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>> A NEW SHOWTIME DOCUMENTARY

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TAKES A CLOSE LOOK AT THE

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OCTOBER 2014 SHOOTING DEATH OF

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17-YEAR-OLD LAQUAN McDONALD BY

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FORMER CHICAGO POLICE OFFICER

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JASON VAN DYKE.

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AND IT LOOKS AT THE POLITICAL

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FIRESTORM THAT FOLLOWED.

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>> UNTIL THE VIDEO OF THIS

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HORRIFIC SHOOTING WAS RELEASED,

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THERE IS A ZERO CHANCE OF POLICE

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ACCOUNTABILITY.

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THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME IN OUR

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HISTORY THAT AN ON DUTY CHICAGO

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POLICE OFFICER HAD EVER BEEN

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CHARGED WITH KILLING A BLACK

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MAN, WOMAN OR CHILD.

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>> NAMED AFTER THE NUMBER OF

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BULLETS FIRED, THE "16 SHOTS"

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FEATURES INTERVIEWS AND

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ATTORNEYS FOR THE McDONALD

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FAMILY AND VAN DYKE AND INPUT

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FROM THE ACTIVISTS AND

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JOURNALISTS WHO BROUGHT THE

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STORY TO LIGHT.

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AND JOINING US IS THE DIRECTOR

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AND WRITER OF "16 SHOTS" RICK

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ROWLEY WHO DIRECTED THE FILM

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DIRTY WARS NOMINATED FOR THE

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ACADEMY AWARD FOR BEST

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DOCUMENTARY FEATURE IN 2013.

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RICK ROWLEY WELCOME TO "CHICAGO

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TONIGHT."

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HOW DID YOU BECOME INTERESTED IN

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THIS SUBJECT FOR A DOCUMENTARY?

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>> I WAS IN CHICAGO FILMING ON

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ANOTHER PROJECT AND I MET JAMIE

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KALVEN AFTER THE VIDEO WAS

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RELEASED AND HE WROTE THE FIRST

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ARTICLES ABOUT THIS WHEN HE

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UNSPOOLED EVERYTHING THAT WAS

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REVEALED AND IT WAS AN

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EXCEPTIONAL CASE.

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WE ARE IN A MOMENT OF NATIONAL

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RECKONING AROUND RACE AND

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INJUSTICE AND THE CASE CUTS TO

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THE HEART OF THAT.

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WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THE CASE THAN

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KNOWN ABOUT ANY OTHER POLICE

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SHOOTING IN HISTORY.

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>> AND YOU INTERVIEW A LOT OF

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THE CENTRAL FIGURES SOME PEOPLE

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WHO HAVE BEEN LOATHE TO TALK

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ABOUT THIS.

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WAS IT DIFFICULT TO GET THE

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INTERVIEWS?

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>> I WAS SURPRISED AT HOW OPEN

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AND WILLING PEOPLE WERE TO

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ENGAGE AND I FELT INCREDIBLY

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LUCKY.

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WE TALKED TO PEOPLE ON ALL SIDES

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OF THE STORY AND PRESENTED

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HONESTLY OUR INTENTION WHICH WAS

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NOT --

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WE DON'T WANT TO REDUCE EITHER

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SIDE WE ARE TRYING TO YOU HAD

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HOW THE INSTITUTIONS AND THE

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GROUPS FUNNION.

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>> AND THE INTERVIEW THAT OPENS

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THE FILM IS THE FORMER FOP

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SPOKESPERSON PAT CAMDEN WHO ON

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THE SCENE THAT NIGHT GAVE THE

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INITIAL NARRATIVE FALSE

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NARRATIVE THAT WE LEARNED ABOUT

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WHAT HAPPENED.

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TELL US ABOUT THAT INTERVIEW?

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>> IN MANY WAYS THIS STORY IS A

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STORY ABOUT A BATTLE BETWEEN

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NARRATIVES.

