1 00:00:00,033 --> 00:00:00,833 >>HANK: YOU CAN DRIVE BY 2 00:00:00,833 --> 00:00:02,600 THESE RUINS EVERY DAY AND 3 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:03,166 UNLESS YOU'RE REALLY CURIOUS 4 00:00:03,166 --> 00:00:06,033 YOU'RE NOT GOING TO STOP THE 5 00:00:06,033 --> 00:00:06,933 CAR AND GET OUT AND LOOK AT 6 00:00:06,933 --> 00:00:07,366 IT. 7 00:00:07,366 --> 00:00:08,500 >>KEVIN MACNUTT: THE BOOK IS 8 00:00:08,500 --> 00:00:10,566 TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR THESE 9 00:00:10,566 --> 00:00:12,066 RUINS SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT 10 00:00:12,066 --> 00:00:13,400 THEY'RE THERE AND KNOW THAT 11 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:14,933 THEY'RE WORTH PRESERVING. 12 00:00:14,933 --> 00:00:15,900 TERRI ALLARD: AFTER YEARS OF 13 00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:16,466 STUDYING ABANDONED MILLS, 14 00:00:16,466 --> 00:00:19,533 HOMES, CANALS AND VILLAGES, 15 00:00:19,533 --> 00:00:20,833 OUR GUEST TODAY FULFILLED HIS 16 00:00:20,833 --> 00:00:23,600 LIFE-LONG DESIRE TO PROVIDE A 17 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,966 TESTAMENT TO THE CREATIVITY, 18 00:00:25,966 --> 00:00:27,633 SKILLS, AND CHALLENGES OF 19 00:00:27,633 --> 00:00:28,533 THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE US. 20 00:00:28,533 --> 00:00:29,133 JOIN US AS WE TALK WITH, 21 00:00:29,133 --> 00:00:30,766 CHARLOTTESVILLE ARCHITECT AND 22 00:00:30,766 --> 00:00:34,433 AUTHOR, HENRY “HANK ” BROWNE, 23 00:00:34,433 --> 00:00:36,900 ABOUT HIS BOOK VANISHING 24 00:00:36,900 --> 00:00:38,566 HISTORY, RUINS IN VIRGINIA. 25 00:00:38,566 --> 00:00:40,300 COME ON! 26 00:00:40,300 --> 00:00:41,000 TERRI>>HANK, WHAT IS IT THAT 27 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:41,633 HAS ALWAYS FASCINATED YOU 28 00:00:41,633 --> 00:00:42,700 ABOUT RUINS? 29 00:00:42,700 --> 00:00:43,333 HANK>>I THINK WHEN I WAS A 30 00:00:43,333 --> 00:00:47,766 YOUNG LAD IN CONNECTICUT, WE 31 00:00:47,766 --> 00:00:48,433 USED TO HAVE ICE ON THE MILL 32 00:00:48,433 --> 00:00:50,633 POND. AND ALL OF THE MILLS 33 00:00:50,633 --> 00:00:55,566 HAD BEEN ABANDONED PRIOR TO 34 00:00:55,566 --> 00:00:56,266 WORLD WAR TWO AND AS A KID OF 35 00:00:56,266 --> 00:00:59,800 COURSE ANY OPENING IN A 36 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:00,566 BUILDING WAS JUST A CAVE AND 37 00:01:00,566 --> 00:01:03,900 IT WAS WONDERFUL TO GET 38 00:01:03,900 --> 00:01:04,566 INSIDE AND THEY LEFT ALL OF 39 00:01:04,566 --> 00:01:07,233 THE MACHINERY THERE, THEY 40 00:01:07,233 --> 00:01:11,166 LEFT THE BOBBINS. AND IT WAS 41 00:01:11,166 --> 00:01:11,866 JUST A MAGICAL PLACE SO, THAT 42 00:01:11,866 --> 00:01:12,566 STARTED IT AND THEN OF COURSE 43 00:01:12,566 --> 00:01:13,400 I GREW UP AND THEN THE NEXT 44 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:14,100 THING I KNOW I'M HERE IN 45 00:01:14,100 --> 00:01:16,633 SCHOOL AT THE ARCHITECTURE 46 00:01:16,633 --> 00:01:17,266 SCHOOL AT VIRGINIA AND MY 47 00:01:17,266 --> 00:01:20,866 AUNT WHO LIVES IN SCOTTSVILLE 48 00:01:20,866 --> 00:01:23,100 WOULD ALLOW ME TO BORROW HER 49 00:01:23,100 --> 00:01:27,200 CAR, SHE WAS A VERY BRAVE 50 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,100 WOMAN, SO I WOULD BRAVE — 51 00:01:28,100 --> 00:01:29,300 TAKE THE CAR AND DRIVE ALL 52 00:01:29,300 --> 00:01:35,266 AROUND THE COUNTY AND I WOULD 53 00:01:35,266 --> 00:01:39,100 FIND OLD BUILDINGS, AND OUT 54 00:01:39,100 --> 00:01:39,833 THERE 55 00:01:39,833 --> 00:01:41,233 THERE WOULD BE A TURNOUT SHED 56 00:01:41,233 --> 00:01:41,900 FALLING DOWN OR A RUIN OF AN 57 00:01:41,900 --> 00:01:43,100 OLD HOUSE WHERE SOMEONE WOULD 58 00:01:43,100 --> 00:01:45,000 HAVE LIVED AND RAISED A 59 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,366 FAMILY. 