WEBVTT 00:03.804 --> 00:04.805 >>>TONIGHT IN 00:04.805 --> 00:05.138 ATLANTA 00:05.138 --> 00:05.939 AN 00:05.939 --> 00:06.540 NCAA 00:06.540 --> 00:07.708 BASKETBALL CHAMPION WILL BE 00:07.708 --> 00:08.408 CROWNED. 00:08.408 --> 00:10.344 50 YEARS AGO 00:10.344 --> 00:11.078 CHICAGO'S 00:11.078 --> 00:11.645 LOYOLA 00:11.645 --> 00:12.813 UNIVERSITY WON THE TITLE, 00:12.813 --> 00:14.748 STILL THE ONLY TEAM TO HOLD 00:14.748 --> 00:15.315 THAT 00:15.315 --> 00:15.916 DISTINCTION. 00:15.916 --> 00:17.417 THE VICTORY CAME IN A 00:17.417 --> 00:18.585 THRILLING OVERTIME GAME. 00:18.585 --> 00:20.020 BUT THE VENTS 00:20.020 --> 00:20.554 LEADING UP TO 00:20.554 --> 00:21.788 THE WIN WAS AS 00:21.788 --> 00:22.489 COMPELLING AS 00:22.489 --> 00:23.991 THE GAME. 00:23.991 --> 00:26.693 WE WILL TALK 00:26.693 --> 00:27.027 TO 00:27.027 --> 00:27.794 A NEW 00:27.794 --> 00:28.729 AUTHOR. 00:28.729 --> 00:29.696 BUT FIRST THE 00:29.696 --> 00:30.998 HOSTILE RACIAL 00:30.998 --> 00:36.937 CLIMATE THE TEAM FACED. 00:36.937 --> 00:37.771 >>EARLY 00:37.771 --> 00:38.505 19 00:38.505 --> 00:39.506 60s AMERICA, THE 00:39.506 --> 00:41.341 CIVIL RIGHTS STRUGGLE WAS IN 00:41.341 --> 00:41.808 FULL SWING. 00:41.808 --> 00:42.743 IN THE 00:42.743 --> 00:43.810 SEGREGATED SOUTH, 00:43.810 --> 00:44.845 -- 00:44.845 --> 00:45.512 AFRICAN-AMERICANS WEREN'T 00:45.512 --> 00:47.181 ALLOWED TO PLAY SPORTS AT MOST 00:47.181 --> 00:48.448 MAJOR COLLEGES, EVEN IF 00:48.448 --> 00:49.082 THEY 00:49.082 --> 00:50.217 COULD GAIN ADMISSION. 00:50.217 --> 00:52.085 THINGS WERE SLIGHTLY BETTER 00:52.085 --> 00:52.619 FOR BLACK 00:52.619 --> 00:53.654 ATHLETES IN THE 00:53.654 --> 00:54.054 NORTH. 00:54.054 --> 00:55.022 >>IT WAS AN 00:55.022 --> 00:56.256 UNWRITTEN 00:56.256 --> 00:57.291 RULE 00:57.291 --> 00:57.858 , 00:57.858 --> 00:59.126 THAT THE MOST YOU SHOULD 00:59.126 --> 00:59.760 HAVE 00:59.760 --> 01:00.527 IS TWO. 01:00.527 --> 01:01.895 AND THEY WERE 01:01.895 --> 01:02.462 PUSHING THAT 01:02.462 --> 01:04.331 MIGHT BE TOO MUCH. 01:04.331 --> 01:05.165 >>IN 01:05.165 --> 01:05.499 1961 01:05.499 --> 01:06.300 , 01:06.300 --> 01:07.267 LOYOLA 01:07.267 --> 01:07.835 COACH 01:07.835 --> 01:09.770 IRELAND WAS TIRED OF 01:09.770 --> 01:10.571 MEDIOCRITY HE 01:10.571 --> 01:11.271 COACHED THE 01:11.271 --> 01:12.739 RAMBLERS FOR 10 YEARS TO 01:12.739 --> 01:13.540 MODERATE SUCCESS. 01:13.540 --> 01:14.741 A 500 RECORD DIDN'T 01:14.741 --> 01:16.143 SUIT THE 01:16.143 --> 01:16.844 AMBITIOUS COACH. 01:16.844 --> 01:18.078 HE WANTED TO 01:18.078 --> 01:19.012 WIN BIG. 01:19.012 --> 01:19.947 >>HE WON 15 01:19.947 --> 01:21.014 GAMES AND LOST 01:21.014 --> 01:22.082 10, 01:22.082 --> 01:23.183 LOYOLA WOULD 01:23.183 --> 01:24.551 BE HAPPY WITH 01:24.551 --> 01:25.419 GEORGE 01:25.419 --> 01:26.353 IRELAND. 01:26.353 --> 01:27.521 HE WANTED TO WIN. 01:27.521 --> 01:28.755 HE SAID I'M GOING TO DO 01:28.755 --> 01:30.157 IT. 01:30.157 --> 01:30.591 >>GEORGE 01:30.591 --> 01:32.292 IRELAND WAS READY TO 01:32.292 --> 01:33.126 RECRUIT AMERICA'S BEST 01:33.126 --> 01:33.527 PLAYERS. 01:33.527 --> 01:34.761 HE WAS READY TO PUT 01:34.761 --> 01:35.329 THEM ON 01:35.329 --> 01:36.563 THE FLOOR, NO MATTER WHAT 01:36.563 --> 01:37.497 THEIR RACE. 01:37.497 --> 01:38.732 HE WAS ALSO READY 01:38.732 --> 01:40.067 FOR CRITICS. 01:40.067 --> 01:40.934 >>HE WAS 01:40.934 --> 01:41.668 JUST 01:41.668 --> 01:42.269 RIDICULED. 01:42.269 --> 01:44.137 WHEN HE WOULDN'T MAKE A 01:44.137 --> 01:45.005 BANQUET THEY SAID HE'S OUT 01:45.005 --> 01:45.739 IN 01:45.739 --> 01:46.940 AFRICA RECRUITING BALL 01:46.940 --> 01:48.008 PLAYERS. 01:48.008 --> 01:49.543 AND THINGS LIKE THAT 01:49.543 --> 01:50.611 >>TEAM IRELAND PUT TOGETHER 01:50.611 --> 01:51.879 INCLUDED A STARTING LINE-UP 01:51.879 --> 01:52.880 OF 01:52.880 --> 01:53.947 FOUR AFRICAN-AMERICANS. 01:53.947 --> 01:56.617 LESLIE HUNTER AND 01:56.617 --> 01:59.820 VIC 01:59.820 --> 02:00.120 ROUSE 02:00.120 --> 02:02.689 FROM NASHVILLE 02:02.689 --> 02:03.457 , 02:03.457 --> 02:04.224 JOHN 02:04.224 --> 02:05.626 EGAN. 02:05.626 --> 02:06.493 THE NEW 02:06.493 --> 02:07.794 TALENT 02:07.794 --> 02:08.829 TRANSFORMED 02:08.829 --> 02:10.964 LOYOLA BASKETBALL OVERNIGHT, 02:10.964 --> 02:11.431 THE 02:11.431 --> 02:13.200 TEAM WENT 02:13.200 --> 02:13.634 23-4 02:13.634 --> 02:14.234 MAKING THE 02:14.234 --> 02:15.736 FINAL FOUR IN THE NIT 02:15.736 --> 02:16.503 TOURNAMENT. 02:16.503 --> 02:18.038 SUCCESS ON THE COURT CAME 02:18.038 --> 02:18.939 DESPITE THE 02:18.939 --> 02:19.873 PERSISTENT RACISM 02:19.873 --> 02:21.508 THAT SURROUNDED THE TEAM. 02:21.508 --> 02:22.242 >> 02:22.242 --> 02:22.976 IT 02:22.976 --> 02:23.777 WAS 02:23.777 --> 02:26.947 CHANCE 02:26.947 --> 02:27.581 CHANTS, OUR 02:27.581 --> 02:28.749 TEAM IS RED HOT, YOUR 02:28.749 --> 02:29.383 TEAM IS 02:29.383 --> 02:30.484 ALL BLACK. 