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>> REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS

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TURN AGAINST GOVERNOR J.B.

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PRITZKER'S MASK MANDATE AND THE

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CONVICTION OF ALDERMAN PATRICK

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DALEY THOMPSON IN OUR SPOTLIGHT

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POLITICS.

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HERE WITH THAT AND MORE, AMANDA

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VINICKY, HEATHER CHERONE AND

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PARIS SCHUTZ.

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LET'S START WITH THE POLITICS OF

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GOVERNOR J.B. PRITZKER LIFTING

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THE INDOOR STATE MASK MANDATE --

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THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT ONE.

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CHICAGO'S HEALTH COMMISSIONER

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HINTING THE CITY'S MASK MANDATE

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COULD END WHEN THE STATE DROPS

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THE RULE ON FEBRUARY 28

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DEPENDING ON THE METRICS.

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>> I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND

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WE ARE NOT JUST CHOOSING A DATE.

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AS I SAID, IF WE ARE THE

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DIFFERENCE IS A FEW DAYS TO HELP

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NOT HAVE PEOPLE BE CONFUSED AND

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STRAIGHTFORWARD MY EXPECTATION

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WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO ALONG

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WITH THAT.

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NEXT WEEK WHEN WE STAND UP AND

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LOOK WHERE THINGS ARE WE WILL BE

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ABLE TO GIVE A MORE DEFINITIVE

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ANSWER.

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>> ARE THE METRICS THE 8 LEVEL

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TO DROP THE INDOOR STATE MASK

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MANDATE?

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>> NO.

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CHICAGO TODAY MOVED INTO

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SUBSTANTIAL RISK OF

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TRANSMISSION.

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WHICH IS DOWN FROM HIGH AND THEN

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VERY HIGH.

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SO THE CITY IS CERTAINLY MAKING

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PROGRESS.

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BUT Dr. ARWADY AND MAYOR LORI

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LIGHTFOOT SAID THE CITY WOULD

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HAVE TO HAVE THREE OF THE FOUR

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MAIN COVID TRACKING METRICS IN

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THE LOW RISK OR LOWER RISK

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STATUS AND CHICAGO ONLY HAS ONE

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SO WE ARE NOT QUITE THERE YET.

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WHETHER THAT MEANS CHICAGO WILL

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NOT MOVE TO LIFT THE MASK

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MANDATE WHEN THE STATE DOES AS

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YOU HEARD FROM Dr. ARWADY

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MAYBE, MAYBE NOT WE WILL BE

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TRACKING IT.

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>> IS THE PRESSURE ON TO MAKE A

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POLITICAL DECISION VERSUS A

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MEDICAL DECISION?

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>> WELL, I THINK YOU CANNOT

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SEPARATE THE TWO AT THIS POINT

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IN TIME PARTICULARLY WITH WHAT

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WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF MASKS

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IN SCHOOLS, FIGHTS SOMETIMES

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VIOLENCE, SCHOOL BOARD PARENTS

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FIGHTING WITH ONE ANOTHER.

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CLEARLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT

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HAS BECOME POLITICAL.

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AND ONE OF THE ISSUES YOU CAN

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SAY WE HAVE TO LOOK TO THE

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SCIENCE AND THIS IS A PANDEMIC

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NOBODY KNOWS WE KNOW MORE THAN

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WE DID IN 2020.

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BUT NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHERE

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IT'S GOING TO GO WHAT IT WILL

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TURN NEXT.

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SOME OF THE SCIENCE IS DIFFICULT

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HERE.

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THAT'S WHERE I THINK YOU HAVE

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YES, PRESSURE ON THE CITY OF

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CHICAGO TO LIFT THAT MASK

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MANDATE GOING ALONG WITH THE

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CITY AND GOING ALONG WITH THE

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REST OF THE STATE AND WHAT YOU

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HEARD FROM THE DOCTOR SAYING

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WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE

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METRICS BUTS IF IT IS A MATTER

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OF A PERCENTAGE POINT OR TWO

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THEN GO WITH THE STATE TO NOT

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CONFUSE PEOPLE.

