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HEADS IN CITY COUNCIL.

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>> THANK YOU.

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>> COMPETING PLANS FOR POLICE

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OVERSIGHT ARE COMING TO A HEAD

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IN CHICAGO.

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YESTERDAY AT LONG-LAST MAYOR

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LORI LIGHTFOOT INTRODUCED HER

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PLAN FOR CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF

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THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT TO

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THE CITY COUNCIL.

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ACTIVISTS SAY IT IS A WATERED

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DOWN VERSION OF THEIR PLAN AND

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THAT IS CALLED EMPOWERING

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COMMUNITIES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY OR

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ECPS AND THAT PLAN WILL ALSO GO

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IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL NEXT

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MONTH.

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AND JOINING US ARE TARER

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ABOUZEID, STAFF ATTORNEY FOR

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CARE CHICAGO AND LEGAL COUNSEL

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TO ACEH ALLIANCE AGAINST RACISM.

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>> AND DESMON YANCY, SPOKELESS

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PERSON NOT THE GRASSROOTS

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ALLIANCE FOR POLICE

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ACCOUNTABILITY OR GAPA.

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WE INVITED MAYOR LORI LIGHTFOOT

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AND DAVID BROWN THEY DECLINED

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BUT WE WILL HEAR FROM CHRIS

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TALIAFERRO.

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WE DO THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING

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HERE, GENTLEMEN AND AT THE TOP

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RUNDOWN WHAT THE PROPOSALS ARE.

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FIRST WITH MAYOR LORI

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LIGHTFOOT'S PLAN IT CREATES AN

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ELECTED BOARD THOUGHT COULD

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REVIEW BUT NOT VETO C.P.D.

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POLICY AND RECOMMEND APPLICANTS

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BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE FINAL

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SAY ON HIRING AND FIRING AND

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WOULD RECOMMEND A BUDGET

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PROPOSAL.

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THE EMPOWERING COMMUNITIES FOR

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PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN WOULD GIVE

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THE BOARD FINAL SAY ON POLICY

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DISTRIBUTES BETWEEN C.P.D. AND

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ADMINISTRATIONS AND CREATE A

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BINDING REFERENDUM IN 2022 THAT

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IF APPROVED BY CHICAGOANS WOULD

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GIVE AN ELECTED BOARD THE POWER

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TO HIRE AND FIRE THE POLICE

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SO TARER ABOUZEID, YOU'VE CALLED

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THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL WATERED

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DOWN VERSION OF YOUR PROPOSAL.

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WHERE DO YOU BELIEVE THE MAYOR'S

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PROPOSAL FALLS SHORT?

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>> IT FALLS SHORT IN MANY

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I THINK WHAT SHE HAS ESSENTIALLY

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DONE IS COPY AND PASTE SOME

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PORTIONS OF OUR PROPOSAL AND

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THEN GO ON TO REMOVE ANY REAL

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AUTHORITY OR POWER AND CALL IT

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HER OWN.

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I'M NOT SURE WHY IT TOOK SEVEN

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I WANT TO CORRECT SOMETHING THAT

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YOU SAID HER PROPOSAL DOES NOT

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CREATE THIS ELECTED BOARD.

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THE ELECTED BOARD IS NOMINATED

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BY DISTRICT COUNCIL EXCEPT SHE

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DOES NOT CREATE A FORMAT TO HAVE

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THESE DISTRICT COUNCIL

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ELECTIONS.

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THE BOARD WILL END UP BEING

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SELECTED BY HER AND THE PUBLIC

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SAFETY COMMITTEE UNTIL SOME KIND

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OF ELECTION IS DECIDED ON IN THE

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SHE DOES NOT SETUP AN ELECTION.

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SHE ALSO TAKES AWAY ANY POWER TO

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HIRE AND FIRE FOR CAUSE THE

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C.O.P.A. CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR.

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AND SHE TAKES AWAY THE POWER TO

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NAMED AS ESSENTIAL BY MOST

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ACCOUNTABILITY WITHOUT POWER

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OVER POLICY THE COMMISSION DOES

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>> WITH HER PROPOSAL THERE IS A

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ROUNDABOUT WAY SAYING SHE WOULD

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HAVE THE FINAL SAY OVER THIS

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BOARD.

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AND THEN HAVE IT BE FULLY

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ELECTED AT SOME FUTURE DATE TO

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BE DETERMINED.

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DESMON YANCY, YOUR PROPOSAL THAT

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YOU'VE JOINTLY AGREED ON IT

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WOULD HAVE THE POWER TO ENACT

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POLICY OR COME UP WITH POLICY

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FOR C.P.D.

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FOR INSTANCE, SAY THE C.P.D. HAD

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TO ENACT A FOOT PURSUIT POLICY.

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HOW WOULD THIS PROCESS WORK?

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>> THE PROCESS WOULD WORK WHERE

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WITH THE COMMISSION HAVING

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IDENTIFIED THE NEED FOR THE

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POLICY, THE COMMISSION WOULD BE

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WHO UNDERSTAND THIS SORT OF

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THEY COME UP WITH A POLICY WORK

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DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE A POLICY

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THAT IS SAFE FOR ALL PEOPLE

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PROCESS THAT ULTIMATELY, UNLESS

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THE COMMISSION AGREES THIS IS

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THE POLICY THE CITY DESERVES IS

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GETS PASSED.

