1 00:00:00,767 --> 00:00:01,935 (upbeat music) 2 00:00:01,935 --> 00:00:04,170 >>This is like blowing up a balloon. 3 00:00:04,170 --> 00:00:06,740 Use your cheeks to push the air. 4 00:00:06,740 --> 00:00:08,641 Push, yeah, see, look, keep going. 5 00:00:08,641 --> 00:00:09,876 Okay, stop, stop. 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,448 Okay, go ahead and start again. 7 00:00:15,448 --> 00:00:16,282 Stop, stop. 8 00:00:16,282 --> 00:00:17,517 Whoa, stop, stop, stop. 9 00:00:17,517 --> 00:00:19,019 (Charles laughing) 10 00:00:19,019 --> 00:00:19,853 Lovely. 11 00:00:21,054 --> 00:00:23,156 >>Our guest today has close to three decades 12 00:00:23,156 --> 00:00:26,559 of experience working in glass, color and light. 13 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:30,363 Join us as we visit with master glass blower, Charles Hall. 14 00:00:30,363 --> 00:00:31,765 Come on. 15 00:00:31,765 --> 00:00:34,334 (upbeat music) 16 00:00:35,835 --> 00:00:39,005 Charles, what inspired you to become a master glass blower? 17 00:00:39,005 --> 00:00:42,075 >>Ooh, master, that's very high praise. 18 00:00:42,075 --> 00:00:42,976 >>But it's true. 19 00:00:42,976 --> 00:00:43,943 >>Well, thank you. 20 00:00:45,311 --> 00:00:46,212 Gosh, I don't know. 21 00:00:48,381 --> 00:00:49,649 I've done it for so long 22 00:00:49,649 --> 00:00:51,117 I've kind of forgotten the beginning of it. 23 00:00:51,117 --> 00:00:53,286 I just know that I really love doing it. 24 00:00:53,286 --> 00:00:54,621 It's amazing material. 25 00:00:54,621 --> 00:00:58,458 It's an incredible thing to be able to work with. 26 00:00:58,458 --> 00:01:00,427 >>And you started in metal, right? 27 00:01:00,427 --> 00:01:01,694 You went to school- >>Yeah I did- 28 00:01:01,694 --> 00:01:02,695 >>started in metal- 29 00:01:02,695 --> 00:01:04,330 >>I did metals. 30 00:01:04,330 --> 00:01:06,533 I've done pretty much all different kinds of metals 31 00:01:06,533 --> 00:01:11,538 from machining to casting, forging, jewelry making. 32 00:01:12,405 --> 00:01:15,942 And actually, in hindsight, 33 00:01:15,942 --> 00:01:18,344 I think it was a really good way to start 34 00:01:18,344 --> 00:01:22,849 into this process because it gave me a lot 35 00:01:22,849 --> 00:01:27,120 of information about how temperature affects things 36 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,155 which is so important with this. 37 00:01:29,155 --> 00:01:31,958 And so I kinda had a heads up with it before I got into it. 38 00:01:31,958 --> 00:01:34,060 >>Well, let's talk about your work. 39 00:01:34,060 --> 00:01:37,197 If someone asked you to describe your work, 40 00:01:37,197 --> 00:01:38,598 what would you say? 41 00:01:38,598 --> 00:01:40,767 >>I'm not a big mold-blown person. 42 00:01:40,767 --> 00:01:44,237 I really love the material itself, 43 00:01:44,237 --> 00:01:48,875 so I'm working with it while it's working itself. 44 00:01:48,875 --> 00:01:49,843 (Charles laughing) 45 00:01:49,843 --> 00:01:51,311 I guess it's a way to say it. 46 00:01:51,311 --> 00:01:53,613 And so it's just been a process of learning to let go, 47 00:01:53,613 --> 00:01:55,782 or learning how to get something 48 00:01:55,782 --> 00:01:59,018 to happen without touching it, 49 00:01:59,018 --> 00:02:00,720 letting it do what it wants to do. 50 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,288 >>So how do you do that? 51 00:02:02,288 --> 00:02:04,124 >>It just takes practice. 52 00:02:04,124 --> 00:02:06,493 I wouldn't even know how to describe it. 53 00:02:06,493 --> 00:02:08,561 You wanna touch something, 54 00:02:08,561 --> 00:02:10,663 but if you don't, what happens? 