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FOR THE MOMENT FROM THAT LAQUAN

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McDONALD WAS SHOT TO THE

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VERDICT ITSELF, THERE IS A SET

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OF FACTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE AND A

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DEBATE OVER THE STORIES.

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AND IT'S THE JOB TO FRAME THE

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NARRATIVE FROM THE BEGINNING AND

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HE IS UP FRONT ABOUT THAT.

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HE SAYS THE POLICE HAVE TO BE

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THE FIRST TO COME OUT WITH A

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STORY BEFORE ANYONE ELSE HAS A

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CHANCE TO SO THEY CAN CONTROL

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THE NARRATIVE.

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AND HE HAS BEEN THE SPOKESMAN

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FOR 500 POLICE INVOLVED

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SHOOTINGS IN HIS CAREER AND YOU

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SEE CLIPS IN THE SECTION WHERE

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HE TELLS THE SAME STORY OVER AND

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OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

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>> AND HE GETS ANNOYED WITH THE

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INTERVIEWER WHEN THEY BRING THAT

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UP TO HIM.

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>> EXACTLY.

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IT'S ALMOST SEEMS LOOK A SCRIPT

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UP FOLDS.

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BUT NOT JUST WITH HIM IT IS A

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SCRIPT THAT IS PICKS UP AND

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REPLICATED IN THE MEDIA AND IT

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BECOMES A PART OF THE DISCOURSE.

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>> LET'S LOOK AT ANOTHER CLIP

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HERE IS ONE FEATURING FORMER

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CHICAGO POLICE SUPERINTENDENT

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GARRY McCARTHY AND LAQUAN

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McDONALD'S GREAT UNCLE

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REVEREND MARVIN HUNTER.

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>> I'M SORRY BUT THAT IS A

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THREAT.

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IF SOMEBODY GETS NEAR YOU WITHIN

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21 FEET OF YOU WITH AN OPEN

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KNIFE, YOU CAN DIE.

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>> AS YOU SAW AND I'VE SEEN,

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LAQUAN McDONALD WAS MURDERED.

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HIS FAMILY WANTS JUSTICE TO BE

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SERVED AND JUSTICE FOR US IS

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JASON VAN DYKE BEING CONVICTED

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OF THE MURDER OF LAQUAN

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McDONALD.

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>> JAMIE KALVEN YOU MENTIONED

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WAS THE JOURNALIST THAT GOT THIS

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GOING AND HE SAID IN THE

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BEGINNING HE READY WITH THE --

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READ ABOUT THE INCIDENT AND

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FLIPPED THE PAGE.

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WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS THAT

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SPARKED THE LOOK INTO THIS?

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>> IT IS ONE OF THE ENDURING

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MYSTERIES OF THIS CASE.

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THERE ARE 30-60 POLICE SHOOTING

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A YEAR IN CHICAGO.

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A SHOOTING EVERY WEEK OR EVERY

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OTHER WEEK AND HOW MANY OF THOSE

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NAMES DO WE KNOW?

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AND IT WAS A WHOLE HOST OF

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PEOPLE STEPPING FORWARD AND

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BREAKING THROUGH THIS WALL OF

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SILENCE THAT IS BUILT AROUND THE

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CASE.

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WHISTLE BLOWERS AND CIVILIAN

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WITNESSES DESCRIBING BEING

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THREATENED BY POLICE OFFICERS

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AND WHO SPOKE TO US ON CAMERA.

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THERE IS THE ACTIVIST WHO SUED

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TO FORCE THE VIDEO TO BE

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RELEASED WHEN EVERYONE ELSE HAD

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GIVEN UP A SUSTAINED PRESSURE

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AND ATTENTION THAT LASTED FOUR

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YEARS.

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>> AND THE CIVILIAN WITNESSES

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AND THEY TALK ABOUT BEING

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INTERVIEWED BY DETECTIVES THEY

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SAY THE DETECTIVES URGED THEM TO

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LIE ABOUT THE CASE.

