1 00:00:07,766 --> 00:00:08,966 >> THIS PRESENTATION WAS MADE 2 00:00:08,966 --> 00:00:10,100 POSSIBLE THANKS IN PART TO THE 3 00:00:10,100 --> 00:00:11,300 PATRONS OF "CHARLOTTESVILLE 4 00:00:11,300 --> 00:00:12,333 INSIDE-OUT", COMMITTED TO 5 00:00:12,333 --> 00:00:13,333 EXPLORING THE PEOPLE, PLACES, 6 00:00:13,333 --> 00:00:14,533 AND QUALITY OF LIFE THAT 7 00:00:14,533 --> 00:00:16,000 UNIQUELY DEFINE CHARLOTTESVILLE 8 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:31,366 AND ITS SURROUNDINGS. 9 00:00:31,366 --> 00:00:32,866 >> I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD 10 00:00:32,866 --> 00:00:34,133 ATTEMPT TO MAKE SOMETHING WITH 11 00:00:34,133 --> 00:00:35,400 THEIR HANDS, I MEAN, MAKE A 12 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,400 PAPER AIRPLANE; WHO CARES? 13 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:37,766 JUST DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR 14 00:00:37,766 --> 00:00:39,566 HANDS. 15 00:00:39,566 --> 00:00:41,166 >> FOR WHTJ, I'M TERRI ALLARD, 16 00:00:41,166 --> 00:00:43,000 AND THIS IS "CHARLOTTESVILLE 17 00:00:43,000 --> 00:01:02,766 INSIDE-OUT". 18 00:01:02,766 --> 00:01:04,333 OUR GUEST TODAY IS A GREEN BERET 19 00:01:04,333 --> 00:01:06,000 TURNED AUTHOR WHO HAS SERVED AS 20 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,066 A FEATURE WRITER FOR THE DAILY 21 00:01:08,066 --> 00:01:10,100 PROGRESS SINCE 1987. 22 00:01:10,100 --> 00:01:11,666 HE'S BEEN SHARING THE STORIES OF 23 00:01:11,666 --> 00:01:15,433 OUR COMMUNITY FOR ALMOST THREE 24 00:01:15,433 --> 00:01:17,566 DECADES, AND NOW WE THINK IT'S 25 00:01:17,566 --> 00:01:19,200 TIME TO TELL HIS STORY. 26 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:20,700 JOIN US TODAY AS WE CATCH UP 27 00:01:20,700 --> 00:01:22,600 WITH WRITER DAVID MAURER. 28 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:27,666 COME ON! 29 00:01:27,666 --> 00:01:29,533 >> SO, DAVID, THE 30 00:01:29,533 --> 00:01:31,066 CHARLOTTESVILLE COMMUNITY KNOWS 31 00:01:31,066 --> 00:01:33,300 YOU AS A FEATURE WRITER FOR THE 32 00:01:33,300 --> 00:01:34,866 DAILY PROGRESS, BUT I'D LIKE TO 33 00:01:34,866 --> 00:01:36,566 START OUT TALKING A LITTLE BIT 34 00:01:36,566 --> 00:01:38,266 ABOUT YOUR PAST. 35 00:01:38,266 --> 00:01:39,800 TELL US ABOUT JOINING THE ARMY. 36 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,100 >> NO, I CAN'T TELL YOU ABOUT 37 00:01:41,100 --> 00:01:45,333 THAT. 38 00:01:45,333 --> 00:01:46,833 >> YOU'D HAVE TO SHOOT ME? 39 00:01:46,833 --> 00:01:48,366 THAT'S SORT OF TRUE. 40 00:01:48,366 --> 00:01:50,166 >> I WAS SOMEWHAT OF A DISASTER. 41 00:01:50,166 --> 00:01:52,033 WELL, I WAS A DISASTER IN HIGH 42 00:01:52,033 --> 00:01:53,766 SCHOOL. 43 00:01:53,766 --> 00:01:55,966 I DECIDED TO JOIN THE ARMY WHEN 44 00:01:55,966 --> 00:01:57,933 I WAS SEVENTEEN, AND MY PARENTS 45 00:01:57,933 --> 00:02:00,500 WERE HAPPY TO SIGN OFF ON THAT. 46 00:02:00,500 --> 00:02:03,066 AND I WENT IN AND DID MY FIRST 47 00:02:03,066 --> 00:02:04,933 TOUR IN KOREA FOR A YEAR. 48 00:02:04,933 --> 00:02:07,166 AND THEN I CAME BACK, AND I 49 00:02:07,166 --> 00:02:08,866 WASN'T BACK BUT A COUPLE MONTHS 50 00:02:08,866 --> 00:02:10,466 AND WAS ASSIGNED THE FIRST 51 00:02:10,466 --> 00:02:12,666 CAVALRY DIVISION. 52 00:02:12,666 --> 00:02:15,166 AND THEY COME DOWN WITH ORDERS, 53 00:02:15,166 --> 00:02:16,600 THIS WAS 1965, FOR VIETNAM, SO I 54 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,700 WENT OVER. 55 00:02:20,700 --> 00:02:22,966 >> SO YOU STAYED IN THE ARMY FOR 56 00:02:22,966 --> 00:02:24,833 A COUPLE OF YEARS, LEFT, AND 57 00:02:24,833 --> 00:02:26,300 THEN CAME BACK TO JOIN THE JUMP 58 00:02:26,300 --> 00:02:28,300 SCHOOL? 59 00:02:28,300 --> 00:02:30,100 >> YEAH. 60 00:02:30,100 --> 00:02:31,766 I WAS IN FOR THREE YEARS AND 61 00:02:31,766 --> 00:02:34,166 THEN I HAD A BREAK OF ABOUT NINE 62 00:02:34,166 --> 00:02:36,300 MONTHS, AND THAT WASN'T REALLY 63 00:02:36,300 --> 00:02:38,766 WORKING OUT. 64 00:02:38,766 --> 00:02:40,700 THERE WAS A LOT OF RESIDUE LEFT 65 00:02:40,700 --> 00:02:43,233 FROM VIETNAM. 66 00:02:43,233 --> 00:02:46,966 I'D BEEN IN SOME MAJOR BATTLES, 67 00:02:46,966 --> 00:02:49,266 AND COMING BACK FROM THAT, I 68 00:02:49,266 --> 00:02:51,700 REMEMBER WHEN I'D FIRST GOT HOME 69 00:02:51,700 --> 00:02:53,566 THE FIRST NIGHT, I KEPT OPENING 70 00:02:53,566 --> 00:02:55,900 UP THE REFRIGERATOR AND SHUTTING 71 00:02:55,900 --> 00:02:57,466 THE DOOR BECAUSE IT WAS SO 72 00:02:57,466 --> 00:02:58,866 FOREIGN TO ME THAT I COULD JUST 73 00:02:58,866 --> 00:03:00,600 REACH IN AND GRAB A COLD 74 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,233 WHATEVER, AND JUST THE LIGHTS 75 00:03:02,233 --> 00:03:04,133 AND ALL THAT, BECAUSE I HAD 76 00:03:04,133 --> 00:03:05,866 BASICALLY BEEN IN THE FIELD FOR 77 00:03:05,866 --> 00:03:08,400 A YEAR. 78 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,900 SO, I JUST DIDN'T ADJUST. 79 00:03:10,900 --> 00:03:12,933 AND AFTER NINE MONTHS, I DECIDED 80 00:03:12,933 --> 00:03:14,900 TO GO BACK IN. 81 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:16,366 AND THERE'D BEEN A LOT OF 82 00:03:16,366 --> 00:03:18,166 PARATROOPERS IN THE FIRST CAV, 83 00:03:18,166 --> 00:03:19,433 AND I REALLY LIKED THOSE GUYS, 84 00:03:19,433 --> 00:03:21,700 AND SO I SAID, IF I'M GOING BACK 85 00:03:21,700 --> 00:03:23,233 IN, I WANT TO AT LEAST TRY TO BE 86 00:03:23,233 --> 00:03:24,800 A PARATROOPER. 87 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,433 AND SO WHEN I WAS IN JUMP 88 00:03:27,433 --> 00:03:28,933 SCHOOL, THE INSTRUCTOR CAME UP 89 00:03:28,933 --> 00:03:30,933 AND SAID, IF ANY OF YOU GUYS 90 00:03:30,933 --> 00:03:33,200 THINK YOU WANT TO BE SNAKE 91 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,166 EATERS, WHICH THEY CALLED 92 00:03:35,166 --> 00:03:36,633 SPECIAL FORCES GUYS, THAT GUY'LL 93 00:03:36,633 --> 00:03:38,700 TALK TO YOU. 94 00:03:38,700 --> 00:03:41,166 SO EVERYBODY, 200 GUYS GO OVER. 95 00:03:41,166 --> 00:03:42,733 OUT OF THOSE 200 HUNDRED GUYS 96 00:03:42,733 --> 00:03:44,666 THAT TOOK THE TEST, SIX OF US 97 00:03:44,666 --> 00:03:46,233 CAME DOWN WITH ORDERS FOR 98 00:03:46,233 --> 00:03:48,100 SPECIAL FORCES. 99 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:49,466 AND OUT OF THOSE SIX GUYS, TWO 100 00:03:49,466 --> 00:03:50,966 OF US GRADUATED. 101 00:03:50,966 --> 00:03:52,366 ABOUT A YEAR LATER. 102 00:03:52,366 --> 00:03:53,466 >> OH, WOW. 103 00:03:53,466 --> 00:03:55,066 WHY DO YOU THINK YOU MADE IT? 104 00:03:55,066 --> 00:03:59,066 >> IT WAS A MIRACLE. 