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>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

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>> THE U.S. SENATE IS REPORTEDLY

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HOLDING BIPARTISAN TALKS ON SOME

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POSSIBLE GUN CONTROL MEASURES IN

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THE WAKE OF THE UVALDE SCHOOL

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SHOOTING THAT LEFT 21 DEAD AS

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CHICAGO REELS FROM ANOTHER

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VIOLENT MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND AND

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AS DEMOCRATS CALL FOR STRICTER

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MEASURES THAN THOSE BEING

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CONSIDERED LIKE A NATIONWIDE BAN

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ON ASSAULT RIFLES.

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JOINING US ARE DAN KOTOWSKI

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PRESIDENT OF C.E.O. OF KIDS

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ABOVE ALL.

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AND RICHARD PIERSON.

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WELCOME BACK TO "CHICAGO

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TONIGHT."

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RICHARD, UVALDE, BUFFALO,

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CHICAGO SEES GUN VIOLENCE ON A

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DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.

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WE SEE THE TALKS ON RED FLAG

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LAWS, EXPANDED BACKGROUND

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CHECKS.

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RAISING THE AGE FROM 18 TO 21 TO

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PURCHASE A SEMIAUTOMATIC WEAPON.

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DO YOU SEE GUN RIGHTS ADVOCATES

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SUPPORTING ANY OF THESE?

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>> MAYBE BACKGROUND CHECKS BUT

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>> THE RIFLE ASSOCIATION YOU

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WOULD NOT SUPPORT RED FLAG LAWS

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>> WELL, THEY HAVE RED FLAG LAWS

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ALREADY IN ILLINOIS.

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IT'S LIKE ANY LEGISLATION, YOU

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KNOW, TO SAY RED FLAGS MEANS ONE

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THING IN ONE PLACE AND ANOTHER

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THING IN ANOTHER PLACE YOU HAVE

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TO LOOK AT THE LEGISLATION TO

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SEE WHAT TAKES PLACE DURING THE

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LEGISLATION.

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AND WHAT IT DOES.

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HOW FAR REACHING IT IS.

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WHAT RIGHTS DO THE PEOPLE

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ACCUSED HAVE SO FORTH.

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IT IS A COMPLICATED ISSUE.

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AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL

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THESE THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT

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EVERYONE IS PROTECTED AS MUCH AS

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>> DAN KOTOWSKI AT THE FEDERAL

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LEVEL, WHAT KIND OF RESTRICTIONS

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WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE OFFICIALS

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TAKE UP?

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AND WHAT DO YOU THINK IS

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POLITICALLY POSSIBLE RIGHT NOW?

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>> WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO DO

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WHATEVER WE CAN TO PLACE THE

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SAFETY AND WELL-BEING IN

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EDUCATION OF ALL KIDS.

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FRANKLY, OUR CHILDREN THROUGHOUT

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OUR COUNTRY AND OUR CITY AND OUR

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STATE AND THROUGH OTHER PLACES

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IN THE U.S. THEY ARE BEING

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AND THEY ARE VULNERABLE BECAUSE

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OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT

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TAKEN THE STEPS NECESSARY TO

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PROTECT THEM FROM WEAPONS OF

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MASS DESTRUCTION FROM MILITARY

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ASSAULT RIFLES AND PISTOLS.

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STYLE ASSAULT RIFLES AND PISTOLS

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IT MADE AN IMPACT.

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BUT THE REAL CONSEQUENCES AFTER

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IT SUNSETTED INCREDIBLE NUMBER

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CAPACITY MAGAZINES.

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GUNS THAT THEY LOOK EXACTLY LIKE

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A MILITARY WEAPON.

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AUTOMATIC BUT THEY ARE

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NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN A SHORT

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DANGEROUS IS HIGH CAPACITY

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THE REALITY IS WHEN WE CRACKDOWN

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NATIONALLY, IT MADE A

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DIFFERENCE.

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SAW A BALLOONING OF THE NUMBER

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OF SHOOTINGS THAT OCCURRED IN

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OUR COUNTRY AND WE'VE BEEN

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SEEING THAT.

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I'M NOT HERE TO DEBATE I'M HERE

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THE TIME FOR ACTION IS NOW.

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THE GUN LOBBY'S WAY FOR DECADES.

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NOW THE TIME IS TO DO IT IN A

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WAY TO HELP OUR KIDS BE SAFE AND

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SECURE AND PROTECTED.