60 00:01:46,366 --> 00:01:47,533 TERRI>>AND AT SOME POINT YOU 61 00:01:47,533 --> 00:01:48,866 RESTORED A MILL, WALKER'S 62 00:01:48,866 --> 00:01:50,100 MILL. TALK ABOUT THAT 63 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:51,866 PROJECT. 64 00:01:51,866 --> 00:01:54,100 HANK>>WALKER'S MILL WAS A 65 00:01:54,100 --> 00:01:55,866 DEAD BUILDING, I WATCHED IT 66 00:01:55,866 --> 00:01:57,466 FOR 50 YEARS FALL DOWN. 67 00:01:57,466 --> 00:01:58,500 TERRI>>AND WHERE WAS IT? 68 00:01:58,500 --> 00:01:59,300 HANK>>IT'S ON THE ROAD 69 00:01:59,300 --> 00:02:00,633 BETWEEN GORDONSVILLE AND 70 00:02:00,633 --> 00:02:01,866 CISMONT, AND THE ONLY THING 71 00:02:01,866 --> 00:02:03,200 THAT SAVED IT WAS THE ROOF 72 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,733 WAS SAFE OVER THE ENTIRE 73 00:02:05,733 --> 00:02:08,300 STRUCTURE. THAT WAS LONG LONG 74 00:02:08,300 --> 00:02:10,533 HOURS OF WONDERFUL TIME FOR 75 00:02:10,533 --> 00:02:11,566 ME. 76 00:02:11,566 --> 00:02:12,233 TERRI>>WHEN WAS IT THAT YOU 77 00:02:12,233 --> 00:02:12,833 DECIDED AFTER ALL THESE YEARS 78 00:02:12,833 --> 00:02:18,133 OF STUDYING RUINS, AND BEING 79 00:02:18,133 --> 00:02:19,066 FASCINATED BY RUINS, WHEN WAS 80 00:02:19,066 --> 00:02:19,733 IT THAT YOU DECIDED THAT YOU 81 00:02:19,733 --> 00:02:20,400 WERE GOING TO PUT THIS BOOK 82 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:21,733 TOGETHER? 83 00:02:21,733 --> 00:02:23,933 HANK>>30 YEARS AGO. AND IT 84 00:02:23,933 --> 00:02:25,900 WAS SOMETHING YOU KNOW THEY 85 00:02:25,900 --> 00:02:26,600 SAY YOU HAVE A BUCKET LIST OR 86 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:27,266 YOU HAVE AN ITCH THAT HAS TO 87 00:02:27,266 --> 00:02:29,200 BE SCRATCHED. I HAD THIS ITCH 88 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,333 THAT I HAD TO SCRATCH. YOU 89 00:02:32,333 --> 00:02:33,266 KNOW I'D BE IN THE MIDDLE OF 90 00:02:33,266 --> 00:02:36,366 NOWHERE IN FLOYD COUNTY 91 00:02:36,366 --> 00:02:40,200 WALKING DOWN A PATH AND THIS 92 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:41,033 WAS BEFORE I MET KEVIN. 93 00:02:41,033 --> 00:02:41,733 TERRI>>YEAH, THE PHOTOGRAPHER 94 00:02:41,733 --> 00:02:42,633 FOR YOUR BOOK. RIGHT. 95 00:02:42,633 --> 00:02:43,533 HANK>>YEAH. EXACTLY. AND SO I 96 00:02:43,533 --> 00:02:44,766 WOULD LOOK AND THERE WOULD 97 00:02:44,766 --> 00:02:45,666 THIS OLD MILL THAT WAS 98 00:02:45,666 --> 00:02:48,200 SITTING THERE GETTING FRAUGHT 99 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,766 AND I WAS JUST ATTRACTED TO 100 00:02:49,766 --> 00:02:52,200 THAT AND KEVIN AND I FORMED 101 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,333 A RELATIONSHIP WHERE WE 102 00:02:54,333 --> 00:02:55,033 REALLY KIND OF BROTHERS UNDER 103 00:02:55,033 --> 00:02:57,066 THE SKIN BECAUSE HE LOVED TO 104 00:02:57,066 --> 00:02:58,366 GO “LOOK AT THAT! LOOK AT 105 00:02:58,366 --> 00:02:59,200 THAT! ”AND I WOULD SAY, “YEAH, 106 00:02:59,200 --> 00:02:59,866 THAT'S OKAY BUT LOOK AT 107 00:02:59,866 --> 00:03:00,966 THAT! ” 108 00:03:00,966 --> 00:03:03,066 TERRI>>OH, THAT'S THE PERFECT 109 00:03:03,066 --> 00:03:05,700 PARTNERSHIP. 110 00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:07,933 HANK>>YEAH, IT WAS GREAT. 