WEBVTT 00:03.837 --> 00:04.638 >>THAT GAS STATION OWNER IN THE 00:04.638 --> 00:06.306 SOUTH BECOMES A STRONG ADVOCATE 00:06.306 --> 00:07.908 FOR GROWN 00:07.908 --> 00:08.242 ENERGY. 00:08.242 --> 00:09.543 JOE BIDEN TURNED 00:09.543 --> 00:10.110 LOBBYIST WHO 00:10.110 --> 00:11.478 SAYS THE SYSTEM IS 00:11.478 --> 00:12.279 HOPE WEATHERS 00:12.279 --> 00:12.913 WEATHERS CORRUPT. 00:12.913 --> 00:14.581 THEIR STORIES DOCUMENT WHAT 00:14.581 --> 00:15.415 AUTHOR GEORGE 00:15.415 --> 00:16.583 PACKER SAYS IS 00:16.583 --> 00:17.751 A 00:17.751 --> 00:19.052 DISSOLUTION OF AMERICAN 00:19.052 --> 00:19.486 INSTITUTIONS. 00:19.486 --> 00:20.387 HIS 00:20.387 --> 00:21.588 LATEST BOOK IS 00:21.588 --> 00:22.389 THE 00:22.389 --> 00:22.756 UNWINDING 00:22.756 --> 00:23.857 OF THE NEW 00:23.857 --> 00:24.992 AMERICA AND HE'S A 00:24.992 --> 00:26.894 STAFF WRITER FOR THE NEW 00:26.894 --> 00:27.561 YORKER 00:27.561 --> 00:29.062 AND GEORGE JOINS US 00:29.062 --> 00:29.796 NOW. 00:29.796 --> 00:30.230 WELCOME. 00:30.230 --> 00:31.365 >>THE BOOK IS ALLED THE 00:31.365 --> 00:32.165 UNWINDING. 00:32.165 --> 00:33.166 WHAT IS 00:33.166 --> 00:34.134 COMING UN-DONE? 00:34.134 --> 00:35.435 >>I 00:35.435 --> 00:35.936 THINK IT'S 00:35.936 --> 00:37.271 A DEAL THAT USED 00:37.271 --> 00:38.805 TO EXIST BETWEEN AMERICANS THAT 00:38.805 --> 00:39.873 IF YOU DID 00:39.873 --> 00:41.008 YOUR 00:41.008 --> 00:41.909 PART 00:41.909 --> 00:42.643 AND SORT OF 00:42.643 --> 00:44.645 PLAYED BY THE 00:44.645 --> 00:45.212 RULES 00:45.212 --> 00:45.812 AND MADE 00:45.812 --> 00:47.114 SURE YOUR CHILDREN HAD A BETTER 00:47.114 --> 00:48.715 CHANCE THAN YOU DID, THERE WOULD 00:48.715 --> 00:49.816 BE A PLACE FOR YOU IN 00:49.816 --> 00:50.217 SOCIETY 00:50.217 --> 00:51.852 AND OBVIOUSLY THAT LEFT OUT A 00:51.852 --> 00:53.153 LOT 00:53.153 --> 00:53.487 OF 00:53.487 --> 00:54.888 PEOPLE IN THE PAST BUT 00:54.888 --> 00:55.722 THE CIRCLE 00:55.722 --> 00:56.990 WIDENED BUT IN THE 00:56.990 --> 00:58.125 LAST GENERATION, 00:58.125 --> 00:58.825 IT'S BECOME 00:58.825 --> 01:00.694 MORE AND 01:00.694 --> 01:02.062 MORE UNEQUAL. 01:02.062 --> 01:02.663 INEQUALITY IS SO 01:02.663 --> 01:04.198 RAM PAN, IT'S 01:04.198 --> 01:06.700 AT 20S 01:06.700 --> 01:07.167 LEVEL, 01:07.167 --> 01:08.368 GATSBY 01:08.368 --> 01:08.769 REVISITED. 01:08.769 --> 01:09.870 AT THE SAME TIME, THE STRUCTURES 01:09.870 --> 01:11.171 THAT USED TO 01:11.171 --> 01:13.140 SUPPORT THE 01:13.140 --> 01:14.341 ASPIRATIONS OF ORDINARY PEOPLE 01:14.341 --> 01:15.876 IN GOVERNMENT, 01:15.876 --> 01:16.610 BANKING, CORE 01:16.610 --> 01:18.545 IRAQ, MEDIA, 01:18.545 --> 01:19.246 SCHOOLS HAVE 01:19.246 --> 01:19.613 ERODED 01:19.613 --> 01:20.848 TO PEOPLE ARE MORE AND MORE 01:20.848 --> 01:21.615 ALL 01:21.615 --> 01:23.083 ALONE AND THAT'S WHAT 01:23.083 --> 01:23.851 I FOUND 01:23.851 --> 01:25.085 WHEN I WENT TO MEET THE PEOPLE 01:25.085 --> 01:26.753 AND WRITE THE STORIES THAT MAKE 01:26.753 --> 01:27.454 UP THE 01:27.454 --> 01:27.955 UN-WIEBDING. 01:27.955 --> 01:28.956 >>BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, WHAT 01:28.956 --> 01:30.524 IS BEHIND THIS UNWINDING? 