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MAJOR RULINGS FROM THE U.S.

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SUPREME COURT AS IT RAMPS UP

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SESSION.

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>>  PROTESTERS

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AT ABORTION

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PUBLIC PROPERTY

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AND PRESIDENT

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OBAMA OVERSTEPPED HIS EXECUTIVE

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POWERS

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APPOINTMENTS.

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THOSE WERE HEADED DOWN BY THE

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NEWS THE END OF ITS TERM.

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THAT LEAVES TWO

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CLOSELY WATCHED

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CASE IS YET TO COME

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ON MONDAY.

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JOINING US TO SHARE THEIR

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THOUGHTS

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ARE HAROLD KRENT, DEAN

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AND PROFESSOR OF LAW

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KENT

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COLLEGE OF LAW, JOCELYN FLOYD,

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SPECIAL COUNSEL AT THE

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INTEREST LAW FIRM

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MORE SOCIETY AND STEVE SCHWINN

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THE COFOUNDER AND CO-EDITOR OF

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THE CONSTITUTIONAL

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LAW.

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WELCOME TO CHICAGO TONIGHT.

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WE HAVE QUITE A CASELOAD IN

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FRONT OF US.

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AND JOCELYN FLOYD, GOING TO

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BEGIN

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WITH YOU BECAUSE THE

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THOMAS MORE SOCIETY

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FILED AN

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ABORTION

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LAW THAT PROHIBITED ANYONE FROM

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STANDING OR STAYING

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FEET OF THE

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OCCURRENCE OF ANY ABORTION

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CLINIC.

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THEY DECIDED THIS WAS OVERBROAD

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REACH THE

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AIM THE MASSACHUSETTS WAS

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TRYING TO DO

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WITH THE LAW IN

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THE FIRST PLACE.

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>>  YOUR BRIEF

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REFLECTED WITH

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THE COURT DECIDED?

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>>  IS THIS A VICTORY

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OF FREE

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SPEECH FOR ANTIABORTION

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PROTESTERS ARE BOTH?

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THE CASE STILL STRONGLY

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THE CONCEPT OF TRADITIONAL

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PUBLIC FORUM THAT WE HAVE HELD

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THAT STREETS AND SIDEWALKS OF

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THE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO SPEAK.

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THIS IS THE PUBLIC SQUARE WHERE

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PEOPLE CAN EXPRESS

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WHAT MASSACHUSETTS HAD DONE

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CLOSED AN ENTIRE SECTION

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THIS TRADITIONAL FORM FOR

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ESSENTIALLY TO ANY

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SPEECH

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IT WAS TOO SPECIFIC

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SPEECHES

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ON SPECIFIC ISSUES.

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AND SAY THIS LAW

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VIEWPOINTS.

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>>  I THINK I AGREE WITH THE

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DECISION.

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IT'S A MUTUAL LAW

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AND IS SPACE.

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WHICH IS WHY THE COURT

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IN THE LAST WEEK

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TERM THREE IMPORTANT DECISIONS

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90 EVEN THOUGH

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HE POINTED OUT

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THERE WERE

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STEVE SCHWINN, GIVE US YOUR

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THOUGHTS ON THIS.

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SOME SAY THIS WILL HAVE FATHER

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RANGING IMPLICATIONS THAN

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WANT TO CLASSIFY THEMSELVES

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YOU WILL, TO PROTESTERS

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THINGS AS THE NATO SUMMIT WE

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HAD IN CHICAGO AND AT OTHER

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PUBLIC FORUMS.

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>>  I THINK IT IS A STATEMENT

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FREE SPEECH.

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FIRST OFF, THERE IS AN OPINION

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OUT OF COLORADO

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THAT PRESERVED

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AROUND PEOPLE

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TRYING TO COME INTO AND OUT OF

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A CLINIC.

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THE COURT DID NOT OVERTURN

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THAT

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DECISION.

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THE SECOND THING, THE COURT

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THIS IS AN OPINION WRITTEN BY

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CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS THE

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COURT GAVE A ROADMAP FOR STATE

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THAT WANT TO PRESERVE THE

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RIGHTS OF PEOPLE GOING IN AND

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OUT OF THE CLINIC TO GET AN

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ABORTION

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>>  WHAT SHE'S

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JUSTICE ROBERT

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ILLEGAL TO OBSTRUCT SOMEBODY

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CAN DO THAT IN CERTAIN WAYS.

