>> TEMPLE GRANDIN IS KNOWN AS

THE ARCHITECT OF

THE MODERN

SLAUGHTER HOUSE IN NORTH AMERICA

NOW USE HER

INNOVATIVE DESIGNS

IN TREATING

LIVE STOCK MORE

HUMANLY.

SHE'S A PROFESSOR OF ANIMAL

SCIENCE AT COLORADO STATE

UNIVERSITY AND SUBJECT OF

2010HBO

FILM.

SHE NOW

SERVES

AS AN ACTIVIST

FOR OTHERS

AND SHE NOW

JOINS US

TO TALK ABOUT HER

LATES

T BOOK,

THINKING ACROSS THE

SPECTRUM.

>> IT'S GREAT TO BE

HERE.

>> YOU HAVE LENT YOUR SUPPORT TO

A GROWING CAMPAIGN FOR MORE

RESEARCH INTO THE WAY

AUTISM

AFFECTS THE

SENSES, THE SEE

THINGS MY WAY CAMPAIGN.

WHY DO YOU THINK THERE

HASN'T

BEEN MORE RESEARCH?

>> PEOPLE HAVE DONE A LOT O

RESEARCH ON THE SOCIAL

ASPECTS,

FACE RECOLLECT ANYTHING WITHIN

RECOGNITION.

THERE'S AN ISSUE ON SENSORY

ISSUES.

AND THEY

CAN BE

EXTREMELY

DEBILITATING.

VISUAL SENSORY, PROBLEMS WITH

LIGHT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT

REALLY NEEDS TO BE

STUDIED AND

IN MY WORK WITH

ANIMALS, I'M A

VISUAL THINKER.

SO I KNOW ACCORDING TO WERE

AFRAID OF A LOT

OF LITTLE

THINGS, SHADOW, A CHAIN

HANGING

DOWN, THINGS WE TEND TO NOT

NOTICE.

>> HOW TO YOU THINK

PARENTS,

TEACHERS, FAMILIES, HOW CAN

THEY

HELP A YOUNG PERSON

NAVIGATE OR

DEAL WITH THIS?

>> IF YOU HAVE A TWO

3-YEAR-OLD CHILD, THE WORST

THE

THING YOU CAN DO IS NOTHING.

YOU HAVE TO

WORK WITH HIM,

TEACH

HIM WORDS, TURN

TAKING.

ANOTHER THING I TALK ABOUT IN

THE AUTISTIC BRAIN IS THE

DIFFERENT KINDS OF

MINDS.

I'M A VISUAL THINKER

WITH

DIFFICULTIES IN

MATH.

MY WORK MAINLY

INVOLVES

DESIGN.

ANOTHER KIND,

MATHEMATICIAN,

HE MIGHT HAVE TROUBLE WITH

READING.

ANOTHER KID IS GOOD WITH WORDS.

BUILD UP ON THE

AREA OF STRENGTH

BECAUSE WE HAVE TO

START

LOOKING

THAT.

WHAT WILL

WE DO FOR JOBS.

THERE'S NO EMPHASIZE ON

TRAINING

OR WORK SKILLS.

I KNOW THE PAPER

ROUTES

ARE GONE

BUT LET'S

FIND

SUBSTITUTES,

THINGS LIKE WALKING DOGS.

>> YOU JUST MENTIONED IT, YOUR

WORK AND

DESIGN AND

SLAUGHTERHOUSES.

FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO 'DO KNOW

ABOUT

DON'T KNOWWHAT YOU DO, TELL

US ABOUT

IT.

>> YOU CAN LOOK

AT THE VIDEO

PLANTS WITH TEMPLE GRANDIN AND

THEY ASK

ARE THE ACCORDING TO

AFRAID OF GETTING

SLAUGHTERED.

THEY'RE AFRAID OF

SHADOWS,

REFLEXIONS.

ANOTHER THING, EQUIPMENT DESIGN

HALF THE

EQUATION.

YOU HAVE TO MESSAGE

IT.

IF IT'S NOT

MANAGED RIGHT, BAD

STUFF HAPPENS.

>> DESPITE YOUR WORK WITH

MAKING

SLAUGHTER MORE

HUMANE FOR

ANIMALS,

YOU

STILL

EAT MEAT.

>> I DO.

I FEEL WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM A

LIFE WORTH

LIVING.

