1 00:00:04,066 --> 00:00:07,266 DENNIS HASERT CASE. 2 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,033 >> THANK YOU. 3 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,033 LATER THIS MONTH, A FEDERAL 4 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,366 JUDGE WILL DECIDE THE FATE OF 5 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:14,333 FORMER U.S. HOUSE SPEAKER DENNIS 6 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,533 HASERT. 7 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:17,866 DENNIS HASERT HAS PLEADED GUILTY 8 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:20,333 TO HUSH MONEY CHARGES CONNECTED 9 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:22,800 TO A FORMER YORKVILLE HIGH 10 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:24,500 SCHOOL STUDENT WHO ALLEGEDLY WAS 11 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:27,000 SEXUALLY ABUSED DECADES AGO BY 12 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:27,800 HASTERT WHEN HE WAS A WRESTLING 13 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:29,900 COACH AT THE SCHOOL. 14 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:32,066 THE "CHICAGO TRIBUNE" REPORTED 15 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:32,866 THAT A NUMBER OF FORMER STUDENTS 16 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:35,200 WERE ALLEGEDLY SEXUALLY ABUSED 17 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:36,966 BY HASTERT. 18 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:39,166 AND IN A BOMBSHELL FEDERAL 19 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:41,966 FILING PROSECUTORS CALLED THEIR 20 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:44,800 STORIES OF ABUSE CREDIBLE. 21 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:46,733 JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT THIS 22 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:48,100 STORY IS CHRISTY GUTOWSKI A 23 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:50,166 REPORTER FOR THE "CHICAGO 24 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:51,800 TRIBUNE" AND PART OF A TEAM AND 25 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:52,133 HAS BEEN ABLE TO TRACK DOWN 26 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:53,733 THREE OF THE FIVE ALLEGED 27 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:55,433 VICTIMS. 28 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:57,633 HOW DID YOU DO IT? 29 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:00,066 IF THERE IS A METHODOLOGY TO 30 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:00,400 THIS AND IT IS A DIFFICULT STORY 31 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:03,666 TO REPORT OUT, HOW DID YOU FIND 32 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:05,733 THEM? 33 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:07,833 >> AS YOU KNOW, FROM DECADES IN 34 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:10,100 REPORTING, YOU CAN EITHER HAVE A 35 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:12,400 SOURCE WHO TELLS YOU, HAVE 36 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:12,733 LEAKED DOCUMENTS OR BOOTS TO THE 37 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:13,933 GROUND KNOCKING ON DOORS CALLING 38 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:15,700 PEOPLE. 39 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:17,233 I HAVE NEVER BEEN A FEDERAL 40 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:19,100 COURTS REPORTER SO I HAD NO 41 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:20,333 SOURCES TO LEAK ANYTHING TO ME. 42 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:22,833 THERE WERE NO DOCUMENTS TO LEAK 43 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:24,566 BECAUSE EVERYTHING WAS UNDER 44 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:24,966 SEAL TO PROTECT THE VICTIMS. 45 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:27,266 SO THERE WERE NO LEAKED 46 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:30,033 DOCUMENTS. 47 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:31,766 IT WAS REALLY JUST GOING THROUGH 48 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:33,300 OLD YEARBOOKS WITH THE TEAM OF 49 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:34,466 TRIBUNE REPORTERS AND PUTTING 50 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:34,800 TOGETHER ROSTERS OF THE 51 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:38,233 WRESTLERS AND TRYING TO FIND 52 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:39,800 THEM. 53 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:43,433 >> AND WHEN YOU DID, DO THAT, 54 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:46,433 THEN THAT BOOTS TO THE GROUND 55 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:47,733 PART WHERE YOU GO TO KNOCK ON A 56 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:50,266 DOOR OR SAY TO A PERSON I AM A 57 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:51,766 REPORTER, AND I WANT TO KNOW 58 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:53,733 ABOUT SEX ABUSE. 59 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:55,433 HOW MANY SLAMMED DOORS DID YOU 60 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:57,900 GET BEFORE YOU GOT AN OPEN ONE? 61 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:59,033 >> IT WAS A HEARTBREAKING STORY. 