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>> PARIS, WHEN PEOPLE HEAR THE

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MASK MANDATE WILL BE ROLLED BACK

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DO PEOPLE START DROPPING THE

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MASKS?

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IS THE HORSE OUT OF THE BARN?

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>> IF CHICAGO I HAVE NOT SEEN

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PEOPLE DROP THEIR MASKS INDOORS.

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I HAVE NOT SEEN TROUBLE.

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IT GOES TO THE FORTITUDE OF

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CHICAGOANS.

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BUT YOU KNOW, PUBLIC OPINION

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POLLING SHOWS A LITTLE OVER A

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MAJORITY SUPPORT FOR MASK

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MANDATES.

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SO I THINK ONCE THE MANDATE GOES

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AWAY YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE A

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GOOD AMOUNT OF PEOPLE DECIDE TO

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WEAR MASKS INDOORS.

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SOME PEOPLE ARE STILL NOT READY

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TO TAKE OFF THAT MASK.

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AND THE C.D.C. SAYS THE COUNTRY

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WAS NOT READY TO SHED THE MASKS

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YET AND NOW WE SEE THEY ARE

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MEETING TO POSSIBLY REVISE THAT.

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GOVERNOR PRITZKER AND OTHER BLUE

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STATE GOVERNORS ANNOUNCE

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DROPPING THE MASK MANDATES WHICH

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TO AMANDA'S POINT UNDERSCORES

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THE POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS.

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I DO THINK IN THE DEMOCRATIC

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PARTY WITH MIDTERMS COMING UP

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THEY DON'T WANT THIS QUESTION

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OVER MASKS AND MANDATES HANGING

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OVER THEIR HEAD AS A POLITICAL

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ISSUE AS THE POLITICAL ISSUE IN

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THE CAMPAIGNS BECAUSE THOSE GET

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MESSY.

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>> AND AS WE DISCUSSED IN THE

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BROADCAST, BIPARTISAN

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LEGISLATIVE OVERSIGHT PANEL

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REJECTS GOVERNOR PRITZKER'S

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ATTEMPT TO REINTRODUCE THE MASK

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MANDATE IN SCHOOLS ACROSS THE

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TELL US ABOUT THE PANEL AND THE

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VOTE?

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>> WELL IT IS A PANEL OF 12

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LAWMAKERS AND THEIR JOB IS VERY

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WONKY BUT IT IS ESSENTIALLY TO

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MAKE SURE THAT STATE AGENCIES

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ARE ISSUING RULES THAT MAKE

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SENSE AND ARE APPROPRIATE.

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SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT

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GOVERNOR PRITZKER'S OFFICE ASKED

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THAT COMMITTEE TO RECOMMITTEE

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THE RULE GIVING THE ILLINOIS

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DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH THE

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AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE THAT MASK

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MANDATE IN SCHOOLS ACROSS THE

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AND NINE OF THE 12 LEGISLATORS

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BALKED.

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THEY SAID LOOK THERE IS AN

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OUTSTANDING COURT CASE THAT IS

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BEING APPEALED.

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WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS RULE

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WILL BE UPHELD FOR 24 HOURS, 48

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HOURS, MAYBE NOT EVEN THAT.

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SO THEY SAID LET'S LET THE COURT

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CASE PLAY OUT.

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AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN COME BACK.

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BUT THAT JUST CREATED A YOS

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BECAUSE THAT MEANT THERE WAS NO

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MASK MANDATE FOR SCHOOLS.

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SO DOZENS OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS

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ACROSS THE STATE OVERNIGHT

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NOTIFIED PARENTS THAT MASKS

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WOULD NO LONGER BE REQUIRED.

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SO TODAY MORE STUDENTS WENT TO

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SCHOOL WITHOUT WEARING A MASK.

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>> WHICH CAN BE SCARY FOR SOME

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PARENTS.

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NOT EVERYBODY FEELS THE SAME

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WAY.

