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COMPLICATED PICTURE OF A DARK

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TIME.

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A NEW TRUMP ADMINISTRATION RULE

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CHANGE COULD LEAVE HUNDREDS OF

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THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WITHOUT FOOD

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STAMP BENEFITS.

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THE DEPARTMENT AGRICULTURE SAYS

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THEY WILL TIGHT ESPECIALLY WORK

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REQUIREMENTS FOR SOME RECIPIENTS

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OF THE SNAP PROGRAM.

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THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SAYS

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THE CHANGE WILL SAVE THE FEDERAL

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GOVERNMENT BILLIONS BUT

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ACTIVISTS AND POLITICIANS CALLED

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THIS DECISION CRUEL AND UNFAIR.

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HERE TO WEIGH-IN ARE NOLAN

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DOWNEY A STAFF ATTORNEY ON

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POVERTY LAW OPPOSING THE NEW

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REQUIREMENTS AND TED DABROWSKI

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PRESIDENT OF THE WIREPOINTS

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WEBSITE WHO IS SUPPORTIVE OF

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THIS RULE CHANGE.

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WELCOME BOTH OF YOU TO "CHICAGO

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TONIGHT."

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NOLAN DOWNEY FIRST, A PRIMER.

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WHO IS ELIGIBLE RIGHT NOW FOR

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FOOD STAMPS AND WHAT ARE THE

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BENEFITS THAT THEY GET?

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>> WELL, PARIS, TO BE ELIGIBLE

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FOR FOOD STAMPS YOU HAVE TO MEET

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INCOME REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT NOW

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IN THE STATE OF ILLINOIS FOR

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HOUSEHOLDS THAT DO NOT HAVE A

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QUALIFYING MEMBER SOMEBODY OVER

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60 OR SOME THAT IS STRUGGLING

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WITH A DISABILITY THEY HAVE TO

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BE 165% OF THE POVERTY LINE FOR

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HOUSEHOLDS THAT DO HAVE THE

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QUALIFYING MEMBERS THEY HAVE TO

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BE 200 POVERTY OVER THE POVERTY

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THE FOLKS ABLE-BODIED WOULD HAVE

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TO BE BELOW THE 165%.

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IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT

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SNAP BENEFITS THAT PEOPLE GET ON

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AVERAGE ARE ABOUT $127 A MONTH

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BUDGETS BUT IT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR

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THEM TO GET BY ON A DAY-TO-DAY

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>> ABLED BODIED ADULTS WITH NO

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DEPENDENTS WILL BE AFFECTED BY

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THE CHANGE.

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WHAT IS GOING TO CHANGE UNDER

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THIS PROPOSAL?

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>> SO TODAY, ILLINOIS' SIGNED A

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WAIVER FOR 101 COUNTIES OUT OF

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REQUIREMENTS AND IT MEANS

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YUCKER THAN 50.

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ENROLLMENT NUMBERS IN THE

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>> AS I UNDERSTAND THE WAIVER

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APPLIES TO COUNTIES THAT HAVE

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N THOSE COUNTY, THE WORK

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WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NOW, IS

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IF UNEMPLOYMENT IS ABOVE 6%,

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THEN THEY CAN GET THE WAIVER.

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THAT SHRINKS THE AMOUNT OF

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PEOPLE THAT CAN GET THE WAIVER.

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NOLAN DOWNEY WHY DO YOU THINK

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THIS IS A BAD IDEA?

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>> IT'S IMPORTANT THAT FOLKS

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TALKING ABOUT THIS GROUP, PEOPLE

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THAT ARE BETWEEN 18-49 ON SNAP

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HAVE SIGNIFICANT BARRIERS TO

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EMPLOYMENT.

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MANY OF THEM SUFFER FROM

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PHYSICAL OR MENTAL LIMITATIONS

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THAT RESTRICT THEIR ABILITY TO

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GET THAT GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT.

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MANY ARE UNSTABLELY HOUSED.

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POPULATION OF FOLKS EXPERIENCING

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HOMELESSNESS.

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THEY HAVE DIFFICULTY ACCESSING

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RELIABLE TRANSPORTATION AND

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TECHNOLOGY AND THE OTHER

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IMPORTANT THING IS FOR THESE

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FOLKS THEY ARE DEALING WITH

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INCREDIBLY FEW RESOURCES.