62 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:00,066 MY BACKGROUND IS WORKING WITH 63 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:01,933 SURVIVORS OF VIOLENCE CRIMES 64 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:03,466 COURTS FOR YEARS. 65 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:05,166 SO I HAVE A LOT OF BACKGROUND 66 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:06,033 WORKING WITH SURVIVORS OF CRIME. 67 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:08,533 AND I FEEL COMFORTABLE TALKING 68 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:10,766 TO THEM. 69 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:13,100 SO WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE 70 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:14,933 OLD YEARBOOKS FROM THE 60s AND 71 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:16,200 70s, YOU GET TO MEMORIZE THE 72 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:16,500 FACES AND BECOME CURIOUS WHAT 73 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:18,966 HAPPENED TO THESE PEOPLE IN 74 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:21,500 LIFE. 75 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:23,400 AND I REMEMBER MY HIGH SCHOOL 76 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:24,633 YEARBOOK AND ALL THE DREAMS AND 77 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:25,133 ASPIRATIONS YOU HAD AND I 78 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:27,033 WONDERED IT BECAME PERSONAL TO 79 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:28,333 ME. 80 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:29,700 I WANTED TO KNOW WERE THEY 81 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:31,566 HIDING A SECRET? 82 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:34,866 WERE THEY HARMED? 83 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:36,466 DID THEY GO AND ASK FOR HELP? 84 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:37,966 AND NO ONE BELIEVED THEM? 85 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:40,666 IT BECAME IMPORTANT TO ME AND TO 86 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:42,200 THE TRIBUNE TO FIND THEM. 87 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:44,366 AS YOU CAN WELL IMAGINE THESE 88 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:46,266 WERE MIDDLE-AGED PEOPLE WHO WENT 89 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:48,733 ON AND MANY THIS WAS THEIR HERO 90 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:50,133 AND DID NOT BELIEVE IT AND THOSE 91 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:51,900 WHO DID BELIEVE IT BECAUSE THEIR 92 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:54,133 OWN KNOWLEDGE WERE NOT THRILLED 93 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:57,333 ABOUT TALKING ABOUT IT. 94 00:00:00,000 --> 00:02:59,233 >> WHEN THE FEDS FIRST INDICTED 95 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:02,966 DENNIS HASERT, IT WAS VERY 96 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:06,333 CAREFULLY WRITTEN INDICTMENT IN 97 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:08,433 WHICH THEY TALKED ABOUT HIS PAST 98 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:11,933 MISCONDUCT FOR WHICH HE WAS 99 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:13,666 STRUCTURING FINANCES BANK 100 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:15,933 WITHDRAWALS TO PAY HUSH MONEY 101 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:16,266 AND IT WAS A MALE STUDENT WHO 102 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:19,266 HAD KNOWN HIM ALL OF HIS LIFE 103 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:21,766 ALMOST. 104 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:24,766 AND SO YOU HAD TO PULL OUT OF 105 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:26,400 THERE AND DEDUCE HERE IS THIS 106 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:27,900 ONE STUDENT. 107 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:29,566 YOU NOW KNOW AND FIGURED OUT 108 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:32,100 THERE WERE FIVE STUDENTS? 109 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:34,966 >> THE INDICTMENT I READ IT OVER 110 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:36,333 AND OVER AND OVER TRYING TO GET 111 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:37,233 CLUES FROM IT AND IT WAS SO 112 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:39,566 CAREFULLY WORDED AND IT DID NOT 113 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:41,933 SAY IT WAS A STUDENT. 