01:30.524 --> 01:31.425 WHAT IS BEHIND 01:31.425 --> 01:34.328 THIS 01:34.328 --> 01:34.728 DISSOLUTION 01:34.728 --> 01:36.096 OF THE STRUCTURES THAT CREATE A 01:36.096 --> 01:37.264 CENTER THAT MOST PEOPLE COULD 01:37.264 --> 01:38.265 RELATE TO? 01:38.265 --> 01:39.299 >>I THINK 01:39.299 --> 01:40.834 IN 01:40.834 --> 01:41.869 THOSE '70'S, 01:41.869 --> 01:42.836 THERE 01:42.836 --> 01:43.971 WAS A TURBULENCE IN THE 01:43.971 --> 01:44.338 ECONOMY 01:44.338 --> 01:45.939 AND THINGS WOULD SHAKE 01:45.939 --> 01:46.640 THEMSELVES 01:46.640 --> 01:47.608 OUT. 01:47.608 --> 01:48.609 DEINDUSTRIALIZATION TOOK AWAY 01:48.609 --> 01:49.910 THE GUARANTEE OF 01:49.910 --> 01:51.278 A 01:51.278 --> 01:51.979 DECENT-PAYING 01:51.979 --> 01:52.813 BLUE 01:52.813 --> 01:53.847 COLLAR JOB, 01:53.847 --> 01:54.314 INCLUDING 01:54.314 --> 01:55.616 AROUND HERE. 01:55.616 --> 01:58.051 AND AT THE SAME 01:58.051 --> 01:59.052 TIME, BUSINESSES 01:59.052 --> 02:00.153 AND BANKS BEGAN TO 02:00.153 --> 02:01.455 WANT TO SHAKE 02:01.455 --> 02:02.356 THEMSELVES 02:02.356 --> 02:03.657 LOOSE FROM THE SORT 02:03.657 --> 02:04.858 OF COMPACT THAT 02:04.858 --> 02:05.626 EXISTS BETWEEN 02:05.626 --> 02:06.727 BUSINESS LABOR AND 02:06.727 --> 02:07.394 GOVERNMENT IN 02:07.394 --> 02:08.662 THE POSTWAR 02:08.662 --> 02:08.996 PERIOD. 02:08.996 --> 02:10.497 THEY BEGAN TO SPEND A LOT OF 02:10.497 --> 02:12.366 MONEY ON 02:12.366 --> 02:12.799 LOBBYING. 02:12.799 --> 02:14.401 WASHINGTON BECAME A 02:14.401 --> 02:15.002 BIG-MONEY 02:15.002 --> 02:15.969 CITY THAT 02:15.969 --> 02:16.803 LOBBYISTS MORE AND 02:16.803 --> 02:18.005 MORE SEEMED 02:18.005 --> 02:19.173 TO CONTROL AND IN A 02:19.173 --> 02:21.041 SENSE IT HAPPENED BECAUSE IT 02:21.041 --> 02:22.009 COULD, BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE ABLE 02:22.009 --> 02:23.277 TO CHANGE THE NORMS AND 02:23.277 --> 02:24.444 RULES FS 02:24.444 --> 02:24.811 BEHAVIOR. 02:24.811 --> 02:25.712 WHAT WAS 02:25.712 --> 02:26.914 UN-THINK TABLE, 50 02:26.914 --> 02:27.181 OR 02:27.181 --> 02:28.682 40 YEARS AGO, A CSM . O 02:28.682 --> 02:29.149 GIVING 02:29.149 --> 02:30.284 HIMSELF A BIG 02:30.284 --> 02:31.485 RAISE WHILE LAYING 02:31.485 --> 02:32.653 OFF 20% OF HIS WORK FORCE 02:32.653 --> 02:33.287 IS 02:33.287 --> 02:34.755 NOW THE NORMAL WAY OF DOING 02:34.755 --> 02:35.122 BUSINESS. 02:35.122 --> 02:36.156 SO PARTLY IT'S 02:36.156 --> 02:36.857 TABOOS WERE 02:36.857 --> 02:38.058 BROKEN AND ONCE THAT HAPPENED, 02:38.058 --> 02:39.359 IT'S HARD TO RESTORE 02:39.359 --> 02:39.960 THEM. 02:39.960 --> 02:41.195 >>YOUR BOOK PROFILES 02:41.195 --> 02:41.862 A 02:41.862 --> 02:42.229 HANDFUL 02:42.229 --> 02:43.630 OF AMERICANS AND TO ILLUSTRATE 02:43.630 --> 02:45.999 SOME OF THIS, THERE ARE 02:45.999 --> 02:47.134 STRUGGLES IN RECENT YEAR, 02:47.134 --> 02:47.601 HOW 02:47.601 --> 02:49.369 DID YOU CHOOSE YOUR 02:49.369 --> 02:49.803 SUBJECTS? 02:49.803 --> 02:51.205 >>I WAS LOOKING FOR 02:51.205 --> 02:51.905 AMERICANS 02:51.905 --> 02:53.240 WHO, FIRST OF ALL, WERE WILLING 02:53.240 --> 02:54.541 TO LET ME HANG OUT WITH THEM 02:54.541 --> 02:55.108 FOR 02:55.108 --> 02:56.543 A LONG TIME BECAUSE TO DO THIS 02:56.543 --> 02:57.845 REPORTING AND WRITING, I HAD 02:57.845 --> 02:58.445 TO 02:58.445 --> 02:59.813 SPEND WEEKS WITH MY 02:59.813 --> 03:00.514 SUBJECTS AND 03:00.514 --> 03:02.249 THAT'S ASKING A LOT. 03:02.249 --> 03:02.950 PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO 03:02.950 --> 03:03.750 TALK ABOUT 03:03.750 --> 03:07.120 THEIR OWN 03:07.120 --> 03:08.055 LIVES AND KNEW HOW TO 03:08.055 --> 03:09.056 DO 03:09.056 --> 03:09.990 IT AND PEOPLE WHO'S 03:09.990 --> 03:11.358 LIVES 03:11.358 --> 03:12.226 MOVED TO THE PULSE OF HISTORY IN 03:12.226 --> 03:12.826 THIS GENERATION. 