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TELL US ABOUT THAT?

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>> ALMA IN PARTICULAR SHE WAS ON

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THE SCENE IN FRONT OF THE BURGER

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KING WHERE THE SHOOTING HAPPENED

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AND SAW THE WHOLE THING.

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AND SHE SAID DESCRIBES IN DETAIL

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SHE WAS BROUGHT BACK TO POLICE

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HEADQUARTERS QUESTIONED FOR

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HOURS ALL NIGHT LONG UNTIL 3:00

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A.M.

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THEY KEPT BADGERING HER TELLING

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HER SHE DID NOT HEAR HOW MANY

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SHOTS SHE HEARD AND BROUGHT UP

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THE VIDEO AND SAYING WE HAVE

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VIDEO AND THE VIDEO CONTRADICTS

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YOUR STATEMENT.

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>> LYING ABOUT IT?

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>> LYING ABOUT IT, AND THE VIDEO

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CORROBORATED HER STATEMENT.

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AND THEN TOLD HER IT'S NOT GOOD

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TO LIE AND SHE WAS BEING

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QUESTIONED BECAUSE SHE MIGHT END

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UP GOING TO JAIL FOR PERJURY.

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>> AND YOU INTERVIEWED CAROL

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MARIN IN THE STORY.

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ESPECIALLY HER STORY HOW POLICE

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WENT INTO THE BURGER KING AND

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SCRUBBED ABOUT TWO HOURS PLUS OF

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VIDEO.

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DID THAT GET RESOLVED WHAT

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HAPPENED THERE?

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>> THERE WERE A LOT OF AMAZING

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JOURNALISTS IN CHICAGO WHO

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BLAZED THE TRAIL WHICH IS WHY WE

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KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SHOOTING

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THAN WE KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER

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SHOOTINGS IN HISTORY.

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CAROL MARIN ONE OF HER BIG

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REVELATIONS WAS THAT 87 MINUTES

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WERE ERASED FROM THE

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SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS IN THE

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BURGER KING.

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>> AN HOUR-AND-A-HALF.

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>> COVERED THE TIME THAT THE

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SHOOTING HAPPENED AND WE CALLED

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THE ENGINEERS WHO INSTALL THE

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SYSTEMS AND THAT IS NOT A THING

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THAT CAN HAPPEN.

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NOT ONLY WERE THE ORIGINAL

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COPIES ERASED BUT THERE ARE

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BACKUPS THAT ARE THERE.

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AND SOMEONE TOOK THEM OUT.

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>> TO A T ALL IN THE CASE

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BELIEVE THAT MAYOR RAHM EMANUEL

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COVERED THE VIDEO OR HID THE

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VIDEO OF THE SHOOTING UNTIL

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AFTER HE WAS REELECTED.

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DO YOU BELIEVE IT WAS A COVER UP

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ON HIS PART?

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>> THERE IS NO QUESTION IT WAS A

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COVER UP.

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THERE ARE STILL QUESTIONS THAT

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REMAIN.

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THE MAYOR NOW SAYS THAT HE DID

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NOT SEE THE VIDEO UNTIL AFTER IT

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WAS RELEASED PUBLICLY.

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WHETHER HE IS LYING ABOUT WHEN

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HE SAW IT OR BEING DEEPLY

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DISHONEST BY PRETENDING HE DID

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NOT KNOW HOW SEVERE THE CASE IS

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THAT IS THE ONLY QUESTION.

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WE KNOW HIS TEAM HAD THE VIDEO

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HE HAD THE VIDEO HIS TEAM HAD

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SEEN IT.

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THEY WERE WORRIED AND CONCERNED

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ABOUT IT.

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AND THE CORPORATION COUNSEL WAS

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SENT OUT TO PAY A $5 MILLION

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SETTLEMENT BEFORE THERE WAS A

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LAWSUIT TO DELAY THE VIDEO

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RELEASE UNTIL AFTER HE WON

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REELECTION.

