1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:11,366 >> A NEW SHOWTIME DOCUMENTARY 2 00:00:07,366 --> 00:00:12,900 TAKES A CLOSE LOOK AT THE 3 00:00:08,733 --> 00:00:14,200 OCTOBER 2014 SHOOTING DEATH OF 4 00:00:11,366 --> 00:00:14,666 17-YEAR-OLD LAQUAN McDONALD BY 5 00:00:12,900 --> 00:00:17,433 FORMER CHICAGO POLICE OFFICER 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:21,066 JASON VAN DYKE. 7 00:00:14,666 --> 00:00:22,766 AND IT LOOKS AT THE POLITICAL 8 00:00:17,433 --> 00:00:27,600 FIRESTORM THAT FOLLOWED. 9 00:00:21,066 --> 00:00:30,266 >> UNTIL THE VIDEO OF THIS 10 00:00:22,766 --> 00:00:30,733 HORRIFIC SHOOTING WAS RELEASED, 11 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:32,766 THERE IS A ZERO CHANCE OF POLICE 12 00:00:30,266 --> 00:00:35,066 ACCOUNTABILITY. 13 00:00:30,733 --> 00:00:37,200 THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME IN OUR 14 00:00:32,766 --> 00:00:40,600 HISTORY THAT AN ON DUTY CHICAGO 15 00:00:35,066 --> 00:00:41,966 POLICE OFFICER HAD EVER BEEN 16 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:43,633 CHARGED WITH KILLING A BLACK 17 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:48,933 MAN, WOMAN OR CHILD. 18 00:00:41,966 --> 00:00:49,666 >> NAMED AFTER THE NUMBER OF 19 00:00:43,633 --> 00:00:51,500 BULLETS FIRED, THE "16 SHOTS" 20 00:00:48,933 --> 00:00:53,100 FEATURES INTERVIEWS AND 21 00:00:49,666 --> 00:00:55,400 ATTORNEYS FOR THE McDONALD 22 00:00:51,500 --> 00:00:56,366 FAMILY AND VAN DYKE AND INPUT 23 00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:57,100 FROM THE ACTIVISTS AND 24 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,733 JOURNALISTS WHO BROUGHT THE 25 00:00:56,366 --> 00:01:00,400 STORY TO LIGHT. 26 00:00:57,100 --> 00:01:02,233 AND JOINING US IS THE DIRECTOR 27 00:00:58,733 --> 00:01:04,666 AND WRITER OF "16 SHOTS" RICK 28 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:06,966 ROWLEY WHO DIRECTED THE FILM 29 00:01:02,233 --> 00:01:09,300 DIRTY WARS NOMINATED FOR THE 30 00:01:04,666 --> 00:01:11,066 ACADEMY AWARD FOR BEST 31 00:01:06,966 --> 00:01:11,433 DOCUMENTARY FEATURE IN 2013. 32 00:01:09,300 --> 00:01:13,200 RICK ROWLEY WELCOME TO "CHICAGO 33 00:01:11,066 --> 00:01:15,566 TONIGHT." 34 00:01:11,433 --> 00:01:17,433 HOW DID YOU BECOME INTERESTED IN 35 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:19,566 THIS SUBJECT FOR A DOCUMENTARY? 36 00:01:15,566 --> 00:01:21,300 >> I WAS IN CHICAGO FILMING ON 37 00:01:17,433 --> 00:01:23,933 ANOTHER PROJECT AND I MET JAMIE 38 00:01:19,566 --> 00:01:26,133 KALVEN AFTER THE VIDEO WAS 39 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:28,666 RELEASED AND HE WROTE THE FIRST 40 00:01:23,933 --> 00:01:30,633 ARTICLES ABOUT THIS WHEN HE 41 00:01:26,133 --> 00:01:31,166 UNSPOOLED EVERYTHING THAT WAS 42 00:01:28,666 --> 00:01:34,066 REVEALED AND IT WAS AN 43 00:01:30,633 --> 00:01:35,266 EXCEPTIONAL CASE. 44 00:01:31,166 --> 00:01:37,200 WE ARE IN A MOMENT OF NATIONAL 45 00:01:34,066 --> 00:01:38,800 RECKONING AROUND RACE AND 46 00:01:35,266 --> 00:01:41,433 INJUSTICE AND THE CASE CUTS TO 47 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:42,600 THE HEART OF THAT. 48 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,533 WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THE CASE THAN 49 00:01:41,433 --> 00:01:45,233 KNOWN ABOUT ANY OTHER POLICE 50 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,966 SHOOTING IN HISTORY. 