"CHARLOTTESVILLE INSIDE-OUT,"
COMMITTED TO EXPLORING THE
PEOPLE, PLACES AND QUALITY OF
LIFE THAT UNIQUELY DEFINE
CHARLOTTESVILLE AND ITS
SURROUNDINGS.
AND BY VIEWERS LIKE YOU.
THANK YOU.
>> I DON'T REALIZE HARVEY IS 88
YEARS OLD.
I REMEMBER IN HIGH SCHOOL,
SCOUTS AND THE UNIVERSITY.
>> TERRI ALLARD: FOR WHTJ, I'M
TERRI ALLARD AND THIS IS
"CHARLOTTESVILLE INSIDE-OUT."
♪♪♪♪
>> GOOD JOB KEEPING THE BLADES
OFF THE WATER THERE, YOU ONLY
NEED AN INCH OFF THE WATER, GOOD
JOB.
>> TODAY WE'RE GOING TO LEARN
ABOUT A GROUP THAT PROVIDES
ORGANIZED INSTRUCTION AND
PARTICIPATION FOR PEOPLE OF ALL
LEVELS AND EXPERIENCE IN AN
EXCITING OLYMPIC WATER SPORT
THAT DATES BACK TO ANCIENT
EGYPTIAN TIMES.
JOIN US AS WE VISIT THE RIVANNA
ROWING CLUB, COME ON!
>> THEY'RE PEOPLE HERE FROM ALL
KINDS OF AREAS OF
CHARLOTTESVILLE, ALL WALKS OF
LIFE AND THIS IS SORT OF THE
GREAT LEVELER OUT HERE.
YOU CAN BE HOTSY TOTSY OUT THERE
AND YOU CAN COME HERE AND YOU'RE
STILL STRUGGLING FOR THE STROKE
SO IT'S A WONDERFUL COMBINATION.
>> I'D SAY THE MOST CHALLENGING
PART OF BEING A SKULLER IS THAT
YOU ONLY HAVE YOURSELF TO BLAME
IF THINGS DON'T GO WELL.
YOU CAN USUALLY FIGURE OUT WHATS
GOING WRONG IF IT'S NOT SET
RIGHT OR YOU'RE A LITTLE
OFF-BALANCE OR YOU'RE NOT GOING
AS FAST AS YOU WANT TO GO.
AS I LIKE TO SAY MY BOAT IS A
LOT FASTER THAN I AM.
>> TERRI: SO JOHN, WHAT'S
INVOLVED IN THE SPORT OF ROWING,
HOW DOES IT WORK?
>> JOHN: BASICALLY YOU'VE GOT A
PERSON OR PEOPLE IN A BOAT USING
OARS TO MAKE THE BOAT GO.
>> TERRI: OKAY, SO THERE'S TWO
DIFFERENT WAYS.
YOU COULD HAVE JUST ONE - ONE
PARTICIPANT.
AND THEN HOW MANY ARE IN THE
BOAT?
>> JOHN: SO FOR OUR, OUR
MASTER'S PROGRAMS WE HAVE, WE
USE SUITE BOATS WHICH IS EVERY
PERSON HAS ONE OAR AND THAT'S
WHAT WE WOULD SEE IN COLLEGE
TEAMS OR IN THE OLYMPICS.
THAT'S WHAT OUR LEARNED TO ROW
PROGRAM USES IN WHICH CASE YOU
TYPICALLY HAVE FOUR TO EIGHT
PEOPLE IN A BOAT MAKING IT GO.
>> TERRI: WHAT IS THE LEARN TO
ROW PROGRAM?
>> JOHN: SO IT'S A PROGRAM WE
HAVE EVERY SPRING, IT'S SORT OF
THE MAIN, OUR MAIN FOCUS OF THE
COMMUNITY TO GET PEOPLE EXPOSED
TO ROWING, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF
SESSIONS BOTH MORNING AND
EVENING WHERE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE CAN COME
OUT AND LEARN TO DO THE STROKE
FIRST ON THE ROWING MACHINE AND
ULTIMATELY END UP IN ONE OF
THESE BIG BOATS DOING IT
THEMSELVES.
>> ASHLEY GALE: COME ON,
EXAGGERATE IT, I WANT TO SEE
SOME BACKSPLASH HERE.
THERE WE GO!
>> CATHY O'HARA: I JUST STARTED
ROWING THIS SUMMER IN THE LEARN
TO ROW PROGRAM.
IT'S A LOT OF MULTI-TASKING,
PULLING IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION
AND DOING THIS AND IT'S HARD.
>> ASHLEY GALE: SO WE'VE HAD
SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE KIND OF
CONFUSED ABOUT SWITCHING BETWEEN
DIFFERENT ROWERS.
