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APPRECIATE IT IT.

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>> THANK YOU.

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TO CAROL MARIN AND A CLOSER LOOK

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AT THE CHARGES AGAINST DENNIS

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HASTERT.

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>> Reporter: PHIL, THANK YOU.

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THURSDAY MORNING THE FORMER

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SPEAKER OF THE UNITED STATES

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HOUSE, DENNIS HASTERT WILL WALK

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TO THE DIRKSEN FEDERAL BUILDING

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TO FACE FELONY CHARGES.

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THIS CASE ALLEGEDLY INVOLVES THE

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PAYMENT OF HUSH MONEY FOR SEXUAL

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MISCONDUCT THAT REPORTEDLY

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OCCURRED THAT OR THE REPORTEDLY

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HAPPENED LONG BEFORE HE ENTERED

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PUBLIC OFFICE.

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TWO COUNTS INVOLVE BANK FRAUD

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AND LYING TO THE FBI AND EFFORTS

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TO CONCEAL PAYMENTINGS.

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QUESTIONS FAR OUTNUMBER ANY

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ANSWERS OFFERED IN THE

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INDICTMENT AND HASTERT HAS SAID

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NOTHING SO FAR.

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WE TURN FOR A CLOSER TO LOOK TO

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PEOPLE WHO KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE

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FEDERAL SYSTEM.

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FORMER ASSISTANTS U.S. ATTORNEY,

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WHO IS THE PROSECUTOR IN THE

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CASE AGAINST GEORGE RYAN AND NEW

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PARTNER IN A LAW FIRM.

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AND MATTHEW CROWL A FORMER U.S.

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ASSISTANTS ATTORNEY, SERVED AS

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FIRST DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF

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UNDER RICHARD M.DALEY.

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WELCOME TO "CHICAGO TONIGHT".

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YOU HAVE READ INDICTMENTS MORE

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THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THIS ROOM.

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DOES THIS INDICTMENT LOOK TO YOU

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AS IF A DEAL HAS BEEN STRUCK,

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BECAUSE IT IS ONLY TWO COUNTS?

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>> THAT IS NOT THE WAY I READ

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IT.

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THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME

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DISCUSSIONS BUT NOT A DEAL IN

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PLACE.

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IF YOU ARE GOING TO CUT A DEAL

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ON THIS, YOU WOULD DO IT BEFORE

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INDICTMENT, AND YOU DO WHAT IS

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CALLED, SIGNALING AN AGREEMENT

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IN PLACE.

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I DON'T READ IT AS AN INDICTMENT

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WHERE THINGS HAVE BEEN DECIDED.

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>> AND MATTHEW CROWL, HASTERT IS

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SUCH A BIG NAME.

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BUT NO PRESS CONFERENCE AT THE

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DIRKSEN FEDERAL BUILDING.

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OFTEN THIS IS WHERE THE U.S.

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ATTORNEY STANDS UP WITH THE

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GOVERNMENT ON ONE SIDE AND

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ANNOUNCE IT.

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WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE NOT?

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>> IT IS A PLAIN VANILLA

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INDICTMENT.

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TWO CRIMES, THAT ALTHOUGH THEY

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RELATE TO A VERY HIGH PROFILE

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PUBLIC FIGURE, PROBABLY CAME TO

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THE FBI, AND THEY DON'T RELATE

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TO HIS WORK IN POLITICAL OFFICE.

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AND IT'S SAD ALL AROUND.

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AND FRANKLY THE INDICTMENT

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DOESN'T SAY A WHOLE LONG.

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STRUCTURING IS A VERY SIMPLE

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CRIME, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE AT

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THAT TIME MONEY COME FROM AN

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ILLEGAL SOURCE.

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AND LYING TO THE FBI...

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>> STRUCTURING, IF I WANT TO GO

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TO MY BANK AND PULL OUT MORE

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THAN $10,000, AND GIVE TO IT

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PATRICK OFF HERE, IS THAT A

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PROBLEM IF I TRY TO DO IT IN

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SMALLER INCREMENTS INSTEAD?

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>> IT IS A CRIME IF YOU DO IT IN

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SMALLER INCREMENTS, SO THAT THE

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BANK WON'T REPORT IT.

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IF YOU DID IT ONCE, THE FEDS

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WOULDN'T PROSECUTE YOU.

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BUT HERE, A HARD INDICTMENT TO

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DEFEND BECAUSE HE DID IT FIVE L

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FIFTEEN TIMES AND WAS TOLD IF HE

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TOOK OUT $50,000, AND BY THE WAY

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WE HAVE TO REPORT THIS.

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AND HE STARTED TO DO IT, ANOTHER

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HUNDRED TIMES LESS THAN $10,000.

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IT IS VERY CLEAR WHAT THE INTENT

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IS IF THE ALLEGATIONS IS TRUE.

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THAT IS THE CRIME.

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>> GOOD IDEA, PATRICK COLLINS

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THAT HE TALKED TO THE FBI BY

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HIMSELF?

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>> IT IS IF YOU TELL THE TRUTH.

