MUTTER IN CONVERSATION AND

PERFORMANCE.

>>> FIRST WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO

WORK IN THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE

FOR THE FULL TWO TERMS?

OUR NEXT GUEST HAS THE UNIQUE

EXPERIENCE OF HAVING DONE THAT

AS DIRECTOR OF THE WHITE HOUSE

OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND IN 2011

AS THE FIRST LADY'S CHIEF OF

STAFF.

DURING HER TIME IN WASHINGTON.

TINA CHIN WORKED ON ISSUES

IMPACTING WOMEN AS THE DIRECTOR

OF THE WHITE HOUSE COUNCIL ON

WOMEN AND GIRLS.

BUT THE TRUMP REVERSED MANY OF

THE OBAMA INITIATIVES.

HOW DO THOSE THAT HELP CRAFT

THAT FEEL ABOUT IT NOW?

AND TINA CHIN THE PARTNER IN THE

CHICAGO LAW OFFICE BUCKLEY

SANDLER IS HERE NOW.

>> I'M DELIGHTED TO BE HERE.

>> I SAW YOU WATCHING THAT LAST

SEGMENT WITH GREAT INTEREST

CAMPUS SEXUAL ASSAULT IS

SOMETHING THAT YOU WORKED ON IN

THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

WHAT PROGRESS DO YOU FEEL YOU

MADE IN THAT AREA?

>> 2011 ARTY DUNCAN WITH BIDEN

ANNOUNCED GUIDANCE THAT WE

ISSUED FROM OUR SITUATION UNDER

TITLE 9, THE FEDERAL LAW AGAINST

SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION MADE IT

CLEAR THAT SCHOOLS, HAVE A

RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THEIR

STUDENTS.

AND TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE AN

ENVIRONMENT THAT IS FREE FROM

SEXUAL VIOLENCE.

AND SINCE THEN SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN

IMPLEMENTING THAT.

BEFORE THEN, LIKE THE CASE OF

DENNIS HASTERT, IT SHOWS THAT

PEOPLE DID NOT TALK ABOUT IT AND

IT WAS SWEPT UNDER THE RUG.

>> AND RECENTLY, THE SECRETARY

OF EDUCATION DeVOS TALKED

ABOUT ROLLING BACK SOME OF THE

TITLE 9 PROTECTIONS.

>> I'M VERY WORRIED ABOUT IT.

WE TOOK CARE TO MAKE SURE THAT

THE GUIDANCE WAS FAIR AND

BALANCED.

AND SCHOOLS ARE HAVING

DIFFICULTY IMPLEMENTING BECAUSE

IT'S NEW BUT WE SHOULD BE

HELPING SCHOOLS WE SHOULD NOT BE

TAKING AWAY THE PROTECTIONS.

STUDY AFTER STUDY VALIDATED THAT

ONE IN FIVE YOUNG WOMEN WILL

EXPERIENCE SEXUAL VIOLENCE

BEFORE THEY GRADUATE FROM

COLLEGE.

I AM THE MOTHER OF A COLLEGE

JUNIOR.

AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THIS.

AND WE SEE FROM THE CASE OF

SCOTT CROSS IT'S NOT JUST WOMEN

WHO ARE VICTIMS.

MEN ARE VICTIMS, TOO.

AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS AND

NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO ROLLBACK

WHEN WE HAVE AN EPIDEMIC ON OUR

COLLEGE CAMPUSES.

>> AND WHAT ABOUT PROTECTING THE

RIGHTS OF THE ACCUSED TO PROTECT

FROM FALSE ACCUSATIONS?

>> THE STATISTICS SHOW THAT THE

RATE OF FALSE RAPE ACCUSATIONS

IS 6%.

BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO COME

FORWARD.

YOU HEARD SCOTT HE WAITED 37

YEARS TO COME FORWARD.

THAT IS TYPICAL.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING PEOPLE

TAKE ON THE BURDEN OF BEING

SOMEONE WHO IS REPORTING.

THE NOTION OF FALSE ALLEGATIONS

IS A RED HERRING.

>> YOU SPENT EIGHT YEARS WORKING

FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA AND MICHELLE

OBAMA WHAT WAS IT LIKE?

>> AMAZING NOT SOMETHING THAT I

EVER THOUGHT I WOULD DO.

I WAS A LAWYER PRACTICING IN

CHICAGO AND DOING A LOT OF WORK

ON WOMEN'S POLITICS IT WAS

AMAZING.

>> AND ARE THERE ANY THINGS

ABOUT MICHELLE OBAMA OR

PRESIDENT OBAMA THAT WE WOULD BE

SURPRISED TO KNOW THAT YOU GOT A

CLOSE-UP LOOK AT?

>> MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE PUBLICLY

IS WHAT YOU GET WITH THEM.

THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT

IS GREAT AND AUTHENTIC.

THEY ARE FUNNY AND ENGAGING.

BUT PEOPLE DID NOT SEE ENOUGH

WAS HOW HARD THEY WORKED.