105 00:03:59,066 --> 00:04:00,866 THIS IS A COMPLETELY -- YOU 106 00:04:00,866 --> 00:04:02,400 COULD WATCH AS MANY PROGRAMS ON 107 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,200 TELEVISION ABOUT SPECIAL FORCES 108 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:05,600 TRAINING, BUT UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY 109 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,133 GO THROUGH IT, YOU HAVE 110 00:04:07,133 --> 00:04:09,833 ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA. 111 00:04:09,833 --> 00:04:11,366 AND EVERY DAY YOU'RE BEING 112 00:04:11,366 --> 00:04:13,300 TESTED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 113 00:04:13,300 --> 00:04:15,633 AND THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS 114 00:04:15,633 --> 00:04:19,100 IS, I WAS THERE FOR ABOUT A 115 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:20,633 MONTH IN TRAINING AND I WAS 116 00:04:20,633 --> 00:04:22,266 CHANGING A LIGHT BULB. 117 00:04:22,266 --> 00:04:25,466 A LIGHT BULB HAD BURNED OUT IN 118 00:04:25,466 --> 00:04:26,766 THE HALLWAY IN THE BARRACKS. AND 119 00:04:26,766 --> 00:04:28,100 ONE OF THE SPECIAL FORCES GUYS, 120 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:29,800 CALLED THE GLOW IN THE DARK 121 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,300 GUYS, THESE ARE THE GUYS WHO 122 00:04:31,300 --> 00:04:32,966 HAVE TO ACCEPT YOU INTO THE 123 00:04:32,966 --> 00:04:34,966 FAMILY, HE SAID, GIVE ME THAT. 124 00:04:34,966 --> 00:04:36,333 AND SO I HANDED HIM THE LIGHT 125 00:04:36,333 --> 00:04:37,733 BULB, AND HE SMASHED IT ON THE 126 00:04:37,733 --> 00:04:39,566 FLOOR. 127 00:04:39,566 --> 00:04:41,066 HE PICKED UP THIS BIG SHARD OF 128 00:04:41,066 --> 00:04:42,466 GLASS. 129 00:04:42,466 --> 00:04:43,633 HE HANDED IT TO ME AND SAYS, EAT 130 00:04:43,633 --> 00:04:45,566 IT. 131 00:04:45,566 --> 00:04:47,666 AND I TOOK THIS SHARD OF GLASS, 132 00:04:47,666 --> 00:04:49,900 AND I PUT IT IN MY MOUTH AND I 133 00:04:49,900 --> 00:04:51,533 BIT DOWN ON IT, FULLY EXPECTED 134 00:04:51,533 --> 00:04:54,300 IT TO CUT ME UP. 135 00:04:54,300 --> 00:04:56,000 BUT IT TURNED INTO LITTLE 136 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,266 GRANULES OF SAND, COMPLETELY 137 00:04:59,266 --> 00:05:00,366 HARMLESS, WHICH HE OBVIOUSLY 138 00:05:00,366 --> 00:05:03,166 KNEW. 139 00:05:03,166 --> 00:05:05,800 BUT HE -- THIS WAS A TEST. 140 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,300 AND HE JUST KIND OF NODS AND 141 00:05:08,300 --> 00:05:10,933 WALKS AWAY. 142 00:05:10,933 --> 00:05:12,533 >> TRY TO EXPLAIN TO ME THE 143 00:05:12,533 --> 00:05:13,933 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SOLDIER AND 144 00:05:13,933 --> 00:05:16,866 A GREEN BERET. 145 00:05:16,866 --> 00:05:21,366 IT SAYS WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER, 146 00:05:21,366 --> 00:05:22,333 THOUGH WE BE THE LAST, WHICH 147 00:05:22,333 --> 00:05:23,466 MEANS WE DIE IN PLACE. 148 00:05:23,466 --> 00:05:24,966 WE DON'T SURRENDER. 149 00:05:24,966 --> 00:05:26,633 WE DIE IN PLACE. 150 00:05:26,633 --> 00:05:27,866 AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE'RE 151 00:05:27,866 --> 00:05:29,600 THE LAST. 152 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,300 AND I THINK A COUNTRY HAS TO 153 00:05:32,300 --> 00:05:34,333 HAVE THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE WITH 154 00:05:34,333 --> 00:05:36,200 THAT KIND OF MENTALITY, THAT WE 155 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,433 DON'T SURRENDER. 156 00:05:38,433 --> 00:05:40,200 AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE US 157 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,966 ON, YOU ARE GOING TO PAY. 158 00:05:41,966 --> 00:05:44,100 AND YOU'RE GOING TO PAY DEARLY. 159 00:05:44,100 --> 00:05:45,633 >> SO, NOW, I DIDN'T HEAR THIS 160 00:05:45,633 --> 00:05:47,300 FROM YOU, BUT I SAW A PHOTOGRAPH 161 00:05:47,300 --> 00:05:50,000 OF YOU WEARING A PURPLE HEART. 162 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,733 YOU WANT TO TELL US ABOUT THAT? 163 00:05:51,733 --> 00:05:53,233 >> THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A MEDAL THAT 164 00:05:53,233 --> 00:05:56,633 YOU DON'T WANT TO GET. 165 00:05:56,633 --> 00:05:59,133 BUT WE WERE IN A MISSION INTO 166 00:05:59,133 --> 00:06:01,200 NORTH VIETNAM, AND ON THE FIFTH 167 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:09,633 DAY, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE 168 00:06:09,633 --> 00:06:12,566 GETTING PULLED OUT THAT DAY, BUT 169 00:06:12,566 --> 00:06:14,466 WE HAD BEEN SURROUNDED BY THESE 170 00:06:14,466 --> 00:06:17,300 GUYS FOR THE WHOLE TIME THAT WE 171 00:06:17,300 --> 00:06:19,566 WERE THERE, BUT 172 00:06:19,566 --> 00:06:21,000 I HEARD SOME NOISE UP TO THE 173 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,500 SIDE OF OUR POSITION, AND I WENT 174 00:06:23,500 --> 00:06:25,633 DOWN THERE TO -- CRAWLED DOWN 175 00:06:25,633 --> 00:06:28,000 THERE, BASICALLY TO SEE WHAT WAS 176 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:33,333 GOING ON. 177 00:06:33,333 --> 00:06:36,866 WE WERE ON A RIDGE 178 00:06:36,866 --> 00:06:38,666 AND SO I PULLED OUT A GRENADE, 179 00:06:38,666 --> 00:06:40,800 AND I PULLED THE PIN OUT, OUT OF 180 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,333 THE GRENADE. 181 00:06:43,333 --> 00:06:45,333 AND ABOUT THAT TIME I HEARD A 182 00:06:45,333 --> 00:06:46,866 THUMP UP IN FRONT OF ME, AND THE 183 00:06:46,866 --> 00:06:49,766 NVA DOWN BELOW ME HAD THROWN A 184 00:06:49,766 --> 00:06:51,700 GRENADE UP TOWARDS ME, AND ABOUT 185 00:06:51,700 --> 00:06:54,266 THEN IT GOES OFF. 186 00:06:54,266 --> 00:06:56,433 AND I FEEL A SEARING PAIN IN MY 187 00:06:56,433 --> 00:06:58,133 NECK. 188 00:06:58,133 --> 00:06:59,800 AND SO MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS TO 189 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,533 GET RID OF THIS GRENADE WITH THE 190 00:07:01,533 --> 00:07:03,833 PIN OUT OF IT. 191 00:07:03,833 --> 00:07:05,600 AND I KNEW WHERE THAT GUY WAS. 192 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,633 AND I PUT IT DOWN THERE AND GOT 193 00:07:07,633 --> 00:07:09,166 HIM. 194 00:07:09,166 --> 00:07:11,033 AND THEN EVERYTHING ERUPTS AND 195 00:07:11,033 --> 00:07:14,200 WE GET INTO A BIG GUNFIGHT. 196 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,233 SO AT ONE POINT, I WAS UP 197 00:07:16,233 --> 00:07:18,833 AGAINST A TREE AND THESE BULLETS 198 00:07:18,833 --> 00:07:20,800 STARTED TO HIT RIGHT ABOVE MY 199 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,566 HEAD IN THE TREE, AND I ROLLED 200 00:07:22,566 --> 00:07:24,500 OVER ON MY SIDE TO GET LOWER TO 201 00:07:24,500 --> 00:07:26,400 THE GROUND. 202 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,300 AND THE BLOOD HAD POOLED IN MY 203 00:07:28,300 --> 00:07:29,966 LAP, JUST POURED ONTO THE GROUND 204 00:07:29,966 --> 00:07:31,566 LIKE A BUCKET, BECAUSE I BLED 205 00:07:31,566 --> 00:07:32,966 THAT MUCH IN A SHORT PERIOD OF 206 00:07:32,966 --> 00:07:34,533 TIME. 207 00:07:34,533 --> 00:07:36,033 AND THEN I JUST STARTED TO GO 208 00:07:36,033 --> 00:07:37,333 INTO SHOCK, AND MY VISION 209 00:07:37,333 --> 00:07:40,466 STARTED TO CLOSE DOWN. 210 00:07:40,466 --> 00:07:41,866 AND FORTUNATELY SOMEONE GOT UP 211 00:07:41,866 --> 00:07:43,800 TO ME AND PUT A PRESSURE BANDAGE 212 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,033 ON THERE AND GOT THE BLEEDING TO 213 00:07:46,033 --> 00:07:47,833 STOP. 214 00:07:47,833 --> 00:07:50,133 BUT WHEN THE HELICOPTERS CAME IN 215 00:07:50,133 --> 00:07:52,566 FINALLY, AND I CAN'T TELL THIS 216 00:07:52,566 --> 00:07:55,133 STORY WITHOUT SAYING HOW 217 00:07:55,133 --> 00:07:56,866 COURAGEOUS THOSE GUYS WERE 218 00:07:56,866 --> 00:07:58,933 BECAUSE THIS WAS BAD NEWS ALL 219 00:07:58,933 --> 00:08:01,266 AROUND, BUT THEY DID, AND WE GOT 220 00:08:01,266 --> 00:08:03,466 BACK AND -- TO DA NANG. 221 00:08:03,466 --> 00:08:06,500 AND I CONSIDER IT MY BEST DAY OF 222 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:08,066 MY LIFE BECAUSE EVERYBODY THAT 223 00:08:08,066 --> 00:08:10,166 WAS THERE WAS HUGGING US AND, 224 00:08:10,166 --> 00:08:12,466 YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE -- IT WAS 225 00:08:12,466 --> 00:08:14,233 JUST A MAGNIFICENT MOMENT. 