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WHAT IS ODD, SO MANY ODDITIES

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BUT IF HE TALKSES TO THE

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GOVERNMENT AND SAID I HAD THIS

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MISCONDUCT SITUATION AND I WILL

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PAY THIS INDIVIDUAL A TO

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COMPENSATE HIM OR HER NOR

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WRONGDOING I COMMITTED ON HIM,

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30 YEARS AGO.

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THERE IS NO FEDERAL CRIME OR

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STRUCTURING IF HE WRITES A

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CHECK.

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THERE IS NO FEDERAL CRIME OF

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LYING, IF YOU TELL THE TRUTH.

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WHAT HAPPENED HERE, TWO KINDS OF

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COVERUP AND IN THE A CRIME OF

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SUBSTANCE.

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THAT IS NOT TO BELITTLE WHAT

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HAPPENED, BUT IT IS PRETTY CLEAR

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THERE WAS PROBABLY A STATUTE OF

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LIMITATIONS ISSUE AND DEFENSE

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COULDN'T GET THAT, AND REALLY A

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CRIME THAT ALMOST MR. HAS TERLT

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BROUGHT UPON HIMSELF BY THE WAY

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HE MADE THE PAYMENTS.

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>> WHAT ELSE DO YOU THINK IS ODD

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ABOUT THE CASE?

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>> IT IS ODD THAT THE CONDUCT

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APPEARS, HE IS A PUBLIC

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OFFICIAL, THE PAYMENT

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CONVERSATIONS DO NOT HAPPEN

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UNTIL AFTER HE'S A PUBLIC

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OFFICIAL.

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THE VALUE OF THE EXTORTION OR

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BLACK MAIL F THAT THAT IS THAT

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IT WAS, WHY WOULD YOU PAY $3.5

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MILLION TO JOE SMITH FOR THAT.

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SO VERY ODD, WHY DOES HE NOT

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HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE, HE IS

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ASKED YOU A THE QUESTIONS THAT

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YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN.

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INDIVIDUAL A DOES INDIVIDUAL A

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GET THE KEEP THE MONEY AND DOES

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INDIVIDUAL A NOT GET CHARGED

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WITH ANYTHING IN THIS?

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>> I THINK A CORDING TO THE

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ALLEGATIONS INDIVIDUAL A COULD

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BE CHARGED WITH EXTORTION AND HE

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MAY BE CHARGED WITH EXTORTION,

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AND IT COULD BE UNDER SEAL ABOUT

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I WAS SURPRISED BY THAT.

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DOESN'T GET TO KEEP THE MONEY.

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PROCEEDS OF A CRIME, AND THE ODD

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THINGS ABOUT THIS CASE IN

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ADDITION IS IT IS VERY STRANGE

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FROM THE VICTIM BECOMES THE

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PERPETRATOR AND PERPETRATOR

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BECOMES THE VICTIM.

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ALLEGEDLY THIS KID WAS

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VICTIMIZED WHEN HE WAS YOUNG,

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AND NOW BECOMES THE EXTORTER,

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AND DENNY HASTERT WAS THE

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PERPETRATOR AND NOW THE VICTIM.

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U.S. ATTORNEYS OFFICE HAS TO

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HAVE STRUCK A DEAL WITH

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INDIVIDUAL A.

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BECAUSE THE INDICTMENT IS AT

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LEAST RICH ENOUGH THAT

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INFORMATION IS COMING FROM

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SOMEONE, PROBABLY THAT PERSON.

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>> I WOULD BE SURPRISED, I AGREE

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WITH MATE, THEY CUT A DEAL,

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COULD BE IMMUNITY AND IT IS

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CLEAR, THEY TALKED TO INDIVIDUAL

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A AND GOT THE STORY.

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BUT WHETHER INDIVIDUAL A WILL BE

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CHARGED PARTICULARLY IF THE

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MISCONDUCT IS WHAT IS SPECULATED

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I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THEY

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CHARGED INDIVIDUAL A

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SUBSTANTIVELY.

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LEAKS FROM THE FEDERAL BUILDING

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ARE TROUBLING ABOUT...

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>> THAT IS INTERESTING, THE

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LEAKS BASICALLY CONFIRMED RIGHT

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AWAY THAT IT WAS A SEXUAL

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MISCONDUCT CASE.

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SOMETHING NOT WRITTEN IN THE

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INDICTMENT ITSELF.

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>> THAT IS TROUBLING.

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THERE IS A SOURCE TO FEDERAL

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OFFICIALS WHICH IS VERY TROUBLE

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BECAUSE A LOT GOES INTO AN

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INDICTMENT TO STRUCTURE IT A

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CERTAIN WAY.

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IT HAD THE WORD MISCONDUCT AND

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DIDN'T SAY SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.

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AND FOR SOMEONE TO SAY WITHIN 24

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HOURS SO SAY IT WAS SEXUAL AND

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THERE WAS SECOND VICTIM, THAT IS

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NOT THE WAY IT SHOULD WORK.