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WHAT TARER ABOUZEID SAID, IT'S

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IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE

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MAYOR'S PROPOSAL DOES, IT ISN'T

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CLEAR OF THE INTENTION TO CREATE

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COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT THROUGH

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THE ELECTIONS.

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TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE PASSED

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WHERE SHE PICKS FIVE OF THE

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SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION,

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AND THEN THE COMMISSION DECIDES

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ON THE PROCESS FOR THE DISTRICT

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COUNCIL ELECTIONS, THE

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DISINDUSTRIES COUNCIL ELECTIONS

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CANNOT TAKE PLACE WITHOUT ACTION

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SO THE WEIGHT ON SPRINGFIELD TO

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PASS LEGISLATION IT SEEMS

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DISINJINIOUS TO HAVE THE

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COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.

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>> IT SEEMS LIKE A PASSING OF

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THE BALL.

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TARER ABOUZEID IS THERE A FAIR

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CRITICISM THAT THE FINAL

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SEVENMEMBERS IS MADE UP OF FOLKS

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WITHOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT

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BACKGROUNDS AND WALKING IN THE

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SHOES OF A POLICE OFFICER WHEN

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COMING UP WITH POLICY THAT

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IMPACTS PUBLIC SAFETY AND

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POLICING?

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FAIR CRITICISM.

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MADE UP OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

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WHEN YOU WANT SOMEONE TO OVERSEE

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WHAT YOUR GOVERNMENT DOES YOU

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ARE NOT HIRING THOSE SAME PEOPLE

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TO POLICE THEMSELVES.

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WHAT WE WANT IS ACCOUNTABILITY.

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AND WHO SHOULD YOU BE

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ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU?

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YOU SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE

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PEOPLE OF THE CITY.

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AND SO THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE

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SUPPOSED TO HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT

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POLICING LAW ENFORCEMENT, WELL,

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AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HAVE

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TRIED THAT FOR DECADES AND WE

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KNOW IT DOES NOT WORK.

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>> AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT

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THE POLICE BOARD IS NOT MADE UP

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WITH FOLKS THAT HAVE LAW

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ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUNDS OVER THE

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YEARS SOME HAVE.

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BUT MOST OF THEM AS I SEE IT

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HAVE NOT.

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LET'S HEAR FROM ALDERMAN CHRIS

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TALIAFERRO, THE CHAIR OF THE

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PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE ON THAT

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NOTION OF ACCOUNTABILITY.

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>> YOU KNOW, YOU DO NEED SOMEONE

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TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE

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ACTIONS OF THE SUPERINTENDENT.

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AND THE ACTIONS OF OUR POLICE

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DEPARTMENT.

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THAT WILL ALWAYS REST SOLELY

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WITH THE MAYOR AS THE CHIEF

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EXECUTIVE OF THE CITY.

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AND SO GIVEN THAT

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RESPONSIBILITY, GIVEN THOSE

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OBLIGATIONS, TO THE RESIDENTS OF

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THE CITY, I THINK IT'S VERY

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IMPORTANT THAT SHE BE ABLE TO

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SELECT THE CANDIDATE FROM THE

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LIST PROVIDED TO HER.

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>> ALL RIGHT.

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ALDERMAN IS MAKING THE ARGUMENT

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FOR THE MAYOR RETAINING THE

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POWER TO HIRE AND FIRE THE

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POLICE SUPERINTENDENT WHAT ABOUT

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THE BUCK STOPS WITH THE MAYOR

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AND THE MAYOR THEN WEARS THE

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HAT.

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IF THINGS ARE NOT GOING WELL

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WITH VIOLENCE AND THE POLICE

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DEPARTMENT?

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>> WELL, I MEAN IT IS A SYSTEM

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THAT HAS NOT WORKED YET.

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THE MAYOR'S BEEN ACCOUNTABLE TO

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THE CITY OF CHICAGO AND THE

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POLICE CHIEF HAS BEEN

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ACCOUNTABLE TO HER, AND PREVIOUS

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MAYORS AND WE CONTINUE TO HAVE

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THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH OUR

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POLICE DEPARTMENT.

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WE HAVE DECADES LONG ISSUES WITH

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THE WAYS OUR COMMUNITIES ARE

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POLICED AND IT'S IMPORTANT WE DO

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SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND THE

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COMMUNITY HAVE SAY SO HOW WE'RE

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POLICED AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT

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WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE

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MAYOR BEFORE SHE WAS MAYOR AND

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HEAD OF THE POLICE

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ACCOUNTABILITY TASK FORCE WHERE

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IN HER DOCUMENT SHE TALKED ABOUT

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THE CREATION OF A CIVILIAN

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OVERSIGHT BODY.

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AND THAT BODY SHOULD BE CREATED

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WITH THE COMMUNITY INPUT.

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>> THIS WAS THE TASK FORCE SHE

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CHAIRED THAT THE FORMER MAYOR

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RAHM EMANUEL PUT HER IN CHARGE

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OF.