226 00:08:14,233 --> 00:08:15,966 >> YOUR BEST DAY. 227 00:08:15,966 --> 00:08:17,633 >> YEAH, DEFINITELY BEST DAY. 228 00:08:17,633 --> 00:08:19,700 >> ALL RIGHT. 229 00:08:19,700 --> 00:08:21,133 SO AFTER NINE YEARS, YOU LEFT. 230 00:08:21,133 --> 00:08:23,333 TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT 231 00:08:23,333 --> 00:08:24,633 AND HOW YOU ENDED UP AS A 232 00:08:24,633 --> 00:08:26,433 WRITER. 233 00:08:26,433 --> 00:08:27,800 >> I HAD TOLD MYSELF WHEN MY 234 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,300 DEAR FRIEND, BILL BROWN, WAS 235 00:08:31,300 --> 00:08:32,900 KILLED, I'D JUST COME BACK, AND 236 00:08:32,900 --> 00:08:34,733 THEY TOLD ME THAT THE WHOLE TEAM 237 00:08:34,733 --> 00:08:37,200 HAD BEEN LOST. 238 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,166 AND I TOOK IT STOICALLY AT THE 239 00:08:39,166 --> 00:08:41,233 TIME, I JUST NODDED, BECAUSE, 240 00:08:41,233 --> 00:08:43,100 YOU KNOW, I HAD HEARD THAT KIND 241 00:08:43,100 --> 00:08:50,500 OF NEWS BEFORE. 242 00:08:50,500 --> 00:08:52,066 BUT THAT NIGHT, I WAS WALKING BY 243 00:08:52,066 --> 00:08:53,533 HIS HOOCH AND IT WAS HIS -- HIS 244 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:56,700 PARENTS HAD SENT HIM A LITTLE 245 00:08:56,700 --> 00:08:58,200 ARTIFICIAL CHRISTMAS TREE AND -- 246 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,833 BEFORE THEY WENT OUT ON THE 247 00:08:59,833 --> 00:09:01,300 MISSION. 248 00:09:01,300 --> 00:09:03,500 AND WE HAD TRIMMED THIS 249 00:09:03,500 --> 00:09:06,000 CHRISTMAS TREE. 250 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,766 AND THAT NIGHT I'M WALKING PAST 251 00:09:07,766 --> 00:09:09,700 THE HOOCH AND THE WIND BLEW THE 252 00:09:09,700 --> 00:09:11,433 DOOR OPEN. 253 00:09:11,433 --> 00:09:12,800 AND I LOOKED IN THE HOOCH AND 254 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,566 THERE WAS THAT CHRISTMAS TREE 255 00:09:14,566 --> 00:09:16,433 LIT UP. 256 00:09:16,433 --> 00:09:18,133 AND I JUST FELL TO MY KNEES. 257 00:09:18,133 --> 00:09:19,566 IT WAS THE ONLY TIME I EVER 258 00:09:19,566 --> 00:09:21,733 CRIED IN VIETNAM IN THE ALMOST 259 00:09:21,733 --> 00:09:23,300 THREE YEARS I SPENT THERE. 260 00:09:23,300 --> 00:09:24,800 AND I JUST FELL TO MY KNEES AND 261 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:30,600 I SOBBED. 262 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,266 AND WHEN I GOT UP, I SAID THAT 263 00:09:32,266 --> 00:09:35,600 SOMEDAY SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO 264 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,266 HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT -- ABOUT 265 00:09:38,266 --> 00:09:40,266 THESE PEOPLE. 266 00:09:40,266 --> 00:09:41,866 AND I DECIDED THEN I WAS GOING 267 00:09:41,866 --> 00:09:45,866 TO WRITE A BOOK ABOUT THIS. 268 00:09:45,866 --> 00:09:48,733 AND WHEN I GOT OUT, I WENT TO 269 00:09:48,733 --> 00:09:50,700 COLLEGE, THINKING THAT THEY 270 00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:52,500 COULD TEACH ME HOW TO WRITE, AND 271 00:09:52,500 --> 00:09:56,533 QUICKLY FOUND OUT THAT THEY 272 00:09:56,533 --> 00:09:58,400 CAN'T, BUT I ALSO FOUND OUT THAT 273 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,333 I HAD THE GIFT OF WRITING. 274 00:10:02,333 --> 00:10:04,500 AND I WAS ON THAT FIRST SENTENCE 275 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:06,766 OF THAT BOOK FOR FIVE YEARS. 276 00:10:06,766 --> 00:10:08,333 AND I WAS DOING THESE NOWHERE 277 00:10:08,333 --> 00:10:10,133 JOBS, JUST KEEPING MYSELF ALIVE, 278 00:10:10,133 --> 00:10:11,900 EVERY NIGHT COMING HOME AND 279 00:10:11,900 --> 00:10:13,733 TRYING TO START THIS BOOK. 280 00:10:13,733 --> 00:10:16,833 AND WHEN THE FIRST SENTENCE 281 00:10:16,833 --> 00:10:18,766 CAME, "AT 25 YARDS, THE FRONT 282 00:10:18,766 --> 00:10:20,733 SIDE OF THE MACHINE GUN NEARLY 283 00:10:20,733 --> 00:10:22,466 COVERED THE BACK OF THE RESTING 284 00:10:22,466 --> 00:10:23,666 SOLDIER'S HEAD", THAT'S -- IT 285 00:10:23,666 --> 00:10:25,266 STARTED, AND I WROTE THE WHOLE 286 00:10:25,266 --> 00:10:26,666 BOOK IN NINE MONTHS. 287 00:10:26,666 --> 00:10:29,133 >> AND HAD YOU NOT -- HAD YOU 288 00:10:29,133 --> 00:10:30,433 NOT HAD THAT EXPERIENCE, YOU 289 00:10:30,433 --> 00:10:41,066 MIGHT NOT HAVE EVEN HAD THE 290 00:10:41,066 --> 00:10:42,066 CALLING TO WRITE, WHO KNOWS? 291 00:10:42,066 --> 00:10:44,400 >> WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY IT. 292 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:45,800 AND SO I CONSIDER THE THREE 293 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,400 MAJOR BLESSINGS IN MY LIFE TO 294 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:48,533 HAVE BEEN, ONE, BEING ACCEPTED 295 00:10:48,533 --> 00:10:49,933 INTO THE SPECIAL FORCES FAMILY, 296 00:10:49,933 --> 00:10:51,533 WHICH IS EXTRAORDINARILY 297 00:10:51,533 --> 00:10:52,733 SPECIAL. 298 00:10:52,733 --> 00:10:54,633 THE SECOND BLESSING, A LOT OF 299 00:10:54,633 --> 00:10:56,800 PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS, 300 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,000 BUT IT IS VIETNAM BECAUSE 301 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,566 VIETNAM PROVIDED THE ATMOSPHERE 302 00:11:00,566 --> 00:11:02,733 TO HAVE THE BEST FRIENDSHIPS I 303 00:11:02,733 --> 00:11:04,466 WILL EVER HAVE IN THIS LIFE AND 304 00:11:04,466 --> 00:11:07,200 THE DEEPEST FRIENDSHIPS. 305 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,200 AND THE THIRD BLESSING IS HERE 306 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,000 AT THE DAILY PROGRESS BECAUSE 307 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,033 THIS HAS -- I LOVE THE DAILY 308 00:11:13,033 --> 00:11:15,933 PROGRESS, AND IT HAS GIVEN ME 309 00:11:15,933 --> 00:11:17,166 THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE MOST 310 00:11:17,166 --> 00:11:19,900 AMAZING THINGS FOR ALL THESE 311 00:11:19,900 --> 00:11:23,966 YEARS, TO BE STANDING RIGHT NEXT 312 00:11:23,966 --> 00:11:28,266 DOOR OR NEXT TO A SURGEON, 313 00:11:28,266 --> 00:11:29,833 HARVESTING A LIVER IN BECKLEY, 314 00:11:29,833 --> 00:11:31,700 WEST VIRGINIA, AND FLYING BACK 315 00:11:31,700 --> 00:11:34,566 WITH HIM AND STANDING NEXT TO 316 00:11:34,566 --> 00:11:36,700 HIM AS HE PUTS THE GOOD LIVER IN 317 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:39,133 A PERSON HERE AT UVA. 318 00:11:39,133 --> 00:11:41,233 AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST 319 00:11:41,233 --> 00:11:43,000 ENDLESS, ALL THESE OPPORTUNITIES 320 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,866 THAT YOU GET AS A JOURNALIST 321 00:11:44,866 --> 00:11:46,533 THAT YOU WOULDN'T GET IN ANY 322 00:11:46,533 --> 00:11:48,100 OTHER JOB, SO IT'S JUST A GREAT 323 00:11:48,100 --> 00:11:50,600 BLESSING. 