03:12.826 --> 03:14.228 THE BOOK FOLLOWS THESE 03:14.228 --> 03:16.296 CHARACTERS FROM THE 03:16.296 --> 03:16.663 LATE '70S 03:16.663 --> 03:17.931 UNTIL TODAY, CUTTING BETWEEN 03:17.931 --> 03:18.932 THEIR STORIES. 03:18.932 --> 03:20.367 I WAS LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO 03:20.367 --> 03:21.602 LIVED OUT THEIR ADULT LIVES 03:21.602 --> 03:22.002 IN 03:22.002 --> 03:23.971 THIS 03:23.971 --> 03:24.705 PERIOD AND WHOSE 03:24.705 --> 03:25.072 CAREERS 03:25.072 --> 03:25.973 AND IDEAS 03:25.973 --> 03:28.242 AND EVEN PERSONAL 03:28.242 --> 03:29.476 LIVES WERE SHAPED BY 03:29.476 --> 03:29.977 THINGS 03:29.977 --> 03:30.644 LIKE 03:30.644 --> 03:32.412 DEREGULATION AND THE DECLINE OF 03:32.412 --> 03:33.747 MANUFACTURING AND THE 03:33.747 --> 03:34.214 RISE OF 03:34.214 --> 03:35.282 THE INFORMATION AGE. 03:35.282 --> 03:36.316 SO IT TOOK 03:36.316 --> 03:37.251 A CERTAIN KIND OF 03:37.251 --> 03:38.919 PERSON TO MEET ALL OF THOSE 03:38.919 --> 03:39.887 CRITERIA AND I FOUND THEM. 03:39.887 --> 03:41.255 >>THE BOOK OPENS AND CLOSESES 03:41.255 --> 03:42.289 WITH A MAN 03:42.289 --> 03:43.657 NAMED DEAN PRICE THAT 03:43.657 --> 03:44.625 GROUP UP IN NORTH CAROLINA. 03:44.625 --> 03:45.425 HE 03:45.425 --> 03:48.195 STARTED A CHAIN OF GAS 03:48.195 --> 03:48.595 STATIONS BUT MOVED 03:48.595 --> 03:49.096 INTO 03:49.096 --> 03:49.696 SOMETHING ELSE. 03:49.696 --> 03:51.565 >>HE LVED IN RURAL NORTH 03:51.565 --> 03:52.332 CAROLINA, A 03:52.332 --> 03:53.500 VERY CONSERVATIVE 03:53.500 --> 03:54.434 AREA, AND 03:54.434 --> 03:55.235 OWNED TRUCK 03:55.235 --> 03:56.270 STOPS WITH 03:56.270 --> 03:57.271 FAST FOOD 03:57.271 --> 03:58.338 RESTAURANTS AND FOUND 03:58.338 --> 04:00.040 WAL-MART AND BIG OIL 04:00.040 --> 04:00.474 AND 04:00.474 --> 04:01.675 MULTINATIONAL COMPANIES WERE 04:01.675 --> 04:02.676 SQUEEZING HIM OUT AND SQUEEZING 04:02.676 --> 04:04.077 OUT THE LIFE, 04:04.077 --> 04:05.312 REALLY, OF THE 04:05.312 --> 04:06.513 ECONOMIES OF THESE LITTLE 04:06.513 --> 04:07.481 TOWNS. 04:07.481 --> 04:08.148 AND 04:08.148 --> 04:08.749 HE 04:08.749 --> 04:09.983 FINALLY HAD 04:09.983 --> 04:10.517 AN 04:10.517 --> 04:12.119 EPIPHANY. 04:12.119 --> 04:12.719 THIS IS 04:12.719 --> 04:14.021 A VERY 04:14.021 --> 04:14.421 SPIRITUAL MAN 04:14.421 --> 04:14.888 AND 04:14.888 --> 04:15.789 HE HAD A 04:15.789 --> 04:17.891 N EPIPHANY THAT THE 04:17.891 --> 04:19.226 ANSWER TO THE 04:19.226 --> 04:20.127 FALL OF THE 04:20.127 --> 04:21.395 COUNTRYSIDE WHERE HE 04:21.395 --> 04:21.895 LIVED, 04:21.895 --> 04:22.529 LAY 04:22.529 --> 04:24.364 RIGHT NEEM HIS 04:24.364 --> 04:25.432 FEET, 04:25.432 --> 04:26.366 CANOLA 04:26.366 --> 04:27.334 SEEDS, WASTE OIL FROM 04:27.334 --> 04:28.635 RESTAURANTS, THE MOST HUMBLE 04:28.635 --> 04:30.003 THINGS OF DAILY LIFE COULD 04:30.003 --> 04:31.538 BE 04:31.538 --> 04:31.805 CONVERTED 04:31.805 --> 04:32.940 INTO BIO 04:32.940 --> 04:33.340 DIESEL. 