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AMANDA HAS PRITZKER LOST MEMBERS

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OF HIS PARTY ON THIS?

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>> FIRST OF ALL HE SAYS THERE IS

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STILL A MASK MANDATE IN PLACE

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THAT ANY OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS

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SHOULD BE ABIDING BY AND THIS

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DOES GET WONKY AGAIN.

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BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN

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TERMS OF THE PANEL AN EMERGENCY

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RULE PUT FORWARD BY THE ILLINOIS

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DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH HE

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SAID WAIT I HAVE AN EXECUTIVE

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ORDER THAT REMAINS IN EFFECT.

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HE WANTS SCHOOL TO ABIDE BY THAT

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IT SEEMS FOR MANY DISTRICTS THE

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HORSE IS OUT OF THE BARN AND

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THERE IS NOT A LEGAL RULING ON

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IT.

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AND IT'S MURKY AND YES, HE DID

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LOSE MEMBERS OF HIS OWN PARTY ON

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THIS ONE.

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THEY CAN POINT TO THE QUESTIONS

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WITH THE TEMPORARY RESTRAINING

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ORDER THE APPEAL THAT IS THE

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ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS PUT FORWARD

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AND SHOULD BE HEARD SOONER THAN

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LATER FOR SAYING WE DON'T HAVE

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THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH

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THIS EMERGENCY RULE.

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WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT AGAIN

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RIGHT NOW.

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I WILL ADD, AGAIN, EMERGENCY

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RULE WE ARE A COUPLE YEARS INTO

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THE PANDEMIC.

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SO ONE COULD ASK THE LEGISLATURE

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WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

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WHY HAS THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY NOT

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PASSED LAWS TO DEAL WITH THIS?

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RATHER THAN RELYING ON THE

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EXECUTIVE BRANCH TO TAKE

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EMERGENCY ACTION THIS DEEP IN.

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>> WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

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ARE WE WAITING ON SOMEONE ELSE

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TO MAKE A DECISION?

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>> WHATEVER THE FINAL ARBITER OF

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THE MASK MANDATE.

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SOME OF THE LAWYERS ON THE RIGHT

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WHO FOUGHT THIS SAY THAT JAY CAR

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COMMITTEE RULED AND THAT'S T IT

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DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE

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APPELLATE COURT RULES AND

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GOVERNOR J.B. PRITZKER AND KWAME

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RAOUL AND OTHER DEMOCRATS SAY NO

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IF THE APPELLATE COURT OVERTURNS

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THE COURT RULING THEN THAT

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GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER IS

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BACK IN PLAY AND IT'S HIS LEGAL

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RIGHT TO ISSUE THAT EXECUTIVE

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ORDER.

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AND THE MASK MANDATE IS ON.

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BUT AS AMANDA SAID, THE CAT IS

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OUT THE BAG.

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WHATEVER THE DECISION IS YOU

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WILL SEE LEGAL CHALLENGES.

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NO ONE IS GOING TO AGREE ON THE

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FINAL RULING.

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THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG AND

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NOW THIS IS ON THE BACKS OF

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ADMINISTRATORS, PRINCIPALS AND

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SCHOOL BOARDS.

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THE POINT OF THE STATE-WIDE

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SCHOOL MASK MANDATE WAS TO TAKE

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THAT RESPONSIBILITY AWAY SO

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THERE WOULD NOT BE CONFUSION

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ORDEAL WITH SOME OF THE VITRIOL

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AND THE CHAOS THAT COMES WITH IT

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AND NOW THEY ARE DEALING WITH

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THAT.

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I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PUT THAT

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CAT BACK IN THE BAG.

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>> AND ADMINISTRATORS HAVE HAD A

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TON TO DEAL WITH FIGURING OUT

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HOW TO EDUCATE STUDENTS THROUGH

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A PANDEMIC AND SAFELY.

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PATRICK DALEY THOMPSON BECAME

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THE 37TH ALDERPERSON SINCE 1969

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Y'ALL TO BE CONVICTED OF A

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FEDERAL CRIME.