EVERYDAY OF THE EIGHT YEARS.

WE WOULD SEND HOME ON BOTH THE

EAST WING WHERE MRS. OBAMA'S WAS

AND THE WEST WING, THE STAFF ON

EACH SIDE WOULD SEND UP BRIEFING

BOOKS THAT THE TWO OF THEM READ

AND THEY WOULD CORRECT US IF

SOMETHING WAS WRONG AND IT LOOKS

EASY ONCE THEY GOT ON CAMERA BUT

THE PUBLIC DID NOT SEE THE HARD,

HARD WORK THEY DID TO MAKE THOSE

MOMENTS HAPPEN.

>> WERE THEY WORKING IN TANDEM

ON POLICY.

>> AS MRS. OBAMA WOULD SAY

THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON ELECTED

HERE AND WE WERE THERE TO

SUPPORT HIM.

>> AND WHAT ARE MOMENTS THAT

STAND OUT TO YOU?

>> SOME OF THE MOMENTS ARE NOT

THE PUBLIC MOMENTS.

WE HAD THE MARRIAGE EQUALITY AND

THE REPEAL OF DON'T ASK OR DON'T

TELL.

BUT I REMEMBER SOME OF THE SMALL

ONES LIKE WHEN WE HAD AVERAGE

AMERICAN PEOPLE COME IN AND SEE

THE FIRST LADY FOR THE FIRST

TIME.

VIRGINIA WAS ONE OF THOSE.

>> AND TALK ABOUT THIS.

SHE WAS THE 106-YEAR-OLD WOMAN

THAT HAD WRITTEN TO THE

PRESIDENT.

>> SHE WAS.

A 106-YEAR-OLD AFRICAN-AMERICAN

WOMAN FROM WASHINGTON D.C. AND

NEVER BEEN TO THE WHITE HOUSE

BEFORE EVER.

>> AND SHE IS DANCING WITH THE

FIRST LADY.

>> SHE CAME AND SAID I SEE AN

AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRESIDENT AND

FIRST LADY AND SHE WANTED TO

DANCE SO WE DID.

>> WHY DID YOU WANT TO BRING HER

INTO THE WHITE HOUSE?

>> THROUGHOUT THE EIGHT YEARS

ONE OF THE THINGS THE PRESIDENT

AND MRS. OBAMA SAID IS THIS IS

THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE AND WE WANT

TO BRING PEOPLE IN AND

ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER

SEEN THIS AND NEVER BEEN THERE.

MRS. McLAREN IS AN EXAMPLE OF

SOMEONE WHO LIVED MILES FROM THE

WHITE HOUSE.

IN 106 YEARS SHE NEVER SET FOOT

INSIDE THE PLACE.

>> AND YOU MENTIONED THE LGBTQ

RIGHTS THERE WAS A NIGHT THAT

THE WHITE HOUSE WAS LIT UP IN

THE COLORS OF THE LGBTQ FLAG.

>> THAT PARTICULAR DAY

REPRESENTS THE HIGHS AND THE

LOWS OF WORKING IN THE WHITE

HOUSE.

THE DAY AT THE SUPREME COURT

ISSUED THE RULING ON MARRIAGE

EQUALITY AND THE PRESIDENT CAME

INTO THE ROSE GARDEN CHAMPIONED

THAT.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT ON A PLANE

AND WENT DOWN TO PINCKNEY'S

MEMORIAL SERVICE BECAUSE OF THE

MASSACRE IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH

CAROLINA.

SO THAT AND WE HAD TO COMFORT

THE FAMILIES AND FLY BACK TO

WASHINGTON AND THAT IS WHEN WE

LIT THE WHITE HOUSE RAINBOW

COLORS AND EVERYONE CAME OUT.

WE HAD MARRIAGE PROPOSALS BEING

MADE IN FRONT OF THE LIGHTS.

>> AND WE MENTIONED SOME OF THE

ROLLBACK OF THE OBAMA ERA

INITIATIVE UNDER THE CURRENT

ADMINISTRATION.

HOW DO YOU AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO

CRAFTED THOSE INITIATIVES FEEL

ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING?

>> I'M DISAPPOINTED.

I THINK IT IS A WRONG STEP THESE

ARE POLICIES WE TOOK AFTER MANY

YEARS OF STUDY AND TO SEE A

DECISION MADE TO ROLL IT BACK.

BUT WE'VE MADE PROGRESS.

WORKING FAMILY, AND PAID LEAVE,

AND FLEXIBLE WORK SCHEDULES

SOMETHING THAT I'M PROUD MY FIRM

BUCKLEY SANDLER EXCELS AT.

BUT YOU KNOW BACK WHEN WE USED

TO TALK ABOUT THAT EIGHT YEARS

AGO, THE REPUBLICANS WOULD SAY

THIS IS NOT A MATTER FOR PUBLIC

POLICY.

YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN WORKING

WOMEN.