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DO THESE BUBBLE

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ZONES.

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THINK ABOUT THAT, IS THAT AN

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IMPEDIMENT OR A LOOPHOLE

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THIS RULING?

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DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OBSTRUCTING

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THE ENTRANCE AND NOT BEING

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ALLOWED TO APPROACH SOMEONE

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THAT IS WHAT THE COURT SAID IN

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ITS OPINION

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OF THE EFFECT OF A

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BUBBLE ZONE.

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THE BUBBLE ZONE

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YOU CAN'T GET

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CLOSER TO 18 FEET,

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AS THEY

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APPROACHED THE ENTRANCE.

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I THINK THE IMPACT OF THE FREE

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SPEECH ON FREE SPEECH

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THE

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SIDEWALK COUNSELORS ARE TRYING

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TO HAVE ONE-ON-ONE

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ILOG AND

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THAT IS SOMETHING MOST

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EFFECTIVE

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AT A CLOSE RANGE.

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ARE TRYING TO DISCUSS THINGS

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WITH PEOPLE, NOT STOP THEM OR

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BLOCK THEM, BUT PERHAPS OPEN

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THEIR EYES

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TO ALTERNATIVE

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OPTIONS THEY MIGHT NOT BE AWARE

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WHEN THEY'RE FORCED TO DO IT

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FROM A DISTANCE

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THEY ARE FORCED

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TO YELL AND IT BRINGS THE

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ELEMENT OF INTIMIDATION AND

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HARASSMENT

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IF THE STATE WANTS

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TO AVOID.

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THEY SIMPLY

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ELIMINATE

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INTIMIDATION AND HARASSMENT

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THAT ALLOW FREE SPEECH THAT IS

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TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE POLICY

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>>  HOW DOES ONE

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LEGISLATING THAT?

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>>  THE BUBBLE ZONE

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ID IS FINE

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BUT YOU CAN ALSO SAY ANYBODY

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WHO HARASSES OR LIMIT

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FREE FLOW OF TRAFFIC

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INTO

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THE CLINIC.

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THERE ARE MODELS

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COURT SEEMED TO EMBRACE.

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LET'S GET TO THIS DECISION

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WHICH WAS UNANIMOUS

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INVOLVING

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THE OBAMA APPOINTMENTS DURING

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RECESSES OF THE SENATE.

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AGAIN, THEY SAID HE DID NOT

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ALLOW ENOUGH TIME

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FOR CONGRESS

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TO GO INTO RECESS

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HE FOR MAKING

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THESE APPOINTMENTS.

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WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE

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PRESIDENT WANTS TO APPOINT

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SOMEONE TO A VACANCY IN OFFICE

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IN THE SENATE IS NOT IN

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SESSION?

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THE FOUNDERS OF THE

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CONSTITUTION SAID THERE IS A

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LIMITED POWER

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TO MAKE A RECESS

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APPOINTMENT.

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BUT WHAT DOES RECESS MEAN?

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DOES IT MEAN

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IN THE MIDDLE OF

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THE SESSION?

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IN ONE PART OF THE RULING

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RECENTLY THE COURT HELD A

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RECESS

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COULD BE ANYTHING AS

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LONG

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AS IT IS BETWEEN SESSIONS

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ARE IN BETWEEN SESSIONS THE

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PRESIDENT HAS THE POWER TO MAKE

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AN APPOINTMENT

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IN THOSE

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RECESSES.

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THE SECOND THING THE COURT SAID

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THE VACANCY CAN BE BEFORE OR

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DURING THE RECESS THE PRESIDENT

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HAVE TO HAVE THESE APPOINTMENTS

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MADE.

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UP TO HERE,

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SOUNDS LIKE A BIG

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VICTORY FOR THE EXECUTIVE

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BRANCH.

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BUT

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IT IS UP TO THE SENATE A

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LARGELY TO DECIDE

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WHAT IS A

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RECESS.