324 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,466 AND YOU GET -- YOU KNOW, PEOPLE 325 00:11:52,466 --> 00:11:54,500 READ YOUR STUFF. 326 00:11:54,500 --> 00:11:57,066 SO WHAT'S BETTER FOR A WRITER 327 00:11:57,066 --> 00:11:58,900 THAN TO HAVE PEOPLE DOING THAT? 328 00:11:58,900 --> 00:12:00,700 >> WHAT'S THE MOST RISKY 329 00:12:00,700 --> 00:12:02,433 PROJECTS YOU'VE EVER ATTACKED? 330 00:12:02,433 --> 00:12:05,133 >> WELL, I TELL YOU THE ONE THAT 331 00:12:05,133 --> 00:12:06,800 JUMPS TO MIND IMMEDIATELY IS 332 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,566 THAT I DID THIS GUY WHO'S COMING 333 00:12:09,566 --> 00:12:11,666 HERE TO THE AREA TO HAVE THESE 334 00:12:11,666 --> 00:12:13,066 PEOPLE WALK ON COALS, RIGHT? 335 00:12:13,066 --> 00:12:16,233 >> OH, OH, OKAY. 336 00:12:16,233 --> 00:12:21,766 >> THE 1200 DEGREE COALS. 337 00:12:21,766 --> 00:12:23,800 AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS LIKE 338 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:24,633 TAKING A RUN AND GOING TIPPY 339 00:12:24,633 --> 00:12:25,833 TIPPY AND THEY'RE OFF OF THEM, 340 00:12:25,833 --> 00:12:27,266 RIGHT? 341 00:12:27,266 --> 00:12:38,133 BUT I SAID TO MYSELF, NOW, I CAN 342 00:12:38,133 --> 00:12:39,333 CAN'T DO THAT. 343 00:12:39,333 --> 00:12:40,433 I'M A SPECIAL FORCES GUY. 344 00:12:40,433 --> 00:12:41,600 AND IF I'M GOING TO -- IF I'M 345 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:42,933 GOING TO WALK ON THE COALS, I'M 346 00:12:42,933 --> 00:12:43,966 GOING TO WALK ON THE COALS, 347 00:12:43,966 --> 00:12:45,166 RIGHT? 348 00:12:45,166 --> 00:12:46,566 >> OKAY. 349 00:12:46,566 --> 00:12:47,866 >> SO I STEP OFF ONTO THESE 1200 350 00:12:47,866 --> 00:12:49,433 DEGREE COALS, AND SURPRISINGLY 351 00:12:49,433 --> 00:12:50,966 ENOUGH, IT FELT EXACTLY ON MY 352 00:12:50,966 --> 00:12:52,266 BARE FEET LIKE BURNING HOT COALS 353 00:12:52,266 --> 00:12:55,666 WOULD FEEL. 354 00:12:55,666 --> 00:12:57,333 AND I'M GOING, I'M IN TROUBLE 355 00:12:57,333 --> 00:12:59,200 HERE. 356 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,866 BUT WHAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING 357 00:13:00,866 --> 00:13:02,766 IS THAT IT DIDN'T REALLY BURN 358 00:13:02,766 --> 00:13:04,200 THE SOLES OF MY FEET LIKE YOU 359 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,966 WOULD THINK. 360 00:13:08,966 --> 00:13:10,333 AND YOU DID WRITE THE ARTICLE? 361 00:13:10,333 --> 00:13:13,133 >> I DID INDEED. 362 00:13:13,133 --> 00:13:14,300 >> IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO 363 00:13:14,300 --> 00:13:26,133 SEE WHAT YOU WROTE 364 00:13:26,133 --> 00:13:27,400 >> YEAH. 365 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:28,866 I'LL HAVE TO REVISIT THAT ONE. 366 00:13:28,866 --> 00:13:30,000 >> YEP, DEFINITELY HAVE TO DO 367 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:30,866 THAT. 368 00:13:30,866 --> 00:13:32,233 >> DAVID, THANK YOU. 369 00:13:32,233 --> 00:13:33,300 >> YOU'RE WELCOME. 370 00:13:33,300 --> 00:13:34,500 >> IT'S LIKE BLOWING UP A 371 00:13:34,500 --> 00:13:36,066 BALLOON. 372 00:13:36,066 --> 00:13:37,333 USE YOUR CHEEKS TO PUSH THE AIR. 373 00:13:37,333 --> 00:13:45,133 YEAH, SEE? 374 00:13:45,133 --> 00:13:47,100 GO AHEAD AND STAR AGAIN. 375 00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:51,566 STOCK, STOP, STOP 376 00:13:51,566 --> 00:13:52,566 LOVELY. 377 00:13:52,566 --> 00:13:53,800 >> OUR GUEST TODAY HAS OVER 378 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,600 THREE DECADES OF EXPERIENCE 379 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:56,666 WORKING IN GLASS, COLOR, AND 380 00:13:56,666 --> 00:13:58,066 LIGHT. 381 00:13:58,066 --> 00:13:59,200 JOIN US AS WE VISIT WITH MASTER 382 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:00,366 GLASS BLOWER CHARLES HALL. 383 00:14:00,366 --> 00:14:04,066 COME ON! 384 00:14:04,066 --> 00:14:05,666 >> CHARLES, WHAT INSPIRED YOU TO 385 00:14:05,666 --> 00:14:10,700 BECOME A MASTER GLASS BLOWER? 386 00:14:10,700 --> 00:14:12,866 >> MASS TO HER, THAT'S PRETTY 387 00:14:12,866 --> 00:14:13,633 HIGH PRAISE. 388 00:14:13,633 --> 00:14:16,500 >> BUT IT'S TRUE. 389 00:14:16,500 --> 00:14:16,900 >> THANK YOU 390 00:14:16,900 --> 00:14:17,566 >> GOSH, I DON'T KNOW. 391 00:14:17,566 --> 00:14:18,800 I'VE DONE IT FOR SO LONG, I'VE 392 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,266 KIND OF FORGOTTEN THE BEGINNING 393 00:14:20,266 --> 00:14:21,300 OF IT. 394 00:14:21,300 --> 00:14:22,866 I JUST KNOW THAT I REALLY LOVE 395 00:14:22,866 --> 00:14:24,633 DOING IT. 396 00:14:24,633 --> 00:14:25,933 IT'S AN AMAZING MATERIAL AND 397 00:14:25,933 --> 00:14:26,966 INCREDIBLE THING TO BE ABLE TO 398 00:14:26,966 --> 00:14:28,066 WORK WITH. 399 00:14:28,066 --> 00:14:29,066 >> AND YOU STARTED IN METAL, 400 00:14:29,066 --> 00:14:30,266 RIGHT? 401 00:14:30,266 --> 00:14:31,400 YOU WENT TO SCHOOL AND STARTED 402 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:32,600 IN METAL? 403 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,533 >> YEAH, I STARTED IN METALS. 404 00:14:34,533 --> 00:14:36,133 I'VE DONE PRETTY MUCH ALL 405 00:14:36,133 --> 00:14:37,533 DIFFERENT KINDS OF METALS, FROM 406 00:14:37,533 --> 00:14:41,400 MACHINING TO CASTING, FORGING, 407 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,066 JEWELRY MAKING AND, ACTUALLY, IN 408 00:14:43,066 --> 00:14:45,900 HINDSIGHT, I THINK IT WAS A 409 00:14:45,900 --> 00:14:50,500 REALLY GOOD WAY TO START INTO 410 00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:52,400 THIS PROCESS BECAUSE IT GAVE ME 411 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,100 A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT HOW 412 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:55,966 TEMPERATURE AFFECTS THINGS, 413 00:14:55,966 --> 00:14:58,000 WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT WITH THIS. 414 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,766 AND SO I KIND OF HAD A HEADS-UP 415 00:14:59,766 --> 00:15:01,666 WITH IT UNTIL I GOT INTO IT. 416 00:15:01,666 --> 00:15:03,700 >> WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR 417 00:15:03,700 --> 00:15:05,266 WORK. 418 00:15:05,266 --> 00:15:06,900 IF SOMEONE ASKED YOU TO DESCRIBE 419 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:08,700 YOUR WORK, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? 420 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:10,766 >> I'M NOT A BIG MOLD BLOWING 421 00:15:10,766 --> 00:15:12,166 PERSON. 422 00:15:12,166 --> 00:15:14,600 I REALLY LOVE THE MATERIAL 423 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,866 ITSELF, SO I'M WORKING WITH IT 424 00:15:17,866 --> 00:15:19,100 WHILE IT'S WORKING ITSELF, I 425 00:15:19,100 --> 00:15:20,366 GUESS IS THE WAY TO SAY IT. 426 00:15:20,366 --> 00:15:21,600 AND SO IT'S JUST BEEN A PROCESS 427 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,700 OF LEARNING TO LET GO OR 428 00:15:23,700 --> 00:15:26,300 LEARNING HOW TO GET SOMETHING TO 429 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:27,633 HAPPEN WITHOUT TOUCHING IT, YOU 430 00:15:27,633 --> 00:15:28,900 KNOW, LETTING IT DO WHAT IT 431 00:15:28,900 --> 00:15:30,233 WANTS TO DO. 432 00:15:30,233 --> 00:15:31,766 >> SO HOW DO YOU DO THAT? 433 00:15:31,766 --> 00:15:32,966 >> IT JUST TAKES PRACTICE. 