55 00:02:10,663 --> 00:02:12,832 Oh, look at that. 56 00:02:12,832 --> 00:02:14,701 It's a process of discovery. 57 00:02:14,701 --> 00:02:16,569 It's a lovely thing. 58 00:02:16,569 --> 00:02:18,037 >>Let's talk about the process. 59 00:02:18,037 --> 00:02:19,739 Take us through it. 60 00:02:19,739 --> 00:02:22,408 >>This is a furnace which holds the glass. 61 00:02:22,408 --> 00:02:24,711 >>All that wet- >>There's a small tub 62 00:02:24,711 --> 00:02:27,747 in there that holds about 80 pounds of glass. 63 00:02:27,747 --> 00:02:31,151 Glass itself is basically dirt. 64 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:36,156 It's the prettiest dirt on the planet, and it's sand. 65 00:02:37,357 --> 00:02:38,725 what allows me to be able to melt it 66 00:02:38,725 --> 00:02:43,163 is the formulation includes fluxes from metal. 67 00:02:44,264 --> 00:02:45,465 We have to use flux to do welding. 68 00:02:45,465 --> 00:02:47,800 Flux melts at a very low temperature. 69 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,937 When it melts, it turns really acidic 70 00:02:50,937 --> 00:02:52,438 and it eats the silica. 71 00:02:52,438 --> 00:02:54,507 So while you think it's melting sand, 72 00:02:54,507 --> 00:02:57,577 it's really the flux is eating the silica and the solution. 73 00:02:57,577 --> 00:03:00,513 And so it happens at 2,300 degrees, something like that. 74 00:03:01,881 --> 00:03:03,049 Can I say this story now? 75 00:03:03,049 --> 00:03:04,551 >>Yes. >>That temperature 76 00:03:04,551 --> 00:03:06,019 is hot enough to cook a fully frozen jumbo shrimp 77 00:03:06,019 --> 00:03:08,521 in a second and a half but it can't be a straight second 78 00:03:08,521 --> 00:03:10,123 and a half because that would explode it. 79 00:03:10,123 --> 00:03:13,960 And it has to go in, out, in, out, in, out, done. 80 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,261 >>Okay. 81 00:03:15,261 --> 00:03:16,563 >>And we put beef tips in here too. 82 00:03:16,563 --> 00:03:17,564 (Terri laughing) 83 00:03:17,564 --> 00:03:18,831 >>We did. 84 00:03:18,831 --> 00:03:19,532 >>I believe- >>They take like 15 seconds. 85 00:03:19,532 --> 00:03:20,366 They're lovely. 86 00:03:20,366 --> 00:03:21,201 It's meat candy. 87 00:03:21,201 --> 00:03:22,635 It's so good. 88 00:03:22,635 --> 00:03:23,836 >>Okay, so you- >>Gather the glass. 89 00:03:23,836 --> 00:03:25,071 >>Gather the glass. 90 00:03:25,071 --> 00:03:26,573 >>Glass comes out. 91 00:03:26,573 --> 00:03:28,341 Hopefully I've made some sort of decision 92 00:03:28,341 --> 00:03:29,943 in my head before I start working 93 00:03:29,943 --> 00:03:32,845 so I know what it is that at least I'm trying to make. 94 00:03:32,845 --> 00:03:34,113 So my colors will be ready. 95 00:03:34,113 --> 00:03:36,115 I'll have other tools out that I need, 96 00:03:36,115 --> 00:03:38,117 but then I love working with color. 97 00:03:38,117 --> 00:03:41,621 I think glass and color are just fabulous together. 98 00:03:43,089 --> 00:03:46,826 So I color things, and then I'm adding things in places, 99 00:03:46,826 --> 00:03:51,831 but it then is going to move the way it wants to move 100 00:03:52,699 --> 00:03:53,933 because of the things I've put 101 00:03:53,933 --> 00:03:55,301 in the places that I've put them. 102 00:03:55,301 --> 00:03:56,269 >>Because of the balance. 103 00:03:56,269 --> 00:03:57,370 >>Because of the balance, 104 00:03:57,370 --> 00:03:59,806 and because of the extra masses. 