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THERE, THE QUESTION

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IF THE

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SENATE WANTS TO HAVE

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A KIND OF

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FAKE,

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FALSE PROFORMA

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RECESS

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OR

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SOMEBODY HITS A GAVEL

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AND NO

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ONE IS THERE, THAT IS OKAY,

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BECAUSE

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THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO

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DO BUSINESS

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THEY ARE THEREFORE

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INVALIDATED

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THE PRESIDENT'S

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RECENT

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STATE OF RECESS

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APPOINTMENTS.

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IT'S A SPLIT THE BABY

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APPROACH

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REFLECTS THE REALITY OF THE

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COURT WANTS TO DO IS UNRAVEL

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THE ISSUE OF HAVING THE SENATE

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AND PRESIDENT WORK TOGETHER

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.

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>>  STEVE SCHWINN IS A MAJOR

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CURTAILING OF PRESIDENTIAL

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POWER?

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>>

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I DON'T THINK SO.

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THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD

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IS

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THE SENATE CHANGE THE

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FILIBUSTER FOR THE END OF LAST

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YEAR

329
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.

330
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>>  THIS WAS DEMOCRATS THAT LED

331
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THE CHANGE?

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>>  THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

333
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THE CHANGE TODAY WE SEE IS

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GOING TO HAVE AN EFFECT IF

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REPUBLICANS CONTROL THE SENATE

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AND IF THEY DECIDE

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TO HAVE PRO

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FORMA SESSIONS

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IN A WAY THAT

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FRUSTRATES PRESIDENT OBAMA IS

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ABILITY TO MAKE APPOINTMENTS IN

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A RECESS

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BUT THE FILIBUSTER IS

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A MECHANISM THE MINORITY HAS

345
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BEEN USING TO FRUSTRATE

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THE

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PRESIDENT'S ABILITY

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TO MAKE

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APPOINTMENTS

350
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ANYWAY AND THAT

351
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HAS FORCED HIS HAND TO USE

352
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THE

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RECESS APPOINTMENT IN THE FIRST

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PLACE.

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WITH THE CHANGE IN THE

356
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FILIBUSTER RULE IT 10 PERCENT A

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LITTLE BIT .

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>>  HAROLD KRENT,

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IS THIS PART

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OF THE OBSTRUCTIONISM THAT HAS

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BEEN LEVELED AGAINST THE

362
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REPUBLICANS AND IS THE SUPREME

363
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COURT SIDED WITH THEM

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EVEN

365
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THOUGH THIS IS UNANIMOUS,

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ESPECIALLY THE MORE

367
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CONSERVATIVE

368
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JUDGES, THAT

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IMPEDE HIM

370
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GETTING THINGS DONE?

371
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>>  I DON'T THINK SO

372
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HE CAN SET

373
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THINK BOTH SIDES

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RECESS

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APPOINTMENTS.

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WHAT IS INTERESTING ,

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AND THE

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JUSTICE SCALIA DOES CONCUR IS

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IN THIS CASE, HE HAS BEEN NO

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TO

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BE IN THE EXECUTIVE

382
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POWER CAMP

383
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SO THIS IS A DISTANCING AWAY SO

384
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THERE IS A NOTION OF A SHIFT A

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LITTLE BIT

386
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IN THE TERMS OF THE

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FLOOR CONCURRENCE.

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>>  I'M GOING ASK YOU TO GIVE

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ME

390
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A BRIEF SUMMARY OF RILEY

391
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VERSUS THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA

392
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THAT SAID THE GOVERNMENT IS A

393
00:09:02,509 --> 00:09:05,913
WANT

394
00:09:05,913 --> 00:09:06,513
FOR SEARCHING YOUR CELL

395
00:09:06,513 --> 00:09:06,813
PHONE.

396
00:09:06,813 --> 00:09:08,415
>>  POLICE ARREST SOMEBODY

397
00:09:08,415 --> 00:09:08,715
THEY

398
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CAN DO A SEARCH INCIDENT TO

399
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ARREST WITHOUT GETTING

400
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A

401
00:09:12,252 --> 00:09:12,586
WARRANT.