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WE WANT TO PROTECT OUR TEACHERS

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OUR CHILDREN, OUR

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FIRST-RESPONDERS.

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AND DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO MAKE

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SURE THAT WE REALIZE THAT

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OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY SHOULD GET

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THEY DESERVE LIFE, LIBERTY AND

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THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

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>> THE SUNSET OF THE ASSAULT

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WEAPONS BAN.

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RICHARD PIERSON, A CNN ANNOUNCED

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THERE WERE 288 SCHOOL SHOOTINGS

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IN THE U.S. IN THE LAST 13 YEARS

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AND THE NEXT HIGHEST COUNTRY WAS

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CANADA WITH TWO.

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AND THE COUNTRIES THAT HAVE LOW

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TO NO SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, LOW

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MURDER RATES, HAVE STRICTER GUN

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MEASURES.

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WOULDN'T ANY REASONABLE PERSON

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CONCLUDE THAT THE X FACTOR IN

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THE UNITED STATES IS GUNS AND

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THE PERMITS OF GUN LAWS?

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THE SURVEY THE CAUSE OF IT.

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I LOOK AT THE SOCIAL STRUCTURE

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OF THE UNITED STATES.

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THE POPULATION MIX WE HAVE.

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THE NUMBER OF ACTUALLY

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FATHERLESS CHILDREN THAT ARE OUT

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THAT DON'T GET GUIDANCE.

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THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THE KIDS

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NEED MENTAL HELP AND THERE IS NO

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HELP AVAILABLE FOR THEM.

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THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT

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WE CAN DO BESIDES TAKING A

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FIREARMS AWAY FROM LAW-ABIDING

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CITIZENS.

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WE WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE THING

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ABOUT MAKING SCHOOLS SAFER.

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AND THE PLANS ARE OUT THERE.

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AND YET WE DID ABSOLUTELY

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NOTHING.

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EASY STUFF LIKE LOCK THE DOORS

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SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HAVE

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SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS.

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SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HAVE

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TRAINING FOR THE CHILDREN ABOUT

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WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY GET A

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FIREARM IN THE SCHOOL.

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SO WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY OF THAT

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>> DAN KOTOWSKI?

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>> AS SOMEONE WHO SPONSORED THE

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LAW THAT REQUIRED SCHOOL SAFETY

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DRILLS, I'VE WORKED OVER DECADES

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TO MAKE SURE WE PUT REASONABLE

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MEASURES IN PLACE TO PROTECT

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AND FAMILIES ARE SAFE.

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AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR THIS

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CONVERSATION ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH

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BECAUSE PEOPLE STRUGGLE WITH

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MENTAL HEALTH ALL OVER THE

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THEY STRUGGLE WITH DEPRESSION

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THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO

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WEAPONS THAT ARE THIS

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DESTRUCTIVE.

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THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO

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WEAPONS THAT FIRE 30, 50, 100

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BLAME MENTAL HEALTH IS AN

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LOOK, I WORK IN AN AGENCY WHERE

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WE HAVE A CAMP FOR CHILDREN WHO

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LOST FAMILY MEMBERS TO HOMICIDE.

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WE LITERALLY HAVE A CAMP.

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MOST OF THE KIDS HAVE LOST THEIR

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MOMS AND KIDS AND BROTHERS AND

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SISTERS TO GUN VIOLENCE.

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AND WE PROVIDE THEM WITH

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ONE-ON-ONE THERAPY, GROUP WORK

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IN A CAMP WHERE THEY CAN COME

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TOGETHER AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS

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ABOUT HOW ARE THEY GOING TO HEAL

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FROM THE GRIEF, AND MAKE SURE

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THEY ARE NOT DEFINED BY THEIR

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GRIEF.

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THE REALITY IS EVERYBODY

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THROUGHOUT THE PLANET STRUGGLES

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WITH MENTAL ILLNESS WE ARE THE

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ONLY COUNTRY ON THE PLANET THAT

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STRUGGLES WITH EASY AND READY

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ACCESSIBILITY OF MILITARY STYLE

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ASSAULT WEAPONS.

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>> AND YOU DON'T WANT GUNS TAKEN

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AWAY FROM LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.

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THE FREEM SUPREME COURT AFFIRMED

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THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

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ARE THERE REASONABLE

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RESTRICTIONS THAT THE WOULD NOT

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INFRINGE ON THE RIGHTS OF

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LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS?