04:33.340 --> 04:34.942 HIS MISSION 04:34.942 --> 04:35.142 IS T 04:35.142 --> 04:36.176 O GET ALL OF TH 04:36.176 --> 04:36.710 E 04:36.710 --> 04:39.813 PUBLIC SCHOOL 04:39.813 --> 04:40.981 BUSES IN NORTH 04:40.981 --> 04:41.682 CAROLINA TO SAVE MONEY AND 04:41.682 --> 04:42.049 THE 04:42.049 --> 04:44.484 ENVIRONMENT AND TO MAKE HIS OWN 04:44.484 --> 04:44.885 FORTUNE. 04:44.885 --> 04:46.153 >>IT'S A REAL AMERICAN STORY. 04:46.153 --> 04:47.454 >>HOW IS THAT EXPERIMENT 04:47.454 --> 04:47.821 GOING 04:47.821 --> 04:48.655 FOR HIM? 04:48.655 --> 04:50.290 >>HE'S HAD A HARD TIME OF 04:50.290 --> 04:50.624 IT. 04:50.624 --> 04:51.758 HE'S HAD TO DOE 04:51.758 --> 04:53.193 CLEAR PERSON 04:53.193 --> 04:54.328 BANKRUPTCY, BUSINESS BANKRUPTCY. 04:54.328 --> 04:55.362 HE HAD A 04:55.362 --> 04:56.363 CLOSED LOOP 04:56.363 --> 04:57.831 GAS STATION 04:57.831 --> 04:58.599 THAT 04:58.599 --> 04:59.032 SOLD BIO 04:59.032 --> 05:00.200 BEEZLE TO 05:00.200 --> 05:00.734 TRUCKS. 05:00.734 --> 05:02.069 HIS PARTNERSHIP BROKE UP. 05:02.069 --> 05:03.437 HE HAD LOW MOMENTED AND I 05:03.437 --> 05:04.037 THINK 05:04.037 --> 05:07.508 HE ALMOST QUIT BUT HE WAS 05:07.508 --> 05:08.442 STUDENTED BY THIS AMERICAN 05:08.442 --> 05:08.842 FAITH 05:08.842 --> 05:10.143 IN HIS OWN ABILITY TO SHAPE 05:10.143 --> 05:10.911 HIS 05:10.911 --> 05:11.945 DESTINY WITHOUT THE STRUCTURE 05:11.945 --> 05:12.980 THAT USED TO 05:12.980 --> 05:13.881 SUPPORT MIDDLE 05:13.881 --> 05:14.648 CLASS LIFE. 05:14.648 --> 05:15.582 SO HE IS 05:15.582 --> 05:16.550 STILL GOING AROUND 05:16.550 --> 05:18.118 NORTH CAROLINA LIKE A 05:18.118 --> 05:18.585 JOHNNY 05:18.585 --> 05:19.887 APPLE SEED TRYING 05:19.887 --> 05:20.521 TO CONVERT 05:20.521 --> 05:21.355 SCHOOL 05:21.355 --> 05:22.789 BOARDS AWND COUNT 05:22.789 --> 05:23.257 COMMISSIONS. 05:23.257 --> 05:24.424 >>BACK TO THE ISSUE OF 05:24.424 --> 05:24.925 THE 05:24.925 --> 05:26.026 DIS-LUGGAGES TO THESE 05:26.026 --> 05:26.793 INSTITUTIONS AND STRUCTURES THAT 05:26.793 --> 05:28.061 USED TO HOLE PEOPLE 05:28.061 --> 05:28.428 TOGETHER, 05:28.428 --> 05:30.030 USED TO CREATE A CENTER, 05:30.030 --> 05:30.697 WAS 05:30.697 --> 05:33.667 THERE DISSOLUTION 05:33.667 --> 05:34.301 CAUSED BY MELT 05:34.301 --> 05:36.370 OR THE EVOLUTION OF 05:36.370 --> 05:36.870 IDEAS? 05:36.870 --> 05:38.872 >>I THINK 05:38.872 --> 05:40.440 IT WAS MASSIVE 05:40.440 --> 05:41.041 FORCES, 05:41.041 --> 05:41.708 GLOBALIZATION IS 05:41.708 --> 05:42.342 ONE, 05:42.342 --> 05:43.577 THE INFORMATION AGE, WHICH 05:43.577 --> 05:44.111 HAS 05:44.111 --> 05:45.279 LAID WASTE TO 05:45.279 --> 05:46.113 THE SIX NUMBES, 05:46.113 --> 05:47.648 THAT USED TO BE AMONG THE 05:47.648 --> 05:48.982 PILLARS OF EVERY COMMUNITY IN 05:48.982 --> 05:49.883 THIS COUNTRY. 05:49.883 --> 05:51.351 AND IT USED TO GIVE 05:51.351 --> 05:52.186 A KIND OF 05:52.186 --> 05:53.754 COHESION TO LIFE. 05:53.754 --> 05:54.555 PEOPLE HAD DEEP 05:54.555 --> 05:55.255 POLITICAL 05:55.255 --> 05:56.223 DISAGREEMENTS AND HATED EACH 05:56.223 --> 05:57.491 OTHER BUT THEY WERE 05:57.491 --> 05:58.225 STARTING 05:58.225 --> 05:59.760 FROM A COMMON SET OF FACTS 05:59.760 --> 06:00.928 PRESENTED BY TIME MAGAZINE O 06:00.928 --> 06:01.495 R 06:01.495 --> 06:02.696 WALTER CHRON CIT ON THE 06:02.696 --> 06:03.096 CBS 06:03.096 --> 