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>> THE SON OF DENNIS HASTERT AND

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THE LAW FIRM, WHERE THE JUDGE,

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TOM DURKIN WAS A PARTNER, A GOOD

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IDEA FOR HIS SON IF HE CONTINUES

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TO BE REPRESENTED?

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>> A BAD IDEA TO REPRESENT YOUR

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DAD.

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VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE A

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PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT AND

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DISTANCE.

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BUT I'M SURE THAT ETHAN HASTERT

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WOULDN'T DO IT ALONE THEY WOULD

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BE PART OF THE PRACTICE, A BIT

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WHILE COLLAR PRACTICE, AND HE'S

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REPRESENTING HIS FATHER IT IS

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PART OF A TEAM, I'M SURE.

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>> CAN TOM DURKIN RECUSE HIMSELF

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AS A JUDGINGS BECAUSE HE GAVE A

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CONTRIBUTION YEARS AGO TO THEN

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CONGRESSMAN DENNIS HASTERT?

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>> I KNOW HE IS AN HONORABLE

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PERSON AND HE WILL DO THE RIGHT

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THING.

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I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THE JUDGE

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WOULD BE FAIR.

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IF I WAS CRIMINAL DEFENDANT,

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SOME JUDGES IN THE BUILDING

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WHETHER YOU ARE A DEFENDANT OR

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PROSECUTOR, YOU ARE GLAD TO HAVE

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THAT DRAW BECAUSE YOU YOU KNOW

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THEY ARE FAIR.

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AND I WOULD PUT THAT JUDGE IN

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THAT BOOK.

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WHETHER HE FEELS HE NEEDS TO DO

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SOMETHING, THAT IS HIS CALL.

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>> IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT

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DENNIS HASTERT WILL NOT,

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ASSUMING HE PLEADS GUILTY OR IS

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FOUND GUILTY HAVE TO DO PRISON

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TIME?

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>> THERE IS A POSSIBILITY.

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IF YOU LOOK FOR SENTENCING GAID

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LINES AND WORK THE GUIDELINES,

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IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A TWO-YEAR

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SENTENCE BUT A LOT OF LENIENCY

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THAT A JUDGE CAN GIVE IF IT

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DOESN'T INVOLVE CRIMINAL

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ACTIVITY, THE ACTUAL PAYMENT

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ITSELF.

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AND THEN THE GAID LINES ARE NOT

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BIND ANYTHING MORE AND FEDERAL

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JUDGE HAS TREMENDOUS LENIENCY.

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>> IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE AN

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ARGUMENT, AND YOU ARE A FINE

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LAWYER SO YOU WOULD KNOW THE

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ANSWER TO THIS.

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SO TAKE LOOK, THERE IS

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MITIGATION HERE, HASTERT FELT

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HORRIBLE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT

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HAPPENED IN HIS PAST AND TRIED

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TO MAKE IT RIGHT.

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HE WAS PANICKED ABOUT IT BECAUSE

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OF WHAT KIND OF STAIN IT COULD

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PUT ON HIM BUT WASN'T DOING

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ANYTHING PURPOSELY ILLEGAL.

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JUST TRYING TO DO IT QUIETLY.

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COULD YOU MAKE THAT ARGUMENT IN

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COURT?

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>> I THAT I LAWYER WILL MAKE

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SOME OF THAT ARGUMENT AND IF

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THERE IS A NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT

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WHERE MR. HASTERT ACKNOWLEDGES

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CERTAIN WRONGDOING TO SAY IT HAD

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NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS ROLE AS A

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PUBLIC SERVANT.

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FOR 30 YEARS A GREAT PUBLIC

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SERVANT BUT BRACKETED BY

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MISTAKES.

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THE REALITY IS THAT MR. HASTERT

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BECAUSE HE LIED AND BECAUSE HE

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STRUCTURED IN SUCH AN OBVIOUS

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WAY, I THINK A JUDGE WOULD HAVE

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TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT IT.

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BUT HE IS 73 AND THAT PLAYS IN

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TO THE NARRATIVE IN THE FEDERAL

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BUILDINGS AND MITIGATION IS

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SOMETHING HE COULD GRANT.

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IF THIS HAPPENS QUICKLY THERE IS

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A BETTER ARGUMENT THAN THIS.

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>> SOME PEOPLE THINK IT IS

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IRONIC THERE IS NO STATUTE OF

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LIMITATIONS ON MURDER BUT THERE

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IS ON THE MOLESTATION OF MURDER.

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MURDER IS THE ONLY THING FOR

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WHICH THERE IS NO STATUTE.

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>> I BELIEVE THAT IS THE CASE.

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THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT

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CRIMES WHEN YOU THINK WHAT

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DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE, IF YOU

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ARE CAN PROVE IT, IT SHOULD BE

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BROUGHT.

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BUT THAT IS A DECISION FOR THE

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ILLINOIS LEGISLATOR TO MAKE AND

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THEY HAVE OTHER THINGS ON THEIR

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PLATE RATSZ THAN CHANGING

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STATUTES OF LIMITATION.

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THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE ON

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"CHICAGO TONIGHT".

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CPS BARBARA BYRD-BENNETT CALLS

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IT QUITS AMID A FEDERAL