SO WE DO A LOT OF WORK WITH LESS
THAN A FULL BOAT BECAUSE IT
KEEPS THE BOAT MORE STABLE, KIND
OF LIKE TRAINING WHEELS BECAUSE
THE OARS ON THE WATER ARE LIKE
THE TRAINING WHEELS RIGHT NOW
AND WE CAN, THEY CAN FOCUS ON
THEIR TECHNIQUE WITHOUT HAVING
TO WORRY ABOUT KEEPING IT SET
BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S A
REALLY SKINNY BOAT, IT'S HARD TO
KEEP STABLE.
>> DAVID PATTERSON: THE COOL
THING ABOUT THE BOATS IS THAT
THEY ARE RAZOR THIN, YOU'RE ON
THE WATER AND YOU'RE GOING LEFT
AND RIGHT A WHOLE BUNCH SO
KEEPING YOUR BALANCE IS
IMPORTANT.
IN ORDER TO DO THAT YOU HAVE
YOUR FEET STRAPPED IN TO THE
BOAT SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY FIRMLY
TIED DOWN IN TO THE BOAT,
ANOTHER NEAT PART IS THAT THE
SEAT ACTUALLY ROLLS BACK AND
FORTH SO IT'S A REALLY COOL
CONTRAPTION BUT WHEN IT COMES
TOGETHER, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
>> TERRI: SO WHAT ARE THE ROLES
WHEN YOU HAVE FOUR OR EIGHT
DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN A BOAT?
>> JOHN: BASICALLY, IT'S VERY
MUCH A TEAM SPORT WHERE
EVERYONE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR
MOVING TOGETHER, KEEPING THE
OARS LEVEL SO THAT THE BOAT SITS
EVEN SO IT'S NOT GOING TO ONE
SIDE OR THE OTHER.
EVERYBODY'S JOB IS TO PUSH HARD
WHEN THE OARS ARE IN THE WATER
TO MAKE THE BOAT GO FAST.
AT A HIGHER LEVEL, THE MORE
AT A HIGHER LEVEL, THE MORE
TECHNICAL PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE GOOD AT SETTING A
CONSTANT STROKE RATE WILL BE IN
THE FRONT.
YOU GET THROWN ALL OVER THE
PLACE IN THE BOAT.
>> TERRI: SO, SO WHO IS ELIGIBLE
TO BE MEMBER OF THE CLUB AND
ROW HERE?
>> JOHN: ANYBODY WHO CAN SWIM
AND HELP CARRY A BOAT.
WE START AT AGE 13, SO WE HAVE
JUNIOR PROGRAMS THAT ARE FOR
TEENAGERS.
WE HAVE ADULT MEMBERS OF THE
CLUB WELL IN TO THEIR 80S.
SO YOU KNOW ANEVERYONE FROM IN
BETWEEN.
>> TERRI: YOU GOT MEN, YOU GOT
WOMEN, YOU GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE
DOCTORS, PEOPLE WHO ARE
TEACHERS, ALL MEMBERS OF THE
COMMUNITY COME.
>> JOHN: YEAH, IT'S A GREAT
GROUP OF PEOPLE.
A LOT OF FUN AND I LOST MY TRAIN
IT'S A FUN GROUP OF PEOPLE TO BE
AROUND.
>> TERRI: IT'S CHALLENGING
PHYSICALLY AND ALSO MENTALLY,
RIGHT?
TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
>> JOHN: YEAH, SO IT WAS ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT WAS MOST
SURPRISING TO ME WAS HOW
DIFFICULT IT WAS MENTALLY.
THERE ARE SO MANY MOVING PARTS
AT A TIME IN TERMS OF WHERE YOUR
BODY IS, WHAT YOUR HANDS ARE
DOING WITH THE OAR, TRYING TO
KEEP TIME WITH THE PEOPLE IN
FRONT OF YOU THAT WHAT I THOUGHT
WOULD BE RELATIVELY STRAIGHT
FORWARD TURNED OUT TO BE VERY
DIFFICULT.
>> THINK OF YOUR HIPS LIKE A LEG
YEOMAN.
>> CATHY O'HARA: THE COXSWAIN
GENERALLY TELLS THE 8 IN THE
BOAT WHAT TO DO, HOW TO STEER,
AND THEY ALSO SET THE RATE OF
SPEED AND STROKE AND ALL OF
THAT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE A COACH
IN THE BOAT.
>> MARY MAHER: I LIKE THE POWER
OF THE BIG BOATS, I LIKE THE
GROUP COMPETITION AND THE GROUP
COACHING BUT THE SKULLING BOATS,
THEY'RE EVERY BIT AS POWERFUL
BUT IT'S SORT OF A DIFFERENT
ANIMAL.
IT'S MORE SOLITARY, ESPECIALLY
WHEN YOU'RE IN A SINGLE, THE
BOATS ARE SMALLER.
OUT HERE YOU CAN COME OUT AND
SKULL ANYTIME YOU WANT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE IN A
PROGRAM, I SKULL ALMOST
YEAR-ROUND.
