MUTTER IN CONVERSATION AND
PERFORMANCE.
>>> FIRST WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO
WORK IN THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE
FOR THE FULL TWO TERMS?
OUR NEXT GUEST HAS THE UNIQUE
EXPERIENCE OF HAVING DONE THAT
AS DIRECTOR OF THE WHITE HOUSE
OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND IN 2011
AS THE FIRST LADY'S CHIEF OF
STAFF.
DURING HER TIME IN WASHINGTON.
TINA CHIN WORKED ON ISSUES
IMPACTING WOMEN AS THE DIRECTOR
OF THE WHITE HOUSE COUNCIL ON
WOMEN AND GIRLS.
BUT THE TRUMP REVERSED MANY OF
THE OBAMA INITIATIVES.
HOW DO THOSE THAT HELP CRAFT
THAT FEEL ABOUT IT NOW?
AND TINA CHIN THE PARTNER IN THE
CHICAGO LAW OFFICE BUCKLEY
SANDLER IS HERE NOW.
>> I'M DELIGHTED TO BE HERE.
>> I SAW YOU WATCHING THAT LAST
SEGMENT WITH GREAT INTEREST
CAMPUS SEXUAL ASSAULT IS
SOMETHING THAT YOU WORKED ON IN
THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.
WHAT PROGRESS DO YOU FEEL YOU
MADE IN THAT AREA?
>> 2011 ARTY DUNCAN WITH BIDEN
ANNOUNCED GUIDANCE THAT WE
ISSUED FROM OUR SITUATION UNDER
TITLE 9, THE FEDERAL LAW AGAINST
SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION MADE IT
CLEAR THAT SCHOOLS, HAVE A
RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THEIR
STUDENTS.
AND TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE AN
ENVIRONMENT THAT IS FREE FROM
SEXUAL VIOLENCE.
AND SINCE THEN SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN
IMPLEMENTING THAT.
BEFORE THEN, LIKE THE CASE OF
DENNIS HASTERT, IT SHOWS THAT
PEOPLE DID NOT TALK ABOUT IT AND
IT WAS SWEPT UNDER THE RUG.
>> AND RECENTLY, THE SECRETARY
OF EDUCATION DeVOS TALKED
ABOUT ROLLING BACK SOME OF THE
TITLE 9 PROTECTIONS.
>> I'M VERY WORRIED ABOUT IT.
WE TOOK CARE TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE GUIDANCE WAS FAIR AND
BALANCED.
AND SCHOOLS ARE HAVING
DIFFICULTY IMPLEMENTING BECAUSE
IT'S NEW BUT WE SHOULD BE
HELPING SCHOOLS WE SHOULD NOT BE
TAKING AWAY THE PROTECTIONS.
STUDY AFTER STUDY VALIDATED THAT
ONE IN FIVE YOUNG WOMEN WILL
EXPERIENCE SEXUAL VIOLENCE
BEFORE THEY GRADUATE FROM
COLLEGE.
I AM THE MOTHER OF A COLLEGE
JUNIOR.
AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THIS.
AND WE SEE FROM THE CASE OF
SCOTT CROSS IT'S NOT JUST WOMEN
WHO ARE VICTIMS.
MEN ARE VICTIMS, TOO.
AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS AND
NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO ROLLBACK
WHEN WE HAVE AN EPIDEMIC ON OUR
COLLEGE CAMPUSES.
>> AND WHAT ABOUT PROTECTING THE
RIGHTS OF THE ACCUSED TO PROTECT
FROM FALSE ACCUSATIONS?
>> THE STATISTICS SHOW THAT THE
RATE OF FALSE RAPE ACCUSATIONS
IS 6%.
BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO COME
FORWARD.
YOU HEARD SCOTT HE WAITED 37
YEARS TO COME FORWARD.
THAT IS TYPICAL.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING PEOPLE
TAKE ON THE BURDEN OF BEING
SOMEONE WHO IS REPORTING.
THE NOTION OF FALSE ALLEGATIONS
IS A RED HERRING.
>> YOU SPENT EIGHT YEARS WORKING
FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA AND MICHELLE
OBAMA WHAT WAS IT LIKE?
>> AMAZING NOT SOMETHING THAT I
EVER THOUGHT I WOULD DO.
I WAS A LAWYER PRACTICING IN
CHICAGO AND DOING A LOT OF WORK
ON WOMEN'S POLITICS IT WAS
AMAZING.
>> AND ARE THERE ANY THINGS
ABOUT MICHELLE OBAMA OR
PRESIDENT OBAMA THAT WE WOULD BE
SURPRISED TO KNOW THAT YOU GOT A
CLOSE-UP LOOK AT?
>> MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE PUBLICLY
IS WHAT YOU GET WITH THEM.
THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
IS GREAT AND AUTHENTIC.
THEY ARE FUNNY AND ENGAGING.
BUT PEOPLE DID NOT SEE ENOUGH
WAS HOW HARD THEY WORKED.