111 00:03:07,933 --> 00:03:09,266 >>KEVIN MACNUTT: IT'S LIKE A 112 00:03:09,266 --> 00:03:11,633 CORNUCOPIA OF RUINS. THERE'S 113 00:03:11,633 --> 00:03:12,300 RUINS ALL OVER THE PLACE. IT 114 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:13,766 WAS INTERESTING CAPTURING 115 00:03:13,766 --> 00:03:15,900 THESE PLACES BECAUSE THEY 116 00:03:15,900 --> 00:03:16,733 WEREN'T, IT WASN'T ALWAYS AT 117 00:03:16,733 --> 00:03:17,700 THE MOST IDEAL SHOOTING 118 00:03:17,700 --> 00:03:18,333 TIMES. LIKE WE DID HAVE TO 119 00:03:18,333 --> 00:03:19,466 SHOOT IN THE RAIN QUITE A 120 00:03:19,466 --> 00:03:25,666 BIT. THERE WAS ONE RUIN WHERE 121 00:03:25,666 --> 00:03:26,600 I HAD TO HIKE SEVEN MILES IN 122 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:27,700 TO THE RUIN AND THEN SEVEN 123 00:03:27,700 --> 00:03:28,366 MILES BACK. SO IT WAS LIKE A 124 00:03:28,366 --> 00:03:33,100 FIFTEEN MILE HIKE ROUND HIKE 125 00:03:33,100 --> 00:03:33,666 INTO THE RUINS. I WAS 126 00:03:33,666 --> 00:03:34,333 DEFINITELY TIRED AFTER THAT 127 00:03:34,333 --> 00:03:35,700 ONE. 128 00:03:35,700 --> 00:03:38,500 TERRI>>THERE'S SUCH A VARIETY 129 00:03:38,500 --> 00:03:39,266 IN THIS BOOK. WE'RE STANDING 130 00:03:39,266 --> 00:03:42,066 HERE AT BARBOURSVILLE RUINS, 131 00:03:42,066 --> 00:03:43,133 TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT 132 00:03:43,133 --> 00:03:44,733 THIS. 133 00:03:44,733 --> 00:03:46,033 HANK>>THE THING THAT I LOVE 134 00:03:46,033 --> 00:03:47,200 ABOUT BARBOURSVILLE IS THAT 135 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,433 CAN YOU IMAGINE GOVERNOR 136 00:03:48,433 --> 00:03:49,500 BARBOUR SAYING TO HIS FRIEND 137 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:50,966 THOMAS JEFFERSON, THOMAS, I 138 00:03:50,966 --> 00:03:52,800 THINK I'M GOING TO BUILD A 139 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:53,366 HOUSE IN ORANGE BECAUSE I'M 140 00:03:53,366 --> 00:03:55,566 THE SHERIFF OF ORANGE. AND 141 00:03:55,566 --> 00:03:56,566 THOMAS WOULD SAY THAT'S VERY 142 00:03:56,566 --> 00:03:58,366 FINE, GOVERNOR, AND THIS 143 00:03:58,366 --> 00:03:59,966 WOULD BE FOUR YEARS BEFORE 144 00:03:59,966 --> 00:04:02,266 ANYTHING WAS CLEARED BECAUSE 145 00:04:02,266 --> 00:04:04,566 YOU HAD TO BURN THE WOOD TO 146 00:04:04,566 --> 00:04:07,400 GET THE CHARCOAL TO FIRE THE 147 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,066 BRICK, YOU HAD TO FIND THE 148 00:04:09,066 --> 00:04:11,166 MUD, YOU HAD TO DIG THE MUD, 149 00:04:11,166 --> 00:04:12,166 YOU HAD TO PUT IT IN TO 150 00:04:12,166 --> 00:04:13,400 MOLDS, YOU HAD TO DRY IT 151 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,800 FIRST AND THEN YOU HAD TO 152 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,833 FIRE IT. AND SO THIS IS NOT 153 00:04:17,833 --> 00:04:18,500 AN EASY THING IN THOSE DAYS 154 00:04:18,500 --> 00:04:19,133 TO MAKE A BUILDING OF THIS 155 00:04:19,133 --> 00:04:19,800 SIZE AND STATURE COME OUT OF 156 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,600 THE GROUND. SO FOR THREE OR 157 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:22,366 FOUR YEARS THERE'D BE NOTHING 158 00:04:22,366 --> 00:04:25,100 AROUND HERE EXCEPT WORKMAN. 159 00:04:25,100 --> 00:04:28,266 TERRI>>SO, WHAT HAPPENED? 160 00:04:28,266 --> 00:04:29,433 WHAT HAPPENED? THIS BURNED. . 161 00:04:29,433 --> 00:04:30,733 . 162 00:04:30,733 --> 00:04:31,533 HANK>>OH, 1884, CHRISTMAS 163 00:04:31,533 --> 00:04:33,000 DAY, CAN YOU IMAGINE? THEY 164 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,133 HAD A FIRE. THE FIRE HAS BEEN 165 00:04:34,133 --> 00:04:35,366 SAID TO BE MANY DIFFERENT 166 00:04:35,366 --> 00:04:38,500 THINGS, GENERALLY SPEAKING I 167 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:41,166 GO WITH THE THESIS OF A 168 00:04:41,166 --> 00:04:42,300 CHRISTMAS TREE CAUGHT FIRE. 169 00:04:42,300 --> 00:04:42,966 TERRI>>BECAUSE THEY WERE LIT 170 00:04:42,966 --> 00:04:43,566 WITH REAL CANDLES AT THE 171 00:04:43,566 --> 00:04:44,366 TIME. 172 00:04:44,366 --> 00:04:45,100 HANK>>WITH CANDLES. AND CAN 173 00:04:45,100 --> 00:04:46,866 YOU IMAGINE? THEY ACTUALLY 174 00:04:46,866 --> 00:04:48,500 CARRIED THE TABLES OUTSIDE, 175 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:50,233 ON THE LAWN HERE, AND 176 00:04:50,233 --> 00:04:51,666 CONTINUED THEIR CHRISTMAS. 