402
00:09:12,586 --> 00:09:13,253
WHAT THE SUPREME COURT WILL

403
00:09:13,253 --> 00:09:15,756
DONE IS CAN THEY

404
00:09:15,756 --> 00:09:16,190
DO SOMETHING

405
00:09:16,190 --> 00:09:17,491
LIKE CELL PHONE, ONE IS A SMART

406
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PHONE CONTAINS

407
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VAST AMOUNTS

408
00:09:19,793 --> 00:09:20,060
OF

409
00:09:20,060 --> 00:09:24,831
INFORMATION

410
00:09:24,831 --> 00:09:25,299
THE OTHER IS AN

411
00:09:25,299 --> 00:09:25,866
OLD-STYLE FLIP PHONE.

412
00:09:25,866 --> 00:09:29,336
WITH THE COURT DIDN'T DO

413
00:09:29,336 --> 00:09:29,603
IS

414
00:09:29,603 --> 00:09:30,270
DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE TWO.

415
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IT SAYS THESE FONTS CONTAIN

416
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SO

417
00:09:32,372 --> 00:09:33,073
MUCH PRIVATE INFORMATION THAT

418
00:09:33,073 --> 00:09:36,877
FOR THE POLICE TO GO INTO THEM

419
00:09:36,877 --> 00:09:37,578
IN A REGULAR ARREST IS A HUGE

420
00:09:37,578 --> 00:09:39,980
INVASION OF PRIVACY

421
00:09:39,980 --> 00:09:40,347
AND THERE

422
00:09:40,347 --> 00:09:41,048
IS NO GOOD REASON TO DO THAT

423
00:09:41,048 --> 00:09:42,883
BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT

424
00:09:42,883 --> 00:09:43,183
COULD

425
00:09:43,183 --> 00:09:43,617
GET A WARRANT.

426
00:09:43,617 --> 00:09:44,451
>>  THAT IS MY QUESTION, IS IT

427
00:09:44,451 --> 00:09:48,322
THAT BIG OF A DEAL

428
00:09:48,322 --> 00:09:48,655
BECAUSE

429
00:09:48,655 --> 00:09:49,389
GETTING A WARRANT FOR THE PLACE

430
00:09:49,389 --> 00:09:49,890
IS NOT A BIG DEAL?

431
00:09:49,890 --> 00:09:51,258
>>  I THINK WHAT POLICE WILL DO

432
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IS DROP IT

433
00:09:52,459 --> 00:09:53,861
IN A FAIR DAY BAG

434
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,

435
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GO GET A WARRANT AND EVERYTHING

436
00:09:58,799 --> 00:09:59,233
WILL BE FINE.

437
00:09:59,233 --> 00:10:01,401
>>

438
00:10:01,401 --> 00:10:02,069
DOES THIS APPLY TO THE NSA?

439
00:10:02,069 --> 00:10:03,804
>>

440
00:10:03,804 --> 00:10:04,471
I THINK IT IS TRUE IT WILL

441
00:10:04,471 --> 00:10:07,040
NOT IMPEDE

442
00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:07,374
POLICE

443
00:10:07,374 --> 00:10:07,808
INVESTIGATION.

444
00:10:07,808 --> 00:10:08,475
IT TAKES DOCTRINE THAT WERE

445
00:10:08,475 --> 00:10:11,044
USED

446
00:10:11,044 --> 00:10:11,645
IN TERMS OF INCIDENT OF

447
00:10:11,645 --> 00:10:12,412
ARREST AND IT SAYS IT DOESN'T

448
00:10:12,412 --> 00:10:17,551
APPLY

449
00:10:17,551 --> 00:10:18,151
INTO THE DIGITAL WORLD.

450
00:10:18,151 --> 00:10:18,886
WE ARE NO LONGER GOING TO APPLY

451
00:10:18,886 --> 00:10:19,553
OUR DOCTRINE EVEN KNOW THE

452
00:10:19,553 --> 00:10:20,320
PERSON IN THE BOOK AND

453
00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,090
BRIEFCASE SHOULD BE TREATED

454
00:10:23,090 --> 00:10:24,691
JUST LIKE A SMART PHONE.