AND NOW AT LEAST THEY ARE GIVING

LIP SERVICE TO THE IDEA THAT WE

SHOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION TO

PAID LEAVE.

THERE'S SOME LITTLE BITSES OF

PROGRESS AND I'M HOPING THE

PRIVATE SECTOR REALIZES IF YOU

WANT TO KEEP TALENTED PEOPLE IN

YOUR BUSINESSES YOU SHOULD BE

PAYING ATTENTION TO YOUR WOMEN,

TO CREATE ENVIRONMENTS WHERE

YOUR WOMEN AND MEN CAN WORK

PRODUCTIVELY.

>> AND SPEAKING OF WOMEN, THESE

ARE ISSUES THAT THE DAUGHTER OF

THE PRESIDENT IVANKA TALKED

ABOUT AS BEING IMPORTANT TO HER.

WHAT WOULD YOU TELL HER?

>> I WOULD TELL HER TO DO THE

WORK.

LOOK AT THE STUDIES.

THEY RECENTLY ROLLED BACK ONE OF

OUR RULES WHICH WAS TO REQUIRE

COMPANIES TO REPORT THEIR WAGES

BY MEN AND WOMEN WHAT WE ARE

BEING PAID AND DO IT IN A

EFFICIENT WAY WE STUDIED THAT

AND THEY HAVE ROLLED IT BACK.

BUT IF YOU REPORT WHAT YOU ARE

PAYING YOUR STAFF BY MALE VERSUS

FEMALE IF YOU HAVE AN EQUAL PAY

PROBLEM YOU CAN SEE IT.

WHAT DOESN'T GET MEASURED

DOESN'T GET SEEN AND I WOULD

TELL HER TAKE A LOOK AT THE DATA

AND YOU WILL REALIZE THIS WAS A

GOOD POLICY.

>> AND YOU'VE CONTINUED YOUR

WORK IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WITH

WOMEN AND GIRLS GET AND MORE

WOMEN INVOLVED IN PUBLIC

SERVICE.

>> THAT IS THE UNITED STATE OF

WOMEN A SUMMIT WE STARTED LAST

YEAR CELEBRATING THE WIDE RANGE

OF WORK FOR WOMEN AND GIRLS AND

WE HAVE CONTINUED THE UNITED

STATE OF WOMEN AND DOING

LOCALIZED SUMMITS TO GET PEOPLE

GOING.

WE HAD THE FIRST SUMMIT HERE IN

CHICAGO.

WITH A THOUSAND WOMEN IN JULY

WHO CAME HOW TO GET TRAINED TO

RUN FOR OFFICE AND ADVOCATE FOR

ISSUES AND SHOWCASE A LOT OF

GREAT WORK DONE IN CHICAGO TO

HELP WOMEN AND GIRLS.

>> WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT TO GET

MORE WOMEN RUNNING FOR PUBLIC

OFFICE?

>> BECAUSE OUR ISSUES DO NOT GET

REPRESENTED AT THE TABLE IF WE

ARE NOT SITTING AT THE TABLE.

PAID LEAVE, ON FLEXIBLE WORK THE

AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, THE DEBATE

RIGHT NOW THAT IS HAPPENING

THERE WAS THAT FAMOUS STORY BACK

WHEN THE REPUBLICANS WERE

REWRITING THE REPEAL OF THE

OBAMACARE BILL.

NOT A SINGLE WOMAN IN THE ROOM.

MAKING SURE MATERNITY CARE IS

COVERED OR WOMEN ARE NOT CHARGED

MORE FOR PREMIUMS.

ALL THINGS THAT WERE IN EFFECT

BEFORE OBAMACARE.

>> AND WHEN YOU ARE IN THAT

PRESSURE COOKER FOR EIGHT YEARS

AND THEN YOU COME OUT OF IT, IS

THERE A DECOMPRESSION PERIOD?

>> THERE IS.

I DIDN'T WORK FOR EIGHT MONTHS,

PARIS, THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE

I DID NOT WORK FOR EIGHT MONTHS.

>> SLEEP?

>> CAUGHT UP ON TV SHOWS.

CAUGHT UP ON READING AND TRAVEL.

BUT I AM EXCITED TO BE BACK OUT

IN THE WORK WORLD.

I LOVED BEING A LAWYER.

MY NEW FIRM I'M EXCITED ABOUT.

THEY SPECIALIZE IN THE FINANCIAL

SERVICES AREA.

REALLY THE REGULATION

ENFORCEMENT HOW MONEY MOVES.

AND I JUST SIGNED A LEASE ON AN

APARTMENT IN WASHINGTON D.C.

WITH MY FINGER 0 AND MY

CELLPHONE.

THAT IS NOW A FINANCIAL

TRANSACTION AND BUCKLEY SANDLER

IS AT THE FOREFRONT HOW DO WE

REGULATE THAT AND HELP COMPANIES

DO GOOD BY THEIR CONSUMERS AND

DO GOOD BY THE REGULATORS AS

THEY DEVELOP NEW BUSINESSES.