06:03.897 EVENING NEWS. 06:03.897 --> 06:05.132 WE NOW LIVE IN THIS 06:05.132 --> 06:07.534 AGE WHERE 06:07.534 --> 06:08.836 EVERYTHING IS 06:08.836 --> 06:09.369 ITEMIZED AND 06:09.369 --> 06:10.437 EVERYONE HAS 06:10.437 --> 06:11.672 TO 06:11.672 --> 06:12.272 BE AN 06:12.272 --> 06:13.340 ENTREPRENEUR AND MAKE THEMSELVES 06:13.340 --> 06:14.341 OVER BECAUSE THERE'S NO SUCH 06:14.341 --> 06:16.143 THING AS A SECURE JOB. 06:16.143 --> 06:16.977 IN THIS 06:16.977 --> 06:17.778 TURBULENCE, THERE'S A 06:17.778 --> 06:19.046 LOT OF INSECURITY AND A LOT 06:19.046 --> 06:19.680 OF 06:19.680 --> 06:21.014 PEOPLE GET LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE 06:21.014 --> 06:22.482 IT'S NOT EASY TO 06:22.482 --> 06:23.984 NAVIGATE THESE 06:23.984 --> 06:24.484 REALLY ROUGH 06:24.484 --> 06:24.985 WATERS. 06:24.985 --> 06:26.587 >>OTHER PIECES HAVE TO DO WITH 06:26.587 --> 06:28.655 CELEBRITIES LIKE OPRAH AND YOU 06:28.655 --> 06:28.989 WRITE 06:28.989 --> 06:30.157 THAT OUR AGE 06:30.157 --> 06:30.724 IS, 06:30.724 --> 06:31.525 QUOTE, 06:31.525 --> 06:32.693 LOUSY WITH CELEBRITIES. 06:32.693 --> 06:34.194 WHAT'S WRONG WITH CELEBRITIES? 06:34.194 --> 06:35.395 >>I LIKE CELEBRITIES AS 06:35.395 --> 06:36.196 MUCH AS 06:36.196 --> 06:37.631 ANY 06:37.631 --> 06:37.998 AMERICAN, 06:37.998 --> 06:39.733 ESPECIALLY 06:39.733 --> 06:40.300 ATHLETES, BUT WHAT'S 06:40.300 --> 06:40.868 WRONG, THEY 06:40.868 --> 06:42.936 HAVE TAKEN THE PLACE OF OUR 06:42.936 --> 06:43.504 INSTITUTIONS. 06:43.504 --> 06:44.838 WE USED 06:44.838 --> 06:45.539 TO HAVE 06:45.539 --> 06:45.939 THRIEWFING 06:45.939 --> 06:47.107 SCHOOL SYSTEMS. 06:47.107 --> 06:48.208 WE HAD A THRIVING 06:48.208 --> 06:50.744 BOOK CULTURE. 06:50.744 --> 06:50.944 WE 06:50.944 --> 06:52.179 HAD A GOOD 06:52.179 --> 06:53.046 PUBLIC HEALTH 06:53.046 --> 06:54.214 SYSTEM AND NOW, 06:54.214 --> 06:55.215 WE 06:55.215 --> 06:55.816 HAVE 06:55.816 --> 06:57.217 MARK ZUM 06:57.217 --> 06:58.151 BERG RESCUING THE 06:58.151 --> 07:00.687 NEWER PUBLIC 07:00.687 --> 07:01.722 SCHOOLS, OPRAH WINFREY R 07:01.722 --> 07:02.256 ESCUING 07:02.256 --> 07:03.457 BOOK PUBLISHING AND 07:03.457 --> 07:04.558 BILL GATES 07:04.558 --> 07:05.325 RESCUING PUBLIC HEALTH. 07:05.325 --> 07:06.827 WHEN IT GETS 07:06.827 --> 07:07.327 PERSONALIZED 07:07.327 --> 07:07.961 AND 07:07.961 --> 07:09.229 CONCENTRATED IN THE HAN OF AN 07:09.229 --> 07:11.265 INDIVIDUAL, IT 07:11.265 --> 07:16.170 BECOMES VERY 07:16.170 --> 07:16.837 MARCURIAL, AND 07:16.837 --> 07:17.337 BUREAUCRACY 07:17.337 --> 07:18.605 CREATES A LEVEL PLAYING 07:18.605 --> 07:19.406 FIELD 07:19.406 --> 07:21.041 WHERE EVERYONE PLAYS BY THE SAME 07:21.041 --> 07:22.042 RULES REGARDLESS OF TOUR STATION 07:22.042 --> 07:23.610 IN LIFE. 07:23.610 --> 07:24.645 ONCE THOSE COLLAPSE, MORE 07:24.645 --> 07:25.479 AND 07:25.479 --> 07:26.780 MORE, YOU'RE AT THE MERCY OF 07:26.780 --> 07:27.181 WHO 07:27.181 --> 07:28.415 YOU KNOW, WHICH IS THE 07:28.415 --> 07:29.383 WORLD OF 07:29.383 --> 07:30.651 OUR CELEBRITY ELITES WHO 07:30.651 --> 07:31.084 LIVE 07:31.084 --> 07:32.486 LIKE GODS WHO GET MORE 07:32.486 --> 07:34.221 AND MORE 07:34.221 --> 07:34.955 POWERFUL AND WE WORSHIP THEM 07:34.955 --> 07:36.623 MORE AND MORE BECAUSE OF THE OLD 07:36.623 --> 07:37.991 INSTITUTIONS THAT