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THREE NIGHT ONLY  HARD TO GET A 

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PICTURE OF SANTA, SO I  

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APPRECIATE THAT. WE WILL SEE  

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YOU IN A LITTLE BIT.   

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>>> NOW TO DONALD TRUMP IN THE  

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NEWS IN CHICAGO.    

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>> FEW THINGS HAVE START AS  

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MUCH CONTROVERSY AS THE MASSIVE 

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TRUMP SIGN ON DONALD TRUMP'S  

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CHICAGO TOWER.  THE CHICAGO  

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TRIBUNE EDITORIALIZED  THAT THE 

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SIGN SHOULD COME DOWN SAYING,  

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"REINTRODUCE AN ORDINANCE AND 

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RE-INVOKE  MORAL TURPITUDE.   

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TRY TO GET IT TAKEN DOWN.   WE  

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WILL WAGER MOST EVERYONE WHO 

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LIVES THERE WILL SUPPORT IT."   

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THEY HAD ORIGINALLY ARGUED THE  

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SIGN SHOULD STAY UP  BUT THE   

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CONVICTION FOR TAX FRAUD  

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CHARGES CHANGES THAT   

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PERCEPTION.   WE ARE JOINED BY  

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THE PRESIDENT OF  LIBERTY  

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JUSTICE CENTER.  WE ALSO  

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INVITED THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION  

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TO SEND A REPRESENTATIVE, BUT  

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THEY DO NOT RESPOND.    

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ALDERMEN, FIRST WITH YOU, YOU  

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INTRODUCED AN ORDINANCE LAST  

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YEAR TO HAVE THIS SIGN TAKEN  

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DOWN. WHY DO YOU BELIEVE IT  

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SHOULD COME DOWN? 

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>> I INTRODUCED THAT ORDINANCE  

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ON THE HEELS OF JANUARY 6.  YOU 

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KNOW, I WAS IN THE MARINE CORPS 

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AND I TOOK AN OATH TO DEFEND 

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THIS  COUNTRY AGAINST ALL  

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ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.   

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WHAT WE SAW  ON JANUARY 6 WAS  

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HORRIBLE AND IT WAS LED BY   

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DONALD TRUMP.  WE WANTED TO PUT 

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AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE BECAUSE  

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WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT  

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ANYONE INVOLVED IN JANUARY 6  

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COULD NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THE 

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CITY OF CHICAGO.  WE INTRODUCED 

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IT AND GOT IT PASSED IN MARCH.  

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>> I WANT TO COME BACK WITH  

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SOME SPECIFICS.   JACOB HUBERT, 

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WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS 

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DISCUSSION AND THE CALLS FOR   

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TRUMP TO TAKE THAT SIGN DOWN, 

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AND WHETHER THE CITY EVEN HAS  

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ANY AUTHORITY TO DO THAT?  

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>> THE CITY IS TARGETING THIS  

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SIGN BECAUSE  THEY DON'T LIKE  

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WHAT IT SAYS.  AND IF THE FIRST 

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AMENDMENT MEANS ANYTHING, IT  

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MEANS THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT  

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TARGET SPEECH. IT CANNOT TELL  

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PEOPLE TO TAKE  DOWN THEIR  

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SIGNS BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE 

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WHAT THEY SAY.   AND SO, THIS  

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IS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE.  IT  

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DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU THINK  

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OF DONALD TRUMP .  THE PERSON  

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WHO OWNS THE BUILDING HAS A  

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RIGHT TO PUT WHAT THEY WANT ON  

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THAT BUILDING, CERTAINLY THE  

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NAME OF THE BUILDING OR THE 

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NAME OF THE OWNER.  SO IT IS AN 

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OFFENSE AGAINST FIRST AMENDMENT 

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RIGHTS  AND ONE THAT IS ALL TOO 

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FAMILIAR  IN CHICAGO.   

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>> WHAT ABOUT THAT? IT IS HARD  

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TO FIND A LEGAL ARGUMENT THAT  

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WOULD SAY THE FIRST AMENDMENT  

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DOES NOT APPLY HERE.   THAT A  

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PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER CAN DO  

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WHAT THEY WANT.  