105 00:03:59,806 --> 00:04:03,209 Temperature, it causes movement in certain directions, 106 00:04:03,209 --> 00:04:05,979 but I just let it do its movement as much as I can. 107 00:04:05,979 --> 00:04:09,249 I'm not pulling it out or forcing it to do that. 108 00:04:09,249 --> 00:04:13,519 And so I think my work retains a lot of fluidity, 109 00:04:13,519 --> 00:04:15,688 retains a lot of the properties 110 00:04:15,688 --> 00:04:19,392 that the glass has when it's molten, and I really like that. 111 00:04:20,827 --> 00:04:22,629 I've done a lot of ocean work, 112 00:04:22,629 --> 00:04:25,498 and I think my glass lends itself to looking like 113 00:04:25,498 --> 00:04:27,700 it's grown on the bottom of the ocean. 114 00:04:27,700 --> 00:04:32,705 It has a very, very alive feeling. 115 00:04:34,140 --> 00:04:35,575 >>And then you take it out of here and you spin it. 116 00:04:35,575 --> 00:04:37,243 You spin it. 117 00:04:37,243 --> 00:04:38,778 >>You have to keep moving it. 118 00:04:38,778 --> 00:04:42,115 It's liquid properties, so it is affected by gravity. 119 00:04:42,115 --> 00:04:44,651 It's affected by centrifugal force, 120 00:04:44,651 --> 00:04:49,656 so any type of movement like this is going to elongate it. 121 00:04:50,823 --> 00:04:52,859 Any movement that goes like this has a tendency 122 00:04:52,859 --> 00:04:54,394 to throw it out. 123 00:04:54,394 --> 00:04:55,862 Then hold it up and down, 124 00:04:55,862 --> 00:04:58,631 and it's going to try to fold in on itself and fall. 125 00:05:00,066 --> 00:05:03,803 All of those are viable ways to get the glass to move. 126 00:05:05,204 --> 00:05:07,607 And sometimes it's as simple as just stopping turning 127 00:05:07,607 --> 00:05:08,441 and letting it do something. 128 00:05:08,441 --> 00:05:09,275 >>Right, right. 129 00:05:11,844 --> 00:05:13,579 >>Pretty much every movement you do 130 00:05:13,579 --> 00:05:15,281 is going to have some effect on it. 131 00:05:15,281 --> 00:05:16,916 >>The whole time you're working, 132 00:05:16,916 --> 00:05:20,853 you continually put it back into, what do you call that? 133 00:05:20,853 --> 00:05:24,057 >>It's called a glory hole because the minute you pull it 134 00:05:24,057 --> 00:05:26,326 out of the furnace, it's starting to cool. 135 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:31,230 As it cools, it loses its softness, becomes hard, 136 00:05:31,230 --> 00:05:33,966 and if you want to keep working, you'd have to reheat it. 137 00:05:33,966 --> 00:05:35,468 >>So you can experiment, 138 00:05:35,468 --> 00:05:37,270 but you have to be careful because it is very hot. 139 00:05:37,270 --> 00:05:39,639 Like for example, how many times, 140 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:41,574 can you even count how many times you've been burned or- 141 00:05:41,574 --> 00:05:43,476 >>I couldn't even tell you. 142 00:05:43,476 --> 00:05:45,044 >>You still have your eyebrows, I see. 143 00:05:45,044 --> 00:05:46,446 >>Yeah, sometimes. 144 00:05:46,446 --> 00:05:47,980 (Terri laughing) 145 00:05:47,980 --> 00:05:51,284 If you're counting your burns, you might as well not bother. 146 00:05:51,284 --> 00:05:52,118 >>Right. 147 00:05:53,252 --> 00:05:54,187 >>It's gonna happen. 148 00:05:54,187 --> 00:05:55,021 You're gonna get cut. 149 00:05:55,021 --> 00:05:56,089 You're gonna get burned. 150 00:05:57,357 --> 00:05:58,191 I want to be here. 151 00:05:58,191 --> 00:05:59,258 I like doing this stuff. 152 00:06:00,993 --> 00:06:02,795 I've never even considered the time. 153 00:06:04,197 --> 00:06:04,997 I know how long I've done it but it's not like- 154 00:06:04,997 --> 00:06:06,099 >>Yeah, how long? 155 00:06:06,099 --> 00:06:06,933 >>28 years. 