USED 07:37.991 --> 07:38.458 TO 07:38.458 --> 07:40.627 CHANNEL ORDINARY 07:40.627 --> 07:41.028 PEOPLE'S AS 07:41.028 --> 07:42.496 TEACHER PIR EIGHTS DON'T SEEM TO 07:42.496 --> 07:43.964 WORK VERY WELL. 07:43.964 --> 07:44.831 >>IS IT IS 07:44.831 --> 07:45.465 CHANGE REGARDING 07:45.465 --> 07:46.600 CELEBRITIES BECAUSE IN THE PAST 07:46.600 --> 07:48.368 THERE WERE PEOPLE LIKE 07:48.368 --> 07:48.702 ANDREW 07:48.702 --> 07:50.904 CAR 07:50.904 --> 07:54.675 CAR 07:54.675 --> 07:55.042 CARNEGIE. 07:55.042 --> 07:57.744 HAS THERE BEEN A SHIFT? 07:57.744 --> 07:58.178 >>I 07:58.178 --> 07:59.012 THINK 07:59.012 --> 07:59.780 MODERN CELEBRITY 07:59.780 --> 08:00.647 BEGAN IN 08:00.647 --> 08:01.882 THE '20S WITH CINEMA 08:01.882 --> 08:03.650 AND RADIO AND 08:03.650 --> 08:04.651 ADVERTISING, BUT 08:04.651 --> 08:05.986 IN THE PERIOD 08:05.986 --> 08:06.553 I THINK O 08:06.553 --> 08:08.222 F AS THE 08:08.222 --> 08:10.290 ROOSEVELT 08:10.290 --> 08:12.159 REPUBLIC, THERE WAS 08:12.159 --> 08:13.927 JOE DEMAJ 08:13.927 --> 08:14.895 JOE, PERRY 08:14.895 --> 08:15.429 COMO BUT 08:15.429 --> 08:16.997 THEY WERE THIS THEIR PLACE. 08:16.997 --> 08:24.204 THEY HAD THEIR SESSION IN 08:24.204 --> 08:24.671 PROBLEMS. 08:24.671 --> 08:25.772 PEOPLE ROSE WITH 08:25.772 --> 08:27.074 THEM. 08:27.074 --> 08:28.742 NOW, THEY'RE THE MAIN NEAR 08:28.742 --> 08:29.109 ACTIVITY. 08:29.109 --> 08:30.677 THEY'RE WHAT FILLS THE 08:30.677 --> 08:31.178 NEWS. 08:31.178 --> 08:32.679 THEY'RE WHAT SHAPES NATIONAL 08:32.679 --> 08:34.047 LIFE MORE 08:34.047 --> 08:34.515 THAN THE 08:34.515 --> 08:35.415 VOICES OF 08:35.415 --> 08:36.083 ORDINARY PEOPLE. 08:36.083 --> 08:37.317 AND I THINK IT IS A 08:37.317 --> 08:38.151 REVERTING TO 08:38.151 --> 08:39.353 SOMETHING OLDER, LIKE 08:39.353 --> 08:40.988 THE 08:40.988 --> 08:41.455 CARNEGIE 08:41.455 --> 08:42.022 PERIOD. 08:42.022 --> 08:43.190 IT'S NOT -- I 08:43.190 --> 08:44.024 MEAN, IT 08:44.024 --> 08:44.691 HAD IT'S 08:44.691 --> 08:46.360 WONDERFUL THINGS LIKE TRAINS AND 08:46.360 --> 08:47.628 LIBRARIES BUT IT WAS 08:47.628 --> 08:48.462 AN UNEQUAL 08:48.462 --> 08:49.696 AND FAIR AMERICA AND MY 08:49.696 --> 08:50.063 FEELING 08:50.063 --> 08:51.331 IS WE HAVE BECOME MORE LIKE 08:51.331 --> 08:51.665 THAT 08:51.665 --> 08:52.833 AMERICA AGAIN AND WE DON'T SEEM 08:52.833 --> 08:54.768 TO BE TURNING AWAY FROM IT. 08:54.768 --> 08:56.270 >>THE PREMISE OF THE BOOK IS 08:56.270 --> 08:56.703 THE 08:56.703 --> 08:58.472 UN-WHINING OF 08:58.472 --> 08:59.239 INSTIETIONS. 08:59.239 --> 09:00.140 ANY 09:00.140 --> 09:02.342 OPTIMISM IS SPITE OF 09:02.342 --> 09:02.910 THIS? 09:02.910 --> 09:04.211 >>THE BOOK IS A BIG NEAR 09:04.211 --> 09:04.578 ACTIVITY. 09:04.578 --> 09:05.946 WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS 09:05.946 --> 09:07.147 CREATE 09:07.147 --> 09:07.447 A 09:07.447 --> 09:10.951 PAN 09:10.951 --> 09:12.219 PANORAMIC PICTURE 09:12.219 --> 09:12.619 FOLLOWING 09:12.619 --> 09:13.253 THESE CHARACTERS. 09:13.253 --> 09:14.688 SO IT ISN'T A BOOK OF 09:14.688 --> 09:15.088 ARGUMENTS 09:15.088 --> 09:16.256 AND POLICY 09:16.256 --> 09:16.823 PROPOSALS. 