I'M ONE OF THE HARDCORE
ICEBREAKERS.
>> SEAN CARR: YOU CAN PICK UP
ROWING AT ANY POINT IN LIFE FOR
DECADES TO COME AND I LOVE THE
PEACE, THE SOLITUDE, THE
SERENITY, AND THE INTENSITY AT
COMES WITH BEING OUT ON THE
WATER AND IN NATURE AND BEING
ABLE TO DO THAT, ESPECIALLY HERE
IN CHARLOTTESVILLE, JUST ABOUT
ANY DAY OF THE YEAR.
>> ASHLEY GALE: LENGTHEN IT OUT,
EVEN IF YOU HAVE SHORTER LEGS
YOU CAN STILL PULL LONGER AND
PRESS ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
GET FULL PRESS.
KEEP THE BLADE IN THE WATER THE
WHOLE WAY AND THEN PULL IT OUT
AT THE LAST SECOND.
>> TERRI: AND TALK ABOUT THE
DIFFERENT CLASSES THAT ARE
OFFERED SO THAT -- BECAUSE
ANYONE CAN BE A PART OF THIS.
>> JOHN: YEAH, SO WE HAVE LEARN
TO ROW WHICH AGAIN IS FOR PEOPLE
WHO HAVE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE
AND THEN THOSE PEOPLE CAN MOVE
INTO OUR INTERMEDIATE PROGRAM
WHICH IS FOR YOU KNOW AS AGAIN
FOR ADULTS WHO HAVE ONE OR TWO
YEARS' EXPERIENCE AND WANT TO
GET MORE TECHNICAL WORK AND THEN
WE HAVE A REGULAR MASTER'S
PROGRAM WHICH IS BOTH A
COMPETITIVE AND FOR PEOPLE WHO
JUST WANT TO GET A GOOD WORKOUT
EARLY IN THE MORNING OR LATE AT
NITE.
OR LATE AT NIGHT.
>> TERRI: AND WHEN YOU TALK
ABOUT COMPETITIVE, HOW DO THEY
COMPETE?
>> JOHN: SO WE TYPICALLY SEND
BOATS TO A COUPLE OF REGATTAS IN
THE STATE, SOMETIMES TO ONE
FURTHER OUT.
WE HAVE TRAILER THAT WE CAN PUT
OUR BOATS ON AND DRAG THEM TO
AND THOSE ARE A LOT OF FUN --
WHEN WE GET TO RACE.
>> TERRI: YEAH, TALK ABOUT THIS
AMAZING FACILITY, WHERE YOU HAVE
YOUR BOATS AND THE WATER AND YOU
GUYS ROW.
>> JOHN: YEAH, WE'RE REALLY
LUCKY.
THE VIRGINIA ROWING ASSOCIATION
OWNS THE LAND AND THE BOATHOUSE
AND WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO
SHARE THE FACILITY WITH THE
VIRGINIA MEN'S PROGRAM WHICH IS
SPONSORED BY THE VRA AND WITH
THE VIRGINIA WOMEN'S TEAM SO WE
GET ACCESS WITH JUST A
WORLD-CLASS FACILITY WITH
BEAUTIFUL BOATS, AND THEN THE
WATER IS JUST SPECTACULAR.
WE'VE GOT ABOUT FIVE MILES OF
VERY SMOOTH WELL-PROTECTED
WATER, WE CAN GO A MILE AND A
HALF DOWN TO THE DAM OR ANOTHER
THREE AND A HALF MILES UP TOWARD
GREY'S FORWARD ROW.
>> TERRI: AND YOU HAVE ROWING
MACHINES, YOU HAVE A ROWING
MACHINE ROOM THAT YOU HAVE
ACCESS TO THAT'S PART OF THE
UNIVERSITY.
>> JOHN: YEAH, SO THAT'S
PRIMARILY USED BY THE
UNDERGRADUATES BUT WE DO USE IT
SOME FOR TRAINING AND WORKOUT
DURING THE WINTER.
>> CATHY O'HARA: THIS IS A PLACE
WHERE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS AND
COLLEGE KIDS AND ADULTS FROM THE
COMMUNITY, EVERY AGE FROM 20 TO
80, ALL COME TOGETHER, THEY ALL
WORK TOGETHER, THEY LOVE THIS
CLUB AND IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY
RESOURCE.
>> ASHLEY GALE: HAVE YOU ALL
GOTTEN THE MICRO-PAUSE
EXPLANATION BEFORE?
NO?
OH, THIS IS EXCITING, I LIKE
DOING THIS.
WHEN YOU'RE CATCHING, WHEN
YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR BLADE IN THE
WATER, YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO
PRESS IT IN THE WATER, ALL THE
WAY THROUGH, IT ADDS LIKE A FOOT
IN EVERY STROKE, AND THAT'S FREE
SPEED IN EVERY STROKE.
WHO DOESN'T WANT FREE SPEED,
RIGHT?