114 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:44,866 IT GAVE A BIOGRAPHY ABOUT Mr. 115 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:47,000 HASTERT THAT HE TAUGHT CIVICS 116 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:49,200 AND WAS A WRESTLING COACH IN 117 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:51,666 65-80 AND SAID INDIVIDUAL A IS A 118 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:55,933 PERSON DID NOT GIVE THEIR 119 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:57,366 GENDER, WHO KNEW Mr. HASTERT 120 00:00:00,000 --> 00:03:59,666 MOST OF HIS LIFE MOST OF IS WHAT 121 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:01,633 I BECAME FOCUSED ON. 122 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:04,666 AND WHAT BROTHERED ME I AM NOT A 123 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:05,933 HUGE POLITICAL PERSON BUT I KNEW 124 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:07,766 THIS MAN HE WAS LONGEST REIGNING 125 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:09,700 SPEAKER REPUBLICAN SPEAKER IN 126 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:11,033 OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY AND HE IS 127 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:12,700 DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY PERSONAL 128 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:13,466 LIBERTIES AND YOUR PERSONAL 129 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:15,566 LIBERTIES AND THE PUBLIC'S 130 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:16,666 PERSONAL LIBERTIES. 131 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:18,233 AND I WANTED TO KNOW THE TRIBUNE 132 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:20,600 WANTED TO GET TO THE TRUTH OF 133 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:22,700 WHAT HAPPENED. 134 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:24,100 SO YOU KNOW, REALLY IT WAS JUST 135 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:25,566 A NEEDLE IN A HAY STACK. 136 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:29,066 >> YOU FOUND INDIVIDUAL A. 137 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:31,366 >> WE DID. 138 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:33,000 SO WHAT I DID AND WHAT SOME OF 139 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:36,500 MY COLLEAGUES DID, JEFF COHEN, 140 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:39,800 WE WENT THROUGH THE ROSTERS AND 141 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:42,333 WE CALLED AND KNOCKED ON THE 142 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:44,766 DOOR OF MANY OF THEM AND I FELL 143 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:46,233 IN YORK A GREAT TOWN MANY HOMES 144 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:47,666 ARE CONVERTED CHURCHES. 145 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:50,000 AND ON FARMS AND IT'S DIFFERENT 146 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:51,833 FROM MY BACKGROUND. 147 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:54,366 AND WE DEVELOPED SOME KEY NAMES 148 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:55,866 OF PEOPLE WE FOCUSED ON AND TOOK 149 00:00:00,000 --> 00:04:57,300 THE REPORTING THROUGHOUT AS LONG 150 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:00,200 AS WE COULD. 151 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:01,600 RUMORS, SPECULATION, PEOPLE THAT 152 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:04,733 WERE CONNECTED TO HASTERT BUT WE 153 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:06,933 TOOK IT AS FAR AS WE COULD. 154 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:08,333 AND I REACH YOU HAD OUT TO -- 155 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:09,266 REACHED OUT TO ALMOST 100 156 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:11,133 WRESTLERS AND KEPT GOING BACK 157 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:13,900 AND BACK. 158 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:14,233 AND SOME STARTED TRUSTING US. 159 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:15,966 AND ONE VICTIM CAME FORWARD IN 160 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:16,866 OCTOBER. 161 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:19,100 HE STILL IS NOT WILLING TO TELL 162 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:20,233 HIS STORY PUBLICLY. 163 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:21,400 WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED HIM. 164 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:23,166 BUT AROUND CHRISTMAS I WAS 165 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:25,633 WORKING ON LAQUAN McDONALD'S 166 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:27,933 STORY LIKE THE REST OF CHICAGO 167 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:29,400 INCLUDING YOU, AND SOMEONE SAID 168 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:30,466 YOU KNOW ONE OF THE WRESTLERS 169 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:32,933 YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT THIS 170 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:35,033 PERSON AND IT WAS RUMOR. 171 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:36,966 SO I STARTED SCRUBBING HIM AND 172 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:39,333 SURE ENOUGH I PUT TOGETHER 21 173 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:43,600 POINTS WHY I THOUGHT THIS WAS 174 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:45,700 INDIVIDUAL A AND WENT TO JEFF 175 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:47,733 WHO COVERED FAMILY SECRETS AND 176 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:48,666 MURDERS AND WHAT TOOK ME EIGHT 177 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:49,966 MONTHS HE COULD GET CONFIRMED IN 178 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:51,266 LESS THAN A DAY. 179 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:52,733 >> AND YOU LAID THE GROUND WORK 180 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:53,066 TO HELP WITH THAT. 181 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:56,000 >> I THINK IT HELPED WITH THE 182 00:00:00,000 --> 00:05:59,633 NAME. 183 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:02,000 >> DO THE BRICK WORK FIRST. 