51 00:01:43,533 --> 00:01:48,400 >> AND YOU INTERVIEW A LOT OF 52 00:01:45,233 --> 00:01:48,966 THE CENTRAL FIGURES SOME PEOPLE 53 00:01:46,966 --> 00:01:50,766 WHO HAVE BEEN LOATHE TO TALK 54 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,166 ABOUT THIS. 55 00:01:48,966 --> 00:01:55,533 WAS IT DIFFICULT TO GET THE 56 00:01:50,766 --> 00:01:57,800 INTERVIEWS? 57 00:01:51,166 --> 00:02:00,466 >> I WAS SURPRISED AT HOW OPEN 58 00:01:55,533 --> 00:02:00,766 AND WILLING PEOPLE WERE TO 59 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:02,366 ENGAGE AND I FELT INCREDIBLY 60 00:02:00,466 --> 00:02:04,300 LUCKY. 61 00:02:00,766 --> 00:02:07,200 WE TALKED TO PEOPLE ON ALL SIDES 62 00:02:02,366 --> 00:02:07,500 OF THE STORY AND PRESENTED 63 00:02:04,300 --> 00:02:09,766 HONESTLY OUR INTENTION WHICH WAS 64 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,066 NOT -- 65 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:13,766 WE DON'T WANT TO REDUCE EITHER 66 00:02:09,766 --> 00:02:14,600 SIDE WE ARE TRYING TO YOU HAD 67 00:02:11,066 --> 00:02:16,133 HOW THE INSTITUTIONS AND THE 68 00:02:13,766 --> 00:02:19,066 GROUPS FUNNION. 69 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:20,333 >> AND THE INTERVIEW THAT OPENS 70 00:02:16,133 --> 00:02:22,933 THE FILM IS THE FORMER FOP 71 00:02:19,066 --> 00:02:24,166 SPOKESPERSON PAT CAMDEN WHO ON 72 00:02:20,333 --> 00:02:25,200 THE SCENE THAT NIGHT GAVE THE 73 00:02:22,933 --> 00:02:26,066 INITIAL NARRATIVE FALSE 74 00:02:24,166 --> 00:02:28,300 NARRATIVE THAT WE LEARNED ABOUT 75 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:30,366 WHAT HAPPENED. 76 00:02:26,066 --> 00:02:32,200 TELL US ABOUT THAT INTERVIEW? 77 00:02:28,300 --> 00:02:32,600 >> IN MANY WAYS THIS STORY IS A 78 00:02:30,366 --> 00:02:34,266 STORY ABOUT A BATTLE BETWEEN 79 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,133 NARRATIVES. 80 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:37,633 FOR THE MOMENT FROM THAT LAQUAN 81 00:02:34,266 --> 00:02:40,000 McDONALD WAS SHOT TO THE 82 00:02:36,133 --> 00:02:42,366 VERDICT ITSELF, THERE IS A SET 83 00:02:37,633 --> 00:02:44,100 OF FACTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE AND A 84 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:45,233 DEBATE OVER THE STORIES. 85 00:02:42,366 --> 00:02:46,800 AND IT'S THE JOB TO FRAME THE 86 00:02:44,100 --> 00:02:48,133 NARRATIVE FROM THE BEGINNING AND 87 00:02:45,233 --> 00:02:50,333 HE IS UP FRONT ABOUT THAT. 88 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,733 HE SAYS THE POLICE HAVE TO BE 89 00:02:48,133 --> 00:02:53,200 THE FIRST TO COME OUT WITH A 90 00:02:50,333 --> 00:02:54,966 STORY BEFORE ANYONE ELSE HAS A 91 00:02:51,733 --> 00:02:57,766 CHANCE TO SO THEY CAN CONTROL 92 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:59,566 THE NARRATIVE. 