>> DAVID PATTERSON: GOSH, THE
RACES ARE ALWAYS HARD BECAUSE
YOU WANT TO GO FAST BUT YOU HAVE
TO DO IT VERY SMOOTHLY SO YOU
HAVE ROWING IN RACES IS PROBABLY
THE HARDEST PART.
THE BEST PART IS JUST GETTING ON
THE WATER AND THAT'S THE BEST
PART ABOUT RRC IS THAT IT'S OPEN
TO ANYONE.
>> TERRI: SO DO MEMBERS ROW ALL
YEAR LONG OR IS THERE A LIMIT TO
WHEN YOU CAN DO IT?
>> JOHN: SOME DO.
SO WE HAVE ALL OF OUR COACH
PROGRAMS ARE DURING THE SUMMER
SO THE DOCK AND THE RIVER GETS
USED VERY HEAVILY BY THE UVA
STUDENTS WHEN THEY'RE IN
SESSION.
SO WE START AFTER GRADUATION AND
THEN WE FINISH THOSE PROGRAMS
RIGHT AROUND THEY START BACK IN
AUGUST.
AROUND THOSE TIMES WE HAVE
SHOULDER SEASON WHERE PEOPLE CAN
ROW, WE HAVE GROUPS THAT WILL DO
PREPARE FOR RACES IN THE SPRING
AND THE FALL AND DO THAT WITHOUT
A COACH.
WE HAVE MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE
SINGLE SKULLS THAT KEEP THEIR
BOATS HERE WHO REALLY ROW YEAR
AROUND.
WE HAVE A RULE THAT FOR THE
WINTER MONTHS -- DECEMBER,
JANUARY AND FEBRUARY -- THERE'S
ALWAYS AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE OUT
ON THE WATER FOR SAFETY.
>> TERRI: YEAH, WHAT IS IT?
IS IT THE FOUR OAR RULE?
>> JOHN: YOU KNOW IN CASE, MOST
OF THESE PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO
FLIP THEIR BOAT BUT IF THEY DID
THEY COULD GET HYPOTHERMIA IN A
HURRY SO WE ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE
SURE THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE THERE
BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT HERE
LITERALLY YEAR-ROUND AND YOU
USUALLY DON'T GET ICY SO A LOT
OF PEOPLE GO YEAR-ROUND.
>> TERRI: OH, THAT'S EXCITING
SO, YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE A ROWER,
TELL ME ABOUT HOW LONG YOU'VE
BEEN DOING IT AND JUST TELL ME
WHY YOU DO IT.
>> JOHN: THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION
SO, I STARTED I THINK SEVEN
YEARS AGO AND I HAD BEEN A
RUNNER FOR A WHILE AND WAS
LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO DO THAT
I COULD DO TO GET GOOD EXERCISE
THAT WOULDN'T BE BEATING UP MY
BODY SO MUCH AND I THINK THERE
ARE A FAIR NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN
THE CLUB SO THAT WAS THE CASE.
I USED TO DRIVE OVER THE BRIDGE
AND SEE THE ROWERS AND I'VE
ALWAYS LOVED WATER AND IT EMED
PERFECT.
AND THEN I CAME AND TRIED IT AND
AGAIN WAS SURPRISED AT HOW -- IN
TWO WAYS.
YOU CAN PICK UP THE BASICS VERY
QUICKLY, SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY BE
DOING IT VERY EASILY WITHIN A
FEW WEEKS OF STARTING BUT THEN
THERE'S SO MUCH TECHNICAL WORK
TO IT THAT YOU CAN KEEP GETTING
BETTER EVERY YEAR.
SO IT'S BEEN A GREAT THING AND I
THINK ALL OF US IN THE MASTER'S
PROGRAM COME BACK AND WE LEARN
NEW THINGS EVERY YEAR, GET GREAT
EXERCISE, HAVE A GOOD TIME
TOGETHER, SO IT'S REALLY BEEN A
BLAST.
>> TERRI: THAT'S GREAT.
THANK YOU JOHN.
>> MY PLEASURE.
>> MARY MAHER: I'VE BEEN ROWING
ABOUT 25 YEARS.
I SAW AN AD IN CVILLE FOR A
LEARN TO ROW CLASS AND I SIGNED
UP AND I BROUGHT MY DAUGHTER
WITH ME.
SHE WAS 14.
SHE HATED IT AND I LOVED IT AND
I'VE BEEN WITH IT EVER SINCE.
>> DAVID PATTERSON: IT'S GREAT
TO COME OUT AFTER WORK AND ROW
ON THE RESERVOIR, IT REALLY IS
RELAXING.
IT'S A GREAT GROUP TO BE WITH.