I THOUGHT ABOUT

THE ACCORDING TO

RAISED AND

PIGS RAISED NEVER

BORN

WE HADN'T BRED THOSE

ANIMALS BUT WE HAVE TO GIVE

THEM

A DECENT LIFE.

THERE ARE PROBLEMS STILL OUT AT

THE FARM THAT HAVE TO

FIX.

>> WHAT ARE THE PROBLEMS AT

THE

FAMILIAR?

>> PUSHING BIOLOGY

TOO HARD,

RABBIT GROWTH, THINGS LIKE

THAT,

FEED ADDITIVES

THAT CAN

PUSH

THE

BIOLOGY TOO HARD AND

CAUSE

LAMENESS AND BARON

ENVIRONMENTS,

SOMETHINGS, ESPECIALLY IN PORK

AND

CHICKENS,

EGG-LAYING

CHICKENS.

>> WITH YOUR UNIQUE MIND,

HOW

YOU TAP INTO

SEEING

WHAT

ANIMALS

SEE?

>> ANIMALS DON'T

THINK IN VERBAL

LANGUAGE,

PICTURES,

SOUND,

TOUCH

SENSATIONS, AUDITORY

CLIPS.

IT'S DETAILED

ACCEPTANCERY

INFORMATION AND BOTTOM UP

THINKING.

YOU WANT TO TEACH A DOG TO

SIT,

TEACH HIM AT

HOME, OUTSIDE, AT

THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE

BUT IF YOU TEACH HIM IN YOUR

KITCHEN, HE WON'T DO I

SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE THEY'RE

MUCH MORE SPECIFIC IN HOW THEY

THINK.

>> YOU'VE

ACCOMPLISHED A LOT,

DESPITE YOUR

AUTISM.

SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SAY YOU'VE

DONE ALL THAT

DESPITE AUTISM

WITHIN WHAT CHALLENGES DO YOU

STILL FACE THAT

ARE

UNIQUE?

>> AVICTIM IS

A BIG

SPECTRUM.

YOU HAVE EINSTEIN AND STEVE

JOBS.

STEVE JOBS WAS A

WEIRD

LONER.

AND YOU HAVE

A HUGE BIG

SPECTRUM

WITH THE SAME NAME AND TEND

GET PUT

TOGETHER BECAUSE

I'VE

SEEN KIDS THAT ARE NERDY,

I WENT

TO COLLEGE WITH AND GOT GOOD

JOBS.

ONE OF THE REASONS IS

THEY

LEARNED WORK SKILLS.

SOME THAT ARE

FULLY VERBAL

ARE

TOO OVERPROTECTED.

MY MOTHER WAS ALWAYS GETTING

OUT DOING THINGS.

WHEN I WAS

13, SHE

GOT

ME A

SEWING

JOB.

YOU STRETCH THESE KIDS OUT

THEIR COMFORT ZONE

AND I TALK

ABOUT THAT IN MY

BOOK, THE

AUTISTIC WAY.

>> IN THE BOOK YOU REFERENCE

VACCINES AND

OBVIOUSLY

THERE'S --

>> THAT'S A MAINER PART OF THE

BOOK AND

THINK THAT

WHOLE

THINGS IS

DISTRACTION.

I DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS

THAT

BECAUSE IT DISTRACTS ALL

OTHER THINGS I WANT TO TALK

ABOUT.

>> SOME

ARE

MAKE --

>> EARLIERNITY INTERVENTION,

DEVELOPING STRENGTHS, GETTING

PEOPLE INTO GOOD

JOBS BECAUSE

I'VE WORKED IN THE

CONTRACTS

INDUSTRY,

BUILDING AND DESIGNING

MY FACILITIES

AND I'VE SEEN A

LOT OF PEOPLE MY

AGE,

40, 50,

60, THEY WERE THAT KID HAVING

PROBLEMS IN SCHOOL, TO BE

LABELED MILD AUTISM

TODAY.

THE GUY

RUNS A

BIG

METAL

FABRICATION COMPANY OR FIXES

THE

COMPUTERS OR RUNS A

CREW

OF 200

PEOPLE AND THEY'RE JUST

SPECTRUM AND JUNIOR IS

TOO

OVERPROTECTED HASN'T LEARNED HOW

TO SHOP, SHAKE

HANDS, ORDER FOOD

IN A

RESTAURANT, JUST THE

MOST

BASIC SKILLS.

