  JUDY BAR TOPINKA?

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>>  I THINK WE'VE RUN A PRETTY 

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GOOD CAMPAIGN SHE IS A CHARMER 

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AND DELIGHTFUL PERSON.

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I ADMIRE YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE 

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CLOTHES BECAUSE I AM SO 

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HORRIBLE AT THAT.THAT IS THE 

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BASIC WEAKNESS.

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I DO BELIEVE SHE DOESN'T 

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NECESSARILY GET FACTS AND LIVES 

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UP TO WHAT THE DAILY EGYPTIAN 

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SAID, SHE MAKES THINGS UP AND 

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SHE PERIODICALLY COMES ON THE 

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ATTACK WHEN SHE DOESN'T KNOW 

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WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT ARE 

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YOU A BRUCE RAUNER SUPPORTER 

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ARE YOU A PAT QUINN SUPPORTER, 

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HOW CLOSE IS THIS GOVERNOR'S 

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RACE GOING TO BE?>>  I THINK 

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IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSE.

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EVERYONE NEEDS TO VOTE.

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>>  CLOSER THAN WE'VE SEEN IN 

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THE PAST?

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>>  I THINK.

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>>  THAT WAS PRETTY CLOSE.

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WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FINAL WORD 

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>>  THIS IS CLOSE.

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IT'S GOING TO BE A NAIL WRITER.

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WE WILL ALL BE STAYING UP LATE 

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AT NIGHT.

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>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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TOMORROW NIGHT OUR CANDIDATE 

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FORUM CONTINUES WITH TWO MEN 

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VYING FOR THE STATE'S OTHER 

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FISCAL JOB TREASURE.

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CHICAGO TONIGHT CONTINUES IN A 

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MOMENT.

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PLEASE STAY WITH US.