177 00:04:51,666 --> 00:04:52,933 TERRI>>BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T 178 00:04:52,933 --> 00:04:54,400 PUT THE FIRE OUT. 179 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:55,333 HANK: THAT'S RIGHT, YOU HAD 180 00:04:55,333 --> 00:04:56,966 TO HAVE WATER. 181 00:04:56,966 --> 00:04:59,200 TERRI: AND WHAT'S REALLY 182 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:00,300 GREAT TOO ABOUT THE RUINS 183 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:01,000 HERE IS THAT THEY'RE BEING 184 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,200 PRESERVED. 185 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:02,866 HANK>>YES. THEY'RE BEING 186 00:05:02,866 --> 00:05:06,066 PRESERVED IN THE CORRECT WAY. 187 00:05:06,066 --> 00:05:07,000 TERRI>>AND THAT WOULD BE-- 188 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,033 HANK>>WELL, YOU STAY OFF OF 189 00:05:09,033 --> 00:05:10,266 THE RUINS AS MUCH AS YOU CAN 190 00:05:10,266 --> 00:05:11,666 BECAUSE IT'D BE LIKE AN 191 00:05:11,666 --> 00:05:12,900 ORIENTAL RUG WITH A TRUCK 192 00:05:12,900 --> 00:05:13,600 WALKING OVER IT ALL THE TIME, 193 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:14,900 IT'D BREAK DOWN AND FALL 194 00:05:14,900 --> 00:05:15,633 APART. THE REASON YOU CAN'T 195 00:05:15,633 --> 00:05:16,233 GO INSIDE THESE RUINS IS 196 00:05:16,233 --> 00:05:17,033 BECAUSE YOU'RE STEPPING ON 197 00:05:17,033 --> 00:05:17,733 FABRIC, YOU'RE STEPPING ON 198 00:05:17,733 --> 00:05:18,233 FABRIC. WE CALL IT 199 00:05:18,233 --> 00:05:18,800 ARCHITECTURAL FABRIC. 200 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,300 TERRI: RIGHT. 201 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:21,366 HANK: AND THAT IS VERY 202 00:05:21,366 --> 00:05:22,533 FRAGILE AND IT WOULD BREAK 203 00:05:22,533 --> 00:05:24,800 DOWN AND AFTER A HUNDRED 204 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:25,566 YEARS YOU'D HAVE NOTHING. AND 205 00:05:25,566 --> 00:05:26,800 PEOPLE BELIEVE IT OR NOT WILL 206 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:27,833 GO IN AND PICK UP A BRICK AND 207 00:05:27,833 --> 00:05:30,133 BRING IT HOME TO AUNT JULIE, 208 00:05:30,133 --> 00:05:31,900 THEN AUNT JULIE WOULD USE IT 209 00:05:31,900 --> 00:05:33,366 AS A DOOR STOP, THEN WHEN 210 00:05:33,366 --> 00:05:34,000 AUNT JULIE WOULD DIE, OUT 211 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:34,633 WENT THE BRICK, THE RUINS 212 00:05:34,633 --> 00:05:42,000 JUST BEGIN TO MELT. 213 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:42,633 TERRI>>AND IT'S IMPORTANT. 214 00:05:42,633 --> 00:05:43,333 IT'S IMPORTANT TO RESTORE 215 00:05:43,333 --> 00:05:48,200 THEM BECAUSE THEY TELL US SO 216 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:48,866 MUCH ABOUT OUR HISTORY. TALK 217 00:05:48,866 --> 00:05:49,500 ABOUT THAT ANGLE TOO, WHY 218 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:50,133 THAT'S SO IMPORTANT. 219 00:05:50,133 --> 00:05:50,833 HANK>>LISTEN, YOU KNOW WE CAN 220 00:05:50,833 --> 00:05:53,233 WRITE BOOKS ABOUT THESE 221 00:05:53,233 --> 00:05:55,466 HISTORIC MONUMENTS 222 00:05:55,466 --> 00:05:56,966 WHAT THIS DOES IT ALLOWS 223 00:05:56,966 --> 00:05:58,433 THE PERSON TO UP 224 00:05:58,433 --> 00:06:02,533 AND IMAGINE, JUST AS I DID AS 225 00:06:02,533 --> 00:06:03,433 A LITTLE BOY 226 00:06:03,433 --> 00:06:03,900 THINGS 227 00:06:03,900 --> 00:06:05,400 THAT WENT ON INSIDE THESE 228 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,300 BUILDINGS. AND SO IT'S NOT 229 00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:08,600 