09:16.823 --> 09:17.958 THE HOPE I FIND 09:17.958 --> 09:19.126 IS WHEN I'M 09:19.126 --> 09:20.260 HANGING OUT WITH DEAN 09:20.260 --> 09:21.195 PRICE, THE 09:21.195 --> 09:22.596 BIO FUELS ENTREPRENEUR OR 09:22.596 --> 09:23.197 TAMMY 09:23.197 --> 09:24.932 THOMAS, WHO WORKED IN AUTO 09:24.932 --> 09:26.700 PARTS 09:26.700 --> 09:27.234 FACTORY IN 09:27.234 --> 09:28.268 YOUNGSTOWN FOR 20 09:28.268 --> 09:30.404 YEARS BEFORE LOSING HER JOB AND 09:30.404 --> 09:31.638 REMAKING HERSELF 09:31.638 --> 09:32.739 AS A COMMUNITY 09:32.739 --> 09:33.740 ORGANIZER FOR 09:33.740 --> 09:34.675 THE 09:34.675 --> 09:35.209 LEX OF 09:35.209 --> 09:35.843 PRESIDENT OBAMA. 09:35.843 --> 09:36.977 THESE ARE RESILIENT 09:36.977 --> 09:37.444 AND 09:37.444 --> 09:39.012 CERTAINLY FROM GIVING UP, THEY 09:39.012 --> 09:40.047 KEEP MAKING 09:40.047 --> 09:40.948 NEWESTS BECAUSE THEY 09:40.948 --> 09:42.115 SEE IF THEY DON'T T 09:42.115 --> 09:42.649 RY, NOTHING 09:42.649 --> 09:43.817 WILL DO IT FOR THEM. 09:43.817 --> 09:44.785 THEY'RE ON THEIR OWN. 09:44.785 --> 09:46.053 THEY ARE NOT 09:46.053 --> 09:46.420 LEAVING. 09:46.420 --> 09:47.921 THEY'RE STICKING IN THEIR 09:47.921 --> 09:49.523 COMMUNITIES AND TRY TO 09:49.523 --> 09:50.858 REVIVE 09:50.858 --> 09:51.425 THEM. 09:51.425 --> 09:52.793 YOU FIND END OF WHERE YOU GO 09:52.793 --> 09:53.527 YOU 09:53.527 --> 09:54.661 HAVE TO LOOK FOR THEM. 09:54.661 --> 09:55.796 IT'S NOT IN THE 09:55.796 --> 09:56.630 MEDIA BECAUSE 09:56.630 --> 09:57.831 THEY'RE WOULD BEDAZZLED B 09:57.831 --> 09:58.632 Y THE 09:58.632 --> 09:59.833 POWER CENTERS AND WET BUT 09:59.833 --> 10:00.200 IT'S 10:00.200 --> 10:01.435 THERE AND IN THE 10:01.435 --> 10:02.002 ABSENCE OF 10:02.002 --> 10:03.270 STRUCTURAL CHANGE OR 10:03.270 --> 10:04.104 INSTITUTIONAL SUPPORT, I THINK 10:04.104 --> 10:05.138 THAT'S WHERE 10:05.138 --> 10:08.108 I FIND 10:08.108 --> 10:08.976 GLIMMERS OF 10:08.976 --> 10:09.376 HOPE. 10:09.376 --> 10:11.111 >>YOU ELUDED TO THE FACT THAT 10:11.111 --> 10:12.479 ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN THE 10:12.479 --> 10:12.846 PROFILE 10:12.846 --> 10:14.815 WENT TO WORK FOR THE PRESIDENT'S 10:14.815 --> 10:15.315 LEX. 10:15.315 --> 10:16.483 TO WHAT EXTENT 10:16.483 --> 10:17.184 TO ANY 10:17.184 --> 10:17.551 PRESIDENT 10:17.551 --> 10:18.819 HAVE CONTROL OF FORCES YOU'RE 10:18.819 --> 10:19.853 TALKING ABOUT? 10:19.853 --> 10:21.755 >>I THINK LES AND 10:21.755 --> 10:24.458 LES. 10:24.458 --> 10:25.792 ROOSEVELT AND 10:25.792 --> 10:26.026 REAGAN 10:26.026 --> 10:26.793 WERE ABLE 10:26.793 --> 10:28.395 TO SHAPE THE RHETORIC 10:28.395 --> 10:28.929 AND THE 10:28.929 --> 10:30.330 REALITY OF LIFE IN AMERICA 10:30.330 --> 10:30.831 MORE 10:30.831 --> 10:31.665 THAN PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS BEEN 10:31.665 --> 10:31.999 ABLE TO. 10:31.999 --> 10:33.133 HE WOULD HAVE BEEN, 10:33.133 --> 10:34.101 I THINK, A 10:34.101 --> 10:35.736 GREAT PRESIDENT AT A DIFT TIME, 10:35.736 --> 10:37.171 BUT HE CAME INTO POWER 10:37.171 --> 10:38.172 WITH THE 10:38.172 --> 10:39.239 LEVERS OF POWER, NOT 10:39.239 --> 10:39.873 REALLY 10:39.873 --> 10:40.240 WORKING. 10:40.240 --> 10:41.608 YOU COULD PULL ON IT WITH BUT 10:41.608 --> 10:42.976 DOES IT RESPOND? 