02:30.484 --> 02:31.985 >>STUDENTS, YOUR PEOPLE I 02:31.985 --> 02:32.986 SHOULD SAY IN THE 02:32.986 --> 02:33.854 STANDS WHO 02:33.854 --> 02:34.788 WOULD THROW 02:34.788 --> 02:36.089 COINS OUT ON THE 02:36.089 --> 02:37.024 COURT, WHO 02:37.024 --> 02:38.358 WOULD 02:38.358 --> 02:38.692 HURL 02:38.692 --> 02:39.259 PAPER 02:39.259 --> 02:40.494 BAGS, JUST GARBAGE 02:40.494 --> 02:41.461 AT US A 02:41.461 --> 02:43.330 WHEN WE WERE IN THE HUDDLE. 02:43.330 --> 02:43.830 ALL KINDS 02:43.830 --> 02:45.232 OF THINGS WERE BEING 02:45.232 --> 02:46.366 SCREAMED AT US. 02:46.366 --> 02:47.801 >>AT HALFTIME HE WENT UNDER 02:47.801 --> 02:48.936 THE TUNNEL, I 02:48.936 --> 02:49.336 WILL NEVER 02:49.336 --> 02:50.470 FORGET, THEY ARE 02:50.470 --> 02:51.805 SPITTING ON 02:51.805 --> 02:53.373 US THROWING MONEY ON US, 02:53.373 --> 02:54.174 CALLING US ALL OF 02:54.174 --> 02:54.842 NAMES. 02:54.842 --> 02:56.109 I WONDERED WHY THEY 02:56.109 --> 02:56.777 HATED ME 02:56.777 --> 02:58.045 SO AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW 02:58.045 --> 02:58.679 ME. 02:58.679 --> 03:00.214 >>JOINING US WITH THE REST OF 03:00.214 --> 03:01.548 THE STORY ARE JOHN 03:01.548 --> 03:02.449 EGAN, HE 03:02.449 --> 03:03.383 WAS A JUNIOR 03:03.383 --> 03:05.185 ON THE 03:05.185 --> 03:06.186 19673 03:06.186 --> 03:06.887 CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM. 03:06.887 --> 03:08.121 RICH ROCHELLE, 03:08.121 --> 03:08.922 BACK-UP 03:08.922 --> 03:09.890 CENTER 03:09.890 --> 03:11.725 ALSO A IOR DURING THE 03:11.725 --> 03:12.326 CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON. 03:12.326 --> 03:13.360 MICHAEL LENEHAN 03:13.360 --> 03:14.695 THE AUTHOR OF 03:14.695 --> 03:15.996 A NEW BOOK ABOUT THE TEAM 03:15.996 --> 03:17.030 AND 03:17.030 --> 03:18.398 THEIR CHAMPIONSHIP 03:18.398 --> 03:19.333 SEASON 03:19.333 --> 03:22.769 . 03:22.769 --> 03:23.871 WELCOME ALL TO CHICAGO 03:23.871 --> 03:24.705 TONIGHT. 03:24.705 --> 03:25.839 PLAYERS CONGRATULATIONS ON 03:25.839 --> 03:27.708 THIS 50th ANNIVERSARY. 03:27.708 --> 03:28.175 LET ME 03:28.175 --> 03:29.543 BEGIN WITH MICHAEL 03:29.543 --> 03:29.910 LENEHAN. 03:29.910 --> 03:31.144 IN TERMS OF RACE, WHAT 03:31.144 --> 03:31.445 MADE 03:31.445 --> 03:32.913 THIS TEAM UNIQUE? 03:32.913 --> 03:33.814 THERE WERE OTHER TEAMS 03:33.814 --> 03:34.381 THAT 03:34.381 --> 03:35.549 HAD AFRICAN-AMERICAN PLAYERS. 03:35.549 --> 03:36.416 >>THE 03:36.416 --> 03:37.551 INTEGRATION OF 03:37.551 --> 03:37.918 COLLEGE 03:37.918 --> 03:39.353 BASKETBALL STARTS AT 03:39.353 --> 03:40.053 THE END 03:40.053 --> 03:41.655 OF THE WAR AND IT GOES 03:41.655 --> 03:42.256 UP 03:42.256 --> 03:44.691 ñU t 03:44.691 --> 03:45.759 THROUGH LET'S 03:45.759 --> 03:47.127 SAY 03:47.127 --> 03:50.664 'S 66 03:50.664 --> 03:51.231 -- 03:51.231 --> 03:53.834 LET'S SAY 03:53.834 --> 03:56.336 '66 WON 03:56.336 --> 03:57.638 -- WHEN 03:57.638 --> 03:58.105 TEXAS WON WITH 03:58.105 --> 03:59.439 FIVE BLACK 03:59.439 --> 04:00.240 STARTERS. 04:00.240 --> 04:02.109 THEY WERE 04:02.109 --> 04:02.743 RELUCTANT ABOUT HOW 04:02.743 --> 04:03.944 MANY BLACK FACES THEY 04:03.944 --> 04:04.578 HAD IN 04:04.578 --> 04:05.712 THE TEAM PICTURE. 04:05.712 --> 04:07.281 THE INSTITUTIONS WERE 04:07.281 --> 04:08.615 OVERWHELMINGLY WHITE EVEN THE 04:08.615 --> 04:09.550 ONES WHO ARE 04:09.550 --> 04:10.184 RECRUITING AND 04:10.184 --> 04:11.685 PLAYING A LOT OF BLACK PLAYERS 04:11.685 --> 04:12.953 THE STUDENT BODY IS 04:12.953 --> 04:14.354 WHITE, THE 04:14.354 --> 04:14.888 FACULTY WHITE 04:14.888 --> 04:15.656 , 04:15.656 --> 04:16.690 ALUMNI WHITER 04:16.690 --> 04:18.525 THAN THE STUDENT BODY AND 04:18.525 --> 04:19.326 FACULTY. 04:19.326 --> 04:20.594 COACHES WERE A 04:20.594 --> 04:21.261 LITTLE 04:21.261 --> 04:21.795 LESS 04:21.795 --> 04:22.162 TAN. 04:22.162 --> 04:23.497 HOW MANY BLACK GUYS CAN 04:23.497 --> 04:23.864 I PUT 04:23.864 --> 04:25.365 ON THE FLOOR AND STILL 04:25.365 --> 04:26.533 REPRESENT THIS WHITE 04:26.533 --> 04:27.234 INSTITUTION? 04:27.234 --> 04:28.535 >>THERE WAS AN 04:28.535 --> 04:29.102 UNWRITTEN LAW 04:29.102 --> 04:30.571 YOU COULD HAVE TWO 04:30.571 --> 04:31.305 AFRICAN-AMERICAN PLAYERS ON 04:31.305 --> 04:32.639 THE COURT AT ANY TIME. 04:32.639 --> 04:34.107 AND YOU WERE PUSHING THINGS IF 04:34.107 --> 04:35.609 YOU WENT BEYOND THAT. 04:35.609 --> 04:36.510 >>YOU KNOW 04:36.510 --> 04:37.945 , UNWRITTEN LAW 04:37.945 --> 04:38.645 , 04:38.645 --> 04:40.047 GENTLEMEN'S AGREEMENT, 04:40.047 --> 04:41.582 I 04:41.582 --> 04:42.449 INTERPRET IT MOSTLY 04:42.449 --> 04:43.851 AS A JOKE. 04:43.851 --> 04:44.718 COACHES TOLD EACH OTHER 04:44.718 --> 04:45.786 , COULD 04:45.786 --> 04:47.855 YOU 04:47.855 --> 04:48.288 PLAY 04:48.288 --> 04:49.356 -- HOW DID IT 04:49.356 --> 04:49.923 GO? 04:49.923 --> 04:50.958 ONE ON THE ROAD 04:50.958 --> 04:52.259 , TWO AT HOME, 04:52.259 --> 04:54.194 THREE IF YOU ARE WAY BEHIND. 