93 00:02:54,966 --> 00:03:01,700 AND HE HAS BEEN THE SPOKESMAN 94 00:02:57,766 --> 00:03:03,400 FOR 500 POLICE INVOLVED 95 00:02:59,566 --> 00:03:05,433 SHOOTINGS IN HIS CAREER AND YOU 96 00:03:01,700 --> 00:03:06,500 SEE CLIPS IN THE SECTION WHERE 97 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,733 HE TELLS THE SAME STORY OVER AND 98 00:03:05,433 --> 00:03:10,433 OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 99 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:13,433 >> AND HE GETS ANNOYED WITH THE 100 00:03:08,733 --> 00:03:14,266 INTERVIEWER WHEN THEY BRING THAT 101 00:03:10,433 --> 00:03:16,566 UP TO HIM. 102 00:03:13,433 --> 00:03:17,366 >> EXACTLY. 103 00:03:14,266 --> 00:03:19,000 IT'S ALMOST SEEMS LOOK A SCRIPT 104 00:03:16,566 --> 00:03:21,733 UP FOLDS. 105 00:03:17,366 --> 00:03:23,366 BUT NOT JUST WITH HIM IT IS A 106 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:25,200 SCRIPT THAT IS PICKS UP AND 107 00:03:21,733 --> 00:03:26,366 REPLICATED IN THE MEDIA AND IT 108 00:03:23,366 --> 00:03:30,166 BECOMES A PART OF THE DISCOURSE. 109 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:31,266 >> LET'S LOOK AT ANOTHER CLIP 110 00:03:26,366 --> 00:03:32,366 HERE IS ONE FEATURING FORMER 111 00:03:30,166 --> 00:03:34,200 CHICAGO POLICE SUPERINTENDENT 112 00:03:31,266 --> 00:03:36,133 GARRY McCARTHY AND LAQUAN 113 00:03:32,366 --> 00:03:37,533 McDONALD'S GREAT UNCLE 114 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,866 REVEREND MARVIN HUNTER. 115 00:03:36,133 --> 00:03:39,766 >> I'M SORRY BUT THAT IS A 116 00:03:37,533 --> 00:03:42,600 THREAT. 117 00:03:37,866 --> 00:03:44,800 IF SOMEBODY GETS NEAR YOU WITHIN 118 00:03:39,766 --> 00:03:48,266 21 FEET OF YOU WITH AN OPEN 119 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:51,233 KNIFE, YOU CAN DIE. 120 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:52,766 >> AS YOU SAW AND I'VE SEEN, 121 00:03:48,266 --> 00:03:55,333 LAQUAN McDONALD WAS MURDERED. 122 00:03:51,233 --> 00:03:56,933 HIS FAMILY WANTS JUSTICE TO BE 123 00:03:52,766 --> 00:04:00,766 SERVED AND JUSTICE FOR US IS 124 00:03:55,333 --> 00:04:01,133 JASON VAN DYKE BEING CONVICTED 125 00:03:56,933 --> 00:04:01,933 OF THE MURDER OF LAQUAN 126 00:04:00,766 --> 00:04:04,633 McDONALD. 127 00:04:01,133 --> 00:04:06,200 >> JAMIE KALVEN YOU MENTIONED 128 00:04:01,933 --> 00:04:08,133 WAS THE JOURNALIST THAT GOT THIS 129 00:04:04,633 --> 00:04:09,933 GOING AND HE SAID IN THE 130 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,666 BEGINNING HE READY WITH THE -- 131 00:04:08,133 --> 00:04:12,666 READ ABOUT THE INCIDENT AND 132 00:04:09,933 --> 00:04:15,000 FLIPPED THE PAGE. 133 00:04:10,666 --> 00:04:17,400 WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS THAT 134 00:04:12,666 --> 00:04:18,633 SPARKED THE LOOK INTO THIS? 135 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:20,833 >> IT IS ONE OF THE ENDURING 136 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:22,733 MYSTERIES OF THIS CASE. 137 00:04:18,633 --> 00:04:27,933 THERE ARE 30-60 POLICE SHOOTING 138 00:04:20,833 --> 00:04:29,600 A YEAR IN CHICAGO. 