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HEATHER REMIND US OF THE COUNTS?

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>> WELL HE WAS CONVICTED ON

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SEVEN COUNTS, FIVE COUNTS OF

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FILING FALSE TAX RETURNS AND TWO

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COUNTS LYING TO FEDERAL BANK

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REGULATORS HE COULD FACE UP TO

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30 YEARS IN PRISON ON EACH OF

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THOSE TWO LYING FEDERAL

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REGULATORS AND THREE YEARS FOR

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THE FALSE TAX RETURNS HE IS

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LIKELY TO GET LESS BECAUSE HE

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HAS NO CRIMINAL HISTORY AND IT

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WAS A WHITE-COLLAR SCRIM CRIME.

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I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT ATTORNEY

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ALSO ASK FOR PROBATION.

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HE IS FACING SERIOUS JAIL TIME

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AND A LITTLE BIT OF BREAKING

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NEWS A COUPLE MINUTES AGO, THE

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CITY CLERK'S OFFICE POSTED HIS

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OFFICIAL RESIGNATION LETTER HE

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IS NO LONGER THE 11TH WARD

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ALDERMAN.

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>> HEATHER CHERONE ON THE CASE

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FOR US.

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>> PARIS ANOTHER CONVICTED

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ALDERMAN'S ATTORNEY ARGUED

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BEFORE A JUDGE THAT PRISON TIME

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DOES NOT ACT AS A DETERRENT LOTS

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OF ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE GONE

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TO PRISON AND SO SENDING THEM TO

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PRISON IS NOT CURBING POLITICAL

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CORRUPTION.

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SAD BUT TRUE?

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>> AND WHAT IS NOT BEING A

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DETERRENT IS THE FACT THAT THE

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FEDS IF YOU LOOK AT THE

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CORRUPTION CASES THEY BAT NEARLY

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A THOUSAND.

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YOU DON'T BEAT THE FEDS.

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KNOWING IT'S CONFUSING THERE ARE

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A LOT OF QUESTIONS WHY PATRICK

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DALEY THOMPSON WOULD TAKE THIS

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TO TRIAL.

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IT LOOKED LIKE A CUT AND DRY

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CASE AND THE JURY DID NOT BUY

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THEIR DEFENSE AND MOST OF THE

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DEFENSE ATTORNEYS WHEN THEY GET

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CASES LIKE THIS THEIR FIRST

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ADVICE IS LOOK, MY JOB IS NOT TO

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MAKE YOU INNOCENT MY JOB IS TO

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LIMIT THE DAMAGE AND THEY

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USUALLY SUGGEST STRIKING A PLEA

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DEAL.

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IT'S CURIOUS WHY HE WOULDN'T

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STRIKE A PLEA DEAL HE COULD HAVE

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PERHAPS AVOIDED PRISON TIME.

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NOW HE PAID THE LEGAL FEES AND

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HE IS LIKELY GOING TO GET PRISON

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TIME.

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AND IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS

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WASHINGTON FEDERAL SAVINGS BANK

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NOW DEFUNCT AND IT'S SUBJECT TO

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MASSIVE FEDERAL INVESTIGATIONS

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OVER SEPARATE FEDERAL CASES

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HERE.

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MAYBE PATRICK DALEY THOMPSON

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KNEW SOMETHING ABOUT THIS BANK.

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HE WAS GETTING LOANS WITH LITTLE

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EXPECTATION TO PAY THEM OFF.

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AND MAYBE HAD INFORMATION.

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MAYBE HE DIDN'T.

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OR MAYBE IT IS THE PUBLIC

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OFFICIALS THINK THEY WILL BE THE

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ONE.

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CARRIE AUSTIN AND BOIRNLG IS

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GOING TO TRIAL BUT HIS CAMPAIGN

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FUNDS IS PAYING THE LAWYERS.

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PATRICK DALEY THOMPSON HAD A LOT

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TO LOSE.