>> SEAN CARR: IT'S REALLY SOME
OF THE BEST WATER ON THE EAST
COAST FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO
ROW AND IT IS AMAZING THAT YOU
HAVE THIS HERE AND THAT IT'S
ESSENTIALLY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
>> CATHY O'HARA: I REALLY HAVE
ENJOYED IT, AT FIRST IT'S A
LITTLE FRUSTRATING BUT ONCE YOU
GET IN TO IT AND YOU KEEP IT UP
AND YOU REALLY KEEP GOING, YOU
LEARN A LOT AND IT'S CHALLENGING
EVERY DAY.
AND THERE'S NEW SUCCESSES EVERY
DAY WITH IT.
>> ASHLEY GALE: NICELY DONE
GUYS.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A
CAMERA CREW ON YOU ALL EVERY
SINGLE PRACTICE BECAUSE THIS IS
THE BEST ROWING I'VE SEEN IN
LIKE WEEKS.
GREAT JOB!
>> SECONDARY COACH: OK, I'M
GOING TO CALL IT, FIVE STROKES,
CATCH!
♪♪♪♪
>> READY, AIM, FIRE.
[GUNSHOTS]
READY, AIM, FIRE.
AIM, FIRE.
[GUNSHOTS]
>> TERRI ALLARD: DID YOU KNOW
THAT THE VERY FIRST PUBLIC CIVIC
MEMORIAL IN THE UNITED STATES TO
HONOR VIETNAM VETERANS IS
LOCATED RIGHT HERE IN
CHARLOTTESVILLE?
JOIN US TODAY AS WE VISIT THE
HILL THAT HEALS AND LEARN ABOUT
THE DOGWOOD VIETNAM MEMORIAL
FOUNDATION.
COME ON!
>> CATON: IN VIETNAM WE LOST A
WHOLE GENERATION OF YOUNG MEN
AND WOMEN JUST LIKE MY BROTHER
WHO WOULD HAVE MADE A WONDERFUL
CONTRIBUTION TO OUR COUNTRY AND
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE
AS A COMMUNITY AND AS A NATION
RECOGNIZE OUR VETERANS AND THE
CRIFICE THEY'VE MADE.
>> JIM: IT'S LIKE WE BREATHE
LIFE BACK INTO THESE YOUNG MEN
ONE MORE TIME FOR A FEW MINUTES
AND THEIR FAMILY AND THEIR
FRIENDS ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE
TRYING TO DO AND WE'RE TRYING TO
HONOR THEIR MEMORY.
>> JIM SHISLER: THE DOGWOOD
VIETNAM MEMORIAL WAS CONCEIVED
IN A BARBER SHOP.
THE VIETNAM WAR WAS JUST GETTING
STARTED AND CHARLOTTESVILLE AND
ALBEMARLE HAD EXPERIENCED ITS
FIRST CASUALTY.
THE DEATH OF CHAMP JACKSON
LAWSON, JR.
AND WE KNEW THAT OTHER DEATHS
WOULD COME ALONG AND WE FELT
LIKE SOMETHING ELSE HAD TO BE
DONE TO HONOR THEM AND TO HONOR
THEIR FAMILIES.
AND SO WE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA
OF A MEMORIAL.
>> TERRI: PUTTING THE MEMORIAL
TOGETHER, IT WAS REQUESTED THAT
EVERYTHING IT WAS MADE WITH HAVE
HISTORICAL VALUE, BE LOCAL.
TALK ABOUT THAT.
>> JIM SHISLER: NOT EVERYTHING
BUT I PROACHED THE CITY
MANAGER JAMES E. GOIN AND TOLD
HIM WHAT OUR IDEA WAS AND HE
LIKE THAT IDEA AND HE ALSO
STRESSED THAT HE WANTED THE
MEMORIAL TO BE PLACED IN A
LOCATION THAT WAS HIGHLY VISIBLE
AND HE WANTED TO USE MATERIALS
SIGNIFICANT TO THE AREA.
HE ALSO SAID THAT THE CITY WOULD
NOT FUND ANY OF THE
CONSTRUCTION.
HOWEVER, THEY WOULD ACCEPT
MAINTENANCE OF IT IN THEIR
NORMAL OPERATION.
>> TERRI: BRUCE, AS THE
PRESIDENT OF THE FOUNDATION AND
AS A VIETNAM VETERAN, YOU REFER
TO THE MEMORIAL AS THE HILL THAT
HEALS.
TALK ABOUT THAT.
>> BRUCE EADES: THAT'S CORRECT,
TERRI.
IT HAS BEEN THE HILL THAT HEALS
FOR ME AND PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF
THIS GENTLEMAN TO MY LEFT, JIM
SHISLER, ASKED ME TO SPEAK AT
THE MEMORIAL IN 1995.
I'D MOVED -- I'D RECENTLY MOVED
BACK TO CHARLOTTESVILLE.
I HAD NOT TALK ABOUT VIETNAM TO
ANYONE FOR 20, ALMOST 30 YEARS
ACTUALLY.
>> TERRI: YOU WENT TO LANE HIGH
SCHOOL.