156 00:06:06,933 --> 00:06:08,568 >>Yeah, 28 years- 157 00:06:08,568 --> 00:06:12,705 >>I don't say like, oh, 28 years, you know, like poor thing. 158 00:06:12,705 --> 00:06:15,174 >>Let's go back to talking about the creativity of it 159 00:06:15,174 --> 00:06:16,676 and how you put it all together. 160 00:06:16,676 --> 00:06:19,645 So talk about the variety of pieces that you make. 161 00:06:19,645 --> 00:06:22,782 >>Well, it's kind of large. 162 00:06:22,782 --> 00:06:24,584 >>Just rattle off a handful. 163 00:06:24,584 --> 00:06:26,219 So conch shells, vases- 164 00:06:26,219 --> 00:06:29,188 >>Well, vases, bowls, ornaments, all that basic stuff, 165 00:06:29,188 --> 00:06:31,591 but then I started making fish. 166 00:06:32,525 --> 00:06:35,061 I've made coral, trumpets- 167 00:06:35,061 --> 00:06:36,763 (Charles making trumpet sound) 168 00:06:36,763 --> 00:06:37,997 (Charles laughing) 169 00:06:37,997 --> 00:06:39,632 >>Okay, so that sounds difficult. 170 00:06:39,632 --> 00:06:42,435 So just talk about the difficulty, the degree of difficulty. 171 00:06:42,435 --> 00:06:43,903 So you'll make an ornament 172 00:06:43,903 --> 00:06:46,005 which is probably one of the simpler things you make- 173 00:06:46,005 --> 00:06:48,908 >>But still takes a little bit. 174 00:06:50,309 --> 00:06:52,044 I think an ornament, it probably took me four years 175 00:06:52,044 --> 00:06:53,846 to be able to make a good ornament. 176 00:06:55,581 --> 00:06:57,717 This happens a lot, people come into the shop, 177 00:06:57,717 --> 00:06:59,719 they see me work, and they're going, wow, that's so cool, 178 00:06:59,719 --> 00:07:00,987 I want to do this, and then they try it, 179 00:07:00,987 --> 00:07:02,155 and they're like, man, this is hard. 180 00:07:02,155 --> 00:07:02,989 (Terri laughing) 181 00:07:02,989 --> 00:07:04,357 I'm like, yeah, it is. 182 00:07:04,357 --> 00:07:05,992 There have been so many days 183 00:07:05,992 --> 00:07:07,293 where I've walked on broken glass. 184 00:07:07,293 --> 00:07:08,728 You have no idea. 185 00:07:08,728 --> 00:07:10,963 And so many times where I blow something 186 00:07:10,963 --> 00:07:11,898 and it goes (blowing sound), 187 00:07:11,898 --> 00:07:13,533 and it's just something weird. 188 00:07:15,134 --> 00:07:19,439 It's really intentional, and part of that process 189 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:21,274 was learning how not to do things. 190 00:07:21,274 --> 00:07:22,508 >>Right. >>You can be, oh- 191 00:07:22,508 --> 00:07:24,610 You can totally mold something, 192 00:07:24,610 --> 00:07:26,345 but being able to do it free in the air 193 00:07:26,345 --> 00:07:28,247 and letting it do what it wants to do, 194 00:07:29,515 --> 00:07:30,917 it looks better to me, 195 00:07:30,917 --> 00:07:35,922 but learning how to do that, it takes time. 196 00:07:37,557 --> 00:07:40,326 People say, how long did it take you to make that piece? 197 00:07:40,326 --> 00:07:41,661 And I've literally gotten to the point 198 00:07:41,661 --> 00:07:44,764 where I say 28 years (laughing) 199 00:07:44,764 --> 00:07:47,166 because I wouldn't have been able to make it 200 00:07:47,166 --> 00:07:49,502 if I hadn't been doing this work for that long. 201 00:07:53,072 --> 00:07:56,943 >>So you were 2014 State Ambassador of Glass. 202 00:07:56,943 --> 00:07:58,544 Tell us about that. 203 00:07:58,544 --> 00:08:02,715 >>I was chosen by the Artisan Center of Virginia, 204 00:08:02,715 --> 00:08:05,651 and I'm not quite sure what all the responsibilities are, 205 00:08:05,651 --> 00:08:07,119 but the Artisan Center, I've been involved 206 00:08:07,119 --> 00:08:09,822 with them for, I don't know, five, six, seven years, 207 00:08:09,822 --> 00:08:14,827 and they are fighting a good fight for the arts in Virginia 208 00:08:15,561 --> 00:08:16,796 as far as I can tell. 209 00:08:16,796 --> 00:08:18,030 They put together Artisan Trails. 