EVERYDAY OF THE EIGHT YEARS.
WE WOULD SEND HOME ON BOTH THE
EAST WING WHERE MRS. OBAMA'S WAS
AND THE WEST WING, THE STAFF ON
EACH SIDE WOULD SEND UP BRIEFING
BOOKS THAT THE TWO OF THEM READ
AND THEY WOULD CORRECT US IF
SOMETHING WAS WRONG AND IT LOOKS
EASY ONCE THEY GOT ON CAMERA BUT
THE PUBLIC DID NOT SEE THE HARD,
HARD WORK THEY DID TO MAKE THOSE
MOMENTS HAPPEN.
>> WERE THEY WORKING IN TANDEM
ON POLICY.
>> AS MRS. OBAMA WOULD SAY
THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON ELECTED
HERE AND WE WERE THERE TO
SUPPORT HIM.
>> AND WHAT ARE MOMENTS THAT
STAND OUT TO YOU?
>> SOME OF THE MOMENTS ARE NOT
THE PUBLIC MOMENTS.
WE HAD THE MARRIAGE EQUALITY AND
THE REPEAL OF DON'T ASK OR DON'T
TELL.
BUT I REMEMBER SOME OF THE SMALL
ONES LIKE WHEN WE HAD AVERAGE
AMERICAN PEOPLE COME IN AND SEE
THE FIRST LADY FOR THE FIRST
TIME.
VIRGINIA WAS ONE OF THOSE.
>> AND TALK ABOUT THIS.
SHE WAS THE 106-YEAR-OLD WOMAN
THAT HAD WRITTEN TO THE
PRESIDENT.
>> SHE WAS.
A 106-YEAR-OLD AFRICAN-AMERICAN
WOMAN FROM WASHINGTON D.C. AND
NEVER BEEN TO THE WHITE HOUSE
BEFORE EVER.
>> AND SHE IS DANCING WITH THE
FIRST LADY.
>> SHE CAME AND SAID I SEE AN
AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRESIDENT AND
FIRST LADY AND SHE WANTED TO
DANCE SO WE DID.
>> WHY DID YOU WANT TO BRING HER
INTO THE WHITE HOUSE?
>> THROUGHOUT THE EIGHT YEARS
ONE OF THE THINGS THE PRESIDENT
AND MRS. OBAMA SAID IS THIS IS
THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE AND WE WANT
TO BRING PEOPLE IN AND
ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER
SEEN THIS AND NEVER BEEN THERE.
MRS. McLAREN IS AN EXAMPLE OF
SOMEONE WHO LIVED MILES FROM THE
WHITE HOUSE.
IN 106 YEARS SHE NEVER SET FOOT
INSIDE THE PLACE.
>> AND YOU MENTIONED THE LGBTQ
RIGHTS THERE WAS A NIGHT THAT
THE WHITE HOUSE WAS LIT UP IN
THE COLORS OF THE LGBTQ FLAG.
>> THAT PARTICULAR DAY
REPRESENTS THE HIGHS AND THE
LOWS OF WORKING IN THE WHITE
HOUSE.
THE DAY AT THE SUPREME COURT
ISSUED THE RULING ON MARRIAGE
EQUALITY AND THE PRESIDENT CAME
INTO THE ROSE GARDEN CHAMPIONED
THAT.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT ON A PLANE
AND WENT DOWN TO PINCKNEY'S
MEMORIAL SERVICE BECAUSE OF THE
MASSACRE IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH
CAROLINA.
SO THAT AND WE HAD TO COMFORT
THE FAMILIES AND FLY BACK TO
WASHINGTON AND THAT IS WHEN WE
LIT THE WHITE HOUSE RAINBOW
COLORS AND EVERYONE CAME OUT.
WE HAD MARRIAGE PROPOSALS BEING
MADE IN FRONT OF THE LIGHTS.
>> AND WE MENTIONED SOME OF THE
ROLLBACK OF THE OBAMA ERA
INITIATIVE UNDER THE CURRENT
ADMINISTRATION.
HOW DO YOU AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO
CRAFTED THOSE INITIATIVES FEEL
ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING?
>> I'M DISAPPOINTED.
I THINK IT IS A WRONG STEP THESE
ARE POLICIES WE TOOK AFTER MANY
YEARS OF STUDY AND TO SEE A
DECISION MADE TO ROLL IT BACK.
BUT WE'VE MADE PROGRESS.
WORKING FAMILY, AND PAID LEAVE,
AND FLEXIBLE WORK SCHEDULES
SOMETHING THAT I'M PROUD MY FIRM
BUCKLEY SANDLER EXCELS AT.
BUT YOU KNOW BACK WHEN WE USED
TO TALK ABOUT THAT EIGHT YEARS
AGO, THE REPUBLICANS WOULD SAY
THIS IS NOT A MATTER FOR PUBLIC
POLICY.
YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN WORKING
WOMEN.