>> BRUCE EADES: I DID.
>> TERRI: YOU WENT TO UVA FOR A
FEW YEARS.
>> BRUCE EADES: I ONLY WENT FOR
ONE YEAR.
ENGINEERING SCHOOL.
AND I WASN'T DOING WELL AND THE
DRAFT WAS KNOCKING ON MY DOOR SO
I JOINED THE MARINE CORPS.
>> TERRI: AND THEN WHEN YOU
RETURNED YOU NEVER TALKED ABOUT
IT.
>> BRUCE EADES: I BLENDED IN.
I TURNED INTO A WEEKEND HIPPIE
YOU MIGHT SAY.
>> TERRI: YOU HAD THE VW VAN.
>> BRUCE EADES: I HAD THE VW VAN
WITH THE TYE-DYE CURTAINS.
I HAD A HARLEY CHOPPER AND I
PLAYED THE PART OF THE OPPOSITE
OF A VIETNAM VET BECAUSE I
DIDN'T WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED
WITH THE STIGMA.
I WROTE IN THIS THING, THIS
SPEECH, THAT BECAUSE OF THE
STIGMA ASSOCIATED WITH VIETNAM.
I, LIKE MANY OTHERS, RARELY
SPOKE OF MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE
IN VIETNAM.
I KEPT THOSE MEMORIES SEALED
INSIDE ME NOT REVEALING THEM TO
ANYONE.
I HID MY TEARS WHEN I REMEMBERED
MY FALLEN FRIENDS.
I STOOD FOR A MOMENT AND THOUGHT
HOW APPROPRIATE IT WAS THAT
JIMMY'S RESTING PLACE WAS NEAR
THE BIRTHPLACE OF OUR NATION'S
DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
RIGHT THERAT MONTICELLO
MOUNTAIN.
SO I GUESS JIM SHISLER STARTED
MY HEALING PROCESS AND THE HILL
HAS CONTINUED AS I FOCUS TO HELP
JIM WITH HIS WORK HERE.
THESE FAMILIES COME FROM A LONG
WAYS.
IT'S VERY MEANINGFUL.
>> RUGGLES: I AM HERE TO HONOR
MY FATHER AND HIS MEMORY.
THEY TAT ME LIKE ROYALTY AND
MY FAMILY LIKE ROYALTY WHEN I
COME HERE, BUT I TELL YOU, IT'S
THEM THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN
THAT SERVED AND DURING THAT
TIME.
IT WAS REALLY, REALLY TOUGH FOR
THEM.
>> JEAN SEAL: MY SWEETHEART IN
HIGH SCHOOL WENT TO VIETNAM IN
1969 AND HE WAS KILLED
FEBRUARY 14th, 1970.
AND I HAVE BEEN COMING TO THIS
MEMORIAL FOR ONLY 3 YEARS.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE IT AS A
HEALING PROCESS BECAUSE I'VE
NEVER REALLY DONE THAT.
AND IT'S EVEN AFTER ALL THESE
YEARS, IT'S VERY HARD.
>> COL. JAMES T. O'KELLEY: TODAY
I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO TALK TO
YOU ABOUT FOUR YOUNG MEN WHO
GAVE THEIR LIVES IN VIETNAM.
>> TERRI: ONE OF THE EVENTS THAT
HAPPENS ON THE HILL EVERY YEAR
IS THE REDEDICATION CEREMONY.
LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENS.
>> BRUCE EADES: WHEN I FIRST
STARTED HELPING JIM, HE'D BEEN,
FOR FORTY YEARS HE'D BEEN
BUILDING A STAGE, MOSTLY BY
HIMSELF.
>> TERRI: PUTTING A STAGE
TOGETHER FOR EACH FOR EACH
DEDICATION CEREMONY; REBUILDING
A STAGE.
>> BRUCE EADES: HE'S STILL A
STOUT MAN BUT HE DID NEED A
LITTLE HELP.
HE'LL ADMIT TO THAT.
SO I DID SEE HIM OUT THERE WITH
THAT AND STARTED HELPING HIM AND
VOLUNTEERING AND CUTTING THE
GRASS AROUND THE MEMORIAL UNTIL
2014.
>> JIM SHISLER: YES.
WHEN THE EXTENSION OF McINTIRE
ROAD AND THE ULTIMATE
INTERCHANGE REDESIGN FINALLY
CAME ABOUT AND FUNDING BECOMING
AVAILABLE I WAS ASKED TO JOIN
AND ASKED BRUCE TO JOIN WITH ME.
AND WE WORKED FOR ABOUT FIVE
YEARS BUT OUR REAL PURPOSE,
BRUCE'S AND MINE, WAS TO
PRESERVE AND TO GREATEN THE
DOGWOOD VIETNAM MEMORIAL.
MOSTLY TO PRESERVE IT.
>> TERRI: NOW, JIM CARPENTER,
LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
HOW IT HAS CHANGED OVER THE
YEARS.