210 00:08:18,030 --> 00:08:18,998 I've been on the Artisan Trail. 211 00:08:18,998 --> 00:08:20,500 I think I saw the sign for it- 212 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:23,569 >>So that's a nice deal though to have that honor. 213 00:08:23,569 --> 00:08:25,638 >>Yeah, I mean I'd put it on a resume. 214 00:08:25,638 --> 00:08:26,706 (laughing) 215 00:08:26,706 --> 00:08:29,208 >>That's good. 216 00:08:29,208 --> 00:08:30,142 >>It's lovely. 217 00:08:30,142 --> 00:08:31,377 >>You're here at McGuffey. 218 00:08:31,377 --> 00:08:32,812 Talk about how long you've been here. 219 00:08:32,812 --> 00:08:36,716 >>I've been in this building for 14 years I think. 220 00:08:36,716 --> 00:08:38,117 >>Here in Charlottesville. 221 00:08:38,117 --> 00:08:40,720 >>14 years. >>And another 14 or 15 222 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:41,921 in New York. 223 00:08:41,921 --> 00:08:43,155 >>In the Finger Lakes, yeah. 224 00:08:43,155 --> 00:08:44,957 >>So talk about some of the galleries. 225 00:08:46,225 --> 00:08:47,627 We have some local spots that you have- 226 00:08:47,627 --> 00:08:49,362 >>I have work in Vivian, 227 00:08:49,362 --> 00:08:53,032 which I've sold to Vivian since I came to town. 228 00:08:53,032 --> 00:08:54,700 >>Wow, on the downtown mall. 229 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:55,968 >>Yeah, and it's sort of like, 230 00:08:55,968 --> 00:08:59,639 it's been a really good symbiotic relationship. 231 00:08:59,639 --> 00:09:00,873 I tell people to go down to her. 232 00:09:00,873 --> 00:09:02,775 She tells people to come up to me. 233 00:09:02,775 --> 00:09:05,678 I've gotten some custom work out of it, 234 00:09:05,678 --> 00:09:09,482 and I get to display work in a great place on the mall. 235 00:09:09,482 --> 00:09:12,184 I sell at a place out in the middle of nowhere 236 00:09:12,184 --> 00:09:13,719 called the Barn Swallow. 237 00:09:13,719 --> 00:09:15,555 >>Oh, that's gone 250. >>I know. 238 00:09:15,555 --> 00:09:17,023 >>That's fabulous. >>They're lovely. 239 00:09:17,023 --> 00:09:17,957 >>That's fabulous. 240 00:09:17,957 --> 00:09:19,525 >>And I sell at the gallery 241 00:09:19,525 --> 00:09:21,260 at Sunspots where I work. 242 00:09:21,260 --> 00:09:22,194 >>Which is in Stanton. 243 00:09:22,194 --> 00:09:23,462 >>Which is in Stanton, 244 00:09:23,462 --> 00:09:26,032 but I used to do shows from Maine to Florida, 245 00:09:26,032 --> 00:09:27,800 Chicago to New Orleans, 246 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,636 and man, I've traveled so many miles and it just, 247 00:09:30,636 --> 00:09:32,905 at some point, it got kind of tiring, 248 00:09:32,905 --> 00:09:35,107 and that's not to say it won't happen again. 249 00:09:35,107 --> 00:09:37,243 It's how I want to push. 250 00:09:37,243 --> 00:09:40,413 And I think a lot of what's been going on 251 00:09:40,413 --> 00:09:41,881 since I stopped doing shows, 252 00:09:41,881 --> 00:09:43,916 it's been a different kind of grounding, 253 00:09:43,916 --> 00:09:46,953 and so it's more like, instead of running out 254 00:09:46,953 --> 00:09:48,487 trying to sell my work everywhere, 255 00:09:48,487 --> 00:09:53,326 I'm just slowly, if it happens, it's gonna happen. 256 00:09:53,326 --> 00:09:56,195 So this is gonna to be green and yellow specs 257 00:09:56,195 --> 00:09:58,331 with a little swirl in it. 258 00:09:58,331 --> 00:10:00,099 >>You do shows here. 259 00:10:00,099 --> 00:10:02,301 McGuffey has an annual open house 260 00:10:02,301 --> 00:10:04,337 every December. >>Yeah, holiday open house. 