04:54.194 --> 04:55.295 THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD SAY. 04:55.295 --> 04:56.296 >>I MEANT TO MENTION 04:56.296 --> 04:57.364 THAT 04:57.364 --> 04:59.099 THAT 04:59.099 --> 04:59.766 WAS 04:59.766 --> 05:00.534 BOB SIROTT 05:00.534 --> 05:00.934 REPORTING 05:00.934 --> 05:02.536 THAT PIECE. 05:02.536 --> 05:03.370 RICH ROCHELLE, 05:03.370 --> 05:04.071 HOW GOOD WAS 05:04.071 --> 05:04.838 THE TEAM? 05:04.838 --> 05:05.973 >>STREETLY GOOD. 05:05.973 --> 05:07.407 OUR STARTING FIVE 05:07.407 --> 05:08.675 , -- 05:08.675 --> 05:09.409 EXTREMELY GOOD. 05:09.409 --> 05:11.278 OUR STARTING FIVE WAS 05:11.278 --> 05:12.079 COMPARABLE TO THE BEST 05:12.079 --> 05:12.779 THAT 05:12.779 --> 05:14.214 I'VE EVER SEEN. 05:14.214 --> 05:16.216 THEY WERE 05:16.216 --> 05:17.484 FOCUSED 05:17.484 --> 05:18.418 . 05:18.418 --> 05:19.253 AND WE WORKED 05:19.253 --> 05:20.988 HARD AS A 05:20.988 --> 05:21.822 SUPPORTING STAFF 05:21.822 --> 05:22.523 TO HELP 05:22.523 --> 05:23.156 THEM 05:23.156 --> 05:24.658 BE THE VERY BEST THAT THEY 05:24.658 --> 05:25.792 COULD BE. 05:25.792 --> 05:27.628 THEY WERE 05:27.628 --> 05:28.662 ATHLETIC, THEY 05:28.662 --> 05:29.696 WERE 05:29.696 --> 05:30.597 FAST, THEY 05:30.597 --> 05:31.698 WERE 05:31.698 --> 05:32.366 INTELLIGENT. 05:32.366 --> 05:33.500 THEY DID EVERYTHING 05:33.500 --> 05:34.468 THAT YOU 05:34.468 --> 05:35.702 WOULD WANT A GROUP 05:35.702 --> 05:36.403 OF YOUNG 05:36.403 --> 05:37.504 MEN TO DO, TO 05:37.504 --> 05:38.939 BE SUCCESSFUL. 05:38.939 --> 05:39.773 >>HOW DID 05:39.773 --> 05:40.507 YOU 05:40.507 --> 05:42.042 SEE JOHN 05:42.042 --> 05:42.342 EGAN 05:42.342 --> 05:44.144 HOW YOU DID SEE THINGS AS THE 05:44.144 --> 05:44.912 ONLY WHITE PLAYER IN THE 05:44.912 --> 05:46.213 STARTING 05:46.213 --> 05:46.580 LINE-UP? 05:46.580 --> 05:48.015 DO YOU THINK YOU UNDERSTOOD 05:48.015 --> 05:49.149 WHAT THE 05:49.149 --> 05:49.950 OTHER PLAYERS WERE 05:49.950 --> 05:50.484 GOING THROUGH? 05:50.484 --> 05:52.085 >>NOT ENTIRELY. 05:52.085 --> 05:52.986 I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH 05:52.986 --> 05:53.887 THE 05:53.887 --> 05:54.988 UNWRITTEN RULE THAT YOU WERE 05:54.988 --> 05:56.557 TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE I 05:56.557 --> 05:57.724 DIDN'T REALLY FOLLOW COLLEGE 05:57.724 --> 05:58.592 BASKETBALL THAT CLOSELY. 05:58.592 --> 06:00.827 >>YOU JUST PLAYED IT. 06:00.827 --> 06:01.962 >>JUST PLAY. 06:01.962 --> 06:03.163 I DON'T REALLY THINK 06:03.163 --> 06:04.164 I COULD 06:04.164 --> 06:05.332 IDENTIFY WITH THE THING FAST 06:05.332 --> 06:06.567 THAT THE BLACK PLAYERS 06:06.567 --> 06:07.167 WERE 06:07.167 --> 06:08.468 GOING THROUGH THAT SEASON 06:08.468 --> 06:09.803 , 06:09.803 --> 06:10.204 BECAUSE 06:10.204 --> 06:11.305 THEY'VE BEEN BLACK 06:11.305 --> 06:12.339 SINCE THEY WERE BORN. 06:12.339 --> 06:13.540 A LOT OF THINGS THAT 06:13.540 --> 06:13.907 DIDN'T 06:13.907 --> 06:15.075 BOTHER ME, I KNOW 06:15.075 --> 06:15.676 BOTHERED 06:15.676 --> 06:16.143 THEM. 06:16.143 --> 06:17.644 WE OF COURSE DIDN'T GET IT AT 06:17.644 --> 06:17.945 HOME. 06:17.945 --> 06:19.880 WE GOT IT ON THE ROAD. 06:19.880 --> 06:20.814 >>SPEAKING OF 06:20.814 --> 06:21.682 GETTING IT ON 06:21.682 --> 06:22.449 THE ROAD. 06:22.449 --> 06:23.650 RICH, MY UNDERSTANDING 06:23.650 --> 06:24.351 IS THAT 06:24.351 --> 06:25.786 YOU A PARTICULARLY TOUGH TIME, 06:25.786 --> 06:27.287 THE BLACK PLAYERS HAD A TOUGH 06:27.287 --> 06:28.589 TIME IN HOUSTON, WHEN 06:28.589 --> 06:28.889 YOU 06:28.889 --> 06:29.590 PLAYED THAT YEAR. 06:29.590 --> 06:30.591 TELL US ABOUT 06:30.591 --> 06:32.192 HOUSTON. 06:32.192 --> 06:32.759 >> 06:32.759 --> 06:33.594 THAT WAS 06:33.594 --> 06:34.361 IN MY OPINION 06:34.361 --> 06:35.128 , 06:35.128 --> 06:37.798 THE 06:37.798 --> 06:40.267 WORST 06:40.267 --> 06:41.068 OPEN 06:41.068 --> 06:42.002 RACISM 06:42.002 --> 06:43.003 THAT WE HAD 06:43.003 --> 06:43.437 FACED. 06:43.437 --> 06:44.938 WE HAD FACED IT IN OTHER 06:44.938 --> 06:46.106 PLACES, OBVIOUSLY. 06:46.106 --> 06:47.674 BUT IN HOUSTON 06:47.674 --> 06:48.609 , 06:48.609 --> 06:49.743 WE WERE 06:49.743 --> 06:50.310 SPIT 06:50.310 --> 06:51.612 UPON, WE HAD 06:51.612 --> 06:52.246 GARBAGE 06:52.246 --> 06:53.180 THROWN AT 06:53.180 --> 06:54.515 US, PENNIES 06:54.515 --> 06:55.916 THROWN 06:55.916 --> 06:56.750 AT US. 06:56.750 --> 06:58.385 AS WE SAT ON THE 06:58.385 --> 06:58.752 BENCH WE 06:58.752 --> 06:59.052 HAD 06:59.052 --> 07:00.254 TO DODGE ICE BEING 07:00.254 --> 07:00.888 THROWN AT 07:00.888 --> 07:02.856 US AND OF COURSE YOU HAD 07:02.856 --> 07:03.590 THE "N" WORD BEING 07:03.590 --> 07:04.124 USED 07:04.124 --> 07:04.558 FREQUENTLY IS 07:04.558 --> 07:05.826 >>HOW DID YOU REACT TO 07:05.826 --> 07:06.126 THAT 07:06.126 --> 07:06.994 AS A 07:06.994 --> 07:08.529 BLACK MAN? 07:08.529 --> 07:09.062 >>AS A 07:09.062 --> 07:10.097 YOUNG BLACK MAN, 07:10.097 --> 07:11.231 NUMBER ONE IT WAS VERY 07:11.231 --> 07:12.466 DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH. 07:12.466 --> 07:14.067 YOU REACT TO YOU IT BY 07:14.067 --> 07:15.369 NOT 07:15.369 --> 07:15.769 REACTING. 