AND NOW AT LEAST THEY ARE GIVING
LIP SERVICE TO THE IDEA THAT WE
SHOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION TO
PAID LEAVE.
THERE'S SOME LITTLE BITSES OF
PROGRESS AND I'M HOPING THE
PRIVATE SECTOR REALIZES IF YOU
WANT TO KEEP TALENTED PEOPLE IN
YOUR BUSINESSES YOU SHOULD BE
PAYING ATTENTION TO YOUR WOMEN,
TO CREATE ENVIRONMENTS WHERE
YOUR WOMEN AND MEN CAN WORK
PRODUCTIVELY.
>> AND SPEAKING OF WOMEN, THESE
ARE ISSUES THAT THE DAUGHTER OF
THE PRESIDENT IVANKA TALKED
ABOUT AS BEING IMPORTANT TO HER.
WHAT WOULD YOU TELL HER?
>> I WOULD TELL HER TO DO THE
WORK.
LOOK AT THE STUDIES.
THEY RECENTLY ROLLED BACK ONE OF
OUR RULES WHICH WAS TO REQUIRE
COMPANIES TO REPORT THEIR WAGES
BY MEN AND WOMEN WHAT WE ARE
BEING PAID AND DO IT IN A
EFFICIENT WAY WE STUDIED THAT
AND THEY HAVE ROLLED IT BACK.
BUT IF YOU REPORT WHAT YOU ARE
PAYING YOUR STAFF BY MALE VERSUS
FEMALE IF YOU HAVE AN EQUAL PAY
PROBLEM YOU CAN SEE IT.
WHAT DOESN'T GET MEASURED
DOESN'T GET SEEN AND I WOULD
TELL HER TAKE A LOOK AT THE DATA
AND YOU WILL REALIZE THIS WAS A
GOOD POLICY.
>> AND YOU'VE CONTINUED YOUR
WORK IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WITH
WOMEN AND GIRLS GET AND MORE
WOMEN INVOLVED IN PUBLIC
SERVICE.
>> THAT IS THE UNITED STATE OF
WOMEN A SUMMIT WE STARTED LAST
YEAR CELEBRATING THE WIDE RANGE
OF WORK FOR WOMEN AND GIRLS AND
WE HAVE CONTINUED THE UNITED
STATE OF WOMEN AND DOING
LOCALIZED SUMMITS TO GET PEOPLE
GOING.
WE HAD THE FIRST SUMMIT HERE IN
CHICAGO.
WITH A THOUSAND WOMEN IN JULY
WHO CAME HOW TO GET TRAINED TO
RUN FOR OFFICE AND ADVOCATE FOR
ISSUES AND SHOWCASE A LOT OF
GREAT WORK DONE IN CHICAGO TO
HELP WOMEN AND GIRLS.
>> WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT TO GET
MORE WOMEN RUNNING FOR PUBLIC
OFFICE?
>> BECAUSE OUR ISSUES DO NOT GET
REPRESENTED AT THE TABLE IF WE
ARE NOT SITTING AT THE TABLE.
PAID LEAVE, ON FLEXIBLE WORK THE
AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, THE DEBATE
RIGHT NOW THAT IS HAPPENING
THERE WAS THAT FAMOUS STORY BACK
WHEN THE REPUBLICANS WERE
REWRITING THE REPEAL OF THE
OBAMACARE BILL.
NOT A SINGLE WOMAN IN THE ROOM.
MAKING SURE MATERNITY CARE IS
COVERED OR WOMEN ARE NOT CHARGED
MORE FOR PREMIUMS.
ALL THINGS THAT WERE IN EFFECT
BEFORE OBAMACARE.
>> AND WHEN YOU ARE IN THAT
PRESSURE COOKER FOR EIGHT YEARS
AND THEN YOU COME OUT OF IT, IS
THERE A DECOMPRESSION PERIOD?
>> THERE IS.
I DIDN'T WORK FOR EIGHT MONTHS,
PARIS, THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE
I DID NOT WORK FOR EIGHT MONTHS.
>> SLEEP?
>> CAUGHT UP ON TV SHOWS.
CAUGHT UP ON READING AND TRAVEL.
BUT I AM EXCITED TO BE BACK OUT
IN THE WORK WORLD.
I LOVED BEING A LAWYER.
MY NEW FIRM I'M EXCITED ABOUT.
THEY SPECIALIZE IN THE FINANCIAL
SERVICES AREA.
REALLY THE REGULATION
ENFORCEMENT HOW MONEY MOVES.
AND I JUST SIGNED A LEASE ON AN
APARTMENT IN WASHINGTON D.C.
WITH MY FINGER 0 AND MY
CELLPHONE.
THAT IS NOW A FINANCIAL
TRANSACTION AND BUCKLEY SANDLER
IS AT THE FOREFRONT HOW DO WE
REGULATE THAT AND HELP COMPANIES
DO GOOD BY THEIR CONSUMERS AND
DO GOOD BY THE REGULATORS AS
THEY DEVELOP NEW BUSINESSES.