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HE HAS A YOUNG FAMILY HE DOESN'T

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HAVE THAT KIND OF CAMPAIGN MONEY

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TO PAY THE LAWYERS AND NOW

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LOOKING AT PRISON.

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IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WHY THE

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PUBLIC OFFICIALS A CONTINUE TO

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ENGAGE IN THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR

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AND B DON'T TAKE THE EASIER WAY

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OUT.

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>> THEY BELIEVE IN THEIR OWN

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PRESUMED INNOCENCE ESPECIALLY IF

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YOU HAVE $11 BILLION.

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>> ACTUAL NUMBER.

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>> THAT IS A LARGE NUMBER.

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ONCE SOMEONE ON CITY COUNCIL IS

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CONVICTED OF A FELONY THEY

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THROUGH THEIR SEAT AND MAYOR

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LORI LIGHTFOOT IS TRAFFIC --

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TASKED WITH APPOINTING A

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REPLACEMENT.

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WILL SHE APPOINT AN

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ASIAN-AMERICAN?

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>> WELL, SHE HAS 60 DAYS TO MAKE

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THIS DECISION THERE IS NO DOUBT

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THAT SHE WILL BE UNDER INTENSE

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PRESSURE TO MAKE THIS HER FIRST

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APPOINTMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL

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SOMEBODY WHO CAN REPRESENT A

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REDRAWN 11TH WARD WHICH WOULD

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UNITE ALL OF CHINATOWN ALONG

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WITH PARTS OF MCKINLAY PARK AND

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ARCHER SQUARE TO MAKE A WARD

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WHICH WILL HAVE A MAJORITY OF

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ASIAN VOTERS THE FIRST IN

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CHICAGO'S HISTORY.

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WHETHER SHE WILL DO THAT I DON'T

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KNOW.

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BUT SHE WILL BE GETTING A LOT OF

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PHONE CALLS AND A LOT OF E-MAILS

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AND A LOT OF ADVICE BECAUSE

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WHOEVER SHE PICKS WILL HAVE A

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LEG UP A HEADSTART ON THE 2023

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ELECTIONS WHICH ARE JUST ABOUT A

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YEAR AWAY IF YOU CAN BELIEVE

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THAT.

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>> I DON'T LIKE TO MAKE

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PREDICTIONS BUT I'M GOING TO.

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YES THERE'S SO MUCH PRESSURE TO

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APPOINT AN ASIAN-AMERICAN TO

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THAT SEAT.

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I WILL GUESS SHE IS GOING TO.

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WHO THAT WILL BE I CAN'T SAY.

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>> WE HAVE 60 DAYS FOR HER TO

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LET US KNOW.

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GOVERNOR J.B. PRITZKER HAS

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PARDONED 162 PEOPLE SO FAR THIS

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YEAR BUT ONE STANDS OUT IN

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PARTICULAR.

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A POLITICALLY CONNECTED ARSONIST

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WHO HAS BECOME A FIRE CHIEF.

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TELL US MORE ABOUT THIS MAN WHO

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GOT THE PARDON AND WHY HE GOT IT

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AND THE FALLOUT FROM THIS

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APPOINTMENT.

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>> I EXPECT A LOT OF FALLOUT

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THIS IS A NEW STORY THAT REPORTS

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ABOUT JARAME SIMMONS, SR., HE IS

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A NOW A FIRE CHIEF.

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BUT BACK WAY BACK IN THE 90s

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HE HAD ACTUALLY BEEN CONVICTED

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OF ARSON PLEADED GILLFY IN FACT

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TO AN ARSON CHARGE WHICH IS

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SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T

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NECESSARILY WANT OR EXPECT OUT

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OF SOMEBODY WHO IS SUPPOSED TO

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BE PROTECTING RESIDENTS FROM

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FIRE.

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HE WAS SERVING AS A VOLUNTEER

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FIREFIGHTER.

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HE IS THE SON OF A FORMER MAYOR

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OF THE TOWN WHICH HE IS NOW A

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FIRE CHIEF THAT IS DUPONT.