07:15.769 --> 07:16.970 YOU GO AHEAD AND DO THE JOB 07:16.970 --> 07:18.839 YOU ARE THERE TO DO. 07:18.839 --> 07:19.339 OUR JOB 07:19.339 --> 07:20.741 WAS TO PLAY 07:20.741 --> 07:22.242 BASKETBALL. 07:22.242 --> 07:23.010 TO 07:23.010 --> 07:24.444 REPRESENT THE 07:24.444 --> 07:25.479 CHICAGO 07:25.479 --> 07:26.446 AREA, 07:26.446 --> 07:26.947 WITH AS MUCH 07:26.947 --> 07:27.748 DIGNITY AND 07:27.748 --> 07:28.282 GRACE 07:28.282 --> 07:30.350 AS WE POSSIBLY COULD. 07:30.350 --> 07:31.885 >>WAS THAT HARD AT TIMES? 07:31.885 --> 07:33.253 >>IT WAS DIFFICULT 07:33.253 --> 07:34.288 , 07:34.288 --> 07:34.888 BUT 07:34.888 --> 07:35.556 WE 07:35.556 --> 07:37.057 WOULD SIT AND TALK ABOUT HOW 07:37.057 --> 07:38.825 WE WOULD HANDLE CERTAIN 07:38.825 --> 07:39.560 SITUATIONS. 07:39.560 --> 07:40.761 >>YOU AND YOUR 07:40.761 --> 07:42.462 TEAMMATES? 07:42.462 --> 07:43.463 >>TEAMMATES. 07:43.463 --> 07:44.698 THE BLACK 07:44.698 --> 07:45.666 TEAMMATES SPENT A 07:45.666 --> 07:46.967 LOT OF TIME IN MY HOME 07:46.967 --> 07:47.568 , MY 07:47.568 --> 07:49.436 MOTHER USED TO COOK FOR THEM. 07:49.436 --> 07:50.370 THEY WOULD SIT AROUND 07:50.370 --> 07:51.038 AND TALK 07:51.038 --> 07:52.039 ABOUT WHAT WE 07:52.039 --> 07:52.573 SHOULD AND 07:52.573 --> 07:55.375 SHOULD NOT DO. 07:55.375 --> 07:56.276 AND AGAIN 07:56.276 --> 07:57.644 , WE WANTED TO 07:57.644 --> 07:58.478 CONDUCT OURSELVES 07:58.478 --> 07:58.779 AS 07:58.779 --> 07:59.847 GENTLEMEN. 07:59.847 --> 08:01.248 AND SO, WE ALLOWED THEM 08:01.248 --> 08:01.815 TO BE 08:01.815 --> 08:03.383 WHO THEY WERE 08:03.383 --> 08:04.151 , THE 08:04.151 --> 08:05.085 PEOPLE 08:05.085 --> 08:06.119 WHO 08:06.119 --> 08:06.887 WERE FOR LACK OF 08:06.887 --> 08:07.721 A BETTER TERM 08:07.721 --> 08:08.655 , 08:08.655 --> 08:09.056 IGNORANT. 08:09.056 --> 08:10.224 AND WE DECIDED THAT WE 08:10.224 --> 08:10.791 WOULD 08:10.791 --> 08:13.026 NOT GET INVOLVED. 08:13.026 --> 08:14.461 >> 08:14.461 --> 08:15.596 >>MIKE: ALLEN 08:15.596 --> 08:16.163 HAND PERHAPS 08:16.163 --> 08:17.297 THE MOST 08:17.297 --> 08:18.098 FAMOUS 08:18.098 --> 08:19.399 -- MICHAEL 08:19.399 --> 08:20.634 LENEHAN PERHAPS 08:20.634 --> 08:21.702 THE 08:21.702 --> 08:22.002 MOST 08:22.002 --> 08:23.770 FAMOUS WAS THE GAME AGAINST 08:23.770 --> 08:24.872 MISSISSIPPI STATE. 08:24.872 --> 08:25.939 WHY WAS THAT A 08:25.939 --> 08:26.673 KEY GAME? 08:26.673 --> 08:28.575 >>MISSISSIPPI HAD AN 08:28.575 --> 08:29.409 UNWRITTEN 08:29.409 --> 08:30.277 POLICY 08:30.277 --> 08:31.512 ;bP 08:31.512 --> 08:32.479 THAT 08:32.479 --> 08:32.779 THEI 08:32.779 --> 08:33.480 STATE SUPPORTED SCHOOLS WOULD 08:33.480 --> 08:34.047 NOT PLAYR 08:34.047 --> 08:35.983 AGAINST INTEGRATED 08:35.983 --> 08:37.084 TEAMS. 08:37.084 --> 08:37.484 ALTHOUGH THEY 08:37.484 --> 08:38.619 WON THE 08:38.619 --> 08:39.553 SEC 08:39.553 --> 08:40.454 TITLE, 08:40.454 --> 08:41.989 FOUR YEARS OUT OF FIVE 08:41.989 --> 08:42.556 , 08:42.556 --> 08:43.423 THE TITLE THAT IS 08:43.423 --> 08:43.991 NORMALLY 08:43.991 --> 08:45.025 OWNED BY 08:45.025 --> 08:45.993 ADOLPH 08:45.993 --> 08:47.127 OF KENTUCKY 08:47.127 --> 08:47.694 , 08:47.694 --> 08:49.162 THEY DIDN'T GO TO THE 08:49.162 --> 08:50.397 TOURNAMENT, IN 08:50.397 --> 08:51.465 FACT 08:51.465 --> 08:52.199 , 08:52.199 --> 08:53.400 KENTUCKY 08:53.400 --> 08:53.500 GO 08:53.500 --> 08:55.402 TO 08:55.402 --> 08:56.270 GO -- 08:56.270 --> 08:56.904 GOT TO GO 08:56.904 --> 08:57.671 IN THEIR 08:57.671 --> 08:59.106 PLACE BECAUSE OF THIS 08:59.106 --> 09:00.307 UNWRITTEN RULE, BECAUSE 09:00.307 --> 09:01.441 CHANCES ARE YOU ARE GOING TO 09:01.441 --> 09:02.676 RUN INTO AN 09:02.676 --> 09:03.310 AFRICAN-AMERICAN 09:03.310 --> 09:03.944 PLAYER. 09:03.944 --> 09:04.878 IN 1963 THE 09:04.878 --> 09:06.246 PRESIDENT OF THE 09:06.246 --> 09:07.714 UNIVERSITY DECIDED IT WAS TIME 09:07.714 --> 09:08.515 FOR A CHANGE. 09:08.515 --> 09:09.850 HE ANNOUNCED THAT HE WAS 09:09.850 --> 09:10.184 GOING 09:10.184 --> 09:12.019 TO SEND THE TEAM TO THE 09:12.019 --> 09:12.986 TOURNAMENT 09:12.986 --> 09:13.987 . 09:13.987 --> 09:14.454 WHICH 09:14.454 --> 09:15.589 CAUSED A COUPLE OF 09:15.589 --> 09:16.557 WEEKS 09:16.557 --> 09:17.791 OF POLITICAL 09:17.791 --> 09:18.859 INFIGHTING AND A 09:18.859 --> 09:20.093 LOT OF NOISE BEING MADE 09:20.093 --> 09:21.128 IN 09:21.128 --> 09:22.496 CERTAIN MISSISSIPPI NEWSPAPERS 09:22.496 --> 09:23.864 . 