10:42.976 --> 10:44.411 DOES THE SENATE ALLOW YOU TO 10:44.411 --> 10:45.078 GET 10:45.078 --> 10:46.213 LEGISLATION THROUGH OR IS IT 10:46.213 --> 10:47.447 BECAUSE OF THE ABUSE OF 10:47.447 --> 10:48.782 THE 10:48.782 --> 10:49.883 FILIBUSTER, THE LEAST DEMOCRATIC 10:49.883 --> 10:50.717 BODY 10:50.717 --> 10:51.685 IN ANY 10:51.685 --> 10:52.319 DEMOCRACICY I'M 10:52.319 --> 10:52.986 AWARE OF? 10:52.986 --> 10:54.955 THE BANKS HAVE SUCH 10:54.955 --> 10:55.689 POWER 10:55.689 --> 10:56.089 ON 10:56.089 --> 10:58.292 EXIL AND 10:58.292 --> 10:58.892 CAPITOL 10:58.892 --> 11:00.194 HILL AND THAT'S THE 11:00.194 --> 11:01.261 STORY OF THE BIDEN AID WHO 11:01.261 --> 11:02.162 WAS A 11:02.162 --> 11:03.363 LOBBY UNFORTUNATE. 11:03.363 --> 11:04.231 HE SAW 11:04.231 --> 11:05.599 BETTER THAN ANYONE 11:05.599 --> 11:05.866 HOW 11:05.866 --> 11:07.201 WALL STREET HAD COME IN SOME 11:07.201 --> 11:08.869 WAYS TO OWN WASHINGTON AND 11:08.869 --> 11:09.203 IS 11:09.203 --> 11:10.504 MUCH AS OBAMA TRIED 11:10.504 --> 11:11.572 TO REFORM 11:11.572 --> 11:13.173 THAT WITH LEGISLATION, IT JUST 11:13.173 --> 11:14.141 SEEMS TO BE STRONGER 11:14.141 --> 11:15.042 THAN A 11:15.042 --> 11:16.877 PRESIDENT THESE 11:16.877 --> 11:17.177 DAY. 11:17.177 --> 11:18.212 THE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW, THE 11:18.212 --> 11:19.513 WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN SORT 11:19.513 --> 11:20.781 OF 11:20.781 --> 11:21.815 ELIPSED BY THESE 11:21.815 --> 11:22.816 MUCH 11:22.816 --> 11:23.183 MORE 11:23.183 --> 11:24.451 POWERFUL FORCES LIKE THE 11:24.451 --> 11:25.752 INTERNET AND LIKE 11:25.752 --> 11:26.220 CORPORATIONS 11:26.220 --> 11:26.987 AND BANKS. 11:26.987 --> 11:28.355 >>WHAT IS IT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO 11:28.355 --> 11:29.556 TAKE AWAY FROM YOUR 11:29.556 --> 11:30.090 BOOK? 11:30.090 --> 11:31.325 >>I WANT THEM TO READ 11:31.325 --> 11:32.693 IT WITH 11:32.693 --> 11:33.460 THE PLEASURE OF 11:33.460 --> 11:34.995 READING A 11:34.995 --> 11:35.929 NOVELISTIC 11:35.929 --> 11:36.230 WORK 11:36.230 --> 11:37.130 OF HISTORY AND I 11:37.130 --> 11:38.532 WANT THEM 11:38.532 --> 11:39.132 TO SIMPLY FEEL 11:39.132 --> 11:39.533 WHAT 11:39.533 --> 11:40.767 IT'S LIKE TO HAVE 11:40.767 --> 11:41.268 LIVED IN 11:41.268 --> 11:42.736 AMERICA DURING THIS TIME, 11:42.736 --> 11:43.537 TO SEE 11:43.537 --> 11:45.172 WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE 11:45.172 --> 11:45.606 ARE NOW. 11:45.606 --> 11:46.874 I WANT 11:46.874 --> 11:47.574 IT TO 11:47.574 --> 11:48.308 BE A 11:48.308 --> 11:49.076 MIRE PEOPLE 11:49.076 --> 11:51.478 CAN LOOK INTO AND SAY, THIS IS 11:51.478 --> 11:51.778 RIGHT. 11:51.778 --> 11:53.480 IT DIDN'T DOESN'T ME EXACTLY 11:53.480 --> 11:54.848 WHAT TO DO 11:54.848 --> 11:55.148 BUT 11:55.148 --> 11:56.350 IT SHOWS ME ONE 11:56.350 --> 11:57.751 TRUTH ABOUT WHERE THE COUNTRY 11:57.751 --> 11:58.552 IS 11:58.552 --> 11:59.353 TODAY. 11:59.353 --> 12:00.721 IF I'VE DONE THAT, I'VE 12:00.721 --> 12:01.088 ACHIEVED 12:01.088 --> 12:02.089 MY 12:02.089 --> 12:02.689 AIM. 12:02.689 --> 12:04.024 >>GEORGE PACKER, THANK YOU SO 12:04.024 --> 12:05.125 MUCH FOR STOPPING B 12:05.125 --> 12:05.592 Y. 12:05.592 --> 12:06.760 >>MY PLEASURE. 12:06.760 --> 12:08.262 >>AGAIN, THE BOOK IS THE 12:08.262 --> 12:09.563 UN-WIEBDING AND INNER HISTORY OF 12:09.563 --> 12:10.797 THE NEW AMERICA. 12:10.797 --> 12:12.799 YOU CAN READ AN EXCERPT ON OUR 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