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>> THIS IS NOT TARGETED, THIS 

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IS  AROUND THE JANUARY 6 

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INSURRECTION .  THE IRONY IS 

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THAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT SPEECH 

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 IN THE PRESIDENT TALKING ABOUT 

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ELIMINATING THE CONSTITUTION,   

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IT IS  AWKWARD THAT THIS GUEST  

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HERE IS DEFENDING THAT BUT THAT 

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SAID, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OUR  

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LEGAL TEAM TAKING A LOOK AT  

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EXPANDING FOR THOSE THAT HAVE 

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SIGNS  THAT ARE CONVICTED OF  

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CRIMES AND EXPANDING IT  TO TAX 

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FRAUD TO SEE HOW IT WORKS.  

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RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ATTORNEYS  

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WORKING CLOSELY WITH ALDERMAN 

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RILEY  AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE 

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THAT WE ARE WORKING  

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COLLABORATIVELY TO FIGURE WAYS  

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TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE.   

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>> SO YOU ARE SAYING --   

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SOMEONE CONVICTED OF TAX FRAUD  

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.  JACOB HUBERT, SOMETHING LIKE 

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THAT, DOES THAT SOUND LIKE IT  

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PASSES LEGAL MUSTER?  

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>> NO.  IF YOU COMMIT A CRIME,  

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WHETHER IT IS TAX FRAUD,   

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WHETHER IT IS INSURRECTION OR  

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TREES OR WHATEVER, THOSE CRIMES 

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, IF YOU ARE CONVICTED OF THEM, 

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HAVE A SPECIFIC SENTENCE AND  

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THE SENTENCE IS NOT  YOU LOSE  

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ALL OF YOUR RIGHTS EVERYWHERE.  

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  LIKE IN THE CASE OF THE TRUMP 

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TAX CASES FOR THE TRUMP 

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ORGANIZATION , THEY WILL HAVE  

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TO PAY FINES. THEY DO NOT JUST  

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LOSE ALL OF THEIR RIGHTS.  NOT  

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ONLY IN NEW YORK AND CHICAGO  

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BUT ANYONE WHO WANTS TO PUNISH  

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THEM. YOU CANNOT JUST  TAKE  

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PEOPLE'S RIGHTS AWAY BECAUSE  

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YOU DON'T LIKE SOMETHING THEY  

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DID SOMEWHERE ELSE  THAT THEY  

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ARE BEING PUNISHED FOR BY  

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SOMEONE ELSE, IT DOES NOT WORK  

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THAT WAY.   

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>> IT'S SAY YOU DO PASS AN  

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ORDINANCE, AREN'T YOU OPENING  

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THE CITY UP  FOR LAWSUITS BY  

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SOMEONE WHO IS KNOWN TO BE VERY 

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LITIGIOUS?  

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>> THAT IS WHY WE ARE TAKING A  

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LOOK AT THIS, WHERE WE HAVE  

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ATTORNEYS REVIEWING IT TO SEE 

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IF THERE IS A PATH FORWARD. WE  

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ARE LOOKING AT  THE  

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CONSTITUTION, MAKING SURE WE  

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ARE DOING THINGS CORRECTLY.   

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RIGHT NOW  THERE ARE ATTORNEYS  

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REVIEWING IT.  YOU ARE RIGHT,  

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WE DO NOT WANT TO PUT OURSELVES 

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IN A POSITION, GIVEN THE  

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HISTORY OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT 

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AND HOW LITIGIOUS HE IS.    

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>> JACOB HUBERT, DO YOU SEE ANY 

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LEGAL PATHWAY HERE THAT THE  

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CITY CAN GO DOWN  TO FORCE  

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THIS, OR SHOULD THEY GO TO THE  

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NEGOTIATING TABLE THEN  WITH  

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THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND 

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FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THERE? 

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>>  THEY SHOULD NOT TELL THE  

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CITY TO STOP  SAYING WHAT THEY  

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WANT TO SAY BUT THEY SHOULD  

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LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE TO PUT UP  

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THE SIGNS THEY WANT TO PUT UP.  