JUST READING SOMEONE ELSE'S 230 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:09,366 HISTORY THAT THEY'VE WRITTEN, 231 00:06:09,366 --> 00:06:10,033 YOU'RE WRITING YOUR OWN 232 00:06:10,033 --> 00:06:10,700 HISTORY WHEN YOU SEE A RUIN 233 00:06:10,700 --> 00:06:11,366 AND YOU GO UP TO IT AND YOU 234 00:06:11,366 --> 00:06:14,366 THINK ABOUT IT. 235 00:06:14,366 --> 00:06:15,000 KEVIN MACNUT: WHAT I THINK 236 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,500 ABOUT MOST WHEN I'M WALKING 237 00:06:17,500 --> 00:06:19,200 AROUND THE RUINS IS HOW TO 238 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:19,966 BEST CAPTURE THEM BECAUSE I'M 239 00:06:19,966 --> 00:06:24,533 TRYING TO GET ALL THE ANGLES. 240 00:06:24,533 --> 00:06:27,100 I MAY TAKE 100 SOME PHOTOS TO 241 00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:27,733 GET FIVE THAT WE NEED BUT 242 00:06:27,733 --> 00:06:30,133 THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS MOST 243 00:06:30,133 --> 00:06:30,800 IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS BOOK IS 244 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,166 TO TAKE PEOPLE TO THESE 245 00:06:32,166 --> 00:06:32,833 PLACES WITHOUT THEM ACTUALLY 246 00:06:32,833 --> 00:06:34,666 PHYSICALLY GOING TO THEM. 247 00:06:34,666 --> 00:06:35,366 KEEPING THEM IN THEIR NATURAL 248 00:06:35,366 --> 00:06:38,500 STATE THE BEST WE CAN. 249 00:06:38,500 --> 00:06:39,133 TERRI>> TALK ABOUT SOME OF 250 00:06:39,133 --> 00:06:39,800 THE CANALS IN YOUR BOOK THAT 251 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,066 YOU'VE COVERED. 252 00:06:44,066 --> 00:06:44,733 HANK>>ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT 253 00:06:44,733 --> 00:06:47,400 I LIKE I THINK THAT THE ONE 254 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:48,166 IN THE PATOWMAC BECAUSE IT'S 255 00:06:48,166 --> 00:06:51,066 THE POTOMAC AND GEORGE 256 00:06:51,066 --> 00:06:51,700 WASHINGTON IS ONE OF THOSE 257 00:06:51,700 --> 00:06:54,200 SUBSCRIBERS TO THE FUNDS 258 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:54,800 BEING RAISED TO GET THIS 259 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,533 CANAL AND SO IT INVOLVED THE 260 00:06:58,533 --> 00:06:59,100 BUSINESS COMMUNITY, IT 261 00:06:59,100 --> 00:06:59,933 INVOLVED PEOPLE WHO WERE 262 00:06:59,933 --> 00:07:04,866 WORKING TO BUILD THESE 263 00:07:04,866 --> 00:07:07,900 CANALS. WE HAVE GOOD RUINS BY 264 00:07:07,900 --> 00:07:11,666 DOWN IN PALMYRA. MILL THAT IS 265 00:07:11,666 --> 00:07:12,933 STILL THERE AT THE FOUNDATION 266 00:07:12,933 --> 00:07:14,566 AND PART OF THE OLD CANALS 267 00:07:14,566 --> 00:07:15,433 ARE STILL THERE. 268 00:07:15,433 --> 00:07:16,866 TERRI>>YOU COVER KILNS IN THE 269 00:07:16,866 --> 00:07:17,666 BOOK. 270 00:07:17,666 --> 00:07:19,133 HANK>>YES, DID YOU KNOW, WE 271 00:07:19,133 --> 00:07:19,833 FOUND THROUGH RESEARCH, THERE 272 00:07:19,833 --> 00:07:23,366 ARE ABOUT 179 KILNS IN THE 273 00:07:23,366 --> 00:07:25,366 WESTERN PART OF THE STATE. 274 00:07:25,366 --> 00:07:27,400 THAT'S AN ENORMOUS NUMBER. 275 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:28,700 AND THEY MADE PIG IRON FOR 276 00:07:28,700 --> 00:07:31,700 THE MOST PART. THEY HAD A 277 00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:34,366 FORM THAT LOOKED LIKE A SOW 278 00:07:34,366 --> 00:07:36,366 LAYING ON HER SIDE AND THEN 279 00:07:36,366 --> 00:07:37,866 ALL OF THESE LITTLE PIGLETS 280 00:07:37,866 --> 00:07:39,133 TERRI>>OH, WOW. 281 00:07:39,133 --> 00:07:40,266 HANK>>AND IT WAS A MAJOR 282 00:07:40,266 --> 00:07:42,700 EXPORT FROM THIS COUNTRY TO 283 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:44,000 ENGLAND. 