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GO AHEAD.

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>> AND THE COMMUNITY SHOULD

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DECIDE THOSE POWERS.

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THE ORDINANCE SHE PUT FORTH DOES

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NOT HAVE THE COMMUNITY VOICE IN

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IT HAS NOT BEEN VETTED BY THE

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COMMUNITY IF SHE HAD SHE WOULD

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HAVE A DIFFERENT ORDINANCE IN

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FRONT OF US.

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IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IN ORDER FOR

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THE TRANSFORMATION TO HAPPEN

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THAT WE NEED THAT THE RESIDENTS

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OF THE CITY OF CHICAGO USE THEIR

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VOICE AND HER ORDINANCE DOES NOT

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PROVIDE FOR THAT.

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>> TARER ABOUZEID YOU WOULD PUT

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A REFERENDUM TO VOTERS TO JUST

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MAKE THEM WEIGH-IN ON THIS

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QUESTION A BINDING REFERENDUM

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SHOULD THE COMMISSION HAVE THE

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POWER TO HIRE AND FIRE THE

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SUPERINTENDENT.

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WHY DO THAT INSTEAD OF BAKE IT

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INTO YOUR PROPOSAL?

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>> BECAUSE DEMOCRACY.

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WE'VE HEARD FROM MULTIPLE PEOPLE

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AND THERE IS A GENUINE GOOD

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FAITH SPLIT ON WHETHER PEOPLE

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WANT THE COMMISSION TO PICK THE

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SUPERINTENDENT OR THE MAYOR.

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NOW, WE WANT THE PEOPLE OF

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CHICAGO TO DECIDE AND THAT IS

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HOW IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE ANY

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POWER THE MAYOR HAS ANY POWER

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THE COMMISSION HAS COMES FROM

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THE PEOPLE.

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WHAT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IS THAT

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THE MAYOR KEEPS SAYING SHE WEARS

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THE JACKET BUT THE TRUTH IS IF

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THE VOTERS OF CHICAGO DECIDE

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THAT SHE SHOULD NOT BE HIRING

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THE SUPERINTENDENT, THEN THE

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PEOPLE OF CHICAGO WILL NOT

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PUNISH HER FOR WHAT THE

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SUPERINTENDENT DOES.

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THE PEOPLE OF CHICAGO ARE NOT

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STUPID.

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THEY WILL NOT TAKE AWAY HER

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ABILITY TO HIRE AND FIRE A

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SUPERINTENDENT AND THEN BLAME

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HER FOR WHAT THAT SUPERINTENDENT

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DOES.

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>> LEAVE THAT ASPECT UP TO THE

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VOTERS.

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LET'S BE CLEAR, THIS OVERSIGHT

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PANEL WOULD OVERSEE THE POLICE

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BOARD AND ALSO OVERSEE C.O.P.A.,

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THE CIVILIAN OFFICE OF POLICE

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ACCOUNTABILITY, 22 DISTRICTS

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HERE IN THIS BOARD.

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YOU WOULD HAVE THREE PEOPLE

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ELECTED IN EACH DISTRICT THAT IS

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66 PEOPLE TO PICK THE FINAL

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SEVEN PEOPLE.

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ARE YOU WORRIED HERE ABOUT

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LAYERS AND LAYERS OF

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BUREAUCRACY?

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DESMON YANCY THAT IS FOR YOU?

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>> SURE, I DON'T THINK SO.

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DEMOCRACY CAN BE MESSY SOMETIMES

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BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE

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CHALLENGES THAT EXIST IN

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REFORMING THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT

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AND LET'S BE CLEAR, THE REASON

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WE WANT TO REFORM THE POLICE

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DEPARTMENT IS BECAUSE PUBLIC

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SAFETY IS IMPORTANT TO EVERYBODY

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AND COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T FEEL

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SAFE WHEN THE POLICE COME TO

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THEIR DOOR ARE NOT GOING TO TALK

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TO POLICE WHEN THEY ARE VICTIMS

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OF CRIME.

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HAVING THE COMMUNITY VOICE AND

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HAVING THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR

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PEOPLE WITHIN THE DISTRICT TO

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ENGAGE OUTSIDE OF THE POLICE

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DEPARTMENT INITIALLY TO HAVE

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CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW THE

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COMMUNITIES SHOULD BE POLICED

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WHAT ISSUES THEY HAVE IN THEIR

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COMMUNITY TO BE ADDRESSED AND

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THEN TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE WITH

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THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT IS

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WHERE THE TRUST NEEDS TO COME

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FROM.

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FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS AND

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BEYOND, THAT TRUST HASN'T COME

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FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT

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TOWARDS THE COMMUNITY.

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MANY OF OUR COMMUNITIES FELT

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MORE TERRORIZED AND OCCUPIED BY

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THE POLICE THAN SERVED AND

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PROTECTED BY IT.

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>> AS WE MENTIONED THIS IS GOING

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TO COME TO A HEAD NEXT MONTH AS

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THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE

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CHAIRMAN, CHRIS TALIAFERRO, SAID

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THAT THESE BILLS WILL HAVE A

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HEARING.