455
00:10:24,691 --> 00:10:25,425
WHAT THE COURT IS NOW

456
00:10:25,425 --> 00:10:26,860
RECOGNIZING

457
00:10:26,860 --> 00:10:27,294
THAT MAYBE WE

458
00:10:27,294 --> 00:10:29,329
SHOULD APPROACH DIGITAL DATA

459
00:10:29,329 --> 00:10:30,230
WEATHER FROM AN ESSAY

460
00:10:30,230 --> 00:10:31,832
OR POLICE

461
00:10:31,832 --> 00:10:34,301
OR HELD BY AN SEARCH

462
00:10:34,301 --> 00:10:34,668
PROVIDER

463
00:10:34,668 --> 00:10:36,403
OR IN A CLOUD

464
00:10:36,403 --> 00:10:36,770
A LITTLE

465
00:10:36,770 --> 00:10:37,905
DIFFERENTLY AND PERHAPS GIVE MY

466
00:10:37,905 --> 00:10:39,907
SCRIPT AND HE CHOOSE SEARCHES

467
00:10:39,907 --> 00:10:40,140
.

468
00:10:40,140 --> 00:10:42,643
>>  DOES IT APPLY

469
00:10:42,643 --> 00:10:43,043
TO THE NSA?

470
00:10:43,043 --> 00:10:44,611
>>

471
00:10:44,611 --> 00:10:46,079
IT COULD.

472
00:10:46,079 --> 00:10:49,416
THIS WAS ONLY

473
00:10:49,416 --> 00:10:49,883
ABOUT POLICE IN

474
00:10:49,883 --> 00:10:50,617
AREAS WHERE THERE IS NO WARRANT

475
00:10:50,617 --> 00:10:51,218
REQUIRED.

476
00:10:51,218 --> 00:10:52,019
NSA

477
00:10:52,019 --> 00:10:53,754
USUALLY DOESN'T

478
00:10:53,754 --> 00:10:54,121
EVEN WANT

479
00:10:54,121 --> 00:10:55,322
TO GET INFORMATION

480
00:10:55,322 --> 00:10:55,689
ON THIRD

481
00:10:55,689 --> 00:10:56,023
PARTIES.

482
00:10:56,023 --> 00:10:57,925
>>

483
00:10:57,925 --> 00:10:58,158
.

484
00:10:58,158 --> 00:11:02,696
>>

485
00:11:02,696 --> 00:11:03,363
LET'S LOOK AHEAD TO MONDAY

486
00:11:03,363 --> 00:11:03,997
THE LAST DAY OF THE TERM.

487
00:11:03,997 --> 00:11:04,731
WE'RE CERTAIN THAT IS WHEN THEY

488
00:11:04,731 --> 00:11:05,966
ARE GOING

489
00:11:05,966 --> 00:11:06,500
TO GO ON THE HOBBY

490
00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:08,035
LOBBY

491
00:11:08,035 --> 00:11:14,341
CASES.

492
00:11:14,341 --> 00:11:14,975
>>  THESE ARE CASES WITH

493
00:11:14,975 --> 00:11:15,676
REFERENCE TO THE HHS MANDATE

494
00:11:15,676 --> 00:11:17,077
REQUIRING EMPLOYERS TO PROVIDE

495
00:11:17,077 --> 00:11:18,979
CERTAIN CONTRACEPTIVE

496
00:11:18,979 --> 00:11:19,346
COVERAGE

497
00:11:19,346 --> 00:11:22,716
IN THEIR INSURANCE PLANS

498
00:11:22,716 --> 00:11:22,983
FOR

499
00:11:22,983 --> 00:11:23,450
THEIR EMPLOYEES.

500
00:11:23,450 --> 00:11:24,284
WITH TWO SPECIFIC COMPANIES

501
00:11:24,284 --> 00:11:26,453
THAT CLOSELY HELD,

502
00:11:26,453 --> 00:11:26,887
FAMILY OWNED

503
00:11:26,887 --> 00:11:30,891
AND THAT HAVE RELIGIOUS

504
00:11:30,891 --> 00:11:31,558
OBJECTIONS TO SOME OF THESE

505
00:11:31,558 --> 00:11:32,025
CONTRACEPTIVES.