284 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,666 TERRI>>OH, THAT'S JUST REALLY 285 00:07:45,666 --> 00:07:46,733 FASCINATING. WHAT ELSE IS 286 00:07:46,733 --> 00:07:48,566 FASCINATING IS YOU HAVE FULL 287 00:07:48,566 --> 00:07:50,466 VILLAGES THAT ARE RUINS, TALK 288 00:07:50,466 --> 00:07:51,766 ABOUT SOME OF THOSE. 289 00:07:51,766 --> 00:07:54,133 HANK>>WELL, YOU KNOW 290 00:07:54,133 --> 00:07:56,133 MATILDAVILLE IS ON THE GREAT 291 00:07:56,133 --> 00:07:57,766 FALLS IN WASHINGTON, IT'S 292 00:07:57,766 --> 00:07:58,766 MARVELOUS BECAUSE YOU CAN 293 00:07:58,766 --> 00:08:00,300 WALK THROUGH IT. AND THEY 294 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:00,966 TELL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE 295 00:08:00,966 --> 00:08:01,600 TOWN. AND IT'S CALLED 296 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:02,633 MATILDAVILLE BECAUSE THE 297 00:08:02,633 --> 00:08:05,933 ENGINEER WHO WAS WORKING ON 298 00:08:05,933 --> 00:08:08,866 THE CANAL, HIS WIFE WAS NAMED 299 00:08:08,866 --> 00:08:11,200 MATILDA. BUT ONCE THE CANAL 300 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:12,566 NO LONGER FUNCTIONED, IT WAS 301 00:08:12,566 --> 00:08:15,000 ABANDONED, PEOPLE DIDN'T GO 302 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:15,933 BACK AND SO THE WHOLE TOWN 303 00:08:15,933 --> 00:08:17,333 JUST FELL DOWN TO STONES, 304 00:08:17,333 --> 00:08:18,100 THEY'RE STILL THERE, YOU CAN 305 00:08:18,100 --> 00:08:18,800 SEE THEM. AND THEN ONE OF THE 306 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:19,700 OTHER ONE'S IS OVER IN THE 307 00:08:19,700 --> 00:08:23,833 VALLEY WHICH IS A — A LOT OF 308 00:08:23,833 --> 00:08:25,700 THEM COULD BE OLD SPRINGS 309 00:08:25,700 --> 00:08:27,400 OVER THERE IN THE VALLEY THAT 310 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:28,433 ARE NO LONGER IN USE. YOU 311 00:08:28,433 --> 00:08:29,000 HAVE WARM SPRINGS, HOT 312 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,100 SPRINGS AND YOU HAD A SPRING 313 00:08:30,100 --> 00:08:31,333 CALLED SWEET TRUBILIA AND 314 00:08:31,333 --> 00:08:33,733 THEN RED SULPHUR AND BLUE 315 00:08:33,733 --> 00:08:35,966 SULPHUR AND ALL THESE SPRINGS 316 00:08:35,966 --> 00:08:36,600 AND THOSE HAD LITTLE TOWNS 317 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:37,833 THAT SPRUNG UP AROUND THEM 318 00:08:37,833 --> 00:08:38,900 AND THE LITTLE TOWNS WHEN THE 319 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:43,233 SPRINGS WENT THE LITTLE TOWNS 320 00:08:43,233 --> 00:08:46,766 FOLDED BACK INTO THE GROUND. 321 00:08:46,766 --> 00:08:47,000 >> 322 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:47,733 TERRI>>YOU'VE ALSO COVERED 323 00:08:47,733 --> 00:08:48,433 TUNNELS, RAILROAD STATIONS IN 324 00:08:48,433 --> 00:08:48,800 THE BOOK. 325 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:49,466 HANK>>THE RAILROAD STATIONS 326 00:08:49,466 --> 00:08:50,066 ARE SUCH A HEARTBREAKING 327 00:08:50,066 --> 00:08:50,700 THING BECAUSE WE HAVE THEM 328 00:08:50,700 --> 00:08:52,033 AND THEY'RE NOW GOING MUCH 329 00:08:52,033 --> 00:08:53,066 MORE FAST, THEY'RE GOING — 330 00:08:53,066 --> 00:08:58,600 THEY'RE FALLING DOWN AND NO 331 00:08:58,600 --> 00:08:59,266 ONE IS PROTECTING THEM. WE 332 00:08:59,266 --> 00:08:59,966 HAVE THREE OF THEM IN THE 333 00:08:59,966 --> 00:09:00,700 BOOK BUT THEY'RE A WHOLE 334 00:09:00,700 --> 00:09:01,400 SERIES OF THEM THAT WENT FROM 335 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,266 HARRISONBURG DOWN TO ROANOKE. 