434 00:15:32,966 --> 00:15:35,233 I WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO 435 00:15:35,233 --> 00:15:37,233 DESCRIBE IT. 436 00:15:37,233 --> 00:15:38,466 YOU WANT TO TOUCH SOMETHING, BUT 437 00:15:38,466 --> 00:15:39,900 IF YOU DON'T, WHAT HAPPENS? 438 00:15:39,900 --> 00:15:41,933 OH, LOOK AT THAT, YOU KNOW. 439 00:15:41,933 --> 00:15:43,800 IT'S A PROCESS OF DISCOVERY. 440 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,200 IT'S A LOVELY THING. 441 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,433 >> OKAY, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 442 00:15:46,433 --> 00:15:47,466 PROCESS. 443 00:15:47,466 --> 00:15:50,133 TAKE US THROUGH IT. 444 00:15:50,133 --> 00:15:51,500 >> WELL, SO, THIS IS A FURNACE 445 00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:52,933 WHICH HOLDS THE GLASS. 446 00:15:52,933 --> 00:15:54,233 >> ALL THAT WET, MELTED GLASS. 447 00:15:54,233 --> 00:15:55,466 >> THERE'S A SMALL TUB IN THERE 448 00:15:55,466 --> 00:15:56,766 THAT HOLDS ABOUT 80 POUNDS OF 449 00:15:56,766 --> 00:15:58,200 GLASS. 450 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,433 >> GLASS ITSELF IS BASICALLY 451 00:15:59,433 --> 00:16:01,066 DIRT. 452 00:16:01,066 --> 00:16:02,500 IT'S THE PRETTIEST DIRT ON THE 453 00:16:02,500 --> 00:16:05,566 PLANET. 454 00:16:05,566 --> 00:16:07,633 IT'S SAND. 455 00:16:07,633 --> 00:16:08,966 WHAT ALLOWS ME TO MELT IT IS 456 00:16:08,966 --> 00:16:10,700 THAT THE FORMULATION INCLUDES 457 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:13,433 FLUXES. 458 00:16:13,433 --> 00:16:14,800 AND FROM METAL, FLUX, WHEN YOU 459 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,300 DO WELDING, FLUX MELTS AT A VERY 460 00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:18,166 LOW TEMPERATURE. 461 00:16:18,166 --> 00:16:20,366 WHEN IT MELTS, IT TURNS REALLY 462 00:16:20,366 --> 00:16:22,200 ACIDIC AND IT EATS THE SILICA. 463 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:23,533 SO WHILE YOU THINK IT'S MELTING 464 00:16:23,533 --> 00:16:25,166 SAND, IT'S -- REALLY THE FLUX IS 465 00:16:25,166 --> 00:16:26,466 EATING THE SILICA IN THE 466 00:16:26,466 --> 00:16:27,966 SOLUTION. 467 00:16:27,966 --> 00:16:29,100 AND SO IT HAPPENS AT 2300 468 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:30,500 DEGREES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 469 00:16:30,500 --> 00:16:31,433 THAT TEMPERATURE -- CAN I SAY 470 00:16:31,433 --> 00:16:32,466 THIS STORY NOW? 471 00:16:32,466 --> 00:16:33,566 >> YES. 472 00:16:33,566 --> 00:16:34,600 >> THAT TEMPERATURE IS HOT 473 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:35,666 ENOUGH TO COOK A FULLY FROZEN 474 00:16:35,666 --> 00:16:37,066 JUMBO SHRIMP IN A SECOND AND A 475 00:16:37,066 --> 00:16:38,033 HALF, BUT IT CAN'T BE A STRAIGHT 476 00:16:38,033 --> 00:16:39,166 SECOND AND A HALF BECAUSE THAT 477 00:16:39,166 --> 00:16:41,066 WOULD EXPLODE IT. 478 00:16:41,066 --> 00:16:41,966 IT HAS TO GO IN, OUT, IN, OUT, 479 00:16:41,966 --> 00:16:43,433 IN, OUT, DONE. 480 00:16:43,433 --> 00:16:44,566 >> OKAY. 481 00:16:44,566 --> 00:16:46,266 >> AND WE COOK BEEF TIPS IN 482 00:16:46,266 --> 00:16:47,333 HERE, TOO. 483 00:16:47,333 --> 00:16:48,366 THEY TAKE LIKE FIFTEEN SECONDS. 484 00:16:48,366 --> 00:16:50,200 THEY'RE LOVELY. 485 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:51,166 IT'S MEAT CANDY, IT'S SO GOOD. 486 00:16:51,166 --> 00:16:52,366 >> OKAY, SO YOU -- 487 00:16:52,366 --> 00:16:53,333 >> GATHER THE GLASS. 488 00:16:53,333 --> 00:16:54,600 >> GATHER THE GLASS. 489 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:55,833 >> THE GLASS COMES OUT. 490 00:16:55,833 --> 00:16:57,866 HOPEFULLY I'VE MADE SOME SORT OF 491 00:16:57,866 --> 00:16:59,000 DECISION IN MY HEAD BEFORE I 492 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,400 START WORKING SO I KNOW WHAT IT 493 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:01,900 IS AT LEAST I'M TRYING TO MAKE. 494 00:17:01,900 --> 00:17:03,133 >> OKAY. 495 00:17:03,133 --> 00:17:04,400 >> SO MY COLORS WILL BE READY. 496 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,866 I'LL HAVE OTHER TOOLS OUT THAT I 497 00:17:05,866 --> 00:17:07,000 NEED. 498 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,633 AND THEN I LOVE WORKING WITH 499 00:17:08,633 --> 00:17:09,666 COLOR. 500 00:17:09,666 --> 00:17:11,066 I THINK THAT GLASS AND COLOR ARE 501 00:17:11,066 --> 00:17:12,166 JUST FABULOUS TOGETHER, SO I 502 00:17:12,166 --> 00:17:16,400 COLOR THINGS. 503 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:17,733 AND THEN THE WAY THAT I'M 504 00:17:17,733 --> 00:17:19,066 PUTTING IT TOGETHER, I'M ADDING 505 00:17:19,066 --> 00:17:20,400 THINGS IN PLACES BUT IT THEN IS 506 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:21,533 GOING TO MOVE THE WAY IT WANTS 507 00:17:21,533 --> 00:17:22,766 TO MOVE BECAUSE OF THE THINGS 508 00:17:22,766 --> 00:17:23,766 I'VE PUT IN THE PLACES THAT I'VE 509 00:17:23,766 --> 00:17:24,633 PUT THEM SO -- 510 00:17:24,633 --> 00:17:25,800 >> BECAUSE OF THE BALANCE. 511 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,800 >> BECAUSE OF THE BALANCE, 512 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,533 BECAUSE OF THE EXTRA MASSES, THE 513 00:17:29,533 --> 00:17:31,700 TEMPERATURE CAUSES MOVEMENT IN 514 00:17:31,700 --> 00:17:33,000 CERTAIN DIRECTIONS, BUT I JUST 515 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,366 LET IT DO ITS MOVEMENT AS MUCH 516 00:17:34,366 --> 00:17:35,633 AS I CAN. 517 00:17:35,633 --> 00:17:36,800 I'M NOT PULLING IT OUT OR 518 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,933 FORCING IT TO DO THAT. 519 00:17:38,933 --> 00:17:40,933 AND SO I THINK -- I THINK MY 520 00:17:40,933 --> 00:17:43,200 WORK RETAINS A LOT OF FLUIDITY. 521 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,033 IT RETAINS A LOT OF THE 522 00:17:45,033 --> 00:17:46,233 PROPERTIES THAT THE GLASS HAS 523 00:17:46,233 --> 00:17:47,466 WHEN IT'S MOLTEN. 524 00:17:47,466 --> 00:17:49,466 AND I REALLY LIKE THAT. 525 00:17:49,466 --> 00:17:51,166 I REALLY -- I'VE DONE A LOT OF 526 00:17:51,166 --> 00:17:53,133 OCEAN WORK, AND I THINK MY GLASS 527 00:17:53,133 --> 00:17:55,066 LENDS ITSELF TO LOOKING LIKE 528 00:17:55,066 --> 00:17:56,666 IT'S GROWN ON THE BOTTOM OF THE 529 00:17:56,666 --> 00:17:58,533 OCEAN. 530 00:17:58,533 --> 00:17:59,766 IT HAS A VERY, VERY, I DON'T 531 00:17:59,766 --> 00:18:01,400 KNOW, ALIVE FEELING. 532 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,066 >> WELL, AND THEN YOU TAKE IT 533 00:18:03,066 --> 00:18:05,066 OUT OF HERE AND YOU SPIN IT. 534 00:18:05,066 --> 00:18:08,566 >> YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT MOVING. 535 00:18:08,566 --> 00:18:10,233 IT HAS LIQUID PROPERTIES SO IT 536 00:18:10,233 --> 00:18:12,066 IS AFFECTED BY GRAVITY, IT'S 537 00:18:12,066 --> 00:18:15,900 AFFECTED BY CENTRIFUGAL FORCE. 