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 WE COULD TRY SOMETHING AND  

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THEY COULD TAKE IT TO COURT AND 

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SEE WHAT HAPPENS, BUT THEY  

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SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET AWAY  

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WITH IT, BECAUSE IT IS PRETTY  

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BASIC THAT YOU CANNOT TARGET A  

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SIGN IS YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT IT  

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SAYS.  IT DOES NOT MATTER ALSO  

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THAT DONALD TRUMP SAID STUPID  

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THINGS ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION 

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RECENTLY.   LOOK, YOU DON'T  

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WAIVE YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL  

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RIGHTS BECAUSE YOU SAY  

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SOMETHING LIKE THAT.  YOU STILL 

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HAVE THEM, NO MATTER WHO YOU  

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ARE.  

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>> WE SHOULD NOTE THAT UNDER  

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CURRENT CITY RULES, THAT TRUMP  

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SIGN IS TOO BIG BUT THAT  

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ORDINANCE WAS PASSED  AFTER  

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TRUMP PUT HIS SIGN UP THERE.    

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HE IS KIND OF GRANDFATHERED IN  

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THERE. WHAT ABOUT HAVING THE  

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CITY NEGOTIATE WITH  THE TRUMP  

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ORGANIZATION LIKE THE EDITORIAL 

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SUGGESTED? GO TO THE TABLE IN  

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THE SAY, TAKE THIS THING DOWN?  

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>> THAT COULD BE AN OPTION AS 

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WELL.  WE HAVE ALL THE 

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ATTORNEYS TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT 

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WOULD BE THE BEST PATH FORWARD  

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TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING  

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EVERYTHING LEGAL AND WE ARE IN  

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A POSITION WHERE WE WILL NOT  

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COST TAXPAYERS MONEY.   

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>> GIVEN THAT THEY MADE THE  

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ARGUMENT THAT YOU KNOW, GIVEN  

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THE CONVICTION ON TAX FRAUD AND 

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RECENT STATEMENTS ABOUT THE  

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CONSTITUTION, IT DOES CHANGE  

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THE EQUATION .  I WANT TO GO  

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BACK TO YOU ON THIS.  HOW DOES  

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IT CHANGE?   

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>>  LIKE THEY SAID BEFORE, WHEN 

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THEY DEFENDED  WHAT ABOUT  

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PROPERTY RIGHTS?  THAT IS JUST  

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NOT HOW IT WORKS.  THE  

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GOVERNMENT HAS  THEIR RIGHTS  

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AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE DUE 

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PROCESS.   WHATEVER DUE PROCESS 

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TRUMP IS GETTING IS COMING FROM 

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THE CASES AND THOSE CASES  WILL 

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IMPOSE SPECIFIC CONSEQUENCES.   

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IT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS  OPEN  

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SEASON ON TRUMP'S RIGHTS 

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EVERYWHERE.  THAT IS NOT HOW  

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THIS WORKS.    

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>> YOU MENTIONED THE ORDINANCE  

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THAT WAS INTRODUCED A YEAR AGO  

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.  WHEN DO YOU EXPECT A NEW  

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ORDINANCE TO BE INTRODUCED, AND 

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HOW MIGHT IT BE DIFFERENT? YOU  

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SAY ATTORNEYS ARE REVIEWING ALL 

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OF THIS BUT WHAT MIGHT BE  

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DIFFERENT?  

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>> AGAIN, WE ARE WORKING  

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CLOSELY WITH  ALDERMAN RILEY  

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AND WE ARE LOOKING AT THE  

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LEGISLATIVE REFERENCE FIELD TO  

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MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE  THOROUGH 

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AND WE  DON'T WANT TO EXPAND 

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YET  DUE TO THE FACT THEY ARE 

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STILL DOING RESEARCH.  I CAN  

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TELL YOU THAT WE ARE TALKING 

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ABOUT THE PRESIDENT  AND OUR  

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GUEST HERE  YOU KNOW, HE IS  

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DOWNPLAYING THE COMMENTS ABOUT 

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LIMITING  THE CONSTITUTION AND  

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REINSTATING HIMSELF.  THOSE ARE 

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TROUBLING.  YOU HAVE SOMEONE  

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THAT IS NOTORIOUS, THAT IS   

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SAYING CRAZY THINGS.  BUT HE  

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HAS MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THAT  

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FOLLOW HIM.  IT IS DANGEROUS.  

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WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE  

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ARE TAKING THESE THINGS 

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SERIOUSLY.  YOU SAW WHAT  

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HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6 AND NOW  

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PEOPLE SHOULD BE CONCERNED