139 00:04:22,733 --> 00:04:30,933 A SHOOTING EVERY WEEK OR EVERY 140 00:04:27,933 --> 00:04:32,466 OTHER WEEK AND HOW MANY OF THOSE 141 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:34,600 NAMES DO WE KNOW? 142 00:04:30,933 --> 00:04:36,033 AND IT WAS A WHOLE HOST OF 143 00:04:32,466 --> 00:04:38,266 PEOPLE STEPPING FORWARD AND 144 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,900 BREAKING THROUGH THIS WALL OF 145 00:04:36,033 --> 00:04:42,266 SILENCE THAT IS BUILT AROUND THE 146 00:04:38,266 --> 00:04:44,400 CASE. 147 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:45,333 WHISTLE BLOWERS AND CIVILIAN 148 00:04:42,266 --> 00:04:47,733 WITNESSES DESCRIBING BEING 149 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:50,300 THREATENED BY POLICE OFFICERS 150 00:04:45,333 --> 00:04:52,066 AND WHO SPOKE TO US ON CAMERA. 151 00:04:47,733 --> 00:04:54,033 THERE IS THE ACTIVIST WHO SUED 152 00:04:50,300 --> 00:04:55,600 TO FORCE THE VIDEO TO BE 153 00:04:52,066 --> 00:04:57,200 RELEASED WHEN EVERYONE ELSE HAD 154 00:04:54,033 --> 00:04:57,533 GIVEN UP A SUSTAINED PRESSURE 155 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,800 AND ATTENTION THAT LASTED FOUR 156 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,766 YEARS. 157 00:04:57,533 --> 00:05:03,000 >> AND THE CIVILIAN WITNESSES 158 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:05,000 AND THEY TALK ABOUT BEING 159 00:05:01,766 --> 00:05:05,966 INTERVIEWED BY DETECTIVES THEY 160 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:08,700 SAY THE DETECTIVES URGED THEM TO 161 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:10,300 LIE ABOUT THE CASE. 162 00:05:05,966 --> 00:05:11,900 TELL US ABOUT THAT? 163 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:13,300 >> ALMA IN PARTICULAR SHE WAS ON 164 00:05:10,300 --> 00:05:15,366 THE SCENE IN FRONT OF THE BURGER 165 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:17,533 KING WHERE THE SHOOTING HAPPENED 166 00:05:13,300 --> 00:05:19,433 AND SAW THE WHOLE THING. 167 00:05:15,366 --> 00:05:20,533 AND SHE SAID DESCRIBES IN DETAIL 168 00:05:17,533 --> 00:05:23,266 SHE WAS BROUGHT BACK TO POLICE 169 00:05:19,433 --> 00:05:23,633 HEADQUARTERS QUESTIONED FOR 170 00:05:20,533 --> 00:05:26,066 HOURS ALL NIGHT LONG UNTIL 3:00 171 00:05:23,266 --> 00:05:28,133 A.M. 172 00:05:23,633 --> 00:05:29,433 THEY KEPT BADGERING HER TELLING 173 00:05:26,066 --> 00:05:30,766 HER SHE DID NOT HEAR HOW MANY 174 00:05:28,133 --> 00:05:32,500 SHOTS SHE HEARD AND BROUGHT UP 175 00:05:29,433 --> 00:05:34,366 THE VIDEO AND SAYING WE HAVE 176 00:05:30,766 --> 00:05:35,466 VIDEO AND THE VIDEO CONTRADICTS 177 00:05:32,500 --> 00:05:37,700 YOUR STATEMENT. 178 00:05:34,366 --> 00:05:38,966 >> LYING ABOUT IT? 179 00:05:35,466 --> 00:05:41,166 >> LYING ABOUT IT, AND THE VIDEO 180 00:05:37,700 --> 00:05:43,033 CORROBORATED HER STATEMENT. 181 00:05:38,966 --> 00:05:44,700 AND THEN TOLD HER IT'S NOT GOOD 182 00:05:41,166 --> 00:05:47,700 TO LIE AND SHE WAS BEING 183 00:05:43,033 --> 00:05:49,033 QUESTIONED BECAUSE SHE MIGHT END 184 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:50,300 UP GOING TO JAIL FOR PERJURY. 