09:23.864 --> 09:24.331 BUT, 09:24.331 --> 09:25.098 HE 09:25.098 --> 09:25.766 HANDLED 09:25.766 --> 09:26.733 THE SITUATION 09:26.733 --> 09:27.935 SKILLFULLY AND THEY WERE SET 09:27.935 --> 09:29.636 TO GO TO THE TOURNAMENT. 09:29.636 --> 09:30.270 AND IT 09:30.270 --> 09:31.238 QUICKLY 09:31.238 --> 09:32.272 BECAME KNOWN 09:32.272 --> 09:33.440 THAT THE TEAM THEY WERE 09:33.440 --> 09:34.041 GONNA 09:34.041 --> 09:35.309 PLAY FIRST NOT ONLY HAD 09:35.309 --> 09:35.943 ONE 09:35.943 --> 09:37.177 BLACK GUY IT HAD 09:37.177 --> 09:38.545 FOUR BLACK 09:38.545 --> 09:39.580 GUYS 09:39.580 --> 09:40.948 . 09:40.948 --> 09:41.782 THE NIGHT BEFORE THEY 09:41.782 --> 09:43.483 WERE TO 09:43.483 --> 09:44.918 LEAVE 09:44.918 --> 09:45.219 FOR 09:45.219 --> 09:46.587 EAST LANSING, 09:46.587 --> 09:47.387 MICHIGAN, 09:47.387 --> 09:49.456 A COUPLE OF 09:49.456 --> 09:50.290 SEGREGATIONISTS POLITICIANS 09:50.290 --> 09:51.225 GOT A COURT 09:51.225 --> 09:52.292 ORDER FORBIDDING 09:52.292 --> 09:53.327 THEM TO GO 09:53.327 --> 09:54.661 . 09:54.661 --> 09:55.562 AND THEY 09:55.562 --> 09:56.230 RECEIVED WORD, 09:56.230 --> 09:56.830 THE 09:56.830 --> 09:57.564 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 09:57.564 --> 09:58.899 AND THE COACH 09:58.899 --> 09:59.967 , DAVE 09:59.967 --> 10:00.901 McCARTHY 10:00.901 --> 10:02.169 RECEIVED WORD IN 10:02.169 --> 10:02.970 STARKVILLE 10:02.970 --> 10:03.504 , 10:03.504 --> 10:04.271 MISSISSIPPI, WHERE THE 10:04.271 --> 10:06.773 UNIVERSITY WAS THAT THE 10:06.773 --> 10:07.374 INJUNCTION WAS 10:07.374 --> 10:10.577 ON IT 10:10.577 --> 10:11.411 -- 10:11.411 --> 10:12.913 ITS 10:12.913 --> 10:13.080 WAY 10:13.080 --> 10:14.047 WHICH GAVE THEM THREE 10:14.047 --> 10:15.315 HOURS TO MAKE 10:15.315 --> 10:15.782 ARRANGEMENTS, 10:15.782 --> 10:17.150 THEY HAD A QUICK MEETING AND 10:17.150 --> 10:18.418 PEOPLE STARTED DISAPPEARING 10:18.418 --> 10:19.586 FROM THE STATE. 10:19.586 --> 10:21.154 >>THEY SNUCK OUT OF THE STATE, 10:21.154 --> 10:22.389 MADE IT TO EAST 10:22.389 --> 10:22.990 LANSING AND 10:22.990 --> 10:23.323 PLAYED. 10:23.323 --> 10:24.791 WHAT ARE YOUR RECOLLECTIONS OF 10:24.791 --> 10:26.093 THAT GAME JOHN 10:26.093 --> 10:26.860 EGAN? 10:26.860 --> 10:28.795 >>MY 10:28.795 --> 10:29.530 RECOLLECTIONS HAVE 10:29.530 --> 10:30.597 BEEN 10:30.597 --> 10:31.632 REINFORCED 10:31.632 --> 10:32.399 BY WHAT I READ 10:32.399 --> 10:33.567 ABOUT IT NOW. 10:33.567 --> 10:34.801 AT THAT TIME I HAD NO 10:34.801 --> 10:35.369 HOPE OF 10:35.369 --> 10:37.004 THEM NOT SHOWING UP. 10:37.004 --> 10:37.905 I KNEW WE WEREN'T 10:37.905 --> 10:39.273 FORTUNATE TO 10:39.273 --> 10:39.907 GET A BUY. 10:39.907 --> 10:41.275 I THINK WE PREPARED, I 10:41.275 --> 10:41.875 DON'T 10:41.875 --> 10:43.410 THINK ANYONE TALKED ABOUT THEM 10:43.410 --> 10:44.611 NOT SHOWING UP FOR THAT GAME. 10:44.611 --> 10:46.079 WE EXPECTED THEM TO BE THERE 10:46.079 --> 10:47.114 AND THEY WERE THERE. 10:47.114 --> 10:48.515 AND THEY WERE A REAL GOOD 10:48.515 --> 10:49.616 TEAM. 10:49.616 --> 10:50.717 SINCE THAT TIME OF COURSE, 10:50.717 --> 10:52.052 WE'VE HAD REUNIONS WITH 10:52.052 --> 10:53.053 THAT 10:53.053 --> 10:54.221 THEME AND WE'VE GOTTEN TO 10:54.221 --> 10:54.821 KNOW 10:54.821 --> 10:55.622 THE PLAYERS. 10:55.622 --> 10:56.924 I THINK -- WITH THAT 10:56.924 --> 10:57.491 TEAM AND 10:57.491 --> 10:58.625 WE'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW THE 10:58.625 --> 10:59.693 PLAYERS. 10:59.693 --> 11:00.961 I'M RIGHT WITH 11:00.961 --> 11:01.595 MY ASSESSMENT 11:01.595 --> 11:02.763 THEY WERE GOOD 11:02.763 --> 11:03.597 GUYS 11:03.597 --> 11:04.231 , 11:04.231 --> 11:05.766 .÷f UNLIKE -- 11:05.766 --> 11:06.266 >>MY 11:06.266 --> 11:06.934 UNDERSTANDING IS THAT 11:06.934 --> 11:08.235 THE BLACK 11:08.235 --> 11:08.902 PLAYERS 11:08.902 --> 11:09.837 ON THE TEAM 11:09.837 --> 11:11.038 BEFORE THE MISSISSIPPI STATE 11:11.038 --> 11:11.972 GAME, GOT 11:11.972 --> 11:13.073 IT FROM BOTH 11:13.073 --> 11:14.441 SIDES. 11:14.441 --> 11:15.108 EXPLAIN WHAT 11:15.108 --> 11:16.143 IS MEANT BY 11:16.143 --> 11:17.144 THAT? 11:17.144 --> 11:17.978 >>WELL 11:17.978 --> 11:18.712 , 11:18.712 --> 11:19.780 OBVIOUSLY, 11:19.780 --> 11:20.314 THE 11:20.314 --> 11:21.849 KU KLUX KLAN 11:21.849 --> 11:22.216 , 11:22.216 --> 11:23.183 WHITE 11:23.183 --> 11:24.785 SUPREMACIST GROUPS, ET CETERA 11:24.785 --> 11:25.352 , 11:25.352 --> 11:26.253 MADE A LOT OF 11:26.253 --> 11:28.522 THREATS. 11:28.522 --> 11:29.089 AND THEY 11:29.089 --> 11:30.257 SENT A LOT OF 11:30.257 --> 11:31.825 LETTERS 11:31.825 --> 11:31.959 THAT 11:31.959 --> 11:33.794 GEORGE IRELAND 11:33.794 --> 11:34.294 INTERCEPTED FOR THE 11:34.294 --> 11:35.062 MOST 11:35.062 --> 11:36.096 PART. 11:36.096 --> 11:36.730 THE COACH. 