184 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:03,933 SO INDIVIDUAL A, INDIVIDUAL YOU 185 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:04,900 FIGURED OUT WHO INDIVIDUAL A AND 186 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:07,600 D ARE IS THAT CORRECT? 187 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:09,700 >> RIGHT. 188 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:11,033 AND STEVEN RHINE BOLT'S DIED IN 189 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:13,533 1995 OF AIDS AND WE THINK HE IS 190 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:16,666 THE FIRST VICTIM. 191 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:18,500 AND HIS SISTER HAS SPOKEN OUT 192 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:20,300 PUBLICLY SINCE LAST SUMMER. 193 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:24,900 >> BECAUSE SHE CONFRONTED DENNIS 194 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:25,966 HASERT AT HER BROTHER'S WAKE. 195 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:29,133 ALL OF THESE, FOR ALL OF THESE 196 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:31,800 MEN HAVE THEY -- 197 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:33,500 DO THEY STILL WEAR THE SCARS? 198 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:34,066 IS THERE SOMETHING THAT A 199 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:36,033 COMMONALITY THAT YOU SEE IN 200 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:37,233 THEM? 201 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:37,900 >> COLLEGE EDUCATED. 202 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:40,866 DENNIS HASERT KNEW THEIR 203 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:42,466 FAMILIES WELL. 204 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:45,933 THEIR PARENTS TRUSTED HIM. 205 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:46,366 THEY SOME OF THEM STAYED CLOSE 206 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:49,566 AND OTHERS HAVE GONE FAR. 207 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:51,133 SUCCESSFUL. 208 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:53,000 SOME OF THEM ALL OF THEM HAVE 209 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:55,200 HAD PERSONAL STRUGGLES. 210 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:57,800 AND YOU KNOW IT'S INTERESTING 211 00:00:00,000 --> 00:06:59,333 THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO STILL 212 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:01,366 DON'T BELIEVE THIS. 213 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:01,766 AND THESE VICTIMS, I THINK THEY 214 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:02,800 ARE GROWING IN STRENGTH AND 215 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:07,133 NUMBERS. 216 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:08,500 BUT THEY ARE AWARE OF THAT. 217 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:10,800 I TALKED TO ONE MEMBER OF THE 76 218 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:11,333 STATE CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM WHO TOLD 219 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:12,266 ME I DO NOT CARE IF HE DID DO 220 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:13,900 IT. 221 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:15,233 HE IS MY COACH. 222 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:15,533 IT DOESN'T CHANGE MY MIND. 223 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:17,000 THEY HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH 224 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:19,200 THIS. 225 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:22,733 BUT THERE HAVE BEEN STRUGGLES 226 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:24,400 AND I CANNOT SAY IF IT'S BECAUSE 227 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:25,700 OF WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM AS A 228 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:27,866 CHILD BUT YOU HAVE TO THINK IT 229 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:30,800 HAD EFFECT. 230 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:36,200 >> INDIVIDUAL A HAD MANY 231 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:38,733 FINANCIAL REVERSALS. 232 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:39,833 HAD SOME ANXIETY STRUGGLES. 