185 00:05:47,700 --> 00:05:52,366 >> AND YOU INTERVIEWED CAROL 186 00:05:49,033 --> 00:05:54,933 MARIN IN THE STORY. 187 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:58,333 ESPECIALLY HER STORY HOW POLICE 188 00:05:52,366 --> 00:05:58,633 WENT INTO THE BURGER KING AND 189 00:05:54,933 --> 00:05:59,966 SCRUBBED ABOUT TWO HOURS PLUS OF 190 00:05:58,333 --> 00:06:01,566 VIDEO. 191 00:05:58,633 --> 00:06:03,466 DID THAT GET RESOLVED WHAT 192 00:05:59,966 --> 00:06:04,533 HAPPENED THERE? 193 00:06:01,566 --> 00:06:06,900 >> THERE WERE A LOT OF AMAZING 194 00:06:03,466 --> 00:06:08,200 JOURNALISTS IN CHICAGO WHO 195 00:06:04,533 --> 00:06:09,633 BLAZED THE TRAIL WHICH IS WHY WE 196 00:06:06,900 --> 00:06:10,866 KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SHOOTING 197 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:14,366 THAN WE KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER 198 00:06:09,633 --> 00:06:16,500 SHOOTINGS IN HISTORY. 199 00:06:10,866 --> 00:06:20,866 CAROL MARIN ONE OF HER BIG 200 00:06:14,366 --> 00:06:22,466 REVELATIONS WAS THAT 87 MINUTES 201 00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:23,333 WERE ERASED FROM THE 202 00:06:20,866 --> 00:06:24,600 SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS IN THE 203 00:06:22,466 --> 00:06:25,666 BURGER KING. 204 00:06:23,333 --> 00:06:27,100 >> AN HOUR-AND-A-HALF. 205 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,066 >> COVERED THE TIME THAT THE 206 00:06:25,666 --> 00:06:30,633 SHOOTING HAPPENED AND WE CALLED 207 00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:32,200 THE ENGINEERS WHO INSTALL THE 208 00:06:29,066 --> 00:06:34,066 SYSTEMS AND THAT IS NOT A THING 209 00:06:30,633 --> 00:06:36,733 THAT CAN HAPPEN. 210 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:37,933 NOT ONLY WERE THE ORIGINAL 211 00:06:34,066 --> 00:06:39,933 COPIES ERASED BUT THERE ARE 212 00:06:36,733 --> 00:06:42,866 BACKUPS THAT ARE THERE. 213 00:06:37,933 --> 00:06:44,466 AND SOMEONE TOOK THEM OUT. 214 00:06:39,933 --> 00:06:46,400 >> TO A T ALL IN THE CASE 215 00:06:42,866 --> 00:06:47,733 BELIEVE THAT MAYOR RAHM EMANUEL 216 00:06:44,466 --> 00:06:49,866 COVERED THE VIDEO OR HID THE 217 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:51,466 VIDEO OF THE SHOOTING UNTIL 218 00:06:47,733 --> 00:06:52,333 AFTER HE WAS REELECTED. 219 00:06:49,866 --> 00:06:53,800 DO YOU BELIEVE IT WAS A COVER UP 220 00:06:51,466 --> 00:06:54,900 ON HIS PART? 221 00:06:52,333 --> 00:06:56,333 >> THERE IS NO QUESTION IT WAS A 222 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,100 COVER UP. 223 00:06:54,900 --> 00:06:58,500 THERE ARE STILL QUESTIONS THAT 224 00:06:56,333 --> 00:07:00,866 REMAIN. 225 00:06:57,100 --> 00:07:03,300 THE MAYOR NOW SAYS THAT HE DID 226 00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:05,066 NOT SEE THE VIDEO UNTIL AFTER IT 227 00:07:00,866 --> 00:07:07,866 WAS RELEASED PUBLICLY. 228 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:09,500 WHETHER HE IS LYING ABOUT WHEN 229 00:07:05,066 --> 00:07:11,133 HE SAW IT OR BEING DEEPLY 230 00:07:07,866 --> 00:07:12,200 DISHONEST BY PRETENDING HE DID 231 00:07:09,500 --> 00:07:13,766 NOT KNOW HOW SEVERE THE CASE IS 232 00:07:11,133 --> 00:07:16,066 THAT IS THE ONLY QUESTION. 