336 00:09:04,266 --> 00:09:05,666 NOW THE AQUADUCTS IN THE 337 00:09:05,666 --> 00:09:06,866 TUNNELS MUST HAVE BEEN BUILT 338 00:09:06,866 --> 00:09:09,233 BY THE SAME GROUP OF IRISH, 339 00:09:09,233 --> 00:09:11,833 SCOTCH-IRISH AND WELSH 340 00:09:11,833 --> 00:09:13,166 BECAUSE THE JOINING IS ALL 341 00:09:13,166 --> 00:09:15,033 THE SAME, IF YOU GO UP TO THE 342 00:09:15,033 --> 00:09:16,433 JOINTS THEY'RE THE SAME AND 343 00:09:16,433 --> 00:09:19,900 THE CUTTING OF THE ARCHES ARE 344 00:09:19,900 --> 00:09:20,633 ALL THE SAME. SO THERE'S A 345 00:09:20,633 --> 00:09:21,666 WHOLE HISTORY THERE OF PEOPLE 346 00:09:21,666 --> 00:09:22,333 BROUGHT OVER TO THIS COUNTRY 347 00:09:22,333 --> 00:09:27,933 TO DO A SPECIFIC THING AND 348 00:09:27,933 --> 00:09:28,866 THE RAILROADS. 349 00:09:28,866 --> 00:09:29,500 TERRI>>AND A LOT OF SLAVES 350 00:09:29,500 --> 00:09:30,033 BUILT A LOT OF THESE 351 00:09:30,033 --> 00:09:30,800 STRUCTURES. 352 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,533 HANK>>YOU KNOW,SLAVERY IS AN 353 00:09:32,533 --> 00:09:35,600 ISSUE THAT IS FINALLY COMING 354 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:36,300 UP TO THE SURFACE. AND AS YOU 355 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:38,133 SEE THE BRICK ON THIS 356 00:09:38,133 --> 00:09:44,966 BUILDING LOOK HOW UNIFORM 357 00:09:44,966 --> 00:09:45,600 THEY ARE. IF THEY WERE A 358 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:46,233 SIXTEENTH OR AN EIGHTH OFF 359 00:09:46,233 --> 00:09:46,900 THE JOINTS WOULD WANDER ALL 360 00:09:46,900 --> 00:09:47,600 OVER THE WALL. THERE WAS MUCH 361 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:48,200 EXPERTISE ON THE PART OF 362 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,066 SLAVES. 363 00:09:52,066 --> 00:09:52,766 KEVIN MANUTT: THEY TELL WHERE 364 00:09:52,766 --> 00:09:53,466 WE'VE BEEN NOT ONLY AS A 365 00:09:53,466 --> 00:09:56,166 STATE BUT AS A COUNTRY. 366 00:09:56,166 --> 00:09:56,900 THERE'S A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL 367 00:09:56,900 --> 00:10:02,366 HISTORY, A LOT OF FARMING 368 00:10:02,366 --> 00:10:03,066 HISTORY. IT BASICALLY IS SORT 369 00:10:03,066 --> 00:10:03,700 OF A HISTORY OF THE HUMAN 370 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:04,933 CONDITION BOTH AS VIRGINIANS 371 00:10:04,933 --> 00:10:07,466 AND BOTH AS AMERICANS. AND I 372 00:10:07,466 --> 00:10:10,033 THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S 373 00:10:10,033 --> 00:10:10,733 IMPORTANT TO BE PRESERVED AND 374 00:10:10,733 --> 00:10:11,433 THE MAIN GOAL OF THIS BOOK IS 375 00:10:11,433 --> 00:10:12,100 TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR THESE 376 00:10:12,100 --> 00:10:15,733 RUINS. 377 00:10:15,733 --> 00:10:16,866 >>HANK: A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T 378 00:10:16,866 --> 00:10:17,700 KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT 379 00:10:17,700 --> 00:10:18,733 CAME OUT OF THE LEAGUE OF 380 00:10:18,733 --> 00:10:19,666 NATIONS WAS GUIDELINES FOR 381 00:10:19,666 --> 00:10:23,500 RESTORING THE DAMAGE OF WWI. 382 00:10:23,500 --> 00:10:25,266 THEY WERE THEN BROUGHT IN AS 383 00:10:25,266 --> 00:10:26,666 THE BIBLE FOR THE 384 00:10:26,666 --> 00:10:28,300 PRESERVATION OF BUILDINGS FOR 385 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:30,000 THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE 386 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:30,666 WHICH WAS THEN BROUGHT INTO 387 00:10:30,666 --> 00:10:42,033 THE PRESERVATION COMMUNITY. 388 00:10:42,033 --> 00:10:42,633 SO OUR THESIS, OUR LOGIC 389 00:10:42,633 --> 00:10:43,233 COMES FROM THE LEAGUE OF 390 00:10:43,233 --> 00:10:44,000 NATIONS. 