506
00:11:32,025 --> 00:11:32,960
>>  THE THOMAS MORE SOCIETY

507
00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,429
FILED AN AMICUS BRIEF

508
00:11:35,429 --> 00:11:35,696
IN

509
00:11:35,696 --> 00:11:36,196
SUPPORT, CORRECT?

510
00:11:36,196 --> 00:11:36,663
>>  YES.

511
00:11:36,663 --> 00:11:38,131
>>

512
00:11:38,131 --> 00:11:42,769
WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE

513
00:11:42,769 --> 00:11:43,036
THE

514
00:11:43,036 --> 00:11:43,637
DECISION IS GOING TO BE?

515
00:11:43,637 --> 00:11:44,338
>>  I DO NOT LIKE TO PREDICT

516
00:11:44,338 --> 00:11:45,439
FUTURE, BUT WE HOPE THEY WILL

517
00:11:45,439 --> 00:11:50,944
COME OUT

518
00:11:50,944 --> 00:11:51,512
IN FAVOR OF RELIGIOUS

519
00:11:51,512 --> 00:11:51,845
FREEDOM.

520
00:11:51,845 --> 00:11:52,446
THESE ARE CLOSELY HELD

521
00:11:52,446 --> 00:11:53,113
CORPORATIONS, FAMILY OWNED

522
00:11:53,113 --> 00:11:54,548
BUSINESSES,

523
00:11:54,548 --> 00:11:55,082
AND THESE FAMILIES

524
00:11:55,082 --> 00:11:57,417
HAVE

525
00:11:57,417 --> 00:11:58,018
DEEPLY HELD CONVICTIONS

526
00:11:58,018 --> 00:11:59,353
AND WANT TO PROVIDE INSURANCE ,

527
00:11:59,353 --> 00:12:03,056
GENEROUS BENEFITS

528
00:12:03,056 --> 00:12:03,490
BUT THEY ARE

529
00:12:03,490 --> 00:12:04,124
BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD

530
00:12:04,124 --> 00:12:05,526
PLACE.

531
00:12:05,526 --> 00:12:06,159
SO THEY HAVE TO DROP ALL

532
00:12:06,159 --> 00:12:08,262
INSURANCE COVERAGE COMPLETELY

533
00:12:08,262 --> 00:12:12,299
PAY A FINE

534
00:12:12,299 --> 00:12:12,533
.

535
00:12:12,533 --> 00:12:13,166
>>  STEVE SCHWINN, YOU'RE

536
00:12:13,166 --> 00:12:13,667
SHAKING YOUR HEAD.

537
00:12:13,667 --> 00:12:14,935
>>  IT'S NOT AN EMPLOYER

538
00:12:14,935 --> 00:12:17,437
MANDATE IT'S AN EMPLOYEE

539
00:12:17,437 --> 00:12:17,771
ON THE

540
00:12:17,771 --> 00:12:20,007
INSURANCE CARRIER.

541
00:12:20,007 --> 00:12:20,741
FOR AN ORGANIZATION LIKE HOBBY

542
00:12:20,741 --> 00:12:23,010
LOBBY

543
00:12:23,010 --> 00:12:23,544
THE ANSWER IS QUITE

544
00:12:23,544 --> 00:12:24,444
SIMPLE IF THEY DON'T WANT TO

545
00:12:24,444 --> 00:12:28,282
PROVIDE THIS

546
00:12:28,282 --> 00:12:28,782
THEY CAN DROP THE

547
00:12:28,782 --> 00:12:29,483
INSURANCE FROM THEIR EMPLOYEE

548
00:12:29,483 --> 00:12:30,117
PLAN AND SIMPLY RAISE THE

549
00:12:30,117 --> 00:12:34,755
SALARY ,

550
00:12:34,755 --> 00:12:35,289
ALL INDICATIONS ARE

551
00:12:35,289 --> 00:12:36,023
THAT SOLUTION MIGHT BE CHEAPER

552
00:12:36,023 --> 00:12:38,058
THAN PROVIDING

553
00:12:38,058 --> 00:12:38,492
THE INSURANCE.