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>> WELL, WE TALK ABOUT THE

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BACKGROUND CHECKS BECAUSE

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ILLINOIS IS A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL

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YOU CAN BUY A FIREARM YOU HAVE

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TO GO THROUGH A BACKGROUND CHECK

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AND TO DO THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE

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AN FOID CARD AND TO HAVE AN FOID

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CARD YOU GO THROUGH A MENTAL

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HEALTH AND A LEGAL BACKGROUND

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CHECK EVERY NIGHT OF THE YEAR

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AND IF YOU HAVE A CONCEALED

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CARRY PERMIT YOU GO THROUGH TWO

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OF THEM.

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ILLINOIS IS TIGHT COMPARED TO

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THE OTHER STATES.

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I WILL SAY THAT.

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AND SO YOU HAVE KEEP AN EYE ON

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THESE THINGS.

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>> YOU ARE SAYING THE OTHER

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STATES COULD ADOPT POLICIES AND

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PERHAPS BRING THE OVERALL RATE

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DOWN?

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>> THERE'S BEEN PROPOSALS THAT

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TALK ABOUT DOING THAT.

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BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE.

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THERE ARE ONLY FOUR STATES THAT

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DO THIS, ILLINOIS,

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MASSACHUSETTS, I CAN'T REMEMBER

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THE OTHER ONE, NORTH CAROLINA

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MAYBE.

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BUT SO TO DO TIGHT BACKGROUND

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CHECKS AS WE DO.

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WE USE THE NATIONAL CHECK SYSTEM

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BUT ADMINISTERED BY THE ILLINOIS

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STATE POLICE.

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TO PURCHASE A FIREARM AND

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PURCHASE A FIREARM PRIVATELY YOU

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HAVE TO GET AN APPROVAL NUMBER

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FROM THE ILLINOIS STATE POLICE.

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YOU HAVE HAVE THE FOID CARD, THE

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PERSON'S BIRTHDAY AND IT TELLS

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YOU UP-TO-DATE WHAT YOUR

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STANDARD IS.

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>> THERE ARE A LOT OF LEVELS

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HERE.

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DAN KOTOWSKI ABOUT ILLINOIS

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STATE POLICE THEY ARE THE UP

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WITHS CHARGED WITH TAKING GUNS

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AWAY PERHAPS UNDER THE STATE'S

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RED FLAG LAWS.

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DOES THAT SYSTEM WORK IN

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ILLINOIS?

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>> HERE IS THE THING.

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YES, BUT THAT IS AN ARGUMENT

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THAT WAS POSED BY THE OTHER

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GUEST HERE FOR UNIFORMITY

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FEDERALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT

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DANGEROUS PEOPLE DON'T GET

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ACCESS TO GUNS.

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I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REALIZE THIS

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YOU CAN ACCESS THROUGH CERTAIN

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BACKGROUND CHECKS TO GET MACHINE

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GUNS MADE BEFORE A CERTAIN TIME

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IN OUR COUNTRY.

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BUT YOU NEED TO BE REGISTERED,

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YOU NEED TO BE FINGERPRINTED AND

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GO THROUGH ALL THESE MEASURES

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AND YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF

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SITUATIONS WITH PEOPLE USING

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MACHINE GUNS.

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YOU SEE THEM USING MILITARY

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ASSAULT RIFLES THAT ARE NOT

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REGULATED.

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THIS IS A TEDDY BEAR.

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TEDDY BEARS ARE MORE STRICTLY

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REGULATED IN TERMS OF PRODUCTION

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THAN GUNS.

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THEY HAVE TO PASS SHARP ENDS,

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LOOSE PARTS AND FLAMMABILITY.

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A COUPLE YEARS AGO BUILD A BEAR

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RECALLED 300,000 TEDDY BEARS

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BECAUSE THE EYES PRESENTED A

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RISK TO KIDS BECAUSE THEY WOULD

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CHOKE ON THEM.

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THE GUN MANUFACTURERS HAVE BEEN

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GIVEN A FREE PASS BY CONGRESS

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FOR TOO LONG.

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IT'S CREATED A PROBLEM.

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THE GUN USES TODDLERS IN ADS TO

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MARKET MILITARY STYLE ASSAULT

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RIFLES.

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>> A LOT TO DIG INTO HERE.

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>> THEY NEED TO STAND UP AND BE

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RESPONSIBLE.