>> THAT'S SOMETHING YOU TALK

ABOUT, LEARNING LANGUAGE AND

MANNERS AND TAKING CARE OF

YOURSELF.

>> THE SCHOOLS

TAKING OUT

ALL OF

THE HANDS ON

CLASSES,

SEWING,

COOKING, WELDING.

WE HAVE A HUGE SHORTAGE IN

THE

SKILL'S TRADE, THINGS

LIKE TAUT

LIKE AUTO

MECHANICS.

THERE'S KIDS

WITH MILDLY

AUTISTIC AND THESE ARE THE

PERFECT JOBS.

>> WHEN DID YOU BEGIN OR REALIZE

THAT SOME OF THE GREAT THINKERS

AND MINDS LIKE YOU

REFERENCED

STEVE JOBS, WHE

N DID YOU REALIZE

THAT THEY MAY HAVE BEEN

SOMETHING LIKE

YOU?

>> WHEN YOU REMEMBER, I WAS

GROWING UP THERE WERE

NO BOOKS

ABOUT AUTUMN AT ALL.

THE VERY FIRST BOOK CAME

OUT IN

THE

EARLY '70S.

AND IT WAS VIRTUALLY NO OTHER

BOOKS.

AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING I

LEARNED A LOT MORE ABOUT

WHEN I

GOT OLDER.

NOW THERE'S

MATERIALS

AVAILABLE.

>> SO YOU

THINK THAT THEY ARE

LIKE YOU, JUST BASED

WHAT

YOU'VE READ ABOUT THESE

THINKERS?

>> WHEN I DID MY EARLIER BOOK, I

LOOKED

UP EINSTEIN

AND HE HAD A

LOT OF ODD TRAITS.

I HAVE A XEROX

COPY OF A

LETTER

FROM EINSTEIN THAT SAID HE

DIDN'T SPEAK UNTIL HE WAS THREE

AND HIS PARENTS WERE

CONCERNED.

THAT'S A KID LABOREDDED

WITH

AUTISM TODAY.

I'M SEEING KIDS COMING UP TO ME

AT MEETINGS THAT

ARE WAY

MILDER

THAN I AM

AND THEY'RE

GRADUATING

FROM COLLEGE AND HAVEN'T LEARNED

A SINGLE WORK

SKILL.

THAT'S THE DISCIPLINE OF

LEARNING A JOB TO START AT

AGE

12 AND

VOLUNTEER WORK DOES

COUNT.

YOU VOLUNTEER AT THE

FARMERS

MARKET OR CHURCH,

HELPING ON

WEEKENDS, SETTING UP THE

CHAIRS.

WHEN I WAS

15, 16, I

WAS

CLEANING EIGHT HORSE STALLS AND

PROUD THAT I TOOK CARE OF

THAT.

>> YOU SAY IN YOUR BOOK, THE

TIME HAS COME TO RETHINK THE

AUTISTIC BRAIN.

WHAT DO

YOU

MEAN?

>> WHAT KIDS CAN DO.

ALGEBRA

WAS

HOPELESS, MY CAREER

WAS BUILDING

THE THINGS THAT

THEY ARE GOOD AT DOING.

THE WAY I SOLD

JOBS WAS SHOWING

OFF A PORTFOLIO OF

MY WORK.

PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAYS

WEIRD

BUT

WHEN THEY SEE MY

DRAWINGS,

OH,

YOU DREW THAT.

>> YOU EXAMINATIONING

WERE DIAGNOSED

AT A

TIME

WHEN

VERY FEW

PEOPLE HAD HEARD

OF IT.

HOW HAS THAT CHANGED.

>> WHEN I WAS A KID I

WAS IN THE

CORNER ROCKING, NO SPEECH, I

WAS

NOT FLUENT IN SPEECH UNTIL I WAS

FOUR YEARS OLD.

THEN YOU GET THE AS

BERGER TYPES

OF KIDS WITH THE SPEECH

NORMAL AND THEY HAVE NO

FRIENDS.

THEY'RE

SOCIALLY AWKWARD.

I RECOMMEND

ANY

PARENT WITH A

KID ON THE

AUTISTIC SPECTRUM IS

JOIN A LOCAL

SUPPORT

GROUP.

>> YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT

MENTORS,

ESPECIALLY

DR. CARLOCK AND THE

IMPORTANCE.

>> HE WAS REALLY IMPORTANT.