11:36.730 --> 11:38.065 THE WHOLE IDEA WAS THEY 11:38.065 --> 11:38.665 WERE 11:38.665 --> 11:39.600 GOING TO 11:39.600 --> 11:40.968 INTIMIDATE US 11:40.968 --> 11:42.302 . 11:42.302 --> 11:43.504 AT THE SAME TIME 11:43.504 --> 11:44.571 , YOU HAD 11:44.571 --> 11:45.205 THE 11:45.205 --> 11:47.040 BLACK COMMUNITY, THE 11:47.040 --> 11:48.208 AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY 11:48.208 --> 11:48.809 , 11:48.809 --> 11:51.512 WHO SAW THIS 11:51.512 --> 11:52.279 AS AN 11:52.279 --> 11:52.880 OPPORTUNITY 11:52.880 --> 11:58.285 FOR THEIR ORGANIZATIONS 11:58.285 --> 11:59.219 TO 11:59.219 --> 11:59.653 PROSPER FROM 11:59.653 --> 12:01.088 THIS TEAM'S 12:01.088 --> 12:01.788 SUCCESSES. 12:01.788 --> 12:03.323 >>MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU GOT 12:03.323 --> 12:04.558 MAIL TO THE EFFECT THAT YOU 12:04.558 --> 12:05.692 BETTER NOT LOSE. 12:05.692 --> 12:07.995 >>YOU NEED TO WIN IN GAME. 12:07.995 --> 12:09.296 MOST OF THE MAIL WAS 12:09.296 --> 12:11.231 NOT 12:11.231 --> 12:12.165 THAT 12:12.165 --> 12:12.533 POIGNANT. 12:12.533 --> 12:14.201 BUT IT DID LET US 12:14.201 --> 12:15.202 KNOW 12:15.202 --> 12:15.802 THEIR 12:15.802 --> 12:17.337 EXPECTATION WAS, WE WERE GOING 12:17.337 --> 12:19.273 TO REPRESENT 12:19.273 --> 12:19.940 THE 12:19.940 --> 12:20.574 CHICAGO AREA, 12:20.574 --> 12:22.075 THE BLACK COMMUNITY, AND 12:22.075 --> 12:23.977 REPRESENT THEM WELL. 12:23.977 --> 12:24.845 YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER 12:24.845 --> 12:25.512 , 12:25.512 --> 12:26.180 LOYOLA 12:26.180 --> 12:27.381 WAS A LITTLE CATHOLIC 12:27.381 --> 12:27.714 SCHOOL 12:27.714 --> 12:28.949 ON THE NOR SIDE OF 12:28.949 --> 12:29.516 CHICAGO 12:29.516 --> 12:30.784 THAT HAD 12:30.784 --> 12:31.485 NO -- ON 12:31.485 --> 12:32.052 THE 12:32.052 --> 12:33.320 NORTHSIDE OF CHICAGO THAT 12:33.320 --> 12:34.388 HAD 12:34.388 --> 12:35.222 NO REAL 12:35.222 --> 12:36.890 NOTORIETY PRIOR TO OUR 12:36.890 --> 12:38.859 SOPHOMORE YEAR 12:38.859 --> 12:39.126 AND 12:39.126 --> 12:40.194 THIS WAS 12:40.194 --> 12:41.628 THE JUNIOR YEAR. 12:41.628 --> 12:42.563 SO WE GO IT 12:42.563 --> 12:43.697 FROM BOTH SIDES. 12:43.697 --> 12:44.631 AGAIN, WE WOULD 12:44.631 --> 12:45.299 SIT AND TALK 12:45.299 --> 12:46.466 ABOUT HOW TO HANDLE IT. 12:46.466 --> 12:48.735 >>YOU WOUND UP BEGIN 12:48.735 --> 12:49.670 -- UP 12:49.670 --> 12:50.637 WINNING THE GAME BY 10 12:50.637 --> 12:51.271 POINTS. 12:51.271 --> 12:52.539 YOU MAKE 12:52.539 --> 12:53.207 YOUR WAY TO THE 12:53.207 --> 12:53.907 FINAL 12:53.907 --> 12:54.374 GAME. 12:54.374 --> 12:55.576 HOW NERVOUS WERE YOU BEFORE 12:55.576 --> 12:56.677 THE FINAL GAME? 12:56.677 --> 12:57.778 >>I 12:57.778 --> 12:58.812 DON'T THINK I WAS TOO 12:58.812 --> 13:03.150 NERVOUS BEFORE THE FINAL GAME. 13:03.150 --> 13:03.584 I'M NOT SAYING 13:03.584 --> 13:04.618 I WASN'T 13:04.618 --> 13:05.853 NERVOUS, BUT I EXPECTED AT 13:05.853 --> 13:06.153 THE 13:06.153 --> 13:07.287 BEGINNING OF THE YEAR 13:07.287 --> 13:07.855 TO BE IN 13:07.855 --> 13:08.922 THAT FINAL GAME. 13:08.922 --> 13:10.190 I WAS NOT 13:10.190 --> 13:10.924 HAVING A 13:10.924 --> 13:11.625 GOOD 13:11.625 --> 13:12.759 RELATIONSHIP AT THAT TIME WITH 13:12.759 --> 13:14.494 COACH IRELAND. 13:14.494 --> 13:15.028 COACH IRELAND 13:15.028 --> 13:16.396 WOULD GET UPSET 13:16.396 --> 13:17.598 WHEN WE WOULD TALK TO THE 13:17.598 --> 13:17.931 PAPERS. 13:17.931 --> 13:19.199 THE NIGHT BEFORE THE GAME WHEN 13:19.199 --> 13:20.601 I WAS INTERVIEWED 13:20.601 --> 13:21.635 , THEY 13:21.635 --> 13:21.935 WERE 13:21.935 --> 13:23.070 SURPRISED WE BEAT 13:23.070 --> 13:23.670 DUKE. 13:23.670 --> 13:24.972 I SAID I GUESS YOU WILL 13:24.972 --> 13:25.606 BE 13:25.606 --> 13:26.673 SITTING HERE TOMORROW NIGHT 13:26.673 --> 13:27.908 SURPRISED THAT WE 13:27.908 --> 13:28.842 BEAT 13:28.842 --> 13:30.277 CINCINNATI. 13:30.277 --> 13:31.178 >>WHAT WERE YOUR 13:31.178 --> 13:31.745 FEELINGS THE 13:31.745 --> 13:32.980 NIGHT BEFORE THE GAME? 13:32.980 --> 13:34.248 >>A LOT OF 13:34.248 --> 13:35.148 ANTICIPATION. 13:35.148 --> 13:36.416 I FELT VERY GOOD ABOUT 13:36.416 --> 13:36.717 OUR 13:36.717 --> 13:37.417 TEAM. 13:37.417 --> 13:38.685 I FELT GOOD ABOUT OUR 13:38.685 --> 13:39.286 STARTING 13:39.286 --> 13:39.586 FIVE. 13:39.586 --> 13:40.587 THEY WERE IRON 13:40.587 --> 13:41.555 MEN. 13:41.555 --> 13:42.756 MY FEAR WAS, THEIR 13:42.756 --> 13:43.757 LEGS HAD 13:43.757 --> 13:44.958 BEEN RUNOFF 13:44.958 --> 13:45.726 BY THE 13:45.726 --> 13:47.094 COACH. 13:47.094 --> 13:47.995 AND THEY WOULDN'T BE 13:47.995 --> 13:48.929 ABLE TO 13:48.929 --> 13:50.864 PERFORM UP TO THEIR 13:50.864 --> 13:51.899 CAPABILITIES. 