538 00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:17,566 SO ANY TYPE OF MOVEMENT LIKE 539 00:18:17,566 --> 00:18:20,400 THIS IS GOING TO ELONGATE IT. 540 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,266 ANY MOVEMENT THAT GOES LIKE HAS 541 00:18:22,266 --> 00:18:23,733 A TENDENCY TO THROW IT OUT. 542 00:18:23,733 --> 00:18:25,533 THEN HOLD IT UP AND DOWN AND 543 00:18:25,533 --> 00:18:26,766 IT'S GOING TO FOLD IN, TRY AND 544 00:18:26,766 --> 00:18:28,700 FOLD IN ON ITSELF AND FALL. 545 00:18:28,700 --> 00:18:30,966 AND, I MEAN, ALL THOSE ARE 546 00:18:30,966 --> 00:18:32,200 VIABLE WAYS TO TRY AND GET THE 547 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,766 GLASS TO MOVE. 548 00:18:33,766 --> 00:18:35,900 SOMETIMES IT'S AS SIMPLE AS JUST 549 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:36,966 STOPPING TURNING AND LETTING IT 550 00:18:36,966 --> 00:18:38,166 DO SOMETHING. 551 00:18:38,166 --> 00:18:39,800 >> RIGHT. 552 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,000 >> YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST -- 553 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,100 PRETTY MUCH EVERY MOVEMENT YOU 554 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:43,533 DO IS GOING TO HAVE SOME EFFECT 555 00:18:43,533 --> 00:18:44,866 ON IT. 556 00:18:44,866 --> 00:18:46,600 >> SO THE WHOLE TIME YOU'RE 557 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:47,800 WORKING, YOU'RE CONTINUALLY 558 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:48,933 PUTTING IT BACK INTO -- WHAT IS 559 00:18:48,933 --> 00:18:50,466 THAT? 560 00:18:50,466 --> 00:18:52,000 >> IT'S CALLED THE GLORY HOLE 561 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,233 BECAUSE THE MINUTE YOU PULL IT 562 00:18:53,233 --> 00:18:54,300 OUT OF THE FURNACE, IT'S 563 00:18:54,300 --> 00:18:55,433 STARTING TO COOL. 564 00:18:55,433 --> 00:18:56,800 >> RIGHT. 565 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,866 >> AS IT COOLS, IT LOSES ITS 566 00:18:59,866 --> 00:19:01,266 SOFTNESS, BECOMES HARD. 567 00:19:01,266 --> 00:19:02,866 AND IF YOU WANT TO KEEP WORKING 568 00:19:02,866 --> 00:19:04,000 IT, YOU NEED TO REHEAT IT. 569 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,000 >> SO YOU CAN EXPERIMENT BUT YOU 570 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,033 HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE IT IS 571 00:19:06,033 --> 00:19:07,066 VERY HOT. 572 00:19:07,066 --> 00:19:08,600 >> OH! 573 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:09,700 >> FOR EXAMPLE, HOW MANY TIMES, 574 00:19:09,700 --> 00:19:10,766 CAN YOU EVEN COUNT HOW MANY 575 00:19:10,766 --> 00:19:11,966 TIMES YOU'VE BEEN BURNED? 576 00:19:11,966 --> 00:19:12,900 >> I COULDN'T EVEN TELL YOU. 577 00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:13,900 >> YOU STILL HAVE YOUR EYEBROWS, 578 00:19:13,900 --> 00:19:15,366 I SEE. 579 00:19:15,366 --> 00:19:16,466 >> YEAH, SOMETIMES. 580 00:19:16,466 --> 00:19:17,633 I MEAN, YOU CAN'T -- IF YOU'RE 581 00:19:17,633 --> 00:19:18,700 COUNTING YOUR BURNS, YOU MIGHT 582 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:19,600 AS WELL NOT BOTHER. 583 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,166 >> RIGHT. 584 00:19:21,166 --> 00:19:22,166 >> IT'S -- I MEAN, YOU JUST -- 585 00:19:22,166 --> 00:19:23,500 IT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 586 00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:24,666 YOU'RE GONNA GET BURNED. 587 00:19:24,666 --> 00:19:25,733 >> RIGHT. 588 00:19:25,733 --> 00:19:26,766 >> I REALLY -- I JUST -- I WANT 589 00:19:26,766 --> 00:19:28,133 TO BE HERE. 590 00:19:28,133 --> 00:19:29,600 I LIKE DOING THIS STUFF. 591 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,033 AND I -- YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER 592 00:19:31,033 --> 00:19:32,000 EVEN CONSIDERED THE TIME, YOU 593 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,133 KNOW. 594 00:19:33,133 --> 00:19:34,066 I MEAN, I KNOW HOW LONG I'VE 595 00:19:34,066 --> 00:19:35,100 DONE IT BUT IT'S NOT LIKE -- 596 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:36,033 >> YEAH, HOW LONG? 597 00:19:36,033 --> 00:19:37,233 >> 28 YEARS. 598 00:19:37,233 --> 00:19:42,866 >> YEAH, 28 YEARS. 599 00:19:42,866 --> 00:19:43,566 >> BUT I'M NOT SAYING IT LIKE, 600 00:19:43,566 --> 00:19:44,566 OH, 28 YEARS, YOU KNOW, LIKE 601 00:19:44,566 --> 00:19:45,433 POOR THING. 602 00:19:45,433 --> 00:19:47,033 >> WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO 603 00:19:47,033 --> 00:19:48,033 TALKING ABOUT THE CREATIVITY OF 604 00:19:48,033 --> 00:19:49,033 IT AND HOW YOU PUT IT ALL 605 00:19:49,033 --> 00:19:49,900 TOGETHER. 606 00:19:49,900 --> 00:19:50,966 TALK ABOUT THE VARIETY OF PIECES 607 00:19:50,966 --> 00:19:51,966 THAT YOU MAKE. 608 00:19:51,966 --> 00:19:53,166 >> WELL I -- YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND 609 00:19:53,166 --> 00:19:54,033 OF LARGE. 610 00:19:54,033 --> 00:19:55,300 >> JUST RATTLE OFF A HANDFUL. 611 00:19:55,300 --> 00:19:56,500 SO, CONCH SHELLS, VASES -- 612 00:19:56,500 --> 00:19:57,633 >> WELL, VASES, BOWLS, 613 00:19:57,633 --> 00:20:00,000 ORNAMENTS, ALL THAT BASIC STUFF. 614 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,633 BUT THEN I STARTED MAKING FISH, 615 00:20:01,633 --> 00:20:03,600 I'VE DONE -- I'VE MADE CORAL, 616 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:04,700 TRUMPETS, TOOT, YOU KNOW WHAT I 617 00:20:04,700 --> 00:20:05,700 MEAN. 618 00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:06,766 >> OKAY. 619 00:20:06,766 --> 00:20:08,066 SO THAT SOUNDS DIFFICULT, SO 620 00:20:08,066 --> 00:20:09,933 JUST TALK ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY. 621 00:20:09,933 --> 00:20:10,833 COMPARE THE DEGREE OF 622 00:20:10,833 --> 00:20:12,400 DIFFICULTY. 623 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,566 SO YOU MAKE AN ORNAMENT, WHICH 624 00:20:13,566 --> 00:20:15,266 IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE SIMPLER 625 00:20:15,266 --> 00:20:16,533 THINGS YOU MAKE. 626 00:20:16,533 --> 00:20:18,166 >> BUT STILL TAKES A LITTLE BIT, 627 00:20:18,166 --> 00:20:19,433 YOU KNOW. 628 00:20:19,433 --> 00:20:20,533 GLASS -- I THINK AN ORNAMENT, IT 629 00:20:20,533 --> 00:20:21,666 PROBABLY TOOK ME FOUR YEARS TO 630 00:20:21,666 --> 00:20:22,800 BE ABLE TO MAKE A GOOD ORNAMENT. 631 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,366 >> OKAY. 632 00:20:24,366 --> 00:20:25,733 >> IT'S NOT -- AND THIS HAPPENS 633 00:20:25,733 --> 00:20:26,933 A LOT; PEOPLE COME INTO THE SHOP 634 00:20:26,933 --> 00:20:27,766 AND THEY SEE ME WORK AND THEY 635 00:20:27,766 --> 00:20:28,933 GO, WOW, THAT'S SO COOL, I WANT 636 00:20:28,933 --> 00:20:30,166 TO DO THIS. 637 00:20:30,166 --> 00:20:31,166 AND THEN THEY TRY AND THEY'RE 638 00:20:31,166 --> 00:20:32,433 LIKE, MAN, THIS IS HARD. 639 00:20:32,433 --> 00:20:33,900 I'M LIKE, YEAH, IT IS. 640 00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:35,133 THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY DAYS 641 00:20:35,133 --> 00:20:36,333 WHEN I'VE WALKED ON BROKEN 642 00:20:36,333 --> 00:20:38,566 GLASS, YOU HAVE NO IDEA, AND SO 643 00:20:38,566 --> 00:20:40,233 MANY TIMES WHERE I BLOW 644 00:20:40,233 --> 00:20:41,900 SOMETHING AND IT GOES BLOOP AND 645 00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:43,433 JUST SOMETHING WEIRD. 646 00:20:43,433 --> 00:20:46,366 IT'S VERY -- IT'S REALLY 647 00:20:46,366 --> 00:20:47,566 INTENTIONAL AND IT'S -- AND PART 648 00:20:47,566 --> 00:20:48,866 OF THAT PROCESS WAS LEARNING HOW 649 00:20:48,866 --> 00:20:49,866 NOT TO DO THINGS. 