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COUPLE,000 A YEAR AND SNAP IS

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THE ONLY BENEFIT THAT HELPS THEM

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>> TED DABROWSKI WHAT ABOUT

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THAT?

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IT SEEMS LIKE THE RULE CHANGE

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MIGHT BE PUNISHING THOSE BECAUSE

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THEY ARE NOT WORKING AND PERHAPS

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THEY CAN'T FIND A JOB?

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>> WE SHOULD TAKE CARE OF THOSE

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PEOPLE WHO HAVE A LOT OF THOSE

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NEEDS.

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BUT I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO

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UNDERSTAND IS THAT IN A PLACE

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LIKE ILLINOIS WE HAVE FAILED OF

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GETTING PEOPLE BACK TO WORK.

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WE HAVE THE 7TH HIGHEST

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ENROLLMENT IN FOOD STAMPS IN THE

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RECOVERED AND REDUCED THE PEOPLE

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BELOW THE GREAT RECESSION WE ARE

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HIGHER.

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MORE COUNTIES THAT HAVE HIGHER

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UNEMPLOYMENT?

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>> WE'VE HAD A WORSE EMPLOYMENT

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WE'VE DISCUSSED ON THE SHOW.

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BUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND

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HERE IS WHAT IS INTERESTING WE

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NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE

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PEOPLE.

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SO MANY ON FOOD STAMPS FOR SO

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LONG IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET THEM

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AS GOOD AS IT GETS WHEN YOU TALK

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ABOUT THE EMPLOYMENT LEVELS

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NATIONALLY AND IN ILLINOIS.

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OUR UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS LOWER

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THAN IT'S BEEN.

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THIS IS THE MOMENT IF YOU WANT

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TO GIVE THESE PEOPLE GET

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GETTING BACK INTO THE WORKFORCE,

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THIS IS THE MOMENT TO GET THEM

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BACK IN.

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IF WE CAN'T GET THEM WORKING NOW

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THEY WILL BE REGULATED TO FOOD

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STAMPS THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

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IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE TEMPORARY

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AND THE GOAL IS TO GET PEOPLE

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OFF OF IT AND BACK INTO SELF

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SUFFICIENCY?

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>> PARIS, I DON'T THINK THERE IS

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ANY DENYING THAT A JOB IS

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IMPORTANT IN HELPING PEOPLE

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MEANINGFULLY IMPROVE THEIR

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WHAT I'VE NEVER UNDERSTOOD IS

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HOW STARVING PEOPLE IS GOING TO

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HELP THEM GET THERE.

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WHEN YOU TAKE THE BENEFITS AWAY

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FROM FOLKS THAT IS NOT A RECIPE

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FOR SELF SUFFICIENTFY OR

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ECONOMIC STABILITY IT IS A

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RECIPE FOR TAKING FOLKS THAT

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HAVE BARRIERS AND LOW RESOURCES

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TAKING AWAY THE NUTRITIONAL

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SUPPORT IS ONLY GOING TO MAKE

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THE CHALLENGES HARDER.

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>> AND ANOTHER CRITICISM, THE

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TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS GIVEN

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OUT AS MUCH AS $28 BILLION IN

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SUBSIDIES TO FARMERS BECAUSE OF

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THE TRADE WAR WE ARE TALKING

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ABOUT $5 BILLION OVER FIVE YEARS

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TO BE SAVED FROM THESE FOOD

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STAMP SAVINGS IT'S INCONSISTENT

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NATIONALLY AND IN ILLINOIS THIS

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IS THE LOWEST RATES OF

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UNEMPLOYMENT FOR BLACKS,

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IT IS AN AMAZING TIME TO GET A

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JOB AND GET OUT OF THE

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DEPENDENCY ON FOOD STAMPS.

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MANY PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE

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WAIVERS AND THE MESS WE'VE HAD,

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TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE BECOMING

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DEPENDENT AND WE HAVE TO BREAK

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THAT DEPENDENCE.

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THE BEST THING FOR PEOPLE ARE

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JOBS TO FIND MEANING IN THEIR

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LIVES.

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TO BE ON FOOD STAMPS AND NOT

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HAVE THE IMPETUS TO GO OUT TO

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WORK IS THE WRONG THING.

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>> HOW MANY PEOPLE IN ILLINOIS

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IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT?

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>> THIS COULD IMPACT AS MANY AS

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140,000 PEOPLE HERE IN ILLINOIS.