IT REALLY HAS CHANGED,
ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW ROAD
GOING AROUND BUT TALK ABOUT WHAT
THE MEMORIAL LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
>> JIM CARPENTER: OH, ABSOLUTELY
BEAUTIFUL ON THAT HILLSIDE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE USED TO GO UP
THERE FOR THE DOGWOOD FESTIVAL
THE YOUNG LADIES WOULD HAVE
HEALS ON AND THEY WERE BASICALLY
AERATING UP THERE ON THE
HILLSIDE.
IT WAS VERY STEEP, HARD TO GET
TO, BUT NOW IT'S FLAT, IT HAS
CONCRETE.
IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL UP THERE.
BUT WHEN IT CAME TO THESE
PLAQUES WE ACTUALLY COULD TELL
THEM WHO THIS PERSON WAS.
I HAD A FIRST COUSIN WHO WAS
KILLED IN VIETNAM FROM
BARBOURSVILLE, VIRGINIA.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHO HE
REALLY WAS AND ALL I KNOW IS
THERE'S A MARKER THERE IN
BARBOURSVILLE.
AND NOW WHEN PEOPLE COME THEY
CAN READ A LITTLE BIT AND SAY
THIS IS --.••
>> JIM SHISLER: THERE'S A
PHOTOGRAPH OF THE FALLEN ON
THERE.
>> JIM CARPENTER: WE CAN
DESCRIBE WHAT THEIR DASH IS
ABOUT, BETWEEN THEIR BIRTH DATE
AND THEIR DEATH DATE.
>> BRUCE EADES: WE DO REMEMBER
OSCAR MAUTERUR WHO WAS A
POW/MIA.
HIS PLAQUE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT
IS NOT BEHIND THE WALL.
IT IS OVER BY THE POW/MIA FLAG.
>> TERRI: WELL, AND THAT REMINDS
ME OF SOMETHING YOU SAID
EARLIER, JIM.
YOU HAD A RELATIONSHIP IN SOME
WAY WITH AT LEAST NINE OF THE 28
VETERANS.
>> JIM SHISLER: NINE.
ONE OF THEM WAS HARVEY MULHAUSER
WHO WAS A YEAR AND A PIECE AHEAD
OF ME IN HIGH SCHOOL.
HE AND I WERE BOTH BOY SCOUTS
TOGETHER.
>> BRUCE EADES: IT HAS CHANGED
THE LIVEOF SO MANY PEOPLE IN
CHARLOTTESVILLE.
ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE OF THE GUYS
MYSELF AT LANE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND OF COURSE AT UVA THERE WERE
EIGHT PEOPLE FROM UVA ROTC.
YOU KNOW THE DRAFT WAS IN EFFECT
AND OUT OF THE 58,312 THAT WE
LOST IN VIETNAM, THREE TIMES
THAT MANY VIETNAM VETS HAVE
COMMITTED SUICIDE SINCE THEN.
[POLICE SIREN]
>> JOAN EADES: IT IS VERY
IMPORTANT TO HAVE A WELCOME HOME
PARADE.
THESE MEN ARE IN THEIR LATE
60S AND 70S AND THEY FINALLY
FEEL LIKE THEY DID SOMETHING
HONORABLE FOR OUR COUNTRY.
AND THEY ARE JUST A VERY SPECIAL
BREED OF PEOPLE THAT LOVE THEIR
COUNTRY, THEY FOUGHT FOR THEIR
COUNTRY, THEY DID WHAT THEY WERE
ASKED FOR AND WE NEED TO SUPPORT
THEM, EVEN IF IT'S 50 YEARS
LATER.
>> JULIAN TALIAFERRO: I THINK
IT'S VERY NICE TO DO THIS IN
RECOGNITION OF THE VIETNAM
VETERANS WHO ARE PROBABLY REALLY
DUE.
AND IT'S CHANGED A LOT TO WHAT
IT USED TO BE BECAUSE YOU KNOW
TODAY PEOPLE COME UP AND THANK
YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND A
NUMBER OF YEARS AGO THAT NEVER
HAPPENED YOU KNOW FOR WHATEVER
REASON.
I DON'T KNOW.
>> GENE LIVELY: IT'S
UNBELIEVABLE AFTER 50 YEARS.
I REALLY ENJOYED MYSELF.
I DIDN'T THINK THIS Y WOULD
EVER COME.
>> BRUCE EADES: WE JUST RECENTLY
HAD A PARADE AND JIM IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING THE
DOGWOOD FESTIVAL TO ACTUALLY
MAKE THE VIETNAM VETERANS THE
HONORARY GRAND MARSHALL AND EVEN
THOUGH A LOT OF VIETNAM VETERANS
DIDN'T COME FORWARD AND GET IN
THE PARADE, THEY WERE WELL
REPRESENTED.