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>> AND THE INTERVIEW WITH ANITA

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ALVAREZ SHE CALLED YOU UP AND

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WANTED ANOTHER INTERVIEW AFTER

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SHE LEFT OFFICE.

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WHAT DID SHE SAY ABOUT RAHM

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EMANUEL?

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>> ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT

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FOLLOWING THE STORY FOR THREE

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YEARS.

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WE GOT TO INTERVIEW PEOPLE AT

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MULTIPLE POINTS.

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ALVAREZ WAS THE STATE'S ATTORNEY

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AND AFTER SHE IS OUSTED FROM

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POWER SHE MIGHT BE WILLING TO

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SPEAK MORE OPENLY.

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SHE IS CERTAIN THE MAYOR SAW THE

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VIDEO BEFOREHAND.

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I DON'T WANT TO PRETEPID LIKE

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RAHM EMANUEL IS A BAD GUY IS THE

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EVIL PERSON AT THE CENTER OF

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THIS.

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>> SHE ALSO BELIEVES THAT

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EMANUEL POLITICALLY WAS GOING TO

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TRY AND BLAME HER FOR THE WHOLE

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THING?

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>> YEAH.

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I MEAN, EVERYONE SEES THEMSELVES

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AS A FALL GUY IN THIS.

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LIKE GARRY McCARTHY WAS FIRED

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IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS AND HE

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CLAIMS HE WAS A FALL GUY TAKING

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FALL FOR THIS.

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AND ALVAREZ, THE POLITICAL

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ESTABLISHMENT DID NOT BACK HER

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UP AND SHE LOST HER REELECTION

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BID AND SEES HERSELF BEING

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THROWN UNDER THE BUS.

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>> DID YOU TRY TO INTERVIEW RAHM

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EMANUEL?

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>> TRIED CONSTANTLY WE SPENT A

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YEAR SITTING IN HIS PRESS

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PERSON'S OFFICE TRYING TO

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CONVINCE HIM THAT IT WAS GOOD TO

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GO ON CAMERA.

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THAT IS --

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THAT KIND OF LACK OF

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TRANSPARENCY TO REFUSE TO

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ADDRESS AT ALL THE MOST PRESSING

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STORY IN YOUR CITY AT THE TIME?

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IT WAS REALLY SHOCKING TO US

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ACTUALLY.

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>> WHAT IS THE TAKEAWAY FOR THE

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NATION?

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>> I MEAN, THESE ISSUES AROUND

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RACE AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE ARE

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NOT JUST UNFOLDING IN CHICAGO.

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EVERY MAJOR CITY IN AMERICA IS

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IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS RECKONING.

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BECAUSE OF THE WORK OF CHICAGO

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JOURNALISTS AND THE SUSTAINED

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COMMUNITY ATTENTION THAT HAS

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BROUGHT TRANSPARENCY IT ALLOWS

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US TO SEE STEP-BY-STEP HOW THIS

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SYSTEM WORKS THAT THE MAKES THE

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CASES DISAPPEAR.

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IT DOESN'T WORK EVERYWHERE.

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AND ALSO, THIS IS AN

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UNPRECEDENTED MOMENT ON SO MANY

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LEVELS.

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THE FIRST TIME IN THE 180-YEAR

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HISTORY OF THE CHICAGO POLICE

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DEPARTMENT THAT AN OFFICER HAS

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BEEN CHARGED WITH MURDERING A

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BLACK CITIZEN AND THEY WERE

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CONVICTED.

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AS WILL CALLAWAY SAYS THEY WERE

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CONVICTED BY A MOSTLY WHITE JURY

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IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE NATION.

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IT IS AN UNPRECEDENTED MOMENT.

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AND A MOMENT THAT IN APROCESS

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THAT EVERYONE SHOULD LEARN FROM.