554
00:12:38,492 --> 00:12:39,126
>>  HOW DO YOU THINK THE

555
00:12:39,126 --> 00:12:40,093
JUSTICES

556
00:12:40,093 --> 00:12:40,460
WILL RULE?

557
00:12:40,460 --> 00:12:41,862
>>  I THINK

558
00:12:41,862 --> 00:12:42,329
IT WILL BE VERY

559
00:12:42,329 --> 00:12:43,530
CLOSE

560
00:12:43,530 --> 00:12:43,764
.

561
00:12:43,764 --> 00:12:48,535
>>  HAROLD KRENT,

562
00:12:48,535 --> 00:12:48,936
DO YOU WANT

563
00:12:48,936 --> 00:12:49,336
TO CHIME IN?

564
00:12:49,336 --> 00:12:50,003
>>  I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE

565
00:12:50,003 --> 00:12:50,671
NOTION, THAT HAVE SOULS,

566
00:12:50,671 --> 00:12:52,539
SPIRITS

567
00:12:52,539 --> 00:12:52,973
AND RELIGION.

568
00:12:52,973 --> 00:12:54,308
>>  IF THEY

569
00:12:54,308 --> 00:12:57,611
IF A CORPORATION

570
00:12:57,611 --> 00:12:58,312
AND HAVE A MINORITY RACE WHY

571
00:12:58,312 --> 00:12:59,146
CAN'T IT HAVE A RELIGION?

572
00:12:59,146 --> 00:13:01,148
>>

573
00:13:01,148 --> 00:13:01,682
WHO CONSTITUTES THE

574
00:13:01,682 --> 00:13:07,855
COMPANY?

575
00:13:07,855 --> 00:13:08,522
>>  WHEN YOU HAVE WE'RE NOT

576
00:13:08,522 --> 00:13:10,490
TALKING ABOUT FACEBOOK CORP.

577
00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:12,459
ON THE STOCK EXCHANGE.

578
00:13:12,459 --> 00:13:13,126
WHEN YOU ENTER THE BUSINESS

579
00:13:13,126 --> 00:13:14,695
PLACE

580
00:13:14,695 --> 00:13:15,295
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE

581
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UP YOUR IDENTITY

582
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OR RELIGION.

583
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>>  THE OWNERS OF THE

584
00:13:19,499 --> 00:13:20,234
CORPORATION ARE ACTING IN A WAY

585
00:13:20,234 --> 00:13:22,436
THAT WORKS

586
00:13:22,436 --> 00:13:22,970
TO THE DETRIMENT OF

587
00:13:22,970 --> 00:13:27,608
THEIR VERY EMPLOYEES SIMPLY

588
00:13:27,608 --> 00:13:27,875
TO

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PRESERVE THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT.

590
00:13:28,575 --> 00:13:29,142
>>  NO, THEY ARE NOT.

591
00:13:29,142 --> 00:13:31,178
THEY ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE

592
00:13:31,178 --> 00:13:31,879
INSURANCE TO THEIR EMPLOYEES

593
00:13:31,879 --> 00:13:33,981
AND GENEROUS BENEFITS

594
00:13:33,981 --> 00:13:34,314
IF THEY

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00:13:34,314 --> 00:13:34,915
ARE FORCED TO DROP THE

596
00:13:34,915 --> 00:13:36,083
INSURANCE

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00:13:36,083 --> 00:13:36,650
AND SIMPLY RAISE THE

598
00:13:36,650 --> 00:13:42,256
SALARIES,

599
00:13:42,256 --> 00:13:42,756
IT HURTS THEM IN

600
00:13:42,756 --> 00:13:43,457
GETTING GOOD EMPLOYEES AND IT

601
00:13:43,457 --> 00:13:44,157
HURTS THEM IN PROTECTING THEM.

602
00:13:44,157 --> 00:13:45,325
>>  WE HAVE TO END IT HERE.

603
00:13:45,325 --> 00:13:47,127
WE GOT TO THE LIVELIEST

604
00:13:47,127 --> 00:13:47,461
PART OF

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00:13:47,461 --> 00:13:48,896
THE DISCUSSION AND MAYBE WHEN A

606
00:13:48,896 --> 00:13:52,896
DECISION COMES DOWN