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AND WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT EVERY

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OTHER AREA THAT HAS HAD TO

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IMPLEMENT THIS TIME LIMIT MANY

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OF THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOSE

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BENEFITS.

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IN ILLINOIS THIS IS NOT OUR

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FIRST ENCOUNTER, ONE COUNTY HAD

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TO IMPLEMENT IT IN DUPAGE

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COUNTY.

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AFTER THE THREE MONTHS HALF THE

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PEOPLE IN THIS GROUP THAT WERE

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RECEIVING SNAP LOST THEIR

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BENEFITS.

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>> AND IN COOK COUNTY, ABOUT

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50,000 WILL LOSE THEIR BENEFITS

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UNDER THE CURRENT RULE BECAUSE

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COOK COUNTY'S ECONOMY HAS

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IMPROVED.

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THIS IS DOUBLING THE PROBLEM

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HERE FOR COOK COUNTY RESIDENTS?

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>> I DON'T KNOW.

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I LOOK AT THIS AS A BIG

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OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WITH THE

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ECONOMY SO HOT WITH THE

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UNEMPLOYMENT SO HOT AND THERE'S

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THEY ARE LOOKING FOR 80,000 JOBS

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IN ILLINOIS WE HAVE TO DO A

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BETTER JOB OF MATCHING.

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BUT OUR NEIGHBORING STATES ARE

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DOING FAR BETTER IN GETTING

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PEOPLE OFF OF FOOD STAMPS.

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INDIANA 30% LOWER THAN THE GREAT

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RECESSION WE ARE 17% HIGHER.

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WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR ECONOMY

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AND THE POLICIES WE HAVE THAT

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ARE KEEPING PEOPLE OUT OF JOBS.

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>> WHY ARE THE STATES GOING IN

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DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS?

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>> I MEAN IT'S IMPORTANT

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QUESTION BUT I WANT TO RESPOND

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TO THIS NOTION THAT THE ECONOMY

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IS BOOMING AND THAT THERE ARE

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JUST AN ABUNDANCE OF JOBS

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WAITING TO TRANSPORT PEOPLE OUT

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OF POVERTY.

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THE REALITY IS MANY OF THE JOBS

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ARE LOW PAYING JOBS THEY ARE

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PART-TIME JOBS AND SOME ARE NOT

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GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT FOR

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PEOPLE TO MEET THIS WORK

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REQUIREMENT.

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WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A BOOMING

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ECONOMY YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE

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THE GENERAL UNEMPLOYMENT RATE

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DOES NOT PAINT THE WHOLE

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PICTURE.

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WHAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS

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SAYING HERE IS THAT EVEN IN

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AREAS THAT HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY

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HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT THAN THE

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NATIONAL AVERAGE WE'RE STILL

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GOING TO BE FORCING FOLKS TO

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FIND A JOB THAT IS GOING TO BE

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ABLE TO GET THEM OFF OF FOOD

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STAMPS.

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IT'S NOT REALISTIC.

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>> ANOTHER POSSIBLE CRITICISM

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HERE AGAIN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT

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$5 BILLION TO BE SAVED OVER FIVE

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YEARS.

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WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE AMOUNT OF

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TAXES NOT BEING PAID BY THE

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BIGGEST COMPANIES, IBM, GENERAL

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MOTORS, AMAZON DOESN'T THAT

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ACCOUNT FOR SO MUCH MORE MONEY

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THAN WHAT IS BEING SAVED HERE?

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>> WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO

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MIX THE THINGS.

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THERE ARE POLICIES WE SHOULD

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CHANGE WHEN IT COMES TO

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CORPORATIONS AND TAXES AND THAT

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IS A SEPARATE DISCUSSION.

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WHAT IS CRITICAL HERE AND IT IS

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A SITUATION FOR ILLINOIS, IS

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THAT THINGS LIKE FOOD STAMPS

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HIDE THE REAL PROBLEMS WE HAVE.

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WE HAVE A PENSION PROBLEM, WE

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HAVE AN ECONOMIC PROBLEM, WE

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HAVE AN UNEMPLOYMENT PROBLEM

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BROADLY, THE FOOD STAMPS ALLOW

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OUR GOVERNMENT TO HIDE BEHIND

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THOSE THINGS.

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WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS CHANGE OUR

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POLICIES TO HAVE MORE GROWTH AND

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MORE INVESTMENT IN ILLINOIS AND