233 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:43,233 AND HASTERT WHEN THE FEDS SAW 234 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:45,200 SOMETHING STRANGE GOING ON IN 235 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:46,233 HIS BANKING, HASTERT TOLD THEM 236 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:49,533 WELL HE WAS BEING EXTORTED BY 237 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:50,933 INDIVIDUAL A. 238 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:53,000 THE AMAZING THING IS THE F.B.I. 239 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:53,433 WIRETAPPING THEIR CONVERSATIONS 240 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:55,100 FOUND QUITE THE OPPOSITE, DIDN'T 241 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:55,766 THEY? 242 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:58,066 >> AND PEOPLE HAVE STRONG 243 00:00:00,000 --> 00:07:59,166 OPINIONS ABOUT WHETHER 244 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:01,433 INDIVIDUAL A IS AN EXTORTIONIST 245 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:03,633 OR NOT. 246 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:05,300 AND THAT WAS WHAT Mr. HASTERT 247 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:06,133 TOLD THE FEDS WHEN THEY 248 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:08,366 CONFRONTED HIM SO THEY 249 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:09,366 TAPE-RECORDED TWO CONVERSATIONS 250 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:13,433 IN MARCH OF 2015 AND BOTH 251 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:15,800 ACCORDING TO THE DOCUMENT THAT 252 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:17,566 THE FEDS RELEASED FRIDAY, 8:00 253 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:18,833 P.M., INDIVIDUAL A WAS PASSIVE 254 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:21,066 AND NEVER ANGRY WHEN Mr. 255 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:25,233 HASTERT SAID HE COULD NOT GET 256 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:26,733 MORE MONEY. 257 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:29,600 AND SAID ALL I ALONG I WANTED TO 258 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:30,033 GO TO YOUR LAWYERS AND STRUCTURE 259 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:31,500 THIS IN A WAY THAT WAS 260 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:33,066 ABOVEBOARD. 261 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:34,433 SO THAT IS WHY -- 262 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:34,866 >> AND HASTERT ALLEGEDLY SAID 263 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:36,300 NO. 264 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:37,666 >> RIGHT. 265 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:40,233 HE WANTED TO KEEP IT SECRET. 266 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:41,233 AND ACCORDING TO THE FEDS THAT 267 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:43,966 IS BECAUSE HE KNEW JOL LEAN WAS 268 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:45,933 OUT THERE. 269 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:48,900 >> THE SISTER OF STEVEN WHO DIED 270 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:51,466 OF AIDS AND WAS THE FIRST IN 271 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:53,100 THIS LINE OF YOUNG MEAN. 272 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:55,366 IN THE GOVERNMENT'S FILING THEY 273 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:55,700 TALK ABOUT NO ONE IS WITH ABOVE 274 00:00:00,000 --> 00:08:59,400 THE LAW NOT DENNIS HASERT, NOT 275 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:00,800 ANYONE. 276 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:03,400 AND, YET, IN THOMAS DURKIN'S 277 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:05,500 FEDERAL COURTROOM REPORTERS HAVE 278 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:06,766 NOT KNOWN OF SEVERAL OF THE 279 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:07,633 HEARINGS THAT WERE GOING ON. 280 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:09,933 THEY SEEMED TO BE SLIPPED UNDER 281 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:12,133 THE RADAR. 282 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:14,066 WHY IS THAT? 283 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:17,433 >> SO IT TOOK 300 DAYS SINCE THE 284 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:19,233 INDICTMENT WAS UNSEALED THAT THE 285 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:20,833 WORDS SEXUAL ABUSE WERE UTTERED 286 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:22,900 IN OPEN COURT AND ON PUBLIC 287 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:23,533 RECORD ONE OF THE THINGS THAT 288 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:25,900 MOTIVATED THE TRIBUNE TO PURSUE 289 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:28,700 THE STORY. 290 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:29,833 DURING THE 300 DAYS THERE WERE 291 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:32,633 TWO COURT HEARINGS THAT WERE NOT 292 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:32,900 REPORTERS WERE IN THE COURTHOUSE 293 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:34,600 AND THEY KNOW WHEN THINGS ARE 294 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:35,966 UP. 295 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:39,266 AND TWO WERE CALLED WITHOUT ANY 296 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:40,900 SORT OF PUBLIC NOTICE. 