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SOUTHWESTERN ILLINOIS, VAGUELY

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SOUTH OF ST. LOUIS ON THE

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ILLINOIS SIDE.

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WHY EXACTLY THE GOVERNOR

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PARDONED HIM AND THERE WERE

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ALLOWED HIM TO RISE TO THE LOCAL

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OFFICE WHICH HE ASPIRED WE DON'T

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KNOW.

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THERE IS A LOT ABOUT THE

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PARDONING PROCESS AND THE PRISON

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REVIEW BOARD THAT REMAINS

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00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,633
CONCEALED OUTSIDE OF PUBLIC

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PURVIEW.

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THE GOVERNOR IS COMING UNDER

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WELL FIRE FOR DOING SO GIVEN

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THIS MAN'S POLITICAL CONNECTIONS

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AND JUST QUESTIONS ABOUT IN

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GENERAL DO CRIMINAL JUSTICE

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SYSTEM AND AGAIN, THE NOTION OF

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HAVING A FIRE CHIEF WHO IN

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ADDITION TO ARSON HAS HAD MANY

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OTHER STRUGGLES WITH THE LAW.

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>> PARIS, THIS COULD BE A

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TURNAROUND STORY, THERE IS A LOT

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WE DON'T KNOW OR IT COULD BE A

447
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MATTER OF POLITICAL CONNECTIONS

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WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING ON

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HERE?

450
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>> IT COULD HAVE BEEN THAT HE

451
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FELL IN LOVE WITH FIREFIGHTING

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AFTER HE WENT THROUGH THAT

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SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

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BUT CERTAINLY YOU COULD BE THE

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SUBJECT OF POLITICAL ATTACK ADS

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IF YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT

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MOST REPUBLICANS LOOKS TO USE

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CRIME AS PERHAPS THE NUMBER ONE

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THING THEY WANT TO HIT GOVERNOR

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J.B. PRITZKER ON THIS MIGHT FIT

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IN WITH THAT.

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CRIME AND POLITICAL CRONYISM.

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IT WOULD SEEM TO HAVE THE

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INGREDIENTS.

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I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A STEP

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BACK AND FIGURE OUT WHO THIS GUY

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REALLY IS AND WHAT IS GOING ON.

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>> AND SPEAKING OF REPUBLICANS

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RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR RICHARD

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IRVIN GOT AN EIGHT-FIGURE

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DONATION BY THE STATE'S

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WEALTHIEST MAN.

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DOES THIS SURPRISE YOU THAT KEN

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GRIFFIN IS BACKING RICHARD IRVIN

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OR THE WORST KEPT SECRET IN

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POLITICS?

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>> THE WORST KEPT SECRET IT

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WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE SHOCKING IF

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HE HAD NOT MADE A MASSIVE

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CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION TO RICHARD

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IRVIN AND IT SETS UP A BATTLE OF

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THE BILLIONAIRE VERSUS THE

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BILLIONAIRE'S FAVORITE CANDIDATE

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AND J.B. PRITZKER SAYS HE IS

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WILLING TO SPEND AS MUCH AS IT

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TAKES TO WIN A SECOND TERM.

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AND KEN GRIFFIN WILL HELP IRVIN

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TO GIVE HIM A RUN FOR HIS MONEY

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IN THE POTENTIAL GENERAL

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ELECTION.

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FIRST RICHARD IRVIN HAS TO MAKE

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IT THROUGH THE G.O.P. PRIMARY

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AND THAT IS NO SMALL TASK.

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>> IT'S NOT A LIMITED FIELD.

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IT IS QUITE A FEW FOLKS RUNNING

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FOR THAT ONE.

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DOES IRVIN HAS A TRUMP PROBLEM?

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>> HE HAS A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES

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DEPENDING IN THE PRIMARY OR THE

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GENERAL.