650 00:20:49,866 --> 00:20:51,533 >> RIGHT. 651 00:20:51,533 --> 00:20:52,833 >> YOU KNOW YOU CAN BE -- YOU 652 00:20:52,833 --> 00:20:54,233 CAN TOTALLY MOLD SOMETHING, BUT 653 00:20:54,233 --> 00:20:55,266 BEING ABLE TO DO IT FREE AND IN 654 00:20:55,266 --> 00:20:56,566 THE AIR AND LETTING IT DO WHAT 655 00:20:56,566 --> 00:20:57,966 IT WANTS TO DO, I -- IT'S MUCH 656 00:20:57,966 --> 00:20:59,000 -- IT LOOKS BETTER TO ME. 657 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,366 >> YEAH. 658 00:21:00,366 --> 00:21:02,600 >> BUT ALLOWING -- YOU KNOW, 659 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,166 LEARNING HOW TO DO THAT, IT'S -- 660 00:21:04,166 --> 00:21:05,733 YOU KNOW, IT TAKES TIME. 661 00:21:05,733 --> 00:21:07,166 YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAY -- PEOPLE 662 00:21:07,166 --> 00:21:08,500 SAY, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO 663 00:21:08,500 --> 00:21:09,933 MAKE THAT PIECE? 664 00:21:09,933 --> 00:21:11,366 AND I'VE LITERALLY GOTTEN TO THE 665 00:21:11,366 --> 00:21:14,700 POINT WHERE I SAY 28 YEARS, 666 00:21:14,700 --> 00:21:15,933 BECAUSE I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN 667 00:21:15,933 --> 00:21:17,633 ABLE TO MAKE IT IF I HADN'T BEEN 668 00:21:17,633 --> 00:21:22,766 DOING THIS WORK FOR THAT LONG. 669 00:21:22,766 --> 00:21:24,366 >> SO YOU WERE 2014 STATE 670 00:21:24,366 --> 00:21:26,800 AMBASSADOR OF GLASS. 671 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:31,333 >> I WAS CHOSEN BY THE ARTISANS 672 00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:33,600 CENTER OF VIRGINIA, AND I'M NOT 673 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:34,833 QUITE SURE WHAT ALL THE 674 00:21:34,833 --> 00:21:36,100 RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, BUT THE 675 00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:37,633 ARTISANS CENTER, I'VE BEEN 676 00:21:37,633 --> 00:21:38,833 INVOLVED WITH THEM, I DON'T 677 00:21:38,833 --> 00:21:40,933 KNOW, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN YEARS, 678 00:21:40,933 --> 00:21:42,400 AND THEY ARE FIGHTING A GOOD 679 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,033 FIGHT FOR THE ARTS IN VIRGINIA, 680 00:21:44,033 --> 00:21:45,366 AS FAR AS I CAN TELL. 681 00:21:45,366 --> 00:21:47,300 THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER ARTISAN 682 00:21:47,300 --> 00:21:48,500 TRAILS. 683 00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:49,766 I'M SURE YOU SAW THE SIGN FOR 684 00:21:49,766 --> 00:21:50,800 IT. 685 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,000 >> SO THAT'S A NICE DEAL, 686 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,433 THOUGH, TO HAVE THAT HONOR. 687 00:21:53,433 --> 00:21:55,400 >> YEAH. I'LL PUT THAT ON MY 688 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,100 RESUME. 689 00:21:58,100 --> 00:21:59,300 >> SO YOU'RE HERE AT MCGUFFEY. 690 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:00,833 TALK ABOUT HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN 691 00:22:00,833 --> 00:22:02,633 HERE. 692 00:22:02,633 --> 00:22:04,633 >> I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUILDING 693 00:22:04,633 --> 00:22:06,100 FOR 14 YEARS, I THINK. 694 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:07,400 >> SO HERE IN CHARLOTTESVILLE. 695 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,933 >> 14 YEARS. 696 00:22:08,933 --> 00:22:10,166 >> AND ANOTHER 14 OR 15 IN NEW 697 00:22:10,166 --> 00:22:11,166 YORK. 698 00:22:11,166 --> 00:22:12,200 >> IN NEW YORK, IN THE FINGER 699 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,466 LAKES, YEAH. 700 00:22:13,466 --> 00:22:14,866 >> SO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE 701 00:22:14,866 --> 00:22:15,966 GALLERIES. 702 00:22:15,966 --> 00:22:16,966 YOUR WORK IS IN DIFFERENT -- WE 703 00:22:16,966 --> 00:22:18,133 HAVE SOME LOCAL SPOTS THAT YOU 704 00:22:18,133 --> 00:22:19,366 HAVE. 705 00:22:19,366 --> 00:22:20,300 >> I HAVE WORK IN VIVIENNE'S, 706 00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:21,166 WHICH I'VE -- I'VE SOLD TO 707 00:22:21,166 --> 00:22:22,166 VIVIENNE SINCE I CAME TO TOWN. 708 00:22:22,166 --> 00:22:23,433 >> WOW. 709 00:22:23,433 --> 00:22:24,333 ON THE DOWNTOWN MALL 710 00:22:24,333 --> 00:22:25,833 >> YEAH. 711 00:22:25,833 --> 00:22:26,966 IT'S BEEN A REALLY GOOD 712 00:22:26,966 --> 00:22:28,166 SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP. 713 00:22:28,166 --> 00:22:34,233 YOU KNOW, I TELL PEOPLE TO GO 714 00:22:34,233 --> 00:22:35,033 DOWN TO HERE; SHE TELLS PEOPLE 715 00:22:35,033 --> 00:22:36,233 TO COME TO ME. 716 00:22:36,233 --> 00:22:37,500 I'VE GOTTEN SOME CUSTOM WORK OUT 717 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:38,766 OF IT. 718 00:22:38,766 --> 00:22:39,733 AND I GET TO DISPLAY WORK AT A 719 00:22:39,733 --> 00:22:41,233 GREAT PLACE ON THE MALL. 720 00:22:41,233 --> 00:22:42,166 I SELL AT A PLACE OUT IN THE 721 00:22:42,166 --> 00:22:43,400 MIDDLE OF NOWHERE CALLED THE 722 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,466 BARN SWALLOW. 723 00:22:44,466 --> 00:22:45,866 >> OH, THAT'S, ON 250. 724 00:22:45,866 --> 00:22:46,766 THAT'S FABULOUS. 725 00:22:46,766 --> 00:22:47,766 >> I KNOW. 726 00:22:47,766 --> 00:22:48,866 THEY'RE LOVELY. 727 00:22:48,866 --> 00:22:49,900 THEY'RE LOVELY. 728 00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:50,866 AND I SELL AT THE GALLERY AT SUN 729 00:22:50,866 --> 00:22:52,266 SPOTS WHERE I WORK. 730 00:22:52,266 --> 00:22:54,866 >> WHICH IS IN STAUNTON. 731 00:22:54,866 --> 00:22:57,966 >> WHICH IS IN STANTON. 732 00:22:57,966 --> 00:22:59,200 >> WHICH IS IN STANTON. 733 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,333 BUT I USED TO DO SHOWS FROM 734 00:23:00,333 --> 00:23:01,366 MAINE TO FLORIDA, CHICAGO TO NEW 735 00:23:01,366 --> 00:23:02,333 ORLEANS. 736 00:23:02,333 --> 00:23:03,300 AND I'VE -- MAN, I'VE TRAVELED 737 00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:04,366 SO MANY MILES, AND JUST AT SOME 738 00:23:04,366 --> 00:23:05,266 POINT IT GOT KIND OF TIRING. 739 00:23:05,266 --> 00:23:06,100 >> WELL, AND TALK ABOUT -- YOUR 740 00:23:06,100 --> 00:23:07,200 WORK, I MEAN, YOU'VE SOLD IT TO 741 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:07,933 PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, 742 00:23:07,933 --> 00:23:09,066 RIGHT? 743 00:23:09,066 --> 00:23:13,866 >> YEAH. 744 00:23:13,866 --> 00:23:14,800 >> AND I THINK A LOT OF -- A LOT 745 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:15,733 OF WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE I 746 00:23:15,733 --> 00:23:16,700 STOPPED DOING SHOWS, IT'S BEEN A 747 00:23:16,700 --> 00:23:17,866 DIFFERENT KIND OF GROUNDING, AND 748 00:23:17,866 --> 00:23:18,933 SO IT'S MORE LIKE, INSTEAD OF 749 00:23:18,933 --> 00:23:19,833 RUNNING OUT AND TRYING TO SELL 750 00:23:19,833 --> 00:23:21,066 MY WORK EVERYWHERE, INSTEAD I'M 751 00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:21,966 JUST SLOWLY, IF IT HAPPENS, IT'S 752 00:23:21,966 --> 00:23:25,966 GOING TO HAPPEN. 