233 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:17,633 WE KNOW HIS TEAM HAD THE VIDEO 234 00:07:13,766 --> 00:07:18,866 HE HAD THE VIDEO HIS TEAM HAD 235 00:07:16,066 --> 00:07:19,966 SEEN IT. 236 00:07:17,633 --> 00:07:22,966 THEY WERE WORRIED AND CONCERNED 237 00:07:18,866 --> 00:07:25,900 ABOUT IT. 238 00:07:19,966 --> 00:07:27,333 AND THE CORPORATION COUNSEL WAS 239 00:07:22,966 --> 00:07:29,633 SENT OUT TO PAY A $5 MILLION 240 00:07:25,900 --> 00:07:32,166 SETTLEMENT BEFORE THERE WAS A 241 00:07:27,333 --> 00:07:33,566 LAWSUIT TO DELAY THE VIDEO 242 00:07:29,633 --> 00:07:36,566 RELEASE UNTIL AFTER HE WON 243 00:07:32,166 --> 00:07:38,633 REELECTION. 244 00:07:33,566 --> 00:07:40,166 >> AND THE INTERVIEW WITH ANITA 245 00:07:36,566 --> 00:07:41,600 ALVAREZ SHE CALLED YOU UP AND 246 00:07:38,633 --> 00:07:43,133 WANTED ANOTHER INTERVIEW AFTER 247 00:07:40,166 --> 00:07:43,600 SHE LEFT OFFICE. 248 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,933 WHAT DID SHE SAY ABOUT RAHM 249 00:07:43,133 --> 00:07:46,400 EMANUEL? 250 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,700 >> ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT 251 00:07:44,933 --> 00:07:50,033 FOLLOWING THE STORY FOR THREE 252 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,133 YEARS. 253 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:52,966 WE GOT TO INTERVIEW PEOPLE AT 254 00:07:50,033 --> 00:07:56,066 MULTIPLE POINTS. 255 00:07:51,133 --> 00:07:57,566 ALVAREZ WAS THE STATE'S ATTORNEY 256 00:07:52,966 --> 00:07:59,200 AND AFTER SHE IS OUSTED FROM 257 00:07:56,066 --> 00:08:01,233 POWER SHE MIGHT BE WILLING TO 258 00:07:57,566 --> 00:08:02,233 SPEAK MORE OPENLY. 259 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:04,833 SHE IS CERTAIN THE MAYOR SAW THE 260 00:08:01,233 --> 00:08:07,300 VIDEO BEFOREHAND. 261 00:08:02,233 --> 00:08:08,933 I DON'T WANT TO PRETEPID LIKE 262 00:08:04,833 --> 00:08:09,233 RAHM EMANUEL IS A BAD GUY IS THE 263 00:08:07,300 --> 00:08:11,566 EVIL PERSON AT THE CENTER OF 264 00:08:08,933 --> 00:08:13,333 THIS. 265 00:08:09,233 --> 00:08:15,433 >> SHE ALSO BELIEVES THAT 266 00:08:11,566 --> 00:08:16,033 EMANUEL POLITICALLY WAS GOING TO 267 00:08:13,333 --> 00:08:16,466 TRY AND BLAME HER FOR THE WHOLE 268 00:08:15,433 --> 00:08:18,700 THING? 269 00:08:16,033 --> 00:08:20,300 >> YEAH. 270 00:08:16,466 --> 00:08:21,800 I MEAN, EVERYONE SEES THEMSELVES 271 00:08:18,700 --> 00:08:23,100 AS A FALL GUY IN THIS. 272 00:08:20,300 --> 00:08:25,233 LIKE GARRY McCARTHY WAS FIRED 273 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:27,400 IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS AND HE 274 00:08:23,100 --> 00:08:29,466 CLAIMS HE WAS A FALL GUY TAKING 275 00:08:25,233 --> 00:08:31,066 FALL FOR THIS. 276 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:33,100 AND ALVAREZ, THE POLITICAL 277 00:08:29,466 --> 00:08:35,633 ESTABLISHMENT DID NOT BACK HER 278 00:08:31,066 --> 00:08:36,933 UP AND SHE LOST HER REELECTION 279 00:08:33,100 --> 00:08:38,800 BID AND SEES HERSELF BEING 280 00:08:35,633 --> 00:08:39,666 THROWN UNDER THE BUS. 281 00:08:36,933 --> 00:08:41,433 >> DID YOU TRY TO INTERVIEW RAHM 282 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:44,066 EMANUEL? 