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IN THE PRIMARY, IT STILL APPEARS

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THAT THE BASE OF THE REPUBLICAN

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PARTY IS MOST ACTIVATED IN THE

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TRUMP WING AND THAT WOULD HOLD

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TRUE IN ILLINOIS.

506
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AND IRVIN MIGHT NOT EXCITE THAT

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BASE THE WAY SOME OF THE OTHER

508
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CANDIDATES IF HE GETS THROUGH

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THE PRIMARY HE HAS A PROBLEM IN

510
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THAT THE PRITZKER CAMPAIGN WILL

511
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CONNECT HIM TO KEN GRIFFIN HE

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WILL BE THE PUPPET OF A

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BILLIONAIRE AND CONNECTING THAT

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TO BRUCE RAUNER BECAUSE KEN

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GRIFFIN WAS A BIG FUNDER AND NO

516
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DOUBT THEY WILL PROBABLY TRY TO

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CONNECT HIM TO TRUMP JUST BY

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BEING A REPUBLICAN.

519
00:16:07,866 --> 00:16:15,566
IT WILL BE A COMPLICATED

520
00:16:12,166 --> 00:16:17,233
SQUIGGLELY LINE THAT HE WILL

521
00:16:13,833 --> 00:16:19,133
HAVE TO WALK.

522
00:16:15,566 --> 00:16:20,066
>> AND AMANDA, 30 SECONDS

523
00:16:17,233 --> 00:16:21,566
ILLINOIS HAS A NEW LEGISLATIVE

524
00:16:19,133 --> 00:16:22,333
INSPECTOR GENERAL.

525
00:16:20,066 --> 00:16:24,433
HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO FILL

526
00:16:21,566 --> 00:16:26,600
THIS POSITION?

527
00:16:22,333 --> 00:16:28,233
>> WE HAD KNOWN SINCE JULY THAT

528
00:16:24,433 --> 00:16:30,800
THE LAST INSPECTOR GENERAL WAS

529
00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:31,966
GOING TO LEAVE.

530
00:16:28,233 --> 00:16:33,466
AND STEPPED DOWN AT THE START OF

531
00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,266
JANUARY 2022 BUT IT'S BEEN A

532
00:16:31,966 --> 00:16:36,600
LONG RUNNING FIGHT AND WHAT IS

533
00:16:33,466 --> 00:16:38,700
INTERESTING IS DEMOCRATS WENT ON

534
00:16:35,266 --> 00:16:42,233
THEIR OWN TO APPOINT SOMEBODY

535
00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:43,333
THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE BUY IN

536
00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:44,666
FROM BOTH PARTIES AND BYPASSED A

537
00:16:42,233 --> 00:16:46,833
CITIZENS COMMITTEE THAT WAS

538
00:16:43,333 --> 00:16:48,466
SUPPOSED TO GIVE APPROVAL.

539
00:16:44,666 --> 00:16:50,033
ILLINOIS HAS A LEGISLATIVE

540
00:16:46,833 --> 00:16:51,833
INSPECTOR GENERAL SOMEBODY TO

541
00:16:48,466 --> 00:16:54,000
WATCH OVER THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

542
00:16:50,033 --> 00:16:55,633
BUT ANY DECISIONS THAT THIS

543
00:16:51,833 --> 00:16:57,766
INSPECTOR GENERAL MAKES MAY COME

544
00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:59,466
UNDER SCRUTINY BY THE PROCESS

545
00:16:55,633 --> 00:16:59,833
THAT IT TOOK TO GET THE

546
00:16:57,766 --> 00:17:01,066
INSPECTOR GENERAL IN THAT

547
00:16:59,466 --> 00:17:02,366
POSITION.

548
00:16:59,833 --> 00:17:04,966
>> SEVEN MONTHS AND NO INSPECTOR

549
00:17:01,066 --> 00:17:06,533
GENERAL IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO

550
00:17:02,366 --> 00:17:06,900
AND NO SIGNS OF ANY MOVEMENT ON

551
00:17:04,966 --> 00:17:07,933
THAT WHATSOEVER WHICH IS