753 00:23:25,966 --> 00:23:28,300 >> THIS WILL BE GREEN AND YELLOW 754 00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:30,066 WITH A SWIRL IN IT. 755 00:23:30,066 --> 00:23:32,800 >> YOU DO SHOWS HERE, THERE'S AN 756 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,433 ANNUAL OPEN HOUSE 757 00:23:37,433 --> 00:23:38,100 MCGUFFEY HAS AN ANNUAL OPEN 758 00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:38,766 HOUSE EVERY DECEMBER, RIGHT? 759 00:23:38,766 --> 00:23:39,533 >> WE HAVE A HOLIDAY -- HOLIDAY 760 00:23:39,533 --> 00:23:40,533 OPEN HOUSE. 761 00:23:40,533 --> 00:23:41,366 WE'VE DONE THAT EVER SINCE WE'VE 762 00:23:41,366 --> 00:23:42,333 BEEN IN HERE. 763 00:23:42,333 --> 00:23:44,900 WE HAVE AN OPEN DOOR POLICY FOR 764 00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:45,733 THE PUBLIC. 765 00:23:45,733 --> 00:23:46,700 AND I ALSO DO BENEFIT WORK FOR 766 00:23:46,700 --> 00:23:47,800 2ND STREET GALLERY. 767 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,466 I'VE DONE BENEFIT WORK FOR 768 00:23:50,466 --> 00:23:51,800 I'VE DONE BENEFIT WORK FOR 769 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:52,733 PIEDMONT CRAFT. 770 00:23:52,733 --> 00:23:53,633 I'LL DO IT FOR ANYBODY THAT 771 00:23:53,633 --> 00:23:54,533 WANTS TO DO IT. 772 00:23:54,533 --> 00:23:55,533 >> AND CAN PEOPLE JUST WALK IN 773 00:23:55,533 --> 00:23:56,900 YOUR STUDIO WHEN YOU'RE HERE OR 774 00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:57,866 SHOULD THEY HAVE AN APPOINTMENT? 775 00:23:57,866 --> 00:23:59,533 >> OH, IT'S -- NOW, WITH THE 776 00:23:59,533 --> 00:24:01,966 TIME THAT I'M SPENDING IN 777 00:24:01,966 --> 00:24:03,100 STANTON, I'M GOING TO HAVE A 778 00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:04,166 COUPLE OF DAYS THAT ARE GONNA BE 779 00:24:04,166 --> 00:24:05,300 OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT 780 00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:06,233 GENERALLY IT'S GOING TO BE BY 781 00:24:06,233 --> 00:24:07,433 APPOINTMENT. 782 00:24:07,433 --> 00:24:08,366 AND THERE WILL PROBABLY BE 783 00:24:08,366 --> 00:24:09,800 PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE IT. 784 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,700 I GET A LOT OF REPEAT, REPEAT 785 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:12,833 PEOPLE, BUT PEOPLE LOVE IT. 786 00:24:12,833 --> 00:24:13,833 >> YEAH. 787 00:24:13,833 --> 00:24:14,766 >> THEY THINK IT'S THE COOLEST 788 00:24:14,766 --> 00:24:16,900 THING IN THE WORLD. 789 00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:20,900 AND IT IS. 790 00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:28,866 TALK ABOUT THIS PASSION THAT YOU 791 00:24:28,866 --> 00:24:30,033 AND HOW THAT IS PART OF YOUR 792 00:24:30,033 --> 00:24:32,066 WORK. TALK ABOUT THAT. 793 00:24:32,066 --> 00:24:32,966 >> I MEAN, IT'S LIKE EVERYTHING. 794 00:24:32,966 --> 00:24:34,400 COLOR, LIGHT, IT'S ALL OF IT. 795 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,800 YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T -- YOU SEE 796 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,000 IT IN EVERYTHING YOU LOOK AT. 797 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,066 GLASS, SOMETHING ABOUT THE WAY 798 00:24:38,066 --> 00:24:39,000 GLASS TRANSMITS OR REFLECTS AND 799 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:39,933 THE DISTORTIONS THAT IT MAKES 800 00:24:39,933 --> 00:24:41,333 AND HOW IT -- YOU KNOW, I MEAN, 801 00:24:41,333 --> 00:24:42,400 YOU CAN -- I'LL MAKE A SIMPLE 802 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,366 PAPERWEIGHT, BUT THEN I'LL GRIND 803 00:24:43,366 --> 00:24:44,400 A LENS IT IN. 804 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,466 AND SO YOU CAN LOOK IN THIS 805 00:24:45,466 --> 00:24:46,500 THING AND SEE THE PATTERN OF 806 00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:47,933 COLOR, BUT THEN IF YOU LOOK 807 00:24:47,933 --> 00:24:49,000 THROUGH THE LENS, IT'S A 808 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,033 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE 809 00:24:50,033 --> 00:24:51,366 OF THE SAME THING. 810 00:24:51,366 --> 00:24:52,333 AND YOU CAN DO THAT WITH GLASS, 811 00:24:52,333 --> 00:24:53,400 AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH OTHER 812 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,633 MATERIAL. 813 00:24:55,633 --> 00:24:57,133 YOU KNOW, METAL IS BEAUTIFUL, 814 00:24:57,133 --> 00:24:58,266 BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SEE 815 00:24:58,266 --> 00:24:59,833 THROUGH IT; ALL YOU CAN DO IS 816 00:24:59,833 --> 00:25:02,033 REFLECT, SO THAT'S ALL YOU'RE 817 00:25:02,033 --> 00:25:03,300 GOING TO GET IN ITS LIGHT, EVEN 818 00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:05,666 IF YOU, YOU KNOW, START DOING 819 00:25:05,666 --> 00:25:07,033 ENAMEL WORK. 820 00:25:07,033 --> 00:25:08,666 YOU KNOW, ENAMEL, YOU'RE ONLY 821 00:25:08,666 --> 00:25:09,833 GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT AS A 822 00:25:09,833 --> 00:25:11,000 REFLECTION OF LIGHT. 823 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,066 AND I LOVE ENAMEL WORK. 824 00:25:12,066 --> 00:25:13,566 I THINK SOME OF IT IS GORGEOUS. 825 00:25:13,566 --> 00:25:15,400 BUT IT'S -- YOU DON'T GET WHAT 826 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,666 YOU GET WITH GLASS. 827 00:25:19,666 --> 00:25:21,233 AND THE FORMING OF IT, IT'S 360 828 00:25:21,233 --> 00:25:23,066 DEGREES TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. 829 00:25:23,066 --> 00:25:24,966 I MEAN, IT'S INFINITE. 830 00:25:24,966 --> 00:25:27,700 YOU COULD MAKE ANYTHING. 831 00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:30,300 SOME PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF THAT, 832 00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:34,266 YOU KNOW, PICK UP THE PLIERS AND 833 00:25:34,266 --> 00:25:35,233 PULL. 834 00:25:35,233 --> 00:25:36,800 I MEAN, WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE 835 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:47,600 GOING TO GET? 836 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,900 >> THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK. 837 00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:52,333 FOR WHTJ, I'M TERRI ALLARD. 838 00:25:52,333 --> 00:25:53,833 SEE YOU NEXT TIME ON 839 00:25:53,833 --> 00:25:56,466 CHARLOTTESVILLE INSIDE-OUT. 840 00:25:56,466 --> 00:25:57,366 >> BLOW! 841 00:25:57,366 --> 00:26:02,266 KEEP GOING. 842 00:26:02,266 --> 00:26:03,966 MORE, MORE, MORE. 843 00:26:03,966 --> 00:26:05,200 KEEP GOING. 844 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,666 GO, GO, GO, GO. 845 00:26:06,666 --> 00:26:08,000 STOP RIGHT THERE. 846 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:24,200 PERFECT. 847 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,533 >> THIS PRESENTATION WAS MADE 848 00:26:25,533 --> 00:26:27,666 POSSIBLE THANKS IN PART TO THE 849 00:26:27,666 --> 00:26:29,200 PATRONS OF "CHARLOTTESVILLE 850 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,966 INSIDE-OUT", COMMITTED TO 851 00:26:30,966 --> 00:26:32,333 EXPLORING THE PEOPLE, PLACES, 852 00:26:32,333 --> 00:26:34,166 AND QUALITY OF LIFE THAT 853 00:26:34,166 --> 00:26:45,766 UNIQUELY DEFINE CHARLOTTESVILLE 854 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:45,766 AND ITS SURROUNDINGS.