261 00:10:04,337 --> 00:10:06,072 We've done that ever since we've been in here. 262 00:10:06,072 --> 00:10:09,442 We have an open-door policy for the public. 263 00:10:09,442 --> 00:10:14,413 And I also do benefit work for Second Street Gallery. 264 00:10:14,413 --> 00:10:18,584 I've done benefit work for Piedmont Craft. 265 00:10:20,286 --> 00:10:22,121 I'll do it for anybody that wants to do it. 266 00:10:22,121 --> 00:10:24,390 >>And can people just walk in your studio 267 00:10:24,390 --> 00:10:26,692 when you're here, or should they have an appointment? 268 00:10:28,427 --> 00:10:31,697 >>Now, with the time that I'm spending in Stanton, 269 00:10:31,697 --> 00:10:33,366 I'm going to have a couple of days 270 00:10:33,366 --> 00:10:35,635 that are going to be open to the public, 271 00:10:35,635 --> 00:10:37,670 but generally, it's going to be by appointment, 272 00:10:37,670 --> 00:10:39,805 and it'd probably be people who've already done it. 273 00:10:39,805 --> 00:10:43,042 I get a lot of repeat people. 274 00:10:43,976 --> 00:10:45,511 People love it. 275 00:10:45,511 --> 00:10:48,381 They think it's the coolest thing in the world, and it is. 276 00:10:48,381 --> 00:10:50,416 >>Talk about this passion that you have 277 00:10:50,416 --> 00:10:53,152 for color and for light. 278 00:10:53,152 --> 00:10:56,622 >>It's like everything. (laughing) 279 00:10:56,622 --> 00:10:58,391 Color and light, it's all of it. 280 00:10:59,558 --> 00:11:01,961 You see it in everything you look at. 281 00:11:01,961 --> 00:11:06,132 It's something about the way glass transmits or reflects, 282 00:11:06,132 --> 00:11:08,067 and the distortions that it makes. 283 00:11:10,269 --> 00:11:12,038 I'll make a simple paperweight, 284 00:11:12,038 --> 00:11:14,206 but then I'll grind a lens in it, 285 00:11:14,206 --> 00:11:15,641 and so you can look at this thing 286 00:11:15,641 --> 00:11:17,243 and see this pattern of color, 287 00:11:17,243 --> 00:11:18,878 but then if you look through the lens, 288 00:11:18,878 --> 00:11:21,747 it's a completely different perspective of the same thing, 289 00:11:21,747 --> 00:11:23,416 and you can do that with glass, 290 00:11:23,416 --> 00:11:25,518 and you can't do that with other material. 291 00:11:26,952 --> 00:11:29,255 Metal is beautiful, but you can't see through it. 292 00:11:29,255 --> 00:11:31,290 All it can do is reflect, 293 00:11:31,290 --> 00:11:33,959 so that's all you're gonna get in its light. 294 00:11:33,959 --> 00:11:37,263 Even if you start doing enamel, 295 00:11:37,263 --> 00:11:41,233 you're only going to be able to see it as a reflected light. 296 00:11:41,233 --> 00:11:42,334 And I love enamel work. 297 00:11:42,334 --> 00:11:43,602 I think some of it is gorgeous, 298 00:11:43,602 --> 00:11:47,306 but you don't get what you get with glass. 299 00:11:47,306 --> 00:11:49,442 And the forming of it, 300 00:11:49,442 --> 00:11:53,279 it's 360 degrees to do whatever you want. 301 00:11:54,180 --> 00:11:56,549 It's infinite. 302 00:11:56,549 --> 00:11:58,250 You could make anything. 303 00:11:58,250 --> 00:12:00,252 And some people are afraid of that, 304 00:12:00,252 --> 00:12:03,489 and I just think it's like the most craziest thing ever, 305 00:12:03,489 --> 00:12:04,924 like, oh, wow, you know, 306 00:12:04,924 --> 00:12:06,659 pick up the pliers and pull. 307 00:12:06,659 --> 00:12:11,163 Who knows what you're gonna get? (laughing) 308 00:12:11,163 --> 00:12:13,566 (jazz music)