13:51.899 --> 13:52.332 ALSO 13:52.332 --> 13:53.467 , ALL YEAR LODGE 13:53.467 --> 13:54.234 , 13:54.234 --> 13:54.801 THERE 13:54.801 --> 13:56.069 HAD BEEN THIS -- ALL 13:56.069 --> 13:57.070 YEAR LONG, 13:57.070 --> 13:58.605 THERE HAD BEEN THIS DISCUSSION 13:58.605 --> 13:59.773 OF LOYOLA, 13:59.773 --> 14:00.574 VS. 14:00.574 --> 14:01.175 CINCINNATI. 14:01.175 --> 14:02.309 WOULD IT EVER HAPPEN? 14:02.309 --> 14:05.045 OBVIOUSLY, HERE IT COMES. 14:05.045 --> 14:05.479 I FELT VERY 14:05.479 --> 14:06.513 CONFIDENT THAT THE 14:06.513 --> 14:07.681 TEAM WE WERE PUTTING ON THE 14:07.681 --> 14:09.349 FLOOR WAS GOING TO 14:09.349 --> 14:10.184 REPRESENT 14:10.184 --> 14:10.717 VERY 14:10.717 --> 14:12.386 WELL, THE CHICAGO AREA. 14:12.386 --> 14:13.253 >>ONCE AGAIN, 14:13.253 --> 14:14.254 LET'S LOOK AT A 14:14.254 --> 14:16.190 PIECE OF OUR 14:16.190 --> 14:16.957 2003 14:16.957 --> 14:17.357 DOCUMENTARY 14:17.357 --> 14:18.258 ABOUT THE TEAM. 14:18.258 --> 14:19.760 HERE'S THE DESCRIPTION OF THE 14:19.760 --> 14:20.928 FINAL GAME WINNING PLAY. 14:20.928 --> 14:21.328 >> 14:21.328 --> 14:22.496 >>ANNOUNCER: 15 SECONDS OUT 14:22.496 --> 14:23.330 TO 14:23.330 --> 14:24.765 EGAN THEY WILL GIVE IT TO 14:24.765 --> 14:27.134 HARKNESS WHEN IT IS TIME. 14:27.134 --> 14:28.302 >>THE BALL WENT TO HARKNESS 14:28.302 --> 14:30.137 GOING UP FOR A SHOT, 14:30.137 --> 14:30.804 DEFENDED 14:30.804 --> 14:31.071 . 14:31.071 --> 14:31.705 >> 14:31.705 --> 14:32.639 >>ANNOUNCER: THERE HE GOES. 14:32.639 --> 14:33.941 >>I GO UP AND I COULD 14:33.941 --> 14:34.241 STILL 14:34.241 --> 14:35.108 FEEL -- 14:35.108 --> 14:36.510 HE TIPS THE BALL A 14:36.510 --> 14:38.378 LITTLE, I COULD STILL FEEL IT. 14:38.378 --> 14:39.947 I DIDN'T FEEL RIGHT. 14:39.947 --> 14:41.748 I WANT TO SHOOT. 14:41.748 --> 14:42.249 I 14:42.249 --> 14:43.350 REALLY DIDN'T FEEL IT 14:43.350 --> 14:43.984 , HE 14:43.984 --> 14:45.252 TIPPED IT AND I DIDN'T FEEL 14:45.252 --> 14:45.853 IT, 14:45.853 --> 14:47.754 MY CONCENTRATION 14:47.754 --> 14:48.355 WAS LOST A 14:48.355 --> 14:48.722 LITTLE. 14:48.722 --> 14:49.790 IN THE CORNER OF 14:49.790 --> 14:51.158 MY EYE I SEE 14:51.158 --> 14:52.392 HUNTER AND I FLIP IT TO 14:52.392 --> 14:53.527 HUNTER. 14:53.527 --> 14:55.395 >>ANNOUNCER: HE PASSES OUT TO 14:55.395 --> 14:55.929 HUNTER, HUNTER 14:55.929 --> 14:57.231 SHOOTS. 14:57.231 --> 14:58.165 >>I PUT UP A 14:58.165 --> 14:59.566 JUMP SHOT, IF WE 14:59.566 --> 15:00.367 DID MISS WE HAD 15:00.367 --> 15:01.768 TIME TO TIP IT 15:01.768 --> 15:03.203 IN. 15:03.203 --> 15:03.270 I 15:03.270 --> 15:04.538 THOUGHT IT WAS GOING 15:04.538 --> 15:06.139 IN. 15:06.139 --> 15:06.607 I 15:06.607 --> 15:07.741 SAW 15:07.741 --> 15:08.108 VIC 15:08.108 --> 15:09.943 POSITION HIMSELF IN 15:09.943 --> 15:10.377 FRONT 15:10.377 --> 15:11.078 AND 15:11.078 --> 15:12.546 TIPPED IT IN. 15:12.546 --> 15:13.614 PERFECT TIMING. 15:13.614 --> 15:15.148 >>ANNOUNCER: OFF THE RIM, 15:15.148 --> 15:16.250 SCORES, IT IS OVER! 15:16.250 --> 15:17.384 IT IS OVER! 15:17.384 --> 15:18.485 WE WON! 15:18.485 --> 15:19.286 WE WON! 15:19.286 --> 15:20.354 WE WON! 15:20.354 --> 15:21.622 WE WON THE 15:21.622 --> 15:22.523 BALLGAME! 15:22.523 --> 15:23.156 WE WON THE 15:23.156 --> 15:24.157 &ñ BALLGAME 15:24.157 --> 15:25.792 ! 15:25.792 --> 15:27.060 LOYOLA WON THE 15:27.060 --> 15:28.328 BALLGAME! 15:28.328 --> 15:28.862 >> 15:28.862 --> 15:29.563 RICH 15:29.563 --> 15:30.597 , WHAT GOES 15:30.597 --> 15:31.198 THROUGH 15:31.198 --> 15:32.332 YOUR MIND WHEN YOU LOOK AT 15:32.332 --> 15:34.234 THAT VIDEO? 15:34.234 --> 15:35.002 >> 15:35.002 --> 15:35.936 HE LAY SHUN. 15:35.936 --> 15:37.137 >>EVEN NOW? 15:37.137 --> 15:38.038 >>IT -- 15:38.038 --> 15:39.072 ELATION. 15:39.072 --> 15:39.506 >>EVEN NOW? 15:39.506 --> 15:40.841 >>IT WAS A WONDERFUL 15:40.841 --> 15:42.109 TIME 15:42.109 --> 15:43.443 . 15:43.443 --> 15:44.678 EVEN TODAY, 15:44.678 --> 15:45.012 EVERY 15:45.012 --> 15:45.546 YOUNG 15:45.546 --> 15:47.848 BASKETBALL PLAYER WANTS TO BE. 15:47.848 --> 15:49.082 THE IDEA OF THE FINAL 15:49.082 --> 15:50.017 FOUR, 15:50.017 --> 15:52.986 THE IDEA 15:52.986 --> 15:54.021 OF 15:54.021 --> 15:55.389 BEING 15:55.389 --> 15:55.756 INVOLVED 15:55.756 --> 15:56.723 WITH A 15:56.723 --> 15:58.091 CHAMPIONSHIP, A 15:58.091 --> 15:59.293 NATIONAL 15:59.293 --> 16:00.093 CHAMPIONSHIP 16:00.093 --> 16:01.061 , 16:01.061 --> 16:01.361 IT 16:01.361 --> 16:02.362 IS 16:02.362 --> 16:03.797 STILL EXCITING. 16:03.797 --> 16:04.698 I'M STILL ELATED 16:04.698 --> 16:05.666 WHEN I LOOK 16:05.666 --> 16:06.433 AT IT. 16:06.433 --> 16:07.634 I BREAK INTO BIG 16:07.634 --> 16:08.769 GRINS WHEN I 16:08.769 --> 16:10.337 SEE IT. 16:10.337 --> 16:11.171 AND I 16:11.171 --> 16:12.506 APPRECIATE THAT STARTING 16:12.506 --> 16:13.340 FIVE AND ALL OF THE 16:13.340 --> 16:14.308 HARD WORK 16:14.308 --> 16:15.876 THEY PUT IN FOR IT. 16:15.876 --> 16:16.677 THAT'S WHERE I AM. 16:16.677 --> 16:18.345 I STILL 16:18.345 --> 16:19.213 ENJOY THE 16:19.213 --> 16:20.547 MOMENT. 