ONE OF WAYS HE

MOTIVATED ME WAS

GIVING ME INTERESTING PROJECTS.

THE MBO

MOVIE,

I BUILT

THAT.

THAT WAS PROJECT I

DID.

HE DIDN'T JUST TELL ME HOW

BUILD IT.

HE WANTED ME TO FIGURE IT OUT.

HE DIDN'T JUST GIVE ME THE

ANSWERS.

>> WHERE WOULD YOU B

E HAD YOU

NOT COME ACROSS

MENTORS LIKE HIM

OVER YOUR CAREER?

>> PROBABLY NOT WHERE

NOT.

GOOD PEOPLE IN

THE

CATTLE

INDUSTRY, BUT THERE WERE PEOPLE

IN THE CATTLE INDUSTRY THAT WERE

GOOD TO ME.

ME, THAT GOT

ME THOSE

JOBS.

>> HOW DO YOU ENCOURAGE OR WHAT

ADVICE DO YOU HAVE FOR A

POTENTIAL MENTOR AS THEY

APPROACH GUIDING SOMEONE ON THE

SPECTRUM?

>> WELL, I'LL TALK ON THE

HIGHER

END OF

THE

SPECTRUM, WHAT IS

THEIR

INTERESTS?

I WAS MORE ART

SIDE OF THINGS,

MORE MATHEMATIC KIND OF KIDS AND

TOO MANY KIDS ARE

ADDICTED TO

VIDEO GAMES AND

NOT

DOIN

ANYTHING ELSE.

THE MATHEMATICS TYPE, LET'S GET

HIM ON WEBSITES TO LEARN

PROGRAMMING.

CODE ACADEMY, THEY CAN LEARN

PROGRAMMING.

THE KIDS THAT LIKE TO

WRITE.

LET'S GET THEM WRITING

NEIGHBORHOOD NEWS

LETTER.

USE

YOUR

SKILLS AND

DO SOMETHING

SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS.

>> YOU HAVE HAD AN

OPPORTUNITY

TO TO SEE

YOUR

OWN BRAIN

SCANS.

HOW DO YOU THINK

THAT

HELPS

SCIENCE.

>> THERE'S A WHOLE CHAPTER ON

THE BRAIN SCAN

THAT MY MATH

DEPARTMENT IS FULL OF WATER.

I HAVE

EXTRA VISUAL

ASSOCIATIONS,

MAMIGULA

IS LARGER

THAN NORMAL, FOR

WHY

WAS SO

NERVOUS AND NOW

CONTROLLED WITH

ANTIDEPRESSANTS.

LOT

OF VARIETY IN

AUTISM.

IT'S UNEVEN

SKILLS.

AUTOMOBILE AREA OF STRENGTH AND

DEPTH.

NEED MORE EMPHASIS ON THE

AREA OF

STRENGTH.

>> THE SQUEEZE MACHINE YOU MADE,

I FOUND IT ONLINE

FIRST, SEVERAL

THOUSAND DOLLARS.

DO YOU THINK SOME DAY

IT WILL BE

MOSH ASSESSABLE FOR

FAMILIES TO

HELPFUL?

>> LITTLE KIDS, MATH AND

YOU

THINGS LIKE THAT.

DEEP PRESSURE CALMS DOWN

SOME OF

THESE KIDS, NOT ALL.

THIS IS

WHERE AUTISM IS

DIFFERENT.

A LOT OF KIDS

THERE'S

INEXPENSIVE WAYS TO DO THE SAME

THING.

>> THE SQUEEZE MACHINE OR HUG

MACHINE,

IT'S AN

APPARATUS YOU

MADE TO

GIVE A HUG.

>> OF COURSE, I GOT

FIXATED ON

THAT.

YOU HAVE TO TAKE SOMETHING A KID

IS FIXATED

ON AND BROADEN

OUT.

LIKE TRAINS, LET'S READ

ABOUT

TRAINS OR MAYBE YOU CAN GET A

JOB IN THE

RAILROAD, SOMETHING

TO TURN INTO

A CAREER.

>> OVER THE YEARS, HAVE YOU

CHANGED YOUR OPINION ON

HUGS?

>> I'M HUGGING REAL PEOPLE NOW.

MAYBE I'LL HUG

YOU AFTER THIS

INTERVIEW IS OVER.

>> THANK YOU.

TEMPLE

GRANDIN, AUTHOR,

SCIENTIST,

ACTIVIST, THANK YOU