297 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:43,000 AND I DO BELIEVE THAT JUDGE 298 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:44,633 DURKIN GIVEN THE DIFFICULTIES OF 299 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:46,800 THIS CASE HAS DONE HIS BEST TO 300 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:48,633 TRY TO KEEP THINGS PUBLIC. 301 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:50,733 WHAT HAPPENED ON ONE OF THE 302 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:51,566 INSTANCES WAS HE WAS ON TRIAL 303 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:52,766 AND THE LAWYERS CAME IN 304 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:56,266 LAST-MINUTE WITH SOMETHING THAT 305 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:58,433 THEY WANTED TO GET ON THE RECORD 306 00:00:00,000 --> 00:09:58,966 SO HE DID HIS LUNCH, DID IT ON 307 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:01,433 HIS LUNCH-HOUR AND WE GOT 308 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:04,000 TRANSCRIPTS LATER. 309 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:05,400 IT GOES TO SHOW YOU IN THIS 310 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:07,266 CASE, IF OUR FEDERAL COURT 311 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:08,900 REPORTER DID NOT HEAR ABOUT IT 312 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:11,633 FROM ONE OF HIS PROBABLY 313 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:12,600 SOMEBODY IN THE COURTHOUSE, WE 314 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:13,933 WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT. 315 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:16,566 IT'S UPSETTING. 316 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:17,033 >> IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU ARE 317 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:19,966 STILL REPORTING THIS STORY? 318 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:22,966 >> RIGHT. 319 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:25,000 >> AND THE HEARING WE MAY HEAR 320 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:27,233 FROM INDIVIDUAL D THE IRONY IS 321 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:29,700 THAT HE CAME FORWARD TO 322 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:32,333 PROSECUTORS AFTER HASTERT'S TEAM 323 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:32,833 ASKED HIS FAMILY TO WRITE A 324 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:35,066 LETTER OF AFFIRMATION AND 325 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:36,766 RECOMMENDATION. 326 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:40,266 >> KEEP IN MIND THIS WAS A TOWN 327 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:40,566 THAT HAS GROWN BY LEAPS AND 328 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:41,833 BOUNDS SINCE THE 60s AND 329 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:43,633 70s. 330 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:44,266 AND EVERYBODY KNEW EVERYONE. 331 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:45,700 IT WAS LIKE 1500 PEOPLE BACK IN 332 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:49,400 THE DAY. 333 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:51,133 HE KNOWS THEIR FAMILIES. 334 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:53,700 AND WE'VE HEARD BECAUSE OF THE 335 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:54,300 DIFFICULTY HE HAS HAD MEDICALLY 336 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:55,866 HE LOST SOME OF HIS MEMORY AND 337 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:57,200 THINGS LIKE THAT. 338 00:00:00,000 --> 00:10:59,800 THAT IS WHAT THE DEFENSE HAS 339 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:02,000 SAID BUT WE ARE TOLD HE DID 340 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:02,500 REACH OUT TO A MEMBER OF D'S 341 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:05,700 FAMILY AND D HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON 342 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:08,433 THE FENCE. 343 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:11,100 THERE IS NO PUBLIC UPSIDE. 344 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:13,433 SOME MUCH COMES UPSIDE-DOWN WHEN 345 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:13,766 YOU COME AGAINST ONE OF THE MOST 346 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:15,333 POWERFUL MEN IN OUR COUNTRY'S 347 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:15,666 HISTORY. 348 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:16,933 BUT HE IS GOING TO TELL HIS 349 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:18,100 STORY. 350 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:20,166 AND HE IS SCARED BUT HE IS GOING 351 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:20,700 TO DO IT. 352 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:23,233 >> CHRISTY GUTOWSKI, IT'S AN 353 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:23,966 AMAZING STORY. 354 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:25,266 AND I KNOW THE LEGWORK ON IT HAS 355 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:25,766 BEEN ENORMOUS. 356 00:00:00,000 --> 00:11:26,300 THANK YOU FOR COMING AND TALKING 357 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 ABOUT THAT.