283 00:08:39,666 --> 00:08:45,066 >> TRIED CONSTANTLY WE SPENT A 284 00:08:41,433 --> 00:08:46,566 YEAR SITTING IN HIS PRESS 285 00:08:44,066 --> 00:08:48,266 PERSON'S OFFICE TRYING TO 286 00:08:45,066 --> 00:08:49,133 CONVINCE HIM THAT IT WAS GOOD TO 287 00:08:46,566 --> 00:08:50,833 GO ON CAMERA. 288 00:08:48,266 --> 00:08:52,633 THAT IS -- 289 00:08:49,133 --> 00:08:54,700 THAT KIND OF LACK OF 290 00:08:50,833 --> 00:08:56,666 TRANSPARENCY TO REFUSE TO 291 00:08:52,633 --> 00:08:58,733 ADDRESS AT ALL THE MOST PRESSING 292 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:59,166 STORY IN YOUR CITY AT THE TIME? 293 00:08:56,666 --> 00:09:00,533 IT WAS REALLY SHOCKING TO US 294 00:08:58,733 --> 00:09:01,000 ACTUALLY. 295 00:08:59,166 --> 00:09:03,600 >> WHAT IS THE TAKEAWAY FOR THE 296 00:09:00,533 --> 00:09:05,500 NATION? 297 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:08,333 >> I MEAN, THESE ISSUES AROUND 298 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:09,800 RACE AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE ARE 299 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:12,033 NOT JUST UNFOLDING IN CHICAGO. 300 00:09:08,333 --> 00:09:13,900 EVERY MAJOR CITY IN AMERICA IS 301 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:15,566 IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS RECKONING. 302 00:09:12,033 --> 00:09:17,700 BECAUSE OF THE WORK OF CHICAGO 303 00:09:13,900 --> 00:09:19,633 JOURNALISTS AND THE SUSTAINED 304 00:09:15,566 --> 00:09:22,566 COMMUNITY ATTENTION THAT HAS 305 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:24,433 BROUGHT TRANSPARENCY IT ALLOWS 306 00:09:19,633 --> 00:09:25,066 US TO SEE STEP-BY-STEP HOW THIS 307 00:09:22,566 --> 00:09:26,933 SYSTEM WORKS THAT THE MAKES THE 308 00:09:24,433 --> 00:09:30,533 CASES DISAPPEAR. 309 00:09:25,066 --> 00:09:32,200 IT DOESN'T WORK EVERYWHERE. 310 00:09:26,933 --> 00:09:32,533 AND ALSO, THIS IS AN 311 00:09:30,533 --> 00:09:34,833 UNPRECEDENTED MOMENT ON SO MANY 312 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,833 LEVELS. 313 00:09:32,533 --> 00:09:38,200 THE FIRST TIME IN THE 180-YEAR 314 00:09:34,833 --> 00:09:39,700 HISTORY OF THE CHICAGO POLICE 315 00:09:36,833 --> 00:09:42,366 DEPARTMENT THAT AN OFFICER HAS 316 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:43,133 BEEN CHARGED WITH MURDERING A 317 00:09:39,700 --> 00:09:46,000 BLACK CITIZEN AND THEY WERE 318 00:09:42,366 --> 00:09:47,933 CONVICTED. 319 00:09:43,133 --> 00:09:49,500 AS WILL CALLAWAY SAYS THEY WERE 320 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:51,933 CONVICTED BY A MOSTLY WHITE JURY 321 00:09:47,933 --> 00:09:54,700 IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE NATION. 322 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:56,400 IT IS AN UNPRECEDENTED MOMENT. 323 00:09:51,933 --> 00:09:58,533 AND A MOMENT THAT IN APROCESS 324 00:09:54,700 --> 00:09:59,333 THAT EVERYONE SHOULD LEARN FROM.