>> TERRI: YEAH, JIM, YOU HAD AN
EMAIL FROM SOMEONE AFTER, FROM A
FAMILY MEMBER AFTER THE PARADE.
>> JIM CARPENTER: I POSTED ON
FACEBOOK JUST A THANK-YOU TO ALL
THE FOLKS WHO PARTICIPATED, THE
BOY SCOUTS, THE GIRL SCOUTS
PASSING OUT OVER 3,000 FLAGS.
AND I GOT THIS NOTE BACK FROM A
LADY THAT SAID I WAS SO PROUD OF
ALL THE VETS WHO WERE IN THE
PARADE TODAY, MY HUSBAND BEING
ONE OF THEM RIDING ON THE FLOAT.
HOW IT MUST HAVE FELT WHEN A
MARINE IN FULL DRESS BLUES
WALKED UP, SHOOK HIS HAND AND
SAID, "WELCOME HOME."
>> TERRI: TALK ABOUT HOW IT'S SO
IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE WITH THIS
HEALING PROCESS.
>> BRUCE EADES: THEY DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT PTSD WAS WHEN WE CAME BACK.
IT WAS NOT ADDRESSED AT ALL.
ONE DAY WE WERE ON THE
BATTLEFIELD, AND 24 HOURS LATER
WE WERE BACK IN THE WORLD, WE
CALLED IT, WITH THE ROUND EYED
GIRLS AND QUITE FRANKLY WE JUST
DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
WE DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE.
I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO BE
THERE.
I DIDN'T WANT ANY WELCOME HOME.
I DIDN'T WANT MY PARENTS OR
ANYBODY TO THROW A PARTY FOR ME.
I LEFT AND I STILL FEEL LIKE I'M
HEALING.
PTSD HIT ME HARD AND IT'S BEEN A
PROCESS AND I THANK THIS
GENTLEMAN FOR THAT.
MY WIFE MAY DISAGREE, BUT I
THINK I'M GETTING THERE.
>> TERRI: BUT YOU HAVE, PART OF
THE FOUNDATION IS THE
CAMARADERIE, BRINGING FAMILIES
TOGETHER, BRINGING THE COMMUNITY
TOGETHER TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND
THIS WAR AND THAT EXPERIENCE.
>> JIM SHISLER: SOMETIMES IT'S
HARD TO DO BUSINESS FOR
FOUNDATION MEETINGS BECAUSE WE
GET TO RELATING EXPERIENCES.
NOT BATTLE STORIES PARTICULARLY,
BUT EXPERIENCES.
IT'S IMPORTANT.
I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO
NOTE THAT A GREAT NUMBER AND A
VAST MAJORITY OF THESE VIETNAM
VETERANS HAVE COME HOME AND BEEN
VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL IN
BUSINESS, IN PROFESSIONS AND
WHATEVER.
SO IT'S A WHOLE LOT OF GOOD THAT
IS COMING OUT OF THE VIETNAM
VETERANS.
>> BRUCE EADES: OUR VIETNAM
MEMORIAL IS DEDICATED TO ALL WHO
SERVED THE COUNTRY IN VIETNAM
AND IN PARTICULAR THOSE WHO GAVE
THEIR LIVES IN THAT SERVICE.
WE'RE JUST HOPING THAT FAMILIES
WILL TAKE A FEW MINUTES WITH
THEIR CHILDREN AND SAY THERE WAS
A WAR ONCE AND THESE FOLKS
SACRIFICED FOR THAT AND THEY DID
WHAT THEY FELT WAS THE RIGHT
THING FOR OUR COUNTRY AND
SERVED.
>> JIM SHISLER: SOMEONE ASKED ME
A FEW YEARS INTO IT, HOW LONG
WILL THIS MEMORIAL RE-DEDICATION
LAST?
AND I SAID, WELL, UNTIL THE WAR
IS OVER OR MAYBE A FEW YEARS
AFTER THAT.
THREE OR FOUR YEARS AFTER THAT.
I WAS TOTALLY WRONG.
IT'S GOING ON FROM WHEN I WAS A
YOUNG MAN TO THIS PERIOD OF MY
LIFE IT'S STILL GOING ON AND I'M
LUCKY TO BE A PART OF IT.
>> COL. JAMES T. O'KELLEY: GOD
AND THE SOLDIER ALL MEN ADORE IN
TIMES OF TROUBLE AND THEN NO
MORE.
WHEN THE WAR IS OVER AND ALL
THINGS ARE RIGHTED, GOD IS
FORGOTTEN AND THE OLD SOLDIER IS
SLIGHTED.
LET THAT NEVER HAPPEN TO THESE
YOUNG MEN AND ALL THE OTHE
YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE
SERVING OUR COUNTRY.
SEMPER FIDELIS.
OOH RAL.
[BAGPIPE PLAYS AMAZING GRACE]
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>> TERRI: THAT'S IT FOR THIS
WEEK.
FOR WHTJ, I'M TERRI ALLARD.
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