16:20.547 --> 16:21.481 >>JOHN EGAN 16:21.481 --> 16:22.416 WHAT GUESS 16:22.416 --> 16:23.550 THROUGH YOUR MIND WHEN YOU SEE 16:23.550 --> 16:24.785 THAT? 16:24.785 --> 16:25.452 -- 16:25.452 --> 16:26.753 >>I'M ALSO 16:26.753 --> 16:27.788 ELATED THAT WE 16:27.788 --> 16:28.922 WON. 16:28.922 --> 16:29.890 DURING THE PROCESS OF THE 16:29.890 --> 16:30.424 GAME, 16:30.424 --> 16:33.460 I WAS EMBARRASSED THAT 16:33.460 --> 16:34.027 -- AT 16:34.027 --> 16:35.495 OUR PERFORMANCE EARLY. 16:35.495 --> 16:36.763 I THOUGHT FOR THE REST OF 16:36.763 --> 16:37.097 MY 16:37.097 --> 16:38.398 LIFE YOU ARE GOING TO 16:38.398 --> 16:38.732 SAY YOU 16:38.732 --> 16:39.900 HAD THE BIG CHANCE 16:39.900 --> 16:40.534 AND BLOW IT 16:40.534 --> 16:41.735 AND YOU DON'T LOOK 16:41.735 --> 16:42.035 GOOD 16:42.035 --> 16:42.769 BLOWING IT. 16:42.769 --> 16:44.705 >>WERE YOU DOWN BY 15. 16:44.705 --> 16:45.138 >>DOWN BY 16:45.138 --> 16:46.139 15. 16:46.139 --> 16:48.041 THEN WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE TO 16:48.041 --> 16:48.375 WIN IT. 16:48.375 --> 16:49.276 ONE OF 16:49.276 --> 16:50.544 RELAXATION MORE THAN 16:50.544 --> 16:51.311 ANYTHING ELSE. 16:51.311 --> 16:52.513 I SAID WE WERE LUCKY 16:52.513 --> 16:52.880 TO WIN 16:52.880 --> 16:53.514 THAT GAME. 16:53.514 --> 16:54.715 >>THAT GAME, SOME 16:54.715 --> 16:55.749 PEOPLE HAVE 16:55.749 --> 16:57.050 RATED IT AS THE MOST 16:57.050 --> 16:57.618 EXCITING 16:57.618 --> 16:58.886 MOMENT IN NCAA 16:58.886 --> 16:59.520 HISTORY. 16:59.520 --> 17:01.388 THE TEAM IS GOING TO BE 17:01.388 --> 17:02.322 INDUCTED IN THE 17:02.322 --> 17:03.290 NATIONAL HALL 17:03.290 --> 17:04.825 OF FAME, HUGE DEAL. 17:04.825 --> 17:05.726 MIKE LENAHAN, WHAT 17:05.726 --> 17:07.160 ARE THE 17:07.160 --> 17:08.529 LESSONS 17:08.529 --> 17:09.530 ? 17:09.530 --> 17:10.330 >>TO ME, THE 17:10.330 --> 17:11.431 BIG LESSON 17:11.431 --> 17:12.466 IS 17:12.466 --> 17:13.333 THAT THE 17:13.333 --> 17:14.334 REASON 17:14.334 --> 17:15.068 THAT 17:15.068 --> 17:16.370 SPORTS IS 17:16.370 --> 17:16.837 SO 17:16.837 --> 17:18.038 OFTEN IN THE 17:18.038 --> 17:18.972 VANGUARD OF 17:18.972 --> 17:21.308 SOCIAL CHANGE 17:21.308 --> 17:22.075 , 17:22.075 --> 17:23.677 IS 17:23.677 --> 17:24.278 THAT IT IS 17:24.278 --> 17:25.179 HARD FOR 17:25.179 --> 17:26.280 EXAMPLE, TO 17:26.280 --> 17:27.681 BE A 17:27.681 --> 17:28.982 PREJUDICED BASKETBALL PLAYER. 17:28.982 --> 17:29.883 IF YOU ARE SERIOUS 17:29.883 --> 17:30.617 ABOUT 17:30.617 --> 17:30.918 YOUR 17:30.918 --> 17:32.719 BASKETBALL, YOU ARE LOOKING AT 17:32.719 --> 17:33.253 YOUR 17:33.253 --> 17:34.922 OPPONENT, YOU BETTER NOT 17:34.922 --> 17:36.290 BE SAYING, WAS 17:36.290 --> 17:37.191 HIS FATHER A 17:37.191 --> 17:37.858 SLAVE OR A 17:37.858 --> 17:38.825 PLANTATION OWNER? 17:38.825 --> 17:40.294 DOES HE COME FROM THE RIGHT 17:40.294 --> 17:41.528 SIDE OF THE TRACKS 17:41.528 --> 17:42.196 OR WRONG 17:42.196 --> 17:43.297 SIDE OF THE TRACKS? 17:43.297 --> 17:44.798 YOU BETTER BE SAYING WHAT CAN 17:44.798 --> 17:45.699 THIS GUY 17:45.699 --> 17:46.633 DO? 17:46.633 --> 17:48.769 HOW CAN I BEAT HIM? 17:48.769 --> 17:50.571 BECAUSE BASKETBALL PLAYERS ARE 17:50.571 --> 17:51.338 AN CUSTOMED TO DEALING WITH 17:51.338 --> 17:53.006 EACH OTHER IN TERMS LIKE THAT, 17:53.006 --> 17:53.807 I -- I 17:53.807 --> 17:55.242 THINK THEY CAN BE A 17:55.242 --> 17:56.410 LITTLE QUICKER TO DEVELOP 17:56.410 --> 17:57.344 THE 17:57.344 --> 17:59.179 EMPATHY AND UNDERSTANDING THAT 17:59.179 --> 18:00.314 COMES A LITTLE HARDER TO THE 18:00.314 --> 18:01.481 REST OF US. 18:01.481 --> 18:02.950 >>THAT'S WHERE I HAVE TO 18:02.950 --> 18:03.383 LEAVE. 18:03.383 --> 18:04.618 JOHN, RICH, MICHAEL, 18:04.618 --> 18:05.185 THANK YOU 18:05.185 --> 18:06.720 FOR BEING HERE. 18:06.720 --> 18:07.221 CONGRATULATIONS. 18:07.221 --> 18:08.388 I KNOW YOU ARE GETTING 18:08.388 --> 18:08.989 TONS OF 18:08.989 --> 18:10.257 ACCLAIM, ALL WELL 18:10.257 --> 18:11.391 DESERVED. 18:11.391 --> 18:12.860 GREAT BOOK. 18:12.860 --> 18:13.393 >>>MICHAEL 18:13.393 --> 18:14.394 LENEHAN'S BOOK 18:14.394 --> 18:15.362 IS 18:15.362 --> 18:17.331 RAMBLERS LOYOLA CHICAGO 18:17.331 --> 18:17.865 1963, 18:17.865 --> 18:21.235 THE TEAM THAT CHANGED THE 18:21.235 --> 18:21.668 COLOR OF 18:21.668 --> 18:24.171 COLLEGE BASKETBALL 18:24.171 --> 18:25.205 . 18:25.205 --> 18:26.773 YOU WILL FIND AN EXCERPT FROM 18:26.773 --> 18:28.075 THE BOOK ON OUR WEBSITE, 18:28.075 --> 18:28.642 THE 18:28.642 --> 18:29.843 FINAL MINUTE OF THE 18:29.843 --> 18:31.111 CHAMPIONSHIP GAME OUR 18:31.111 --> 18:32.145 2003 18:32.145 --> 18:33.313 DOCUMENTARY AND COMMENTS 18:33.313 --> 18:34.281 FROM 18:34.281 --> 18:38.281 JERRY HARKNESS.