391 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:44,600 >>TERRI: MMM. TALK ABOUT 392 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:45,300 MENOKIN. BECAUSE THERE'S 393 00:10:45,300 --> 00:10:49,800 SOMETHING THAT'S A GREAT 394 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:50,533 EXAMPLE OF-- 395 00:10:50,533 --> 00:10:51,400 HANK>> YES, THAT IS JUST A 396 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:52,000 MARVELOUS EXAMPLE OF THE 397 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:52,600 EXTREME THAT IS GOING ON 398 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,266 RIGHT NOW AND THAT IS THE 399 00:10:54,266 --> 00:10:55,400 EPITOME OF IT WHERE THEY'RE 400 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,033 USING GLASS, STRUCTURAL GLASS 401 00:10:57,033 --> 00:10:58,600 TO KEEP THE WEATHER OFF THE 402 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,733 BUILDING FABRIC AND THEY'RE 403 00:11:00,733 --> 00:11:02,933 GOING TAKING EACH STONE AND 404 00:11:02,933 --> 00:11:04,066 MEASURING IT AND PUTTING IT 405 00:11:04,066 --> 00:11:04,700 IN A PILE AND FINDING OUT 406 00:11:04,700 --> 00:11:11,800 WHERE IT GOES BACK IN TO THE 407 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:18,966 BUILDING. AND THAT IS JUST 408 00:11:18,966 --> 00:11:19,633 EXTRAORDINARY. AND THE OTHER 409 00:11:19,633 --> 00:11:20,333 PLACE THAT I KNOW THAT'S 410 00:11:20,333 --> 00:11:21,600 DOING THAT IS THE ACROPOLIS 411 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,766 IN ATHENS WHICH I WAS ABLE TO 412 00:11:24,766 --> 00:11:26,733 BE THERE. 413 00:11:26,733 --> 00:11:28,400 HANK>> SO IF SOMEBODY SAYS 414 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,066 WHAT DID A WINE CELLAR LOOK 415 00:11:30,066 --> 00:11:33,166 LIKE? I WAS AT MENOKIN AND I 416 00:11:33,166 --> 00:11:35,633 WALKED IN THAT WINE CELLAR. 417 00:11:35,633 --> 00:11:36,233 TERRI>>SO TELL US ABOUT 418 00:11:36,233 --> 00:11:37,233 MERRIE MILL, RIGHT DOWN THE 419 00:11:37,233 --> 00:11:39,000 ROAD IN CISMONT. 420 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,233 HANK>>WELL, IT WAS BUILT BY 421 00:11:40,233 --> 00:11:43,000 COLONEL THOMAS WALKER'S SON, 422 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,966 SAME SORT OF STRUCTURE, SAME 423 00:11:44,966 --> 00:11:47,200 SORT OF BEAMS AND 424 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,166 CONFIGURATION. 425 00:11:48,166 --> 00:11:49,433 TERRI: AS WALKER'S MILL 426 00:11:49,433 --> 00:11:51,900 HANK: AS WALKER'S MILL, AND 427 00:11:51,900 --> 00:11:53,200 STONE FOUNDATION WITH BRICK 428 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,600 ABOVE, WITH WOOD, GORGEOUS 429 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,433 BUILDING. AND I'M SURE 430 00:11:57,433 --> 00:11:58,633 SOMEONE IS GOING TO RESTORE 431 00:11:58,633 --> 00:12:01,033 THAT. IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME 432 00:12:01,033 --> 00:12:02,300 AND EFFORT TO GET INVOLVED IN 433 00:12:02,300 --> 00:12:03,033 SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 434 00:12:03,033 --> 00:12:03,966 TERRI>>HANK, THANK YOU SO 435 00:12:03,966 --> 00:12:05,000 MUCH FOR SPENDING TIME WITH 436 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:05,833 US TODAY, THIS HAS BEEN 437 00:12:05,833 --> 00:12:06,900 REALLY FASCINATING, I 438 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:07,933 APPRECIATE IT. 439 00:12:07,933 --> 00:12:08,666 HANK>>WELL, YOU'VE GIVEN ME 440 00:12:08,666 --> 00:12:10,400 THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS 441 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:11,800 THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN 442 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,200 TRYING TO GET VIRGINIANS AND 443 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,000 THE REST OF THE NATION 444 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,400 INVOLVED IN. THANKS A LOT FOR 445 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,133 HAVING ME.